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Re: Dalai Lama Said Tibet Can Be with China
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2018, 02:40:23 AM »
I agree that the Dalai Lama is fed up with the CTA and just want to get away from Dharamsala and back to Tibet. This would be such good news for the Tibetans who are waiting for the Dalai Lama to come back!

It has been so long and the CTA has done nothing for the reconciliation with China but only creating problems! I really hope the Dalai Lama's wish will manifest swiftly and he can go back to Tibet.

Now, what will the CTA do, when the Dalai Lama goes back? Well, I think it is bye bye time for the CTA because there will be nobody left in India who they can bully. So, all alone, the CTA can just dissolve. Wouldn't that be good news?? No more scandals for the Dalai Lama, at least no more from the CTA...

If I were the Dalai Lama, I would be very fed up as well. The Dalai Lama has expressed his wish to go back to China but the CTA still has not done anything to help to fulfill Dalai Lama's wish. The Dalai Lama was so fed up that he sent Samdhong Rinpoche to go to China secretly to meet with some Chinese officials.

Lobsang Sangay and the CTA are definitely not thinking about reconciling with China. If they do, they would not have traveling around the world to make friends with the free Tibet activists. They should announce to everyone that they are not pursuing the free Tibet movement anymore and they want to go back to China. If China is pleased, he might be allowed to go back before he becomes too old.

If Lobsang Sangay and the CTA really wants to fulfill the Dalai Lama's wish, they should stop visiting other countries and make an announcement that they are not pursuing the free Tibet movement anymore. They should work with India to connect with China. By doing this the CTA can also help to improve the relationship between China and India. This will be more sincere and better than their Thank You India event.

Come to think of it, the only escape for all Tibetans all along from their current situation in India is to go back to Tibet or join India as a citizen. India had made it very easy for Tibetans who are born in India to become an Indian citizen. They can enjoy the benefits offered by the Indian government and there is hope for a better future for them.

Other than that, they can choose to return to Tibet since Tibet is getting better now. China has been investing alot of money into Tibet building infrastructure and developing it. They also spend a lot in giving free learning class for the adults to acquire a skill that is useful for them to earn a living.

The decreasing number of Tibetans from Tibet seeking asylum in India had decreased dramatically and this shows the condition in Tibet is becoming better now. Tibetans should abandon their government who did nothing for them and exploited them for all these years to fight for their future. They treasure the chances well before India or China change their mind.

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Re: Dalai Lama Said Tibet Can Be with China
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2018, 01:51:20 PM »
It is really not up to the Dalai Lama to say if Tibet can be with China. To China, Tibet has always been part of China and they don't need permission to for Tibet to be part of it. It was only the Tibetans who think they were independence before the Chinese came.

I think the Dalai Lama also realises there are fewer Tibetans coming to India. Their community will be getting smaller and smaller. Many have migrated and some have chosen to become the Indian citizens. The younger generation will prefer India to China. There is no point to maintain a Tibetan community. Therefore, going back to Tibet for the Dalai Lama will be a better option.

If China really allows the Tibetans to go back, I don't think the number of returning Tibetans will be a lot. They are more used to life in India than in Tibet. Tibet is very different from 60 years ago, things have changed so much, the older generation might not be able to adapt to the new Tibet.

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Re: Dalai Lama Said Tibet Can Be with China
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2018, 08:26:46 PM »
It is really not up to the Dalai Lama to say if Tibet can be with China. To China, Tibet has always been part of China and they don't need permission to for Tibet to be part of it. It was only the Tibetans who think they were independence before the Chinese came.

I think the Dalai Lama also realises there are fewer Tibetans coming to India. Their community will be getting smaller and smaller. Many have migrated and some have chosen to become the Indian citizens. The younger generation will prefer India to China. There is no point to maintain a Tibetan community. Therefore, going back to Tibet for the Dalai Lama will be a better option.

If China really allows the Tibetans to go back, I don't think the number of returning Tibetans will be a lot. They are more used to life in India than in Tibet. Tibet is very different from 60 years ago, things have changed so much, the older generation might not be able to adapt to the new Tibet.

Tibetans are bound to go back to Tibet one day. It is very difficult for them to be a refugee for 60 years and still no progress in getting their country back. Now that Mr Lobsang Sangay announced that Tibetan cause will continue for another 50 years, Tibetans will be a refugee for a whole century. Where on earth a refugee will remain as the refugee for over 100 of years.

Only the Tibetans are able to pull it off because of the generosity of India. India has been and is still very kind to them and that is why they are able to take advantage of them. They do not contribute to anything that India does. They are exempted from tax but still get so much of aids and resources from the government.

Soon India will be fed up the Tibetans taking advantage of them. The Indians are already unhappy with them being in their country because they are creating problems for India to have a good relationship with China. Indians will certainly not let Tibetans jeopardise their future with China and they might even consider to kick them out of the country to protect the future of its 1.3 billion citizens.

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Re: Dalai Lama Said Tibet Can Be with China
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2018, 12:54:50 PM »
I have a Tibetan friend who was born and grew up in India. I have asked her before what she feels about the free Tibet movement? If she will go back to Tibet with the Dalai Lama?

She told me the free Tibet movement and going back to Tibet is a dream of her grandparents' generation. Even though her parents were also from Tibet, but they feel more home in India than in Tibet. They will go back to Tibet to visit but definitely not going back to settle down for good.

She said the mentality of the Tibetans are very different from theirs because of their upbringing. After all, they are brought up in a different system. She said not doubt Tibet is very different now but she sees India as her home. She does not believe in the free Tibet movement, she thinks this is used by the western power to fight with China and her leadership is useless.

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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2019, 04:25:25 AM »
To be honest, I think it is better for the Tibetans to go back to China. At least the Chinese government doesn't impose a ban on a belief like the CTA. They actually give more religious freedom to their people than the CTA!

To the Chinese government as long as the religious practice does not go against the values and the rules of the country, they are fine with it. The most important thing is the faith that is practiced cannot create disharmony and affect the stability of the society. The religion should encourage harmony and loyalty to the country, which is normal even in other countries.

The Chinese government disallows the photo of the Dalai Lama to be displayed or items related to the Dalai Lama in China because he has created a lot of problems for China. His Free Tibet movement has caused disharmony and tension in the Tibetan area in China. It is the negative influence from the Dalai Lama that the Chinese government is trying to avoid, not so much of religious freedom or human rights issue.

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Re: Dalai Lama Said Tibet Can Be with China
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2019, 06:13:23 PM »
It is about that for Tibetans to go back to Tibet under China. There is no use for them to resists and there will only be a better life waiting for them in Tibet. After 60 years of being in Tibetan settlement in India, there is obviously no chance or whatever in the for them to get back Tibet's independence. They will have to live with the fact that Tibet is under China now.

However, it is also His Holiness's wish to have Umaylam. Since Rangzen is not possible anymore, Umaylam is the best next thing that they can achieve. It is very important for Tibetans to return to Tibet because it is their home and only there that their identity of being a Tibetan can be preserved.

They integrate into India or a foreign country, it will be very hard for them to maintain their identity being a Tibetan. Other than that,  being with China will prevent the Tibetans from being further exploited by the Tibetan government when His Holiness is not around to protect anymore.

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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2019, 03:55:01 AM »
I just find it strange that the Dalai Lama should say that Tibet can be with China when it is already part of China for the past 60 years. It is not his permission to give anymore. Is it only to appease the Tibetans who are still defiant of Chinese rule? Or just to look good for China to allow him back home? There are many Tibetans who had returned home and is living in prosperity now. Those who are still in the refugee camps live in squalid conditions without any hope to pay for their change of status. Heavy payment for believing and trusting in the Tibetan Leaders. CTA had never cared for them as they are not Tibetan identity card holder but holders of foreign countries' passports. Sikyong Lobsang Sangay is American with an American passport taking American money and doing American dirty work of antagonizing China so those who wish to return home will never be able to do so.

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Re: Dalai Lama Said Tibet Can Be with China
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2019, 07:02:19 AM »
I just find it strange that the Dalai Lama should say that Tibet can be with China when it is already part of China for the past 60 years. It is not his permission to give anymore. Is it only to appease the Tibetans who are still defiant of Chinese rule? Or just to look good for China to allow him back home? There are many Tibetans who had returned home and is living in prosperity now. Those who are still in the refugee camps live in squalid conditions without any hope to pay for their change of status. Heavy payment for believing and trusting in the Tibetan Leaders. CTA had never cared for them as they are not Tibetan identity card holder but holders of foreign countries' passports. Sikyong Lobsang Sangay is American with an American passport taking American money and doing American dirty work of antagonizing China so those who wish to return home will never be able to do so.

You are right to say that Tibet does not belong to the CTA or the Dalai Lama. Tibet has been part of China for the past 60 years and looks like it will remain the same. Tibet will never be independent. Tibetans have to accept the fact that they can be an autonomous region but they can never be an independent state.

Under the ruling to China, the life of the Tibetans have improved tremendously, they are no longer backward. Many nomads have a more stable life now as they are more exposed to the outside world. Many Tibetans are not as naive as before, they have the opportunities to receive education and improve their lives if they work hard.

The CTA on the other hands has not made any positive change in the Tibetans' life. After 60 years they are still refugees, they still don't have an identity. But most of the people in the CTA even though claim to be fighting for Tibet cause but all of them have a passport of another country. They let the normal Tibetans suffer while they have big plans for themselves.

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Re: Dalai Lama Said Tibet Can Be with China
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2019, 05:42:11 PM »
I just find it strange that the Dalai Lama should say that Tibet can be with China when it is already part of China for the past 60 years. It is not his permission to give anymore. Is it only to appease the Tibetans who are still defiant of Chinese rule? Or just to look good for China to allow him back home? There are many Tibetans who had returned home and is living in prosperity now. Those who are still in the refugee camps live in squalid conditions without any hope to pay for their change of status. Heavy payment for believing and trusting in the Tibetan Leaders. CTA had never cared for them as they are not Tibetan identity card holder but holders of foreign countries' passports. Sikyong Lobsang Sangay is American with an American passport taking American money and doing American dirty work of antagonizing China so those who wish to return home will never be able to do so.

You are right to say that Tibet does not belong to the CTA or the Dalai Lama. Tibet has been part of China for the past 60 years and looks like it will remain the same. Tibet will never be independent. Tibetans have to accept the fact that they can be an autonomous region but they can never be an independent state.

Under the ruling to China, the life of the Tibetans have improved tremendously, they are no longer backward. Many nomads have a more stable life now as they are more exposed to the outside world. Many Tibetans are not as naive as before, they have the opportunities to receive education and improve their lives if they work hard.

The CTA on the other hands has not made any positive change in the Tibetans' life. After 60 years they are still refugees, they still don't have an identity. But most of the people in the CTA even though claim to be fighting for Tibet cause but all of them have a passport of another country. They let the normal Tibetans suffer while they have big plans for themselves.

Lobsang Sangay had extended the fight for Tibetan cause for another 50 years and it will most probably be the same. An additional 50 years will not make any difference to them because the leadership is still the same because the Tibetan leadership that is fighting for their independence is still the same group of people that were fighting for it for the past 60 years?

If they can't even get progress in 60 years, what makes you think that they can do it in another 50 years? Everyone will be dead in 50 years and the problem will be thrown to another group of young Tibetan leaders to solve. I am sure Lobsang Sangay is thinking about it and that is why he has extended the fight. He is not willing to take the responsibility that the fight is a failure.

This is how sneaky he is. Just like how he is being caught with several sexual assault claims and yet he still shamelessly remained as the president of the Tibetan leadership without making any apology or statement. He just brushed it aside and Tibetans actually let him get away with it.

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Re: Dalai Lama Said Tibet Can Be with China
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2019, 08:55:57 PM »
If they can't even get progress in 60 years, what makes you think that they can do it in another 50 years? Everyone will be dead in 50 years and the problem will be thrown to another group of young Tibetan leaders to solve. I am sure Lobsang Sangay is thinking about it and that is why he has extended the fight. He is not willing to take the responsibility that the fight is a failure.

This is how sneaky he is. Just like how he is being caught with several sexual assault claims and yet he still shamelessly remained as the president of the Tibetan leadership without making any apology or statement. He just brushed it aside and Tibetans actually let him get away with it.

Yup, you are right. Lobsang Sangay is an extremely sneaky person. He deliberately suppresses smart young potentials to run the country so that he can remain in power longer. There are no possible candidates who are smart enough to take over as Sikyong. He is not going to let his ludicrous scam begging to be taken away anytime soon. He is also no longer listening to the Dalai Lama's wishes either. What does he care for the Dalai Lama to return home before he passes when in keeping the Dalai Lama around will generate more funds for Lobsang Sangay's pocket? It is actually also the Tibetan refugees' fault as they had allowed this to happen. If they were to unite and not accept wrongness, then they could have gotten a better candidate for leadership. Blind followers.

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Re: Dalai Lama Said Tibet Can Be with China
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2019, 11:01:36 AM »
This is how selfish the CTA is, it is not that the Tibetans are not bright or capable but the CTA just doesn't want to groom any talent because they don't want to be challenged. They still run their government based on relationship and nepotism, not based on merit. They care about their own interest, they don't think they work for the people, but the people have to kowtow to them.

I guess most of the members in the CTA know that they won't last for too long as there are now fewer Tibetans in the exile community. Many Tibetans have left India to become the citizens of another country. Almost no Tibetan is arriving from China to India. As the number of Tibetans continue to decrease, the money the CTA can get from the west will definitely reduce and very soon they will not be needed anymore.

The main concern for the CTA now is how to make more money, how to divert the money they have to their own pocket before CTA collapses. The donations that are supposed to be used to improve the lives of the Tibetans are never used for the intended purpose. Some Tibetans still naively think that the CTA is going to free Tibet and bring them back to their homeland.

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« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2019, 05:12:27 AM »
This is how selfish the CTA is, it is not that the Tibetans are not bright or capable but the CTA just doesn't want to groom any talent because they don't want to be challenged. They still run their government based on relationship and nepotism, not based on merit. They care about their own interest, they don't think they work for the people, but the people have to kowtow to them.

I guess most of the members in the CTA know that they won't last for too long as there are now fewer Tibetans in the exile community. Many Tibetans have left India to become the citizens of another country. Almost no Tibetan is arriving from China to India. As the number of Tibetans continue to decrease, the money the CTA can get from the west will definitely reduce and very soon they will not be needed anymore.

The main concern for the CTA now is how to make more money, how to divert the money they have to their own pocket before CTA collapses. The donations that are supposed to be used to improve the lives of the Tibetans are never used for the intended purpose. Some Tibetans still naively think that the CTA is going to free Tibet and bring them back to their homeland.

Everyone, including the Tibetans know that the Central Tibetan Administration is not fulfilling what His Holiness the Dalai Lama wants them to do - to take care of the welfare of the Tibetans. Imagine when His Holiness passes, who will take care of the Tibetans in exile? The supposed successor, the Karmapa has ran away, and Lobsang Sangay? No way  8) Even the supposed candidate for the first female Sikyong in history, Dhardon Sharling has quit and gone to the USA. Better for Tibetans to become Indian citizens, go back to Tibet, or migrate to whichever country they can go to while they still can.

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Re: Dalai Lama Said Tibet Can Be with China
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2019, 11:09:28 AM »
Everyone, including the Tibetans know that the Central Tibetan Administration is not fulfilling what His Holiness the Dalai Lama wants them to do - to take care of the welfare of the Tibetans. Imagine when His Holiness passes, who will take care of the Tibetans in exile? The supposed successor, the Karmapa has ran away, and Lobsang Sangay? No way  8) Even the supposed candidate for the first female Sikyong in history, Dhardon Sharling has quit and gone to the USA. Better for Tibetans to become Indian citizens, go back to Tibet, or migrate to whichever country they can go to while they still can.

The CTA cannot lie anymore, they are just ineffective. After 60 years, the blind can also see the CTA is not capable and they always make empty promises. The CTA doesn't want to take the responsibility that is why they always ask Nechung for advice. After asking for advice, they just sit there and not doing anything.

The CTA is not going to succeed because Nechung always gives the wrong prophecy and the CTA is too busy begging for free money. Well, the main reason the CTA is not working hard for the Tibet cause is that they want to continue to get free money from the west using the cause. Life has been too easy for the CTA, they will not want to change anything.

More Tibetans have realised how deceiving and hypocritical the CTA is, some of them speak up, some of them choose to leave the Tibetan community. The number of Tibetans in India has reduced a lot, a statistic that the CTA is very reluctant to release. Tibetans arriving in India from Tibet is close to zero by now. This is a very clear indication the CTA is losing support from its own people. It is probably time for the CTA to say goodbye!

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Re: Dalai Lama Said Tibet Can Be with China
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2019, 10:54:30 AM »

The CTA cannot lie anymore, they are just ineffective. After 60 years, the blind can also see the CTA is not capable and they always make empty promises. The CTA doesn't want to take the responsibility that is why they always ask Nechung for advice. After asking for advice, they just sit there and not doing anything.

The CTA is not going to succeed because Nechung always gives the wrong prophecy and the CTA is too busy begging for free money. Well, the main reason the CTA is not working hard for the Tibet cause is that they want to continue to get free money from the west using the cause. Life has been too easy for the CTA, they will not want to change anything.

More Tibetans have realised how deceiving and hypocritical the CTA is, some of them speak up, some of them choose to leave the Tibetan community. The number of Tibetans in India has reduced a lot, a statistic that the CTA is very reluctant to release. Tibetans arriving in India from Tibet is close to zero by now. This is a very clear indication the CTA is losing support from its own people. It is probably time for the CTA to say goodbye!

You sure hit it on the nail. The Tibetan Leaders are just too cowardly to be responsible for the decisions made and use Nechung as an excuse to carry out their laws and regulations. Which country on earth does that, relying on deities for decisions? Just like how they illogically ban Dorje Shugden's authentic practice to cover up their failures to promises made, ie. regaining Tibet within 5 years and its now urmmmm many many many years! Incidently, Dorje Shugden arose with Nechung's help, so how could these Leaders rely on Nechung and at the same time suppress Dorje Shugden whom Nechung personally helped to arise to protect Lama Tsongkapa's teachings? Just don't make sense. Either Nechung is right or he is wrong.  ::)


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Re: Dalai Lama Said Tibet Can Be with China
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2019, 03:03:37 PM »
After 60 years, what has China accomplished and what has the CTA achieved? It is actually very obvious, China has progressed so fast for the past 30 years, from a close and poor communist country, they are becoming the most powerful economy in the world. The CTA after 60 years are still struggling with no progress in their Tibet cause, the Tibetans are still refugees, many are still living in poverty. What a big contrast!

Tibet is very developed and prosperous now, it will be wiser to keep it this way. China has done a good job in improving the lives of Tibetans in Tibet, they have brought the poverty rate down tremendously. The CTA, even though is the leader of the Tibetans but they really don't know how to run a country. They are good at begging for money, but they definitely do not know how to develop and grow the economy of a country!

Looking at the experience of the CTA, I really won't want to be ruled by them, they will make my life worse because they really cannot lead. The Tibetans in Tibet and overseas have to wake up and realise the CTA will not be able to give them a better future. They only want money and power. So much donation was given to the CTA but where are the monies? They are not reliable, they are full of lies!