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CTA has been successfully painted an ugly picture of China by using their sneaky ways of hiring paid trolls on Twitter to spread hatred and propaganda against China. They really did a good job in this which make the whole world condemn China for what they did. Due to sympathy, the western countries donated millions and millions to CTA for them to get back their country.

However, 60 years had passed and there is still no result. I wonder if any of those thousands of Rangzen groups and foreign countries that actually donated to CTA find it weird for CTA to produce no result? Will they wonder what happened to the all the donations that they had donated over the years? There is not even a dialogue between CTA and China to talk about getting back Tibet.

Maybe when they start questioning CTA for their failures, CTA will come up with another set of lies and blame it on an unseen being just like how Dorje Shugden is being blamed for their failures. What can possibly be a better plan than that? Just blame it on a formless being and all their problems are solved.

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Tibet under China is hurtling on to be one of the most modern provinces within the Chinese Republic. They have cut down the time to progress for the Tibetans.

Tibetans certainly enjoy better work opportunity, health care, and standards of living, than the feudal times, and there is much more equality too.

Can't wait for the more wealthier Tibetans to start sending their kids to top universities around the world, like how many of the Chinese do now.




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Tibet under China is hurtling on to be one of the most modern provinces within the Chinese Republic. They have cut down the time to progress for the Tibetans.

Tibetans certainly enjoy better work opportunity, health care, and standards of living, than the feudal times, and there is much more equality too.

Can't wait for the more wealthier Tibetans to start sending their kids to top universities around the world, like how many of the Chinese do now.

Lol! By the time their kids grow up, the top Universities could just be in China. Given that China is the world's #1 now, I am sure that they will not leave their Universities to languish in low standard. Beijing University is one of the top around the world. President Xi is quite far sighted I think and his method of building his country's prominence is sustainable into the future generations. So to support that, they will need smart, intelligent students to enter into the various industries to achieve his plans, don't you think?

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Tibet under China is hurtling on to be one of the most modern provinces within the Chinese Republic. They have cut down the time to progress for the Tibetans.

Tibetans certainly enjoy better work opportunity, health care, and standards of living, than the feudal times, and there is much more equality too.

Can't wait for the more wealthier Tibetans to start sending their kids to top universities around the world, like how many of the Chinese do now.

Lol! By the time their kids grow up, the top Universities could just be in China. Given that China is the world's #1 now, I am sure that they will not leave their Universities to languish in low standard. Beijing University is one of the top around the world. President Xi is quite far sighted I think and his method of building his country's prominence is sustainable into the future generations. So to support that, they will need smart, intelligent students to enter into the various industries to achieve his plans, don't you think?

The Tibetans who actually go through the Chinese system of education would probably turn out smarter and quicker than the average kid. This is because I believe the Chinese Schools will train them hard to be the best of the best.

Well if the Tibetans were smart they would just follow and get themselves to be part of China, to show they are so. In this wat they can one day preserve their own culture and language. To deal with China, one must do so skilfully unlike the really "smart" CTA. 

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Tibet under China is hurtling on to be one of the most modern provinces within the Chinese Republic. They have cut down the time to progress for the Tibetans.

Tibetans certainly enjoy better work opportunity, health care, and standards of living, than the feudal times, and there is much more equality too.

Can't wait for the more wealthier Tibetans to start sending their kids to top universities around the world, like how many of the Chinese do now.

Lol! By the time their kids grow up, the top Universities could just be in China. Given that China is the world's #1 now, I am sure that they will not leave their Universities to languish in low standard. Beijing University is one of the top around the world. President Xi is quite far sighted I think and his method of building his country's prominence is sustainable into the future generations. So to support that, they will need smart, intelligent students to enter into the various industries to achieve his plans, don't you think?

The Tibetans who actually go through the Chinese system of education would probably turn out smarter and quicker than the average kid. This is because I believe the Chinese Schools will train them hard to be the best of the best.

Well if the Tibetans were smart they would just follow and get themselves to be part of China, to show they are so. In this wat they can one day preserve their own culture and language. To deal with China, one must do so skilfully unlike the really "smart" CTA. 

Exactly! CTA would have been smart to quickly get into China and then weasel their way into the Parliamentary seats allocated. There they can work their "charm" to get more things for their "people". The way I see it, if they want their country back, conquer from within using the Chinese systems. Ownership is just a title, but freedom of governance is the real ownership of the country. So why not gain the trust of the Chinese government to be able to set your own policies? Look at the Panchen Lama. He has a seat in Parliament and the Government accord him with so much privileges. The Chinese government look to him for advisement. So in giving China face, the Panchen Lama did not lose anything. Even now the Dalai Lama is following the Panchen Lama's way and CTA should too. That is if CTA cared at all for their people.

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Tibet under China is hurtling on to be one of the most modern provinces within the Chinese Republic. They have cut down the time to progress for the Tibetans.

Tibetans certainly enjoy better work opportunity, health care, and standards of living, than the feudal times, and there is much more equality too.

Can't wait for the more wealthier Tibetans to start sending their kids to top universities around the world, like how many of the Chinese do now.

Lol! By the time their kids grow up, the top Universities could just be in China. Given that China is the world's #1 now, I am sure that they will not leave their Universities to languish in low standard. Beijing University is one of the top around the world. President Xi is quite far sighted I think and his method of building his country's prominence is sustainable into the future generations. So to support that, they will need smart, intelligent students to enter into the various industries to achieve his plans, don't you think?

The Tibetans who actually go through the Chinese system of education would probably turn out smarter and quicker than the average kid. This is because I believe the Chinese Schools will train them hard to be the best of the best.

Well if the Tibetans were smart they would just follow and get themselves to be part of China, to show they are so. In this wat they can one day preserve their own culture and language. To deal with China, one must do so skilfully unlike the really "smart" CTA. 

Exactly! CTA would have been smart to quickly get into China and then weasel their way into the Parliamentary seats allocated. There they can work their "charm" to get more things for their "people". The way I see it, if they want their country back, conquer from within using the Chinese systems. Ownership is just a title, but freedom of governance is the real ownership of the country. So why not gain the trust of the Chinese government to be able to set your own policies? Look at the Panchen Lama. He has a seat in Parliament and the Government accord him with so much privileges. The Chinese government look to him for advisement. So in giving China face, the Panchen Lama did not lose anything. Even now the Dalai Lama is following the Panchen Lama's way and CTA should too. That is if CTA cared at all for their people.

Forget about it. CTA wont have the brains to think of something so far ahead of them. All they want is to enjoy now with their free donations while it last. They will not be thinking how to help the Tibetans and how to get them back to Tibet. All they want is to stay status quo and continues to enjoy the free money.

CTA certainly does not want to go back to Tibet because China will certainly not allow them to continue to operate in China's land. When Mr Lobsang announced that Tibet cause will on for another 50 years, it is a clear indication that they just want to extend their easy days.

That is why His Holiness the Dalai Lama must bring the Tibetans back to Tibet before he passes away. CTA will definitely not treat the Tibetans well and will further exploit them for their own game. The Tibetans will suffer more and on top of that, their future will remain a question. Look at Panchen Lama, does he looked like he has been abused? He is doing what a high lama should do which is teachings Dharma and giving initiations.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

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Exactly! CTA would have been smart to quickly get into China and then weasel their way into the Parliamentary seats allocated. There they can work their "charm" to get more things for their "people". The way I see it, if they want their country back, conquer from within using the Chinese systems. Ownership is just a title, but freedom of governance is the real ownership of the country. So why not gain the trust of the Chinese government to be able to set your own policies? Look at the Panchen Lama. He has a seat in Parliament and the Government accord him with so much privileges. The Chinese government look to him for advisement. So in giving China face, the Panchen Lama did not lose anything. Even now the Dalai Lama is following the Panchen Lama's way and CTA should too. That is if CTA cared at all for their people.
CTA cannot charm China after they badmouthed and blamed China for everything that was wrong in the Tibetan exile community and in Tibet. A clear sign is China still has not resumed talk with CTA. Very simple. China is not even interested to talk to CTA, and now talks to India to 'negotiate' the Tibetans in exile situation in India.

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Exactly! CTA would have been smart to quickly get into China and then weasel their way into the Parliamentary seats allocated. There they can work their "charm" to get more things for their "people". The way I see it, if they want their country back, conquer from within using the Chinese systems. Ownership is just a title, but freedom of governance is the real ownership of the country. So why not gain the trust of the Chinese government to be able to set your own policies? Look at the Panchen Lama. He has a seat in Parliament and the Government accord him with so much privileges. The Chinese government look to him for advisement. So in giving China face, the Panchen Lama did not lose anything. Even now the Dalai Lama is following the Panchen Lama's way and CTA should too. That is if CTA cared at all for their people.
CTA cannot charm China after they badmouthed and blamed China for everything that was wrong in the Tibetan exile community and in Tibet. A clear sign is China still has not resumed talk with CTA. Very simple. China is not even interested to talk to CTA, and now talks to India to 'negotiate' the Tibetans in exile situation in India.

This is true. China do not even care to negotiate anything with Tibetan Government in Exile. To them, the CTA is nothing. Whereas the  CTA should now in awareness that, their stay in India in not forever. They should put down their ego and begin to made friend with China before too late. The first thing they should stop is, stop calling Chinese as "China dog" and stop using Dorje Shugden's issues to hurt the Chinese.

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The Tibetans who actually go through the Chinese system of education would probably turn out smarter and quicker than the average kid. This is because I believe the Chinese Schools will train them hard to be the best of the best.

Well if the Tibetans were smart they would just follow and get themselves to be part of China, to show they are so. In this wat they can one day preserve their own culture and language. To deal with China, one must do so skilfully unlike the really "smart" CTA.


There is a big difference between what is assumed/speculative and reality. In the CTA keeping the Tibetan Cause going and asking for world support, the base assumption is that the Tibetan people will have a better life under the Tibetan leadership-in-exile. Historically that is not the case and many have pointed out Tibet's history of slavery and serfdom. In addition, and history aside, the present Tibetan leadership represented by the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) have proven itself incapable of managing 150,000 Tibetans (the figure is closer to 80,000 as many Tibetans have left the Tibetan settlements in India and stopped relying on the CTA) and securing some semblance of a future for them. And this is despite decades of financial aid, grants and all manner of support from the world governments and public. What is to say that the CTA can manage 6 million Tibetans and handle highly sensitive geopolitical issues between neighbouring countries such as India and China and at the same time construct its own financial, legal and administrative infrastructures?

No doubt the CTA faced many limitations as an exile government but the Tibetan diaspora's biggest setback is not its statelessness but its corrupt 'government' and officials. What the CTA has been extremely good at is disseminating anti-China propaganda and playing at the sentiments of the world public. Many people in the world feel that it is unfair for the Tibetan people to have lost their homeland. Much less will consider what might happen to the people should the CTA regain control of Tibetan placing 6 million lives in their hands.

Clearly the Dalai Lama knows that Lobsang Sangay and his people are not up to the task and hence, the Dalai Lama has been heard telling people that the Tibetan people will need to depend on China for their survival.

See video below and read this post: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/dalai-lama-advocates-tibetans-return-to-china-to-capitalize-on-chinas-prosperity/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN7HeHIU-5M&feature=youtu.be

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Exactly! CTA would have been smart to quickly get into China and then weasel their way into the Parliamentary seats allocated. There they can work their "charm" to get more things for their "people". The way I see it, if they want their country back, conquer from within using the Chinese systems. Ownership is just a title, but freedom of governance is the real ownership of the country. So why not gain the trust of the Chinese government to be able to set your own policies? Look at the Panchen Lama. He has a seat in Parliament and the Government accords him with so many privileges. The Chinese government looks to him for advisement. So in giving China face, the Panchen Lama did not lose anything. Even now the Dalai Lama is following the Panchen Lama's way and CTA should too. That is if CTA cared at all for their people.
CTA cannot charm China after they badmouthed and blamed China for everything that was wrong in the Tibetan exile community and in Tibet. A clear sign is China still has not resumed talks with CTA. Very simple. China is not even interested to talk to CTA, and now talks to India to 'negotiate' the Tibetans in exile situation in India.

This is true. China does not even care to negotiate anything with the Tibetan Government in Exile. To them, the CTA is nothing. Whereas the  CTA should now in the awareness that, their stay in India is not forever. They should put down their ego and begin to make friend with China before too late. The first thing they should stop is, stop calling Chinese as "China dog" and stop using Dorje Shugden's issues to hurt the Chinese.

Simply said! CTA has nothing to negotiate with! When you negotiate, you have something on hand that the other party wants. There is simply nothing of value in the eyes of China. Sorry to say, not even the Dalai Lama. It will be advantages but not a necessity. So CTA should really wake up to this fact and look deeper into which way they wish to go. If for themselves, stay as is until the sponsorship money dwindles to none as the world becomes more receptive to China and USA is on protectionism will soon stop sponsorship of their stooge. Smart will be to turn to China in good grace and beg!

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Tibetans in China definitely have a better and brighter future compared to the Tibetans in exile. The Chinese government has given them everything they need to help them grow, for example, educations, jobs, etc.  They are given an equal opportunity, it is up to them if they want to go for it. The Tibetan culture and language are still preserved quite well in China.

The Tibetans in exile are neither here nor there. They are living in a land that doesn't belong to them. They don't have an identity, they are just refugees. Most of them are not living in a very good condition. The younger generation is losing touch with their own culture and language. Many of them can't really speak very good Tibetans.

I would say the Chinese government has done so much more for the Tibetans than the CTA. The welfare of the people is never the priority of the CTA. Even though they receive so much fund for the past 60 years, not much actually goes to the Tibetans or used to improve the quality of life of the Tibetans. That is also why fewer Tibetans are escaping China to come to India.

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The Tibetans who actually go through the Chinese system of education would probably turn out smarter and quicker than the average kid. This is because I believe the Chinese Schools will train them hard to be the best of the best.

Well if the Tibetans were smart they would just follow and get themselves to be part of China, to show they are so. In this wat they can one day preserve their own culture and language. To deal with China, one must do so skilfully unlike the really "smart" CTA.


There is a big difference between what is assumed/speculative and reality. In the CTA keeping the Tibetan Cause going and asking for world support, the base assumption is that the Tibetan people will have a better life under the Tibetan leadership-in-exile. Historically that is not the case and many have pointed out Tibet's history of slavery and serfdom. In addition, and history aside, the present Tibetan leadership represented by the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) have proven itself incapable of managing 150,000 Tibetans (the figure is closer to 80,000 as many Tibetans have left the Tibetan settlements in India and stopped relying on the CTA) and securing some semblance of a future for them. And this is despite decades of financial aid, grants and all manner of support from the world governments and public. What is to say that the CTA can manage 6 million Tibetans and handle highly sensitive geopolitical issues between neighbouring countries such as India and China and at the same time construct its own financial, legal and administrative infrastructures?

No doubt the CTA faced many limitations as an exile government but the Tibetan diaspora's biggest setback is not its statelessness but its corrupt 'government' and officials. What the CTA has been extremely good at is disseminating anti-China propaganda and playing at the sentiments of the world public. Many people in the world feel that it is unfair for the Tibetan people to have lost their homeland. Much less will consider what might happen to the people should the CTA regain control of Tibetan placing 6 million lives in their hands.

Clearly the Dalai Lama knows that Lobsang Sangay and his people are not up to the task and hence, the Dalai Lama has been heard telling people that the Tibetan people will need to depend on China for their survival.

See video below and read this post: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/dalai-lama-advocates-tibetans-return-to-china-to-capitalize-on-chinas-prosperity/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN7HeHIU-5M&feature=youtu.be


The condition of Tibet is much better now with all the investment had done by the Chinese government. The Tibetans who had escaped to  India are missing out alot. Tibetan settlements in India are still backwards, badly organised or no improvement after 60 years. The Tibetans had been carrying the attitude of treating India as a hotel up until now.

They are unwilling to use the money to fix up the place because since they are here for a brief amount of time, they refused to use the money to make the place better. Why make the place so nice since they are there for short-term only.  That is why no development in the Tibetan settlements can be seen. Now that Tibet under China is getting bigger now, they will have started to rethink their decision.

Fewer Tibetans coming over to India now shows that the life in Tibet is not that bad after all. With the rate of China is going, Tibet will become even better than those Tibetan settlements. CTA will need to pray for the Tibetans to remain in India to generate pity fund for them. I hope the Tibetans in Exile will take move on with their lives and no wait for the independence of Tibet to magically happen.