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christine V

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This news reports caught my attention where -
1. The Dalai Lama has stopped demanding independence and wants “genuine autonomy” for people in Tibet and called for the preservation of Tibetan culture.

2. many young Tibetans in India accept that returning to Tibet is becoming a distant dream, there is a growing need to feel more rooted and not to continue living as stateless people.

-- More and more Tibetan in exile realise that they are now stateless, they need a country to live on. Not forever live in exile status. Looking at this, i think the Dorje Shugden issues have to be lifted, as Tibetan now need to be more unite. Not seperate and stayed in the stated of disharmonious. I believe as the young people get more education, the ban of Dorje Shugden will be known as illogical ban.  Besides, if H.H Dalai Lama will to preserve the Tibetan culture, the religion, Dorje Shugden's ban MUST be lifted. Dorje Shugden is the dharma protector which stem from 400 years. Where many high lamas are practicing. If this ban continue, it will only bring chaos.


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As Tibetans in India Opt for Citizenship, Will They Be Less Committed to Tibetan Struggle?
December 14, 2017 5:11 AM, Anjana Pasricha
Source: https://www.voanews.com/a/tibetans-in-india-citizenship-less-committed-to-tibetan-struggle/4163328.html

NEW DELHI — Since taking Indian nationality six months ago, events organizer Lobsang Wangyal is relaxed when he travels abroad. Time-consuming exit permits and extra scrutiny at airports that Tibetan refugees routinely face are a distant memory.

As he wheels in his bags to catch a flight to Bangkok at the New Delhi airport, he recalls the hassle, the time and the money spent trying to get travel documents and answer embarrassing questions at airports.

“Then from the big queue I will be brought on the side for questioning. It feels very strange, not nice, as if I have done something wrong,” he said.

Wangyal petitioned the court and got an Indian passport after the Delhi High Court directed authorities to give citizenship to Tibetans born in India between 1950 and 1987 as per the law. Those born after 1987 must have an Indian parent.

Following the court ruling, some Tibetans, like Wangyal, are opting for Indian nationality.

But this has led to a spirited debate in the approximately 100,000 exile community: Could this weaken the decades-long campaign led by the Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, for more autonomy from China?

India has the world’s largest Tibetan community that has lived as stateless refugees for decades. It has helped keep the international spotlight on the Tibetan struggle and built sympathy for their cause in Western countries.

And despite little progress, it remains a top priority for the community that lives in Tibetan settlements scattered across the country.

“Never we leave free Tibet, free Tibet protest in our mind, in our heart. That our land is there,” said Karten Tsering, head of the Residents Association in a Tibetan settlement in New Delhi.

The Dalai Lama has stopped demanding independence and wants “genuine autonomy” for people in Tibet and called for the preservation of Tibetan culture.

In Tibetan colonies in India, where Tibetan heritage is zealously guarded, monks light lamps at Buddhist temples, Tibetans old and young come to turn the prayer wheel, students are taught the Tibetan language in schools and the Dalai Lama is deeply revered by young and old.

But taking Indian nationality means the refugees, who have registration certificates, must move out of Tibetan settlements, according to Indian government regulations. That has raised concerns that this will loosen their links to their identity and heritage.

Tsering said taking an Indian passport is an individual choice, but personally he does not feel the need for Indian citizenship and found it easy to settle in India.

“In India there is not any bar, not any restriction to do anything what we want,” he said.

But as many young Tibetans in India accept that returning to Tibet is becoming a distant dream, there is a growing need to feel more rooted and not to continue living as stateless people. They want access to bank loans, to government jobs, to travel out of the country freely — rights that citizenship brings.

Wangyal, whose parents fled Tibet as teenagers, said taking Indian nationality does not mean he is betraying the Tibetan struggle. He simply accepts the reality that India is the only home he has ever known.

“My heart says very much I am Tibetan, but at the same time my upbringing has so much Indian influence because I was born in India. So Hindi is my second language. I love rice and daal (lentils) so much, as much as I love momos and thukpa, the noodle soup,” he said.

How to get a passport? It is one of the big debates among younger Tibetans, many of whom say they don’t want to continue living in limbo.

Tenzin Paldon, a 23-year-old undergraduate student at Delhi University, longs to get citizenship, although she is not eligible. She wants to give wings to her dreams, to get exposure to the world, maybe to migrate, but without a passport, “we feel stuck,” she said.

India has been good to the Tibetans, she says. But at the same time it is difficult to get opportunities in an already crowded country.

“If I can go to America, I can do work, I can do a job, I can do anything I want, freedom I guess. It will make our life easier,” she said.

But she agonizes over a decision that some think amounts to giving up on the idea of returning to their homeland.

“Going against him is moral issue inside us, not for all the people,” she said. “I don’t know. Inside us we have this issue going … between my brain and my heart.”



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"Tenzin Paldon, a 23-year-old undergraduate student at Delhi University, longs to get citizenship, although she is not eligible. She wants to give wings to her dreams, to get exposure to the world, maybe to migrate, but without a passport, “we feel stuck,” she said."

This is very poignant. This is why China, in a way, has done more for the Tibetans than the Tibetans themselves. The CTA has obstructed,has created obstacles for the Tibetans to spread their wings. How can the Tibetans excel, the very reason why they Tibet, so that they can have a better life. Instead, they are being held "captive" in settlements in India without the freedom to move about the world. They would have done better to stay in Tibet under Chinese rule. At least, those Tibetans under Chinese rule have the chance to travel, have the chance to excel in their chosen field, to grow. Remember the Tibetan Red Sox? - http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=5942.0

That is why the lamas teach us that we have to have clarity and not be blinded by emotions with its highs and lows.

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Basically, factually under the governance of China, there are news of significant achievements whilst all that is significant in CTA’s leadership is just suppression and segregation of Tibetans. In addition, there are quite a number of positive news about Tibetans improving their standard of living and even prospering but in contrast, Tibetans in exile in Dharamshala under CTA still suffer from poverty and pretty much worse off despite decades of donations and financial aids. Unless of course, those who are part of CTA top management camp who seems to be enjoying a lot of luxuries and privileges. So, can you really blame Tibetans for having such thoughts?

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It is good news that finally Tibetans can make the choice to go back and go on with their life. Being a refugee for so long, many Tibetans have been refugees all their life, it is a dream come true I think. So I hope that it will not be a distant dream but the CTA will give up their restrictions and follow the Dalai Lama's choice. And yes the Dorje Shugden ban needs to be removed for that and Tibetans need to get equality no matter their religion.

With the Dalai Lama wanting to go back, it is finally the start of serious discussions for Umaylam. I am happy for this and hope that good decisions will be taken for the benefit of all Tibetans.

Let's make this come true and not a distant dream - as it is the Dalai Lama's wish.

See this article:
Confirmed: Dalai Lama’s envoy Samdhong Rinpoche visited China
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/confirmed-dalai-lamas-envoy-samdhong-rinpoche-visited-china/

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This CTA is funny, India offer them citizenship, they don't want. They restrict their Tibetans people to take Indian citizenship. China open their door to welcome Tibetans back, they don't want, they ask for autonomy. If I were China, very simple, I will just keep quiet and not doing anything. It's you Tibetan who wants to come back, who wants to have a country, not me. It's you Dalai Lama who wants to come back Tibet, not I want you to come back. I will stay like what it is now, not doing anything, just wait and see whether you can wait longer or I can wait longer? So, who make it a distant dream? They themselves, their very good self claimed government, CTA. 

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When the news first broke about Samdhong Rinpoche’s visit to China, it really felt like there was some positive development towards realising Dalai Lama’s wishes to return to Tibet.

However, as events unfold, it just goes to show how screwed up the situation with the Tibetan leadership truly are. Come on, we are not talking about a minor miscommunication of a complex sequence of events, it is either Samdhong Rinpoche went or not and thus, one of the two who are entrusted by Dalai Lama with leadership is lying to the very people they ought to be serving.

Unless it is the case where there is total lack of communication between the top members of this small exiled government causing such misunderstanding. But this would mean they are so incompetent that they are unable to communicate clearly to their people on such an important matter.
 
Both scenarios don’t reflect well on the top people having authority and influence in the Tibetan leadership. Again, can you really blame Tibetans in India for preparing and resigning themselves to accept that returning to Tibet is becoming a distant dream?

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I believe many Tibetans have accept the fact that it is very hard to go back to Tibet. They would prefer if they could become Indian citizen instead because some of the younger generations were born in India. For those who fled from Tibet to India have been so used to the people and the lifestyle. All they want is a place to call home not stateless.

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Wangyal, whose parents fled Tibet as teenagers, said taking Indian nationality does not mean he is betraying the Tibetan struggle. He simply accepts the reality that India is the only home he has ever known.

“My heart says very much I am Tibetan, but at the same time my upbringing has so much Indian influence because I was born in India. So Hindi is my second language. I love rice and daal (lentils) so much, as much as I love momos and thukpa, the noodle soup,” he said.

How to get a passport? It is one of the big debates among younger Tibetans, many of whom say they don’t want to continue living in limbo.

Tenzin Paldon, a 23-year-old undergraduate student at Delhi University, longs to get citizenship, although she is not eligible. She wants to give wings to her dreams, to get exposure to the world, maybe to migrate, but without a passport, “we feel stuck,” she said.

India has been good to the Tibetans, she says. But at the same time it is difficult to get opportunities in an already crowded country.

“If I can go to America, I can do work, I can do a job, I can do anything I want, freedom I guess. It will make our life easier,” she said.

But she agonizes over a decision that some think amounts to giving up on the idea of returning to their homeland.

“Going against him is moral issue inside us, not for all the people,” she said. “I don’t know. Inside us we have this issue going … between my brain and my heart.”

I feel very sorry for these Tibetan refugees. They have been Guilt tripped to think in this way by the CTA! It is high time they realise the truth! Yes they should adopt Indis as their country and just settle already or if they can afford, go migrate to another country for sure or be prepared to be part of Tibet - China and follow the Dalai Lama.

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After decades of disappointments from the Tibetan leadership and the obvious stalemate, if not deterioration of the situation, one can’t really blame Tibetans for finally being realistic and accepting such harsh reality given the failures of the Tibetan leadership. Particularly considering the latest monumental show of incompetence relating to Samdong Rinpoche’s visit to China. There can only be so much of false hope one can stomach before resigning to such fate. One can only imagine the heart-breaking emotional roller coaster the Tibetans in exile have been subjected to over decades, being strung along with purported glimpses of hope of return to their homeland only to be devastated, not to mention crest-fallen when such hopes are dashed through the failures and incompetence of the Tibetan leadership.

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The CTA made it very difficult for the Tibetans-in-exile who opt to apply for the Indian passport. The reason is simple, the basis of the CTA's struggle will no longer be applicable when all stateless Tibetans all become Indian citizens. The CTA is really a group of ungrateful people for doing this. They never stopped Tibetans to apply the US and Europe citizenships, yet they stopped the Tibetans to apply for the Indian citizenship. By doing so, they are telling the world that they do not think India citizenship is as superior as the US and Europe. If the CTA is grateful, they should encourage the Tibetans to apply for the Indian citizenship and start repaying India's kindness of 58 years. It is getting clearer what the CTA is and how incapable they are.