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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2017, 10:07:35 PM »
Sad to say, but news like this is becoming more commonplace in the Catholic tradition and now youve even got the police doing raids.

Well Buddhisms not that innocent either, but sad to say we probably will never have this level of transparency, not when youve got 'monks' like Peljor who defend alleged sexual abuse :-\ could it be Peljors upbringing that compels him to behave like this? One can only wonder but with that in mind, and if you look at the people he hangs around with, you really have to wonder. Hes with Ringu whose best friends with Sogyal, whose got all sorts of abuse allegations against him. Then theres the business of Kalu and his sexual abuse in the monastery. Seriously, honestly, really what would Kalu think about Peljor defending this business of feeling up the younger monks?

When youve got 'monks' running about the monastery distributing porn or feeling up the younger monks, and other 'monks' on the Internet defending sexual abuse as a cultural thing, you wonder what the future of Buddhism really is.

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Vatican rocked: Police raid drug-fuelled gay orgy at cardinal's apartment
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Vatican police have raided a cardinal's apartment where a drug-fuelled homosexual orgy was taking place.

Police entered an apartment at the former palace of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (or Holy Office) last month not far from the Vatican City.

The occupant of the apartment is alleged to be a priest who serves as a secretary to cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio, the head of the Pontifical Council for Legislative texts and a personal adviser to the Pope.

The allegations of the orgy were first published by newspaper Il Fatto Quotidiano.

According to the paper, neighbours became suspicious before complaining about irregular behaviour of those coming and going at the apartment.

When police showed up at the apartment, they reportedly found drugs and a group of men engaged in sexual activity.

The priest was then arrested and taken for questioning.

Il Fatto Quotidiano suggested that Pope Francis has been infuriated by the news and may force Coccopalmerio into retirement.

The incident is symptomatic of a difficult period for the Pope. Four years into his papacy the Catholic Church appears racked by conflict and scandal.

Critics blame the Pope's choice of personnel: cardinal George Pell, appointed to clean up the Vatican's murky finances, has taken a leave of absence to defend himself against sex abuse charges in Australia.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2017, 08:18:39 PM »
It is such a shame that a monk has nothing else to do than to gossip around instead of holding his vows and bringing it up in the monastery. What does he expect? Why would anyone do this? Is he paid for it or what could be his motive? Sure not protecting the Dharma!

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2017, 11:10:02 PM »
It is such a shame that a monk has nothing else to do than to gossip around instead of holding his vows and bringing it up in the monastery. What does he expect? Why would anyone do this? Is he paid for it or what could be his motive? Sure not protecting the Dharma!

Your kind, referring to him as a 'monk'. I dont think anyone who instigates negative talk against the Dalai Lama, against Buddhism AND defends sexual abuse should be referred to as such.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #33 on: July 07, 2017, 12:42:01 AM »
The wrong image that Peljor consistently giving is real practice is not required, but packaging and schism are in order to become famous and garner followers in the most detrimental and wrong way. He is definitely the mara that the Buddha has predicted before the end of his life on how Buddhism will be destroyed and eventually disappear in the world. He is definitely a direct contributor and an extremely sinful one. It is really necessary for him to disrobe and help himself from generating more and more negative karma in driving people away from real dharma. I mean who would be inspired bu this kind of character?

He is definitely what you said. Anything to become famous. I heard rumours that he is considering to join FPMT after he completed his studies. After all, FPMT is bigger and more famous than his current teacher and centre.

On his facebook he praises His Holiness the Dalai Lama, then on his website he creates doubt in people's mind and faith by questioning why His Holiness the Dalai Lama didn't say anything about Sogyal Rinpoche although "The Dalai Lama and his office know about his long term misconduct". By saying that, he is actually saying that His Holiness the Dalai Lama knows about the misconduct but decided to keep quiet about the matter. Is he implying that His Holiness the Dalai Lama is a person who will keep a blind eye and defend someone who does sexual abuse?

Tell me what's his purpose of continuously bashing Sogyal Rinpoche (calling him Sogyal Lakar!) if not to get more views for his poorly-visited website.

If he really thinks he is doing everyone a favour by exposing these controversial teachers, he should do one on himself! He is such a controversy and a major figure in creating schism among Sangha  8)


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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #34 on: July 07, 2017, 04:36:20 AM »
What kind of monk would defend sexual abuse against children? Let's not even mention it's within the monastery ground. No matter how much one knows about the dharma or how learned they are, sexual abuse is WRONG! No matter it's from spiritual or secular point of view, it is still wrong! Who on earth who defend such violence? Of course, only Peljor. I hope he realises how ignorant he sounds... Choose your friends wisely people, you know you have to stay away from that person when he or she defends for matters like this.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #35 on: July 07, 2017, 08:02:45 AM »
If one goes through Peljor's statements, the answer is no, nowhere is Peljor defending sexual abuse, not even a hint of it. No one could quote a single statement proving it.

On the other hand, the same people claiming that Peljor is defending sexual abuse also try to defend playboy Sogyal misbehavior, and therefore are themselves defending sexual abuse.

The explanation is simple: such people are angry with Peljor, because Peljor (so unfairly, by the way) attacked their Shugden lama, Tsem Tulku Rinpoche, besides attacking playboy Sogyal.

Such people identified with playboy Sogyal, also attacked by Peljor, and therefore try to defend playboy Sogyal. Also, such people want to find fault in just anything Peljor says or does.

This is the weakness of such misguided Shugdenpas. Instead of criticizing Peljor where he is wrong, and because he is wrong, they just want to say bad things about Peljor, even without any evidence.

Even worse, such “Shugdenpas” make dirty politics, trying to find allies with playboy Sogyal, himself a supporter of the evil dalie and of the anti-Shugden ban.

Therefore, this thread is a shame. Peljor, as dirty as he is, nowhere defends sexual abuse, and childish fanboys and fangirls of Tsem Tulku do defend sexual abuse, when they support playboy Sogyal.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2017, 12:03:23 AM »
Peljor, if hr is a good monk and REAL monk who holds vows, should not be setting up website discussing and fanning all the controversies about Buddhism and instigating politics. Peljor should be practicing the Dharma and not become the self-proclaimed "police" of Buddhism, nobody made him one, and he himself as a monk is very bad to make himself become one instead on focusing on his practice and learning. 

Matibhadra, you should not be defending Peljor at all if you really holds him in high regards, a real monk should not be doing all those things that Peljor is doing. The fact that you are defending Peljor shows that you do not understand the true essence of becoming a sangha and hold vows.

You are encouraging Peljor's action of playing politics and not studying and practicing the Dharma. Peljor is a shame of sangha and you are encouraging it, that says a lot about you as well.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2017, 02:29:40 AM »
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Matibhadra, you should not be defending Peljor at all

Of course I should. Peljor, just like anyone else, deserves to be defended when attacked for the wrong reasons.

And those who criticize Peljor for the wrong reasons manage to be even worse than Peljor.

But you are worse than both Peljor and his wrong critics, because you assert that there are people that cannot be defended at all, even when they are unjustly attacked. Therefore, you are no Buddhist at all.

In case, Peljor is criticized from the start of this thread for supposedly “defending sexual abuse”. However, no one has produced even one comma of evidence showing this to be the case.

Rather, just what we see here are complaints like yours, that Peljor attacks lama A or B, but no evidence at all that he “defends sexual abuse”.

What happens is that Peljor (unjustly) attacks Tsem Tulku, as he also (with good reasons) attacks the infamous playboy Sogyal. However, their respective fanboys and fangirls, instead of defending their teachers, resort to cheap slander, ascribing to Peljor what he did not do, to wit, to defend sexual abuse.

Even worse, such fanboys and fangirls even go to the extreme of defending the infamous playboy Sogyal, and therefore incur the very fault they ascribe to Peljor, to wit, to defend sexual abuse.

But you manage to be shamefully even worse than all of them together, because you want people condemned for the wrong reasons, and without the mere possibility of defense, as when you arrogantly belch “Matibhadra, you should not be defending Peljor at all”.

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if you really holds him in high regards,

How I personally hold Peljor is immaterial, because what is at stake are his actions, not his personality.

And, since no evidence has been produced that Peljor defends sexual abuse, who deserves condemnation are only those who unjustly attack him on this basis, including you.

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a real monk should not be doing all those things that Peljor is doing.

Whatever Peljor is doing, he cannot be condemned for that which he is not doing, such as “defending sexual abuse”.

Now, whether a monk or not, the fact remains that you are attacking someone without evidence, and even trying to prevent anyone from defending your victim, which is a measure of your irrationality and fanaticism.

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The fact that you are defending Peljor shows that you do not understand the true essence of becoming a sangha and hold vows.

Which means that, according to your own idiotic version, the “true essence of becoming a Sangha and holding vows” is to slander others without evidence, right? From which guru did you learn it?

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You are encouraging Peljor's action of playing politics and not studying and practicing the Dharma.

Then according to you falsely accusing others without any evidence is an “encouragement to study and practice Dharma”, right?

However, why would you and Tsem Tulku's fanboys and fangirls behave so shamefully?

The only possible answer is your and their dirty wish to make politics, whence the defense of the infamous playboy Sogyal, just because he too was attacked by Peljor, and on the basis of very sound reasons by the way.

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Peljor is a shame of sangha

Maybe, but not for the slanderous accusation of “defending sexual abuse”, and not worse than slanderers like you anyway.

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and you are encouraging it,

Actually I'm not encouraging Peljor to do anything; rather, I'm just encouraging his slanderers such as you not be be even worse than him.

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that says a lot about you as well.

Of course. It says that I'm teaching you what you should have learned from your teachers, if they are worth this name anyway.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2017, 09:53:14 AM »

He is definitely what you said. Anything to become famous. I heard rumours that he is considering to join FPMT after he completed his studies. After all, FPMT is bigger and more famous than his current teacher and centre.

On his facebook he praises His Holiness the Dalai Lama, then on his website he creates doubt in people's mind and faith by questioning why His Holiness the Dalai Lama didn't say anything about Sogyal Rinpoche although "The Dalai Lama and his office know about his long term misconduct". By saying that, he is actually saying that His Holiness the Dalai Lama knows about the misconduct but decided to keep quiet about the matter. Is he implying that His Holiness the Dalai Lama is a person who will keep a blind eye and defend someone who does sexual abuse?

Tell me what's his purpose of continuously bashing Sogyal Rinpoche (calling him Sogyal Lakar!) if not to get more views for his poorly-visited website.

If he really thinks he is doing everyone a favour by exposing these controversial teachers, he should do one on himself! He is such a controversy and a major figure in creating schism among Sangha  8)

Prajna yes that statement he made definitely is insinuating and creating doubts in people's mind that Dalai Lama is at fault for being on Sogyal's side. And yes he is very weird to praise HH the Dalai Lama on one end and then try to create doubt in people's mind with this kind of message. It is not that he can or cannot comment, it is more of his INCONSISTENCY and how he talks about things that make people feel he is creating schism EVEN if what he is highlighting is the TRUTH. Because he as you have pointed out above.

There are skilful ways to do it and from what I learn from other monks, you don't ever engage in such activities (politics/gossip) and have websites dedicated to such activities or news, under your name! From criticising others, he is, in fact, encouraging people to criticise him because he is a monk, more people will observe and question his actions, like it or not. BUT the truth is I have not seen any sangha who is so active online policing other Lamas, Sogyal, Tsem Tulku, whatever.... you must either be a very "free" and have nothing to do, which is strange as a monk, you suppose to be teaching or doing Dharma work? Or you are a fake sangha that likes controversy and politics and being paid to stir s***???

It is not that he has no right to question the Dalai Lama, it is the DOUBLE STANDARDS he is has and how he CONTRADICTS himself. Why does he support the Dalai Lama, and now try to plant negative seeds in people minds? That is the part I am not alright with, that makes me doubt every word he says. And his defence on sexual abuse while condemning Sogyal for sexual abuse? Another contradiction.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2017, 01:19:31 PM »
Whatever transvestite monk Peljor does, the transvestite monk evil dalie (and infamous playboy Sogyal) do much worse.

However, fanboys and fangirls of Tsem Tulku and of infamous playboy Sogyal criticize Peljor, while showing servile subservience to the evil dalie (and to infamous playboy Sogyal), thus showing their own political motivation and ugly double standards.

Those who criticize Peljor but save the face of the evil dalie (and of infamous playboy Sogyal) are nothing but coward politicians, and slanderers trying to divert attention from the evildoings of their own cult leaders.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2017, 04:33:15 PM »
Actually, the title of this thread should be “Infamous playboy Sogyal's minions infiltrated into this website attack Peljor in order to defend their cult leader's sexual abuse”.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2017, 10:40:30 PM »
Actually, the title of this thread should be “Infamous playboy Sogyal's minions infiltrated into this website attack Peljor in order to defend their cult leader's sexual abuse”.

If your not a fan of whats discussed here, move along. Dont recall signing up to this forum being a mandatory exercise!

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2017, 10:52:02 PM »
Peljor, if hr is a good monk and REAL monk who holds vows, should not be setting up website discussing and fanning all the controversies about Buddhism and instigating politics. Peljor should be practicing the Dharma and not become the self-proclaimed "police" of Buddhism, nobody made him one, and he himself as a monk is very bad to make himself become one instead on focusing on his practice and learning. 

Matibhadra, you should not be defending Peljor at all if you really holds him in high regards, a real monk should not be doing all those things that Peljor is doing. The fact that you are defending Peljor shows that you do not understand the true essence of becoming a sangha and hold vows.

You are encouraging Peljor's action of playing politics and not studying and practicing the Dharma. Peljor is a shame of sangha and you are encouraging it, that says a lot about you as well.

Dont bother with Matibhadra, seriously. Hes got some sort of vendetta against Sogyal, involving the fellas name when this threads not even focused on him. If hes so concerned about bloomin Sogyal, then start up a thread and run a discussion about it. Lets see how far that gets you, talking about a lama thats not even from this lineage  ::) yeh so people want to discuss a Gelug 'monk' who initiates conversations that end up exposing Namgyal Monasterys sordid porn-distributing activities which the Dalai Lama does nowt about. Thats our perogative to talk this way and whats wrong?

Peljor starts up websites against Shugden people, runs Facebook groups against them, takes pictures of them and sends it off to his paymasters in Dharamsala, abandons his ordination master and whatnot... all of thats okay, nowt to be said about it BUT once talk starts up against him, Matibhadra comes out guns blazing? Is Matibhadra under Peljors thumb or summit, that he comes to the defence of someone who has made a career out of attacking up?

No, hes an odd fella getting upset when people talk about Peljor and ignoring his insistence we focus on Sogyal when the threads not even about Sogyal! The title of this threads clear enough for all to see. A discussion about Peljors defence of sexual abuse, or at the very least how he contributes to the culture of silence. Well keep talking about it and if people want to join in, its up to them. If they dont, perhaps they should move their discussion and pennies thoughts elsewhere.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #43 on: July 08, 2017, 11:39:46 PM »
You all know what is the saddest thing? We have endless negative things to talk about Peljor, endless perspective we can apply to highlight how bad he is as a monk or even a human being. He has no good qualities and it is difficult for him to has any as long as his focus is to hide behind the robes for selfish reasons.

A person like this shouldn't preach the dharma because the root and basis are rotten and sting. He is all three cups that are mention in HH Pabongkha Rinpoche's "The Liberation in the Palm of Your Hand" - contaminated, leaking, turned upside down. No real dharma has gone into him, if it has, he would not leave NKT in the first place. The selected Dharma that he has chosen to listen to are distorted according to his wrong view. The little dharma selected was in essence lost since he didn't listen with an open mind.

Peljor's behaviour, speech and thoughts are like that of the icchantika. The Buddha mentioned the Nirvana Sutra that the status of the icchantika is lower than that of ants. “One may well kill an ant and earn sin for doing harm, but there is no sin for killing an icchantika.” This is how destructive Peljor is.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2017, 01:56:55 PM »
Peljor, if hr is a good monk and REAL monk who holds vows, should not be setting up website discussing and fanning all the controversies about Buddhism and instigating politics. Peljor should be practicing the Dharma and not become the self-proclaimed "police" of Buddhism, nobody made him one, and he himself as a monk is very bad to make himself become one instead on focusing on his practice and learning. 

Matibhadra, you should not be defending Peljor at all if you really holds him in high regards, a real monk should not be doing all those things that Peljor is doing. The fact that you are defending Peljor shows that you do not understand the true essence of becoming a sangha and hold vows.

You are encouraging Peljor's action of playing politics and not studying and practicing the Dharma. Peljor is a shame of sangha and you are encouraging it, that says a lot about you as well.


Dont bother with Matibhadra, seriously. Hes got some sort of vendetta against Sogyal, involving the fellas name when this threads not even focused on him. If hes so concerned about bloomin Sogyal, then start up a thread and run a discussion about it. Lets see how far that gets you, talking about a lama thats not even from this lineage  ::) yeh so people want to discuss a Gelug 'monk' who initiates conversations that end up exposing Namgyal Monasterys sordid porn-distributing activities which the Dalai Lama does nowt about. Thats our perogative to talk this way and whats wrong?

Peljor starts up websites against Shugden people, runs Facebook groups against them, takes pictures of them and sends it off to his paymasters in Dharamsala, abandons his ordination master and whatnot... all of thats okay, nowt to be said about it BUT once talk starts up against him, Matibhadra comes out guns blazing? Is Matibhadra under Peljors thumb or summit, that he comes to the defence of someone who has made a career out of attacking up?

No, hes an odd fella getting upset when people talk about Peljor and ignoring his insistence we focus on Sogyal when the threads not even about Sogyal! The title of this threads clear enough for all to see. A discussion about Peljors defence of sexual abuse, or at the very least how he contributes to the culture of silence. Well keep talking about it and if people want to join in, its up to them. If they dont, perhaps they should move their discussion and pennies thoughts elsewhere.


Completely AGREE... IGNORE Miti... he has some serious issues about expecting the world to accept his point of view and if they don't, everyone is wrong except him. A double standard calling others double standard? So let us just move along and don't get sucked into giving him the attention he seeks.

Dharma Defender you brought up a good point I forgot that Peljor was taking pictures of Shugden protestors and reporting it back to the CTA whereby next thing we know their name and pictures got published! Here is the article I managed to find that was posted here long time ago... http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/tibetan-leadership-publishes-hit-list/

So this is why I do agree and believe when people say Peljor is definitely paid by CTA/Dalai Lama. So it makes me wonder why he is suddenly trying to create schism and plant doubt in people's mind about Dalai Lama. What did he not get his pay cheque or something? I smell something fishy here.

As for defending sexual abuse, you would only defend such things if you had role to play in it because monks do not condone or try to even slightly give any excuse for such sensitive matters. The fact that he said something makes all the red flags go up!!!