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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2017, 09:40:53 AM »
On one hand Tenzin Peljor says Sogyal Rinpoche is abusing young women, on the other hand when it is in relation to His Holiness the Dalai Lama'a words, he is right up there deflecting and trying to ensure the Dalai Lama's words are cannot be brought to disrepute.

Yes I do think Tenzin Peljor is being very very selective and right up there to defending sexual abuse. 

Hope he will put more effort to practicing the dharma, bringing the dharma to others, rather than selectively attacking groups of people that he finds unacceptable to his ideals and logic. 

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2017, 04:36:32 AM »
I wonder why he left Geshe Kelsang Gyatso's camp. He went out protesting against the Dalai Lama in the early days and now he is following Dalai Lama. Haven't he read or seen enough of Dorje Shugden's solid proof?

oh! One more example of Tenzin Peljor busy contradicting himself. Since the very beginning, he contradicted himself. I guess his main practice is "contradicting oneself".

He contradicted his Dorje Shugden belief and left his old Guru Ven. Geshe Kelsang for H.H. Dalai Lama. Well, a picture paints a thousand words. Let the picture speaks. Interesting to know tho.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2017, 05:25:32 AM »
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On one hand Tenzin Peljor says Sogyal Rinpoche is abusing young women, on the other hand when it is in relation to His Holiness the Dalai Lama'a words, he is right up there deflecting and trying to ensure the Dalai Lama's words are cannot be brought to disrepute.

Some so-called Shugdenpas do the same; they even subserviently call the evil dalie “His Holiness”. Such “Shugdenpas” are not better than Peljor.

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Hope he will put more effort to practicing the dharma, bringing the dharma to others, rather than selectively attacking groups of people that he finds unacceptable to his ideals and logic.

He would simply be fired and replaced by someone else. He's just a Soros agent.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2017, 09:21:59 AM »
I wonder why he left Geshe Kelsang Gyatso's camp. He went out protesting against the Dalai Lama in the early days and now he is following Dalai Lama. Haven't he read or seen enough of Dorje Shugden's solid proof?

oh! One more example of Tenzin Peljor busy contradicting himself. Since the very beginning, he contradicted himself. I guess his main practice is "contradicting oneself".

He contradicted his Dorje Shugden belief and left his old Guru Ven. Geshe Kelsang for H.H. Dalai Lama. Well, a picture paints a thousand words. Let the picture speaks. Interesting to know tho.

Michael Jäkel who tricks people by using a monk name is loyal only to himself and is only driven by what serves him, not the dharma. You see this in all his activities, which focusses on 2 things - (i) how to get seen being with a famous lama and (ii) how to stand out by pulling others down. What he has is a little bit of knowledge but zero practice and so he attracts those similar to him such as Carol McQuire.

Jäkel would have problems fitting in and finding success in the secular world. He would be a total nobody and he knows it. Wearing robes and appearing to be a monk allows him to hide his inadequacies to those who are not aware and gains him instant respect to many who assume that all monks are good.

It is foolish of Jäkel to assume that he can go on hurting so many people and no expect results.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2017, 03:19:34 PM »
I visit Peljor's Facebook page, and I am quite surprise as to what I see. Wearing a maroon robe, but his posting on Facebook is nothing near what a sangha member should be behaving. Is this what sangha members have degenerated these days? Is this how ineffective of Buddha's teachings these days? Why is HH Dalai Lama's so-called students are behaving as such? Is this normal for HH Dalai Lama's students behavior these days?

Should I lose faith in sangha after seeing how Peljor behave?

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2017, 09:41:11 PM »
On one hand Tenzin Peljor says Sogyal Rinpoche is abusing young women, on the other hand when it is in relation to His Holiness the Dalai Lama'a words, he is right up there deflecting and trying to ensure the Dalai Lama's words are cannot be brought to disrepute.

Yes I do think Tenzin Peljor is being very very selective and right up there to defending sexual abuse. 

Hope he will put more effort to practicing the dharma, bringing the dharma to others, rather than selectively attacking groups of people that he finds unacceptable to his ideals and logic.

That is the whole point, Tenzin Peljor is selective and often prefers controversial Dharma to real Dharma. He prefers to talk about controversial teachers rather than genuine Dharma teachers. He only talks about the misconduct of various teachers but never the teachings of real teachers. The only teacher that is close to being genuine that Tenzin Peljor likes is the Dalai Lama and you will not find him discussing the teachings of the Dalai Lama rather, he would talk about the controversial statements the Dalai Lama made. SO, you can  see where his true interests lie and that does not go well with his maroon robes.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2017, 12:06:40 AM »
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That is the whole point, Tenzin Peljor is selective and often prefers controversial Dharma to real Dharma.

Gossip is no “controversial” Dharma; it's no Dharma at all.

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He prefers to talk about controversial teachers rather than genuine Dharma teachers.

Wrong. He talks about perfectly genuine teachers, such as the previous Pabhongka and Trijang Rinpoches, the current Trijang Rinpoche, and Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, and tries to stir controversy about them.

This does not make such genuine teachers “controversial”, specially as opposed to “genuine”. They are not “controversial”, because the controversy around them is just artificially created by their opponents.

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He only talks about the misconduct of various teachers but never the teachings of real teachers. The only teacher that is close to being genuine that Tenzin Peljor likes is the Dalai Lama and you will not find him discussing the teachings of the Dalai Lama

In this Peljor is right. It is difficult, if not impossible, to find any teaching given by the evil dalie. Indeed, everything uttered by the evil dalie is just dirty politics, or tainted by politics, or motivated by politics.

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rather, he would talk about the controversial statements the Dalai Lama made.

This is what some of us do here as well; therefore it would hypocritical to criticize Peljor on this basis.

Now, of course, Peljor tries to defend the evil dalie's controversial statements, because both Peljor and the evil dalie are merely salariated agents of Western anti-China propaganda, which is obviously a difficult point for you to understand.

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SO, you can  see where his true interests lie and that does not go well with his maroon robes.

This is what China says for some 60 years about Peljor's model, the evil dalie, and which you might see as mere “Chinese propaganda”, since according to you, apart from the Shugden issue, everything seems to fine with the unconscionable criminal.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2017, 12:09:16 AM »
[...] everything seems to be fine with the unconscionable criminal.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2017, 02:37:26 AM »
The whole purpose of practising Buddhism is to be more aligned with our thoughts, speech, and action. Wearing the Buddha Shakyamuni robes, a monk or nun is supposed to be vigilant in training himself or herself to exuberate the Buddha teaching more obviously, if not perfectly. Throughout the process, a monk or nun are expected to train themselves even more so that they are aligned with what the robes represent.

People ordain for various reasons and unfortunately, most are for the wrong reasons, such as Tenzin Peljor. His was originally ordained in NKT and then he left NKT and went with a female teacher who was originally from NKT. Talk about the runaway bride who did so solely for selfish reasons. What kind of teacher was his previous teacher who left her own teacher and take the teacher's student with her? They must not learn about Milarepa's story and definitely no idea what 50 verses of Guru Devotion's teachings are about. This is the teaching that is being a must read and must practise in the Gelug tradition which do not recommend teacher hoping which Peljor obviously enjoy for the past decade.

In addition to that, he disrobe and ordain again for few times all for the wrong reasons suspecting he is flippant in his mind whether to settle as a monk for a career and pursue his soap opera (opsh, where is the soap). Having his look and height, it is very difficult to survive in the queen scene which is logical why she, I mean he, chooses to be a monk instead. Peljor has figured out that wearing the monk robes as a drag costume is much more effective for him since it provides free food, free abode, free respect, free everything as long as she pretends to be a goodie he.

I am just so sick and tired of him pretending to be the police when he himself does not follow the rules. It is like a police that command respect with full uniform but receive bribes (receive payment from CTA), sell high profile cases information (spy for CTA), complaining about life and other inspectors (all the content on his blog and FB) for not following the rules. This kind of people is the mara that kills the Buddha's teachings and it is very detrimental for the lineage. I would play the police in return to expose his ugliness in hope that he will stopped all his negativities before he creates more negative karma for qualifying to be a permanent resident in hell.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2017, 02:50:00 AM »
I visit Peljor's Facebook page, and I am quite surprise as to what I see. Wearing a maroon robe, but his posting on Facebook is nothing near what a sangha member should be behaving. Is this what sangha members have degenerated these days? Is this how ineffective of Buddha's teachings these days? Why is HH Dalai Lama's so-called students are behaving as such? Is this normal for HH Dalai Lama's students behavior these days?

Should I lose faith in sangha after seeing how Peljor behave?

Fortunately there are still plenty of good examples but they are dwindling. But I can see how the Buddhas predictions are coming true. Dharma will be destroyed not by external forces, but by internal ones that is the Buddhists themselves. Its already started when youve monks like Peljor running around in robes and instigating backchat and schism in the sangha about how people are watching porn in the Dalai Lamas
monastery just below his window? Just think about it. He posted up a Facebook status and it led to all sorts of chat about how monks are engaging in sexual abuse? Its pretty clear to see that Peljors actions arent guided by the vinaya because they never result in good things, and only bring about problems, destruction, gossip and negative chatter.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2017, 04:32:53 PM »
I wonder why he left Geshe Kelsang Gyatso's camp. He went out protesting against the Dalai Lama in the early days and now he is following Dalai Lama. Haven't he read or seen enough of Dorje Shugden's solid proof?

oh! One more example of Tenzin Peljor busy contradicting himself. Since the very beginning, he contradicted himself. I guess his main practice is "contradicting oneself".

He contradicted his Dorje Shugden belief and left his old Guru Ven. Geshe Kelsang for H.H. Dalai Lama. Well, a picture paints a thousand words. Let the picture speaks. Interesting to know tho.

Michael Jäkel who tricks people by using a monk name is loyal only to himself and is only driven by what serves him, not the dharma. You see this in all his activities, which focusses on 2 things - (i) how to get seen being with a famous lama and (ii) how to stand out by pulling others down. What he has is a little bit of knowledge but zero practice and so he attracts those similar to him such as Carol McQuire.

Jäkel would have problems fitting in and finding success in the secular world. He would be a total nobody and he knows it. Wearing robes and appearing to be a monk allows him to hide his inadequacies to those who are not aware and gains him instant respect to many who assume that all monks are good.

It is foolish of Jäkel to assume that he can go on hurting so many people and no expect results.


Then I supposed he is creating even heavier negative karma for himself for all his wrong doings walking around with a monk robe. Pretending himself to be very holy and claims always to be THE CORRECT ONE. Perhaps that is also the reason why it is easier for him to do all these "nonsense" as people who breaks Guru and Sangha vows but sadly he is bringing the Dharma down and stand to reap all the heavy karma he will reap.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2017, 09:05:54 PM »
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That is the whole point, Tenzin Peljor is selective and often prefers controversial Dharma to real Dharma.

Gossip is no “controversial” Dharma; it's no Dharma at all.

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He prefers to talk about controversial teachers rather than genuine Dharma teachers.

Wrong. He talks about perfectly genuine teachers, such as the previous Pabhongka and Trijang Rinpoches, the current Trijang Rinpoche, and Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, and tries to stir controversy about them.

This does not make such genuine teachers “controversial”, specially as opposed to “genuine”. They are not “controversial”, because the controversy around them is just artificially created by their opponents.

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He only talks about the misconduct of various teachers but never the teachings of real teachers. The only teacher that is close to being genuine that Tenzin Peljor likes is the Dalai Lama and you will not find him discussing the teachings of the Dalai Lama

In this Peljor is right. It is difficult, if not impossible, to find any teaching given by the evil dalie. Indeed, everything uttered by the evil dalie is just dirty politics, or tainted by politics, or motivated by politics.

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rather, he would talk about the controversial statements the Dalai Lama made.

This is what some of us do here as well; therefore it would hypocritical to criticize Peljor on this basis.

Now, of course, Peljor tries to defend the evil dalie's controversial statements, because both Peljor and the evil dalie are merely salariated agents of Western anti-China propaganda, which is obviously a difficult point for you to understand.

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SO, you can  see where his true interests lie and that does not go well with his maroon robes.

This is what China says for some 60 years about Peljor's model, the evil dalie, and which you might see as mere “Chinese propaganda”, since according to you, apart from the Shugden issue, everything seems to fine with the unconscionable criminal.

I think when you split my message like that, you are misconstruing what I am trying to say. The message is simple and it basically echoes the original point of this thread anyway. Peljor revels in controversy all the time and in doing so, he courts trouble as he becomes hypocritical by criticizing a Lama who is clearly endorsed by the Dalai Lama himself. In doing this, he is effectively going against his lama. If you are in Vajrayana, you would understand the implication of this. This has got nothing to do with Shugden but this reveals the hypocritical nature of many anti-shugden proponents. That's all.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2017, 03:39:31 AM »
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I think when you split my message like that, you are misconstruing what I am trying to say.

Since what you tried to say fell apart through analysis, what was “misconstrued” is what you tried to say, not such analysis.

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The message is simple and it basically echoes the original point of this thread anyway.

I don't care. My response was to your post, not to what you imagine to be “the original point of this thread”.

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Peljor revels in controversy all the time and in doing so, he courts trouble as he becomes hypocritical by criticizing a Lama who is clearly endorsed by the Dalai Lama himself.

Peljor is hypocritical here because he defends the evil dalie's silence about playboy Sogyal, not because he denounces playboy Sogyal.

Now, Peljor's denouncing playboy Sogyal while swearing loyalty to the evil dalie is an issue among mafiosi, which hardly concerns Dharma practitioners in general, let alone us here at dorjeshugden.com.

Indeed, showing concern with Peljor's supposed “hypocrisy” in his relationship with the evil dalie merely betrays an indecent wish to compete with Peljor for the evil dalie's favor.

This, unfortunately, is the attitude of many self-styled Shugdenpas, who feel excluded from the evil dalie's court, and would do just anything in order to regain his favor and be cozy with him again.

Therefore, much of the criticism against Peljor is actually motivated by an envy of Peljor's success in ensuring the evil dalie's support, even when ostensibly contradicting the evil dalie.

So the need is felt to criticize Peljor because he attacks an evil dalie's friend, the playboy Sogyal, but not because Peljor hypocritically defends the evil dalie's silence about playboy Sogyal.

Such self-styled Shugdenpas are as corrupt as Peljor, or as the evil dalie, or as any of the evil dalie's protegés such as playboy Sogyal; just corrupt court politicians fighting for the evil dalie's favor.

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In doing this, he is effectively going against his lama.

So what? Now you became the evil dalie's vajrayana police? Are you concerned with Peljor's loyalty towards the evil dalie? Do you want to protect the evil dalie from his treacherous followers?

Genuine Shugdenpas should be concerned with the purity of their own practice, not with court intrigues motivated by the indecent and servile wish to curry political favor with the evil dalie or whoever.

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If you are in Vajrayana, you would understand the implication of this.

I'm not in what you call “vajrayana”, which is just dirty mafia politics.

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This has got nothing to do with Shugden but this reveals the hypocritical nature of many anti-shugden proponents. That's all.

This has everything to do with Shugden, because it reveals that many self-styled Shugdenpas are only concerned with showing vassalage to the evil dalie rather than practicing Dharma.

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2017, 10:12:57 AM »
The wrong image that Peljor consistently giving is real practice is not required, but packaging and schism are in order to become famous and garner followers in the most detrimental and wrong way. He is definitely the mara that the Buddha has predicted before the end of his life on how Buddhism will be destroyed and eventually disappear in the world. He is definitely a direct contributor and an extremely sinful one. It is really necessary for him to disrobe and help himself from generating more and more negative karma in driving people away from real dharma. I mean who would be inspired bu this kind of character?

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Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2017, 03:11:45 PM »
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The wrong image that Peljor consistently giving is real practice is not required, but packaging and schism are in order to become famous and garner followers in the most detrimental and wrong way. He is definitely the mara that the Buddha has predicted before the end of his life on how Buddhism will be destroyed and eventually disappear in the world. He is definitely a direct contributor and an extremely sinful one. It is really necessary for him to disrobe and help himself from generating more and more negative karma in driving people away from real dharma. I mean who would be inspired bu this kind of character?

Right you are Ronwtree, and the fact that FPMT accepts and keeps Peljor as a member in Pomaia just shows how much Lama Zopa's organization became a nest of abomination, and a den of schism-promoting vow-breakers.

Now, one must understand that Peljor (just as the evil dalie) is nothing but an agent of the Abrahamist terrorist financier George Soros infiltrated into Buddhism in order to destroy it (in his case from the inside), as Kalachakra-prophesied mlecchas (Abrahamist barbarians, including Jews, Christians, and Muslims) are hell-bent on.

Indeed, Peljor is known as a Ringu “tulku” protegé, and Ringu is a brazen recipient of Soros money, being an employee of Soros' Shugden-hating Tsadra Foundation.

Besides, from Peljor's website itself (tenzinpeljor.de) one can see that his “Supported Projects” (“Unterstütze Projekte”) include several terrorism-supporting institutions heavily funded by Soros such as Amnesty International and Médecins Sans Frontières.

Médecins Sans Frontières is particularly known for its brazen association with the White Helmets and its support to Islamic State jihadist terrorism and propaganda in Syria, thus reflecting its sponsor George Soros' terrorism sponsorship. Please check here https://timhayward.wordpress.com/2016/12/30/truth-a-casualty-neglected-by-medicins-sans-frontieres-msf-in-syria/.

Amnesty International is another well known supporter of Islamic terrorism and tyrannies, as one can see here https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9342/amnesty-international-tyrannies or here https://www.rt.com/uk/312630-amnesty-international-muslim-brotherhood/, everything perfectly in line with its sponsor George Soros terrorism-supporting policies.

Other among Peljor-supported “projects” include his mentor's Ringu's charity Rigul Trust, Ringu known, as above, as a Soros' employee via Shugden-hating Tsadra Foundation.

Another of Peljor's supported projects is the network or anti-China hate propaganda tibetinfonet.net, itself supported by Columbia University (https://hrwa.cul.columbia.edu/search/7038458), itself funded by the puppet master George Soros (http://sorosfiles.com/soros/2011/10/the-trustees-of-columbia-university.html).

Again another among Peljor's “supported projects” is the racist The Tibetan Development Fund which in the ocean of poverty which is India proposes to bring selective “relief” (and Western money and anti-China indoctrination) only to Tibetans in India, ultimately aiming at fulfilling the evil dalie's wet dream of using ethnic Tibetans living in Himalaya regions outside China to create a “Himalayan anti-China army” under his leadership.

In other words, Peljor's systemic connections show that he is not acting alone; that he is a mere pawn with big money behind him; that he is just a professional agitator hired by Abrahamic big money, as represented by George Soros, in order to bring chaos and dissension among Buddhists, and therefore, as you say, to destroy Buddhism from the inside.

Indeed, why would Peljor, seen as a “Gelugpa monk” attack playboy Sogyal, seen as a “Nyingma lama” and an evil dalie's protegé, if not in order to create even more animosity between Nyingmapas and Gelugpas?

Let's listen to the words of the Hungarian patriotic leader Viktor Orbán, himself a valiant fighter against Soros' terrorism-supporting NGOs: “here is an important element in public life in Hungary which is not transparent and not open — and that is the Soros network, with its mafia-style operation and its agentlike organizations” (https://counterjihadreport.com/tag/george-soros/).

Peljor, evil dalie, FPMT, Peljor's mentor Ringu “tulku”, Tsadra Foundation together with its “rimey” Shugden-haters, assorted racist Tibetan-recruiting “relief” organizations, all of these are or became nothing but pawns, or rather cancerigen cells, controlled by Abrahamic big money as represented by George Soros, and ultimately promoting the destruction of Buddhism from the inside as warned by the Buddha.