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Ringo Starr

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Clarifying how the Seven Wild Tsen Brothers came about
« on: October 29, 2016, 02:23:08 PM »
Tsi'u Marpo: History, Narrative & Myth by Cameron Bailey, December 28th, 2015

According to the Tantra of the Red-Razored One the being that would become the deity Tsi'u Marpo was born during the dispensation of the Buddha Kashyapa as the Khotanese Prince Chorwa.

Chorwa is said to have had faith in Buddhism and to have taken monastic ordination.

One day, when he was meditating alone in the forest, the daughter of the local king was bathing nearby when she was bitten by a venomous snake. Chorwa was able to save her life by giving her a medicinal antidote, but when two evil ministers saw this, they spread the false rumour that the monk and the princess were making love.

The king, outraged by this, sent men to kill the monk. The princess attempted to dissuade him by telling him the truth of the matter, but he did not listen, and out of protest she vowed to be reborn as the hostile spirit sister of the monk in a future life, then threw herself off a cliff, committing suicide, in protest.

Chorwa, meanwhile, fled to the Himalayas, and his mind became downcast and full of evil intentions. He then proceeded to go on a killing and raping spree, but eventually the king's army caught up to him and stabbed him to death. Before he died, the monk swore to be reborn as a tsen demon, and the "executioner of all beings."

Thereafter he hatched from an egg produced from the union of a deity named "Lekpa" and a female tsen. When he was born, he had six other tsen demon brothers growing inside his body - (2) the "black obstacle might demon" in his head, the (3) "divine might demon" in his bones, (4) "rock might demon" in his body heat, (5) "knife might demon" in his blood, (6) "serpentine might demon" in his pus, and (7) "defiling might demon" in his 'messy rotten garments of flesh.' Together they became the seven wild tsen brothers.

Note: "Rock Might Demon" is Karche Marpo who is one of the two great ministers of Dorje Shugden, the other being Namka Barzin.

Sources:

Bell, Christopher. 2006. “Tsiu Marpo: The Career of a Tibetan Protector Deity.” M.A. Thesis. Florida State University.

Kalsang, Ladrang. 1996. The Guardian Deities of Tibet. Dharamsala: Little Lhasa Publications.

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Re: Clarifying how the Seven Wild Tsen Brothers came about
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2016, 02:00:57 PM »
There's nothing in the article that says that Karche Marpo is Tsiu Marpo much less that specifically "rock might demon" in his body heat, is Karche Marpo.

What is your source for linking this specific horseman of Tsiu Marpo to Karche Marpo?

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Re: Clarifying how the Seven Wild Tsen Brothers came about
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2016, 08:57:03 AM »
Good question.

Cameron Bailey references Christopher Bell's  2006. “Tsiu Marpo: The Career of a Tibetan Protector Deity.” M.A. Thesis. Florida State University.

Bell's description of Kache Marpo is as one of the 6 ‘demons’ that formed from Tsiu Marpo’s body is known as the ‘Rock Might Demon‘ who comes from the red highlands. This description of where Kache Marpo comes from is similar to the description "mansion of the high rising copper red mountains" found in “The abbreviated torma offerings and request for activity of Powerful Tsen Go Kache Marpo called Sport of the Slaughterer” written by H.H. Trijang Rinpoche.

Also Bell’s description of the iconography of the ‘Rock Might Demon‘ (on p50 of Bell’s thesis) is identical to Kache Marpo’s except for the sword, which ‘Rock Might Demon‘ holds (Kache Marpo wields a lance).

I hope that clarifies.

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Re: Clarifying how the Seven Wild Tsen Brothers came about
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2016, 09:08:37 AM »
Here's a beautiful painting of the Seven Blazing Brothers.

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Re: Clarifying how the Seven Wild Tsen Brothers came about
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2016, 01:38:33 PM »
Thank you, Ringo Starr for the clarification. Now I can see that Karche Marpo is indeed one of the Seven Blazing Brothers. And Karche Marpo is Minister to Dorje Shugden. So there is a definitive link of Tsiu Marpo to Dorje Shugden

Thank tu, too for the  pictues of the Seven Blazing Brother.