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The Dalai Lama's Ban on Shugden is Illegal and Unconstitutional

According to the video below, HH the 14th Dalai Lama had violated Constitutions of Tibetan Government-in-exile, Constitutions of India Government and the United Nations' Human Rights Declaration as below:


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1.   In the Constitution of Tibetan Government-in-exile, the Article 17 states: “Every Tibetan shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. The right includes freedom to openly believe, practice, worship and observe any religion either alone or in community with others.

2.   In the Constitution of India (26 January 1950) states: “Liberty of thought, expression, belief, faith, and worship”.

Article 15 states: “Prohibition of discrimination on grounds of religion, race, caste, sex or place of birth.”

Article 25 states: “Freedom of conscience and free profession, practice and propagation of religion.”

3.   United Nations Declaration of Human Rights, Article 1 states: “Everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right shall include freedom to have a religion or whatever belief of his choice, and freedom, either individual or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice, and teaching.”

4.   Article 2 states: “No one shall be subject to discrimination by any state, institution, group of persons, or person on the grounds of religion or other belief.”

Article 3 states: “Discrimination between human beings on the grounds of religion or belief constitutes an affront to human dignity… and shall be condemned as a violation of the human rights and fundamental freedoms proclaimed in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights… and as an obstacle to friendly and peaceful relations between nations.”


The question is, since HH the Dalai Lama had clearly violated the basic freedom and human rights as stated by constitutions and the United Nations, why is it that no one can stop him or to reverse his 'advice' or rather the 'ban' against Dorje Shugden practice?

And why are the American Presidents, before and current, as well as the Head of Government of European countries still allowing this discrimination to go on?

Why these same Head of States are voicing their concerns over the so-called China's violation of human rights on Tibetans?

Why the double standards?

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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2016, 08:51:41 PM »
The evil dalie should definitely be criminally prosecuted and imprisoned in any civilized country where he places his feet for his blatant actions of religious intolerance and persecution. Humanity will be better off the day he is duly placed where he belongs, the garbage bin of history.

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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2016, 07:43:57 PM »
When asked why the Dalai Lama does not have to observe the legal provisions of freedom as [supposedly] protected by the Tibetan Constitution, CTA officials are often quoted as saying that the law does not apply to the Dalai Lama. Doesn't that make the Tibetan Constitution and the 'democracy' is represents, a complete mockery? It does but the joke is on fns of the Dalai Lama and CTA who till believe that they stand for freedom.

That the United States and other Western nations should turn a blind eye to the Dalai Lama's offences against humanity just goes to show that politics override justice. When it comes to the Dalai Lama, the American eagle is not only bald, but also blind, mute and lame. As long as the Dalai Lama avail himself as a thorn to China's side and as a means to stymie China's rise, then he is an important asset and is held to be above the law.

Regardless, history will judge the Dalai Lama and CTA as having criminally breached a long list of human rights laws, and a pretender to the peace process. Its only a question of time.

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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2016, 03:57:16 PM »
It very simple really....The Dalai Lama and CTA is nothing but a pawn in the Western governments' political play against China. As such the Dalai Lama and CTA had gotten away with all the atrocities that they had created from the ban imposed on Protector Dorje Shugden and his practises. They probably were considered the "Lesser of Two Evils". However with China's ever growing strength, politically and economically, these very countries are already scrambling over each other to befriend the very country who was once their "enemy". As such, the Dalai Lama and CTA will be sidelined, something which had actually started with many political heads of countries snubbing the Dalai Lama on his visits. Images with the Dalai Lama are not worth as much as it had previously. Even corporate entities are starting to distant themselves away from the Dalai Lama, Apple Inc. being one of them

If the Dalai Lama and CTA were to expect future continuation of sponsorship from any countries or persons, they had better start thinking of how to present a better face to the world instead of all the restriction on religious freedom, practises of segregation, encouraged persecution of Shugden practitioners, curtailing the freedom of movement and withdrawing basic amenities to Shugden practitioners (medical help, grocery supplies, schooling, housing, etc.). They will need to start practising what are already stated in the Constitution of Tibetan-In-Exile and recognise the Shugden practitioners as their citizens with proper voting rights.

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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2016, 08:46:26 AM »
I think the the American President is very quietly and subtly hinting to the Dalai Lama that he is aware of what's going on that the Dalai Lama should instruct the CTA to pull up their socks. President Obama may not be loud but he is no one's fool.

Please refer to another forum discussion on this site - Obama snubs Dalai Lama, says "go speak to China"

http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=5600.0

and the bbc link is attched:-
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36537300


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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2016, 04:50:45 PM »
A constitution is essentially the basic law or rules covering the establishment of a governing organisation and the conduct of its activities. In a real democratic government, the entire governing system rests within the parameters of the Constitution. This is based on the simple logic that for democracy, it is by and large, the people who decide who to put in power and also what rules and principles to be followed by such government. Thus, for CTA (who claims to be all about democracy) to have a Constitution but not address the Dalai Lama’s blatant disregard of it with the imposition of the Dorje Shugden ban is just epic hypocrisy at play. It is also wrong for CTA to be able to cherry pick on the enforceability of the rights afforded by the Constitution i.e. CTA’s arbitrarily withholding the privileges and protections of a class of citizen namely, the Dorje Shugden practitioners.

Yet, it was not an issue to turn a blind eye and indulge the Dalai Lama and CTA at a time where the Western governments were especially keen to exploit Tibet’s position as a political thorn in China’s side. However, as the world undergoes a geopolitical realignment with China’s emergence as an economic superpower, more and more countries are getting cautious with their dealings with the Dalai Lama. No one wants to be forced to eat humble pie as how the British government did in 2013 when Prime Minister David Cameron met with the Dalai Lama, even after Beijing warned him not to. China proceeded to cut off diplomatic relations, and Cameron’s administration had to spent a year working to get back in Beijing’s good graces.

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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2016, 04:25:13 AM »
The ban is indeed very unconstitutional, there is no reasonable/ valid reasons as to why the ban on Dorje Shugden was implemented. For people who do not have any background about this issue, this ban does not matter to them, others pain does not hurt them, or else they would have done something about it. For mediocre people who know about this issue and are in it, part of them take this matter to heart and do everything they can to lift the ban; part of them care about the ban but have not decided to get out of their comfort zone to do more, they are "not prepared"(they never will be). I personally believe that His Holiness is doing this for a reason.

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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2016, 06:11:51 AM »
Not only has The Dalai Lama  violated the Constitution of the Tibetan Government in-Exile, he has also violated the Constitution of the Indian Government and the  United Nations’ Human Rights Declaration,  yet he is not prosecute for his actions. Is it right for the authorities to turn a blind eye and allow the Dalai Lama to do as his wished at the expense on the sufferings of Dorje Shugden practitioners? The ban of Dorje Shugden is very unconstitutional and millions of Dorje Shugden practitioners continue to suffer faith-based discrimination till this day.

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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2019, 03:01:44 PM »
Today... the Dalai Lama's teaching in Manali seems brief... luckily he did not bring up or say anything negative about Dorje Shugden these days. But he did make a contradictory statement which is not applicable to Shugdenpas of course. The double standard practice seems to be a norm in Tibetan culture.

Why is the Dalai Lama so uncompassionate towards Shugden people? Are we not humans? Do we not deserve our freedom and rights equally with the rest Your Holiness?


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His Holiness gives teachings to devotees in Manali
http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=41669&article=His+Holiness+gives+teachings+to+devotees+in+Manali


DHARAMSHALA, Aug 13: His Holiness the XIV Dalai Lama addressed a huge gathering of devotees in Manali this morning.

He will give teaching on Nagarjuna’s Commentary on the Awakening Mind (Jangchup Semdrel), the 37 Practices of Bodhisattvas (Gyalsey Thokme Sangpo’s laklen sodunma), and the Eight Verses on Training the Mind (Geshe Langri Thangpa’ Lojong Tisg Gye ma) on Tuesday and Wednesday and a Bodhichitta initiation (Chenresig Wang) on August 15, Friday. Watch live here

After greeting the large crowd of devotees gathered at the MC-Manali parking ground this morning, His Holiness spoke about the inception of Von Ngari Monastery in Manali and gave a general introduction to Buddha’s teachings.

He praised the monastery’s abbot Gomang Khensur Lobsang Samten Rinpoche for taking the responsibilities of building the Von Ngari Monastery in exile which is part of Nga Dak Gyal Sum monasteries in Tibet.

“In Tibet,” he recalled, “Ngari Monastery was built by a group of monks who came from Ngari and built the monastery at Ön during the time of Gendun Gyatso, the second Dalai Lama.

He said the Nga Dak Gyel Sum, collectively conducted the great summer prayer ceremony.

His Holiness acknowledged the existence of a sizeable number of local people interested in Buddhism in the region. “Most Garsha, Khunu locals are Buddhist.”

He reiterated, “Whether one believes in Buddha’s teaching or not depends on one’s own inclination and ability. I don’t tell nonreligious people to be religious or say Buddhism is the best to those who practice religion.” 

His Holiness advised the devotees to go through the texts of the teachings to become more familiar and added, “once you are familiar, then the implementation depends on the practice of kind-heartedness, with emptiness as its foundation.”

His Holiness has been staying at Ön Ngari monastery on Siyal road in Manali since August 10. He is going to be in Manali till August 27.

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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2019, 07:50:32 AM »
I totally agree that Dalai Lama imposing ban on Dorje Shugden is violating the human rights and religious freedom. As a leader, should respect their people's right and not create discrimination. Why a leader like Dalai Lama which already a refugee in India and still want to create separation in Tibetan to weaken the entire Tibetan. This is really sick.

It's also funny that the Tibetan leadership keep asking freedom from China and at the same time took away the freedom from the Tibetan. This is really not accepted. One hand keep condemning China for freedom but what Tibetan leadership did to their own people is worst. China taken over Tibet is a fact but China didn't abandon Tibet. They invested billions to repair, refurbish and develop Tibet. What has Tibetan leadership does for Tibetan in India. Has Tibetan life in India improved? What has Tibetan leadership done for their people 60 years compare to China?

It's better for the Tibetan in India to return to their homeland.

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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2019, 10:04:43 PM »
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It's also funny that the Tibetan leadership keep asking freedom from China and at the same time took away the freedom from the Tibetan.

Just like any criminal, the so-called “Tibetan leadership” just want freedom to perpetrate their crimes against the people, as they did for centuries.

Such fake leadership -- disgruntled ex-feudal lords and slave-owners -- does not represent anyone except for their own greedy selves and clan interests.

Now it's up to the deceived and manipulated Tibetans rottening in exile to disavow this fake leadership, give up supporting Western neocolonialism and separatism, and go back home to enjoy the peace, freedom, and prosperity of China.