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[Ringo Starr]

http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/Dalai-Lama-recuses-himself-from-appointing-Tawang-Monastery-Chief/2016/05/20/article3443288.ece1

[SabS]

It would seem contradictory of the Dalai Lama, don't you think? Here the Dalai Lama recuses himself from appointing the Abbot for Tawang Monastery when this position had always been appointed by the Dalai Lamas. Yet in the case of the Karmapa, where the Dalai Lama has no authority in recognition or appointment, he had interfered with his choice. Or when the Dalai Lama was involved in the succession process of the Sakya Trinzin.

I wonder what the Dalai Lama's real intention is with all the illogical actions, interferences, statements, opinions, etc. Just like the Dorje Shugden ban, the Dalai Lama is defying logical and proven explanation that this Protector is enlightened. Political reasons, personal reasons or spiritual reasons? Whatever it may be, with so much sufferings of over 20 years, it should be time that the Dalai Lama manifest his true nature.

[vajratruth]

http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/Dalai-Lama-recuses-himself-from-appointing-Tawang-Monastery-Chief/2016/05/20/article3443288.ece1

Dear Ringo Starr,

Thank you for this post. However, it would help forum participants tremendously if you could provide a brief description of the post/link.

Thank you

[dharmacrazy79]

There are more and more contradictions in His Holiness' actions. This can certainly cause the world to doubt his actions and this will eventually taint his reputation.  This is very sad especially when coupled with the corruption that is shrouding the CTA in the past years.

I hope things can be cleared soon and light shed on all this confusion .

[michaela]

I am not surprised that the Dalai Lama refused to appoint a new abbot.  After all, he has appointed Guru Rinpoche as the abbot and decided to extend his tenure.  Realizing that he is unpopular, Guru Rinpoche has offered his resignation to the Dalai Lama office.

If the Dalai Lama's choice has been rejected, then what is the point of asking the Dalai Lama to appoint another abbot.

However, I do think that the matter of the Tawang Monastery is much more complex than just the appointment of the new abbot.  The area around Tawang Monastery has suffered many ecological damages (e.g., landslides).  The government would like to build a hydropower project that is of course without its many benefits have numerous ecological consequences.  Guru Rinpoche allegedly supported the project although it is unpopular.  Of course there may be other reasons that made him unpopular, but at least this is one of the major reasons.   

[Q]

Wow! The Dalai Lama must have gotten a shocked to see the outcome of this. It is almost unthinkable that the monks and supporters of Anna Lama can pressure Guru Rinpoche, who was appointed Abbot of Tawang Monastery to resign. The Dalai Lama must be feeling very sore about it.

But the issue that surrounds this unfortunate event is truly worrying. What Anna Lama and his supporters are doing to campaign against the Mega Dam, although I am not too familiar... perhaps this is not something allowed within the monastic rules? I am not sure. But these campaigns are important as the construction of the Mega Dams will cause great problems ecologically... We have seen documentaries on how the construction of the Mega Dam in South Africa affected the animals in the wildlife reserve, where many protected species were found dead. Hopefully the same is not repeated in India.

[grandmapele]

The way, I see it, the Dalai Lama can't be bothered too much by all this hoo haa about the appointment of Guru Rinpoche. If the people don't like it, too bad. He makes his stand and if the people are not happy, he will still have the final say via someone else -Sera Je Monastery.

If Guru Rinpoche messes up, too bad. The people will just have to learn to live with it.

What the Dalai Lama is saying here is that don't bother him directly. He just leaves instructions with Sera Je Monastery and they are supposed to do his bidding with the outcome he wants. He's pretty high-handed about it. Arrogant too.

[Q]

The way, I see it, the Dalai Lama can't be bothered too much by all this hoo haa about the appointment of Guru Rinpoche. If the people don't like it, too bad. He makes his stand and if the people are not happy, he will still have the final say via someone else -Sera Je Monastery.

If Guru Rinpoche messes up, too bad. The people will just have to learn to live with it.

What the Dalai Lama is saying here is that don't bother him directly. He just leaves instructions with Sera Je Monastery and they are supposed to do his bidding with the outcome he wants. He's pretty high-handed about it. Arrogant too.

That is very true. After all Sera Je Monastery will definitely send the name of the candidate they chose or a list of candidates to the Dalai Lama before making any official announcement. Ultimately, the Dalai Lama has the final say anyway lol.

Though I think he might had his ego bruised that the monks who were supposed to be 'loyal' to him rejected his candidate in such a manner. The Dalai Lama who meddled with recognizing other incarnations such as the Karmapa cant even keep his Abbot candidate in a monastery.

[pgdharma]

If the Dalai Lama’s choice has been rejected then it is no point for him to elect another one as his choice may be rejected again. However, he will still have his final say and the decision is still his when the candidates’ names are presented to him by Sera Jey Monastery. He is just trying to rescue himself from further embarrassment.

[Matibhadra]

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[Matibhadra]

Ultimately, the Dalai Lama has the final say anyway lol.

Hardly on an issue so sensitive to India.

Tawang, inhabited by the Tibetan Monpa people and home to the great Gelugpa Tawang Monastery, belongs to the traditionally Tibetan border area currently under Indian control, but disputed by China and India, known in China as South Tibet and in India as Arunachal Pradesh, which was the object to the 1962 Sino-Indian War,

Local Monpa people's ongoing protests oppose the construction of several environmentally damaging hydroelectric power plants. Recently, India's police has brutally murdered and injured several protesters, and abusively arrested their leader, Lama Lobsang Gyatso.

The corrupt dalie-appointed abbot of Tawang monastery shamelessly sided with powerful economic interests, favorable to the construction of the environmentally-damaging hydroelectric power plants, and therefore is repudiated both by Tawang's monks and by the local Monpa population.

Therefore, the dalie-appointed, corrupt abbot was forced to resign, while the evil dalie himself, in order to save face, has declined to appoint a new abbot. The fact is that the evil dalie has thoroughly lost his authority amongst the Monpa people, who now fully realize that the self-proclaimed “Chenrezig” is nothing but a corrupt mafioso.

The Indian central government, while desirous to go forward with the hydroelectric power plants, does not want to see a Monpa anti-government rebellion, which would directly play into the hands of the Chinese in a disputed border area. Therefore, it should not be excluded that India might eventually even renounce the power plants.

Anyway, whoever appoints the next abbot of Tawang will learn from the Indian government that this next abbot should refrain from following the disgraceful example of the already ejected, dalie-appointed corrupt abbot, and thus refrain from taking sides on the issue of the power plant.

Bottom line, not only will the evil dalie have no final say on the issue, but also he is now once and forever loathed by the Monpa people as the very symbol of brazen greed and corruption, under the abject service of economically powerful, anti-social interests.

Below follow pictures of the monks and ordinary people brutally murdered and injured by Indian police while peacefully demonstrating against the power plants supported by the evil dalie and his corrupt abbot. You can also sign a petition here: https://www.change.org/p/save-mon-region-federation-why-did-police-fire-on-people-in-tawang. More information on the issue here: http://www.newindianexpress.com/thesundaystandard/Monks-and-a-Watery-Wall-of-Strife/2016/05/08/article3421077.ece, here: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/india-untamed/2015/aug/22/indigenous-tribe-opposes-hydropower-projects-tawang, and here: http://indianexpress.com/article/explained/in-fact-behind-the-firing-and-deaths-in-tawang-anti-dam-protests-and-abbot-lama-tussle-2783149/

[Q]

@Matibhadra

I can only hope what you mentioned is true for both cases, the Dalai Lama loosing influence in the area and also the Indian government abandoning the mega dam project. The more the DL lose influence, the better for our cause, as people will mistrust and check the false information he spreads about Dorje Shugden.

The death of two of the protesters was truly tragic. It also shows how useless the CTA is in regards to this situation, that their own fellow Tibetan were shot but they can't do anything about. Imagine if the ones shot were US citizens, would it not be a whole different story by now.

Sera Monastery is notorious for their obedience to the Dalai Lama, if the abbot is appointed by them, i wouldn't be surprised if the Dalai Lama have the capability to influenced the candidate selection, whether directly or indirectly.

[Ringo Starr]

Thank you for the links and further information @Matibhadra.

I'll look into them.

I didn't know much about the conflict in Tawang Monastery and Arunachal Pradesh.

[Matibhadra]

Sera Monastery is notorious for their obedience to the Dalai Lama, if the abbot is appointed by them, i wouldn't be surprised if the Dalai Lama have the capability to influenced the candidate selection, whether directly or indirectly.

Which is a far cry from the Dalai Lamas' centuries-old, undisputed power directly to appoint Tawang's abbot, and thus shows his loss of power.

Resigning from such power is also a convenient way for the evil dalie to save face in case the appointment is rejected by local monks and ordinary people.

Please note that until 2008 the current dalie did not accept that Tawang, the birthplace of the 6th Dalai Lama, was part of India.

India will not leave its national interests in the hands of a greedy mafioso such as the evil dalie, hell bent on making money at any cost.