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yontenjamyang

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Re: Letter from United Front of the Tibetan People
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2014, 04:44:59 AM »
This is really sad. The letter smack of ignorances. From calling the Dalai Lama, "God" to propagating the "illogics" of the Dalai Lama and CTA. Illogic like the Shugden practice will shorten the Dalai Lama's life and Shugden being a spirit are just accepted wholesale.

It is as though the ban is a spite from the Dalai Lama to these followers. The Dalai Lama tells a lie, he see if you believe it. If you do, you need more of his help. For those who are more intelligent and knows to discern lies from truth, He let you practice and he "purify" your karma with the ban.

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Re: Letter from United Front of the Tibetan People
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2014, 05:34:16 AM »
You know, I wanted to comment that yes, it may seem mostly against Tibetans, but also--- it is clearly against anyone who supports the Tibetans and the NKT is mentioned directly--- so are they threatening westerners as well?  It seemed so.  Do you think these are really radical Dalai Lama people?  Or are these like China trying to further a schism?  Because the letter was absolutely ridiculous?  I am just asking--- just asking because I do not know how this generally works...

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Re: Letter from United Front of the Tibetan People
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2014, 08:35:12 AM »
So far on the website and the forums, I've only seen copies of the letter and envelope addressed to Ven. Kelsang Chogyop.  I at first thought maybe this was an isolated incident, since to my knowledge, no one else has come forward with their copy of the letter...

However, this past weekend when I visited my teacher, H.E. Kyabje Yongyal Dorje Chang, after the teachings, Rinpoche, me, and a few close students were sitting at the table, enjoying tea and just chatting.  Rinpoche reached into his cabinet and pulled out an envelope and a letter and asked me and his other senior student to translate it for him (Rinpoche knows very little English).  Lo and behold, it's the infamous letter.  At this point, if Kyabje Yongyal Rinpoche received the letter, I'm pretty sure Kyabje Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche and the other high lamas of our lineage probably received it too. 

I just hope the letter doesn't spur any fanatical Dalai Lama supporter to carry out any acts against our precious lamas. 

Kyabje Yongyal Rinpoche, given the depth of his practice and compassion, seemed unalarmed and not bothered by this letter.  But as his student, I am really shaking in my boots! 


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Re: Letter from United Front of the Tibetan People
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2014, 02:12:23 PM »
I'm beginning to wonder if this letter is genuine. It seems strange that this organisation who have never been heard of before would send such a threatening letter and sign it. DUH! it seems like a huge mistake.

Whoever did send it, it was totally wrong to do so and I hope the authorities find out who it was and it becomes public. If it's an attempt to frame the Dalai Lama's followers that would be a huge mistake as truth and honesty are our main weapons in this fight for religious freedom and if it's genuine, such extreme actions will lose the Dalai Lama and his followers some credibility.

Whichever side did this, it's wrong and I hope it just disappears without causing harm to anyone.

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Re: Letter from United Front of the Tibetan People
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2014, 12:57:46 AM »
Linageholder,
  I agree the letter is not good either way.  I keep thinking a third party like China--- not because for me China is the big bad guy that we blame everything on--- but rather because maybe China thinks they can benefit from a rift--- the unfortunate truth is that that China does totally benefit from a rift--- whether they did this or not--- Tibetans would do well to remember the teachings of Buddha, of course--- the divide is not helpful to Buddhism or Tibetans---- so I don't know though, if this strange group was just forming because they are angry or they aren't for real----

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Re: Letter from United Front of the Tibetan People
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2014, 06:36:27 AM »
Sad to read the references to H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama as God. In my opinion, he is not God. if he is, then he may not be enlightened and in Asura. He is not God, he is the Buddha Chenrezik, Buddha of Compassion. For whatever reason, he is keeping quiet about all these poor peasants' wayward thinking.

OM MANI PADME HUNG

May the time come when H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama comes out and counsel them and stop all this mud-slinging and anger and threats.

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Re: Letter from United Front of the Tibetan People
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2014, 04:38:23 AM »
For everyone's information:
 
1. Several labrangs (households) of reincarnated lamas and Geshes have requested us to highlight this letter (The United Front of the Tibetan People) on our website. (They wish to remain anonymous for security reasons) One of the lamas has done a dice divination and said although the letter may seem bad, it will be beneficial in the cause of Dorje Shugden followers for the long run. It will contribute to a sort of standoff ending in our favor. The more people who read the letter, the better. With or without the letter, those who will create trouble will do so anyway. This letter highlights to the international community the type of violence and instigations the CTA is capable of. It is important people see this letter. The monks requested us to please keep it posted and email to authorities for investigations. Even if the investigations results in nothing, it will still be on record. The authorities will not understand the politics of who sent this letter, but simply Dorje Shugden practitioners are under threat. Makes sense.
 
2. The police of Mundgod, ByLakuppe and Dharamsala are taking this letter very seriously. And investigating. It has highlighted the plight of Serpom and Shar Gaden monasteries clearly to the local police. Shar Gaden Monastic administration were happy to have proof of the threats they have received for years. They have brought this letter to the local police and it has given them more weight to their claims and fears. It has 'materialized' all the verbal threats they have received. If in future anything else should happen, the monks can refer back to this letter. The monks of both Serpom and Shar Gaden are not happy about the letter, but they are happy that they have something to show the police. They have expressed this to us.
 
3. In fact by this letter being given to the various police in the Tibetan settlements of India, the pro-Dalai Lama fanatics have to be more careful as the police in India have a heads up and are on the alert. An example, if you let the police know there is going to be a burglary tonight, they will be extra alert.
 
4. The Dalai Lama and his office has become very desperate as well recently. Because Trijang Rinpoche will not fall in line with their diktats, they have sent a very nasty and angry letter to Trijang Rinpoche which is too sensitive to reveal. Desperate angry letters threatening violence, punishments or the likes is commonplace from Tibetans in authority especially when instigated by the CTA and it's increasing. Let the CTA and their supporters answer to the authorities who are investigating.
 
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Re: Letter from United Front of the Tibetan People
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2014, 02:03:42 AM »
This is indeed shocking to know that the Tibetan people are doing this to their own people. How can they be living in the same place and because of different beliefs and religion that turn them to be so violent against each other.
They said they have freedom of religion but on the other hand they threaten those who practices DS.
Those who persist on practicing are those loyal to their Guru and this shows great devotion among student and teachers. Their teachers are great Lamas and who are they to say that they are wrong about Dorje Shugden.
Do not do onto others what you do not want others to do onto you. Stop all the bullying and threatening.

[Dear Maricisun,
You are shocked to know that the Tibetan people are doing this to their own people????
I think you must be new to this issue. CTA behaves like hooligans and thugs. Read on:

http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/achok-rinpoche-teachings-in-serpom-monastery/
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/cta-creates-violence-again/
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=4826.0
]

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Re: Letter from United Front of the Tibetan People
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2014, 02:04:54 AM »
The United Front of the Tibetan People is taking laws into their own hands!  The letter shows so much hatred and ignorance they have towards Dorje Shugden and and His followers.  It is really sad that the ban on Dorje Shugden had created monsters in the pro-Dalai Lama supporters! These PDLS are not really interested to solve problems, they have become the problems!  How could there be peace and harmony amongst tibetans in exile if this is happening?  Instead of 'war' against the Chinese - the real enemy, these PDLS are going all out to 'finish' their own kind! What have you done CTA? You had jeopardised the lives of many innocent Tibetans who just wanted to have their religious freedom and human rights.  You had also caused many PDLS to create so much heavy negative karmas.  The truths shall prevail and the ban on Dorje Shugden will be lifted soon in the future.  When that happens, CTA, can you take full responsibility of all your wrongdoings?


[I totally agree with you. Only a stupid administration like CTA will incite war among his own people. Brainless! Go for a bigger cause; fight back for the country you lost. Or perhaps you know you are incapable of that hence you need to find a cause so as to be seen you are doing something and that you think is easier ie bully your own people.]

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Re: Letter from United Front of the Tibetan People
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2014, 09:02:40 AM »
Dear Admin - there is always 2 sides to a coin. A positive or a negative point of view, with reference to the Threat Letter but I am glad of the positiveness the letter brought.

If we wish to think negatively of the Threat Letter, the messages can incite DS practitioners to act in violence. If we are able to take the Threat Letter in positive light, then perhaps it was time these type of letters revealed itself as proof to the world of its existence and the truth of reality to wake up the Indian authorities over such "real" threat within India.


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Re: Letter from United Front of the Tibetan People
« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2014, 10:50:12 AM »
Any group with the words "United Front" will instinctively create a disgust in my mind, as all those groups that i've know that use these two words will obviously have some sort of horrific agenda. And this letter matches my stereotype to the T. What sickness is afflicting these people that they would condone or even encourage such behavior towards others? I really see this as a precursor to nazi-ish way of behaviour, but rather than based on race, this is based on practices within the same religion!!!

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Re: Letter from United Front of the Tibetan People
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2014, 11:57:19 AM »
I do not think Dorje Shugden practitioner will become more militant as a result. We will be much more vigilant to watch out for potential harm from the anti Dorje Shugden factions. And more aware with every move the CTA and its supporters do that could potentially harm others and themselves. 

And it is not everyday we have the Tibetan in Exile letterhead. Plus if it is false why have not the CTA issued any denial if no denial at least some words to say we do not wish any harm towards the Tibetan lama and practitioners who engage in Dorje Shugden? 

Nothing, I can hear a pin drop….

This letter was spot on on the attack on Domo Geshe, what other nefarious schemes are they planning we need to be more vigilant and aware.

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Re: Letter from United Front of the Tibetan People
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2014, 08:47:15 PM »
Dear Admin - there is always 2 sides to a coin. A positive or a negative point of view, with reference to the Threat Letter but I am glad of the positiveness the letter brought.

If we wish to think negatively of the Threat Letter, the messages can incite DS practitioners to act in violence. If we are able to take the Threat Letter in positive light, then perhaps it was time these type of letters revealed itself as proof to the world of its existence and the truth of reality to wake up the Indian authorities over such "real" threat within India.

Kim Hyun Jae, I don't think that Dorje Shugden's real practitioners could ever act in violence because he is a Buddha and isn't arranging for them to go the lower realms; they are Buddhists and Buddhists to keep refuge do not harm living beings.
  Sadly, the police should already be aware of what is going on--- like when the monasteries get attacked. 
  I do not follow the pop psych that we need to look for the positive in everything; like samsara--- nothing positive about samsara itself, okay--- it's a terrible cycle of pain and misery and rebirth after rebirth, with long sojourns in the lower realms.
  Okay, so the nice thing though, is that there is a way out of samsara for everyone by everyone becoming Buddhas.  Of course, everyone needs to practice the path that they personally decide to practice because the Buddha helps people find different paths.  When some buddhists act against others, trying to say that we don't need a certain practice, it becomes problematic; how does one person know what another person is supposed to do?
  The Buddha never taught to be dogmatic, but the opposite.

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Re: Letter from United Front of the Tibetan People
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2014, 04:19:08 PM »
this letter should not be ignore, it has come to a very disturbing situation that the persecution towards Dorje Shugden practitioners is becoming more violent. How could a Tibetan harm another Tibetan? furthermore to claim they are Buddhist and are H.H Dalai Lama supporter or student, this is contradictory to Buddhist philosophy of Love and peace!

This groups is indirectly link to CTA, maybe the dark side of CTA who target the Dorje Shugden practitioners to cause harm! This letter should be seen by the world, and broadcast on world news to let the world know what is CTA up to, and what is the condition of the Dorje Shugden Practitioners in India is facing!

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Re: Letter from United Front of the Tibetan People
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2014, 03:49:04 PM »
This letter has the tibetan flag and claim to represent the Tibetan people.

Well this letter has spread all over the internet so the big question is why hasn't the CTA denied that this letter does not represent the views of the Tibetan Government in exile and Tibetan people. This letter has so much threatening undertones that police reports should be made against it.

As the letter suggests malicious acts against the Dorje Shudgen monasteries and Dorje Shugden lamas and prominent practitioners.  If the CTA does not deny this letter then most likely they are agreeing to it. Also it shows the friends of CTA are not what they it to be to have sent this letter to Dorje Shudgen people. The cracks are getting wider for the CTA alliance, can they really trust anyone now?