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icy

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Death Threats by Anti Shugden
« on: April 29, 2014, 12:28:45 AM »
Death threats are issued by anti Shugden people to Shugden activists must be condemn.  It is utterly shameful anti Shugden people resort to such undharmic and uncivilised act to counter the Shugden movement for religious freedom and human rights for the benefit of Tibetans. 

Below is a picture of Adar Tsering on a gravestone sent by anti Shugden people.  On it, is his name (in Tibetan) and birth/death dates. This is to frighten him and threaten him that they are out to get him and eliminate him for speaking up. They threaten to kill him.

Adar Tsering is a strong out spoken advocate against the Dorje Shugden ban. He has worked for the removal of the ban for years and speaks up on Tibetan Talk often (youtube). He is based in NYC as well as the Shugden group he is involved with.

Tibetan Public Talk, March 22, 2014, Part 1


In the Tibetan Public Talk, Shugden activists have made it crystal clear they wish no harm to the Dalai Lama. All they ask is for the ban against Shugden practice to be lifted so that all Tibetans have basic human rights and religious freedom.


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Re: Death Threats by Anti Shugden
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2014, 12:31:47 AM »
This is another death threat which is sent to Venerable Tenzin Gyatso to warn him of life attempt. Ven Tenzin Gyatso is also a very outspoken advocate of DS and against the ban.

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Re: Death Threats by Anti Shugden
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2014, 04:18:29 PM »
This shows the terrorist nature of the evil dalai's personality cult.

The evil dalai, dear friends, is not Chenrezig; he is a terrorist.

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Re: Death Threats by Anti Shugden
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2014, 07:07:17 AM »
I'm just curious, of all the death threats that have been received by high DS lamas, how many threats have actually been followed through. I mean how many death of DS high lamas have been claimed by anti-Shugden groups?

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Re: Death Threats by Anti Shugden
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2014, 07:21:16 AM »
Its really childish that the anti Shugdens have to stoop so low and do things like this. If they are really so faithful in the Dalai Lama and trust everything He says, they dont have to threaten anyone since the Shugden practitioners are practicing an 'evil' spirit! And if we are practicing an 'evil' spirit, we will get what we deserve so why need to do such despicable things.  :-\

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Re: Death Threats by Anti Shugden
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2014, 08:10:16 AM »
At time i am wondering to the people who are against the practice of Dorje Shugden really know the story on why HHTDL are doing this or it is just because of blind faith or it because there are in the situation that they have no choice but in order to protect their family there have to become a member of anti-Shugden. We do not sure why HHTDL had imposed the ban of the practice in the first place but over the years this issue has becoming for people who think what they are doing is right and at times misused its authority by hurting another soul.

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Re: Death Threats by Anti Shugden
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2014, 09:39:04 AM »
The best way to settle a dispute, any disputes, is through dialogue. This should be the correct way for the controversy surrounding Dorje Shugden between the anti Dorje Shugden camp and pro Dorje Shugden camp. But no, the Dalai Lama who is responsible for starting this ban refused to meet representatives from the pro Dorje Shugden camp. And now the CTA has instigated and maybe is responsible for the latest wave of life threatening scare tactics against people in the pro Dorje Shugden camp. Buddhism is turning into terrorism.

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Re: Death Threats by Anti Shugden
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2014, 09:49:48 AM »
Threatening someone for practicing what they believe in is so wrong in many aspects. First of all, everyone has the right and freedom to choose their religion and if their religion is different from ours, who are we to say? They are leading their lives and we are leading ours. Secondly, it is always the anti shugden people who are aggressive in threatening, in attacking and all the violence that occurred where as, the Shugden practitioners are only seen in peaceful protests. Do you see the difference?


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Re: Death Threats by Anti Shugden
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2014, 04:16:48 PM »
I'm just curious, of all the death threats that have been received by high DS lamas, how many threats have actually been followed through. I mean how many death of DS high lamas have been claimed by anti-Shugden groups?

may be there are not many accounts of high lama being killed by anti shugden groups, but the threats has very much disturbed the practitioners as well as the families of the practitioners.

A monk told us that he cannot even visit his mother when his mother passed away because of the ban (if he visit his mother for the wake, it will cause too much problem for his sisters, aunties, etc).

I agree with samayakeeper that to resolve this issue, dialogue and discussion is needed. furthermore, it is very clear that Dorje Shugden practitioners have no intention to harm HH Dalai Lama, but just to lift the ban.

It shows how low class are the anti-shugden people..

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Re: Death Threats by Anti Shugden
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2014, 12:11:23 PM »
This shows what the Anti Shugden camp are capable of, when they cannot defeat the Dorje Shudgen cause via social media, forum or through logic they will just rely on brute strength to try to resolve the issue. Je Atisha and Marpa must be rolling in their graves if they hears how degenerated Tibetans are once again despite so many enlightened beings have taught and spread the dharma there.

Is this dharma to threaten people's lives? Especially coming from unenlightened sources so what kind of dharma is being practiced by such people?  And reliance on Nechung who is confirmed a spirit king. And CTA wants to take the high ground on being spiritual and Buddhist? 

Denying food and sustenance to monks, have caused untold illness and stress to Dorje Shugden monks this is still harm on a big scale and sanctioned. Families across the Tibetan diaspora are split and schism is apparent. Buddha Shakyamuni was very precise when he said that Buddhism will be destroyed from within. The Dorje Shugden ban is one such case whereby it has caused dharma practitioners to work against each other.   
 

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Re: Death Threats by Anti Shugden
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2014, 12:44:37 PM »
Thank you icy for sharing the death threat by anti-shugden group to the Shudgen practitioners.

CTA always claims that the Dorje Shugden followers are causing harm to HH Dalai Lama. However, looks who is causing harm to who now?

I agree with samayakeeper that to resolve this issue, dialogue and discussion is needed. Can CTA or HH Dalai Lama openly agreed to have a dialogue and discussion on this issue please? CTA, please do not just encourage your people into self-immolation, spending time to come out with resolutions concerning Dorje Shugden (see the latest resolutions by the Tibetan Parliament on 17th March 2014 : http://tibet.net/2014/03/20/tibetan-parliament-passes-resolution-concerning-dolgyal/) or thinking of way to cause any harm to the Dorje Shugden practitioners or lamas.

Instead, use your time, effort and resources wisely to unite your people, give them basic human rights and religious freedom, spend your time to look into ways to help on the economy and growth of Tibet. These actions are more beneficial to your people and be a responsible CTA!

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Re: Death Threats by Anti Shugden
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2014, 02:09:14 PM »
I don't see why anyone wants to issue death threats to DS practitioners. There is a freedom of religion practice. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and practice. Buddhism is suppose to be compassionate so why the Anti Shugden threats?
Even with all these threats there are still people who believes in DS as DS is not evil.
It's time to lift the ban so that everyone can practice openly and not afraid of any threats.
Down with the BAN!

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Re: Death Threats by Anti Shugden
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2014, 02:18:20 PM »
Giving death threat is morally wrong. If you think that it is nothing to do with moral or ethics, I tell you there are consequences and repercussions for your actions. If there is motivation followed by verbal actions, physical actions, or mental actions there are definitely consequences to follow.

It is very simple. If you don't believe in law of gravity and unknowingly walk over a hole you will experience a fall and pain. If you don't believe in law of consequence of actions and unknowingly harm others you will experience the negative consequences and suffering.

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Re: Death Threats by Anti Shugden
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2014, 02:27:53 PM »
Death Threats!
Wow, this mean the Shugden's practitioner must have get into their nerve.

Other than threaten, uses violence against own Tibetan, what other things they are capable off?

CTA, please remember you are still in exile state. Not even back to own Tibet and this is what you showed the world while Dalai Lama going out there to promote peace.

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Re: Death Threats by Anti Shugden
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2014, 03:38:10 PM »
The act of issuing death threats  tantamount to a terrorists' act. Yes, i agree - undharmic and uncivilized!  What more can we say about these terrorists who will kill anyone to realise their objectives? Despicable, heartless, lack of conscience, mindless, unlawful. The list goes on! The world hates terrorists who had contributed nothing to the peace and harmony but fear and destruction to humanity! These Shugden opponents must be put behind bars. This calls for the involvement of all countries as the ban on Dorje Shugden had degenerated into an international  security and safety issue. How very sad and pathetic the ban had become! I am certain His Holiness Dalai Lama the ever compassionate emanation of Chenrezig who had initiated the ban on Dorje Shugden would not tolerate with such inhumane act!