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Matibhadra

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Re: Is money evil?
« Reply #45 on: June 04, 2016, 05:34:48 AM »
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Money is not evil. It is actually nothing if not for the value that man imputed into it.

Just like any other evil, good, or neutral thing. Which means, your idle argument proves nothing.

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Money has changed form over the course of time from salt to gold to tin to the current notes and coins.

But since the current notes and coins, as opposed to salt and gold, neither are nor represent any actual resource, being rather just a perverse tool whose only function is to enslave peoples and countries through unpayable debt, it follows that not only the form of money has changed, but also its function, which is what you miserably fail to understand.

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Are any of these forms of money bad?

While resources like salt and gold, or even paper notes and coins based on them, are probably neutral, if not good, insofar as they fulfill human needs, what we call “money” nowadays is a completely different beast, since it just represents a perversely unpayable debt issued by private bankers, notably Jews (under the cover of privately-owned central banks, such as the Fed and the European Central Bank), through which they control, enslave, impoverish, and destroy countries and peoples, thus being the actual force behind tyrannies, wars, invasions, genocides, poverty, famines, and so forth.

The rest of your post is useless, because you fail to distinguish between resources in general (including paper money, coins, or any titles based on them), and debt money, which is what we call “money” nowadays.

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Re: Is money evil?
« Reply #46 on: March 23, 2017, 10:52:39 AM »
At my point of views ( MONEY ),

Money, knife, water pipe and wooden stick. If we fully use of it in positive ways, that's benefit peoples.

Positive example : Money - if we use it to benefit the poor, if we use to help an animals, if we use just for our living life, if we use the money to help Dharma centers to grow. That's positive.

Positive example : knife - If we use the knife for cutting vegetables. That's positive.

Positive example : water pipe - If we use it for home or to connected it to our house garden, it's benefit humans and plants.

Positive example : wooded sticks - If we use it for furniture's, that's benefit.

Negative  example : Money, knife, water pipes and wooden sticks - All of the " stuffs " can harm humans, animals and even natures.

That's my simple thought.

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Re: Is money evil?
« Reply #47 on: March 23, 2017, 12:54:49 PM »
I do have friends who are like that. They live their whole live looking for more ways to earn more money but sadly when they fail, they feel unhappy and keep on looking for other ways to do it all over again. In the course of doing so, they forsake their family and the meaning of love. All they ever love and care for is just themselves and their so called happiness - money. But they don't realise that money is not everything. Cant blame them entirely as their past imprints and habituations just keep them going deeper into samsara. Not forgetting their karma as well.

I tried ways to give hints and also talk to these friends but they can't seem to grasp the meaning of it as they are too ignorant of other things especially good advise.

Another way is that we 'help' them. We can try introducing Dorje Shugden's practice and tell them that He will help them earn 'more' money. Which at the same time help them to collect merits and also change their thinking - wisdom wise.

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Re: Is money evil?
« Reply #48 on: March 25, 2017, 02:49:48 PM »
Money $$$
In my opinion, money is just a trading unit. In the past, people used barter system to trade what they wants, for instance, individual would uses 15 units of chickens exchange for 1 units of cow.

Things keep changing when human evolve, we want things to be convenient, simple and fair. Hence, money has replaced the old trading system.

Every object has two sides, positive and negative. It's all depends on our motivations, we can use money to control people and create wars because of greediness. Conversely, we can use money to build and create peace to benefit people with advanced technology.

It's important for us to discover and understand what we want in lives and what is really bringing really happiness.

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Re: Is money evil?
« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2017, 08:41:26 PM »
Nice to see new people here  vajra-NMD and Vajra10. I like the floating "Money $$$"  ;D

Yes, I agree that depending on our motivations, things can be used for positive or negative purposes. When it comes to motivation, whether one has money or not is besides the point.  If we have bad motivation, for example, to harm, exploit, cheat, control, etc. other sentient beings, then if we have money, it is easier to perform evil actions with the wealth we have. However, if we have good motivation to benefit others, then we can use our wealth in that way, for example, donating to charity and giving back to society.

When does money go from being a positive, to a negative force in our lives? When it becomes an obsession, and if it’s one of the last things we think about before going to sleep and when we wake up, then it is time to stop it from going further. If we become more concerned with money than we are with our relationships, our family, and our health, it is also a matter of concern.

Just like the Christians say “The love of money is the root of all evils”, so money itself is not the problem, it is our love/ obsession or attachment with money that is the problem. The root of evil is human desire, not the instrument (money and others) through which the desires are fulfilled.



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Re: Is money evil?
« Reply #50 on: March 31, 2017, 06:28:08 AM »
Money can be evil, can be magic, can be romantic, can be holy , can be spiritual and can be dangerous as a killing tool too. Money itself like everything in the universe, it is empty, it has no purpose on it until you put a name and value on it. The value really depends of how our mind work and wanted it to be. For today world, money can make life easier if you are not greedy on money. But who's not greedy? Money to many people is the root of happiness but we all know it's not. That's because our greedy mind will attach to it and believing that money will bring us happiness. Hence one of the vows for sangha is do not deal with money. Hence Buddha wanted his students and monks to beg for food for everything they need in their lives. Many mind training courses in Buddhist centres keep you away from money so that your mind can be more peaceful. If u live a simple life, money is just some basic things u need in your daily life. Money is a deep topic. You will understand more when you take your time to experience your life with mother nature and simplicity. When you know how little money you need actually. Keep an open mind. You will find the true value of money of your own. 

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Re: Is money evil?
« Reply #51 on: April 12, 2017, 03:27:49 PM »
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In my opinion, money is just a trading unit.

The point you and others on this thread miss, however, is that that which is most often called “money” is just debt money, or the fake representation of a wealth which does not exist issued by private moneylenders against interest, and serves only and strictly to deceive, disempower, impoverish, and enslave the people in general, while ensuring those clever private moneylenders almost infinite wealth, and power over the rest of humanity.

There is one specific people which prides itself of its adeptness in such enslaving moneylending practices. Their so-called religious scriptures forbid moneylending with interest among themselves, but encourages moneylending with interest to other peoples. They control most countries' central banks and financial system. They believe that all other peoples should accept their “god” and “prophets” and prescribe, and enact, mass death punishment against those uncomplying.

In the Kalachakra Tantra our teacher the Buddha inequivocally included them among the “mlecchas”, or barbarians, hell bent on destroying Buddhism and enslaving humanity.

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Re: Is money evil?
« Reply #52 on: April 12, 2017, 03:32:48 PM »
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Re: Is money evil?
« Reply #53 on: November 03, 2018, 05:06:16 PM »
Money itself is not evil. It is something we use to exchange for the things that we want with another person. Whether it is evil or not, it depends on the person who uses the money.

If the person uses the money to do non-virtuous acts such as drugs, the money becomes evil. If the money is used to help others, bring positive impacts to others, the money becomes a very good tool. Money as an object is actually quite neutral.

Therefore, it is actually ok to love money if we are going to use the money to help other people. It will help us collect merits and eventually become enlightened. However, if the money makes us more indulged in samsara, we will eventually end up in a bad place.

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Re: Is money evil?
« Reply #54 on: December 31, 2018, 06:40:34 AM »
I don't think money is evil. There is nothing in this world that is inherently evil. Money can become evil when we do not have self-control and attached to it or we use it with a bad motivation. That is when it becomes evil. Everyone needs money in this world to get basic necessities that we need to survive such as shelter, clothing, and food unless you live in a cave, use leaves as clothing and gather fruits for food.

If someone is not attached to money, and he lives a happy life being carefree and not constantly worrying about not enough money, I think in this case the money is not evil because it does not control his life. However, if one is very attached to his money and constantly worries about not getting enough money or losing his money, then the money is evil in his case. Don't forget that there are many people that create alot of negative karma in the process of seeking more money or preserving the money that they own.

Hence, we can see that money itself is not evil. It depends on the motivation and how much the person is attached to money which made it good or evil for that particular person. If we examine closer, anything that we are attached to, whether it is money, car, house, fame, and ego can become bad for us. That is why the real evil here is our attachment.

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Re: Is money evil?
« Reply #55 on: February 17, 2019, 03:32:09 PM »
Personally, I think money is not evil. Money is just an object, but it is neutral in nature, it is the motivation of the person who wants it and uses it that makes it good or evil. Money is important as our world is operated by money.

We will not be able to do a lot of things without money. We need money to pay for our bills, nothing comes free. Just being alive, we will need money. We need money for food, shelter and all the basic necessity.

Money does not tempt us into committing crimes, it is our greed for money that drives us to do that. Sometimes we use the money to do bad things that harm people. Therefore, money itself is not evil, it is our motivation and how we get and use the money that makes the money evil.

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Re: Is money evil?
« Reply #56 on: February 17, 2019, 07:36:13 PM »
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Personally, I think money is not evil. Money is just an object, but it is neutral in nature,

You confound money with wealth.

Wealth is not evil; if anything it is good, and money may be good as long as it does represent wealth.

However, what we call “money” nowadays is neither wealth nor a representation thereof.

Rather, what we nowadays call “money” is merely a representation of usurary debt. Such “money” is created by bankers (not by countries) out of nothing (and therefore is called “fiat money”) against a *debt* taken by the borrower, be it a private person, a company, or a country.

Notes and coins are just a representation of such fake money. Whole countries and their populations are thus enslaved and impoverished through this inflationary debt-money, created out of thin air by usurers. There is nothing “neutral” in this tool of enslavement and robbery.

Besides, such infinite indebtedness leaves whole countries at the mercy of interest rates dictated by central banks, themselves controlled by international, private usurers, as it happens with the US Federal Reserve (which is a privately-owned organization).

Indeed, artificially manipulated low and high interest rates cause artificial boom and bust cycles, and together with them environmental destruction, general impoverishment, social inequalities, violence, wars, and, of course, the accumulation of the countries' wealth and resources in the hands of the international moneylenders, the famous 1%.

When interest rates are low, inflation and debt increase, devaluating people's savings and ensnaring them and their countries in a debt-trap; when interest rates are high, economy shrinks, and borrowers go bankrupt and are forced to deliver their assets and resources into the hands of the moneylenders. In any case, moneylenders, which are the 1%, always win, and ordinary people, the 99%, invariably lose.

These are the seven years of fat cows followed by the seven years of meagre cows as “prophesised” by Joseph, the Hebrew finance minister of the Pharaoh according to the the Bible. In only fourteen years Egyptians were fully dispossessed of their whole wealth in their own country by the Jewish banker forerunner. This story illustrates the malignity of debt-money as a tool of collective impoverishment and disgrace.

Besides, such fake, evil money is at the root of every single war in our times. Britain, France, the US, and first and foremost the World Jewish Congress, waged war against Germany immediately after and because it nationalized the then private, Jewish-owned Deutsche Bank in 1933. Otherwise such countries would be quite happy with Hitler, as they are nowadays with Neonazi Ukrainians. Also, it is well known that Jews friendly collaborated with Hitler before such nationalization.

Also, every single war or threat of war of our times is waged by US and its vassals such as UK etc., and is nothing but a punishment for non-compliance with the moneylenders' demands. Look at Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba, Russia, and China, and you will see that such countries have something in common, which is such non-compliance.

Tibetan feudal landlords, which used to exploit and enslave 95% of Tibetans before their peaceful liberation with the Chinese broterly help, where adept at usurary moneylending. That's why they so joyfully associate with Western countries, themselves controlled by moneylenders, and that's why China is anathema to them, because the evil activity of such moneylenders is duly and effectively curtailed in China, including Tibet.

Therefore, there's definitely nothing good in such an perverse tool of exploitation, impoverishment, and destruction of both humanity and nature as that which is nowadays called “money”.

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Re: Is money evil?
« Reply #57 on: February 17, 2019, 07:42:41 PM »
* Tibetan feudal landlords, which used to exploit and enslave 95% of Tibetans before their peaceful liberation with the Chinese broterly help, were adept at usurary moneylending. That's why so joyfully associated with Western countries, themselves controlled by moneylenders, and that's why China is anathema to them, because the evil activity of such moneylenders is duly and effectively curtailed in China, including Tibet.

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Re: Is money evil?
« Reply #58 on: March 25, 2019, 03:06:09 AM »
I grew up in a situation where money was very very tight and my parents constantly fighting about not having enough money for our family needs. On top of that, my father was obligated to send money to his parents because he was the one who graduated from university and had a "proper job". This is even though he has 6 other working siblings who could help just as well. Even then, money had never been my main concern other than that it pays for the necessity of life. In today's world, money is God. Every advertisement we see are geared towards us having to be rich to enjoy life and that we need to be "in" high flying society to be successful. That is why there are so much mental sufferings in this world as we try to match what society is selling us. Money is neutral and it is only evil or not based on our usage and motivations. So we should be clear in our practice to learn control and not be controlled by greed for money. Hence, the practice of generosity is one of the best remedies for us to gain happiness.