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Drukpa Kagyu Practices Dorje Shugden
« on: November 04, 2012, 03:23:55 PM »
Reading the article one can't help but feel even more faith towards Dorje Shugden. Dorje Shugden is not just practiced by Gelug lamas or practitioners but also the other Tibetan traditions.  How can Manjushri or buddha
be sectarian this  does not make any sense at all.


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Re: Drukpa Kagyu Practices Dorje Shugden
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2012, 04:44:27 AM »
I found this particularly interesting because I did not know that the Drukpa Kagyus also practiced Dorje Shugden in their history. I had only heard of the Sakya and Gelugpa link. This again supports the fact that Dorje Shugden is non-sectarian.

I also thought that it was interesting that Jigme Norbu did not want to be ordained despite being recognized as the mind incarnation of the Zhabdrung. Perhaps this was because he had not wanted to be involved in the secular work of the Desi. Being eventually suspected of political shenanigans was probably a good reason.

This reminded me of the modern day reincarnations like Lama Osel and HH Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche who decided to give back their ordination vows. Perhaps it is because of political reasons too.
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Re: Drukpa Kagyu Practices Dorje Shugden
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2012, 12:34:34 PM »
Lets not forget that Pabongkha, Trijang and Zong Rinpoche all have shown that they have full mastery of the Nyingma, Sakya and Kagyu scriptures. From time to time, they will talk about the other traditions and stories about Guru Rinpoche or masters from the other traditions, but they do not spread the core teachings of those traditions. Why? because they do not want to confuse others. This alone would make a lot of people wonder whether or not they are truly sectarian or that they do actually know everything, just that they choose not to share. People who take things on a surface level and do not investigate not only acquire a lot of negative karma for believing in heresy and gossip, they also seal their chance for liberation. On this logical basis, it cannot be said that Dorje Shugden is sectarian. He does not like people who dilute the pure teachings of Lama Tsongkhapa because that would lead to confusion. It is different from seeing our own tradition as more superior than the others and looking down on the other traditions.


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Re: Drukpa Kagyu Practices Dorje Shugden
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2012, 10:08:43 AM »
Yes,this interesting article shows that Dorje Shugden is also a Protector practice of  the Nyingmas. In fact, in the Drukpa Kagyu lineage, not only did Jigme Norbu, the Fourth Zhabdrung Mind Incarnation, practice and propitiate Dorje Shugden , but  the 17th Century Enlightened Lineage Master of the same Drukpa lineage, Drubwang Dreuley, also propitiated and practiced Dorje Shugden. Both these Drukpa Kagyu lineage masters had composed prayers and rituals in praise of Shugden as an Enlightened Protector. This shows that the Shugden practice is not  a sectarian practice.

Furthermore, the fact that as early as the 17th century, Dorje Shugden was already practiced by Drubwang Dreuley, nullifies the accusation that it was Pabongka Rinpoche who had started the Dorje Shugden practice and that therefore the Shugden practice has only a short history.


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Re: Drukpa Kagyu Practices Dorje Shugden
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2012, 07:48:11 AM »
Thank you for this article and it is always a joy to hear praises to Dorje Shugden, and especially so when the praise is written by lamas from other sects which directly refutes the wrongful claim that Dorje Shugden is a jealous Gelugpa god or worldly spirit, bent on destroying the practices of the other Tibetan sects.

In this article, it is confirmed that Jigme Norbu, the Mind Emanation of the Zandrung himself refers to Dorje Shugden as the collection of all Buddha's powers which is totally consistent with Dorje Shugden's enlightened nature. The King Protector has always been a defender of the Dharma regardless of the tradition by which one pursues the Dharma.


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Re: Drukpa Kagyu Practices Dorje Shugden
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2012, 06:28:52 PM »
Dorje Shugden is an universal dharma protector who arose to protect Nagarjuna's view.  This protector has the unenviable task of protecting Nagarjuna's view not just for the sake of Gelug schools but for the benefit of the buddha dharma in general. We are now in the age of darkness, the kali yuga, hence beings with very little merits can view buddha's like Je Pabongka as just any other Rinpoche or lama. The fact that dorje shugden is practiced in the other traditions besides meant that it is meant to be practiced by  all.  The earliest people who have engaged in the practice were the Sakyas, from there it proliferated to the other 3 traditions.


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Re: Drukpa Kagyu Practices Dorje Shugden
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2012, 06:48:48 PM »
What have we been saying? An enlightened being is an enlightened being. How can Manjushri be sectarian? Buddhas are not sectarian. Their mind is essentially the same, just that their physical form is different. Their motivation and mindstream is the same - they want to help all sentient beings regardless. So all Buddhas work from that same motivation - to benefit others.

I was wondering what the Drukpa Kagyu is so I did a little research and for those who are interested to know too, here it is:

A Brief History of the Glorious Drukpa Kagyu Lineage

The Drukpa Kagyu is a wonderful lineage of spiritual practice that stems from Je Gampopa and the latter's disciple Phagmo Drupa. The Tibetan name "Druk" means "dragon", and the Sri Drukpa Kagyu is therefore known as the Dragon School of the great Kagyu family.

The chief of all Lamas for the Dragon School is Guru Padmasambhava, the "second Buddha," and every tenth day of the lunar month special rituals are celebrated in his honour. So popular is this School that in Kham, eastern Tibet, there was the saying: "Half the people are Drukpa, half the Drukpa are wandering Yogins, and half of these Yogins are enlightened saints!" This is because the teachings of the Drukpa Kagyu especially focused on meditation practice.

The following briefly gives you the history of the Drukpa lineage:

Phagmo Drupa Dorje Gyalpo (1110-1170)

Phagmo Drupa was born in Kham in far eastern Tibet. At the age of four he took the vows of a novice monk and began his training on the spiritual path. He traveled to central Tibet to receive further training from masters residing in the vicinity.

He received his training from a series of masters, including the head of the Sakyapa school, who taught him the complete Lam-Dre teachings. Thus he attained mastery in Buddhist Philosophy and a technical understanding of the Sutras and Tantras.

Nevertheless, Phagmo Drupa realized that this was not enough; he needed the guidance of a qualified Yogi to transform his meditation into direct realization. He therefore placed himself at the feet of Gampopa. Sometime after a brief discussion with the latter, Phagmo Drupa experienced a sudden awakening into the true nature of his own mind, and thereby fully realized ultimate Truth. During the next few days, following this experience, Phagmo Drupa completely mastered the full and direct realization of Mahamudra.

For the remainder of his life, Phagmo Drupa continued to practice meditation with unceasing perseverance, serving as an example to others. He later founded a monastery in central Tibet, and had innumerable disciples.

Lingchen Repa Pema Dorje

Lingchen Repa Pema Dorje, was born in the village of Langpo Na in the Nyang Tod district of south-central Tibet. He was the youngest of four children born to Gyalpo Kyongwai, a Tantric practitioner, and his wife Shugmo Darchung.

Lingchen Repa studied under several teachers, one of whom was a doctor in medicine. On the advice of Lama Khyung Tsangpa, Lingchen Repa became a monk and received his ordination vows from Geshe Womthangpa. Then, at the age of 37, he decided to travel to Bhutan to contemplate and meditate. However, before leaving, one night he dreamt that a man in white appeared before him and inspected his body from head to toe. The man said, "Don't go to Bhutan. Your soul-purpose will be fulfilled in four and a half years time." So Lingchen Repa abandoned his plans of traveling to Bhutan.

Four years later, Lingchen Repa heard the name of Phagmo Drupa, and decided to request Phagmo Drupa's teachings. He therefore traveled to where Phagmo Drupa was then living. On the sight of the Guru, Lingchen Repa was immediately filled with devotion.

After receiving the teachings of Phagmo Drupa, Lingchen Repa spent the remainder of his life in solitary retreat, and because he too wore the white cotton cloth and led the life of a yogi, he was known as a "Repa". His spiritual accomplishments gained him a widespread reputation as a great saint.

1st Gyalwang Drukpa Rinpoche (1161-1211)

Dro-gon Tsangpa Gyare Yeshe Dorje, the 1st Gyalwang Drukpa, was born in Nyangto Shulay in southern Tibet, amidst miraculous signs and auspicious omens. As he was born fully wrapped in a membrane, his superstitious parents were so fearful that they abandoned him. He was, however, saved and brought up by some yogis and yoginis. The news of his unusual birth soon spread, and attracted many people to gather around his residence so as to receive his blessings.

When Tsangpa Gyare grew up, he became a disciple of Lingchen Repa, mastering Mahamudra and the Six Yogas of Naropa. Through refining prana (energy) in the nadis (subtle channels), and through the practice of Kundalini (Tib: gtum-mo), he became immune to extremes of heat and cold. Even in the snowy mountains he wore only a white cotton robe, and he too was known, like his Guru, as a "repa", a cotton-clad yogi.

After attaining complete spiritual realization, Tsangpa Gyare went to Lodrak in Central Tibet. There he revealed a treasure of esoteric instructions called "The Six Equal Tastes," which Rechungpa, the moon-like disciple of Milarepa, had brought back from India and hidden, to be rediscovered at the opportune time by the appropriate person for the benefit of future generations.

Tsangpa Gyare founded the Shedrup Chos-kor Ling Monastery at Ralung in southern Tibet at the command of his root guru, Lingchen Repa, who told him to teach widely. Thereafter, Tsangpa Gyare went to central Tibet in order to establish a large monastic center in a place especially suitable for spiritual practice.

The monastery that was established there, Druk Sewa Changchub Ling ("The Ultimate Dragon Enlightenment Centre"), became the principal monastery of the Drukpa Kargyu for a long time, and the place came to be known as "Nam Druk", which literally means "Sky Dragon". Thus, the lineage became known as the Glorious Dragon Lineage, or Sri Drukpa Kagyu.

Tsangpa Gyare was a famous teacher whose teachings were sometimes attended by as many as 5,000 people at a time. It was reported that he had 8,800 eminent followers, of whom 280 were enlightened yogis. His lineage became famous for the yogic asceticism of its adherents and the profundity of its spiritual teachings.

Tsangpa Gyare passed away at the age of 51. Hard though it may be to believe, it is said that when his body was cremated, it was found that his skull bore the images of Arya Manjusri, Avalokiteshvara and Vajrapani, and further images of Arya Tara could be seen on the vertebrates of his spinal column. Because, in particular, the relics of Tsangpa Gyare manifested different forms of Avalokitesvara, the Bodhisattva of Great Compassion, his devotees believed strongly that he was indeed an emanation of that Bodhisattva. This explains why Tsangpa Gyare returns again and again, life after life, to watch over the welfare of his students.

Tsangpa Gyare left a prophecy stating that he would be succeeded by nine Dragon throne-holders, each having the term "Senge" (lion) in their name. After that, there would come three further throne-holders, who would be viewed as living embodiments or emanations (tulku) of Manjusri, Vajrapani, and Avalokiteshvara, respectively. Then, and only then, after the death of the last of these throne-holders, Tsangpa Gyare would return to guide the Drukpa lineage personally, as the 2nd Gyalwang Drukpa. This is in effect what happened.

Amongst Tsangpa Gyare's students, Gyalwa Go-tsang-pa spread the Drukpa tradition in western Tibet and his followers came to be known as the Upper Drukpa School. The followers of Choje Lo-repa, another of his students, branched out to form the Lower Drukpa School. Onray Dharma Senge started the Central Drukpa School and another disciple, Phajo Drugom Zhigpo (1184 - 1251), left for Bhutan following the commnd of Tsangpa Gyare who instructed him to go south of Tibet. He founded the first Drukpa monasteries in Bhutan at Phachok Deng and Tago. Thus the Drukpa School spread far and wide.

2nd Gyalwang Drukpa Rinpoche (1428-1476)

 The 2nd Gyalwang Drukpa, Kunga Paljor, was not born until two centuries after the time of Tsangpa Gyare. This does not mean there may not have been intermediate incarnations, only that none were recognized or discovered, and none held the throne of the Drukpa school. However, exactly as predicted, during these two centuries, there were nine lineage successors, each of whom bore the title or name of "Senge". History also records that these lineage holders of the Drukpa were very learned scholars (pandits), although their greatest achievement was in the exercise of meditation. Also in line with prophesy, the first nine Dragons were followed by three further spiritual leaders, each of whom was duly recognized in turn as emanations of Manjushri, Vajrapani and Avalokiteshvara.

Kunga Paljor was highly respected for his achievement in the fields of Metaphysics, Philosophy and Sanskrit language. As he was a significant scholar, he often was invited to give teachings. His outstanding disciples were the Three "Crazy-Wisdom Yogis" of Tibet, namely Drukpa Kunley, U-nyon and Tsang-nyon. The 2nd Drukpa Gyalwang was also the teacher of the renowned yogi Tangtong Gyalpo, later to be reincarnated as Kalu Rinpoche.

The Divine Fool Drukpa Kunley (1455-1520) is still one of the most beloved and revered sages of Tibetan Buddhism. With his wandering lifestyle, his eccentric and shocking behavior, he taught the essence of the Dharma in ways that may have seemed very humorous, but was actually acutely profound. His songs and speeches are full of a crude peasant earthiness, which won the hearts of the common people all over Tibet, Bhutan, Ladakh, and Mongolia.

3rd Gyalwang Drukpa Rinpoche (1478-1523)

 Jamyang Chodrak, the 3rd Gyalwang, was an erudite and accomplished scholar. He was a master of both Kagyu and Nyingma transmissions. Thus the Drukpa School today is very much a union of the teachings and devotional practices of both the Kagyu and Nyingma.

During one three-month meditation period, Jamyang Chodrak also received esoteric pith-instructions in a visionary manner from Rechungpa, Milarepa's moon-like disciple.

The 3rd Gyalwang was famous for displaying miraculous powers. Frequently he was seen in levitation during meditation, and sometimes, during certain practices, his vajra and bell were also seen rising up and floating in the air.

4th Gyalwang Drukpa Rinpoche (1527-1592), Pema Karpo

Shortly after his birth, Pema Karpo (or Padma Karpo), the 4th Drukpa spiritual head, was heard by many chanting the Six-Syllable Mantra seven times, and therefore, as a child, he was also known as "Ah-Om-Mani-Pa", i.e. the child who chants the Six-Syllable Mantra.

Pema Karpo came to be widely known as "Kunkhyen", meaning "the Omniscient One". He has been by far the most famous of all the Drukpa Gyalwangs due to his great wisdom. During his lifetime, he was known as the greatest Lama amongst all the lamas, and was a teacher to many all over Tibet. His Holiness the 5th Dalai Lama truly admired Pema Karpo for his knowledge and understanding of the Truth.

Pema Karpo Rinpoche contributed 24 volumes of collected works on Tibetan Buddhist philosophy, logic, literature, history and astronomy, which have been studied by all schools and traditions to this day. He constructed the great monastery of Druk Sang-ngak Chos-ling ("The Dharma Centre of the Drukpa Secret Mantra") at Jar in southern Tibet, and transferred the seat of the Drukpa school to that centre.

Before passing away, Pema Karpo promised that he would take birth in two separate incarnations, so as to propagate the spiritual lineage. In accordance with this prophecy, two incarnations were discovered.

5th Gyalwang Drukpa Rinpoche (1593-1653)

The 5th Drukpa throne holder, Pagsam Wangpo, was born in Chongye (in Tsang, western Tibet) into the same family as the 5th Dalai Lama. He was an extraordinary yogi, and spent many years alone in solitary meditation retreat. During his time, the Drukpa lineage was most popular in the Himalayan range around northern India, and Pagsam Wangpo received the royal patronage of many kings in the area. He was a unique yogi as he spent most of his time in solitary retreat.

Pagsam Wangpo had many disciples, the most important of whom was the yogi Tag-tsang-repa, who went to Ladakh at the request of the Buddhist king of that region Senge Namgyal (1570-1642). In Ladakh, Tag-tsang Rinpoche founded the Hemis Monastery, which remains the principal Drukpa monastery in the area to this day.

 Pagsam Wangpo's other disciples were the 1st Dzigar Choktrul Rinpoche, who founded the Dzigar Monastery, and the 1st Khamtrul Rinpoche, who established the Kham-gar Monastery, in La-thog, eastern Tibet. Both monasteries have been renowned for strict discipline, meditation and the performance of unique Tantric practices. Kham-gar monastery, under the leadership of the Khamtrul incarnations, became the head of almost two hundred branch monasteries.

Pema Karpo's other reincarnation, Shabdrung Ngawang Namgyal (1594-1651), was born into the royal Gya family. He was the 18th Abbot of Ralung, the first Drukpa monastery to be established in Tibet. Following the prophecy of Pema Karpo, Shabdrung Ngawang Namgyal left for western Bhutan, where the Drukpa Kargyu School had already been established, and founded the Cheri Monastery in 1619 in Thimphu valley. In 1629, he founded his first fortress, Dzong Simtokha, near Thimphu. As the temporal and spiritual ruler of Bhutan, Shabdrung Ngawang Namgyal unified Bhutan for the first time in its history.

6th Gyalwang Drukpa Rinpoche (1654-1717)

Mipham Wangpo, the 6th Drukpa throne holder, was born in Lhodrak Kharchu. He was discovered by the 5th Dalai Lama and spent most of his teenage years in the Palace of the Dalai Lama in Lhasa. He was an erudite master who excelled at debating with the most learned Geshes (doctors of divinity) at the three large monastic universities of Lhasa: Ganden, Drepung, and Sera. He was important politically during his day, and acted as a mediator during the war between Tibet and Ladakh.

7th Gyalwang Drukpa Rinpoche (1718-1766)

Thinley Shingta, the 7th throne holder, was one of a trio of extraordinary Kagyu Lamas, of whom the other two were the Gyalwa Karmapa and Tai Situ Rinpoche. He was extremely active in assuring the preservation and promulgation of both the Kagyu and Nyingma traditions.

Thinley Shingta wrote six volumes of philosophical commentaries and meditation instruction. He established many monasteries. As official counselor to the king of Nepal, he restored the three principal stupas in the country: Swayambhunath, Boudhanath, and Namo Buddha. At Swayambhunath, there is a memorial rock describing the meritorious deeds of the 7th Gyalwang Drukpa Rinpoche.

8th Gyalwang Drukpa Rinpoche (1768-1822)

 Kunzig Mipham Chokyi Nangwa, the 8th throne holder was an enlightened sage who received numerous revelations from dakinis and higher spiritual beings. He wrote many volumes about the oral teachings and rituals of the Kagyu. During his lifetime, he was made the official priest to the Tibetan Government. He also performed the consecration rites after the Tibetan Government restored Samye monastery. During these rites many auspicious omens prevailed.

He was famous for his power of prediction, and for recognizing and finding Tulkus, or incarnate lamas. It was Kunzig Mipham Chokyi Nangwa who officially recognized the 9th Dalai Lama, Lunthok Gyamtso and the Karmapa incarnation of his time.

9th Gyalwang Drukpa Rinpoche (1823-1883)

Mipham Chokyi Gyamtso, the 9th head of the school, was extremely close to both the 14th Karmapa, Theckchok Dorje, and the 8th Pawo Rinpoche. He spent most of his life meditating in solitude.

10th Gyalwang Drukpa Rinpoche (1884-1930)

Mipham Chokyi Wangpo, the 10th Drukpa throne holder, was the disciple of the supreme yogi-master, Drubwang Shakyasri. (Shakyasri was likewise the Guru of the renowned yogi master Tipun, whose direct disciple is Lama Chusang Rinpoche.) Mipham Chokyi Wangpo was not only a great contemplative, but he took an active role politically. When the British Younghusband Expedition came to Tibet in 1904, and the 13th Dalai Lama sought asylum in China, Mipham Chokyi Wangpo used influence with King Urgyen Wangchuk, the ruler of Bhutan, to seek the withdrawal of British forces from Tibet.

Foreseeing future difficulties for the Drukpa lineage, Mipham Chokyi Wangpo married the daughter of his Guru, the great siddha Shakyasri, and their son, Thuksay Rinpoche, was destined to carry on the Drukpa lineage in exile during the lives of both the 11th and the 12th Drukpa Gyalwangs.

Mipham Chokyi Wangpo was a truly great saint. When he was cremated, numerous relics were discovered among his ashes, including images of Avalokitesvara that are still among the Drukpa treasures.

11th Gyalwang Drukpa Rinpoche (1931-1960)

Tenzin Khyenrab Gelek Palsangpo, the 11th throne holder, was born in Lhasa and was recognized by many Lamas. He was the disciple of the exalted yogi Tripun, the root teacher of Bardok Chusang Rinpoche. Under Tripun's direction, Tenzin Khyenrab Gelek Palsangpo achieved authentic realization and became one of Tibet's great yogis. He received numerous Dzogchen instructions and empowerments from Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche, and spent the greater part of his life in solitary retreat practicing meditation.

During the Cultural Revolution in 1959, the 11th Gyalwang Drukpa Rinpoche, along with Thuksay Rinpoche, Bardok Chusang Rinpoche, Apho Rinpoche and others, were forced to flee Tibet. They were only able to take with them a few very sacred items from their monastery, since everything had to be carried on their backs. They successfully made it to India, but only after suffering many hardships. Unfortunately, Tenzin Khyenrab Gelek Palsangpo died soon after arriving in the refugee camp at Buxa, West Bengal, near the Bhutanese border in the year 1960.

It is said that prior to his passing, even though he was terribly ill and forced to live in appalling circumstances, he sat for days absorbed in deep meditation without sleeping. He then promised Thuksay Rinpoche that he would take birth again in this world, so as to continue serving the Dharma and the spiritual evolution of sentient beings. He said that he would take rebirth in India. Those were in fact his last words, and he passed away in a state of deep Samadhi.

12th Gyalwang Drukpa (b. 1967)

Jigme Pema Wangchen was born at the sacred lake of Pema Tso (Rewalsar), a place connected to Guru Padmasambhava and the Lady Mandarava. His father is a famous Dzogchen master named Zhichen Bairochana, nowadays commonly known as Bairo Rinpoche. His mother was Kelsang Yudron, an aristocratic lady from Lhodrak in southern Tibet. He was enthroned at the 8th Khamtrul Rinpoche's monastery in Dalhousie and later in his own monastery in Darjeeling.

At the age of four, he was taken to Darjeeling, where his main monastery is located. It was said that he could recognize some of the servants who had served the 11th Drukpa as soon as they came to visit him. He became the disciple of Thuksey Rinpoche and some of his teachers include His Holiness Dudjom Rinpoche, head of the Nyingma school, Kyabje Trulshik Rinpoche and Pawo Rinpoche.

The 12th Gyalwang Drukpa has re-established a home for the Drukpa lineage in Darjeeling and Kathmandu. Apart from the monasteries located in the Himalayan region, many Drukpa centres have been opened in Western countries and the Far East.
 Gyalwang Drukpa Rinpoche was educated in all the traditional teachings of the Drukpa Kagyu school, starting from the early age of six. Most of his traditional study and memorization was completed by the age of 13. Through the encouragement of His Holiness the Dalai Lama he continued his higher education under the great Nyingma master known as Ontrul Rinpoche.

He has a clear ability to convey the teachings of Buddhism in a way that seems directly relevant to the needs of our time. The simplicity, compassion and humour of his teaching has touched the hearts of all those who have come into contact with him. The 12th Drukpa throne-holder is now a highly regarded Lama who dedicates himself to bettering the lives of others, while still pursuing the spiritual and contemplative development of a true yogi.

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Re: Drukpa Kagyu Practices Dorje Shugden
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2012, 09:44:35 AM »
Thanks for the clear explanation Manjushri.  I do not know much about the Drukpa Kagyu lineage and thankyou for your clear information.  Since Dorje Shugden is practiced by other lineages, it also means that there is possibility that Dorje Shugden is also spread in other parts of Buddhism.  Just like now, Dorje Shugden also adopted by different other secs and races... These people could be Taoist background, Hindu etc.. I was told that Dorje Shugden's practice is well received in China and growing rapidly as we know that the Chinese mainly came from different kind of belief.  My point is that Dorje Shugden's mission has always been for the dharma to spread to the people, hence he is actually the elected universal protector of today.  Hence, he appears to be in different forms/methods to bring dharma to people in this degenerating age.


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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2012, 03:47:13 PM »
Isn't it obvious enough that Dorje Shugden is a non sectarian Dharma Protector? And well if he is not an Enlightened being... then like Nechung is also none sectarian hence where doea all this none sectarian twisted stories come from... it can only be from the none sectarian "humans".

But as we all know from all the lovely facts that has been presented that Dorje Shugden is Manjushri and an Enlightened beings mind does not see help us based on which sect we are from. They are all compassionate with equanimity hence there really isn't much basis to all the silly reasons being framed on Dorje Shugden and his practice. If Dorje Shugden was sectarian then he why would he help those from a different school and why would He be praise by such an erudite masters???

Isn't the practice of Buddhism to gain ENlightenment for the sake of all "sentient beings"?


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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2012, 05:52:37 PM »
We must also always remember that Dorje Shugden played a very central role in the practices and lineage of the Sakyas. The history even tells of how Dorje Shugden first travelled to Sakyas after he first arose as a Dharma protector, following the tragic death of his previous incarnation Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen. He was thus enthroned there as their protector and broadly propitiated by Sakyas for a good number of hundred years until he was then adopted over by the Gelugs and became more prominent there.

Another wonderful account of the Enlightened Lamas Series about a prominent Sakya lama who held a very close relationship with Dorje Shugden - so much so that it was believed that Dorje Shugden incarnated into the Sakya throneholder lineage itself:


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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2012, 03:27:08 AM »
I wouldn't be surprised if he's a protector of the Drukpa Kagyus, apart from the pointers which have been elaborated earlier posts by other members. Recently I found out a video of Kache Marpo who is enthroned as a senior protector of the Drikung Kagyus and we all very well know that Kache Marpo is the minister attendant of Dorje Shugden. It is safe to say that where Kache Marpo is, most likely Dorje Shugden will be present as well.

Actually I find it silly sometimes that the yellow hat people are trying our very best to tell other yellow hat people that Dorje Shugden is a protector when other schools of Buddhism has pretty much accepted this fact!
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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2012, 11:38:43 AM »
We must also always remember that Dorje Shugden played a very central role in the practices and lineage of the Sakyas. The history even tells of how Dorje Shugden first travelled to Sakyas after he first arose as a Dharma protector, following the tragic death of his previous incarnation Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen. He was thus enthroned there as their protector and broadly propitiated by Sakyas for a good number of hundred years until he was then adopted over by the Gelugs and became more prominent there.

Another wonderful account of the Enlightened Lamas Series about a prominent Sakya lama who held a very close relationship with Dorje Shugden - so much so that it was believed that Dorje Shugden incarnated into the Sakya throneholder lineage itself:

Dorje Shugden has a very intimate and close relationship with the Sakya tradition. Dorje Shugden's first incarnation is Virupa, whom which the Sakyas draw their teachings from. Dorje Shugden appeared again in their tradition as Sakya Pandita, one of the 5 founding fathers Sakya. He reappeared again as Buton Rinpoche  who compiled the Kangyur and the Tengyur. The most recent was that he reappeared as the father of the current Sakya Trinzin. it is not surprising that we will find old statues and thangkas and liturgies of Dorje Shugden within the Sakya tradition.


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Re: Drukpa Kagyu Practices Dorje Shugden
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2018, 09:52:58 AM »
The latest information about the Zhabdrung Rinpoche's of Bhutan is on this article ->

All the previous Zhabdrung Rinpoches have been murdered it seems.

Think the Bhutanese monarchy should fear the Zhabdrung Rinpoche and let thing be, let it flow like river water. Bhutan has started its path on the constitutional monarchy a wise choice, since not many people rely on divine rights anymore.


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Re: Drukpa Kagyu Practices Dorje Shugden
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2018, 02:54:00 PM »
This article also very astutely highlights CTA’s double standards, hypocrisy and obvious political machinations for their own benefit. As we all know, CTA is never about serving the interests of Tibetans but rather their own. Take for this instance, why only condemn China and not Bhutan when the manner in which the 10th Zhabdrung Rinpoche was treated i.e.

•   The young 10th Zhabdrung who was recognised by the 17th Karmapa Ogyen Trinley, was subsequently invited to Bhutan to face Bhutan’s reincarnation committee, set up by the government to validate all tulku recognitions.
•   Thus the 10th Zhabdrung Rinpoche travelled to Bhutan accompanied by his parents as well as the oracle who had recognized him.
•   Upon their arrival in Thimphu, the oracle was promptly thrown in jail while the boy and his parents were held in a secret location.
•   The 10th Zhabdrung Rinpoche was then declared to be a fake and, instead of being released, he and his parents were put under house arrest. Their current whereabouts remain unknown; the last reports about them are in 2014, when they were said to have still been under house arrest. Nothing was published about their release, and reports about the 10th Zhabdrung Rinpoche residing in Kalimpong remain unconfirmed.

is SIMILAR to the case of the 14th Dalai Lama’s candidate for 11th Panchen Lama where the Dalai Lama’s candidate disappeared shortly after being recognised. For many years, the young reincarnation was believed to be kidnapped or killed off by China until the Dalai Lama’s recent confirmation from reliable sources that he was alive and receiving good education.

Of course, it would be like the pot calling the kettle black if CTA was to condemn either China and Bhutan for such matters since CTA are guilty of such methods themselves. To name one, China has a list of officially-recognized tulkus and Bhutan has their reincarnation committee. The Tibetan government have the exact same thing in the form of the Dalai Lama. Any reincarnations who do not meet with the Dalai Lama’s approval are shunned and segregated by the community.


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Re: Drukpa Kagyu Practices Dorje Shugden
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2018, 09:37:22 PM »
Bhutan is another country that is wrongly mystified by the western media just like Tibet. In actual fact, its people is similar to Tibetans: barbaric, rude and vulgar. Just recently, when this news was posted on Facebook, the Bhutanese all left rude and vulgar comments that are filled with the F word and the images of male reproductive organ. This is how Dorje Shugden people's Facebook pages look like due to the ban. The difference is, those rude comments on Shugden from Tibetans are instructed and paid by the CTA because Tibetans are pure traitors, no integrity. This is why they have lost their country.

Bhutan is slightly sophisticated, so they manage to keep their country. Their king is obviously more powerful than the Tibetan king that people hardly heard of. The Dalai Lama is way more famous and powerful for Tibet. In Bhutan, their king rule the country, while the spiritual head Je Khenpo supposedly takes care of the country's spiritual matter. Their king is more powerful than Je Khenpo for obvious reasons: to make sure Je Khenpo is always under control and stay out of the political power, in essence, but their 70th Je Khenpo banned Dorje Shugden in Bhutan.

In the case of the Zhabdrung Rinpoches, it is somehow similar to that of Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen who was seen as a threat to the 5th Dalai Lama's political power at that time. After his passing, the Tibetan Leadership, now the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA), destroyed his ladrang, confiscated all his belongings and do not allowed the search of his reincarnation. Various reincarnations of Zhabdrung were found, however most of them were not recognised, poisened, assassinated or were imprisoned for life, most of his reincarnations were not allowed to fulfill their purposes because the kings were afraid to lose their power.

Bhutan is being portrayed as a peaceful country with beautiful landscape and the Bhutanese is the happiest people on earth. All these are nothing but a propaganda for tourism and they are still very much ruled by dictatorship and false democracy just like TIbet. This post is a good read to broaden our knowledge on the Tibetan political scene and how much lies the media have been pouring into the mainstream media to the general public.