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Dorje Shugden Initiation to 5000 People at Chamdo, Tibet
« on: April 14, 2011, 12:23:31 PM »
In early 2011 at Jinka Monastery in Dingqing County of Chamdo, Tibet, Khenpo Zongluo Jampa Khedrup Rinpoche of Chamdo Jampa Ling Monastery gave Dorje Shugden initiation to around 5,000 people!














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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2011, 02:17:22 PM »
Awesome! Thank you for these pictures. I'm so happy to see how strong Dorje Shugden practice is in Chamdo, Tibet! Amazing that 5000 people received this holy initiation. Now that Tibet is part of China, Dorje Shugden can be freely and publicly practised in Tibet. Ironic really.

Incidentally, i looked for more info on Jampaling Monastery and found these cool videos and pictures: http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=81. Jampaling looks like a mini city! I love it!
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2011, 03:17:51 PM »
Awesome! Thank you for these pictures. I'm so happy to see how strong Dorje Shugden practice is in Chamdo, Tibet! Amazing that 5000 people received this holy initiation. Now that Tibet is part of China, Dorje Shugden can be freely and publicly practised in Tibet. Ironic really.

Incidentally, i looked for more info on Jampaling Monastery and found these cool videos and pictures: http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=81. Jampaling looks like a mini city! I love it!



Awesome pictures Mana. Thank you.

Jampaling Monastery was built by Lama Tsongkhapa's diciple in 1444. It is still standing strong and grand. Yes, it does look like a mini city.

So great to hear that so many monks received Dorje Shugden Initiation in Chamdo. Dalai Lama bans Dorje Shugden practice in his exile home India but back in his home country Tibet, DS initiation is given. Like WB said, how ironic!!!

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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2011, 04:39:21 PM »
Such a distinquised and charismatic looking Abbot. How kind of him to uphold the lineage of our lamas and bless so many with the initiation of Dorje Shugden.

The Tibetan Govt in exile cannot offer the Tibetans in Tibet ironically religious freedom.

This great abbot with great courage, knowledge and compassion steadfastly held on to his practice and dissimenates to so many. May his life be very long and prayers be fulfilled.

Such empowering news. Thanks very much for the post.

I really admire and appreciate this forum so much. We can get diverse news on Dorje Shugden from all around the world. Even from places as remote as Tibet. Much gratitude from someone living far away from other practitioners.

« Last Edit: April 14, 2011, 04:41:41 PM by Mana »

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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2011, 06:00:14 PM »
Beautiful pictures!

There's a lot to rejoice in the forum today!

I noticed there's a lot of very young monks in the pictures - this is encouraging to know that practice is still strong and respected in the younger generations in Tibet and also that there is a new generation learning, studying and preparing to continue the lineage into the future.

Indirectly, it will also benefit China and the surrounding regions of course, so it does not just mean that 5000 people receive the initiation. the number grows exponentially because out of this 5000, I'm sure there will be many who go on to teach and grant the initiation to more in the future.

Like I said, a lot to rejoice in today!

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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2011, 12:27:07 PM »
Thank you for posting the pictures, Mana.  I won't be able to imagine how the initiation scene would look like without it.  It's really great to know that Dorje Shugden practice is still so much alive.  Initiation given to 5,000 monks is very wonderful because some of them will become eminent teachers and practitioners themselves and bring this practice to even more people.

I share the same sentiments with WB and Triesa.  How ironic.  Dorje Shugden practice is flourishing in Tibet while Dalai Lama bans this practice for Tibetan in his exile home in India. 

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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2011, 07:37:01 PM »
What a glorious post and a cause to rejoice!

Personally, I think it is incredibly beautiful to see that Dorje Shugden is flourshing in Tibet and outside of Tibet, with more monasteries being built or opening up. And more monks going into these monasteries. In time, all the young Tulkus will be of the right age to command the world stage. And those who keep opposing Dorje Shugden practice are not getting any younger. Time is on our side, on Dorje Shugden's side.

Such beautiful pictures. Thank you for this. Makes me really happy to read this.
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2011, 08:02:53 PM »
In the future after the HH Dalai Lama haspassed away, there is only one direction the Dorje Shugden practice/lineage/practitioners can go. That is up.

Whatever the Dalai Lama has said and done 'against' Shugden is only temporary. He has made Shugden famous. He continues to do so by keeping the ban in place. All the superficial practitioners have dropped off. But the hardcore ones are strong and remain steadfast. Many young Tulkus and Geshes are in the making. Even the supreme tulkus such as Trijang, Pabongka, etc are laying low for now and HAVE NOT RENOUNCED DORJE SHUGDEN. THAT IS A FACT THEY HAVE NOT RENOUNCED. Under the huge pressure of the ban, they have not forsaken the practice of Dorje Shugden. They are old enough where they can think for themselves and not be 'forced' to practice by their old attendants. Yet they choose to practice. You do not see Trijang Rinpoche nor Pabongka Rinpoche attending any events by the Dalai Lama. Their lack of attendance leaves a huge vacuum. Everyone within the Gelug systems knows it and so do they as well as the Dalai Lama. How many more Tulkus, Geshes and people have quietly opted out of any involvement with the Dalai Lama. They choose to be quiet not because they are cowards, but perhaps they choose to quietly spread the practice in preparation for the time where they can come out in the open with it. Some come out in the open, some wait. Everyone has their tactics and their own methods. Everyone has the right to choose their methods irrelevant of what anyone may think. Not joining in Dalai Lama's activities and quietly practicing shows their great courage and skillful means.

You do not see Trijang Rinpoche,  Pabongka Rinpoche, Yongyal Rinpoche, Gonsar Rinpoche, etc etc going around protesting against the Dalai Lama with placards. That does not mean they are cowards or they are afraid. It means they are just waiting. That is their right. No one should criticize them for their methods. They and many lamas shoulder the responsibility of bringing dharma to so many during this age of materialism. Their courage does not need to be shown or manifest in the form of protests or open statements about their practice. Everyone has their reasoning and path to tread.

So many Tulkus, Geshes and people are practicing Dorje Shugden quietly. So many continue to not protest or 'fight' against the Dalai Lama. They know it is a matter of time before the ban becomes ineffective and ignored.
There will be no one of consequence or lasting effect to defend the ban later. Buddhism will take root in democratic countries and all will practice according to their democratic choice. In the future if one centre forbids/disparages other centres for practicing, they can be presented a law suit for debasement or something similar. To discourage others from one centre or group because of Dorje Shugden will infringe upon democratic laws that protect the freedom of worship. It would be a serious matter to cross the line. In the future, no one can stop Dorje Shugden's practice because they are protected by the law.

Any lamas who come into prominence will never have the same speaking power as the Dalai Lama once did, if they should speak out of line, it would not serve their purpose in the long run. They would be seen as sectarian, biased or self serving.

Everyone should be patient for a little while longer. Within our lifetime Shugden will take root all over the world. After we are gone, it will continue to grow and expand. We should be adamant about our participation in Shugden's growth. We will keep up our practice and dissemination of information on Shugden. Instead of just protests which may be good for some, we must disseminate information on Shugden's history, background, nature, benefits and practice. Through logic and patience Shugden's practice will prevail.

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Re: Dorje Shugden Initiation to 5000 People at Chamdo, Tibet
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2011, 09:33:58 AM »
Good post TK  :)


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Re: Dorje Shugden Initiation to 5000 People at Chamdo, Tibet
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2011, 01:45:05 PM »
You do not see Trijang Rinpoche,  Pabongka Rinpoche, Yongyal Rinpoche, Gonsar Rinpoche, etc etc going around protesting against the Dalai Lama with placards. That does not mean they are cowards or they are afraid. It means they are just waiting. That is their right. No one should criticize them for their methods. They and many lamas shoulder the responsibility of bringing dharma to so many during this age of materialism. Their courage does not need to be shown or manifest in the form of protests or open statements about their practice. Everyone has their reasoning and path to tread.

TK

Fantastic post. There is a lot to look forward to, such hope!
 
It is perfect timing, and compassionate of the Dalai Lama to also "renounce" his political power at this time, handing it over to his government... especially at a time when the ban is very strong. He enforces a ban, and then.... leaves? Leaves it hanging in mid air? Leaves it to a political body to manage a spiritual issue (when he passes away?) Surely no head of state would leave such a huge and central decision hanging like this as he steps down.

Cue the many great Lamas that TK has mentioned - trijang rinpoche, pabongkha rinpoche, gonsar rinpoche, gangchen rinpoche.

What touches me most - my eyes drop fat tears when I think about this - is how the lamas have never once spoken a bad word against the Dalai Lama, they don't hold placards to denounce him. In fact, they advise always to be patient and have respect for the dalai lama, always have respect....

They prove the greatness of Dorje Shugden by their own pure practice, patience and quietness. They have grown huge followings of students who are also taught the same way - to practice, be patient and keep to this quietness. It is a quiet "storm". It is this goodness, patience, quietness that wins the hearts of the world and in the end, they will be the ones to "take over" the spiritual stage once His Holiness leaves it. As the core lineageholders of the Gelugpas, there is no place for them to go but centrestage and they will have nothing bad against them because they have only upheld goodness, patience and proven that in spite of all the obstacles they have had, they remained purely practitioners...

They prove to the world the real nature of Dorje Shugden which is wisdom and compassion. Which says a lot more than the camp that is ostracising, bullying and attacking them, all in the name of loyalty to his holiness... So in the end, who will the world listen to and begin to believe?... let's see.

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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2011, 09:17:28 AM »
They choose to be quiet not because they are cowards, but perhaps they choose to quietly spread the practice in preparation for the time where they can come out in the open with it. Some come out in the open, some wait. Everyone has their tactics and their own methods. Everyone has the right to choose their methods irrelevant of what anyone may think.

TK, you post in the this thread moved me deeply. To be honest, it moved me to tears.

So many people have suffered and are still suffering to this day. Some can be seen and some can never be seen. Criticism from both inside and outside never fails to shock me to this day. We are all coping as best as we can. There is no need to make things any more difficult or negative than necessary.

You are so right. Everyone has the right to choose their methods and ways. The point is they did not give up. Let us all respect that and not just question anyone's motive. We do not know their story. We do not know what they are facing.

I hope you would allow me to extract your words and put them together in a video. I think your words are important because it advises everyone to cultivate a higher understanding and not be so judgmental.

Thank you for putting things in such a touching perspective. This is a truly beautiful post.

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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2011, 06:42:41 PM »
In the future after the HH Dalai Lama haspassed away, there is only one direction the Dorje Shugden practice/lineage/practitioners can go. That is up.

Whatever the Dalai Lama has said and done 'against' Shugden is only temporary. He has made Shugden famous. He continues to do so by keeping the ban in place. All the superficial practitioners have dropped off. But the hardcore ones are strong and remain steadfast. Many young Tulkus and Geshes are in the making. Even the supreme tulkus such as Trijang, Pabongka, etc are laying low for now and HAVE NOT RENOUNCED DORJE SHUGDEN. THAT IS A FACT THEY HAVE NOT RENOUNCED. Under the huge pressure of the ban, they have not forsaken the practice of Dorje Shugden. They are old enough where they can think for themselves and not be 'forced' to practice by their old attendants. Yet they choose to practice. You do not see Trijang Rinpoche nor Pabongka Rinpoche attending any events by the Dalai Lama. Their lack of attendance leaves a huge vacuum. Everyone within the Gelug systems knows it and so do they as well as the Dalai Lama. How many more Tulkus, Geshes and people have quietly opted out of any involvement with the Dalai Lama. They choose to be quiet not because they are cowards, but perhaps they choose to quietly spread the practice in preparation for the time where they can come out in the open with it. Some come out in the open, some wait. Everyone has their tactics and their own methods. Everyone has the right to choose their methods irrelevant of what anyone may think. Not joining in Dalai Lama's activities and quietly practicing shows their great courage and skillful means.

You do not see Trijang Rinpoche,  Pabongka Rinpoche, Yongyal Rinpoche, Gonsar Rinpoche, etc etc going around protesting against the Dalai Lama with placards. That does not mean they are cowards or they are afraid. It means they are just waiting. That is their right. No one should criticize them for their methods. They and many lamas shoulder the responsibility of bringing dharma to so many during this age of materialism. Their courage does not need to be shown or manifest in the form of protests or open statements about their practice. Everyone has their reasoning and path to tread.

So many Tulkus, Geshes and people are practicing Dorje Shugden quietly. So many continue to not protest or 'fight' against the Dalai Lama. They know it is a matter of time before the ban becomes ineffective and ignored.
There will be no one of consequence or lasting effect to defend the ban later. Buddhism will take root in democratic countries and all will practice according to their democratic choice. In the future if one centre forbids/disparages other centres for practicing, they can be presented a law suit for debasement or something similar. To discourage others from one centre or group because of Dorje Shugden will infringe upon democratic laws that protect the freedom of worship. It would be a serious matter to cross the line. In the future, no one can stop Dorje Shugden's practice because they are protected by the law.

Any lamas who come into prominence will never have the same speaking power as the Dalai Lama once did, if they should speak out of line, it would not serve their purpose in the long run. They would be seen as sectarian, biased or self serving.

Everyone should be patient for a little while longer. Within our lifetime Shugden will take root all over the world. After we are gone, it will continue to grow and expand. We should be adamant about our participation in Shugden's growth. We will keep up our practice and dissemination of information on Shugden. Instead of just protests which may be good for some, we must disseminate information on Shugden's history, background, nature, benefits and practice. Through logic and patience Shugden's practice will prevail.

TK





TK's post is so insightful, everyone should read it again and again.

If all the high lamas are using different methods to continue their practice in their own skillful means, be it openly or quietly and patiently, we must continue whatever we can do to spread this holy and sacred lineage, by education for example, in this website, because with knowledge, one can obtain the FACTS and make their own decision.

Shugden practice will INDEED PREVAIL!!!  May Dorje Shugden blesses anyone who hears his name or sees his holy image.


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Re: Dorje Shugden Initiation to 5000 People at Chamdo, Tibet
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2011, 04:53:00 AM »
In the future after the HH Dalai Lama haspassed away, there is only one direction the Dorje Shugden practice/lineage/practitioners can go. That is up.

Whatever the Dalai Lama has said and done 'against' Shugden is only temporary. He has made Shugden famous. He continues to do so by keeping the ban in place. All the superficial practitioners have dropped off. But the hardcore ones are strong and remain steadfast. Many young Tulkus and Geshes are in the making. Even the supreme tulkus such as Trijang, Pabongka, etc are laying low for now and HAVE NOT RENOUNCED DORJE SHUGDEN. THAT IS A FACT THEY HAVE NOT RENOUNCED. Under the huge pressure of the ban, they have not forsaken the practice of Dorje Shugden. They are old enough where they can think for themselves and not be 'forced' to practice by their old attendants. Yet they choose to practice. You do not see Trijang Rinpoche nor Pabongka Rinpoche attending any events by the Dalai Lama. Their lack of attendance leaves a huge vacuum. Everyone within the Gelug systems knows it and so do they as well as the Dalai Lama. How many more Tulkus, Geshes and people have quietly opted out of any involvement with the Dalai Lama. They choose to be quiet not because they are cowards, but perhaps they choose to quietly spread the practice in preparation for the time where they can come out in the open with it. Some come out in the open, some wait. Everyone has their tactics and their own methods. Everyone has the right to choose their methods irrelevant of what anyone may think. Not joining in Dalai Lama's activities and quietly practicing shows their great courage and skillful means.

You do not see Trijang Rinpoche,  Pabongka Rinpoche, Yongyal Rinpoche, Gonsar Rinpoche, etc etc going around protesting against the Dalai Lama with placards. That does not mean they are cowards or they are afraid. It means they are just waiting. That is their right. No one should criticize them for their methods. They and many lamas shoulder the responsibility of bringing dharma to so many during this age of materialism. Their courage does not need to be shown or manifest in the form of protests or open statements about their practice. Everyone has their reasoning and path to tread.

So many Tulkus, Geshes and people are practicing Dorje Shugden quietly. So many continue to not protest or 'fight' against the Dalai Lama. They know it is a matter of time before the ban becomes ineffective and ignored.
There will be no one of consequence or lasting effect to defend the ban later. Buddhism will take root in democratic countries and all will practice according to their democratic choice. In the future if one centre forbids/disparages other centres for practicing, they can be presented a law suit for debasement or something similar. To discourage others from one centre or group because of Dorje Shugden will infringe upon democratic laws that protect the freedom of worship. It would be a serious matter to cross the line. In the future, no one can stop Dorje Shugden's practice because they are protected by the law.

Any lamas who come into prominence will never have the same speaking power as the Dalai Lama once did, if they should speak out of line, it would not serve their purpose in the long run. They would be seen as sectarian, biased or self serving.

Everyone should be patient for a little while longer. Within our lifetime Shugden will take root all over the world. After we are gone, it will continue to grow and expand. We should be adamant about our participation in Shugden's growth. We will keep up our practice and dissemination of information on Shugden. Instead of just protests which may be good for some, we must disseminate information on Shugden's history, background, nature, benefits and practice. Through logic and patience Shugden's practice will prevail.

TK

Dear Tk,
Thank you for a wonderful post once again and the reasoning you present sounds very good and plausible. I have never thought of it before and often wondered and feel sad that Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche and being such an illustrious Lama in his previous lives is so quiet today. This post gives me and many others hope that there is a great plan and reason why they are laying low. They must see something big coming from Dorje Shugden's practice and a lot of Lamas are busy spreading Dorje Shugden in Tibet/China. So far, it is mainly to Tibetan people and perhaps one day, the momentum will build up and many Chinese people will also take interest, practice and spread it to the rest of China. If China adopts Dorje Shugden in a big way, it will influence the rest of the world. The momentum has began and this post itself is a huge testament to what the great Lamas of Tibet are planning out.  It is all very exciting!

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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2011, 08:10:38 PM »
What a beautiful post!  T.K wrote beautifully and led me looking at things at a different perspective.  It has given me so much insights, so much to learn and so much to be rejoice about to ensure that we are not alone.  While the ban is still on, how many highly lamas like Pabongka Rinpoche, Trijang Rinpoche "lay low" yet "going up" in spreading the Shugden practice in so so many ways...  It is like the more people talking about the ban, the more it spreads out into hundreds direction.  Now the practice has spread into China, Western regions and even the people who are against Shugden seems to be outnumbered already.   I am still very excited how the ban will subsides, what will happened when H.H passes on? and most important what the government in exile will do later.  To leave the ban or to praise Shugden and asking for help? This is all very exciting and thankyou for such great site!   

Now, the pictures even showed that even where the ban is implemented, the people are getting initiation in TIbet and it is growing tremendously... Yes, there are many young monks who are getting initiation now.  Imagine how many young monks to lay people will be practicing in no time?


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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2011, 08:19:23 PM »
What a beautiful post!  T.K wrote beautifully and led me looking at things at a different perspective.  It has given me so much insights, so much to learn and so much to be rejoice about to ensure that we are not alone.  While the ban is still on, how many highly lamas like Pabongka Rinpoche, Trijang Rinpoche "lay low" yet "going up" in spreading the Shugden practice in so so many ways...  It is like the more people talking about the ban, the more it spreads out into hundreds direction.  Now the practice has spread into China, Western regions and even the people who are against Shugden seems to be outnumbered already.   I am still very excited how the ban will subsides, what will happened when H.H passes on? and most important what the government in exile will do later.  To leave the ban or to praise Shugden and asking for help? This is all very exciting and thankyou for such great site!   

Now, the pictures even showed that even where the ban is implemented, the people are getting initiation in TIbet and it is growing tremendously... Yes, there are many young monks who are getting initiation now.  Imagine how many young monks to lay people will be practicing in no time?



Exciting, isn't it? I love how they're Tibetan people... all 5000 of them getting a Dorje Shugden initiation! I always associated Tibetans as anti-DS, so it's nice to see them practicing this "spirit" instead of spewing their hate against something they don't even understand.

@Barzin, what do you think will happen after HHDL passes on?