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Big Uncle

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Re: Meditate in caves is the RIGHT WAY???
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2012, 05:44:32 AM »
Lord Atisha, in his advice to Jangchub Ö, clearly stated that THE WAY for attainment is to avoid worldly amusements.

"Until you attain stable realizations, worldly amusements are harmful, therefore abide in a place where there are no such distractions."

Read the full advice from this article :
http://kadampa.org/buddhism/advice-from-atisha/

Seems in our modern world today there is no way we can avoid worldly amusement, except if we go to meditate in the caves...

Question: Do we really have to leave everything behind like the Buddha when was a prince?

Well, for most people, we cannot leave behind everything to be a monk or meditate in a cave and so, other forms of getaway is encouraged, like going for classes, pujas, retreats in the center or in a remote place depending on the Buddhist organization we belong to.

Also, we can be strong and not hang around friends who do not appreciate our spiritual practice and that would bring us down or distract us from our spiritual goals. The worse kind of friends are this kind and if they were real, they would encourage us to be spiritual and not take us away from it. Hence, spiritual friends that we hang out with is very important as well. This is on the outer level and on the inner level, it would be to refrain from the 8 worldly concerns:-

1. Attachment to getting and keeping material things.

2. Aversion to not getting material things or being separated from them.

3. Attachment to praise, hearing nice words, and feeling encouraged.

4. Aversion to getting blamed, ridiculed, and criticized.

5. Attachment to having a good reputation.

6. Aversion to having a bad reputation.

7. Attachment to sense pleasures in general.

8. Aversion to unpleasant experiences.

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Re: Meditate in caves is the RIGHT WAY???
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2012, 12:00:28 PM »
It's all about context, from which point of view you read the instruction, and what decisions you make for yourself as a practitioner having examined your mind.

When, motivated by renunciation and bodhichitta, and having ascertained the emptiness of self and phenomena we accomplish the aggregates of a highest yoga tantra deity (right now), there are no worldly amusements, only pure enjoyments. That's one way to retreat - into the cave of the tantric mandala of pure appearances and pure conceptions.

Or, perhaps he meant the cave of the indestructible drop at the center of the heart chakra.

We can try to restrain the doors of the senses, give our self some boundaries for what we will read, listen too, do etc. This is very helpful. And we can do short retreats where we live. Turn the phone off. Don't look at internet. Only read small sections of select Dharma books. Meet with nobody. Concentrate.

We can learn to use appearances to stimulate realizations of the lamrim so that when we set down to absorb inwards our mind is energized by virtue.

We can especially put great effort into gaining experience of emptiness. The union of appearance and emptiness is especially helpful so that the appearance of inherent existence itself reminds us of emptiness. This experience is very important to gain experience of so that we can combine the 8 signs of dissolution (in the truth body meditation of highest yoga tantra) with an experience of emptiness.

Meditating in the middle of the night around 3am or 4am when the electromagnetic field and sounds generated by the waking activities of many living beings is at rest.

Gaining experience of the nature of mind is also very helpful, as well as learning to do open-eyed meditation. These things give us an experience of looking through appearances so to speak, so that appearances become less solid and thereby have less impact.

The best cave though is the drop at the heart.

If we create a determination bridge with respect to isolated strict retreat, we will gradually gather the conditions to do this. Such a retreat is ideal. It is really the most ideal if we have prepared in some of the ways I already mentioned though. Strict solitary retreat amplifies and quickens the development of inner experience, without a doubt. If we don't have the opportunity yet, there is still hope, but you have to be really disciplined, otherwise not much progress will happen. Any bit of effort will bring fruit, but great effort and consistency bring it quicker, and isolated retreat can be like a rocket (especially isolated retreat in your heart..hint hint).