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Samsara is the state of which we want to be free from and thus as a first step, buddhists seek refuge in the three jewels and hold the 10 vows. As we go along the initial scope, we are presented with the truth that renunciation is key to freeing ourselves from the unhappiness we have created "unknowingly".
Obtaining the right view of what renunciation is about is very crucial.
Is renunciation possible for a person in the modern world? How would someone attempt to go about achieving some form of renunciation.
In a nutshell, how would a modern person, having achieved renunciation integrate and live in this modern society?
Here's a teaching by Lama Yeshe on What is Renunciation?
http://meta-religion.com/World_Religions/Buddhism/what_is_renunciation.htm
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Dear DS Friend,
This is a lovely post and it got me thinking for a while. This explains why it took some time before I could write about this.
Frankly, I used to think that renunciation was giving up everything and denying one's right to live or to enjoy life.
Of course, I was seeing this through my very "samsaric lenses".
As time goes by, with more help from my Guru and Dharma brothers and sisters - renunciation begin to hold a different meaning for me.
It is NOT about giving up enjoying life or everything.
Before Dharma, I had different definitions of "life's purpose", "enjoyment" and "achievement".
In the past, my life purpose's was really to serve me and my ever-changing likes and dislikes. Enjoying my life would amount to when I get to have fun, how fun I got and when can I do it again. Achievement meant that I have found a way to allow myself to have as much fun as possible - without limits to space, travel and time, of course.
So, as you can imagine - renunciation would be deemed as totally vulgar in my samsaric world - a kind of death, for sure.
But with more Dharma learning and plenty of help from Dorje Shugden - my mind began to see more. It felt like it just opened up suddenly and my "samsaric lenses" started to collapse - along with everything else.
I think what I was finally opening up to ( and still am ) is the renunciation of how much I am attached to what I thought was fun, great and joyful.
In Dharma, we first empty out everything but what we are essential surrendering is all that is bad for us - our fears, insecurities, selfishness, etc.
But in order to even realise that we are actually giving up what 'corrupts and contaminates' us - we must know where it all comes from.
And that is a journey within our spiritual path - going inwards in order to look outwards.
We trace the symptoms to the root cause and eradicate the cause. Mind you, this will take a long while for some. Myself, in particular. But I am deeply grateful to my Guru who put me in this retreat which was equivalent to a detox of my mind's diseases.
So, how would a modern person achieve renunciation and integrate it into his or her life in our modern society?
Well, we can take a very simple example of say, how one is so attached to coffee, drinking coffee and without it, one would be most unhappy. But before one even realises how much one is attached to coffee and that attachment is not good for you - one must first realise that the coffee is not the problem here but it is our attachment to it.
Hence, one would remove oneself from coffee altogether for a period of time in order to see for oneself how deeply attached one is to the coffee and it is really one's attachment and not the coffee.
Without that first phase of abstaining oneself from coffee, one cannot see one's full effects of attachment to coffee.
After going through a period of facing this coffee attachment and "resolving" it - one would no longer be attached to coffee, even if one could drink it again after the whole "exercise" of renouncing it.
Because one has grown not to be attached to coffee, one has control over one's attachment. With or without, one is still the same - if not, better.
I am not sure if I am answering the question accurately, but that was how it was for me. In another context, of course - not coffee. haha
What I found is that I was renouncing my attachments and not my life.
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Is renunciation possible for a person in the modern world? How would someone attempt to go about achieving some form of renunciation.
One step at a time, I think renunciation is possible in the modern world. Like Helena pointed out, attachement to coffee or anything one likes, the objects are not the problem, the problem lies in our minds, how our minds see that objects as important to us and that we cannot lbe happy without them, as a result, we are very attached to that object and the moment we do not get it, we are depressed or become uphappy.
We can train ourselves to live, say, a few days to start with, without the object that we like/attached to , then we can slowly see that we actually can live without it. And slowly begin to realise how our monkey minds used to tell us that we could not be happy without it was not absolute.
In this materialistic world, every aspects of life are trying to get us deeper into all our "man made or marketed" attachments. To practise renunciation is like sailing against the winds if one does not understand the causes of sufferings and unhappiness.
If we can simply understand that we actually DO NOT OWN anything in this world, we are born with nothing to this world, and when we leave at the time of death, we also do not take with us anything materialstically. So since we have to leave many things behind at time of death, it only makes sense that we should prepare ourselves, one step at a time, to become less attached to, say, even our husbands, children, money, houses, cars, titles, etc, etc.
Many would presume that if one practices renunciation, one becomes indifferent. That is a wrong perception. We can still enjoy whatever we have, but the moment we do not have it, we should be ok with it. It is like as if one used to travel on business class, and one day he has to travel on economy class, he should be ok with it and without having to make a big fuss about not being able to get onto business class.
Practice one step at a time and contemplate everyday will help us to achieve closer to this realisation.
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We can also renounce our pet aversions and dislikes and fears. When we work on letting go or renouncing our aversions, dislikes, fears and anxieties, we become ‘lighter’ and happier people without all this ‘baggage’.
Take, for instance, my fear of curries as taking curries used to cause me stomach upset. In recent times, I have had to let go of this fear because without curries I found my food options, as a vegetarian, rather restricted. I must say that opening up to eating curry has given me a more interesting range of food to choose from!
As we renounce our attachments and craving on the one hand and our aversions, fears and hates on the other, we find that we are not identifying ourselves so much with these delusions and mental afflictions.
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I wish to rephrase and expand on what I last wrote in my earlier post.
When we pander to our whimsical and delusory likes and dislikes, attachments and aversions, loves and hates, we are actually reinforcing( and 'blowing up' ) our already deeply entrenched sense of ‘I’. This is because we identify ourselves with our likes and dislikes. Hence, when we let go of them slowly but surely, this identifying of ‘I’( self) with these likes and dislikes is weakened until eventually we find our state of mind becoming more and more selfless and consequently less and less dualistic. We become ultimately non-dualistic and totally selfless.
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Interesting tha Helena illustrated her point by using coffee and Vajrastorm used coffee as an object of attachment. Food! Nothing wrong with food but we make food an object to reinforce our attachments. No wonder the Theravadan monks eat whatever's being offered as a path towards achieving renunciation. There are more reasons than this point alone in begging for alms.
It is enriching to read the sharing in here. Read and rereading Dharma is such a privilege and does a lot of good for the mind.
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Dear DS Friend,
I believe that Vajrastorm used CURRY and I used COFFEE.
But you are right that food does rule our daily lives a great deal.
I tried to practice eating one meal a day - it did not last three days.
Hunger does affect us all greatly.
Hence, I do applaud the Theravadans for being able to discipline themselves to eating one meal a day, and still remain sane and calm.
I also admire the Muslim faith for their tradition of fasting for one month before their New Year.
Such deeds to help us appreciate life and what we have more. Also, teaches us not to be too attached to what we like.
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Renunciation! What a big word. I love the examples and explanations you guys give. It is accessible and yet profound. Personally, I think renouncing has got nothing to do with giving up luxuries and pleasures or even trying to temper with attachment to these things. I guess that's because I am very attached person.
I heard of some teachings on attachment/renunciation and found it very appealing to my attached mind. That is to always offer all the little beautiful things in life to the Buddhas. If I remember correctly, generating that mindset creates merits towards achieving real renunciation. This can be expanded to everything around us and even towards people we cherish and love. One of the best contemplations towards attachments to our loved ones is to remember our time with them is short and to always try to bring Dharma to them or at least dedicate our merits to them so they are really benefitted. When we hit difficult times or situations, we train ourselves (no matter how difficult...) to always try to repair the situation or make amends with the person whom we have hurt. On top of that, the longer we stay depressed, angry or unhappy about something is a yardstick of how attached we are. The same goes for how gleefully happy we are about something or someone. I don't think it means that we should empty ourselves of all likes and dislikes but to train ourselves to remember that the pleasures and pains of life is temporary.
That is as far as I remember and I love this teaching because it is practical and it addresses the other spectrum of attachment. Attachment is not just towards people/things/situations we find pleasant but it is also about people/things/situations we have an aversion for.
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That is as far as I remember and I love this teaching because it is practical and it addresses the other spectrum of attachment. Attachment is not just towards people/things/situations we find pleasant but it is also about people/things/situations we have an aversion for.
Oh, how we are subjected to the forces of pull and push. Most of the time, we are pushing away aversion.. We react more to negative experiences than pleasures...which establishes the fact that we are in a state of suffering.
We are always fighting off pain, displeasures...by engaging in unending search for never-lasting happiness.
I suppose, watching what drives us each day and reducing that which doesn't make sense is a small step forward.
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Oh, how we are subjected to the forces of pull and push. Most of the time, we are pushing away aversion.. We react more to negative experiences than pleasures...which establishes the fact that we are in a state of suffering.
We are always fighting off pain, displeasures...by engaging in unending search for never-lasting happiness.
I suppose, watching what drives us each day and reducing that which doesn't make sense is a small step forward.
The story of most people's life, of most being's lives (and mine too): running away from things and running after things.
(and within that journey: lying, being sneaky, manipulating, stealing, using snake tongues if not worse...)
Then shifting the projected qualities of things: what I ran after yesterday, I run away from today (and vice-versa).
What a circus!
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This thread is especially poignant to me as I am extremely attached for a person who deludes himself into thinking he is not. In that very perception I now know how intense my attachments are. I have gone through life justifying, sweet talking, out smarting (at least that is what I think!) and plain lying to most of all myself...
Having said that, I do believe it is possible to live a renounced life in a modern world albeit much harder or our 'degenerated times' phrase will not be coined. As with what is shared here, I do believe it is not the object of attachment that is the problem but our mindset that the object of attachment brings us happiness or causes us pain that is the root cause.
I recall a good friend who once told me:
"No one or nothing can cause you pain, anger, hate or even pleasure, happiness, love... because YOU yourself are the master of these emotions. It is YOU who choose to feel these emotions"
Perhaps he was trying to tell me something many years too soon!
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Oh, how we are subjected to the forces of pull and push. Most of the time, we are pushing away aversion.. We react more to negative experiences than pleasures...which establishes the fact that we are in a state of suffering.
We are always fighting off pain, displeasures...by engaging in unending search for never-lasting happiness.
I suppose, watching what drives us each day and reducing that which doesn't make sense is a small step forward.
The story of most people's life, of most being's lives (and mine too): running away from things and running after things.
(and within that journey: lying, being sneaky, manipulating, stealing, using snake tongues if not worse...)
Then shifting the projected qualities of things: what I ran after yesterday, I run away from today (and vice-versa).
What a circus!
I like what you said Hope Rainbow, Our lives is like a circus, what we ran after yesterday, is what we run away today.......so with that in mind, we could equate ourselve better with impermanence.....a way to reduce our perception of an object, be it an attachment or detachment.
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I recall a good friend who once told me:
"No one or nothing can cause you pain, anger, hate or even pleasure, happiness, love... because YOU yourself are the master of these emotions. It is YOU who choose to feel these emotions"
I believe that we will be the masters of our emotions when we are free from the eight worldly Dharmas.
In summary the eight worldly Dharmas are:
hope for happiness and fear of suffering,
hope for fame and fear of insignificance,
hope for praise and fear of blame,
hope for gain and fear of loss;
As long as we are not free of the above, we will never be in control of our emotions as it all arises from our attachment to our ego and self thinking that it is real and therefore always fearing some sort of lost and craving for sort of gain. If we reflect on how we respond and react to others, we will realize that it has a lot to do with the 8 worldly Dharmas.
So how not to get affected by the 8 worldly Dharmas? I am certainly far from being free from it but in theory I know for a fact that in order to get rid of that at the ultimately level, we need to seriously contemplate and meditate on impermanence and emptiness based on valid scriptural teachings and eventually gain realization of it. Without that no matter how much we wish to be masters or be in control of our emotions, that will never happen.
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Samsara is the state of which we want to be free from and thus as a first step, buddhists seek refuge in the three jewels and hold the 10 vows. As we go along the initial scope, we are presented with the truth that renunciation is key to freeing ourselves from the unhappiness we have created "unknowingly".
Obtaining the right view of what renunciation is about is very crucial.
Is renunciation possible for a person in the modern world? How would someone attempt to go about achieving some form of renunciation.
In a nutshell, how would a modern person, having achieved renunciation integrate and live in this modern society?
Here's a teaching by Lama Yeshe on What is Renunciation?
[url]http://meta-religion.com/World_Religions/Buddhism/what_is_renunciation.htm[/url] ([url]http://meta-religion.com/World_Religions/Buddhism/what_is_renunciation.htm[/url])
Thank you DS friend for sharing this article. It's encouraging to understand what renunciation means in the Buddhist context. As Lama Yeshe stated in the article, "we should have less grasping at sense pleasures, because most of the time our grasping at and craving desire for worldly pleasure does not give us satisfaction."
The key here is LESS grasping. So it is the process of decreasing the grasping one step at a time. I believe this is more manageable for our samsaric minds to achieve than abstaining cold turkey. It is like going to the gym and increasing the weights as time goes by instead of trying to lift 100kgs on day one.
However, consistency is necessary to see any real results.
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"Is renunciation possible for a person in the modern world? How would someone attempt to go about achieving some form of renunciation."
We all have attachments and hangups in our lives, our likes and dislikes towards food, things, people, situations etc. We craved and grasped at worldly desires thinking that those things will give us happinesses. But all those are just temporal happiness.
To practice renunciation in the modern world is difficult but it is possible. We have to contemplate on death. At the time of death we will have to leave everything including our well taken care body behind so why are we still so attached. Thinking like this we can slowly learn to let go for our attachments. We train our selves step by step and eventually letting go will be much easier.
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Very nice article. I enjoyed reading it, and more importantly understood a little more about renounciation.
The first few paragrahs of Lama Yeshe's article reminded me how the Buddha found the Middle Path... I believe at that point, the Buddha understood that renounciation is the path to liberation. However, the Buddha's effort in rejecting food has led him to realize that it would only lead to the destruction of the body which is needed to bring him to enlightenment.
I believe we can take this example to apply into our daily life. As we all know, times and circumstances has changed since the Buddha's time. There are many things that we need to sustain our life, even if we compare to a mere 100 years back, life has gotten more complicated... need i mention if we compare it to the time of the Buddha?
Certain things that we may think is a luxury, yeah it probably is, but if we use it with the main motive and purpose as a vehicle to spread the Dharma or to further our knowledge in Dharma... then it is no longer a luxury but a necessity. For example, there are millions of people in the world that do not own a computer and still surviving... so technically, computers are a luxury and not a necessity for life to go on... however, in our situation it is a necessity as we obtain much knowledge through using a computer than to not have one.
Basically, we need to be mindful when it comes to renounciation... and always check our mind if we are acquiring things for pleasure or for a higher purpose. No one can truly tell us if we've truly renounced or not by looking at our possessions, but they can by looking at our attitude towards our possessions.
Of course renounciation does not only target material possessions, but also attitude. For example, being vegetarian is also a form of renunciation... similar to fasting.
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In a modern world it is very difficult to avoid worldly pleasures as we do not live in caves. Even monks have to live in this degenerate age and that is why that it is said that to be a monk for 1 day in this age is equivalent in the merits collected to the merits collected during Buddha Sakyamuni's time.
Renunciation does not means giving up everything and just be a monk even though that is one very good way to do that but many does not have the merits to be monks as we may be carried by our karma to meet the Dharma late or have other obstacles in preventing us to be able to do that.
Renunciation in a modern world really means being able to take all that the modern life gives us, the pleasures, the pain and the suffering and know that it is not permanent and not be attached to it. It includes everything that is attached to the word "self" including, family, friends, possessions and most importantly ourselves ie our body and form. It include us realizing it and apply it every moment of the day. It doesn't mean that we do not "enjoy" as joy is also important to sustain our spiritual path. Beyond breaking our vows; "joy" is a good thing. We need to know it is not permanent and get on with live. Renunciation in this way brings us more lasting happiness.
Lastly, we need to renounce being too conscious of renouncing and just live our life to benefit others knowing that we are all ultimately the same. We are just temporary waves is an ocean.
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Thanks for sharing the article. I still don't know what renunciation really means... from what I read from the article.. it seems to be about... letting go with our fixed/ingrained view of things/situations which we perceive as nice and not nice? Some points from the article which I think are key:
Renunciation of samsara does not mean you throw samsara away, because your body and your nose are samsara... renunciation means less craving; it means being more reasonable instead of putting too much psychological pressure on yourself and acting crazy...
The opposite of renunciation of samsara... is the extreme mind that we have most of the time: the grasping, craving mind that gives us an overestimated projection of objects, which has nothing to with the reality of those objects.
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Hehehe.... Lama Thubten Yeshe told the story of Birwapa the great mahasidda.
He used it to demonstrate that the object of the renunciation is not the object of our attachment, but the mind of attachment we have created.
The cause for our attachment is the object or renunciation.
The object of our attachment is not, yet sometimes the focus on the object can assist in the process of getting rid of the cause.
I am attached to women, I see a woman and lust overpowers me.
What can be done? I can veil the woman so that her simple sight does not make lust arise in me, does this solve the problem? Yes it does but only partially, for it has not removed the cause of lust, it has done nothing to prepare me to react virtuously if ever I see an attractive woman that is not covered.
This is touching on Islam obviously, and many muslim scholars would agree that the veiling of the woman exposes the weakness of men and there is deeper teaching in veiling the woman than just that action.
What is to be renounced is the cause of suffering, nothing else.
What is to be renounced is anger, attachment and best of all: ignorance.
IF what was to be renounced was sex, money, food, TV, cars, parties, holidays, careers, friends, even our body, then renunciation would actually be very easy to achieve.
So easy that we could achieve it within a couple of weeks.
Then what would we have achieved? A mind that suffers from not having what it is attached to? (sounds like an existence as a preta...)
I think what must be renounced is the ignorance that makes us "like things thinking they will provide us with happiness" or "dislike things because we think they will make us un-happy".
Then we can like things wisely and dislike things wisely, free from ignorance, thus Birwapa can drink wine and teach us about renunciation, contradictory? Not at all!
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Renunciation is one of the three aspects of the Path as taught by Lama Tsongkhapa. The other two are Bodhicitta and Sunyata.
What is renunciation? It is the "complete intention definitely to leave cyclic existence". It is the determination to be free. So what are we renouncing when we talk about renunciation? We are talking about the renunciation of cyclic existence.
Next what is the reason for renunciation? Just take the Buddha as an example. He had been criticized for leaving his home and kingdom. It must have been difficult. But it was the boldest step that a man could have ever taken. The Buddha renounced the world not for his own sake but for the sake of suffering humanity. To him the whole of mankind is one family.
All our unhappiness is due to attachment. Had the Buddha developed attachment towards his wife, child, kingdom and worldly pleasures, he would never have discovered the remedy for suffering mankind.
A poet, Dwight Goddard wrote this of the Buddha:
"Twas not through hatred of children sweet,
Twas not through hatred of his lovely wife,
Thriller of hearts - not that he loved them less,
But Buddhahood more, that he renounced them all."
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Hehehe.... Lama Thubten Yeshe told the story of Birwapa the great mahasidda.
He used it to demonstrate that the object of the renunciation is not the object of our attachment, but the mind of attachment we have created.
The cause for our attachment is the object or renunciation.
The object of our attachment is not, yet sometimes the focus on the object can assist in the process of getting rid of the cause.
I am attached to women, I see a woman and lust overpowers me.
What can be done? I can veil the woman so that her simple sight does not make lust arise in me, does this solve the problem? Yes it does but only partially, for it has not removed the cause of lust, it has done nothing to prepare me to react virtuously if ever I see an attractive woman that is not covered.
This is touching on Islam obviously, and many muslim scholars would agree that the veiling of the woman exposes the weakness of men and there is deeper teaching in veiling the woman than just that action.
What is to be renounced is the cause of suffering, nothing else.
What is to be renounced is anger, attachment and best of all: ignorance.
IF what was to be renounced was sex, money, food, TV, cars, parties, holidays, careers, friends, even our body, then renunciation would actually be very easy to achieve.
So easy that we could achieve it within a couple of weeks.
Then what would we have achieved? A mind that suffers from not having what it is attached to? (sounds like an existence as a preta...)
I think what must be renounced is the ignorance that makes us "like things thinking they will provide us with happiness" or "dislike things because we think they will make us un-happy".
Then we can like things wisely and dislike things wisely, free from ignorance, thus Birwapa can drink wine and teach us about renunciation, contradictory? Not at all!
What you stated is so true, "What is to be renounced is the cause of suffering". This will vary from person to person. Many people think that there are fixed ways of renunciation and there are other ways of gaining attainments without sacrificing.
What many people do not understand is that renunciation is a natural choice and not a loss or sacrifice because the practitioner knows that it is beneficial. For example, when we find out that eating animal fat is extremely bad for our health, we stop eating it. Is this a loss or sacrifice or is it a wise choice? We are more than happy to stop eating the fat.
With this same logic, we learn to renounce. It is very difficult during modern times like now because there are many distractions. If we choose to take some time off at least once a week to study the dharma, we will learn to make the right choices and renunciation will be one of the choices.
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What is and why live a renounced life? Well, renunciation is the strong desire to free ourselves from the process of uncontrolled and continuous cyclic rebirth. To free ourselves of this uncontrolled and continuous cycle of rebirth means that we have accomplished freedom from sufferings. We can be part of the modern world and yet live a renounced life by following the principles of Dharma. If we practise mindfulness and awareness of the actions of our body, speech and mind moment to moment, we could reduce the creation of further karma. Every single moment of mindfulness purifies the karma that has ripened. Our spiritual goal is to eventually purify all of our karma. In a nutshell, outwardly we may appear to be preoccupied with samsaric activities, but inwardly, we are completely focused in transforming our mind to the ultimate state of full enlightenment!
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Buddha's teaching is timeless. What the Buddha taught 2600 years ago still applies to the modern world. If we think living a renounced life in the modern world is different from Buddha's time, we are deluding ourselves. It is not about the external aspects. The physical environment has changed but the nature of samsara is the same.
Lama Tsongkhapa explains the three aspects of the Path in the following manner:
"The essential meaning of the Conqueror's scriptures,
The path praised by the excellent Conqueror's children,
The port for the fortunate wishing liberation."
The first line refers to liberation. This is the essence of the Buddha's teachings. Renunciation is the determination to be free. How do we achieve liberation? The answer is in the next two lines. The second line refers to Bodhicitta. It is the path praised by the Buddha's children, that is, the Bodhisattvas. The third line refers to sunyata or rather "the wisdom realising the way things are". Thus right view is the entrance or door for those who desire liberation. And what is liberation if not renunciation from cyclic existence?
I think in the modern world, it is harder to live a renounced life. The best way is still to become a monk or a nun unless we are mahasiddhas already.
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With this same logic, we learn to renounce. It is very difficult during modern times like now because there are many distractions. If we choose to take some time off at least once a week to study the dharma, we will learn to make the right choices and renunciation will be one of the choices.
Renounciation is a process........I like what Klein said here....we or I definitely cannot renounce everything and become a nun right now, but that does not mean I can not in the near future.
So the first step to start living a renounced life is to "get knowledge" and "collect merits", so attending dharma classes and volunteering/doing dharma work in a center would be greatly beneficial. For any lay person, I think this is the best way to start, as the hours you will spend in a dharma center, either attending dharma classes or doing some kind of dharma work, you are in actual fact, cutting down the time you would have spent on self gratification activities. Slowly and surely, those self gratification activities would bear no significance to you even if you do them less.
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With this same logic, we learn to renounce. It is very difficult during modern times like now because there are many distractions. If we choose to take some time off at least once a week to study the dharma, we will learn to make the right choices and renunciation will be one of the choices.
Yes in this modern age where there are so many distractions and worldly pleasures it is difficult to renounce but that doesn't mean it is not possible. Putting the first step in letting go of our attachments to worldly desires may be difficult but through practice, knowledge, understanding the dharma and putting in the effort it can be achieved. Knowing that all things are impermanent we will not want to grasp on to them. Step by step and consistency in our practice will eventually bear results when we realized the benefits of non-grasping.
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"Is renunciation possible for a person in the modern world? How would someone attempt to go about achieving some form of renunciation."
i would say that in this modern world its not so easy for someone to completely have a renunciation to become a monk or nun for their whole life as there are so many distractions, different of culture, thought and believe. but that doesn't mean it impossible.
Since it is not so easy to really completely have a renunciation so we can start step by step ie be a vegetarian, spend time to participate in virtuous activities which benefit other ie volunteer in different activities, attend class to gain some knowledge instead of spend time with normal activities for fun and our own happiness with bring no benefit. Or we can start on what we are attached to the most, to slowly cut it down until you feel nothing even you don't have it etc
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Basically, we need to be mindful when it comes to renounciation... and always check our mind if we are acquiring things for pleasure or for a higher purpose. No one can truly tell us if we've truly renounced or not by looking at our possessions, but they can by looking at our attitude towards our possessions.
Of course renounciation does not only target material possessions, but also attitude. For example, being vegetarian is also a form of renunciation... similar to fasting.
Q has put it very clearly that renunciation is not to be 'measured' by how much we let go of physical possessions but to check the most important part of it i.e. our motivation and how much we attach to our possessions. Rightly mentioned also that being vegetarian is renunciation as we have to let go of our attachment to meat.
Renunciation on the basic is to let go of comfortable life because that is what make us attach. When we have nothing, no nice clothe or even hairs, we have nothing to attach to. However, in modern day, certain possessions that deem luxury had became necessary tools to help us to spread dharma like big centre and big statues. Time has changed, we need to change to adapt to the need of today's people.