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Title: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: michaela on March 17, 2019, 06:03:25 PM
I wish to fight for Tibetan freedom, but I am a Dorje Shugden follower. If in exile I don’t have freedom to practice Shugden and segregated, if we get a free Tibet, will you do the same to me in Tibet? Will Tibet be segregated like we are in exile India now? All Shugden people are banned from mainstream Tibetan life. I am a 2nd generation Tibetan living in Delhi and our community is heavily segregated because of this. If Shugden people are segregated and banned in Tibet like in India, what type of democracy is that? Dalai Lama said I have the freedom to practice Shugden, but I cannot join his secular talks, then that is not freedom but conditional leadership. Almost like blackmail to quit Shugden. I don’t wish to join in his religious talks but secular events which I am not allowed to as a Tibetan and he is our leader politically. A section of Tibetans cannot join Dalai Lama’s secular talks due to discrimination against their religion. That is wrong. Leaders have to be fair and not look at my religion. If like that now with segregation based on religion, how to fight for the freedom of a segregated Tibet?

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Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?

Posted on March 17, 2019

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By: Tsering Samten

Dear Sir,

I am writing to you as well as some international media with the hope that you will bring attention to my plight as a Dorje Shukden worshipper.

As you know March 10 is an important date to the Tibetan people because it is supposed to be the day when we commemorate our struggle to regain our freedom. I was excited and hopeful when the President of the Tibetan Youth Congress (TYC) Tenzing Jigme announced the ‘Chalo Delhi’ program which started yesterday March 10, 2019. In his announcement posted in Phayul.com Tenzing Jigme had stated, “Tibet is in a critical state and at this moment in history, it is imperative for us to come together united in our stand for our nation and our people”. What the TYC President said is true and today after 60 years of efforts and struggle it appears that the force behind our struggle for freedom is fading.

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So I wrote to the TYC asking if my friends and me who are all Tibetans can participate in the ‘Chalo Delhi’ programs. I had to ask because within the Tibetan community I am like a pariah due to a religion I practice. For generations my family worshipped a dharmapala called Dorje Shukden who until the 1990s was an important practice in the gelugpa. It may shock many people to know that within the Tibetan community controlled by the Dalai Lama and his Central Tibetan Administration, we are told what we can believe in and what we cannot. And they can change their mind anytime if it serves them politically. If the Dalai Lama and CTA forbids your religion and you continue in your faith, you will be regarded as a criminal. And so it was important to get express permission from the TYC and if we turned up for an official TYC and CTA events without permission, we can get into very deep trouble.

The CTA is not a democracy that allows religious freedom although religious freedom is guaranteed by our democratic constitution. If you practice a religion that the CTA does not like, you will get into trouble, you are segregated and persecuted and regarded as a criminal. Even family, neighbours and colleagues are not allowed to be friendly with us because they too will get into trouble. We Shukdenpas have suffered this for over 20 years. Without having any voice of our own we have kept a low profile and continued to live and practice our religion and not cause trouble.

At the same time, in the last 20 years we have seen the Tibetan struggle go from something tangible to become something more like a fantasy. And so when the TYC President Tenzing Jigme called for unity, my friends and me answered the call. But to my shock, my enquiry was ignored and it seems I am not even deserving of an answer.

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What saddens me is to realise that the TYC, just like the CTA, is not sincere about its call for Tibetan unity. It is not sincere about fighting for the freedom of all Tibetan people. It shows to me that even if somehow the CTA regains our homeland, there are many of us who will continue to live like outcasts and untouchables. Is that the freedom that Tibetans are fighting for? Is that the freedom that our Tibetan democracy promises? Is that the kind of freedom friends of Tibet have supported for 60 years? If yes, then it is not different to having the Chinese as masters. As painful as it is for me to say that, it is a truth. In a truly free community it would not be important what colour your skin is, what race you belong to, what religion you practice, what sex you belong to and what caste you belong to and what opinions you have. The very fact that there are such discriminations is proof that a society is not free.

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It is wrong to say that a person is only Tibetan if he fits into a mould that the Dalai Lama and Tibetan leaders decide, if he fits a description, if he is willing to forfeit his own freedom of choice and his human rights and only then will he be accepted by the CTA and TYC and be regarded as worthy. That is like the attitude of Hitler’s Nazis who did not regard everyone to be worthy of being alive and treated as human beings. To them these certain people must fit a Nordic description and have blue eyes and blond hair and only then are they worthy to be regarded as the master race. The rest like the Jewish people should be exterminated. In principle, how the CTA and TYC regard Shukdenpas is the same. If I am a free person I should not need anyone’s permission to practice my faith and I should not need anyone’s permission to express my wish for a free Tibet and I should not live in fear simply because I do not meet someone else’s description of what is a worthy human.

Even more saddening is to see the very low turnout worldwide of Tibetans and supporters during the TYC’s Chalo Delhi. It is shocking and disappointing to see that the TYC would rather fail in its fight than to be fair to all Tibetans and regard Shukdenpas as human beings.

In my opinion, the TYC and CTA have failed the acid test of how sincere they are about uniting all Tibetans and upholding Tibetan rights under a constitution. If we are not free of the prejudices and persecutions of our own leaders, then Tibetan freedom is already lost with or without regaining our homeland.

Sincerely,
Tsering Samten



Content of my letter to TYC President, Tenzing Jigme

Dear Tenzing la,

I read with interest news about your ‘Chalo Delhi’ program recently reported in Phayul.com. And I wanted to personally thank you for your efforts since you took office in the TYC.

I have seen your good works over the years and I am a supporter of your vision. This is due to my believe that today, more than ever Tibet needs good leaders who are brave, progressive, far-sighted and fair.

Frankly it has been very difficult to see our present state of affairs and the hopelessness that seems to be trapped in many Tibetan hearts. However, I started to have hope again after observing your efforts. I was encouraged when I read about your interview of May 9 2016, posted on the TYC website. In the interview with the Tibet Sun you made this profound declaration

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“The first clause of TYC aims and objectives is to follow the guidance of His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama. I believe that should be the aim or principle of every Tibetan. Our fourth clause is to seek independence for Tibet, which is our right. I don’t think we need to give up seeking our right. Since the inception of the Middle-Way Approach in 1980 until now, over the last forty years we did not have any issues. TYC’s charter was formed in 1970. Both political stands have co-existed in the past without any problems. More importantly, what I really think needs to happen in our exile diaspora is that we need to comprehend ongoing discussions in our political discourse, and pay attention to elements that seem to be intruding into our society and our communities to divide us vis-a-vis Rangzen vs MW or Regionalism or Sectarianism”. ([url]https://www.tibetanyouthcongress.org/2016/05/tyc-president-interview-wt-tibet-sun/[/url])
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Tenzing la, you courageously made a stand for the Tibetan people, and the countless number who have given their lives to defend the cause over the decades. If we compromise enough and lower ourselves enough, I am sure we, the Tibetan people may be allowed back on our motherland. But I wonder if there is any point to this if we do not regain the soul of Tibet. This can only be secured if Tibet is free and the Tibetan people live as independent people without any political overlords. Otherwise, every Tibetan becomes merely a reminder of how we pledged away our birthright.

I thank you for your far sightedness and your strength of commitment to say that. It cannot be easy for you to make that stance publicly because there are strong forces that want us to forget our struggle for Tibetan independence. But at the same time, you are careful to preserve what is precious to all Tibetans which is our reverence for His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama. This too is important to note.

In essence, what you stated was that it is not impossible and contradictory to love and revere His Holiness the Dalai Lama and at the same time hang on to the basic rights and freedoms that all human beings are entitled to. Freedom to choose is our right bestowed upon us as human beings and protected by the Tibetan Constitution.

I understood your meaning, which was to say that exercising our rights as human beings does not mean we reject His Holiness the Dalai Lama. I agree with you wholeheartedly Tenzing la.

I also note your recent statement in Phayul.com when you announced the ‘Chalo Delhi’ program, that it is also time to introspect on “the movement, our policies and foster unity among ourselves when China is trying to destroy it even in exile”. And that the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) should encourage and include people with different opinions and ideologies in discussions.

As you have said many times, there are elements that seek to divide us. As it is, we are already a very small community facing a very powerful enemy. Apart from Rangzen vs MW, and divisions based in regionalism, one very harmful issue that has divided us is the worship of Gyalchen Shukden, as I am sure you are aware.

I am one victim of such a division. I come from a family of Gyalchen Shukden worshippers. We have worshipped this protector for many generations just as we have loved and respected His Holiness the Dalai Lama. Just like seeking independence does not mean we are against His Holiness the Dalai Lama, neither does being a believer of Gyalchen Shukden mean we oppose the Dalai Lama.

But today our family is broken because of this issue. But regardless of what sect or region we belong to or what protector we worship, we are all Tibetan people and we all love our country. The time is not for us to look at what separates us but what unites us. Our internal divisions have weakened us and it is very clear to see Tibetans fighting Tibetans instead of uniting against a common enemy. As you said, Tibet is in a critical state now and if our struggle for independence becomes merely a memory, then those who seek to divide us would have won.

You, honourable Tenzing la, are a fighter for freedom and independence. Does the freedom you fight for include our freedom to exercise all our basic human rights including our right to a religion of our choice? In a truly free and democratic society, no one should be punished for having different opinions and ideologies and religion. This is the foundation of being free.

I am asking because as a Tibetan I would like to see our nation free and independent again. And so I would like to join your ‘Chalo Delhi’ program. In the past, the CTA has said that people who worship Gyalchen Shukden cannot join anything organised by them. Like this, we as a nation of people will become weaker and weaker and so I disagree with the CTA’s stand on this. I do not see how I can only be regarded as a Tibetan only if I reject our fight for independence, only if I come from a specific region or belong to a certain sect and follow a certain religion the CTA say I can worship. If that is the case, then we already lost what we are fighting for.

The ‘Chalo Delphi’ program is under the TYC of which you are the President. I am hopeful of the changes you stand for. Accordingly I seek your commitment to foster genuine Tibetan unity that cuts across political preference, region and religion. Please Tenzing la, please break what has kept the Tibetan people apart and unite us again.

I eagerly await your confirmation that the ‘Chalo Delhi’ program and all TYC programs are for all Tibetan people regardless of region or sect or religion. It would be my great honour to stand with you in your fight for all Tibetan people.

Yours in hope and trust,
Tsering Samten

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Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: thaimonk on March 17, 2019, 09:41:13 PM
Tibetan leadership does so much to divide their own people even BEFORE they have their country back in India and Nepal. Once they get their country back, if they do, they will segregate more people based on religion and other social constructs. Tibetans in Tibet are overall very backwards and very primitive in thinking. They are always very violent when dealing with each other. They will definite segregate each other and there will be many civil wars.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Tracy on March 18, 2019, 10:11:30 AM
I am not a Tibetan, but I can feel how sad and frustrated Tsering Samten is. From what he wrote, he seems to be a person who loves the Dalai Lama and Tibet a lot. He strongly believes in the Tibet cause and he wants to contribute to make the cause a successful one. Unfortunately, due to the Dorje Shugden ban, his basic right as the Tibetan in exile was taken away, he is like the untouchable even though he has not done anything wrong.

CTA claims to be a democratic government, people have the religious freedom to choose what they want to believe and practice. But this is not true, Tsering Samten is segregated in his own community, he was not allowed to attend the secular talk of the Dalai Lama, he kind gesture of offering his service to fight in the Tibet cause was completely ignored simply because he is a Dorje Shugden follower.

To make the Tibet cause successful, there must be unity in the Tibetan community. At the moment, due to various conflicts, the Tibetans are split into different fractions, each group have their own ideology. If CTA continues to allow segregation in the Tibetan community, the Tibet cause will never be successful. Tibetans are losing their faith in CTA and CTA should feel alarmed. If CTA doesn’t resolve the conflicts in the Tibetan community, there will be even fewer Tibetans participating in the uprising anniversary event in the future.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Drolma on March 18, 2019, 10:31:00 AM
To be honest, the Tibetans should not allow CTA to continue to be their leader. What can they give to the Tibetans? For the past 60 years, CTA constantly creates problems and conflicts in the Tibetan community, they don't take care of the welfare of the Tibetans, they misuse the donations give to the Tibetans, all they do is splitting the Tibetan community into different fractions. They make use of the Tibet issue to make money for themselves.

If they cannot even improve the lives of 80,000 Tibetans in India, how is that possible they are able to give a better future to millions of Tibetans in Tibet? The Chinese government has successfully reduced the poverty rate in Tibet from 37% to 7.9% in 2018, can CTA do that? Tibetans in Tibet now make more money than those in India, they have a very comfortable life. Who wants to change that?

This is a reality check, how many Tibetans in Tibet and outside of Tibet really want Tibet to be an independent state? There are not many supporters, why does CTA still want to waste time and money to pursue the Tibet cause? Go for the Middle Way approach which will be a win-win situation to both the Chinese government and the Tibetans.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: PrajNa on March 18, 2019, 12:04:29 PM
Tibetan leadership does so much to divide their own people even BEFORE they have their country back in India and Nepal. Once they get their country back, if they do, they will segregate more people based on religion and other social constructs. Tibetans in Tibet are overall very backwards and very primitive in thinking. They are always very violent when dealing with each other. They will definite segregate each other and there will be many civil wars.

Central Tibetan Administration claims that they are democratic, why do they discriminate people based on religion? Worse still, Dorje Shugden practitioners are recognised by the resolution of the Tibetan Parliament in Exile as criminals in history. Can you believe that?

You can see for yourself here and they proudly put in on their official website: https://tibet.net/2014/03/tibetan-parliament-passes-resolution-concerning-dolgyal/

I've also put it here below as an attachment.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Drolma on March 18, 2019, 06:29:26 PM

Central Tibetan Administration claims that they are democratic, why do they discriminate people based on religion? Worse still, Dorje Shugden practitioners are recognised by the resolution of the Tibetan Parliament in Exile as criminals in history. Can you believe that?

You can see for yourself here and they proudly put in on their official website: https://tibet.net/2014/03/tibetan-parliament-passes-resolution-concerning-dolgyal/

I've also put it here below as an attachment.

This is what Dorje Shugden followers have to go through. The ban is imposed unlawfully without any ground, this is already bad. The Tibetan leadership makes it even worse by criminalising Dorje Shugden followers. Seriously, what did Dorje Shugden followers do that they deserve this?

CTA is the lousiest government in the world. They are very capable of creating problems but they are not capable of taking care of their own people. Instead of protecting Tibetans and maintaining harmony in the community, CTA wants the Tibetan community to split into different groups that are hostile to one and other so that the people's power is weakened. When the people's power is weak, CTA can continue to do what they want and no one will go against them.

CTA is full of lies and deceptions. All they care is the benefits they are going to get. This is why the lives of the Tibetans living in the exile community did not improve at all and the Tibet cause has no progress. CTA has no intention to improve Tibetans' lives because they need poor Tibetans to help them get money from the sponsors. In order to cover up their evil plan and their failure as the government, they conveniently put the blame on Dorje Shugden.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Alex on March 22, 2019, 01:59:36 PM
This is just ridiculous. Why would anyone be condemned and labeled as criminals just because they choose to practice a certain religion? This is ridiculous especially when the Tibetan government proudly claimed themselves as democratic government. There is nothing democratic in persecuting someone based on their religion choice.

The Tibetan government lied to the whole world saying that they are a democratic body. They are able to get millions of donations when they cry about how China had been suppressing human rights in Tibet and they need help from other countries. However, if one looks closely on how the Tibetan government operates, you will find that they are nowhere near a democratic body.

They did the exact same thing that they accuse China of doing which is suppression of human rights. They disregarded religious freedom by banning Dorje Shugden practice despite no valid reason of why the practice is being banned. However, little did they know is that the people that will suffer most will be their own Tibetans in exile.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: michaela on March 25, 2019, 02:53:16 AM
There are already so few Tibetans in exile, and their population continues to dwindle. Even that they cannot get their act together. Among the Tibetans in exile, they discriminate against Shugden practitioners and denied them of health care, education, employment, etc. Just another reason for us not to support the Tibetan government in exile.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: pemachen on March 25, 2019, 03:00:58 AM
This is just ridiculous. Why would anyone be condemned and labeled as criminals just because they choose to practice a certain religion? This is ridiculous especially when the Tibetan government proudly claimed themselves as democratic government. There is nothing democratic in persecuting someone based on their religion choice.

That's the Tibetan leadership for you. That's why from the "Tibetan Government in Exile", they are now "Central Tibetan Administration". Soon, it will become "Tibetan People Association" because they are reduced to nothing after eligible Tibetans migrate to other countries, including going back to Tibet, and those in India become Indian citizens.  8)
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Tracy on March 25, 2019, 03:30:11 AM
This is sad, isn't it? The Dorje Shugden followers are discriminated against by their own government. They did not kill or rob a bank, but yet they are criminalised. This is all due to Lobsang Sangay. I wonder what has he studied at Harvard that he can make such an unlawfully decision. Dorje Shugden followers are also Tibetans, they also love their country, why can't they express their love for their country? Their basic human rights as Tibetans are not granted to them by their government. The human rights activists should look into this issue and condemn the action of the CTA.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Alex on March 25, 2019, 03:43:20 AM
This is sad, isn't it? The Dorje Shugden followers are discriminated against by their own government. They did not kill or rob a bank, but yet they are criminalised. This is all due to Lobsang Sangay. I wonder what he studied at Harvard that he can make such an unlawful decision. Dorje Shugden followers are also Tibetans, they also love their country, why can't they express their love for their country? Their basic human rights as Tibetans are not granted to them by their government. Human rights activists should look into this issue and condemn the action of the CTA.

Dorje Shugden practitioners are just scapegoats for the failure of the Tibetan government. They are just being used as a shield and also a distraction for the whole world to forget about what the Tibetan government is supposed to do which is to fight for Tibet's freedom. Until now they have not been able to deliver their promise and they are keeping quiet about it.

They blew up the Dorje Shugden issue and hope that the world and Tibetans will focus on the Dorje Shugden ban instead of the question of Why the Tibetans are still in India after 60 years. Actually, the Dorje Shugden issue is a very small religious issue and there is no need for them to blow it up this big. That is why we can see their true intention behind the ban and most importantly, Dorje Shugden people are innocent.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Rowntree on March 25, 2019, 04:35:17 AM
With more Tibetans in India opt for the Indian passports, it is clear to us that the Tibetans no longer believe that they can travel to Tibet, let alone to go back to their country. The Tibetans are practical in this sense. Better to be seen as a 'traitor' that stateless.

Tibetan leadership does so much to divide their own people even BEFORE they have their country back in India and Nepal. Once they get their country back, if they do, they will segregate more people based on religion and other social constructs. Tibetans in Tibet are overall very backwards and very primitive in thinking. They are always very violent when dealing with each other. They will definitely segregate each other and there will be many civil wars.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: daka on March 25, 2019, 04:47:48 AM
Well, at least the Tibetans are smarter now. They learn their lesson not to trust CTA anymore on their fight for Tibetan cause. This recent case of Dorje Shugden practitioner being rejected is another proof of the insincerity of the CTA in fighting for Tibetan cause. There's nothing much to say.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: dsnowlion on March 25, 2019, 04:54:49 AM
No Tibetans should be shunned upon by their own leaders. If they are experiencing so, it goes to show that their leaders are FAKE and care nothing about the people but only to serve and benefit themselves. No good leader would suppress their own people.

Dorje Shugden people are still humans and they have their rights too. When you as a leader shun your own people, then without the people, you are nothing because you will have no one to lead except a bunch of yaks. But I guess what do we expect from a bunch of bigger yaks. Sorry to say but CTA leaders are not the brightest.

More and more Tibetans are moving forward and becoming citizens of other countries and nations... so soon CTA will only have themselves to command and manage which they probably even can't because from within they are also fighting which other and can't even get their facts right > Who is lying, Samdhong or Sangay?
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/who-is-lying-samdhong-or-sangay/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/who-is-lying-samdhong-or-sangay/)
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Alex on March 28, 2019, 12:17:32 PM
Tibetans should separate the issue of Religious freedom with the fighting of Tibet's independent. They are not the same because one is a religious issue and the other is a political issue. They should not be mixed together because it will create a very messy situation as the nature of both the issue is different.

The Tibetan government is a religious and political government because their leader, His Holiness the Dalai Lama is both a monk and a leader of a country. It is never a good idea to combine both issues together because everything will get mixed up and a simple straight forward problem will be blown out of proportion as both religion and politics both are a sensitive area on their own.

Just like the Dorje Shugden ban. It is a very small issue if everyone just treats it as a religious issue. However, the Tibetan government chose to make it a political issue as well and that is why the ban is so huge now that affects everyone including those who are not even in the same religion. This is how CTA distracts the public from focusing on the real problem.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Rowntree on April 01, 2019, 06:03:21 AM
It should be clear to us by now that CTA's democracy is just a word that they utter. The CTA has not practised any forms of democracy and they are not ready for it. Democracy is for older and more developed countries. Since there is no country for the CTA and the people are still very much focus on the older ways, democracy will not work. So, it is expected that they are biased in their form of democracy, especially in the Dorje Shugden practice.

Central Tibetan Administration claims that they are democratic, why do they discriminate people based on religion? Worse still, Dorje Shugden practitioners are recognised by the resolution of the Tibetan Parliament in Exile as criminals in history. Can you believe that?

You can see for yourself here and they proudly put in on their official website: https://tibet.net/2014/03/tibetan-parliament-passes-resolution-concerning-dolgyal/

I've also put it here below as an attachment.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Tracy on April 01, 2019, 06:18:03 AM
Honestly speaking, it is really the government who makes the system effective or not effective. Most people say communism is not a good system, but look at how powerful China is now. They say democracy is the best system, look at the US and the European countries, they are not in a very good position.

If the government has the best interest for the people, they will be able to implement the right strategy. The most important thing is there must be unity and harmony. Countries with too many political parties or too many groups with different ideologies tend to be slow in the development of their countries and economies because most of the plans cannot be executed due to disagreements among different groups. The Tibetan community is a very good example.

It really does not matter what is the system, as long as the system can improve people's lives, it is a good system. There is a famous saying from the late President of China, Mr. Deng Xiao Ping (who was also the one open the door of China to the world). He said it does not matter if the cat is black or white, as long as the cat is capable of catching rats, it is a good cat.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Alex on April 08, 2019, 02:14:50 AM
Honestly speaking, it is really the government who makes the system effective or not effective. Most people say communism is not a good system, but look at how powerful China is now. They say democracy is the best system, look at the US and the European countries, they are not in a very good position.

If the government has the best interest for the people, they will be able to implement the right strategy. The most important thing is there must be unity and harmony. Countries with too many political parties or too many groups with different ideologies tend to be slow in the development of their countries and economies because most of the plans cannot be executed due to disagreements among different groups. The Tibetan community is a very good example.

It really does not matter what is the system, as long as the system can improve people's lives, it is a good system. There is a famous saying from the late President of China, Mr. Deng Xiao Ping (who was also the one open the door of China to the world). He said it does not matter if the cat is black or white, as long as the cat is capable of catching rats, it is a good cat.

Communism has been condemned for centuries by democratic countries in the west. At one point, it is a crime to be affiliated with communism and many people lost their job and persecuted. It is known as McCarthyism. During this time, anyone who is accused of being connected to communism will be persecuted even without sufficient evidence.

After so many years, the condition has changed. China had risen to be one of the most powerful countries in the world and every country in the world wanted to be her friend regardless of her being the communist country. This proves to the world that communism is not a bad way of running the country after all as long as the needs of the country can be fulfilled.

The Tibetan government is not going to like it as China gain more and more influence in the world. Soon, they will be forced to stop all their criticism on China once China's influence takes its root. They will have to find a way out of their mess soon or their people will choose to go back to Tibet which seems to be a much better option even now.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Tracy on April 16, 2019, 04:48:29 AM
No Tibetans should be shunned upon by their own leaders. If they are experiencing so, it goes to show that their leaders are FAKE and care nothing about the people but only to serve and benefit themselves. No good leader would suppress their own people.

Dorje Shugden people are still humans and they have their rights too. When you as a leader shun your own people, then without the people, you are nothing because you will have no one to lead except a bunch of yaks. But I guess what do we expect from a bunch of bigger yaks. Sorry to say but CTA leaders are not the brightest.

More and more Tibetans are moving forward and becoming citizens of other countries and nations... so soon CTA will only have themselves to command and manage which they probably even can't because from within they are also fighting which other and can't even get their facts right > Who is lying, Samdhong or Sangay?
[url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/who-is-lying-samdhong-or-sangay/[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/who-is-lying-samdhong-or-sangay/[/url])


That is why everyone says the CTA is the lousiest leader in the world. They create conflicts and disharmony to split their people into small groups so the people's power is weakened and no one can do anything to the CTA. The CTA can continue to use their power to gain personal interest.

Due to the Dorje Shugden ban, Dorje Shugden followers are segregated by their own people and government. They are not given the right every Tibetans are entitled to. They also love Tibet but their love for their country is denied. This is extremely unfair.

With a government that is so unfair and mistreats its people, it is no wonder more and more Tibetans are moving forward and leaving India for other countries. The CTA only wants to exploit the Tibetans for their own benefits, they don't care about the welfare and future of the Tibetans. It will be very stupid to stick with the CTA.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Alex on April 16, 2019, 05:34:49 AM
No Tibetans should be shunned upon by their own leaders. If they are experiencing so, it goes to show that their leaders are FAKE and care nothing about the people but only to serve and benefit themselves. No good leader would suppress their own people.

Dorje Shugden people are still humans and they have their rights too. When you as a leader shun your own people, then without the people, you are nothing because you will have no one to lead except a bunch of yaks. But I guess what do we expect from a bunch of bigger yaks. Sorry to say but CTA leaders are not the brightest.

More and more Tibetans are moving forward and becoming citizens of other countries and nations... so soon CTA will only have themselves to command and manage which they probably even can't because from within they are also fighting which other and can't even get their facts right > Who is lying, Samdhong or Sangay?
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Even at this hour, with the number of Tibetans in India dwindling down, the Tibetan leadership still do not change their way and start to really care for the Tibetans. The Tibetans have nowhere to go and they either stay in India or they will have to go to a foreign country that they are totally not familiar with. There are a lot of challenges for them to do that because many foreign countries had stopped accepting refugees.

Hence, we know that when Tibetans decided to leave their own government to go elsewhere. It means that they are utterly disappointed with their own government and they are willing to go through the suffering again and reallocate to another country.

Tibetan leadership really did a bad job in supporting their own people. The result is obvious and everyone can see that Tibetan settlements are not working anymore.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Tenzin K on April 17, 2019, 09:26:07 PM
One hand Tibetan leadership is asking for the freedom to go back to their homeland and has been campaigning for the past 60 years. On the other hand, the Tibetan leadership took away the freedom from their people who are Dorje Shugden practitioners. Is this sound hypocrite? The world is watching the Tibetan leadership and how funny to see how the Tibetan leadership being so immature managing their country and their people. If China is considered wrong to take over Tibet and how can CTA be right by creating discrimination within its own people just because they have a different preference for spiritual practice.

At this very crucial moment isn’t that Tibetan leadership should unite their people and to gather one voice and one motivation together to work on the Tibetan cause? Instead, we are seeing how the Tibetan leadership separates their people and imposed violence to their own people that don’t follow their instruction. Tibetan has lost their country and their leaders are further tearing their people apart. Wish CTA all the best in demolishing Tibetan culture and tradition.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Drolma on April 30, 2019, 01:06:02 PM
This is how unfair the Tibetan leadership is to its own people. In order to get away from their failure to free Tibet, they make Dorje Shugden the scapegoat and segregate Dorje Shugden followers from the rest of the Tibetan community and Buddhist community. As a leadership, they are extremely unfair to deny the basic rights of Tibetans who practice Dorje Shugden.

Dorje Shugden followers are just like other Tibetans, they love everything about Tibet, they love His Holiness and they are proud to be a Tibetan. But the CTA refuses to give them access to the public facility such as hospitals, the encourage business owners to have any business deals with Dorje Shugden followers. They outcast Dorje Shugden followers.

How can a government be so biased? Even if they want to ban a belief, they should not deny the basic rights of their people. They are many criminals in the world but their government has never disallowed them to use the public facility or to vote. They can still attend the public speech given by their leaders. Does the CTA really understand what democracy is?
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Tenzin K on May 05, 2019, 02:32:41 PM
The key point here why as a Tibetan but still can't support Tibetan Freedom is because you are a Dorje Shugden practitioner. To CTA regardless who you are, as long as you are Shugdenpas you are the public enemy no matter how good you are. This is how smalll and narrow the CTA mindset. They just want to use Shugden as the scapegoat to cover thieir failure.

Why CTA after 60 years still depending on donations and unable to self sustain and didn't achieve anything at all? It's obvious!.... already lost their country still not enough, further make the situation even worst by implementing religious ban. Where in the world have you seen a leader which in refugee and further punish their own people by discriminating them. What type of leader is this? After 2 years of implementing the ban what is the result that CTA achieved? After the 20 years of ban any changes for the Tibetan cause? can the Tibetan in India go back to Tibet now? if not how close are they in making it happen? All Tibetan should ask this question to the Tibetan leadership and get the answer!
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Alex on May 05, 2019, 09:07:51 PM
The Tibetan government cannot and will not think that why are they in the same situation even after so many years of failures of getting Tibet back from China. They have received so much of aids from India and also the western countries but they still unable to make any progress on the only thing that can need to concentrate on which is the fight for Tibetan cause.

The Tibetan government have been using their own culture and heritage to try to get attention from the western countries around the world. Since they are unable to so, they arsing another method which is to encourage their own people to kill themselves by self-immolation to raise awareness.

More than 160 Tibetans had killed themselves by self-immolating and the Tibetan government did not do anything to stop their own citizen from carrying out the horrendous act. Instead of educating their own people that life is precious and they should not be wasting it, the Tibetan government shamelessly published a guideline on how to self-immolate effectively to raise awareness on the Tibetan cause issue. What kind of government encourage their own people to kill themselves?
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Tracy on June 12, 2019, 08:10:35 PM
CTA is the most ridiculous government in the world. They are the only government in the world who blame their failure on a Buddhist deity. They spent millions of dollars to print books and videos that are full of lies and bring no benefit to the people.

The CTA has no respect to anyone, not even the Dalai Lama. This is how arrogant they are. The Dalai Lama wants the Middle Way Approach but the CTA is doing everything that is opposite to what the Dalai Lama wants. They are not being appreciative to the Dalai Lama, they have forgotten how the Dalai has helped them to raise fund the Tibetan community.

CTA doesn't want the Dalai Lama to go back to China because they want to continue to make use of the Dalai Lama to make more money. If the Dalai Lama goes back to China, the CTA will lose their biggest money generator. CTA focuses on themselves more than anything else.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: daka on June 13, 2019, 01:53:15 AM
What CTA has been doing for decades has come back to them. They discriminate Dorje Shugden practitioners, they use religion to split their people, they cause disagreement between family members, they even blame Dorje Shugden for their own failure in bringing the Tibetans back to Tibet. Now their people have started to leave the Tibetan settlements. Without Tibetans, there will be no CTA as they have no reason to exist anymore.  Their karma is ripening now.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Alex on June 14, 2019, 06:39:52 PM
What CTA has been doing for decades has come back to them. They discriminate Dorje Shugden practitioners, they use religion to split their people, they cause disagreement between family members, they even blame Dorje Shugden for their own failure in bringing the Tibetans back to Tibet. Now their people have started to leave the Tibetan settlements. Without Tibetans, there will be no CTA as they have no reason to exist anymore.  Their karma is ripening now.

I agree. 60 years had passed and CTA had not been progressing. In fact, they are degenerating and they had not been doing much for the Tibetans. They are just sitting in India waiting for donations to pour in from the western countries. When the donations are running low, Lobsang Sangay will go on a world tour to brainwash the world to make them think China is the big bully and the poor Tibetans need more money.

Many Tibetans had left the settlements in India to fight for a better future elsewhere. Many are successful with their new life but not those who are in the Tibetan settlements. No more Tibetans are coming into India to join CTA as they know the situation is not good there. Hence, the number of Tibetans in the settlements are decreasing drastically and soon there will be no one left there.

When there are no more Tibetans in exile in the Tibetan settlements, CTA will have to close down. Let us hope that day will come sooner as CTA has proven to be a bad influence on the Tibetans and they are part of the reason why Tibetans do not have their own country now.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Tracy on October 22, 2019, 12:38:45 AM
One hand Tibetan leadership is asking for the freedom to go back to their homeland and has been campaigning for the past 60 years. On the other hand, the Tibetan leadership took away the freedom from their people who are Dorje Shugden practitioners. Is this sound hypocrite? The world is watching the Tibetan leadership and how funny to see how the Tibetan leadership being so immature managing their country and their people. If China is considered wrong to take over Tibet and how can CTA be right by creating discrimination within its own people just because they have a different preference for spiritual practice.

At this very crucial moment isn’t that Tibetan leadership should unite their people and to gather one voice and one motivation together to work on the Tibetan cause? Instead, we are seeing how the Tibetan leadership separates their people and imposed violence to their own people that don’t follow their instruction. Tibetan has lost their country and their leaders are further tearing their people apart. Wish CTA all the best in demolishing Tibetan culture and tradition.

The CTA is using religion as a political too to avoid taking up the responsibility. They have failed to fulfil their promise to bring the Tibetans back to Tibet and to free Tibet. In order to distract people from scrutinising them, the CTA put the blame on Dorje Shugden.

In addition, the CTA is also using Dorje Shugden to split the Tibetans, to create disharmony in China. Unfortunately, Dorje Shugden is used as a scapegoat to achieve the political agenda of the CTA. Dorje Shugden followers become the victims of the whole episode.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Tenzin K on October 26, 2019, 07:46:08 AM
As long as you are Shugden practitioner you are not allowed to participate in anything organized by CTA or Dalai Lama. Regardless if you are Tibetan or not. This is how small the thinking of Tibetan leadership. They can make a fust for such a small thing instead of uniting the Tibetans and respect the differences in spiritual practice which is normal for many other countries. Successful country practices religious freedom and human rights. What important to a country is peace, harmony and unity. Everyone has their right to choose their spiritual practice as long as it doesn't violate the law of the country.

For Tibetan leadership, you are wrong as long as you go against them. There is no room for your own preference even though you are harming anyone. There is no democratic under Tibetan leadership and that is why Tibetan in exile never achieve anything with CTA for the past 60years and we will not see any improvement in the future as well.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Drolma on November 04, 2019, 07:57:28 AM
As long as you are Shugden practitioner you are not allowed to participate in anything organized by CTA or Dalai Lama. Regardless if you are Tibetan or not. This is how small the thinking of Tibetan leadership. They can make a fust for such a small thing instead of uniting the Tibetans and respect the differences in spiritual practice which is normal for many other countries. Successful country practices religious freedom and human rights. What important to a country is peace, harmony and unity. Everyone has their right to choose their spiritual practice as long as it doesn't violate the law of the country.

For Tibetan leadership, you are wrong as long as you go against them. There is no room for your own preference even though you are harming anyone. There is no democratic under Tibetan leadership and that is why Tibetan in exile never achieve anything with CTA for the past 60years and we will not see any improvement in the future as well.
This is how Tibetans are ruled since the older days, no one can go against the authority. Anyone who goes against the authority will be penalised and punished. This is what happened to Penpa Tsering. He was dismissed from his position without much explanation and advanced notice.

Even though the court has ruled that the CTA was wrong to defame Penpa Tsering but the CTA still claimed they are not at fault. They even said the court was biased! This is the type of democracy the CTA practised, you have the voting rights but your voice will be ignored.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Ngawang on November 05, 2019, 03:53:34 AM
It is very hard for the Tibetans to separate politics from religious issues because their government is already a mixture of both. His Holiness the Dalai Lama served as the political and religious leader in CTA. On top of that, His Holiness the Dalai Lama is alike the King where whatever he says is the rule and no one can have a different opinion other than his.

Anyone who has a different opinion will be treated as a traitor or a Chinese spy. It has been this way for hundreds of years ago. Hence, CTA can do whatever they like without the fear of being overthrown by the public as they have absolute power on their side.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Drolma on November 05, 2019, 06:01:55 AM
It is very hard for the Tibetans to separate politics from religious issues because their government is already a mixture of both. His Holiness the Dalai Lama served as the political and religious leader in CTA. On top of that, His Holiness the Dalai Lama is alike the King where whatever he says is the rule and no one can have a different opinion other than his.

Anyone who has a different opinion will be treated as a traitor or a Chinese spy. It has been this way for hundreds of years ago. Hence, CTA can do whatever they like without the fear of being overthrown by the public as they have absolute power on their side.
The CTA has to face the reality, it is hard to separate politics from religious for the Tibetans because Tibet was run in such a way. But they should also see that this mode of ruling does not bring them any where! They are not getting any better but they have more problems every day. The Tibet issue is still unresolved after 60 years.

The Dalai Lama wanted to separate the religion and politic but not the CTA. The CTA knows that it is the Dalai Lama who brings them the money, they still rely on the Dalai Lama. Therefore, they will still make use the the Dalai Lama's name for their personal agenda. The precious Tibetan Buddhism very sadly, is used as a money making tool.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: dsnowlion on November 05, 2019, 08:50:20 AM
It is very hard for the Tibetans to separate politics from religious issues because their government is already a mixture of both. His Holiness the Dalai Lama served as the political and religious leader in CTA. On top of that, His Holiness the Dalai Lama is alike the King where whatever he says is the rule and no one can have a different opinion other than his.

Anyone who has a different opinion will be treated as a traitor or a Chinese spy. It has been this way for hundreds of years ago. Hence, CTA can do whatever they like without the fear of being overthrown by the public as they have absolute power on their side.

Unless the Dalai Lama dissolves everything and make it zero so they will have to merge and join forces with others in order to survive and to preserve the culture. Most importantly the teachings... maybe that is why the Dalai Lama purposely kick Dorje Shugden lamas out so it seems? So that Dorje Shugden lamas can actually branch out, sprayed and reach out more to other all over the world especially Tibet! And this is how we can preserve and sprayed our lineage. You'll never know how all these high lamas operate. They have a much bigger vision and purpose... hence in His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche I trust.

Listen to what the Dalai Lama has to say about his institution from 1:11:00


Can you guess what the Dalai Lama is saying?
Ooh oh CTA bye bye... decomposing soon or has it already begun... lol.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Drolma on November 07, 2019, 10:33:55 AM
It is very hard for the Tibetans to separate politics from religious issues because their government is already a mixture of both. His Holiness the Dalai Lama served as the political and religious leader in CTA. On top of that, His Holiness the Dalai Lama is alike the King where whatever he says is the rule and no one can have a different opinion other than his.

Anyone who has a different opinion will be treated as a traitor or a Chinese spy. It has been this way for hundreds of years ago. Hence, CTA can do whatever they like without the fear of being overthrown by the public as they have absolute power on their side.
Maybe you are right to say that. If it was not because of the Dorje Shugden ban, Dorje Shugden will not become such a famous protector. The Chinese government will not let down their guard on Dorje Shugden lamas if they have a close relationship with the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama drew the line very clear between him and Dorje Shugden followers. The Chinese government knows that Dorje Shugden followers are segregated by the Dalai Lama so they are not a threat that will cause disharmony in China. On that basis, the Chinese government is more than happy to support the Dharma work undertaken by Dorje Shugden lamas.

Without the Dorje Shugden ban, Tibetan Buddhism might not have survived in Tibet. To a certain degree, the Dorje Shugden ban has brought some benefits to Tibetan Buddhism.

Unless the Dalai Lama dissolves everything and make it zero so they will have to merge and join forces with others in order to survive and to preserve the culture. Most importantly the teachings... maybe that is why the Dalai Lama purposely kick Dorje Shugden lamas out so it seems? So that Dorje Shugden lamas can actually branch out, sprayed and reach out more to other all over the world especially Tibet! And this is how we can preserve and sprayed our lineage. You'll never know how all these high lamas operate. They have a much bigger vision and purpose... hence in His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche I trust.

Listen to what the Dalai Lama has to say about his institution from 1:11:00


Can you guess what the Dalai Lama is saying?
Ooh oh CTA bye bye... decomposing soon or has it already begun... lol.
Title: Re: Forget my religion, why can’t I support Tibetan Freedom?
Post by: Drolma on November 07, 2019, 10:35:59 AM
It is very hard for the Tibetans to separate politics from religious issues because their government is already a mixture of both. His Holiness the Dalai Lama served as the political and religious leader in CTA. On top of that, His Holiness the Dalai Lama is alike the King where whatever he says is the rule and no one can have a different opinion other than his.

Anyone who has a different opinion will be treated as a traitor or a Chinese spy. It has been this way for hundreds of years ago. Hence, CTA can do whatever they like without the fear of being overthrown by the public as they have absolute power on their side.

Unless the Dalai Lama dissolves everything and make it zero so they will have to merge and join forces with others in order to survive and to preserve the culture. Most importantly the teachings... maybe that is why the Dalai Lama purposely kick Dorje Shugden lamas out so it seems? So that Dorje Shugden lamas can actually branch out, sprayed and reach out more to other all over the world especially Tibet! And this is how we can preserve and sprayed our lineage. You'll never know how all these high lamas operate. They have a much bigger vision and purpose... hence in His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche I trust.

Listen to what the Dalai Lama has to say about his institution from 1:11:00


Can you guess what the Dalai Lama is saying?
Ooh oh CTA bye bye... decomposing soon or has it already begun... lol.

Maybe you are right to say that. If it was not because of the Dorje Shugden ban, Dorje Shugden will not become such a famous protector. The Chinese government will not let down their guard on Dorje Shugden lamas if they have a close relationship with the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama drew the line very clear between him and Dorje Shugden followers. The Chinese government knows that Dorje Shugden followers are segregated by the Dalai Lama so they are not a threat that will cause disharmony in China. On that basis, the Chinese government is more than happy to support the Dharma work undertaken by Dorje Shugden lamas.

Without the Dorje Shugden ban, Tibetan Buddhism might not have survived in Tibet. To a certain degree, the Dorje Shugden ban has brought some benefits to Tibetan Buddhism.