Thank you so much for asking these questions which have been on my mind for quite a while.
The CTA or Tibetan government-in-exile which is an NGO really (No-Good Organization) who went about supporting and appointing all kinds of Tulkus including the "missing" Panchen Lama has not said a single thing about the not missing Panchen Lama although the Dalai Lama has confirmed, a couple of times and clearly, that there could be multiple incarnations of the same mindstream which is not limited.
With that also comes the question which the above have asked - which is the real Karmapa CTA?
Which?
Please answer for all to know ye almighty CTA.
Need to know. Really urgent.
I don't want to pray to the wrong, fake Karmapa - just as you have advised and enforced not to pray to the devil evil conniving dangerous bad terrible shorten the Dalai Lama's life DORJE SHUGDEN.
Karmapa Thaye Dorje recognized by Sharmar Rinpoche is heading the Kagyu Monlam 2018. Is he the real Karmapa. Or is Ogyen Trinley the real one? Which one is it?
Pictures of Karmapa Thaye Dorje heading the Kagyu Monlam festival in Bodhgaya, India 2108 - https://www.karmapa.org/kagyu-monlam-2018-the-story-so-far-photos/ (https://www.karmapa.org/kagyu-monlam-2018-the-story-so-far-photos/)
When it suits them, one is fake and one is real.
Before, when Dalai Lama recognised Orgyen Trinley, he was a young man who through Tai Situpa, could be controlled and the CTA thought they can control the Kagyupas BUT NOW that Karmapa Orgyen Trinley has decided that enough is enough and refusing to be another CTA puppet, cutting away the CTA's strings on him by becoming a citizen of Dominica, SUDDENLY the Dalai Lama goes to Bodhgaya Kagyu Monlam to "meet Karmapa Thaye Dorje".
So, is Thaye Dorje the real Karmapa or not?
The CTA and Dalai Lama must declare who the REAL KARMAPA is and stop playing the Kagyu sect and their followers.
Why so much confusion. Isn't one Karmapa enough?? The CTA should stop this confusion and let the Karmapa and the lineage of the Karma Kagyu continue as it has been their tradition. There is no need for a Fake Karmapa! Why creating all these problems?
The 17th Karmapa Orgyen Trinley publicly turned his back on the 14th Dalai and his CTA in 2018.
At the 2018 Kagyu Monlan he publicly condemned the 5th Dalai Lama and his murderous ways against the Karma Kagyu.
This was a direct shot against the Dalai Lama lineage and his governments.
The rest of this article is from a article I posted here on this matter.
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17th Karmapa publicly condemns murderous 5th Dalai Lama
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The following is a quote from part of the 17th Karmapa's speech at the 2018 Monlam.
He publicly states that the 5th Dalai Lama and his murderous Mongolian Army friends lead by Gushen Khan destroyed Karma Kagyu monasteries and lineages.
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Likewise, if you think about the history of the Kagyu lineage, and in particular the Karma Kamtsang, there have been many losses. For example, when the Mongol Gushen invaded, their armies razed many Karma Kamtsang monasteries and many lineages of practices and explanations were lost.
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You can find all this at Tsem Rinpoche's website under the title "Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje Explosive Special Message" dated March 09, 2018.
Finally we now see that even the 17th Karmapa stated that the Dalai Lama's lineage has engaged in the destruction of Monasteries and the Lineages.
He puts the blame squarely at the feet of the 5th Dalai Lama.
The same 5th Dalai Lama who attempted to murder Dorje Shugden with Fire Pujas.
The same 5th Dalai Lama who's Government was behind the MURDER of Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen.
We know what with 5th Dalai Lama did to the Sakya, Karma Kagyu, Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen and Dorje Shugden.
We know what the 13th Dalai Lama did to Tengyeling Monastery, His Holiness Demo Tulku, His Eminence Nyari Tulku, Methar, Kache (Tsiu) Marpo's Protector Chapel and the Tengyeling Oracle and Lineage.
We know what the 14th Dalai Lama has done to Dorje Shugden and his followers.
We know what the 14th Dalai Lama has done by creating fake anti Dorje Tulkus like the fake Dome Geshe Rinpoche and Serkong Dorje Chang.
Now we have the voice of the 17th Karmapa tell all the world what he thinks.
Praise to the 17th Karmapa Ogyen Trinley.
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Orgyen Trinley has now become a citizen of Dominica and has turned his back on the Dalai Lama and his CTA.
They in return are now courting Thaye Dorje to be their puppet with the carrot of recognizing him as the true Karmapa.
Their present to him for doing their bidding with be the keys to Rumtek Monastery.
Now that there are 2 Karmapa, it will be best if Tibetan Leadership can let us know so that we won’t follow the wrong one and end up going to the three lower realms for following a fake lama.
Tibetan leaders are the one who actually divide Tibetans, create disharmony. Their real motive behind is to divide and rule, to divide attention to their failure as a government but no care about her people, their welfare, their future. They just eat and eat money. Then when no money they move to oversea to study and retire, one good example is Dhardon Sharling!
This is HOT NEWS! How come the CTA still hasn't announced which Karmapa people should denounce and which one to follow? They did that with the Panchen Lama, Serkong Dorje Chang, Domo Geshe Rinpoche, Kundeling Rinpoche and etc. They also created two Gelug, one that practices Dorje Shugden, the other that not. They just love to split the lineage and the reincarnations all for political purposes.
Sharmapa Rinpoche is the highest authority in the Karma Kagyu after Karmapa. By age old tradition, Sharmapa is the one that confirms the real incarnation of Karmapa. He recognized Thaye Dorje as the genuine Karmapa. But Dalai Lama endorsed Orgyen Trinley as the real Karmapa. Dalai Lama is a great lama but there has never been a tradition of him recognizing a Karmapa.
Both 'Karmapas' have big followings in and out of Tibet. So which one should we follow? We have to follow the genuine Karmapa. If we follow the fake one, we will get fake teachings, fake lineage and no results. We can even take rebirth in the lower realms.
Only the Tibetan leaders can tell us which is the real Karmapa. You have told us which one is the real Panchen Lama. We follow the Panchen of your choosing. Since then we have condemned China and condemned the fake Panchen Lama. Now it is the same situation with Karmapa. We have denounce the fake Karmapa and ask him to step down. He is destroying the Karma Kagyu Lineage.
This issue has torn the Karma Kagyu sect in half. There are many who are so confused and some gave up Tibetan Buddhism altogether because of this. We must solve the confusion. This does not look good for the Tibetan government in exile because the confusion was started by Tibetan government. I support Dalai Lama and Tibetan government. But so many of us need to know the real Karmapa already. Don't remain silent. Which one is the real Karmapa.
Sad to say the truth loud out - The Dharamsala office (Dalai Lama's office) is just using these high lamas to gain money, fame and support. Like for example, one of the two Karmapas must be the fake one. IF the fake one is going to be Ugyen Thrinley, obviously he was Dharamsala's puppet and I am glad he is out from India and Dharamsala office's control now.
Dharamsala office couldn't care less about what is happening with the Karma Kagyu's lineage. I guess they are now scratching head thinking how to deal with the incarnation of Sharmapa. Maybe the Dharamsala office is going to recognise their own Sharmapa?
Oh dear, please, not again! 3 Karmapas, 2 Sharmapas, 2 Panchens, 2 Dromo Geshes, 2 Kundelings...
Dharamsala office is annoying
We know that these days the so-called Tibet cause is no more than just lip service. Which Tibetans in exile really fight for the Tibet cause beside arranging a small protest here and there and encouraging the people inside Tibet to self-immolate. Remember that the self-immolation is performed by the people inside Tibet and not outside. They do so because the CTA praised the previous self-immolation victims for their patriotism. Then they paraded the face of the victims around the world to request donations. What a shame to be under such administration!
CTA has failed to regain their country and they need to cover their failure. Dorje Shugden is one of the ways CTA uses to shift the blame. By staying silent on the Karmapa issue, CTA is hoping to divide the Karma Kagyus so that they can also blame the Kagyus for disunity, resulting in Tibetan Cause being a lost cause.
When will CTA ever become a REAL government for their people? Looks like NEVER, seeing how they are still stuck in India for the last 60 years and nothing has changed. Instead of uniting Tibetans, CTA has effectively split the Tibetans to so many fractions with the Shugden ban, the 2 Panchen Lamas and now the 2 Karmapas.
CTA is doing a great job at destroying the Tibet Cause and Tibetan Buddhism. No government in the world has managed to achieve what CTA has - To destroy their own country and their official religion.
CTA is really, really doing so much harm to their people and destroying the sacred Tibetan Buddhist lineages with so many doubts in the Masters and their teachings. How are they allowed to still be in existence? Pure lineages took centuries to establish in their true and trusted methods and yet, in just a few years, CTA managed to create so much distrust and damage the credibilities of true lineage Masters. CTA is nothing but the HERETICS of Tibetan Buddhism. Those who value their legacies of pure teachings and practices should join forces to oust the devils of Tibetan Buddhism.....
Give us back our faith and trust. Tell us who is real or fake. Double Karmapa, Panchen Lama, Dromo Geshe Rinpoche, Serkong Rinpoche, etc. CTA, decide and let us know. We do not want to follow the wrong practice nor do we want to go to hell for the wrong practice. We are waiting for your announcement!!!
CTA is really, really doing so much harm to their people and destroying the sacred Tibetan Buddhist lineages with so many doubts in the Masters and their teachings. How are they allowed to still be in existence? Pure lineages took centuries to establish in their true and trusted methods and yet, in just a few years, CTA managed to create so much distrust and damage the credibilities of true lineage Masters. CTA is nothing but the HERETICS of Tibetan Buddhism. Those who value their legacies of pure teachings and practices should join forces to oust the devils of Tibetan Buddhism.....
Give us back our faith and trust. Tell us who is real or fake. Double Karmapa, Panchen Lama, Dromo Geshe Rinpoche, Serkong Rinpoche, etc. CTA, decide and let us know. We do not want to follow the wrong practice nor do we want to go to hell for the wrong practice. We are waiting for your announcement!!!
This is true. Tibetans are very confused on who to follow, and already Tibetans are losing unity because of being in exile and being scattered around the world. The Central Tibetan Administration is not making things easier. Of course, many will follow His Holiness' the Dalai Lama's choice, but then that would mean the Tibetans will lose confidence in the lamas or the system who recognised these reincarnated lamas not chosen by His Holiness. Either way, it's a lose-lose situation. I wonder if this is the beginning of the end of the Tulku system in Tibetan Buddhism.
CTA is really, really doing so much harm to their people and destroying the sacred Tibetan Buddhist lineages with so many doubts in the Masters and their teachings. How are they allowed to still be in existence? Pure lineages took centuries to establish in their true and trusted methods and yet, in just a few years, CTA managed to create so much distrust and damage the credibilities of true lineage Masters. CTA is nothing but the HERETICS of Tibetan Buddhism. Those who value their legacies of pure teachings and practices should join forces to oust the devils of Tibetan Buddhism.....
Give us back our faith and trust. Tell us who is real or fake. Double Karmapa, Panchen Lama, Dromo Geshe Rinpoche, Serkong Rinpoche, etc. CTA, decide and let us know. We do not want to follow the wrong practice nor do we want to go to hell for the wrong practice. We are waiting for your announcement!!!
This is true. Tibetans are very confused on who to follow, and already Tibetans are losing unity because of being in exile and being scattered around the world. The Central Tibetan Administration is not making things easier. Of course, many will follow His Holiness' the Dalai Lama's choice, but then that would mean the Tibetans will lose confidence in the lamas or the system who recognised these reincarnated lamas not chosen by His Holiness. Either way, it's a lose-lose situation. I wonder if this is the beginning of the end of the Tulku system in Tibetan Buddhism.
Until today, the CTA is not saying anything about the Karmapa yet especially after the 2 Karmapas had met up and after the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley decided to give up the Indian IC card. We need an answer from the CTA, they have to tell us which Karmapa is real and which is fake. We only follow the one chosen by the CTA.
The CTA has the experience to identify the real and the fake lama, see how the CTA told us the Chinese Panchen Lama is fake and not to follow him? They can consult Nechung oracle on this issue as well. It is important to know that because if we follow the wrong Karmapa, the teachings we receive will not have blessings, we will not have attainment, we might even end up in the hell realm.
Why double standard again? Why didn't the CTA run campaigns to condemn the fake Karmapa for deceiving people? The CTA has the responsibility to ensure the purity and preservation of a lineage. They must not let the fake Karmapa stain the Kagyu lineage. The CTA has done such a good job in preserving the Gelug lineage by banning Dorje Shugden practice, I am sure they can also protect the Kagyu lineage by identifying and advising us which Karmapa to follow. They must also condemn the fake Karmapa like how they do to Dorje Shugden so people don't follow the wrong path.
The CTA has officially recognized Ogyen Trinley Dorje as the 17th Karmapa as reported by Phayul.com on Friday March 17, 2017.
Here is the link.
[url]http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=38870&t=1[/url] ([url]http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=38870&t=1[/url])
March 31, 2017
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The Tibetan leader His Holiness the Dalai Lama and the CTA recognize Ogyen Trinley Dorje as the 17th Karmapa. However, the Indian government has not yet lifted the restriction it imposed on the young Lama to visit Rumtek, which is guarded by Indian paramilitary force (BSF).
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We all know that the CTA and the Dalai Lama have been telling us OFFICIALLY since 1992 that Ogyen Trinley Dorje is the 17th Karmapa.
So can we stop playing this silly game of "The CTA MUST tell us who is the fake Karmapa"!!!!!
THEY HAVE SO LETS MOVE ON.
The CTA has officially recognized Ogyen Trinley Dorje as the 17th Karmapa as reported by Phayul.com on Friday March 17, 2017.
Here is the link.
[url]http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=38870&t=1[/url] ([url]http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=38870&t=1[/url])
March 31, 2017
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The Tibetan leader His Holiness the Dalai Lama and the CTA recognize Ogyen Trinley Dorje as the 17th Karmapa. However, the Indian government has not yet lifted the restriction it imposed on the young Lama to visit Rumtek, which is guarded by Indian paramilitary force (BSF).
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We all know that the CTA and the Dalai Lama have been telling us OFFICIALLY since 1992 that Ogyen Trinley Dorje is the 17th Karmapa.
So can we stop playing this silly game of "The CTA MUST tell us who is the fake Karmapa"!!!!!
THEY HAVE SO LETS MOVE ON.
This is so confusing, the Dalai Lama always changes his tone. Who should we believe and what to believe? In the beginning, the CTA and the Dalai Lama said the Chinese Panchen Lama was fake. Many campaigns were launched by the CTA to condemn the fake Panchen Lama. Many years later, the Dalai Lama said the fake Panchen Lama might also be a real incarnation of the previous Panchen Lama.
For the Karmapas, it is the same again. The Dalai Lama has never met with the Karmapa Thaye Dorje, this shows that the Dalai Lama does not recognise him as the real Karmapa. Now, the Dalai Lama changed his tone to say the other Karmapa can also be real. Did the Dalai Lama say that because he can no longer control the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley and he thinks he can somehow influence the Karmapa Thaye Dorje to be on his side?
Whatever it is, the CTA cannot keep quiet on the Karmapa issue. They are the authority to tell which Tibetan lamas are fake and which are real. They have put so much effort into condemning the fake Panchen Lama, why are they not doing that for the Kagyu lineage? Isn't it their job to make sure all the Tibetan Buddhist lineages remain pure?
His Holiness the Dalai Lama has recently said that it is possible for Thaye Dorje to be the Karmapa too. Looks like this is the trend following the Panchen Lama's statement last year. So, CTA has to tell us which is the real Karmapa, now that His Holiness said it's possible to have a few reincarnations. So what about the 3rd claimant of Karmapa? He's a reincarnation too? :o
While he said that it was possible for the 16th Karmapa to have a few reincarnations, the Dalai Lama made it amply clear that there should be only one holder of the seat of the 17th Karmapa. The 14th Dalai Lama chose to remain quiet as to who will decide on the holder of the heads of Tibetan schools of Buddhism with the presence of two Panchen Lamas, two Karmapas and the Chinese government already initiating the process of anointing the 15th Dalai Lama.
[url]https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/not-my-business-to-decide-on-successor-dalai-lama/story-pI7CFgqSFnmBg9ZSOvWMTP.html[/url] ([url]https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/not-my-business-to-decide-on-successor-dalai-lama/story-pI7CFgqSFnmBg9ZSOvWMTP.html[/url])
The issue here is the CTA lies, and they keep on lying and the slowly but surely the skeleton is being uncovered! Now let's here what they say about Thaye Dorje and did the Dalai Lama wanted to try to become friends now? 'Karmapa' Thaye Dorje rejects the Dalai Lama > [url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=6240.0[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=6240.0[/url])
He has never taken any pictures with Thaye Dorje... why did he crash the Bodhgaya Kagyu Monlam in hope to get a picture with him but what a slap in the fece, and Thaye Dorje purposely escaped the Dalai Lama. Looks like he did not want to meet the Dalai Lama and that's a clear indication he is for real... not a fake lama that wants to rub shoulders with the Dalai Lama for fame and fortune. He is saying outright, he doesn't need the Dalai Lama to help him or promote him cos he is authentic!?! Wow! [/size]
Look at this video how much the Karmapa factions are fighting. The Tibetan government (The Central Tibetan Administration (CTA)) in exile is responsible for this. The CTA interfered in the Karmapa's recognition which resulted in more than one Karmapas. The situation causes confusion and unrest among the Karma Kagyu followers. The CTA is responsible for this mess, so they have to do something to solve this.
Why the double standard from the CTA again? For the Panchen Lama issue, the CTA is very vocal about it. They launch campaigns to let everyone know who is the real Panchen Lama and advise us not to follow the fake one. They do it to protect the purity of the lineage, it also clearly indicates that there can only be one Panchen Lama.
In the case of the Karmapa, why is the CTA not doing the same to protect the Karma Kagyu lineage? Why is the CTA not telling us who the real Karmapa aggressively? Is it because the Gelug lineage is more precious than the Karma Kagyu lineage? How can a government play favoritism?
Whether Gelug or Karma Kagyu lineage, they are both very precious. The CTA as the guardian to the Tibetan Buddhism as they claim, they should protect all lineages. They seem to put more effort and focus on Gelug lineage, why the favoritism? They are sectarian in this case because they care more about the Gelug lineage.
Why the double standard from the CTA again? For the Panchen Lama issue, the CTA is very vocal about it. They launch campaigns to let everyone know who is the real Panchen Lama and advise us not to follow the fake one. They do it to protect the purity of the lineage, it also clearly indicates that there can only be one Panchen Lama.
In the case of the Karmapa, why is the CTA not doing the same to protect the Karma Kagyu lineage? Why is the CTA not telling us who the real Karmapa aggressively? Is it because the Gelug lineage is more precious than the Karma Kagyu lineage? How can a government play favoritism?
Whether Gelug or Karma Kagyu lineage, they are both very precious. The CTA as the guardian to the Tibetan Buddhism as they claim, they should protect all lineages. They seem to put more effort and focus on Gelug lineage, why the favoritism? They are sectarian in this case because they care more about the Gelug lineage.
Personally I think it's because for the Panchen Lama issue, they can garner sympathy for Tibet cause and also get funding. Not so with the Karmapa issue, because it seems to be an internal/religious issue.
CTA operates based on profit, or profit-making for their own pocket, unfortunately. :(
Thanks to Tai Situ now there are 2 Karmapas. He even brought people to Rumtek and create the riot during the White Karmapa's enthronement preceded by Sharmapa. This has caused the Indian Government banned both Karmapas from going back to their monastery. There is a lot of heritage there and everyone is eyeing on it.
Politics and greed take over a supposedly high lama who is willing to ruin the lineage by getting his choice of Karmapa endorsed. Tai Situ created all these fractions and enjoyed the material benefits for selling his lineage. He is such a bad example.
Personally I think it's because for the Panchen Lama issue, they can garner sympathy for Tibet cause and also get funding. Not so with the Karmapa issue, because it seems to be an internal/religious issue.
CTA operates based on profit, or profit-making for their own pocket, unfortunately. :(
Personally I think it's because for the Panchen Lama issue, they can garner sympathy for Tibet cause and also get funding. Not so with the Karmapa issue, because it seems to be an internal/religious issue.
CTA operates based on profit, or profit-making for their own pocket, unfortunately. :(
I am sure the CTA is using the Panchen Lama issue to condemn China and to garner sympathy for Tibet cause for more free money. But if the Karmapa issue is an internal/religious within the Kagyu lineage, why did the CTA and the Dalai Lama have to give an endorsement to him that he is the real Karmapa?
The way the CTA handle the Karmapa issue is again with a political agenda. They want the Karmapa to be their puppet so they can use a high lama to continue to get free money. The only mission of CTA is to exploit the lamas, the Tibetans people so they don't have to work hard and they can get rich easily.
The CTA always uses the name of religion to manipulate people. They have failed miserably in the Tibet Cause, in order to cover up themselves they blame it on Dorje Shugden. This sounds so ridiculous that an unseen being is so powerful to destroy a country. But the CTA think everyone is so gullible that they will buy the story.
We all know that the Dalai Lama and CTA recognised the Ogyen Trinley Dorje as the 17th Karmapa. It doesn't mean he is the true Karmapa. We all know it's the Sharmapas who recognises the next Karmapas. Through the recognition by both the Dalai Lama & the Sharmapa (Kunzig Shamar Rinpoche Mipham Chokyi Lodro) of the 17th Karmapas, the Karma Kagyu sects was divided and been in rift since.
It is NOT the Tibetan leadership's job to recognise the Karmapa by tradition. So why would the Dalai Lama reject the Karmapa Thaye Dorje when so many highly attained lamas from various lineages recognized and accept him? Could it be because he's fake?
Now that Thaye Dorje's son could be the Sharmapa, is he still the "fake" Karmapa? Would really want to hear what the Tibetan leaders has to say about this!
The Tibetan leadership did a good job in identifying the fake Panchen Lama and they should also do it for Karmapa. Why are they keeping quiet now since it is a good time for them to speak up. The Karmapa that used to be close to CTA ran away to the western country and now His Holiness the Dalai Lama went to Kagyu Monlam in Bodhgaya which is preceded by the other Karmapa.
So CTA going to recognise both of the Karmapa? This is very confusing. Please Tibetan leadership, I do not want to follow the wrong Karmapa and then go to hell for this. Please help me and choose the right one.
The Tibetan leadership did a good job in identifying the fake Panchen Lama and they should also do it for Karmapa. Why are they keeping quiet now since it is a good time for them to speak up. The Karmapa that used to be close to CTA ran away to the western country and now His Holiness the Dalai Lama went to Kagyu Monlam in Bodhgaya which is preceded by the other Karmapa.
So CTA going to recognise both of the Karmapa? This is very confusing. Please Tibetan leadership, I do not want to follow the wrong Karmapa and then go to hell for this. Please help me and choose the right one.
What is this nonsense about "CTA who is the real Karmapa?".
In 1992 the Dalai Lama and the CTA publicly stated who was the Karmapa and it was NOT Thaye Dorje.
So can we stop this nonsense here and now.
The CTA stated publicly in 1992 who was the Karmapa.
Can we move on now.
What is this nonsense about "CTA who is the real Karmapa?".
In 1992 the Dalai Lama and the CTA publicly stated who was the Karmapa and it was NOT Thaye Dorje.
So can we stop this nonsense here and now.
The CTA stated publicly in 1992 who was the Karmapa.
Can we move on now.
The CTA has to let people know which is the fake Karmapa and which is the real one.
But then as the leadership of the Tibetans, the CTA has to decide which one is real and which one is fake.
I am waiting to see when will the CTA issue a statement to declare who the real Karmapa is. Many Tibetans and Tibetan Buddhist all around the world are waiting for the CTA to make an announcement, they have to give everyone a direction like how they tell us which Panchen Lama to follow. I believe the CTA has the capability to do that since they have done it for the Panchen Lama.
Well CTA what happened to your chosen Karmapa now???
Looks like the Dalai Lama's chosen Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje has a girlfriend and has many girlfriends according to what the news in Taiwan is reporting.
Translation of the Youtube title from a friend: Born amidst "auspicious cloud" descending into the world, showing miraculous signs! Karmapa with millions of devotees involved in a sexual scandal, voice recording exposed: "We experience joy and sorrow of life together" San Li news station
How come Dharamsala's choice of Karmapa has so many scandals, from money scandals to now sexual/relationship scandals. What does this tell us about the Central Tibetan Administration's credibility?
Looks like everything the exile Tibetan Government does is just turning into a huge sham! What a disgrace.
Well, the CTA created their own mess by meddling in the Karmapa issue.
According to the news in the media, Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche made a statement to refute the story, and that the Karmapa doesn't have a girlfriend in Taiwan. Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche said that this "H girl" is not someone special, and definitely not under his direction to get close to the Karmapa.
It's a he says she says situation, so I guess we just watch and see. Here is the short news of Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche's statement being shared on Facebook.
Found on: https://www.trilinq.life/cat/181/node/1244112?fbclid=IwAR0AeHmQiIodlPbmX9kT1saHPwYooIMd27beWZczJEcsRgRSGkil-dTuJGk (https://www.trilinq.life/cat/181/node/1244112?fbclid=IwAR0AeHmQiIodlPbmX9kT1saHPwYooIMd27beWZczJEcsRgRSGkil-dTuJGk)
Well, the CTA created their own mess by meddling in the Karmapa issue.
Your all wrong about who created this mess.
It rest with only one person and one person alone.
The 14th Dalai Lama.
He had no business meddling in the affairs of the Karma Kagyu.
The CTA only endorsed the 14th Dalai Lama's choice as all good puppet governments do when their dictators speaks.
This is not the fault of the CTA but their "Puppet Master" the 14th Dalai Lama.
Dear Harold,
Do you think that is still the case? Of late I see that the Dalai Lama and Lobsang Sangay seems to be at odds but being Tibetan, it is all very subtle. Apart from news that Lobsang Sangay cancelled the Tibetan Religious Leaders Conference last year without informing the Dalai Lama beforehand, we can also see that the Dalai Lama is making efforts to make friends with China while Sangay is still quite hostile to China.
What is your opinion? Is the CTA still a puppet government or are people people like Sangay now thinking on their own but not openly challenging the Dalai Lama?
Thanks
Why the Tibetan leadership still refuses to come out and make a stand for their chosen candidate of Karmapa? Since they have recognized Ogyen Trinley Dorje as the real Karmapa,
Sad to say the truth loud out - The Dharamsala office (Dalai Lama's office) is just using these high lamas to gain money, fame and support. Like for example, one of the two Karmapas must be the fake one. IF the fake one is going to be Ugyen Thrinley, obviously he was Dharamsala's puppet and I am glad he is out from India and Dharamsala office's control now.
Dharamsala office couldn't care less about what is happening with the Karma Kagyu's lineage. I guess they are now scratching head thinking how to deal with the incarnation of Sharmapa. Maybe the Dharamsala office is going to recognise their own Sharmapa?
Oh dear, please, not again! 3 Karmapas, 2 Sharmapas, 2 Panchens, 2 Dromo Geshes, 2 Kundelings...
Dharamsala office is annoying
Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje’s scandal is getting bigger and bigger in Taiwan and surprisingly, the Tibetan leadership did not help their darling Karmapa out. They did not release any statement to protect him or whatsoever. They just enjoy the news and let their darling Karmapa to fend for himself.
India doesn't accept Karmapa Ogyen Trinley, and the Chinese crowd are shocked with this scandal - this false news is damaging Tibetan Buddhism's reputation in Taiwan and Hong Kong. But I guess the CTA doesn't give a damn, after all, their cash cow His Holiness is still alive and giving teachings, so Lobsang Sangay cannot be bothered to address Karmapa Ogyen Trinley's scandal. After all, he's got more travel and holiday plans to rake money off more countries in the West. Now that Karmapa Ogyen Trinley is no longer the 'successor' of the Dalai Lama, who cares? 8)
Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje is fed up of how Tibetan leadership has been treating him and that is why he is rebelling against them. He has been recognized by the Dalai Lama as the Karmapa since a young age and he was controlled by the Tibetan leadership since then.
The Tibetan leadership is grooming him to be a successor to His Holiness the Dalai Lama which is totally absurd. Tibetan leadership is desperate for power and their fear of losing power grew as His Holiness the Dalai Lama grows old. They need a new young and powerful lama to control.
Hence, the Karmapa is the best choice. However, their plan backfired and Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje escaped to the western country. He stayed over 1 year and now he refused to come back to India and took up a Dominican passport to escape from the clutches of Tibetan government. Tibetan leadership had lost their best bid for post-Dalai Lama time which means once His Holiness the Dalai Lama passed away, they will lose their influence and Tibetans In Exile will have freedom once again.
Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje is fed up of how Tibetan leadership has been treating him and that is why he is rebelling against them. He has been recognized by the Dalai Lama as the Karmapa since a young age and he was controlled by the Tibetan leadership since then.
The Tibetan leadership is grooming him to be a successor to His Holiness the Dalai Lama which is totally absurd. Tibetan leadership is desperate for power and their fear of losing power grew as His Holiness the Dalai Lama grows old. They need a new young and powerful lama to control.
Hence, the Karmapa is the best choice. However, their plan backfired and Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje escaped to the western country. He stayed over 1 year and now he refused to come back to India and took up a Dominican passport to escape from the clutches of Tibetan government. Tibetan leadership had lost their best bid for post-Dalai Lama time which means once His Holiness the Dalai Lama passed away, they will lose their influence and Tibetans In Exile will have freedom once again.
Hahaha very true what you say! Their plan sure backfired and bitting them on the backside.
Even before the Dalai Lama passes... the CTA is already sinking! This is the karma they get back for all the chaos and disharmony they created for so many people, Dorje Shugden and Karma Kagyu. They should have remained a true democratic government and not get involved with spiritual affairs but I guess the truth is the Dalai Lama is still KING.
The CTA must have thought that Karmapa Ogyen Trinley will forever be their puppet, and the fact that Karmapa Ogyen Trinley dares to betray them has caught them off guard. What can they say now? The Dalai Lama has recognized the black Karmapa ages ago, unrecognizing him now will not bring them any benefit. The only way is to recognize Karmapa Thaye Dorje, but why Karmapa Thaye Dorje want to accept that? So the CTA now has lost two Karmapas, what are they supposed to say? Whatever they say will only make them look even more untrustable. I believe the CTA will just stay quiet on this.
So many people are asking the CTA to tell them who the real Karmapas is but until today the CTA has not said a single word! It is very important for the CTA to tell us who the real Karmapa is. If people follow the fake Karmapa, the teachings they are following will be fake and they will end up in hell!
One of the CTA's responsibilities is to ensure the Tibetan Buddhism is preserved and remains pure, they must have some guideline to do that. They have done a lot of work to preserve the Gelug lineage, why is that not so much is done for other lineages? They can issue a statement and put it up on their official website to inform everyone, why are they not doing it?
Is it because the Karmapa issue does not bring any benefit to the CTA that is why they are keeping quiet? So, in fact, the CTA is a hypocrite, they don't do much to preserve the Buddhist traditions, they only want money and power. They make use of the high lamas to help them make money. CTA is the most useless government in the world!
After such a long time of people asking the Tibetan Leaders to state who is the real Karmapa, no answer has been forthcoming. Guess they dare not! After all, with either one, they will be in the wrong.
If they go with Karmapa Ogyen Trinley, he ran away and got himself a passport from Dominican Republic and stayed away from India for over a year. Indian government is seeking to persecute him for some alleged crimes and he received much publicity about his alleged affair with many girlfriends. He publically complained about his ordination from the Dalai Lama and his confined life.
As for Karmapa Thaye Dorje, well, he is giving the Tibetan Leaders the cold shoulder. And I don't blame him one bit. He was treated so shoddily back when he was young and Sharmapa requested for his recognition and ordination. So much respect given in the request when there was no need to the requests at all as Sharmapa himself has the authority to do either in lieu of the Karmapa. And in all these years, obstacles had always been created for Karmapa Thaye Dorje wherever he went, to put him down but it only made the fact of his attainment all the more as his enlightened activities grew in spite of all the ill intent. And now, Sharmapa has reincarnated as Karmapa Thaye Dorje's son.
So yeah, the Tibetan Leaders will not dare to declare this or that for they will be wrong themselves. Just as they had been wrong in many choices and decisions made that now are becoming apparent. Like the Chinese Panchen Lama as the real incarnate of the previous, the practice of enlightened protector Dorje Shugden, China's status in the world and even their own welcome in the world (we know that many countries are shunning them for the good relationship with China). Too bad, karma created is coming back to bite now.
I guess Tibetan leadership is regretting why they did not recognize Karmapa Thaye Dorje now because that Karmapa seems to be doing quite well especially that his son could be very well the Sharmapa. CTA sneakily wanted to get close to this Karmapa now because obviously, this Karmapa is way more powerful and influential than Karmapa Ogyen Trinley. That is why, they cannot announce who is the true Karmapa yet because they are trying to get Karmapa Ogyen Trinley under control and in the meantime, they are trying to get close to Karmapa Thaye Dorje.
Has anyone heard anything about the Dalai Lama trying to make a connection with Karmapa Thaye Dorje? Now that Karmapa Ogyen Trinley is missing from the scene. Also, anyone heard any news from Karmapa Ogyen Trinley?
Is the CTA going to announce who the real Karmapa is? It has been so long since the 2 Karmapas met up and the CTA has not said a single word on their meeting. As usual, when the CTA sees no benefit for them, they will not do anything.
In the past, the CTA recognised the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley because the CTA wanted to groom him to become the next Dalai Lama. They don't have their Panchen Lama and within the Gelug lineage, there is no other lama who has the same commanding power as the Dalai Lama. Hence, the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley became the next best candidate.
Now that the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley has run away and the other Karmapa does not give face to the CTA, there is no point for the CTA to meddle in the 2 Karmapas issue anymore. If they make the announcement, they will create problems for themselves because people will doubt them and the Indian government will be very upset with the CTA. The CTA doesn't care if a lineage will continue on, they only care about their own financial interest.
Now both Karmapa refuses to listen to them and it is very obvious why it is so. But they still have to come up with a statement announcing who is the real Karmapa because of the whole mess that they had created by recognizing a Karmapa on their own against the objection from the Sharmapa who is the 2nd highest lama in Karma Kagyu lineage after the Karmapa.
Now both Karmapa refuses to listen to them and it is very obvious why it is so. But they still have to come up with a statement announcing who is the real Karmapa because of the whole mess that they had created by recognizing a Karmapa on their own against the objection from the Sharmapa who is the 2nd highest lama in Karma Kagyu lineage after the Karmapa.
On a side note, the Kagyus are not always friendly with Tibetan leadership or Gaden Phodrang. The Kagyus are rumoured to have procured the Fifth Dalai Lama’s hair and placed it under the steps at the front entrance of Tsurphu Monastery. This was done deliberately so that all who entered the monastery would have to symbolically step over the Dalai Lama, which was considered a grave insult. This incident is one of many that tells of the historic enmity between the Karma Kagyus and the Fifth Dalai Lama and his government. It is rumoured that the Fifth Dalai Lama’s hair is still under the Tsurphu Monastery steps.
Now that the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley has run away, there is no reason for the CTA to get involved in the 2 Karmapas issue again because they don't see any benefit in doing that. It is a messy problem, they will have to deal with so many people and it will be very stressful. Knowing the members of the CTA only want an easy life and be comfortable, they will continue to keep quiet and do nothing about the 2 Karmapas issue.
This is very bad. They really don't care about their spiritual/religious leaders and the mess they have created with this 2 Karmapas issue. Now that one ran away, and the other one is not recognised by His Holiness the Dalai Lama, what would happen to the Kagyu school?
I guess Tibetan leadership is regretting why they did not recognize Karmapa Thaye Dorje now because that Karmapa seems to be doing quite well especially that his son could be very well the Sharmapa. CTA sneakily wanted to get close to this Karmapa now because obviously, this Karmapa is way more powerful and influential than Karmapa Ogyen Trinley. That is why, they cannot announce who is the true Karmapa yet because they are trying to get Karmapa Ogyen Trinley under control and in the meantime, they are trying to get close to Karmapa Thaye Dorje.
Oh definitely they are trying to get chummy now, but Karmapa Thaye Dorje does not need the CTA for anything. Read up on the news about how His Holiness the Dalai Lama tried to show up and 'meet' Karmapa Thaye Dorje during the recent Kagyu Monlam 8)
It was a big slap on the Dalai Lama's face when he visited the Kagyu Monlam venue. There was no Karmapa Thaye Dorje and the media that went with him were disappointed. I bet they wanted to stir some news but too bad Karmapa Thaye Dorje knew the trick and avoided it. After all, he already gave birth to the Sharmapa. He doesn't need the CTA or the Dalai Lama for sure!
I guess Tibetan leadership is regretting why they did not recognize Karmapa Thaye Dorje now because that Karmapa seems to be doing quite well especially that his son could be very well the Sharmapa. CTA sneakily wanted to get close to this Karmapa now because obviously, this Karmapa is way more powerful and influential than Karmapa Ogyen Trinley. That is why, they cannot announce who is the true Karmapa yet because they are trying to get Karmapa Ogyen Trinley under control and in the meantime, they are trying to get close to Karmapa Thaye Dorje.
Oh definitely they are trying to get chummy now, but Karmapa Thaye Dorje does not need the CTA for anything. Read up on the news about how His Holiness the Dalai Lama tried to show up and 'meet' Karmapa Thaye Dorje during the recent Kagyu Monlam 8)
I wonder what the Karma Kagyu will turn into in the near future. With the Sharmapa born in the Karmapa Thaye Dorje's family, they will be powerful to command the whole lineage. I remember that the Kagyu didn't work with the 5th Dalai Lama and did not want to follow his government. "In retaliation, the Kagyus are rumoured to have procured the Fifth Dalai Lama’s hair and placed it under the steps at the front entrance of Tsurphu Monastery. This was done deliberately so that all who entered the monastery would have to symbolically step over the Dalai Lama, which was considered a grave insult." If you are interested, read this article [url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/cta-and-the-kagyus/[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/cta-and-the-kagyus/[/url])
The Kagyu had a history of "going against" the Dalai Lama and the Sharmapa especially, in few reincarnations, have brought much grief to the Dalai Lama. Just like the late 14th Sharmapa Mipham Chokyi Lodro who went to the 14th Dalai Lama and requested him to not recognise Karmapa Ogyen Trinley, the candidate presented by Tai Situ. He has asked the Dalai Lama to recognise his candidate Karmapa Thaye Dorje which the Dalai Lama has refused.
So logically, since that request was not accepted, why should the Karmapa Thaye Dorje meet the Dalai Lama now?
His Holiness the Dalai Lama had rejected the Karmapa Thaye Dorje before when Sharmapa first recognized him as the Karmapa. He even refused to ordain him when Sharmapa requested for it. Clearly, His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Tibetan leadership does not want to have anything to do with him.
If that is what they want, why are His Holiness the Dalai Lama and CTA trying to connect with Karmapa Thaye Dorje? What are they trying to do? Aren't they ashamed of what they did and now they try to connect with him? I guess it must be related to Karmapa Ogyen Trinley's rebellion to CTA's wishes.
Karmapa Ogyen Trinley had been running away from CTA and he even took up a Dominican passport. It signifies Karmapa will not be under control of the CTA anymore. CTA needs him to rule over Tibetan during post Dalai Lama era. They are desperate to find a replacement and that is why they are trying to get close to Karmapa Thaye Dorje.
When we talk about spiritual organisations, we don't expect to see conflicts. Unfortunately, conflict does exist as most people are still not enlightened. The conflict between the Kagyu and Gelug lineage has existed since a few hundred years ago and it continues on until today.
So this is how the Tibetan leadership works, they don't try to resolve conflicts to bring peace in the community. They let the conflicts continue and create disharmony in their society. That is why the Tibetans lost their country and after struggling for 60 years, there is still no progress in the Tibet cause.
The CTA does not care to preserve the precious Tibetan Buddhist traditions. They intentionally create tension in Gelug lineage by imposing the Dorje Shugden ban. They destroy Kagyu lineage by giving one of the Karmapas recognition and ignore the other.
His Holiness the Dalai Lama had rejected the Karmapa Thaye Dorje before when Sharmapa first recognized him as the Karmapa. He even refused to ordain him when Sharmapa requested for it. Clearly, His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Tibetan leadership does not want to have anything to do with him.
If that is what they want, why are His Holiness the Dalai Lama and CTA trying to connect with Karmapa Thaye Dorje? What are they trying to do? Aren't they ashamed of what they did and now they try to connect with him? I guess it must be related to Karmapa Ogyen Trinley's rebellion to CTA's wishes.
Karmapa Ogyen Trinley had been running away from CTA and he even took up a Dominican passport. It signifies Karmapa will not be under control of the CTA anymore. CTA needs him to rule over Tibetan during post Dalai Lama era. They are desperate to find a replacement and that is why they are trying to get close to Karmapa Thaye Dorje.
I think everyone knows by now that the leaders and leadership of the Central Tibetan Administration have no sense of shane. Lobsang Sangay even had barley grains thrown at him when he was consulting Nechung Choegyal and Tsering Chenga to receive the prophecies concerning the government in 2016. He and the government was later condemned by the deities for the “mishandling of the gift of democracy” besides the violation of the Sikyong oath. The government was also warned that the mismanagements could lead to negative consequences on His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s health and life. Lobsang Sangay was subsequently advised by the deities to offer apology to His Holiness the Dalai Lama.
Yet after both Lobsang Sangay and Penpa Tsering offered public apology, we knew how Lobsang Sangay plotted and got rid of competition by unfairly sacking Penpa Tsering with absolutely no regret. This is the kind of people we are talking about so why be surprised that the CTA has no shame and wants to connect with Karmapa Thaye Dorje?
I wonder why the Tibetans did not throw Lobsang Sangay out from the parliament when Nechung manifested displease with him? It is obvious that Lobsang Sangay is doing a really bad job of running the CTA. If the Tibetans listen faithfully to what Nechung says, why are they not asking Lobsang Sangay to resign?
Since they listened to Nechung who speak ill of Dorje Shugden, they should listen to what he reacts toward Lobsang Sangay too. It is unfair for them to be selective and choose what they want to listen to and what they ignore.
Lobsang Sangay is also another shameless fella. How can he act like nothing happened after the State Oracle of Tibet manifested displease with him? He is destroying Tibetans in exile and Tibetans should have seen his tricks now. If they allow this kind of president to govern them, it means that they are ignorant or they are the same as him.
They did! A group of Tibetans living in India, the US and Nepal, said to number around 70, protested at the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA), Dharamshala, from Mar 17 to 24 2018 to demand the resignation or ouster of President Lobsang Sangay. The protesters were reported to have submitted a petition to the Parliament in Exile, calling for the impeachment of Lobsang Sangay. But nothing happens, because Lobsang Sangay is too powerful and the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) doesn't give much consideration to people's voice, despite claiming to be democratic. :(
I wonder why the Tibetans did not throw Lobsang Sangay out from the parliament when Nechung manifested displease with him? It is obvious that Lobsang Sangay is doing a really bad job of running the CTA. If the Tibetans listen faithfully to what Nechung says, why are they not asking Lobsang Sangay to resign?
Since they listened to Nechung who speak ill of Dorje Shugden, they should listen to what he reacts toward Lobsang Sangay too. It is unfair for them to be selective and choose what they want to listen to and what they ignore.
Lobsang Sangay is also another shameless fella. How can he act like nothing happened after the State Oracle of Tibet manifested displease with him? He is destroying Tibetans in exile and Tibetans should have seen his tricks now. If they allow this kind of president to govern them, it means that they are ignorant or they are the same as him.
They did! A group of Tibetans living in India, the US and Nepal, said to number around 70, protested at the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA), Dharamshala, from Mar 17 to 24 2018 to demand the resignation or ouster of President Lobsang Sangay. The protesters were reported to have submitted a petition to the Parliament in Exile, calling for the impeachment of Lobsang Sangay. But nothing happens, because Lobsang Sangay is too powerful and the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) doesn't give much consideration to people's voice, despite claiming to be democratic. :(
They did! A group of Tibetans living in India, the US and Nepal, said to number around 70, protested at the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA), Dharamshala, from Mar 17 to 24 2018 to demand the resignation or ouster of President Lobsang Sangay. The protesters were reported to have submitted a petition to the Parliament in Exile, calling for the impeachment of Lobsang Sangay. But nothing happens, because Lobsang Sangay is too powerful and the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) doesn't give much consideration to people's voice, despite claiming to be democratic. :(
What you said could be true. Tibetans overall are not interested in politics. For generations, they are so used to live under the Dalai Lama's leadership. They have no idea about politics, no idea about human rights and even no idea about how to live without the Dalai Lama. Since Lobsang Sangay belongs to CTA, and the Dalai Lama supports CTA, I think people will just think, "forget about it, just follow the Dalai Lama". I believe this is the overall mindsets. therefore until now, the Tibetans are still content with the CTA's fake democracy.
We should not forget that the 14th Sharmapa went to His Holiness the Dalai Lama to ask him to withdraw his acknowledgement of the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley recognised by Tai Situ. The Dalai Lama said he couldn't withdraw. There had never been a tradition where the Dalai Lama is involved with the recognition of the Karmapa and definitely not by Tai Situ. It has always been the Sharmapa recognising the Karmapa and vice versa.
If the Dalai Lama didn't involve in it, none of this confusion will arise. Please listen to what the Sharmapa has to say. Real practitioner speaks the truth fearlessly. This is a very admirable quality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHBAsBi9hys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHBAsBi9hys)
We should not forget that the 14th Sharmapa went to His Holiness the Dalai Lama to ask him to withdraw his acknowledgement of the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley recognised by Tai Situ. The Dalai Lama said he couldn't withdraw. There had never been a tradition where the Dalai Lama is involved with the recognition of the Karmapa and definitely not by Tai Situ. It has always been the Sharmapa recognising the Karmapa and vice versa.
If the Dalai Lama didn't involve in it, none of this confusion will arise. Please listen to what the Sharmapa has to say. Real practitioner speaks the truth fearlessly. This is a very admirable quality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHBAsBi9hys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHBAsBi9hys)
We should not forget that the 14th Sharmapa went to His Holiness the Dalai Lama to ask him to withdraw his acknowledgement of the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley recognised by Tai Situ. The Dalai Lama said he couldn't withdraw. There had never been a tradition where the Dalai Lama is involved with the recognition of the Karmapa and definitely not by Tai Situ. It has always been the Sharmapa recognising the Karmapa and vice versa.
If the Dalai Lama didn't involve in it, none of this confusion will arise. Please listen to what the Sharmapa has to say. Real practitioner speaks the truth fearlessly. This is a very admirable quality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHBAsBi9hys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHBAsBi9hys)
The reason behind the Dalai Lama's involvement in this Karmapa issue always puzzles me. The Karma Kagyu's reincarnation tradition actually started much earlier than the Gelugs, it has never been an issue even long before the era of the 1st Dalai Lama. In fact, the Dalai Lamas never and shouldn't have involved in the recognition of any of the Karmapa. The tradition of the recognition of the Karmapa has long been set, ie before each Karmapa passes away, he will leave behind a letter foretelling the exact circumstances of his next rebirth. The key is the letter.
Even if for the case of the recognition of the 17th Karmapa, that whereabouts of the particular letter seems to be the key problem, it still has nothing to do with the Dalai Lama. And even if the Karma Kagyu really sought help from the Dalai Lama, what the Dalai Lama should do is still related to the letter, He could have used his clairvoyance to help in locating the letter, but not directly jumped into the recognition of the Karmapa itself. Things could have been much easy and simple and less political. Why the Dalai Lama and the CTA didn't do that but chose to do it the wrong way instead, and did it in such a rush? It's all very suspicious.
It’s really unjustified for Dalai Lama to interference in the Karma Kagyu tradition deceived the sect. This is something the Dalai Lama would have known and could have chosen to honor. There is no tradition in Tibetan Buddhism that allows the Dalai Lama to spiritually override the Shamarpa or indeed any teacher or any head of the other Tibetan Buddhist schools.
In this case, I can only see from the political view where Dalai Lama is purposely recognized one for power control. In each sect. Dalai Lama will place his own people for his control. Unfortunately Ogyen Trinley Dorje unable to continue with the control from CTA and would rather leave India for a better choice in terms of spiritual practice.
The result of having 2 Karmapa candidates is the splitting of Karma Kagyu sect with disharmony and conflicts. The only party that will be benefitted from this is the Tibetan government as they will be able to rule over them easily.
Thanks for posting this story. I remember someone posted this a few years ago, I couldn't find the post. Gaden Phodrang has never really had a good relationship with the Karma Kagyu. To ban the reincarnation of the 2nd highest lama of Karma Kagyu for almost 2 centuries definitely is not a friendly gesture Gaden Phodrang has shown show to Karma Kagyu.
If the relationship between Gaden Phodrang and the Karma Kagyu has been quite tense for so many years, how could we believe whatever action or decision that Gaden Phodrang (now CTA) made in relation to Karma Kagyu is with good intention?
Shamarpa and Karmapa are supposed to recognize each other's reincarnation. Putting the Shamarpa in exile and banning his reincarnation is like to amputate one of Karma Kagyu's legs. If someone amputated your left leg with no obvious valid reason before, are you going to trust him with your right leg? Letting the CTA recognized the Karmapa is just like that. Not even to mention the Gaden Phodrang has no right to be involved with the recognition of the Karmapa, even if it does, the process of the recognition of the 17th Karmapa is so rush, so unprofessional and without going thorough examination and proper procedure. Make it looks more like a power fight. I am surprised not many really fight hard to clarify this.
Wow! Thank you, Rowntree, for sharing the history of Ganden Podrang and the 10th Sharmapa. It is interesting how money could enter into the upper echelon of Buddhist Leaders. Guess, greed can still be a very strong pulling factor no matter what position you may be. It would seem that if the Dalai Lama should pass, then the next highest would be the Karmapa since the Panchen Lama is located in China. So the Karmapa is a very crucial piece of chess or pawn to the interested party, especially CTA. No wonder CTA dare not announce who the real Karmapa is. Don't want to cut their lifeline in case one or the other Karmapa does not work out. 8)
Obviously, we can’t have the fake Karmapa to lead the people in the wrong way. Since the Tibetan leadership is able to recognize another Karmapa they should also announce the fake one to prevent any confusion. The Tibetan leadership has recognized their own leaders in different sect so should be able to identify the fake Karmapa.
You are right. Money is money at the end of the day. "Don't make enemy with money" ~ the CTA's slogan for years! This is precisely why they did not announce who is the wrong Karmapa. Better sit on the fence and observe who can bring them more money! The CTA needs money and support as the Dalai Lama is getting older and this is their grand plan to secure their own interest! Welcome to Shangrila!
I wonder when the Central Tibetan Administration will stop making things hard for Tibetans and creating more problems for Tibetans in exile.
As it is, many Tibetans will not be able to improve their conditions, and heartless Lobsang Sangay doesn't seem to care at all. What kind Sikyong is that?
Agree with you Tenzin K. They really should announce which Karmapa is fake, and which is real. Tibetans are confused after the 2 Karmapas met.
The recognition of Karmapa has never involved the Dalai Lama. Since the Dalai Lama has put his feet in then pls also advice which is the fake Karmapa. Don’t do things halfway and pls give a total solution. Since the Dalai Lama is the emanation of Chenrezig he should be able to provide us the answer as we don’t want to follow the wrong one and end up going to lower realms.
Dalai Lama pls give us your guidance and don't abandon us. NO one we can seek for help as all the time there is only one tradition of recognizing the Karmapa and Sharmapa but with your intervention, we need your kind advice.
I wonder when the Central Tibetan Administration will stop making things hard for Tibetans and creating more problems for Tibetans in exile.
As it is, many Tibetans will not be able to improve their conditions, and heartless Lobsang Sangay doesn't seem to care at all. What kind Sikyong is that?
You are right. Money is money at the end of the day. "Don't make enemy with money" ~ the CTA's slogan for years! This is precisely why they did not announce who is the wrong Karmapa. Better sit on the fence and observe who can bring them more money! The CTA needs money and support as the Dalai Lama is getting older and this is their grand plan to secure their own interest! Welcome to Shangrila!
I wonder when the Central Tibetan Administration will stop making things hard for Tibetans and creating more problems for Tibetans in exile.
As it is, many Tibetans will not be able to improve their conditions, and heartless Lobsang Sangay doesn't seem to care at all. What kind Sikyong is that?
There is no way the Central Tibetan Administration will ever make things easy for Tibetans because they are not there to serve the Tibetans in exile anyway. They are there to serve themselves and their pockets. All they do during their term as one of the Tibetan leadership is to get as much money as they can so they can go overseas to enjoy the rest of their lives while ordinary Tibetans stuck in Tibetan settlements for the rest of their lives with no hope.
That is why most of the Tibetan leadership owns a foreign country passport. If Tibetan settlements are so great, why did they bother to get another passport? It is evident that they are planning their grand escape already. Just like Dhardon Sharling who resigned and enjoying her life in the west now; after all the damage she had done to the Tibetan community.
That is the main reason why after 60 years in India, the Tibetan government are still unable to make any substantial progress on the Tibetan cause. They are not focused on the aim and wasted precious time on petty fights instead of their common goal. Tibetan cause is a lost cause and Tibet will never be independent again. Tibetans will have to accept the fact now and move on.
Not only the Dalai Lama has the capability to recognise a real reincarnation, the CTA has the capability too! Look at how they condemn the 'fake' Panchen Lama recognised by the Chinese government, the CTA is very sure which is the real one and which is the fake one. If they are so capable, why are they keeping quiet now?
But hang on, can the Dalai Lama be wrong? He was so sure who was the real Panchen Lama. But recently, he said the Chinese recognised Panchen Lama is real too! So can we still believe what the Dalai Lama said? Perhaps the Karmapa recognised by the Dalai Lama is a fake? People are demanding the CTA and the Dalai Lama to give an answer because they are not sure anymore.
It is very unfair of the CTA for not further clarifying who the real Karmapa is. If the practitioners follow the fake Karmapa, they will be following the fake teaching, if they follow the fake teaching, they will go to hell. This is no joke. But it seems like the CTA does not care about the spirituality of the practitioners, they only care about their face and what benefit they can get from doing something.
I wonder if Tibetan leadership will announce which is the fake Karmapa? Even if both are the emanation Tibetan leadership should say something and don't keep quite. Both Karmapa has their own followers and any announcement could give an impact to either one. Tibetan leadership has to be very careful and caution on this. They have intervened into the recognition of the Karmapa which is not according to the tradition and anything goes wrong Tibetan leadership has to take full responsibility.
The CTA is very good at telling people which Panchen Lama is the fake one but they didn't bother to tell us which one is the fake Karmapa. Strange? Not at all. The CTA does not want to be seen interfering other lineage's matters. This is why they use the Panchen Lama and Dorje Shugden as a scapegoat to deceive the public of the truth.
Exactly. Why are they so quiet about the Karmapa issue? Perhaps they are hoping they can persuade Karmapa Ogyen Trinley to be on their side again. Perhaps they are trying to get Karmapa Thaye Dorje to be THE Karmapa since Karmapa Ogyen Trinley has now abandoned the CTA. You know, they lost both Karmapa, that's the bottom line, so they don't want to say which is fake and which is real, they want to see who they can get on their side. I think that's why. What do you think, Rowntree?The CTA is very good at telling people which Panchen Lama is the fake one but they didn't bother to tell us which one is the fake Karmapa. Strange? Not at all. The CTA does not want to be seen interfering other lineage's matters. This is why they use the Panchen Lama and Dorje Shugden as a scapegoat to deceive the public of the truth.
In the beginning, the CTA happily 'recognised' the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley who escaped from China to India because the CTA was already planning to groom the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley as the successor of the Dalai Lama. It is not because they want to preserve the precious Karma Kagyu lineage or being the mediator to help to resolve the conflict in Karma Kagyu lineage. Their involvement in the two Karmapas issue had actually complicated the things and cause more tension in Karma Kagyu lineage.
Now that the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley has run away from India and never to come back, the CTA has not said anything to clear people's doubts. The two Karmapas met up, what's next? This is what people are interested to know but the CTA remains quiet about it. The reason is simple, there is no benefit for CTA to get further involved in this issue so they refuse to react to it.
Exactly. Why are they so quiet about the Karmapa issue? Perhaps they are hoping they can persuade Karmapa Ogyen Trinley to be on their side again. Perhaps they are trying to get Karmapa Thaye Dorje to be THE Karmapa since Karmapa Ogyen Trinley has now abandoned the CTA. You know, they lost both Karmapa, that's the bottom line, so they don't want to say which is fake and which is real, they want to see who they can get on their side. I think that's why. What do you think, Rowntree?
Don't be silly. They will never be able to get Karmapa Ogyen Trinley onto their side willingly ever again.they might be able to do it if they can blackmail him into it. Karmapa Ogyen Trinley ran away from them and took up a Dominican Republic passport. It is a clear sign that he wants to get away from the Tibetan government and to break free from the shackles that they had one him for decades.
The Tibetan government has not been treating him well and Ogyen Trinley openly rants about his dissatisfaction of the treatment he received. He is in a depression and he is not in a good shape after all during that public appearance. Why would anybody want to treat a monk so badly?
Now that Karmapa had left the Tibetan Leadership and they do not have anyone to take over Dalai Lama 's throne to control the Tibetans. No wonder they are so desperate until the point where they have to try their luck with the Karmapa that they rejected. Fortunately, Karmapa Thaye Dorje was not around at the Karma Kagyu Monlam at the time when the Tibetan government went to ambush him.
Can you believe it? The Tibetan government still have not given us an answer on who is the real Karmapa and who is the imposter. Do they care about the practitioners who might be following the wrong Karmapa and go to hell after their deaths? WHy do they not clarify on this matter just like the Panchen Lama issue? They responded rather quickly for that but why so slow on Karmapa?
Karmapa is not coming back, that is the truth. Not even Tai Situ Rinpoche is able to convince him to come back. Look at him, he is sitting there representing the Karmapa maybe? Or he actually wants Karmapa to be out of the picture so he can have the power?
Sometimes I just don't understand why is Tibetan Buddhism so complicated, so much politic, so much greed, so much fight, so many scandals. Everything is about the face, about how to accumulate wealth at the expense of others. The Tibetans claim they are Buddhists but what they are doing is not that Buddhist at all.
It is very sad and disappointing that until now the CTA has not learned their lesson. They don't really care about the welfare of the Tibetans. CTA just want to have power and money and not doing anything. Personally, I think Tibetans are better off without the CTA.
It's not Tibetan Buddhism that is complicated, it's the Tibetans, especially the Central Tibetan Adminsitration in Dharamsala. Why can't they just make a simple thing clear? What is happening with the Karmapa? Which Karmapa is the real one? It's not complicated. They made it complicated because they messed around in the recognition and now the public doesn't know who to trust or believe. :-\
Few days back, an estimated 7500 people packed the Tsuglagkhang, the Main Temple and Yard adjacent to His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s residence this morning to participate in offering prayers for his long-life. Karmapa is nowhere to be seen. Why is it that they have not made any statement up till now? I guess they think they can hide and pretend nothing happened.
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Representatives of the Tibetan religious traditions sitting in the front of the Main Tibetan Temple during the Long Life Offering Ceremony for His Holiness the Dalai Lama in Dharamsala, HP, India on May 17, 2019. Photo by Tenzin Choejor
Where is the Karmapa?
Which Karmapa is the real one?
Wow! Now the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley is not invited to CTA's events, even the Dalai Lama's long life? The CTA must be making a stand that they have recognised the wrong Karmapa. Otherwise, they will make sure he attends this important event.[/quote]
The Indian government must be working with the CTA to ban the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley from entering India also. All the rumours about banning this Karmapa is right now. This is just another example of how people are being pulled down for associating with the CTA.
At least it is clear to us now that the CTA is finally admitting that they have recognised a wrong Karmapa that was presented by Tai Situ. CTA always do the wrong thing. They have proven to have done so.
A few days back, an estimated 7500 people packed the Tsuglagkhang, the Main Temple and Yard adjacent to His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s residence this morning to participate in offering prayers for his long-life. Karmapa is nowhere to be seen. Why is it that they have not made any statement up till now? I guess they think they can hide and pretend nothing happened.
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Representatives of the Tibetan religious traditions sitting in the front of the Main Tibetan Temple during the Long Life Offering Ceremony for His Holiness the Dalai Lama in Dharamsala, HP, India on May 17, 2019. Photo by Tenzin Choejor
Where is the Karmapa?
Which Karmapa is the real one?
It's quite obvious that Karmapa Ogyen Trinley has ditched the CTA, and with a Dominica passport, he doesn't need the CTA anymore. Moreover, he spent so much time in USA previously with no trouble, and total freedom to move around and do what he wants. So now the CTA has lost their Karmapa they endorsed. The question is, do they STILL endorse this Karmapa who ran away, or are they now going to endorse the "fake" Karmapa to be the real one 8)??????
The Indian government must be working with the CTA to ban the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley from entering India also. All the rumours about banning this Karmapa is true now. This is just another example of how people are being pulled down for associating with the CTA.
At least it is clear to us now that the CTA is finally admitting that they have recognised a wrong Karmapa that was presented by Tai Situ. CTA always do the wrong thing. They have proven to have done so.
The Indian government must be working with the CTA to ban the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley from entering India also. All the rumours about banning this Karmapa is true now. This is just another example of how people are being pulled down for associating with the CTA.
At least it is clear to us now that the CTA is finally admitting that they have recognised a wrong Karmapa that was presented by Tai Situ. CTA always do the wrong thing. They have proven to have done so.
Why don't they make an official announcement or at least tell the Tibetans in Dharamsala about this? They always post notices in Tibetan, so I wonder why this time around there's nothing at all? They can post notices of Dorje Shugden practitioners and hitlist just because these Dorje Shugden practitioners went for peaceful protest to request His Holiness to talk about the ban. Amazing double standard!
If the CTA wants to make things better, they would have done so when they chased the black Karmapa Ogyen Trinley to Dominica and get new citizenship there. The black Karmapa had enough and he didn't wish to be controlled by the CTA. All these years, he didn't get the education he needed for his role but merely a decorative item for the CTA during events and dharma sharing. The CTA has been using the black Karmapa for their sick agenda.The Indian government must be working with the CTA to ban the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley from entering India also. All the rumours about banning this Karmapa is true now. This is just another example of how people are being pulled down for associating with the CTA.
At least it is clear to us now that the CTA is finally admitting that they have recognised a wrong Karmapa that was presented by Tai Situ. CTA always do the wrong thing. They have proven to have done so.
Why don't they make an official announcement or at least tell the Tibetans in Dharamsala about this? They always post notices in Tibetan, so I wonder why this time around there's nothing at all? They can post notices of Dorje Shugden practitioners and hitlist just because these Dorje Shugden practitioners went for peaceful protest to request His Holiness to talk about the ban. Amazing double standard!
CTA wanted to have full control over the Karmapa that has power. Since their plan with the Black Karmapa failed miserably, they tried to get the other Karmapa on their side. CTA seems to have forgotten that they rejected the Karmapa and even refused to give ordination to him when he was first recognized.
If you think CTA is going to protect Tibetan Buddhism in general, you can forget about it. They are known to be very corrupted. They only care about themselves and they exploit their own people.
For example, the CTA imposed a ban on Dorje Shugden practice and started to produce a lot of materials to condemn Dorje Shugden and its followers. They put the blame of the failure to free Tibet on Dorje Shugden, who is not a person but a divine deity. The CTA is doing this to distract people from scrutinising them. Besides, they are also using Dorje Shugden issue to create troubles in China.
The first thing comes to CTA's mind is whether they can gain anything from the thing they do. If there is no benefit, they will keep quiet and stay away. If there is benefit, they will not hesitate to take action. The Karmapa issue does not give CTA any benefit but more work. Therefore, they will remain silent and not do anything.
If you think CTA is going to protect Tibetan Buddhism in general, you can forget about it. They are known to be very corrupted. They only care about themselves and they exploit their own people.
For example, the CTA imposed a ban on Dorje Shugden practice and started to produce a lot of materials to condemn Dorje Shugden and its followers. They put the blame of the failure to free Tibet on Dorje Shugden, who is not a person but a divine deity. The CTA is doing this to distract people from scrutinising them. Besides, they are also using Dorje Shugden issue to create troubles in China.
The first thing comes to CTA's mind is whether they can gain anything from the thing they do. If there is no benefit, they will keep quiet and stay away. If there is benefit, they will not hesitate to take action. The Karmapa issue does not give CTA any benefit but more work. Therefore, they will remain silent and not do anything.
If you think CTA is going to protect Tibetan Buddhism in general, you can forget about it. They are known to be very corrupted. They only care about themselves and they exploit their own people.
For example, the CTA imposed a ban on Dorje Shugden practice and started to produce a lot of materials to condemn Dorje Shugden and its followers. They put the blame of the failure to free Tibet on Dorje Shugden, who is not a person but a divine deity. The CTA is doing this to distract people from scrutinising them. Besides, they are also using Dorje Shugden issue to create troubles in China.
The first thing comes to CTA's mind is whether they can gain anything from the thing they do. If there is no benefit, they will keep quiet and stay away. If there is benefit, they will not hesitate to take action. The Karmapa issue does not give CTA any benefit but more work. Therefore, they will remain silent and not do anything.
The reality is that it's Dorje Shugden who helped Dalai Lama escaped Tibet. The Tibetan leadership has twisted the truth, and now the Central Tibetan Administration is the one destroying Tibetan Buddhism - creating the confusion with 2 Karmapas, 2 Panchen Lamas and many more duplicate Rinpoches thanks to their interference in recognising a candidate when they are not supposed to. But now, it seems that the Tibetan leadership has 'lost' its Karmapa, and His Holiness the Dalai Lama is saying that the Chinese Panchen Lama is also a manifestation. Very weird and more confusing for the public.
For those who may not have read this, this the truth of how the Dalai Lama escaped Tibet: [url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/controversy/articles-controversy/the-truth-behind-who-saved-the-dalai-lamas-life/[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/controversy/articles-controversy/the-truth-behind-who-saved-the-dalai-lamas-life/[/url])
Everything CTA did contributes to the downfall of Buddhism because of their selfish mind that only think about themselves. There is nothing they do that can be of benefit to ANYONE. That is how selfish they are. Look at the mess that they created in Tibetan Buddhism scene. 2 Panchen lamas and 2 Karmapas because of them being nosy with the religious affairs which they are not supposed to be sticking their hands into.
Tibetans settlements are going downhill and it never once improved since 60 years ago. The only thing that is improving is the wallet of Tibetan leadership which is full of donations from the western countries that was meant for the Tibetans in exile. I don't see CTA ever did anything to upgrade the Tibetan settlements. Millions and millions of donations vanished and Tibetans in exile never got to see them.
Why Tibetans are willing to stay in the Tibetan settlements? There is nothing for them there and never will be. Only poverty and death is waiting for them. They should wake up and see the true hideous faces of CTA and stop following them blindly.
Why has Tibetan Buddhism become so confusing? Who understands all these fake and real lamas?!
When will this be clarified so that people know what Tibetan Buddhism is about instead of creating all this confusion?
What is the purpose of this? The CTA should have all Tibetans best interests in mind and improve their living situation instead of damaging their people because of their religious choice!
The main perpetrator of all the confusions and deceptions regarding the high lamas are created by the Tibetan government in their game of politics. High lamas are very influential in Tibetan society and CTA is trying to get as many high lamas on their side so they can influence the Tibetans to do their bidding.
The main perpetrator of all the confusions and deceptions regarding the high lamas are created by the Tibetan government in their game of politics. High lamas are very influential in Tibetan society and CTA is trying to get as many high lamas on their side so they can influence the Tibetans to do their bidding.
The Tibetan leadership really creates a lot of confusion with the 2 Panchen Lamas, the 2 Karmapas, and many more double Tulkus or Rinpoches. They are really destroying the faith of people in these High Lamas. Who should the public listen to? How would people know which Lama is real?
CTA does not care about the lineage or the teachings at all. All they think about is how to get a high lama on their side so they can control the Tibetans. They do not care about the spiritual path of those Tibetans who might have followed the wrong lineage lamas that CTA had recognised. CTA created the situation of 2 Panchen Lamas, 2 Karmapas, and other important high lamas as well.
CTA does not care about the lineage or the teachings at all. All they think about is how to get a high lama on their side so they can control the Tibetans. They do not care about the spiritual path of those Tibetans who might have followed the wrong lineage lamas that CTA had recognised. CTA created the situation of 2 Panchen Lamas, 2 Karmapas, and other important high lamas as well.
Karmapa Ogyen Trinley's birthday is in a few days' time I wonder if the Central Tibetan Administration will even care enough to offer any prayers or Tenshug since the Karmapa has now abandoned them. You can see clearly that since Karmapa Ogyen Trinley is of no use to them now and doesn't seem to want to follow their 'leadership' (aka control), the CTA will not do anything to repair the relationship or make any attempt to make the situation better.
It's just typical of Tibetan leadership to do that, that's why they lost their country in the first place - they never listened to the His Holiness the 13th Dalai Lama, and they never listened to Dorje Shugden's advice to attack the Chinese while they can. Read UNCOVERED TRUTH: Evidence of how Dorje Shugden was actually behind the Dalai Lama’s escape out of Tibet to India in 1959 [url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/uncovered-truth-evidence-of-how-dorje-shugden-was-actually-behind-the-dalai-lamas-escape-out-of-tibet-to-india-in-1959/[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/uncovered-truth-evidence-of-how-dorje-shugden-was-actually-behind-the-dalai-lamas-escape-out-of-tibet-to-india-in-1959/[/url]))
CTA is known to associate with anyone that is rich and can support their opulent lifestyle. Karmapa Ogyen Trinley is very, very rich! I would say that he was smart to get away from them while he could. Can you imagine living your life under the close scrutiny of the Tibetan Leaders every waking hours of your life? No wonder he turned to worldly pleasures to escape. That is what CTA does to one. Constantly having to be on guard as they will be plotting to get something out of you. Sad, don't you think? Lobsang Sangay could have ridden on the tailcoat (or should I say robe) of the Dalai Lama and make a name for himself as a kind and caring person but instead, he revels in being a professional beggar. Strange that he chose this path instead of asserting his authority to the world by strengthening his people's position to be global players. I guess investments into skills for his people will eat too much into his own retirement fund. Too bad! Soon he will nothing. As for the Karmapa, he must be relieved to be out of the clutches of greedy CTA.
The CTA sees no benefits in interfering the 2 Karmapa issues now because the Karmapa they recognised has run away from India and they have never recognised the other Karmapa since day one. The chances of them getting control of the other Karmapa is definitely not possible. Their intention has never been to protect and preserve the precious Vajrayana Buddhism.
The CTA sees no benefits in interfering the 2 Karmapa issues now because the Karmapa they recognised has run away from India and they have never recognised the other Karmapa since day one. The chances of them getting control of the other Karmapa is definitely not possible. Their intention has never been to protect and preserve the precious Vajrayana Buddhism.
Few days back was Karmapa Ogyen Trinley's birthday. Seems to not have any celebration in Dharamsala? I read news that it was celebrated in Sikkim. The newly elected Chief Minister of Sikkim Prem Singh Tamang expressed his gratitude for being a part of the occasion and thanked the Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his efficient team in the Centre for having accorded blanket permission to His Holiness the 17th Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorjee to visit Sikkim. However, with the current situation, I wonder if Ogyen Trinley will ever visit Sikkim. Who is the real Karmapa now since the 'real' Karmapa has abandoned the Tibetan leadership/Dharamsala?
It shows how quickly CTA can dump their own Karmapa once they did not get cooperation from him. Karmapa Ogyen Trinley to them is just an asset to control the Tibetans. On the other hand, CTA never recognises Karmapa Thaye Dorje from Day 1 and even refused to be connected to him. Now that they needed him to be on their side, they shamelessly went to him. Fortunately, Karmapa Thaye Dorje is wise enough to avoid them.
It shows how quickly CTA can dump their own Karmapa once they did not get cooperation from him. Karmapa Ogyen Trinley to them is just an asset to control the Tibetans. On the other hand, CTA never recognises Karmapa Thaye Dorje from Day 1 and even refused to be connected to him. Now that they needed him to be on their side, they shamelessly went to him. Fortunately, Karmapa Thaye Dorje is wise enough to avoid them.
This really shows CTA's true colours. Now after they are abandoned by the 'real' Karmapa, they do not hesitate but wants to get the 'fake' Karmapa on their side. They have no respect for the sacred tradition of Tibetan Buddhism - who's the real Tulku or not, as long as they can be used as pawn or support their unethical corrupted self-serving administration. Look at Lobsang Sangay, what has he done for the welfare of Tibetans in exile, really? His self-glorifying speech, 'business' trips overseas, firing of Penpa Tsering drama causing further regionalism sentiments.... :( It's so different when Samdhong Rinpoche was the Kalon Tripa.
CTA is such an ugly government. They are very selfish and they do everything for their own convenience and benefits. They do not care about the welfare of the Tibetans and use them to get to their goals. For donation, they do not hesitate to encourage their own people to self-immolate to draw more attention to the Tibetan issue.
Since then, many Tibetan youths had killed themselves just for the sake of the Tibetan cause. The Tibetan government did not even try to stop them or advise them to not waste their precious lives. Instead, the CTA published a manual on how to perform self-immolation effectively.
This is how the Tibetan government will use their own people until there is nothing left for them to use. All they care about is their donations and they will sacrifice whatever there is to get the money. Most of the Tibetan leadership owns a passport from another country which means they have already prepared their escape route in case the CTA is not going to make it.
Nobody is saying anything about Karmapa issues now because they cannot get any benefits from it. The CTA, whose job is supposed to unite Tibetans and maintain harmony in the Tibetan community is not doing its job. Instead of uniting all the Tibetans, the CTA creates more problems to break the Tibetans into different groups so that the people's power is weakened and no one will be powerful enough to scrunitise the CTA.
Everything the CTA does is always for their benefits, rarely for the Tibetans. They only provide the minimum welfare and benefits to Tibetans, nothing more than that. The CTA is not looking at improving the lives of the Tibetans, they just want the Tibetans to be submissive to them. If people are waiting for the CTA to solve problems, it is impossible!
Karmapa issue got blown up because CTA is behind it. It is actually a very small matter and Karma Kagyu can probably resolve the conflict quite easily. However, due to the involvement of the Dalai Lama and the CTA, they are unable to resolve the issue and it is dividing the whole Karma Kagyu population in two.
Why did the Central Tibetan Administration get involved? It's easy, they want to control everything, even the Dalai Lama if they can. That's why now there's 2 Panchen Lama, 2 Karmapa, and many double Tulkus or Rinpoches out there due to CTA recognising their own candidates for control. What's the difference between them and what they claim China did then - to install their own China Panchen Lama?
Why did the Central Tibetan Administration get involved? It's easy, they want to control everything, even the Dalai Lama if they can. That's why now there's 2 Panchen Lama, 2 Karmapa, and many double Tulkus or Rinpoches out there due to CTA recognising their own candidates for control. What's the difference between them and what they claim China did then - to install their own China Panchen Lama?
To a certain degree, the CTA is controlling the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama was used by his closest people to make money. He is 'sold' like a merchandise. CTA and the Dalai Lama's representative arranged a public talk and appearance of the Dalai Lama with a cult leader. They have received about 2 million dollars for the arrangement.
The Dalai Lama is a monk, he does not need the money. As a monk, it is his duty to spread Dharma, there should not be money involved. CTA and the Dalai Lama's closest people are very selfish, they only think about the money but never take into consideration the reputation of the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama worked very hard to bring the Dharma to people around the world and his hard work is damaged by these greedy people.
The CTA has no intention to maintain harmony and unity in the Tibetan community, this is why the Free Tibet movement is a failure. Since the Karmapa issue is not going to bring any benefit to them, the CTA will also be quiet about it. It has been so long since the dispute started, nothing has been done by the CTA as usual.
There is a new development in the Kagyu lineage. The two Karmapas have jointly written a long life prayer for the Sharmapa. The 17th Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje has also recognised the son of the 17th Karmapa Thaye Dorje as the reincarnation of the Sharmapa Rinpoche. It seems like the two Karmapas are not interested in power, they just want to reunite the Kagyupas and make sure their lineage continue to grow. What they are doing is a very good example to show to the Tibetans the importance of harmony and unity. Hopefully Dorje Shugden ban will be lifted soon.The CTA has been very quiet on the meeting of the two Karmapas. Now the two Karmapas have jointly written a long life prayer for the Sharmapa and the CTA us still quiet about it. First, the CTA recognised the 17th Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje as the reincarnation of the Karmapa, they indirectly are saying the other Karmapa is fake. Now the two Karmapas are kind of acccepted by the Kagyupas, will the CTA say something about it? Will the CTA do similar thing to reconcile with Dorje Shugden followers? At this point of time, unity and harmony are very important if the CTA wants to see some progress in the free Tibet movement.