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Title: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: dsnowlion on September 24, 2018, 12:22:36 AM
Can you believe this?! Look at what the Dalai Lama is saying now. How hypocritical of him. I just cannot believe my ears. Does this mean all those who self-immolated, did it all in vain and for nothing? They died for nothing? CTA encouraged their people to take their lives for nothing? Oh my goodness. How will the families of these deceased Tibetans feel?

And I guess now we can call Dalai Lama a CCP paid agent too, since that is what he is encouraging Tibetans to also accept! No more blaming and pointing the finger, accusing Shugden people! What does this all mean now to the Tibetans especially those fighting for Rangzen/Free Tibet? What a huge blow in their face I would say.

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Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China to capitalize on China’s prosperity
By: Shashi Kei

It has been a busy week for Tibet watchers. As the Dalai Lama tours Europe, the spiritual leader has been triggering alarms, first claiming that he cannot be held responsible for sex offenses committed by Tibetan lamas and teachers he has personally endorsed, and next by stoking Islamophobia by making a statement that “Europe belongs to Europeans” and that the migrants and refugees in Europe (who are mainly from Muslim countries) should ultimately return to their own countries.

But the biggest bombshell was dropped a few days before the Dalai Lama even left for Europe. On 12th September 2018, a video was published on YouTube showing a group of Tibetans in an audience with the Dalai Lama in Dharamsala, India where his Central Tibetan Administration (CTA; Tibetan leadership) is based. What the Dalai Lama said in the audience essentially signals the end of the Tibetan struggle for a free Tibet. In fact, it was a confirmation that the Dalai Lama is now prepared to depend on China for the survival of the Tibetan people and this itself raises the question how the Tibetans can hope to have any meaningful independence or even autonomy if they cannot stand on their own feet. So while the Tibetan continues in its posturing, the fact is, the Dalai Lama realises that it is time to come under China’s sovereignty.

The gist of what the Dalai Lama said to the Tibetan group is as follows:

  Translation

        We, as Tibetans, should stay under China and we should protect our cultures, religion, dharma, education and so on. For example, in China, there are a few autonomous zones and therefore, the three provinces (Kham, Amdo and Ü-Tsang) have the same rights and opportunity to protect our religion and culture.
        You Tibetans love money right? Do you want money or not? Do we prefer a free Tibet but we become beggars (poor) or do we prefer to stay in an autonomous zone under China? That way, if we ask China for money, they will give. [Dalai Lama laughs]
        We have some Tibetans who went to the USA, Belgium for money, isn’t it? We will become a union.
        In a few years from now, there will be big changes. Firstly, I wish to make a pilgrimage to China. [people crying] Then, step by step, I wish to go to my birthplace, Lhasa.
        Can we [Tibetan refugees and the CTA] conquer China to get a free Tibet? [Dalai Lama laughs] If you guys have miracles to show, then it is different. Now India and USA are becoming friends with China.

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Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: DharmaSpace on September 24, 2018, 04:35:10 PM
China is the most powerful economy in the world compared to a lacklustre US.

Everyone wants to sell to the Chinese. 

What more do you need. Head back to Tibet, Tibetans in exile. 
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: SabS on September 24, 2018, 10:05:58 PM
I would say that the statement by the Dalai Lama is the strongest in directly telling all his people to go back to Tibet and there is a future for his people there. I like the way he refer to CTA as "some Tibetans". Very derisive I must say. And clearly the Dalai Lama stated that Independent Tibet is not possible and no other countries of influence will support them in Free Tibet either. It is sad though...it seems that all the Dalai Lama wants to do is to return to Tibet before the end of his life. Like a surrender.....I do hope he will live long. Actually if the people were smart, they would go back to China Tibet and build up Tibet from within. Gain China's confidence and have a strong voice in the Parliament as representatives. That's how they will regain their own country, not independence but having control in governance.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: dsnowlion on September 25, 2018, 04:40:07 AM
I would say that the statement by the Dalai Lama is the strongest in directly telling all his people to go back to Tibet and there is a future for his people there. I like the way he refer to CTA as "some Tibetans". Very derisive I must say. And clearly the Dalai Lama stated that Independent Tibet is not possible and no other countries of influence will support them in Free Tibet either. It is sad though...it seems that all the Dalai Lama wants to do is to return to Tibet before the end of his life. Like a surrender.....I do hope he will live long. Actually if the people were smart, they would go back to China Tibet and build up Tibet from within. Gain China's confidence and have a strong voice in the Parliament as representatives. That's how they will regain their own country, not independence but having control in governance.

Yes I also had the same thoughts regarding this. If only they had done this ages ago and not desperately now. But what I do not get is how the CTA still does things that irritate China and would jeopardise Dalai Lama's chance to return. It is very funny. But one thing is for sure, if Dalai Lama returns, CTA no longer is needed and no longer can use and abuse the Dalai Lama for their own greedy gains! Bye bye CTA hahahaha. Times up for shorty Dhardon and sleazy Sangay.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: SabS on September 25, 2018, 05:02:25 PM

Yes I also had the same thoughts regarding this. If only they had done this ages ago and not desperately now. But what I do not get is how the CTA still does things that irritate China and would jeopardise Dalai Lama's chance to return. It is very funny. But one thing is for sure, if Dalai Lama returns, CTA no longer is needed and no longer can use and abuse the Dalai Lama for their own greedy gains! Bye bye CTA hahahaha. Times up for shorty Dhardon and sleazy Sangay.

It is quite clear that CTA under "sleazy Sangay" is just out for donations and in order to do that, they have to keep antagonising China, against the Dalai Lama's wishes. Sangay already knows that when the Dalai Lama and Tibetans in exile goes back, there won't be any place for the current CTA, must lest Sangay. Wonder how much he had stashed away for his "retirement". That poor Dhardon made to marry another. That poor chap! Stuck with her. But then again, she should be rich enough for him to live well. Another living on handouts. Sigh!
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: Pema8 on September 26, 2018, 11:16:46 AM
The CTA has achieved nothing as now the Dalai Lama tells everyone to go back. There are no more Tibetans coming to Dharamsala because they have a future in China, offered by the Chinese.

On the other side, what has the CTA to offer them? Refugee for many more years with no results...

It is very clear why the Tibetans stay in Tibet and even the Dalai Lama is very clear about this...

Very true @dsnowlion - time is up for Sangay, Dhardon and company... Bye bye or do they wish to build up Tibet from inside?? I doubt it...
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: Drolma on October 03, 2018, 11:43:08 AM
Didn't the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan leadership say Chinese government is not good? They said the Chinese government doesn't give them the right to practice their religion, use their own language and preserve their culture. They were very strong in criticising China. Now, the Dalai Lama said China is good, they give money to people? The Dalai Lama has totally changed the perspective of the public on him. What the Dalai Lama said in this video is a big slap for the Free Tibet activists. He is making himself looks irresponsible and flippant.

The statement made by the Dalai Lama implies that he has already given up hope on the Tibet cause, it will not succeed. So it will be better to go back to China because China will give money to them to preserve their religion and culture. So Dalai Lama agrees that the practice of Buddhism is not oppressed in China, but on the contrary, China is helping to preserve Buddhism and the Tibetan culture? What is more interesting is that he said it is ok to take money from the Chinese government. So now taking money from the Chinese is not a crime anymore? Then stop saying the Dorje Shugden followers are taking money from the Chinese and it is a crime.

What the Dalai Lama said will probably cost the CTA and him to lose sponsors. The sponsors donate to them because of the Tibet cause, if the Dalai Lama is not pursuing the cause anymore, there’s no need for the donations. Why did the Dalai Lama do this? Is it because he is desperate to go back to China and to make CTA go along with the Middle Way approach is to cut off their source of finance?
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: Tracy on October 04, 2018, 03:13:57 PM
So after 60 years of fighting to free Tibet, the Dalai Lama has now given up on the free Tibet movement and he wants to back to China? After 60 years only he concludes that the cause will never succeed? It takes so long for someone to realise some things just will not work?

After the Tibetans escaped from Tibet, they have been receiving fund from the west to survive for the past 60 years. Why are the western countries showing so much sympathy for them? The Rohingyas, the Syrians, the Africans don’t receive so much sympathy from them, so the support for the Tibetans from the west must be motivated by political agenda. The western countries want to use the Tibet issue to undermine China. Unfortunately, this is not working. The Tibet issue didn't stop China from growing to be one of the most powerful economies in the world.

As more and more countries are showing support to China and distance themselves away from Tibetans, the western countries know that the Tibet issue will no longer work if they want to undermine China. No one will continue to invest in a strategy that will no longer work, sooner or later, the western countries will not give financial support to the Tibetans anymore.

The Dalai Lama must have anticipated it already, that is why he keeps saying he wants to go back to China. If he doesn’t and when the western world stop giving them fund, they will have a bigger problem. The Dalai Lama is doing this to protect the Tibetans and he has to do it fast as he is quite old already.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: dsnowlion on October 05, 2018, 01:17:17 AM
So after 60 years of fighting to free Tibet, the Dalai Lama has now given up on the free Tibet movement and he wants to back to China? After 60 years only he concludes that the cause will never succeed? It takes so long for someone to realise some things just will not work?

Maybe the Dalai Lama is fed up with the CTA, hence he is manifesting all this self-sabotaging, PR nightmare speeches that angers nations even more so that in the end the CTA can no longer use him to deceive the world. And in this way he destroys CTA once and for all and secure his people's future with China? Because if anyone who has the resources to preserve and spread Buddhism, it would be China now.

Hence, this is why he is talking to Tibetans and asking them to make their enemy their friends? Dalai Lama is not stupid and definitely not an ordinary being!
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: Tracy on October 17, 2018, 08:54:34 PM
So after 60 years of fighting to free Tibet, the Dalai Lama has now given up on the free Tibet movement and he wants to back to China? After 60 years only he concludes that the cause will never succeed? It takes so long for someone to realise some things just will not work?

Maybe the Dalai Lama is fed up with the CTA, hence he is manifesting all this self-sabotaging, PR nightmare speeches that angers nations even more so that in the end the CTA can no longer use him to deceive the world. And in this way he destroys CTA once and for all and secure his people's future with China? Because if anyone who has the resources to preserve and spread Buddhism, it would be China now.

Hence, this is why he is talking to Tibetans and asking them to make their enemy their friends? Dalai Lama is not stupid and definitely not an ordinary being!

I am sure the Dalai Lama is fed up with the CTA, I would be fed up with them too! The Dalai Lama says it many time that he wants to go back to China, he wants the Middle Way Approach and he does not want independence for Tibet anymore. But the CTA  is not doing anything to fulfill the Dalai Lama's wish.

The CTA continues to do the only thing they excel in, ie., to condemn China. They still support the Rangzen movement. There is no sign indicating they are aligning themselves with the Dalai Lama.

Therefore, the Dalai Lama has to do things his way in order to go back to Tibet as the CTA is unreliable. It looks like he is trying to convince the Tibetans going back to China is a better idea. Once he has the majority of the Tibetans supporting him, it will be easier to put pressure on the CTA.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: SabS on October 19, 2018, 05:46:29 PM
Haha, with the Dalai Lama changing tune to support going back to Tibet under China's rule and working with China in tandem to Tibet's economic growth, CTA needs to have reason to exist. And as such they support Rangzen and this becomes their cause to speak to other countries, albeit small minor countries that couldn't careless. Who would want to support CTA once the Dalai Lama goes back? They are so insignificant and not many of their people even support CTA. And most of their people had or will be moving on with their lives as citizens of another country. There is no Tibet as a country anymore nor citizenships. So why is there CTA? Weird huh! Its like a cloud that could go "Poof" anytime.

The Dalai Lama would do so much better by lifting the ban and reunifying the Dorje Shugden practitioners with their brethren. DS practitioners had practiced loyalty and still cares for the Dalai Lama, despite the sufferings now from DS ban. DS practitioners will be the ones to bring the Dalai Lama back to Tibet China
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: Drolma on November 06, 2018, 08:44:30 AM
It looks like the Dalai Lama is desperate to go back to Tibet and he puts no hope in Lobsang Sangay to bring him back to Tibet. It is actually shocking to hear what he says to the Tibetans. He is now saying the Chinese government is very good, they will give money so better to go back to China.

The way he says it makes himself and the Tibetans look so bad. It makes people feel Tibetans are all gold digger. But what he said is also quite true, the Tibetans in exile are like beggars, they are begging money from the west to survive, they don't have anything to generate income for themselves. They have lived a life like that for the past 60 years.

Going back to China in long run will be better for the Tibetans regardless if their motivation is for the money. China is providing the Tibetans with many opportunities in life, the education, career, etc. Everyone is well-taken care of unlike the CTA who constantly create conflicts within the Tibetan community and doesn't care about the welfare of the Tibetans.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: Alex on November 06, 2018, 10:02:04 AM
Haha, with the Dalai Lama changing tune to support going back to Tibet under China's rule and working with China in tandem to Tibet's economic growth, CTA needs to have reason to exist. And as such they support Rangzen and this becomes their cause to speak to other countries, albeit small minor countries that couldn't careless. Who would want to support CTA once the Dalai Lama goes back? They are so insignificant and not many of their people even support CTA. And most of their people had or will be moving on with their lives as citizens of another country. There is no Tibet as a country anymore nor citizenships. So why is there CTA? Weird huh! Its like a cloud that could go "Poof" anytime.

The Dalai Lama would do so much better by lifting the ban and reunifying the Dorje Shugden practitioners with their brethren. DS practitioners had practiced loyalty and still cares for the Dalai Lama, despite the sufferings now from DS ban. DS practitioners will be the ones to bring the Dalai Lama back to Tibet China

Talking about the Rangzen groups. I have sympathy for them. They had been supporting His Holiness the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan cause for so long already. They had been organising protests against China and also fundraise for CTA. All their effort just went down into the drain when His Holiness the Dalai Lama decided that he would like to have Umaylam and go back to Tibet under China.

I wonder what will be their reaction when they find out that. However, Umaylam is the best solution right now and His Holiness the Dalai Lama is brilliant to have proposed that. Independence for Tibet is impossible now since China's grip on Tibet is tighter and tighter. China will definitely not let go of Tibet and China is a very powerful country to oppose. It is impossible for 100,000 Tibetans in Exile can make any difference in changing the fate of Tibet.

It is better for CTA to humble down and get on China's good books. It will be easier for the Tibetans to return to Tibet under China. They have to go back to Tibet because India will not tolerate them forever and they will have to leave India one day when their land expires. They should really think about how they want to return to Tibet under China because time is running out for them.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: SabS on November 07, 2018, 08:40:34 PM
Haha, with the Dalai Lama changing tune to support going back to Tibet under China's rule and working with China in tandem to Tibet's economic growth, CTA needs to have reason to exist. And as such they support Rangzen and this becomes their cause to speak to other countries, albeit small minor countries that couldn't careless. Who would want to support CTA once the Dalai Lama goes back? They are so insignificant and not many of their people even support CTA. And most of their people had or will be moving on with their lives as citizens of another country. There is no Tibet as a country anymore nor citizenships. So why is there CTA? Weird huh! Its like a cloud that could go "Poof" anytime.

The Dalai Lama would do so much better by lifting the ban and reunifying the Dorje Shugden practitioners with their brethren. DS practitioners had practiced loyalty and still cares for the Dalai Lama, despite the sufferings now from DS ban. DS practitioners will be the ones to bring the Dalai Lama back to Tibet China

Talking about the Rangzen groups. I have sympathy for them. They had been supporting His Holiness the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan cause for so long already. They had been organising protests against China and also fundraise for CTA. All their effort just went down into the drain when His Holiness the Dalai Lama decided that he would like to have Umaylam and go back to Tibet under China.

I wonder what will be their reaction when they find out that. However, Umaylam is the best solution right now and His Holiness the Dalai Lama is brilliant to have proposed that. Independence for Tibet is impossible now since China's grip on Tibet is tighter and tighter. China will definitely not let go of Tibet and China is a very powerful country to oppose. It is impossible for 100,000 Tibetans in Exile can make any difference in changing the fate of Tibet.

It is better for CTA to humble down and get on China's good books. It will be easier for the Tibetans to return to Tibet under China. They have to go back to Tibet because India will not tolerate them forever and they will have to leave India one day when their land expires. They should really think about how they want to return to Tibet under China because time is running out for them.

Well, nothing is permanent and maybe at the initial stage when there was a chance for Rangzen plan to go through but now, it is impossible for China to cede at all. The Dalai Lama in clairvoyance or political astuteness must had seen this and as such proposed Umaylam. It really shows the level of faith and trust the Tibetans in Exile, especially CTA, have in the Dalai Lama, in not following according to his wishes. Now it will be no chance for CTA to return to China, not as a governing body. Why would China want them when they are such failures and kept most of their sponsorship monies for themselves? Look how they recent held their annual meeting at Geneva, Switzerland. What, India does not have any conference room? Again not supporting your host but instead choose to spend the sponsorship monies elsewhere. It is so strange with his degree from prestiges University, Lobsang Sangay just don't have the smarts about their host country and help them in whatever small ways CTA can help. Stupid and ungrateful!
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: vajratruth on November 07, 2018, 09:04:04 PM
Can you believe this?! Look at what the Dalai Lama is saying now. How hypocritical of him. I just cannot believe my ears. Does this mean all those who self-immolated, did it all in vain and for nothing? They died for nothing? CTA encouraged their people to take their lives for nothing? Oh my goodness. How will the families of these deceased Tibetans feel?

And I guess now we can call Dalai Lama a CCP paid agent too, since that is what he is encouraging Tibetans to also accept! No more blaming and pointing the finger, accusing Shugden people! What does this all mean now to the Tibetans especially those fighting for Rangzen/Free Tibet? What a huge blow in their face I would say.

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If you want to know what the Tibetan leadership will do next, just follow the money.

The 'Tibetan Cause' has been an extremely lucrative business for the Tibetan leadership and their cronies. For close to 60 years, they collect money from generous and well-meaning public, they get aid from the USA companies and they receive US government grants to be a nuisance to China. All tax free and without the need for accountability. On top of that, there's all the fees from speaking engagements, and royalties from books and all these without having to actually manage a country. Not that there is a country to manage.

Now that the gravy train is slowing down and knowing that one day it will come to a complete halt, the Dalai Lama is now telling the Tibetan people to hop on to a new gravy train known as China.

Clearly the biggest fools are those who have allowed themselves to believe that there is actually an authentic struggle for Tibet's independence. The Dalai Lama gave that up the fight for Tibetan independence 1988 at Strasbourg and yet most Tibet houses and organisations in the world continue to collect aid supposedly for the Tibetan people's fight for complete independence. Its just a scam.

Watch the video and you will hear the Dalai Lama saying that it will take a miracle for the Tibetan Cause to succeed. Not much for Tibetan refugees to look forward to. I also note the author's observation of the Dalai Lama acknowledgement that even if the Tibetan people were to somehow regain their country, it would be difficult for them to stand on their own feet and will have to rely on China.

 

Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: SabS on November 09, 2018, 05:07:47 PM
Can you believe this?! Look at what the Dalai Lama is saying now. How hypocritical of him. I just cannot believe my ears. Does this mean all those who self-immolated, did it all in vain and for nothing? They died for nothing? CTA encouraged their people to take their lives for nothing? Oh my goodness. How will the families of these deceased Tibetans feel?

And I guess now we can call Dalai Lama a CCP paid agent too, since that is what he is encouraging Tibetans to also accept! No more blaming and pointing the finger, accusing Shugden people! What does this all mean now to the Tibetans especially those fighting for Rangzen/Free Tibet? What a huge blow in their face I would say.

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If you want to know what the Tibetan leadership will do next, just follow the money.

The 'Tibetan Cause' has been an extremely lucrative business for the Tibetan leadership and their cronies. For close to 60 years, they collect money from the generous and well-meaning public, they get aid from the USA companies and they receive US government grants to be a nuisance to China. All tax free and without the need for accountability. On top of that, there's all the fees from speaking engagements, and royalties from books and all these without having to actually manage a country. Not that there is a country to manage.

Now that the gravy train is slowing down and knowing that one day it will come to a complete halt, the Dalai Lama is now telling the Tibetan people to hop on to a new gravy train known as China.

Clearly, the biggest fools are those who have allowed themselves to believe that there is actually an authentic struggle for Tibet's independence. The Dalai Lama gave that up the fight for Tibetan independence 1988 at Strasbourg and yet most Tibet houses and organisations in the world continue to collect aid supposedly for the Tibetan people's fight for complete independence. Its just a scam.

Watch the video and you will hear the Dalai Lama saying that it will take a miracle for the Tibetan Cause to succeed. Not much for Tibetan refugees to look forward to. I also note the author's observation of the Dalai Lama acknowledgement that even if the Tibetan people were to somehow regain their country, it would be difficult for them to stand on their own feet and will have to rely on China.

The Tibetan Cause is a lost cause. Now it is just dependent on the generosity of China to allow them back into Tibet. But I really don't see the possibility of China accepting CTA as they are dispensible and of no value after all those propaganda of allegations thrown at China. The regular Tibetans may be welcomed but by the rate of China's development in Tibet, the newcomers will have to train to fit in. China has the capacity to empower them with training in living skills which is good incentive to return to Tibet. Listen to the Dalai Lama. He is Buddha Chenrezig.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: Drolma on January 25, 2019, 07:58:32 AM
The Dalai Lama also sees that China has managed Tibet very well, Tibetans are having a much better living condition now. They have the same opportunity as other Chinese citizens for educations and for work. There are many famous Tibetan entertainers, artists, sports person, scholar, etc.

If we look at the CTA, how much talent have they produced? Not much actually. They are running their government like in the old days. Opportunities are given to the elites but not the normal Tibetans. If you are related to somebody in the government, you can get a job in the government agency even though you do not have the qualification.

Under the ruling of the CTA, the Tibetans have no future. The Dalai Lama also sees that. That is why he is now asking the Tibetans to go back to China. It seems like he is indirectly giving up on the free Tibet movement and also the Middle Way approach.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: Alex on February 19, 2019, 09:56:47 AM
His Holiness the Dalai Lama can see that Tibet is much better now under the governance of the Chinese government. The Chinese had invested so much into Tibet include infrastructure such as airport and highways that the Tibetan government can never afford. They also launched a campaign to batter poverty in Tibet and it is estimated that they will be able to eliminate poverty totally in a few years time.

Even the Tibetans in Tibet right now realize what they have and what is waiting for them in the Tibetan refugee camps in India if they chose to flee Tibet. Last year, there are a total of 80 Tibetans that came from Tibet to India. It shows that the condition in Tibet is improving and Tibetans are willing to stay there.

That is also why His Holiness the Dalai Lama has been saying that he wishes that he will be able to go back to Lhasa which means he is willing to go back to the Chinese government. When His Holiness says things like this, he probably would have thought it over and also the situation of the Tibetans if they go back to Tibet. I guess Tibet is be a better place for Tibetans in exile for their future now compared to Refugee camps in India.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: Tracy on February 19, 2019, 06:12:09 PM
Can the Dalai Lama do something to bring the Tibetans back to China instead of relying on the CTA? Lobsang Sangay has shown his true colour, he does not respect and will not align with the Dalai Lama, he will not work to fulfill the Dalai Lama's wishes. Since the Dalai Lama still has some loyal people with him such as Samdhong Rinpoche, he should continue to work on his own to bring the Tibetans back to Tibet.

If the Dalai Lama is not looking at free Tibet anymore, just go and negotiate with China with the Middle Way approach. China has proven herself her capability to manage Tibet. Tibet has progressed so much and the living conditions of the Tibetans have improved tremendously. The Chinese government does not suppress the practice of religion as long as it poses no threat to national security and stability.

The Dalai Lama still has value to the Chinese government. If the Dalai Lama works with the Chinese government, the Chinese government will have one less problem. They can focus on the economic development of Tibet and bring more benefits to the Tibetans. It has more advantages to work with China than disadvantages.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: Drolma on March 21, 2019, 08:38:47 PM
Tibet is a better place to live now. It is very modern and convenient, the tourism industry is very developed and people have better career opportunities in Tibet. Not only that, many old Buddhist monasteries and holy sites in Tibet are also under restoration projects undertaken by the Chinese government.

The Chinese government gives equal right to everyone. They can choose the belief they want to follow as long as the belief does not create disharmony in the society. For example, there is no ban or discrimination of Dorje Shugden practice in China, the Chinese government gives people the freedom to practice it because Dorje Shugden followers are spiritual practitioners, they are not involved in politics.

If we look at the Tibetan community in India, the living condition is bad. Tibetans are still refugees, nobody knows what is laying ahead of them. Many of them are living in poverty as the CTA does not have any plan to help them to become more competitive. There is no religious freedom, just look at how the CTA discriminate against and segregate Dorje Shugden followers. Hence, it is better to go back to China!
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: michaela on March 25, 2019, 03:24:29 AM
The Tibetans should follow the Dalai Lama's advice for at least two reasons:

- From spiritual point of view, the Dalai Lama is their true leader and most Tibetans believe that he is the emanation of Chenrezig. So if their devotion for the Dalai Lama is for real, then they should follow his advice to return to China

- From secular point of view, there is no future for the Tibetans in exile. They would have to assimilate with the local culture. If they want to remain Tibetans, the only country in the world that have invested the most money to preserve the Tibetan culture is China. So returning to China seems to be the most viable option now. 
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: Tracy on March 25, 2019, 03:39:36 AM
Even the Dalai Lama agrees that China has managed Tibet well and the Chinese government has successfully improved the lives of the Tibetans. 60 years is long enough for someone to prove their ability. Therefore, it is fair to say that CTA is a failure, they are a bad government and they will continue to be a bad government because they have never thought of improving themselves. The Dalai Lama has also given up his hope in the CTA. The best thing for the Dalai Lama to give to the Tibetans now is to ask them to go back to Tibet for a better future.

Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: dsnowlion on March 25, 2019, 03:57:19 AM
If the Tibetans claim they love their Dalai Lama and that he is the flawless Buddha of Compassion, Chenrezig then they should listen to him all they way. Why don't they? Unless it is fake loyalty and fake devotion.

Why do they listen to only selected things that they like and are comfortable with and if it is not what they like to hear, they blatantly ignore and do the opposite to a point of jeopardising Dalai Lama's hope to return to Tibet? I see a nation crumbling and self-destructing. Sad indeed. Only the Tibetan lamas that are spreading Buddhism all over the world and especially those in China who will be able to penetrate billions and from there it can trickle down to the world. Buddhism will be revived from China. Watch and see...
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: Rowntree on March 25, 2019, 04:53:19 AM
This write-up further shows how China is pushing for Tibet’s development. Another proof of why Tibetans are returning to Tibet willingly. It is surely better off staying in Tibet as CTA has nothing to offer in India. The CTA has failed the Tibetans. The Tibetans have put their trust to the CTA wrongly. It is good that they are moving forward instead of waiting for the sun to rise at night. CTA is nothing but a dark night with no moon, no breeze, not star, no nothing. All they offer is unseen steps and forced everyone to walk blindly without aid. The CTA is definitely the dark scary night!

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China tech giants elbow into fast-growing Tibet

Tencent and Alibaba set up shop 60 years on from revolt

SHUNSUKE TABETA, Nikkei staff writer
MARCH 13, 2019 11:48 JST
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A delivery man of a Alibaba's logistics unit checks the status of a parcel in Lhasa. The e-commerce giant has also established an investment unit in the city.   © Reuters

BEIJING -- Major Chinese tech players are advancing into the Tibet Autonomous Region, seizing on the chance to market their artificial intelligence and big-data capabilities as the government seeks to encourage growth and tighten its grip on the area.
The likes of state-backed chipmaker Tsinghua Unigroup, facial-recognition startup SenseTime and online mall operator Alibaba Group Holding are all building their presence in the southwestern Chinese zone with a history of resistance to Beijing.
On March 10, 1959, a Tibetan uprising prompted the 14th Dalai Lama to flee to India, and in 2008 a series of violent protests erupted in Lhasa, the capital. But Tibet has proven one of China's fastest-growing areas of late. Bringing tech players there is aimed both at maintaining the pace of growth and meeting demand for high-tech surveillance.
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"The Tibet Autonomous Region is a critical place for China's national development in a strategic sense, and we will pursue digitization and computerization on all fronts," a Tsinghua Unigroup executive said in announcing a strategic partnership with the autonomous zone's government in September.

Tsinghua, a major tech conglomerate affiliated with Chinese President Xi Jinping's alma mater Tsinghua University, is expanding its business in data centers, which provide the foundation for cloud services and AI development. On top of receiving guidance and subsidies from the government, it looks to have set its sights on Tibet in hopes of speeding up its development in fields such as big-data analysis.

The company is building infrastructure that complies with IPv6 -- the newest version of the Internet Protocol, which assigns a digital address to all devices connected to the web. Tsinghua Unigroup plans to invest 1 billion yuan ($149 million) over three years to build centers for analyzing and exchanging data.

Also delving into Tibet are the five tech giants China has named to spearhead Xi's national AI development plan: Alibaba, search provider Baidu, chat app operator Tencent Holdings, voice-recognition company iFlyTek and SenseTime.
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IFlytek has embarked on joint research with Tibet University, and listed the school among its partners in a 2018 interim report on its operations. Their research efforts include voice recognition and translation of the Tibetan language, according to Chinese media.

Meanwhile, SenseTime -- the world's most valuable AI startup -- has set up a venture capital unit in Lhasa conducting what a company PR person described as "investment activities."

Tencent has also set up its own investment arm in the autonomous zone's eastern city of Nyingchi, or Linzhi. According to Hong Kong media, Alibaba has also established a Lhasa investment unit. The two investment firms did not respond to questions from Nikkei about the nature of their activities.

Beijing wants to put AI and big data to use in the autonomous region to help keep public order. The 2008 protests in Lhasa drove authorities to install vast numbers of security cameras to keep tabs on the populace.

Meanwhile, though China's economic growth has lost steam overall, Tibet's relatively high growth presents business opportunities. Its gross regional domestic product grew by 9.1% in 2018, tying with Guizhou Province for first place in China. This year, it aims to be the sole leader at 10%.
On the tech companies' side, working in Tibet offers a chance to speed development with subsidies and other backing from a government eager to employ their latest technologies. It also helps reduce tax burdens, according to an official at one Chinese investment firm. Companies in the region enjoy a real tax rate of 9%, compared with the standard corporate tax rate of 25% for the rest of China.
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Six decades on from the 1959 revolt, many Han Chinese are flowing into Tibet as public transit improves and tourism is developed, contributing to the region's strong growth. Most of the autonomous region's top companies, as calculated by the amount they owe in taxes, are units of big companies based in cities like Beijing. Moreover, Han Chinese occupy the upper echelons of the region's government.

Even as Tibet's economy grows, its people appear to be growing more dissatisfied with their lot. But Beijing's control has only tightened under Xi.
At a March 6 regional subcommittee meeting of the National People's Congress, a representative from the autonomous region criticized the 14th Dalai Lama and said China's ruling Communist Party had improved life in Tibet.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/China-tech/China-tech-giants-elbow-into-fast-growing-Tibet
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: Tracy on March 28, 2019, 03:05:14 PM
This write-up further shows how China is pushing for Tibet’s development. Another proof of why Tibetans are returning to Tibet willingly. It is surely better off staying in Tibet as CTA has nothing to offer in India. The CTA has failed the Tibetans. The Tibetans have put their trust to the CTA wrongly. It is good that they are moving forward instead of waiting for the sun to rise at night. CTA is nothing but a dark night with no moon, no breeze, not star, no nothing. All they offer is unseen steps and forced everyone to walk blindly without aid. The CTA is definitely the dark scary night!

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The Chinese government is very progressive and aggressive. They manage to reduce the poverty rate in Tibet from 35% to 8% in 5 years time. This achievement is remarkable, can CTA achieve this? The Chinese government has the money and the right resources to do that. They are very experienced in managing a country and an economy of 1.3 billion people.

The CTA, on the other hand, is only capable of creating conflicts in the Tibetan community. They can't even manage 80,000 people. They want the Tibetans to remain as refugees and fail to give a direction to the Tibetans. The future of the Tibetans is very uncertain and shaky. However, the CTA just doesn't care.

The living condition in Tibet is so much better than in India and there is so much more opportunity. For the Dalai Lama to ask the Tibetans to go back to China, it must be that he is also losing hope in the CTA. He is telling the Tibetans instead of relying on the CTA, they should just go back to Tibet on their own.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China
Post by: Alex on April 03, 2019, 11:12:31 PM
If the Tibetans claim they love their Dalai Lama and that he is the flawless Buddha of Compassion, Chenrezig then they should listen to him all they way. Why don't they? Unless it is fake loyalty and fake devotion.

Why do they listen to only selected things that they like and are comfortable with and if it is not what they like to hear, they blatantly ignore and do the opposite to a point of jeopardising Dalai Lama's hope to return to Tibet? I see a nation crumbling and self-destructing. Sad indeed. Only the Tibetan lamas that are spreading Buddhism all over the world and especially those in China who will be able to penetrate billions and from there it can trickle down to the world. Buddhism will be revived from China. Watch and see...

Tibetans' love for His Holiness the Dalai Lama is based on conditions. If they love him so much, they should come together and work to fulfill His Holiness's wishes. His Holiness had announced for Tibetans to work towards Umaylam, but until now Rangzen movement still exists. Until now, Tibetans still went on protesting against China.

For Umaylam to manifest, Tibetans have to get into China's good books. If they can't, there is no way Umaylam will become a reality. Instead of behaving and try to make China look good, they keep talking bad about China everywhere they go. How are they going to get into China's good books?

His Holiness the Dalai Lama worked so hard for his entire life for Tibetans and Buddhism. He always has been putting the welfare of Tibetans on his mind and when he says Umaylam is the way to go, all Tibetans should follow his advice and work towards it. Hence, the first thing must stop will be Rangzen which is the total opposite of what His Holiness wants.