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Title: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: PrajNa on September 16, 2018, 08:47:05 PM
In March this year, Uma Thurman told her #MeToo story to op-ed columnist Maureen Dowd at the New York Times, describing her disturbing encounters with Harvey Weinstein, former film producer who had over 80 women made allegations against him for sexual abuse. While Uma came out with these sexual abuse revelations, her father, Professor Robert Thurman, embraced, protected, supported and promoted sexual predators like Sogyal Lakar for decades. Thurman said that "We all owe Sogyal Rinpoche such a huge debt of gratitude". Really? Gratitude for a lama who keeps a western harem of women inside his sanghas and thinks that the ideal female consort is twelve-years old?

Someone asked, why are we looking to surrogates for these androcentric misogynists in robes, like Uma and her father? How long more Professor Thurman? Why are you silent on this while you attack Dorje Shugden practitioners, calling them “Taliban of Buddhism”? Why did you support the real Taliban of Buddhism like these lamas and continue to support them by keeping quiet now? As the Dalai Lama's man in America and being in the Tibetan Buddhist scene for decades, definitely you are well informed about sexual abuse by Buddhist teachers against their followers.

Uma's anger is clearly displaced. She should question her father's silence on this serious matter if she is serious about making a stand for sexual abuse. See some of the images currently shared on social media by people who are really angry and not trying to pull a publicity stunt.

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Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: pemachen on September 16, 2018, 09:25:17 PM
Unfortunately, we will not see that happening. Robert Thurman is a known bigot. In one of his interviews, of which he spoke about Geshe Michael Roach, he said that someone like Geshe Roach became a megalomaniac because there is no reality check. There is a possibility that it may be true because Geshe Michael Roach did live in his own secluded community, but we can't say the same for sex abusers like Sogyal Lakar who is the Dalai Lama’s best friend and benefactor, a favorite lama of California and Richard Gere, and thus the Hollywood jet set.

Within the Buddhist community, Sogyal Lakar has long been a controversial figure. For years, information have circulated on the internet about his abusive behaviour, and in the 1990s a lawsuit alleging sexual and physical abuse was settled out of court. Yet his position as one of the foremost Buddhist teachers in the West has remained remarkably intact, thanks to people like Robert Thurman who endorses Sogyal.

Well Bob, qui tacet consentire videtur, I am sure you know that he who is silent is taken to agree, so what do you have to say about Sogyal Lakar and the rest of the lamas who misbehaved and dragged the name of Tibetan Buddhism through the mud now? You are quite vocal in many matters related to Tibetan Buddhism, so why quiet now?
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: Rowntree on September 16, 2018, 09:28:26 PM
Now we know Robert Thurman is also a supporter of sexual abusers. He has no empathy and compassion for many who are sexually abused by Sogyal Lakar and many Tibetan lamas, as well as others who have sexual allegations made against them, including Harvey Weinstein. His daughter Uma Thurman is a victim of Weinstein's sexual abuse.

Months ago, Robert Thurman openly supports killing through Menla Dewa Spa founded by him. He encourages fly fishing in the Catskills where the spa is located hoping to attract more customers to the spa. It has proven to be a failed strategy and bad PR for Menla that is supposed to run based on Buddhist principles.

While Thurman is vocal in the unlawful ban of Dorje Shugden, he has failed to support the self-immolated Tibetans, the victims suffered from sexual abuse and the wildlife in Catskills. As the Dalai Lama's man in America, an Emeritus Buddhist Professor, a co-founder of the Tibet House for Tibet Cause, a father and a grandfather, you would expect him to expose the sexual abuse of Sogyal Lakar and many more Buddhist teachers he is well informed to conduct such crime. Instead, he is more concern about his wealth and built his career and business by using dharma and the fame of the sexual abusers.

Robert Thurman is, therefore, an accomplice in the sexual abuse of the Buddhist students and his own daughter. He is really a disgrace of Buddhism and a shame of Americans and the Thurman family. The more I learn about him, the more I see a selfish and greedy old man who would do everything for his own benefits. No one matters to him, including his daughter!
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: Ringo Starr on September 19, 2018, 04:10:19 PM
With another #metoo fwiend.
How can he not feel guilty and do something, anything.
Last I read, Uma is going to migrate to some Scandinavian country, perhaps to get away from it all.
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: dsnowlion on September 19, 2018, 07:53:39 PM
The ones that are loved and who are so-called "popular" are always the ones getting away with bad behaviour and crimes because they think no one will ever fault them or find out. It is always these so-called teachers who everyone wants makes such a big deal about and in the end see what they do.

Yet the Dalai Lama says nothing and condemn Dorje Shugden practitioners. We're not even allowed even to attend His Holiness's teachings.

This goes to show that titles do not mean anything as the Rinpoche's and masters.
I guess you will never know. We have to really check what these teachers and teachings and if they walk the talk. Just because he/she has a huge following, doesn't mean they are really practising what they preach, but the saddest part is seeing so many supported him like Robert Thurman. And what a shame indeed, especially since his own daughter had that similar experience.
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: Ringo Starr on September 21, 2018, 07:39:13 AM
Why isn’t Uma Thurman Mad at her Dad’s Sexually Abusive ‘Religion?’


I find it ironic that everyone is making  Hollywood stars, like Uma Thurman or Madonna,  their new heroes for the Post-Modern Feminist movement. Women, like Madonna,  who wear designer pink hats, representing their labia, screaming hysterically about being tied to their biology and emotions by an abusive patriarchy.  Women who think the answer is to emasculate and abuse men. Or women like Uma, who are finally coming out with these sexual abuse revelations against Harvey Weinstein and others, but are as blind as a bat to her father’s sexual abusing favorite cult, Lamaism, that he has promoted for decades, in the New York Times, Huffington Post, and on Panels, and symposiums, and at Universities.  How will Bob Thurman cover this one up and how long will Uma help him?

Do these women, like Uma, know anything about the ‘religion’ of Tibetan Lamaism? That her father has embraced, protected, and promoted for the last thirty years?  A ‘religion’ that in practice objectifies and uses women for their own sexual imaginings of ‘enlightenment?”   Keeps western harems of women inside their sanghas?  Thinks the ideal female consort is twelve-years old?

Apparently, not.   Why are we looking to  Hollywood along with Entertainment news that passes as ‘informative’ while continuing  to censor real news, like Lama Sogyal, promoted and protected by Hollywood and her father?

Perhaps Uma’s anger is displaced.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/sexual-assaults-violent-rages-inside-dark-world-buddhist-teacher/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/sexual-assaults-violent-rages-inside-dark-world-buddhist-teacher/)

Why are we looking to surrogates for these androcentric misogynists in robes, like Uma and her father?

I don’t think a woman, who has been oblivious to the ‘religion’ that her father embraces, where the lamas  keep western harems, and who believe women can only achieve spiritual realization by sleeping with them, only for blessings for their next life to be reborn a man, should be made a hero for gender equality.

Nor should they look to Hollywood who has let this Tantric influence inside their milieu  spread to such an extent that there is now a ‘false feminism’; a disdain and abusive view of womanhood that is harmful to both women and men.   Where the logical outcome will be the total emasculation of the western man and a bullying, harping, hysterical woman, who can no longer distinguish between a sexist remark and rape.

Another mission accomplished to trivialize real sexual abuse and the predators and enablers that keep it going. Like Uma and her father’s favorite lamas.

Here is her father at a panel for ‘distinguised’ Tibetan Buddhist teachers, like Lama Predator Sogyal and her father.

There is Sogyal to Bob Thurman’s right (page far left) introduced as the ‘cream of the crop.”  Disgusting, all of it. That is what Uma should be really angry about, if she wants to do something about institutionalized sexual abuse, Hollywood’s favorite ‘religion.” Thurman is late, and takes his seat (51:04) next to Sogyal, whom he has supported, protected, and enabled, for the last forty years.

Dad Thurman has been protecting Lama Sogyal,  promoting him and denying his sexual abuse and keeping of western female harems for the last 40 years.  Why did he let someone like Sogyal or any of these lamas near his daughter Uma?  I say Uma was already primed to accept the sexual abuse in Hollywood long before she started acting there.  After all,  it was her father that made this institutionalized sexual abusive cult of Lamaism the ‘highest of Buddhist teachings’ in the world. A model for everyone; a universal religion of peace.

Aggressive Buddhist Appeasement

Maybe its time to look at the female Hollywood enablers of this sexual abuse,  who said nothing until there was a groundswell of safety in numbers, and who have gotten many perks for letting sexual abuse become normalized and denied for the last forty years and who now want to be heroes.

Maybe Uma should start looking at the hidden causes and conditions that came together in Hollywood, not least of which is the spread of these Tantric ideas, that would keep her lips sealed for so long.

https://extibetanbuddhist.com/why-isnt-uma-thurman-mad-at-her-dads-sexually-abusive-religion/ (https://extibetanbuddhist.com/why-isnt-uma-thurman-mad-at-her-dads-sexually-abusive-religion/)
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: Alex on September 21, 2018, 04:50:33 PM
Robert Thurman is a selfish father that put his own personal gain above his daughter's welfare. How can a father still treat sexual abusers like Sogyal so well while his own daughter had been abused by one? That does not make sense unless he does not care about his own daughter's feeling.

Other than that, he is supposed to be the Dalai Lama's man in the west and he promotes sexual abuser Lamas like Sogyal? Is he trying to say that it is okay for Lama's to behave like this? Is he trying to do the same since he is some sort of "lama" as well? This is just disgusting.

Being a Buddhist professor, he does not act like one and he is certainly harming the Buddha's teaching but endorsing inappropriate behaviour such as sexual abuse and abusive speech online? He has been notorious in speaking against Dorje Shugden practitioners online and even goes to the extent of hiring people to defame and tweet out nasty things about famous Dorje Shugden people.
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: SabS on September 21, 2018, 06:10:27 PM
Nothing that I have read of Robert Thurman had ever promoted him as a genuine practitioner of Buddhism. It is just another portal for him to gain fame through association with the Dalai Lama, to promote his own self interest. In his pursuit, he willing endorsed and took pictures with so many lamas whom he thought are "famous", but in reality are real social criminals, ie Sogyal Lakar who already had recorded case against him in 1990's. He clearly fails as a father in allowing his daughter, Uma's abuse to be demeaned by his endorsement of sexual offenders that he associates himself with. Being a professor of Buddhism, I am just worried that so many students are being influenced by this bigot with wrong views and attitude. Shame really.
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: Pema8 on September 21, 2018, 08:29:48 PM
This is again a slap in the face of all Buddhists. Instead of exposing such harmful behaviour, people such as Bob Thurman will show himself on pictures and promote themselves with sexual abusers as we can see in the pictures. This is not what anyone would expect, is it?

Now, on top, Thurman knows about the #metoo movement and I guess knows that his own daughter has suffered under such sexual abusers, yet he shows no regret and instead of exposing them, he stays quiet. Is this how you protect your family and friends?

Very disappointing!
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: PrajNa on September 22, 2018, 12:47:54 PM
You will be shocked to know what Sogyal Lakar did, and you will really wonder why Robert Thurman can condone and befriend such a character. It goes to support the rumours, and now truth perhaps, that Thurman is just after power and fame.

"Rinpoche surrounded himself with a “harem” of beautiful young women he called his “Dakinis” or angels. Their duties, ex-followers say, included wiping his backside after he used the toilet."

Gosh :o :-[! He's all over the papers in the UK today:

‘Most famous Buddhist teacher after the Dalai Lama’ is accused of sexually abusing female followers and keeping a harem
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6196101/Most-famous-Buddhist-teacher-Dalai-Lama-accused-sexually-abusing-female-followers.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6196101/Most-famous-Buddhist-teacher-Dalai-Lama-accused-sexually-abusing-female-followers.html)

Celeb Buddhist guru ‘sexually abused harem of beautiful young women'
A CELEB Buddhist guru has been accused of keeping a “harem of beautiful women” who he sexually abused.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/731512/Sogyal-Rinpoche-guru-sex-abuse-Rigpa-Dalai-Lama-Buddhist (https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/731512/Sogyal-Rinpoche-guru-sex-abuse-Rigpa-Dalai-Lama-Buddhist)

THE BAD BUDDHA Dark side of celeb guru Sogyal Rinpoche who ‘sexually abused’ the beautiful young women dubbed his ‘Dakinis’
The 71-year-old is the most famous Buddhist teacher after the Dalai Lama, and his book influences numerous celebrities  – yet for the young women who claim they were sexually abused by him, he's anything but a wise and pious holy man
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7319165/celeb-guru-sogyal-rinpoche-sexually-abused-women-dubbed-dakinis/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7319165/celeb-guru-sogyal-rinpoche-sexually-abused-women-dubbed-dakinis/)
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: pemachen on September 24, 2018, 03:33:45 AM

"Rinpoche surrounded himself with a “harem” of beautiful young women he called his “Dakinis” or angels. Their duties, ex-followers say, included wiping his backside after he used the toilet."


This is definitely wrong. It is very bad to have lamas, who are supposed to be the object of the students' refuge to victimize the students and do all sorts of weird things. This really drags the name of Tibetan Buddhism through the mud. Why is Thurman allowing this when he's always vocal about petty issues like #fakenews? Perhaps he is still getting benefits from Sogyal Lakar/Rigpa? If not, what could it be?

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Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: DharmaSpace on September 24, 2018, 04:36:53 PM
Maybe Bob Thurman needs to change his glasses.

He needs to see it clearly the very people how sexually abused his daughter, are the very people he is chummy with.

Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: pemachen on September 25, 2018, 04:31:13 AM
Now news about Sogyal Lakar is published on Thurman's home ground, the New York Post: https://nypost.com/2018/09/23/buddhist-teacher-forced-devotees-into-sex-wiping-his-butt/

Still, no sound from Thurman who seems to be sympathetic with #MeToo victims. Why the silence Bob? Also, what a coincidence, Bob Thurman is also a Dalai Lama wannabe!  8)


Buddhist teacher forced devotees into sex, wiping his butt
By Melkorka Licea September 23, 2018 | 10:20am

A Dalai Lama wannabe was more like a gross Svengali, according to a damning new report.

Once one of the world’s most respected Buddhist teachers, Sogyal Rinpoche forced his devotees to have sex with him and wipe his butt, an international Buddhist organization named Rigpa found in an investigation.

Rinpoche, who sold more than 3 million copies of his tome, “The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying,” subjected some of his inner circle “to serious physical, sexual and emotional abuse,” The Sun reported.
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: Alex on September 25, 2018, 05:53:03 PM
How can a father of a sexual abuse victim still can be so comfortably close to another sexual abuse offender? That does not make any sense. Either he is totally oblivious or he does not care about his daughter Uma Thurman's feelings at all.

Sogyal has been known to be a sex offender for years and it is impossible for the Dalai Lama's man in the west to not know anything because rumours about Sogyal has been around for years. Imagine what Uma will feel when her father is supporting a sex offender and she was so hurt by one, years ago.
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: Drolma on October 03, 2018, 11:58:51 AM
If I were Uma Thurman, I will be so disappointed with my father. I was sexually abused and now he is seen getting so close to a sex offender. What kind of message does Robert Thurman want to give to her daughter and the public? It cannot be he doesn't know about the crime Sogyal Rinpoche has committed.

Because Sogyal Rinpoche is endorsed by the Dalai Lama so Robert Thurman has to be friendly to Sogyal Rinpoche? But then I am not surprised that Robert Thurman will do that, he wants to be in the good book of the Dalai Lama, he too still needs the endorsement from Dalai Lama for him to sell his books and his meditation program. Therefore, he cannot go against the Dalai Lama. Robert Thurman will do anything for money, even if it means doing something that will hurt his daughter.

I don't how will Uma Thurman feel if she sees the photo of her father holding the hand of a sex offender so tightly with a big smile on his face. I think she will be so disappointed and frustrated. I hope Uma will understand what her father is doing, is not Buddhist at all, please don't lose faith in Buddhism. It is quite common that people have a lot of knowledge about Dharma but they are not able to put the knowledge in practice.
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: Pema8 on October 04, 2018, 03:21:51 AM
It must hurt Uma Thurman a lot that her own father does not care about how women such as herself get hurt. Bob Thurman is in fact supporting the sexual abusers and shows to the world that it is ok to do such harm.

This should not be tolerated and everyone should know who Bob Thurman is and what he supports in the name of fame and dollars!!!
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: Rowntree on October 12, 2018, 06:05:41 PM
Sogyal Lakar likes to have meetings when he takes sh*t and gets his students to wipe his arse. He also likes to chew his food in exchange for a kiss by forcing himself on them. EWWWW https://nypost.com/2018/09/23/buddhist-teacher-forced-devotees-into-sex-wiping-his-butt/ He is also known to physically abuse his students by hitting them, etc. He also gave his students to different lamas for sex.

Since Robert Thurman likes to be a friend with this disgusting Sogyal and so keen to talk good thing about him, it is a clear sign that Thurman does benefit from Sogyal's students and had them give him sex. And since Thurman is himself a pervert with lots of desire, his focus is his own enjoyment rather than his daughter's tragic experience. He is really a disgrace of Buddhism.
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: Alex on October 13, 2018, 10:22:28 AM
Sogyal Lakar likes to have meetings when he takes sh*t and gets his students to wipe his arse. He also likes to chew his food in exchange for a kiss by forcing himself on them. EWWWW https://nypost.com/2018/09/23/buddhist-teacher-forced-devotees-into-sex-wiping-his-butt/ He is also known to physically abuse his students by hitting them, etc. He also gave his students to different lamas for sex.

Since Robert Thurman likes to be a friend with this disgusting Sogyal and so keen to talk good thing about him, it is a clear sign that Thurman does benefit from Sogyal's students and had them give him sex. And since Thurman is himself a pervert with lots of desire, his focus is his own enjoyment rather than his daughter's tragic experience. He is really a disgrace of Buddhism.

That is disturbing to know Sogyal ask his devotees to wipe his butt and also transferring food via the mouth. This is disgusting and unhygienic. Can you believe that the rumors about this master abusing his students has been around since the 1990's? 

But Robert Thurman here still so friendly with him and supported him for so long. Maybe you are right Rowntree, he really gets some benefits from his ring of harem. Now it makes much more sense why Robert Thurman ignored the rumors for so long and never did anything to help the victims out because he is one of the abusers! Oh my god.

This is mind-blowing. So the girls need to wipe Sogyal's butt and then polish Thurman's glass eye?
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: dsnowlion on October 13, 2018, 12:24:29 PM
Sogyal Lakar likes to have meetings when he takes sh*t and gets his students to wipe his arse. He also likes to chew his food in exchange for a kiss by forcing himself on them. EWWWW https://nypost.com/2018/09/23/buddhist-teacher-forced-devotees-into-sex-wiping-his-butt/ He is also known to physically abuse his students by hitting them, etc. He also gave his students to different lamas for sex.

Since Robert Thurman likes to be a friend with this disgusting Sogyal and so keen to talk good thing about him, it is a clear sign that Thurman does benefit from Sogyal's students and had them give him sex. And since Thurman is himself a pervert with lots of desire, his focus is his own enjoyment rather than his daughter's tragic experience. He is really a disgrace of Buddhism.

Sogyal Lakar likes to have meetings when he takes sh*t and gets his students to wipe his arse. He also likes to chew his food in exchange for a kiss by forcing himself on them. EWWWW https://nypost.com/2018/09/23/buddhist-teacher-forced-devotees-into-sex-wiping-his-butt/ He is also known to physically abuse his students by hitting them, etc. He also gave his students to different lamas for sex.

Since Robert Thurman likes to be a friend with this disgusting Sogyal and so keen to talk good thing about him, it is a clear sign that Thurman does benefit from Sogyal's students and had them give him sex. And since Thurman is himself a pervert with lots of desire, his focus is his own enjoyment rather than his daughter's tragic experience. He is really a disgrace of Buddhism.

Ewww disgusting what on earth! This is such a disgrace to Buddhism and Robert Thurman is no better either... he himself is not exactly a real Buddhist practitioner nor a teacher.

Real Buddhist teacher teach Dharma which is compassion and kindness, not asking hackers to hack into Shugden people's websites and get caught doing it on public platforms like Twitter! How embarrassing and what a low life and another criminal masking himself as a great Buddhist scholar and using Dalai Lama's fame to get more benefit for themselves. So I would not be surprised if he shared some of Sogyal's harem as well. Both of them should be in prison.

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Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: Alex on October 13, 2018, 07:58:48 PM
Sogyal Lakar likes to have meetings when he takes sh*t and gets his students to wipe his arse. He also likes to chew his food in exchange for a kiss by forcing himself on them. EWWWW https://nypost.com/2018/09/23/buddhist-teacher-forced-devotees-into-sex-wiping-his-butt/ He is also known to physically abuse his students by hitting them, etc. He also gave his students to different lamas for sex.

Since Robert Thurman likes to be a friend with this disgusting Sogyal and so keen to talk good thing about him, it is a clear sign that Thurman does benefit from Sogyal's students and had them give him sex. And since Thurman is himself a pervert with lots of desire, his focus is his own enjoyment rather than his daughter's tragic experience. He is really a disgrace of Buddhism.

That is disturbing to know Sogyal ask his devotees to wipe his butt and also transferring food via the mouth. This is disgusting and unhygienic. Can you believe that the rumors about this master abusing his students has been around since the 1990's? 

But Robert Thurman here still so friendly with him and supported him for so long. Maybe you are right Rowntree, he really gets some benefits from his ring of harem. Now it makes much more sense why Robert Thurman ignored the rumors for so long and never did anything to help the victims out because he is one of the abusers! Oh my god.

This is mind-blowing. So the girls need to wipe Sogyal's butt and then polish Thurman's glass eye now? How will Umi Thurman feel? She is one of the Hollywood sexual abuse victims that is being abused by Harvey. Now that her father is one of the people that supports sexual abuse, can she accept it? Poor Uma.
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: Rowntree on October 15, 2018, 10:54:08 PM
That is disturbing to know Sogyal ask his devotees to wipe his butt and also transferring food via the mouth. This is disgusting and unhygienic. Can you believe that the rumors about this master abusing his students has been around since the 1990's? 

But Robert Thurman here still so friendly with him and supported him for so long. Maybe you are right Rowntree, he really gets some benefits from his ring of harem. Now it makes much more sense why Robert Thurman ignored the rumors for so long and never did anything to help the victims out because he is one of the abusers! Oh my god.

This is mind-blowing. So the girls need to wipe Sogyal's butt and then polish Thurman's glass eye now? How will Umi Thurman feel? She is one of the Hollywood sexual abuse victims that is being abused by Harvey. Now that her father is one of the people that supports sexual abuse, can she accept it? Poor Uma.

It is all disturbing to know that the Dalai Lama and CTA knew about this since the 1990's, yet they kept quiet and allowed it to continue for years until it has caused so much harm. I guess their keeping quiet is so that the donations from Sogyal, Mipham and etc. sex predators will not be stopped.

As for Thurman, he is blind so he cannot see even with a good eye. His glass eye is definitely rubbed by the dollars he gets from being Sogayl's good friend. For Thurman, as long as there is money, he is happy to be blind forever.
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: Tracy on October 17, 2018, 05:29:19 PM
That is disturbing to know Sogyal ask his devotees to wipe his butt and also transferring food via the mouth. This is disgusting and unhygienic. Can you believe that the rumors about this master abusing his students has been around since the 1990's? 

But Robert Thurman here still so friendly with him and supported him for so long. Maybe you are right Rowntree, he really gets some benefits from his ring of harem. Now it makes much more sense why Robert Thurman ignored the rumors for so long and never did anything to help the victims out because he is one of the abusers! Oh my god.

This is mind-blowing. So the girls need to wipe Sogyal's butt and then polish Thurman's glass eye now? How will Umi Thurman feel? She is one of the Hollywood sexual abuse victims that is being abused by Harvey. Now that her father is one of the people that supports sexual abuse, can she accept it? Poor Uma.

It is all disturbing to know that the Dalai Lama and CTA knew about this since the 1990's, yet they kept quiet and allowed it to continue for years until it has caused so much harm. I guess their keeping quiet is so that the donations from Sogyal, Mipham and etc. sex predators will not be stopped.

As for Thurman, he is blind so he cannot see even with a good eye. His glass eye is definitely rubbed by the dollars he gets from being Sogayl's good friend. For Thurman, as long as there is money, he is happy to be blind forever.

What was the Dalai Lama thinking when he said he knew about the sex scandals long ago? Is this another Catholic church? Are they doing what the church is doing? To protect the sex predators and let them continue to harm the students or followers? Why didn't the Dalai Lama do something when he first heard of these scandals?

The only reason one can think of is that these sex scandals lamas have a very good connection or network for big sponsors. The CTA is very greedy, they will do anything for the money. For example, receiving USD1 million donation from a sex-cult to have the Dalai Lama endorses them.

The more scandals are exposed, the more we know what the CTA is like. They are not reliable or credible, they will tell lies to get what they want.  So to believe what the CTA says is pure stupidity. Just like the CTA, Robert Thurman is also after money, that is why they can work together so well.
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: Drolma on October 19, 2018, 12:20:56 AM
It must hurt Uma Thurman a lot that her own father does not care about how women such as herself get hurt. Bob Thurman is in fact supporting the sexual abusers and shows to the world that it is ok to do such harm.

This should not be tolerated and everyone should know who Bob Thurman is and what he supports in the name of fame and dollars!!!

After reading so much about Robert Thurman, we can conclude that he is not a real Buddhist practitioner, he is just a businessman who is selling Dharma for money. His retreat center is promoting killing, he wants to hire hackers to attack Dorje Shugden followers. How Buddhist can he be?

Not only that, he is seen hanging out with some sex abusers, why does he want to associate with these lamas knowing they have done something so badly to the students? On top of that, his own daughter is also a sexual abuse victim! Did he do that because he wants to be in the Dalai Lama's good book? I bet this must be the motivation.

If the Dalai Lama did not endorse Robert Thurman, no one will think he is an expert in Tibetan Buddhism. Without the Dalai Lama's name, Robert Thurman will just be another writer on Buddhism. It is good that people know how Robert Thurman is like so they know who not to go to if they want to be a real Buddhist practitioner.
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: Alex on October 19, 2018, 07:59:29 PM
It must hurt Uma Thurman a lot that her own father does not care about how women such as herself get hurt. Bob Thurman is in fact supporting the sexual abusers and shows to the world that it is ok to do such harm.

This should not be tolerated and everyone should know who Bob Thurman is and what he supports in the name of fame and dollars!!!

After reading so much about Robert Thurman, we can conclude that he is not a real Buddhist practitioner, he is just a businessman who is selling Dharma for money. His retreat center is promoting killing, he wants to hire hackers to attack Dorje Shugden followers. How Buddhist can he be?

Not only that, he is seen hanging out with some sex abusers, why does he want to associate with these lamas knowing they have done something so badly to the students? On top of that, his own daughter is also a sexual abuse victim! Did he do that because he wants to be in the Dalai Lama's good book? I bet this must be the motivation.

If the Dalai Lama did not endorse Robert Thurman, no one will think he is an expert in Tibetan Buddhism. Without the Dalai Lama's name, Robert Thurman will just be another writer on Buddhism. It is good that people know how Robert Thurman is like so they know who not to go to if they want to be a real Buddhist practitioner.

Robert Thurman is known to be the Dalai Lama's man in America and he has alot of fame and money from that. He was the first westerner to be ordained by His Holiness the Dalai Lama but he disrobed just after 2 years to get married. He has been maintaining his image being on Dalai Lama's good side because Dalai Lama will endorse his books and he will get alot of sales from it.

During the announcement of Dorje Shugden ban, he chose His Holiness the Dalai Lama over his gurus who gave him the practice. I also heard that 2 of his Guru who practices Dorje Shugden was going to confer Dorje Shugden's sogtae initiations. He was denied on both occasions.

He was making a scene when he begged for it but still, the answer is no. Now that there is a Dorje Shugden ban going on, the public attacked Dorje Shugden people for not following Dalai Lama's instruction. From this, we can see he is a man that loves fame and money and he certainly does not care about anyone else including his daughter.
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: dsnowlion on October 20, 2018, 02:45:39 AM

Robert Thurman is known to be the Dalai Lama's man in America and he has alot of fame and money from that. He was the first westerner to be ordained by His Holiness the Dalai Lama but he disrobed just after 2 years to get married. He has been maintaining his image being on Dalai Lama's good side because Dalai Lama will endorse his books and he will get alot of sales from it.

During the announcement of Dorje Shugden ban, he chose His Holiness the Dalai Lama over his gurus who gave him the practice. I also heard that 2 of his Guru who practices Dorje Shugden was going to confer Dorje Shugden's sogtae initiations. He was denied on both occasions.

He was making a scene when he begged for it but still, the answer is no. Now that there is a Dorje Shugden ban going on, the public attacked Dorje Shugden people for not following Dalai Lama's instruction. From this, we can see he is a man that loves fame and money and he certainly does not care about anyone else including his daughter.

You said his Guru gave him Dorje Shugden? Who was his Guru that gave him Dorje Shugden practice? So who was the other two who was supposed to but did not confer sogtae to him? I am confused... cos if you say he did not get sogtae, then who gave him Dorje Shugden in the first place and how did he end up giving it up and why would hen then ask for sogtae if he already got the pactice?

What is sogtae? Can you explain?

Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: Alex on October 21, 2018, 02:51:22 AM

Robert Thurman is known to be the Dalai Lama's man in America and he has alot of fame and money from that. He was the first westerner to be ordained by His Holiness the Dalai Lama but he disrobed just after 2 years to get married. He has been maintaining his image being on Dalai Lama's good side because Dalai Lama will endorse his books and he will get alot of sales from it.

During the announcement of Dorje Shugden ban, he chose His Holiness the Dalai Lama over his gurus who gave him the practice. I also heard that 2 of his Guru who practices Dorje Shugden was going to confer Dorje Shugden's sogtae initiations. He was denied on both occasions.

He was making a scene when he begged for it but still, the answer is no. Now that there is a Dorje Shugden ban going on, the public attacked Dorje Shugden people for not following Dalai Lama's instruction. From this, we can see he is a man that loves fame and money and he certainly does not care about anyone else including his daughter.

You said his Guru gave him Dorje Shugden? Who was his Guru that gave him Dorje Shugden practice? So who was the other two who was supposed to but did not confer sogtae to him? I am confused... cos if you say he did not get sogtae, then who gave him Dorje Shugden in the first place and how did he end up giving it up and why would hen then ask for sogtae if he already got the pactice?

What is sogtae? Can you explain?

Sogtae conferment ritual is where the lama generates himself as the yidam to forge a spiritual bond between the practitioner and Dorje Shugden. Then the initiate swears to take Dorje Shugden as their Protector until they attain bodhicitta. And likewise, Dorje Shugden is sworn to protect the initiate until they have achieved bodhicitta, whether it’s in this life or in future ones. Why until they receive bodhicitta is because then the practitioner does not require the assistance of a Dharma protector anymore.

One does not need initiation to practice Dorje Shugden. Hence Robert Thurman could have gotten the practice from Dromo Geshe Rinpoche but not the Sogtae initiation. So even when he was denied the sogtae initiation, he could have still practice Dorje Shugden until he joined the Dalai Lama.

When Dalai lama imposes the ban on Dorje Shugden, he has to give up to be with the Dalai Lama. He needed Dalai lama's fame to boost himself and sell his books. He even got His Holiness to endorse his books. He then uses the Dalai Lama's name and acts as a religious police on Twitter by telling Dorje Shugden people off and attacking them with hateful speech.
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: dsnowlion on October 21, 2018, 05:09:57 AM

Robert Thurman is known to be the Dalai Lama's man in America and he has alot of fame and money from that. He was the first westerner to be ordained by His Holiness the Dalai Lama but he disrobed just after 2 years to get married. He has been maintaining his image being on Dalai Lama's good side because Dalai Lama will endorse his books and he will get alot of sales from it.

During the announcement of Dorje Shugden ban, he chose His Holiness the Dalai Lama over his gurus who gave him the practice. I also heard that 2 of his Guru who practices Dorje Shugden was going to confer Dorje Shugden's sogtae initiations. He was denied on both occasions.

He was making a scene when he begged for it but still, the answer is no. Now that there is a Dorje Shugden ban going on, the public attacked Dorje Shugden people for not following Dalai Lama's instruction. From this, we can see he is a man that loves fame and money and he certainly does not care about anyone else including his daughter.


You said his Guru gave him Dorje Shugden? Who was his Guru that gave him Dorje Shugden practice? So who was the other two who was supposed to but did not confer sogtae to him? I am confused... cos if you say he did not get sogtae, then who gave him Dorje Shugden in the first place and how did he end up giving it up and why would hen then ask for sogtae if he already got the pactice?

What is sogtae? Can you explain?


Sogtae conferment ritual is where the lama generates himself as the yidam to forge a spiritual bond between the practitioner and Dorje Shugden. Then the initiate swears to take Dorje Shugden as their Protector until they attain bodhicitta. And likewise, Dorje Shugden is sworn to protect the initiate until they have achieved bodhicitta, whether it’s in this life or in future ones. Why until they receive bodhicitta is because then the practitioner does not require the assistance of a Dharma protector anymore.

One does not need initiation to practice Dorje Shugden. Hence Robert Thurman could have gotten the practice from Dromo Geshe Rinpoche but not the Sogtae initiation. So even when he was denied the sogtae initiation, he could have still practice Dorje Shugden until he joined the Dalai Lama.

When Dalai lama imposes the ban on Dorje Shugden, he has to give up to be with the Dalai Lama. He needed Dalai lama's fame to boost himself and sell his books. He even got His Holiness to endorse his books. He then uses the Dalai Lama's name and acts as a religious police on Twitter by telling Dorje Shugden people off and attacking them with hateful speech.


Alex, are you sure he received Dorje Shugden practice? Or are you just assuming? Please fact check and show me your sources. From what I understood from this article he did not receive any practice to beging with >>> http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-two-faces-of-robert-thurman/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-two-faces-of-robert-thurman/)

If you did not receive sogtae then you did not give up anything/any commitments. When you receive Sogtae, you have commitments to do the practice for life, if not there is no "giving up" per se.

If any Tom, Dick of Harry goes and pick up Shugden mantra today and starts chanting and then tomorrow stops, there is no issue because he did not take Sogtae/initiation as you have described above. So based on the article published on dorjeshugden.com he did not, hence there was nothing for him to give up.

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Gelek told me [...] that Thurman even begged him, and it was no. For however that is decided. [Dr. Ursula Bernis] (personal attendant to Dromo Geshe Rinpoche) told me Dromo Geshe Rinpoche denied Bob several times. [She told me] that Bob used to push and connive for the Empowerment and he was always denied. Dromo Geshe said, Bob crawled across his floor begging and crying for it and he told him no way.


But what he gave up was his Guru to be on the other more popular camp and that's just VERY LOW & DISGUSTING - show you the kind of character he has. Now that is what's bad. Hope this is clear Alex.
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: Drolma on October 30, 2018, 03:19:12 PM
Robert Thurman is just like FPMT, guru devotion doesn't have any value to him. Money and fame hold more values than the guru. Enlightenment is not what he is looking for.

Both Robert Thurman and FPMT do not deserve respects from people. They abandon their gurus to chase after money and power. They turn around and become hostile to the Dorje Shugden practitioners. They claim they are expert in Buddhism but they don't walk the talk.

As a Buddhist, we should not criticise other religion or faith, we should respect the difference. Why is there a need to condemn Dorje Shugden to say how bad the practice is? Why do Robert Thurman and FPMT still study the teachings of Dorje Shugden lamas such as Pabongka Rinpoche and Trijang Rinpoche and then at the same time criticise their practice? Are they higher than their gurus?
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: SabS on October 30, 2018, 05:31:12 PM
Robert Thurman is just like FPMT, guru devotion doesn't have any value to him. Money and fame hold more values than the guru. Enlightenment is not what he is looking for.

Both Robert Thurman and FPMT do not deserve respects from people. They abandon their gurus to chase after money and power. They turn around and become hostile to the Dorje Shugden practitioners. They claim they are expert in Buddhism but they don't walk the talk.

As a Buddhist, we should not criticise other religion or faith, we should respect the difference. Why is there a need to condemn Dorje Shugden to say how bad the practice is? Why do Robert Thurman and FPMT still study the teachings of Dorje Shugden lamas such as Pabongka Rinpoche and Trijang Rinpoche and then at the same time criticise their practice? Are they higher than their gurus?

You know when you say "study the teachings", do they really study? If they did, then they would have taken in the gravity of the karma that they are creating or had created. I think they are spending their time trying to look good or proof their 'loyalty' to the Dalai Lama. Robert Thurman is just keeping his eye out for the anyone famous he can attach himself to so that he thinks he is credible. See how he got friendly with Sogyal irregardless of his reputation as a sex predator? Well not a pipsqueak came out of him even when Sogyal was exposed or when his daughter claims #MeToo. Does that mean that he is guilty too? There is absolutely no integrity about Robert Thurman. Just a sleaze.
Title: Re: If she says #MeToo, why is Robert Thurman empowering sexual abusers?
Post by: Drolma on August 22, 2019, 09:09:15 AM
Robert Thurman is just like FPMT, guru devotion doesn't have any value to him. Money and fame hold more values than the guru. Enlightenment is not what he is looking for.

Both Robert Thurman and FPMT do not deserve respects from people. They abandon their gurus to chase after money and power. They turn around and become hostile to the Dorje Shugden practitioners. They claim they are expert in Buddhism but they don't walk the talk.

As a Buddhist, we should not criticise other religion or faith, we should respect the difference. Why is there a need to condemn Dorje Shugden to say how bad the practice is? Why do Robert Thurman and FPMT still study the teachings of Dorje Shugden lamas such as Pabongka Rinpoche and Trijang Rinpoche and then at the same time criticise their practice? Are they higher than their gurus?

You know when you say "study the teachings", do they really study? If they did, then they would have taken in the gravity of the karma that they are creating or had created. I think they are spending their time trying to look good or proof their 'loyalty' to the Dalai Lama. Robert Thurman is just keeping his eye out for the anyone famous he can attach himself to so that he thinks he is credible. See how he got friendly with Sogyal irregardless of his reputation as a sex predator? Well not a pipsqueak came out of him even when Sogyal was exposed or when his daughter claims #MeToo. Does that mean that he is guilty too? There is absolutely no integrity about Robert Thurman. Just a sleaze.

I think they do study but they never put what they have studied in practice. They know all the theory, they can explain to everyone what guru devotion is, what karma is but they don't walk the talk. If they truly practise guru devotion, they will not force people to give up Dorje Shugden practice which is given to them by their teachers. They will not abandon their teacher and try to be in the good book of the Dalai Lama.

From the spiritual aspect, if the Dalai Lama is not one's teacher, it is ok to not listen to the Dalai Lama. Not listening to the Dalai Lama does not mean not respecting him. In Vajrayana practice, we have to follow the instruction of our teacher, not to follow someone who is more famous.

Robert Thurman is a very bad example of how a Buddhist should be. He has no compassion for anyone, he wanted to hire hackers to hurt Dorje Shugden followers. He is acting like a hooligan.