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Title: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Rowntree on July 31, 2018, 02:17:50 PM
This paragraph particularly stood out for me because it describes accurately how Lobsang Sangay and his cronies at the CTA works: Our leaders (supposedly democratically-elected) at the helm, instead of sandbagging the broken levees of trust here in India, where the functioning government in exile in CTA is trenched up, are busy touring the Western Hemisphere thanking them for decades of candy help, meeting senators and congressmen, parliamentarians, and policy makers, lobbying for the same things that they have been hypocritically promised for the past many decades.

This article is written by a Tibetan who has observed enough and decided to voice out his views on the failing CTA. I think he has given the CTA enough chance for them to do something for the Tibetans in the past 60 years but we all know the reality as to how the author put it: It Fear, that our people thought they had left behind, knocks ever closer in our home away from home.


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Fear they thought they left behind

By Ugyen Gyalpo
WOODSIDE, NY, US, 25 July 2018

It hasn’t been easy for the Tibetans in India or Nepal these past few years in expressing their political stance and aspirations bestowed under the skies of a free society.

Although no refugee has seen the kind of genuine unconditional hospitality that Tibetans had been given for over half a century by our historical neighbor in India, a neighbor unlike any, from where most of the jewels of our civilization had been garnered, be it the quest of our spiritual awakening through Buddhism prior to our shamanic world or be it incorporating their rich ancient scripts and languages.

Yet with the ever-changing political dynamics of the world, and China’s indomitable rise and wielded clout, coupled with the changing, and I should also stress often confused, political aspirations of the Tibetan people, led by the beleaguered CTA succumbed into its own eternal internal turmoil, we have witnessed India’s slowly-evaporating brotherly love from the simmering pot of diplomatic fallout emanating from that flashed-out covert secretive mission by a Tibetan emissary to China, inadvertently keeping India out of the loop last year that had caused colossal mistrust within the Indian politburo until now.

We have also seen stricter surveillance on his movements as well as unfounded suspicions of His Holiness the Karmapa, with unfounded inquisitiveness of the Indian government as to whether the HH Karmapa would actually return to India as a result.

Tibet has been a thorny issue in China-India bilateral relations ever since His Holiness was given refuge. India has much to lose if Tibet is ever given genuine autonomy, or if China reclaims all of Tibet as based on the McMahon line.

India’s recent snubbing of the Tibet issue and of Dalai-Lama-related programmes and events are evidence of their intentional and well-calibrated withdrawal. The only way we Tibetans can earn back India’s hitherto undeniable moral support and trust is if we vehemently change our political course to that of reclaiming total independence. This would reshape the paradigm of where we stand as refugees in the eyes of the Indian government, and where our ultimate goal lies.

Tibet’s evaporating political stance of Independence as opposed to the Middle-way approach has a lot of geo-political implications as far as the danger of redrawing the McMohan line is concerned. Few of the northern Indian territories that were once part of Tibet before 1949 and decisively asserted control by the newly-independent India could become a thorny territorial contest, should Tibet is awarded genuine autonomy and should His Holiness retrace his footsteps back to his homeland.

The often-avoided and heavily-feared scenario is that of China encroaching on the disputed northern borders with authority once the whole of proper Tibet that was independent before Chinese occupation becomes the newly-awarded Genuine Autonomous Region of Tibet as demanded by the CTA and His Holiness.

Even without realizing such a lifelong wish of the Dalai Lama, we have already faced skirmishes around Doklam and the Arunachal belt.

As if there weren’t enough destructive forces barraging us from outside, Tibetan society these few years starting from the election that first saw LS getting elected, the internal divisions based on regionalism, cronyism, and nepotism haven’t been more rampant and ruthless.

In actuality, more than China could have ever wished for, notwithstanding their efforts in poisoning our society, many organically-brewed hate sentiments fuelled on the grounds of regionalism took root that not only petrified the Tibetan spirit of unity but also shook the essence of unwavering faith that we had upon each other.

These days it is hard out to even identify who is who within the Tibetan community, and where their interest lies. Your very best friend could well be your enemy based on ideological differences. Twenty years ago, all Tibetans were one and we had just one enemy. But now we have so many organically-grown new enemies within — all of our own making.

Our leaders (supposedly democratically-elected) at the helm, instead of sandbagging the broken levees of trust here in India, where the functioning government in exile in CTA is trenched up, are busy touring the Western Hemisphere thanking them for decades of candy help, meeting senators and congressmen, parliamentarians, and policy makers, lobbying for the same things that they have been hypocritically promised for the past many decades.

Instead of building friendship and trust with the Modis of our time, which is planned on snubbing Tibet-related activities as of late due to newer political developments and newer political stakes, instead of filling the wounds of our neighbours on whose backs we have become the most successful refugees in the world thanks to our own resilience, fire in the belly, resolve and hard work, and also to the environment to thrive, where jealously and hatred had been spawned, the results of which could be seen around the Arunachal belt, where calls for the return of the refugee has become the new unbelievable norm.

Instead of reaching out to our Tibetan brother and sisters in Nepal, whose political voice and freedom of expression has been quelled by the Nepalese government, on account of kowtowing to China for some baited economic relief with the promise of linking rail to Kathmandu and incentives for the landlocked banana republic, not realizing the greater design of pillaging and probably annexation of Nepal to follow.

Leaving fear and terror behind, the Tibetan people sought refuge in this holy land. A safe haven they once thought it was, but they now are besieged by greed and polluted souls. Honestly even Buddha would’ve regretted having born in such a place, where the followers of Buddha Dharma are beaten and threatened by the police in recent memory. Where even on the felicitation of the birth anniversary of one of Buddha’s own manifestations in His Holiness the Dalai Lama, they are brazenly attacked with brutal force and malicious intent. Many Tibetan activists are arrested days before the March tenth anniversary and all Tibet-related protests have been indefinitely banned.

Our elected leaders and members of Parliament, instead of meeting the policy makers of Nepal to revive their lost inner compassion for the Tibetans, and request to heal the wounded Tibetan sentiments and respect their freedom of expression and also in the interim not forgetting to thank them too in their “World Thank You Tour” for supporting the Tibetan refugees for decades. Our elected leaders instead of thanking the government where the majority of Tibetans are still living are touring far and wide, as if trying to accumulate sky mileage points.

Our leaders, instead of reaching out to the leaders of Arunachal Pradesh, where SUMAA, a student group that seem to have been possessed by demons of avarice, manipulated and bribed by the Chinese and who now are bent on kicking Tibetans out of the region out of pure jealousy and hole them up into the refugee-designated areas and threaten Tibetan-owned business to shut down, is a scary reality unfolding before our eyes similar to the Jewish witch hunt. To see our leaders with arms folded and not intervening to stop the hatred from exploding is the sign of our failed leadership.

Fear, that our people thought they had left behind, knocks ever closer in our home away from home.

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Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: dsnowlion on July 31, 2018, 07:22:15 PM
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Our elected leaders and members of Parliament, instead of meeting the policy makers of Nepal to revive their lost inner compassion for the Tibetans, and request to heal the wounded Tibetan sentiments and respect their freedom of expression and also in the interim not forgetting to thank them too in their “World Thank You Tour” for supporting the Tibetan refugees for decades. Our elected leaders instead of thanking the government where the majority of Tibetans are still living are touring far and wide, as if trying to accumulate sky mileage points.

Our leaders, instead of reaching out to the leaders of Arunachal Pradesh, where SUMAA, a student group that seem to have been possessed by demons of avarice, manipulated and bribed by the Chinese and who now are bent on kicking Tibetans out of the region out of pure jealousy and hole them up into the refugee-designated areas and threaten Tibetan-owned business to shut down, is a scary reality unfolding before our eyes similar to the Jewish witch hunt. To see our leaders with arms folded and not intervening to stop the hatred from exploding is the sign of our failed leadership.

Well, at least he is smart and brave enough to voice out his opinion. Basically the Tibetan leaders, Sikyong Lobsang Sangay is not doing a good job as a leader and he does not really care. Everything he does is the opposite of what the Dalai Lama wants. This Sikyong only wants to fatten his wallet and is just using Tibetan in-exile to get sympathy from the world, so that they will donate. None of the funds reaches any of the TIbetans. So this dude is really brave to voice out the truth about CTA. I hope to see more of such courageous honest Tibetans!
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Harold Musetescu on July 31, 2018, 08:03:38 PM
Hello dsnowlion

You stated "Everything he does is the opposite of what the Dalai Lama wants. "

Yet Tsem Tulku has stated that the CTA is under the "Total Control" of the 14th Dalai Lama.

If Tsem Tulku is right then Lobsang is doing exactly what the 14th Dalai Lama wants him to do.

Or is Tsem Tulku wrong and you right?  :o
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Drolma on August 01, 2018, 12:56:54 AM
Finally, there is still a Tibetan who is smart and sees what is really going on with CTA. He is right to say Lobsang Sangay is not putting the interest of the Tibetans before himself. He is touring around the western countries to ask for more sympathy and money. He even went to Israel, what was he doing in Israel?

Lobsang Sangay has no intention to strengthen their relationship with their hosting country India, he is not building a closer relationship with Nepal, let alone China. He has never really had any plan for a better regional relationship.

The writer also points out that 20 years ago (which is before the Dorje Shugden ban), Tibetans were in unity, everyone got along very well with each other. But later Tibetans were separated by their differences in faith and political views. If internally there is no unity, then Sangay doesn't have to talk about bringing the Dalai Lama and Tibetans back to Tibet. How to strike a deal when there are so many differences within the Tibetan leadership?
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Pema8 on September 09, 2018, 12:44:05 PM
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Instead of building friendship and trust with the Modis of our time, which is planned on snubbing Tibet-related activities as of late due to newer political developments and newer political stakes, instead of filling the wounds of our neighbours on whose backs we have become the most successful refugees in the world ...

Yes, the Tibetan Cause is now 60 years old. It is sad, but who can continue as refugee for such a long time. Wouldn't it be better to accept the facts?

Unfortunately, the Tibetans don't seem to build friendships with India nor with China. So what is their future? Why are they running around but not making progress? So, there is reason to be afraid of what lies ahead of the CTA as time is running out.
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Alex on September 09, 2018, 01:10:33 PM
With the current CTA, His Holiness will definitely can't get Tibet back. It is impossible. They are too corrupted and selfish to do anything. They are not supporting the Dalai Lama's decision to get back to They present to follow H.H
The skill cup is an ornament. Even after H.H Dalai Lama has said that the small house is racist. When H.H Dalai Lama returns to Tibet, there is no need for CTA and they will have to dissolve. It will be best to dissolve them so they won't bring more harm to Tibetans.
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: SabS on September 11, 2018, 01:17:35 PM
I applaud Ugyen Gyalpo for his well written sentiments. Unfortunately it will be just a piece expressed unless more and more who feel the same dare stand up to express theirs publicly. It seems that even in US as democratic as it can get ;), the fear of the Tibetan Leaders is strong and the repercussions that may come. Scary isn't it. I don't blame them though as many had said that CTA works with CIA so safety is questionable. It is so sad that the Tibetans escaped with hopes but ended up hopeless. The thing is, CTA is committing all the offences under the nose of the world and getting away with it. Why hadn't any of the world political leaders said anything to curtail CTA's corruption? It has been 60 years and surely they must see something not right? Especially being able to remain in refugee status and their major income is sponsorship but no improvement in the exile's living condition? It seems that everything now hinges on the Dalai Lama, whether the refugees are able to return to Tibet or will they disappear into other citizenships. CTA is certainly not going to fulfil their dream, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Pema8 on September 27, 2018, 12:21:54 PM
Well said SabS! Indeed it seems that the Tibetan community in India did not specifically benefit from all the donations in the way most people would expect.

Who would support the cover up on the CTA's corruption and inefficiency? Very sad for the Tibetans in Exile.

I hope that the Dalai Lama will finally bring the Tibetans home as without him I guess it will never happen.
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Alex on October 01, 2018, 01:31:17 AM
Well said SabS! Indeed it seems that the Tibetan community in India did not specifically benefit from all the donations in the way most people would expect.

Who would support the cover-up on the CTA's corruption and inefficiency? Very sad for the Tibetans in Exile.

I hope that the Dalai Lama will finally bring the Tibetans home as without him I guess it will never happen.


It is obvious the Tibetans did not get any of the donations given to CTA that is intended to help them. Millions of funds had been given to CTA but there are no changes in the situations in the Tibetan settlements. They are still living miserably in Tibetan settlements as desperate as 60 years ago. Clearly, CTA has not been doing their job.

I don't think anyone will even notice how corrupt CTA is because of all the attention that is given to CTA is to get on China's nerve. They do not genuinely care for the welfare of the Tibetans. So many Tibetans have self-immolated and no one said anything to stop it.

Dalai Lama has started on his actions to push to go back to Tibet. He has voiced out on several occasions cleary that he wants to go back to Tibet under China. He is ok to be with China and said China and Tibet can help each other. Dalai Lama is getting himself back to Tibet with or without CTA's help.

Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: SabS on October 05, 2018, 01:51:55 AM
It is obvious the Tibetans did not get any of the donations given to CTA that is intended to help them. Millions of funds had been given to CTA but there are no changes in the situations in the Tibetan settlements. They are still living miserably in Tibetan settlements as desperate as 60 years ago. Clearly, CTA has not been doing their job.

I don't think anyone will even notice how corrupt CTA is because of all the attention that is given to CTA is to get on China's nerve. They do not genuinely care for the welfare of the Tibetans. So many Tibetans have self-immolated and no one said anything to stop it.

Dalai Lama has started on his actions to push to go back to Tibet. He has voiced out on several occasions cleary that he wants to go back to Tibet under China. He is ok to be with China and said China and Tibet can help each other. Dalai Lama is getting himself back to Tibet with or without CTA's help.

Actually I do think that the everyone, especially Government heads do know of CTA's corruption but chose to ignore for their own advantage. They used the Tibetan Cause to irk China and for that "holier than thou" attitude. Now everyone wants to be on China's side and no longer need CTA to be the cactus anymore. CTA is extremely desperate and worried about their continual source of income begged from diminishing sponsors, in face of Dalai Lama's wish to go back to China and India's growing hostilities. Lobsang Sangay stupidly, even now, will be going to court countries that are so irrelevant politically and I very much doubt his using Dalai Lama's name will be of any use. I honestly think that as things go, with the Dalai Lama going back to Tibet, India may just take back refugee lands before the expiry. Walls are closing in and still Lobsang Sangay worry about his own pocket and not his people. When will they wake up to stand up to their corrupted President and take charge for their welfare?
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Alex on October 05, 2018, 11:05:22 PM
It is obvious the Tibetans did not get any of the donations given to CTA that is intended to help them. Millions of funds had been given to CTA but there are no changes in the situations in the Tibetan settlements. They are still living miserably in Tibetan settlements as desperate as 60 years ago. Clearly, CTA has not been doing their job.

I don't think anyone will even notice how corrupt CTA is because of all the attention that is given to CTA is to get on China's nerve. They do not genuinely care for the welfare of the Tibetans. So many Tibetans have self-immolated and no one said anything to stop it.

Dalai Lama has started on his actions to push to go back to Tibet. He has voiced out on several occasions cleary that he wants to go back to Tibet under China. He is ok to be with China and said China and Tibet can help each other. Dalai Lama is getting himself back to Tibet with or without CTA's help.

Actually I do think that the everyone, especially Government heads do know of CTA's corruption but chose to ignore for their own advantage. They used the Tibetan Cause to irk China and for that "holier than thou" attitude. Now everyone wants to be on China's side and no longer need CTA to be the cactus anymore. CTA is extremely desperate and worried about their continual source of income begged from diminishing sponsors, in face of Dalai Lama's wish to go back to China and India's growing hostilities. Lobsang Sangay stupidly, even now, will be going to court countries that are so irrelevant politically and I very much doubt his using Dalai Lama's name will be of any use. I honestly think that as things go, with the Dalai Lama going back to Tibet, India may just take back refugee lands before the expiry. Walls are closing in and still Lobsang Sangay worry about his own pocket and not his people. When will they wake up to stand up to their corrupted President and take charge for their welfare?


Now that His Holiness the Dalai Lama had spoken about his wish to return to Tibet under China a few times on different events, China should have picked that up already. I wonder why there is no move from China to fulfil Dalai Lama's wish because it is extremely beneficial for China if Dalai Lama willing to go back to Tibet under China. One of the reason might be they are still confused about Dalai Lama's and CTA's stance on the issue.

CTA is still going around the world talking bad about China while the Dalai Lama said he wants to go back. They are contradicting themselves and it confuses China. CTA is not doing what the Dalai Lama wants now and that is weird because CTA is should be supporting every decision that Dalai Lama makes.

I fully support Dalai Lama's decision to return to Tibet because that is where all the Tibetans will have a home. They had been in refugee status for 60 years now and the CTA did not manage to do anything to improve that. In fact, they worsen the situation with their corruption and fights for political power. Let His Holiness the Dalai Lama go home and end the suffering.
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Drolma on October 11, 2018, 09:37:33 PM
It is obvious the Tibetans did not get any of the donations given to CTA that is intended to help them. Millions of funds had been given to CTA but there are no changes in the situations in the Tibetan settlements. They are still living miserably in Tibetan settlements as desperate as 60 years ago. Clearly, CTA has not been doing their job.

I don't think anyone will even notice how corrupt CTA is because of all the attention that is given to CTA is to get on China's nerve. They do not genuinely care for the welfare of the Tibetans. So many Tibetans have self-immolated and no one said anything to stop it.

Dalai Lama has started on his actions to push to go back to Tibet. He has voiced out on several occasions cleary that he wants to go back to Tibet under China. He is ok to be with China and said China and Tibet can help each other. Dalai Lama is getting himself back to Tibet with or without CTA's help.

Actually I do think that the everyone, especially Government heads do know of CTA's corruption but chose to ignore for their own advantage. They used the Tibetan Cause to irk China and for that "holier than thou" attitude. Now everyone wants to be on China's side and no longer need CTA to be the cactus anymore. CTA is extremely desperate and worried about their continual source of income begged from diminishing sponsors, in face of Dalai Lama's wish to go back to China and India's growing hostilities. Lobsang Sangay stupidly, even now, will be going to court countries that are so irrelevant politically and I very much doubt his using Dalai Lama's name will be of any use. I honestly think that as things go, with the Dalai Lama going back to Tibet, India may just take back refugee lands before the expiry. Walls are closing in and still Lobsang Sangay worry about his own pocket and not his people. When will they wake up to stand up to their corrupted President and take charge for their welfare?

It is very obvious that the CTA's sponsors are using the Tibet cause to irk China. There are so many refugees in the world, why are they not receiving the same kind of help from the west?  The big sponsors of the CTA are the west, Japan, Taiwan, and Hong Kong. These are the countries that always have issues with China.

Lobsang Sangay and the CTA certainly don't have the intention to protect and take care of the welfare of the Tibetans. They see how they can make use of the Tibetan plight to make money for themselves, that is why after 60 years they are still refugees! As a refugee, they don't have to work hard for the money, they just have to make themselves look pitiful and make China look bad.

But as China is getting more powerful and stronger, more countries are starting to get friendly with China, no one wants to offend her. Many countries no longer want to give the visa to the Dalai Lama to visit them. The Tibetans cannot rely on the CTA to give them a better future, they have to either fight hard themselves to get the Indian citizenship or they can choose to go back to Tibet or migrate to other countries with their own effort.
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Rowntree on October 15, 2018, 10:24:37 PM
Yes, the Tibetan Cause is now 60 years old. It is sad, but who can continue as refugee for such a long time. Wouldn't it be better to accept the facts?

Unfortunately, the Tibetans don't seem to build friendships with India nor with China. So what is their future? Why are they running around but not making progress? So, there is reason to be afraid of what lies ahead of the CTA as time is running out.

Well, the Tibetans were meant to be a refugee for 99 years, as long as the lease of land is valid. Lobsang Sangay even announced that they have another 50 years to go. The question though is will he be alive by then? Obviously not. So why is he planning for a future that will not exist for him and really do something for now?
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Alex on October 16, 2018, 02:01:37 PM
Yes, the Tibetan Cause is now 60 years old. It is sad, but who can continue as refugee for such a long time. Wouldn't it be better to accept the facts?

Unfortunately, the Tibetans don't seem to build friendships with India nor with China. So what is their future? Why are they running around but not making progress? So, there is reason to be afraid of what lies ahead of the CTA as time is running out.

Well, the Tibetans were meant to be a refugee for 99 years, as long as the lease of land is valid. Lobsang Sangay even announced that they have another 50 years to go. The question though is will he be alive by then? Obviously not. So why is he planning for a future that will not exist for him and really do something for now?

I think Lobsang Sangay is quite clever to announce that because he can easily pass the responsibility of bringing Tibetans back to Tibet to the next generation because he would be dead by then. In the meantime, he has secured 50 years of donations from those who still have sympathy for them.

The only thing is His Holiness the Dalai Lama might not have another 50 years to spare. Tibetans who are living in Exile suffering being a refugee might not have another 50 years to wait. All he thinks about is him and how he can throw the problem to another person to solve because obviously, he does not have what it takes to lead Tibetans back to Tibet.

The whole weight has been on His Holiness the Dalai Lama's shoulders all along and CTA is not doing anything to lessen the burden but to increase it. Even though His Holiness is said to have retired from his political position but it is impossible for everything to pass without his supervision because the current members of the Tibetan leadership are not reliable. All of them are still selfish people who only cared about their own wallet and welfare while neglecting the entire Tibetan Community in Exile
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: SabS on October 16, 2018, 03:19:26 PM
Yes, the Tibetan Cause is now 60 years old. It is sad, but who can continue as refugee for such a long time. Wouldn't it be better to accept the facts?

Unfortunately, the Tibetans don't seem to build friendships with India nor with China. So what is their future? Why are they running around but not making progress? So, there is reason to be afraid of what lies ahead of the CTA as time is running out.

Well, the Tibetans were meant to be a refugee for 99 years, as long as the lease of land is valid. Lobsang Sangay even announced that they have another 50 years to go. The question though is will he be alive by then? Obviously not. So why is he planning for a future that will not exist for him and really do something for now?

I think Lobsang Sangay is quite clever to announce that because he can easily pass the responsibility of bringing Tibetans back to Tibet to the next generation because he would be dead by then. In the meantime, he has secured 50 years of donations from those who still have sympathy for them.

The only thing is His Holiness the Dalai Lama might not have another 50 years to spare. Tibetans who are living in Exile suffering being a refugee might not have another 50 years to wait. All he thinks about is him and how he can throw the problem to another person to solve because obviously, he does not have what it takes to lead Tibetans back to Tibet.

The whole weight has been on His Holiness the Dalai Lama's shoulders all along and CTA is not doing anything to lessen the burden but to increase it. Even though His Holiness is said to have retired from his political position but it is impossible for everything to pass without his supervision because the current members of the Tibetan leadership are not reliable. All of them are still selfish people who only cared about their own wallet and welfare while neglecting the entire Tibetan Community in Exile

I must say the honour goes to Lobsang Sangay. Such deviousness! The land offered by India expires at 100th year and its a balance of 30-40 years? So how does he get to make plans for 50 years? Very willy way to trick the Indian Government into extending their lease? Is he so dumb to think he is clever? He is just making sure that the continued funds will last his lifetime and then who cares for the rest after that. He will leave behind his name of dirt that's for sure.

Imagine, refugee for 100 years...thats a century and more than an average person's life span. Two-three generations of refugees. Hmmm India certainly have a burden to bear. Such generosity! And how does CTA treat their host country? With arrogance and presumption. Phhhtt! Some thank you parties? As though India can't throw their own parties. CTA really look down on others when they themselves are just beggars.
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Tracy on October 17, 2018, 05:12:55 PM
Yes, the Tibetan Cause is now 60 years old. It is sad, but who can continue as refugee for such a long time. Wouldn't it be better to accept the facts?

Unfortunately, the Tibetans don't seem to build friendships with India nor with China. So what is their future? Why are they running around but not making progress? So, there is reason to be afraid of what lies ahead of the CTA as time is running out.

Well, the Tibetans were meant to be a refugee for 99 years, as long as the lease of land is valid. Lobsang Sangay even announced that they have another 50 years to go. The question though is will he be alive by then? Obviously not. So why is he planning for a future that will not exist for him and really do something for now?

I think Lobsang Sangay is quite clever to announce that because he can easily pass the responsibility of bringing Tibetans back to Tibet to the next generation because he would be dead by then. In the meantime, he has secured 50 years of donations from those who still have sympathy for them.

The only thing is His Holiness the Dalai Lama might not have another 50 years to spare. Tibetans who are living in Exile suffering being a refugee might not have another 50 years to wait. All he thinks about is him and how he can throw the problem to another person to solve because obviously, he does not have what it takes to lead Tibetans back to Tibet.

The whole weight has been on His Holiness the Dalai Lama's shoulders all along and CTA is not doing anything to lessen the burden but to increase it. Even though His Holiness is said to have retired from his political position but it is impossible for everything to pass without his supervision because the current members of the Tibetan leadership are not reliable. All of them are still selfish people who only cared about their own wallet and welfare while neglecting the entire Tibetan Community in Exile

I must say the honour goes to Lobsang Sangay. Such deviousness! The land offered by India expires at 100th year and its a balance of 30-40 years? So how does he get to make plans for 50 years? Very willy way to trick the Indian Government into extending their lease? Is he so dumb to think he is clever? He is just making sure that the continued funds will last his lifetime and then who cares for the rest after that. He will leave behind his name of dirt that's for sure.

Imagine, refugee for 100 years...thats a century and more than an average person's life span. Two-three generations of refugees. Hmmm India certainly have a burden to bear. Such generosity! And how does CTA treat their host country? With arrogance and presumption. Phhhtt! Some thank you parties? As though India can't throw their own parties. CTA really look down on others when they themselves are just beggars.

Lobsang Sangay may have an impressive qualification, but he certainly does not have an impressive leadership capability. What has he achieved for the 8 years he has been the leader in the CTA? He has more scandals than anything else. No one dares to do anything to him, that is why until today he is still very arrogant.

Lobsang Sangay is not stupid, he knows how to make use of the Tibetan plight to make money for himself.  He does not work for the Tibetans, he works for the western countries who give him the money to irk China. He doesn't care about how India feels, India is nobody to him, he just wants to make money. If India can give him more money, I am sure he will change his tone.

The Tibetans are not appreciative of India. India has given them so much support, but after 60 years, they still refuse to integrate. India wants to give them citizenship but they prefer to go to the west. Is India that bad? What they have today is due to the kindness of India, they must learn to show appreciation before India kicks them out.
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: SabS on October 21, 2018, 12:44:11 AM
Finally, there is still a Tibetan who is smart and sees what is really going on with CTA. He is right to say Lobsang Sangay is not putting the interest of the Tibetans before himself. He is touring around the western countries to ask for more sympathy and money. He even went to Israel, what was he doing in Israel?

Lobsang Sangay has no intention to strengthen their relationship with their hosting country India, he is not building a closer relationship with Nepal, let alone China. He has never really had any plan for a better regional relationship.

The writer also points out that 20 years ago (which is before the Dorje Shugden ban), Tibetans were in unity, everyone got along very well with each other. But later Tibetans were separated by their differences in faith and political views. If internally there is no unity, then Sangay doesn't have to talk about bringing the Dalai Lama and Tibetans back to Tibet. How to strike a deal when there are so many differences within the Tibetan leadership?

These are desperate times and Lobsang Sangay is grasping at air so any irrelevant countries will do as long as it seems he is making connection or being active. Get himself into the news to remain relevant. Otherwise the sponsors may just overlook or forget him or CTA. He will become a piece of redundant turd (sounds more polite ya). His people hates him and those around him are just looking for crumbs that he doles out. Oh wait! There is Dhardon Sharling that looooves him.

Strike a deal? Forget it. He is not going to be relevant enough for China to even want to see him. They are only interested in the Dalai Lama. The exiled Tibetans should really unite to change their government to a kinder and more caring one that even in the event if they are not able to return to Tibet, they are taken care of with improved living conditions and skills. Someone that respect others and is able to work with the government of India and China to his people's advantage. Wishful thinking?
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Alex on October 28, 2018, 07:39:30 AM


I must say the honour goes to Lobsang Sangay. Such deviousness! The land offered by India expires at 100th year and its a balance of 30-40 years? So how does he get to make plans for 50 years? Very willy way to trick the Indian Government into extending their lease? Is he so dumb to think he is clever? He is just making sure that the continued funds will last his lifetime and then who cares for the rest after that. He will leave behind his name of dirt that's for sure.

Imagine, refugee for 100 years...thats a century and more than an average person's life span. Two-three generations of refugees. Hmmm India certainly have a burden to bear. Such generosity! And how does CTA treat their host country? With arrogance and presumption. Phhhtt! Some thank you parties? As though India can't throw their own parties. CTA really look down on others when they themselves are just beggars.
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I think he is just plain selfish and stupid. He thinks that announcing Tibet cause will go on for another 50 years he would have died and cant held for any responsibility. He just wants to reap as much benefit while he is the Sikyong and leave when he had enough. If he does not announce that, the whole world is watching him and he will have to produce some kind of results to continue to scam donations.

He obviously does not believe in karma and reincarnation, he might be even reborn back as a Tibetan to suffer the mess that he had left behind in his previous lives. Imagine the negative karma for him to cheat 100,000 Tibetan in exile for so many years. It will definitely not be pretty for him when he passes away.

Refugee for 100 years. That will be unheard of. Most refugees will either assimilate into the society of their host country or be deported back to their own country. Tibetans being refugee for so long unreasonable even for 60 years. Their hope now will be His Holiness the Dalai Lama to bring them back to Tibet when he goes back.
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: DharmaSpace on October 28, 2018, 12:28:14 PM
It is really excellent a Tibetan is analyzing the current situation that the Tibetans in exile are in , and all is not so good after all.

CTA is not doing what is truly needed to shore up support for their causes and work. They are not focused and they are not thinking, down with the CTA, before they lead all Tibetans in exile to their dooms.
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: SabS on November 03, 2018, 06:18:42 PM

I think he is just plain selfish and stupid. He thinks that announcing Tibet cause will go on for another 50 years he would have died and cant held for any responsibility. He just wants to reap as much benefit while he is the Sikyong and leave when he had enough. If he does not announce that, the whole world is watching him and he will have to produce some kind of results to continue to scam donations.

He obviously does not believe in karma and reincarnation, he might be even reborn back as a Tibetan to suffer the mess that he had left behind in his previous lives. Imagine the negative karma for him to cheat 100,000 Tibetan in exile for so many years. It will definitely not be pretty for him when he passes away.

Refugee for 100 years. That will be unheard of. Most refugees will either assimilate into the society of their host country or be deported back to their own country. Tibetans being refugee for so long unreasonable even for 60 years. Their hope now will be His Holiness the Dalai Lama to bring them back to Tibet when he goes back.

Exactly. The Tibetan Leaders like Sikyong Lobsang Sangay act as though karma does not apply to them. Wonder if the Dalai Lama had told them that...karma will not happen to them if they toe the Dalai Lama's line, straight! Then we know why they dare to do what they had done all these while! Dumb though! Who will suffer the karma but themselves when the time comes. Even Buddha couldn't take away our karma how could anyone else? So those Anti-Shugdens who commit such grave deeds as to disparage the enlightened DS Lamas like Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, Kyabje Gangchen Rinpoche, Kyabje Tsem Rinpoche, Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche and the many more that had been harassed and abused with vulgarity or death threats, should really watch themselves and stop immediately. Such heavy karma that will lead one straight to hell according to Buddha's teachings. What more, to create the doubt in the precious lineage Gurus that affects the integrity of the practices, how heavy will that karma be too?
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Tracy on January 13, 2019, 04:15:32 AM
China is getting more powerful every day. They want to become the superpower of the world, therefore, it is very important to also improve the quality of lives of the people. Tibetans in the past have been living in poverty under the old Tibetan ruling and so solving the poverty problem is the priority of the Chinese government.

Since many years ago, the Chinese government has invested a lot in improving the standard living of the Tibetans. They have special programs to help the Tibetans to acquire skills they need to be more competitive. The Tibetans have the same opportunity as other Chinese citizens to receive education and for jobs. Today, many Tibetans are out of poverty line. Even though ruled by the Chinese, the Tibetans are still allowed to speak and learn their own language and practice their culture.

The CTA, on the other hand, claims that they are preserving the Tibetan culture. But many of the younger generations don't speak Tibetan anymore, they are more westernised than being Tibetan. Tibetan culture to them is something very foreign. The Tibetans should realise this and perhaps going back to Tibet is not a bad idea at all.
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Alex on January 13, 2019, 04:44:48 PM
Yes, the Tibetan Cause is now 60 years old. It is sad, but who can continue as refugee for such a long time. Wouldn't it be better to accept the facts?

Unfortunately, the Tibetans don't seem to build friendships with India nor with China. So what is their future? Why are they running around but not making progress? So, there is reason to be afraid of what lies ahead of the CTA as time is running out.

Well, the Tibetans were meant to be a refugee for 99 years, as long as the lease of land is valid. Lobsang Sangay even announced that they have another 50 years to go. The question though is will he be alive by then? Obviously not. So why is he planning for a future that will not exist for him and really do something for now?

I think Lobsang Sangay is quite clever to announce that because he can easily pass the responsibility of bringing Tibetans back to Tibet to the next generation because he would be dead by then. In the meantime, he has secured 50 years of donations from those who still have sympathy for them.

The only thing is His Holiness the Dalai Lama might not have another 50 years to spare. Tibetans who are living in Exile suffering being a refugee might not have another 50 years to wait. All he thinks about is him and how he can throw the problem to another person to solve because obviously, he does not have what it takes to lead Tibetans back to Tibet.

The whole weight has been on His Holiness the Dalai Lama's shoulders all along and CTA is not doing anything to lessen the burden but to increase it. Even though His Holiness is said to have retired from his political position but it is impossible for everything to pass without his supervision because the current members of the Tibetan leadership are not reliable. All of them are still selfish people who only cared about their own wallet and welfare while neglecting the entire Tibetan Community in Exile

I must say the honour goes to Lobsang Sangay. Such deviousness! The land offered by India expires at 100th year and its a balance of 30-40 years? So how does he get to make plans for 50 years? Very willy way to trick the Indian Government into extending their lease? Is he so dumb to think he is clever? He is just making sure that the continued funds will last his lifetime and then who cares for the rest after that. He will leave behind his name of dirt that's for sure.

Imagine, refugee for 100 years...thats a century and more than an average person's life span. Two-three generations of refugees. Hmmm India certainly have a burden to bear. Such generosity! And how does CTA treat their host country? With arrogance and presumption. Phhhtt! Some thank you parties? As though India can't throw their own parties. CTA really look down on others when they themselves are just beggars.

You are so right Sabs, actually, it is 110 years. Lobsang Sangay added 50 years to the Tibetan cause. No one will even remember what is it like of the pre-China Tibet. Everyone that escaped from Tibet at 1959 will be dead by now and all the Tibetan in exile will be Tibetans that never set foot in their supposedly "motherland" that they fight so passionately for.

CTA's brainwashing scheme is quite good I must say. Have you noticed that the recently self-immolators are getting younger and younger? Young Tibetans are easier to manipulate because they are not exposed to alot of people and news in the world. With all those young Tibetans being lured to kill themselves in the name of Tibet, CTA is quite happy with the attention they are generating which got them even more donations.

CTA even launched a book to glorify the act of self-immolation which indirectly encouraging their own people to kill themselves. What kind of government do that to their own people? They only want to benefit themselves and they can sacrifice anyone in the pursuit for their goal. This is their modus operandi for over 400 years now. This is not something new. That is why they lost their country.
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Drolma on January 15, 2019, 06:41:14 PM
Finally, there is still a Tibetan who is smart and sees what is really going on with CTA. He is right to say Lobsang Sangay is not putting the interest of the Tibetans before himself. He is touring around the western countries to ask for more sympathy and money. He even went to Israel, what was he doing in Israel?

Lobsang Sangay has no intention to strengthen their relationship with their hosting country India, he is not building a closer relationship with Nepal, let alone China. He has never really had any plan for a better regional relationship.

The writer also points out that 20 years ago (which is before the Dorje Shugden ban), Tibetans were in unity, everyone got along very well with each other. But later Tibetans were separated by their differences in faith and political views. If internally there is no unity, then Sangay doesn't have to talk about bringing the Dalai Lama and Tibetans back to Tibet. How to strike a deal when there are so many differences within the Tibetan leadership?

These are desperate times and Lobsang Sangay is grasping at air so any irrelevant countries will do as long as it seems he is making connection or being active. Get himself into the news to remain relevant. Otherwise the sponsors may just overlook or forget him or CTA. He will become a piece of redundant turd (sounds more polite ya). His people hates him and those around him are just looking for crumbs that he doles out. Oh wait! There is Dhardon Sharling that looooves him.

Strike a deal? Forget it. He is not going to be relevant enough for China to even want to see him. They are only interested in the Dalai Lama. The exiled Tibetans should really unite to change their government to a kinder and more caring one that even in the event if they are not able to return to Tibet, they are taken care of with improved living conditions and skills. Someone that respect others and is able to work with the government of India and China to his people's advantage. Wishful thinking?

Lobsang Sangay is not capable and he is useless, the end. He is just an opportunist who wants something for himself. He did not become a politician with the motivation to take care of the welfare of the Tibetans. He is making use of his Sikyong position to build his network and make money for himself.

He has done more harm than good for the years he has been in the CTA. He criminalised Dorje Shugden practitioners, launched books and videos to smear Dorje Shugden, created disharmony among the Tibetans. There are already many problems within the Tibetan community, but instead of resolving the problems, Lobsang Sangay creates more problems.

Lobsang Sangay does not want the Tibetans to go back to Tibet, he does not want to reconcile with the Chinese government. Isn't it clear to see? If he ever reconciles with the Chinese government, he will lose his power and the opportunity to make more money.  He also doesn't want to free Tibet. If Tibet is independent, Lobsang Sangay will have to work harder and more. Besides, he is not capable to lead millions of people. This is probably why Lobsang Sangay keeps creating disharmony within the Tibetan community so that the Tibetans are not united to do the right thing, such as kicking him out from the CTA.
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Alex on February 19, 2019, 02:16:33 PM
Finally, there is still a Tibetan who is smart and sees what is really going on with CTA. He is right to say Lobsang Sangay is not putting the interest of the Tibetans before himself. He is touring around the western countries to ask for more sympathy and money. He even went to Israel, what was he doing in Israel?

Lobsang Sangay has no intention to strengthen their relationship with their hosting country India, he is not building a closer relationship with Nepal, let alone China. He has never really had any plan for a better regional relationship.

The writer also points out that 20 years ago (which is before the Dorje Shugden ban), Tibetans were in unity, everyone got along very well with each other. But later Tibetans were separated by their differences in faith and political views. If internally there is no unity, then Sangay doesn't have to talk about bringing the Dalai Lama and Tibetans back to Tibet. How to strike a deal when there are so many differences within the Tibetan leadership?

These are desperate times and Lobsang Sangay is grasping at air so any irrelevant countries will do as long as it seems he is making connection or being active. Get himself into the news to remain relevant. Otherwise the sponsors may just overlook or forget him or CTA. He will become a piece of redundant turd (sounds more polite ya). His people hates him and those around him are just looking for crumbs that he doles out. Oh wait! There is Dhardon Sharling that looooves him.

Strike a deal? Forget it. He is not going to be relevant enough for China to even want to see him. They are only interested in the Dalai Lama. The exiled Tibetans should really unite to change their government to a kinder and more caring one that even in the event if they are not able to return to Tibet, they are taken care of with improved living conditions and skills. Someone that respect others and is able to work with the government of India and China to his people's advantage. Wishful thinking?

Lobsang Sangay is not capable and he is useless, the end. He is just an opportunist who wants something for himself. He did not become a politician with the motivation to take care of the welfare of the Tibetans. He is making use of his Sikyong position to build his network and make money for himself.

He has done more harm than good for the years he has been in the CTA. He criminalised Dorje Shugden practitioners, launched books and videos to smear Dorje Shugden, created disharmony among the Tibetans. There are already many problems within the Tibetan community, but instead of resolving the problems, Lobsang Sangay creates more problems.

Lobsang Sangay does not want the Tibetans to go back to Tibet, he does not want to reconcile with the Chinese government. Isn't it clear to see? If he ever reconciles with the Chinese government, he will lose his power and the opportunity to make more money.  He also doesn't want to free Tibet. If Tibet is independent, Lobsang Sangay will have to work harder and more. Besides, he is not capable to lead millions of people. This is probably why Lobsang Sangay keeps creating disharmony within the Tibetan community so that the Tibetans are not united to do the right thing, such as kicking him out from the CTA.

Lobsang Sangay will never want to bring Tibetans back to Tibet because if he does, there will be no more free money for him. Now he does not need to do anything and the world will donate money to them. It is such an easy job to run a government with no physical land to govern while the whole world keeps giving them sympathy money.

Once they return to Tibet, the Chinese government will definitely not allow them to exist and they will be forced to disband. Which government on earth will let another government to set up their office in their land? That is why CTA will have to close down once all the Tibetans are back in Tibet.

That is why Lobsang Sagnay does not really want the Tibetans to go back to Tibet and hence he did not really work on the Tibet cause. This explains why the progress on the Tibetan cause can be so painstakingly slow. He also tried to sabotage the whole cause by going around the world and talk bad about China.
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Tracy on February 22, 2019, 07:17:11 AM
The fact is no one really wants Tibet to be independent, everyone has their own agenda. If Lobsang Sangay and his cronies love Tibet so much, why are they not refugees like their fellow Tibetans in India? Why all of them have a passport from another country? Since they have decided to be the citizen of another country, it means they are not interested in going back to Tibet.

Lobsang Sangay and the CTA are using the Tibetans to make money, to get free money from the West. They have been earning their living like this, it's hard for them to give up such an easy way to make money. Therefore, they will not make free Tibet a success. They will only talk but they will never take action.

For the western countries, they also want the Tibetans and Tibet to remain status quo because this is the card for them to irk China and to sabotage China. Without the Tibet cause, there will be one less topic for them to condemn China. The western countries are not so stupid to keep giving money to support a cause that has been going on for the past 60 years and shows no results. All of them have their own agenda. The ones who suffer are the Tibetans.
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Alex on February 22, 2019, 04:19:29 PM
Yes, the Tibetan Cause is now 60 years old. It is sad, but who can continue as refugee for such a long time. Wouldn't it be better to accept the facts?

Unfortunately, the Tibetans don't seem to build friendships with India nor with China. So what is their future? Why are they running around but not making progress? So, there is reason to be afraid of what lies ahead of the CTA as time is running out.

Well, the Tibetans were meant to be a refugee for 99 years, as long as the lease of land is valid. Lobsang Sangay even announced that they have another 50 years to go. The question though is will he be alive by then? Obviously not. So why is he planning for a future that will not exist for him and really do something for now?

I think Lobsang Sangay is quite clever to announce that because he can easily pass the responsibility of bringing Tibetans back to Tibet to the next generation because he would be dead by then. In the meantime, he has secured 50 years of donations from those who still have sympathy for them.

The only thing is His Holiness the Dalai Lama might not have another 50 years to spare. Tibetans who are living in Exile suffering being a refugee might not have another 50 years to wait. All he thinks about is him and how he can throw the problem to another person to solve because obviously, he does not have what it takes to lead Tibetans back to Tibet.

The whole weight has been on His Holiness the Dalai Lama's shoulders all along and CTA is not doing anything to lessen the burden but to increase it. Even though His Holiness is said to have retired from his political position but it is impossible for everything to pass without his supervision because the current members of the Tibetan leadership are not reliable. All of them are still selfish people who only cared about their own wallet and welfare while neglecting the entire Tibetan Community in Exile

I must say the honour goes to Lobsang Sangay. Such deviousness! The land offered by India expires at 100th year and its a balance of 30-40 years? So how does he get to make plans for 50 years? Very willy way to trick the Indian Government into extending their lease? Is he so dumb to think he is clever? He is just making sure that the continued funds will last his lifetime and then who cares for the rest after that. He will leave behind his name of dirt that's for sure.

Imagine, refugee for 100 years...thats a century and more than an average person's life span. Two-three generations of refugees. Hmmm India certainly have a burden to bear. Such generosity! And how does CTA treat their host country? With arrogance and presumption. Phhhtt! Some thank you parties? As though India can't throw their own parties. CTA really look down on others when they themselves are just beggars.

Lobsang Sangay just announces the extension of the Tibetan cause for 50 years and I am sure that he did not talk to India about it. Maybe India will just take back their land after their initial agreement expires and all Tibetans in exile will be homeless by then. Tibetans are really shameless. They have been leeching off India for so many years and now they want to extend?

It will be over a century for the Tibetans to be refugees. Seriously? Who does that? Who stays as refugees for over 100 years? There can be a 2-3 generation of Tibetans living in India since the great escape. Why does the Tibetans in exile does not see a problem in this and continue to express their undying support for His Holiness and the CTA?

India is so kind to have tolerated them and still they did not appreciate them. They still make problems wherever they go and be really arrogant thinking that Indias are not the same for singers. India should just ignore what Lobsang Sangay says.

Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Drolma on March 09, 2019, 08:34:22 AM
It is really excellent a Tibetan is analyzing the current situation that the Tibetans in exile are in , and all is not so good after all.

CTA is not doing what is truly needed to shore up support for their causes and work. They are not focused and they are not thinking, down with the CTA, before they lead all Tibetans in exile to their dooms.

Those Tibetans who are born and raised outside of Tibet are more exposed to new ideas and the world outside, they know what is happening. They are not brought up in the old Tibetan system so the CTA to them is not the absolute power. They can also see with their eyes and analyse with their mind what is really happening.

After 60 years of struggling, the Tibetans are still struggling, they are still refugees with no identity and the CTA is actually quite happy to keep thing as it is because they need the refugees to continue to ask for donations from the west. The CTA does not have any plan for the Tibetans at all. The Tibetans in exile are stuck, they are not sure how long they have to still wait.

Some Tibetans are already planning for themselves. Some of them have migrated overseas, they are well integrated into the local system. Some choose to go back to Tibet where there are much more opportunities. Some have already become Indian citizens. Those who have chosen to leave the CTA are having better lives now. It is a shame that the CTA is not taking care of its own people.
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Drolma on March 20, 2019, 11:34:06 AM
The fact is no one really wants Tibet to be independent, everyone has their own agenda. If Lobsang Sangay and his cronies love Tibet so much, why are they not refugees like their fellow Tibetans in India? Why all of them have a passport from another country? Since they have decided to be the citizen of another country, it means they are not interested in going back to Tibet.

Lobsang Sangay and the CTA are using the Tibetans to make money, to get free money from the West. They have been earning their living like this, it's hard for them to give up such an easy way to make money. Therefore, they will not make free Tibet a success. They will only talk but they will never take action.

For the western countries, they also want the Tibetans and Tibet to remain status quo because this is the card for them to irk China and to sabotage China. Without the Tibet cause, there will be one less topic for them to condemn China. The western countries are not so stupid to keep giving money to support a cause that has been going on for the past 60 years and shows no results. All of them have their own agenda. The ones who suffer are the Tibetans.

I agree with you, no one really wants to free Tibet. Tibet issue is a very useful tool for different people with different agendas. For Lobsang Sangay, the Tibet issue is his income generator. Without the Tibet issue, where is he going to get the fund to pay for his and his cronies' salary? He is not that stupid to make himself jobless by making Free Tibet movement successful. He likes power, he won't want to be reporting to China.

As for the western countries, they are finding ways to sabotage China as the growing power of China is a threat to them. They want to be in control of the world economy so they can do what they want. If China becomes the strongest economy, they will lose control and they have to listen to China. For centuries, the western countries have been the big brother, they will not like to lose that status. Unfortunately, who has the money, who will be the boss.

For those who claim they are human right activists, many of them are actually paid to do the job, they are not that righteous. They are hired to create problems for China, for example, Robert Thurman. Again, this group of people doesn't want the Tibet cause to be successful. If the Tibet cause is a success, they will lose their income. At the end of the day, it is all about the money.
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Alex on March 25, 2019, 03:10:57 AM
Tibetans in exile are the innocent bunch in this fight for Tibetan cause. They are being used again and again and they still don't know. The Tibetan government does not fight for them. The government is actually fighting for their own benefit. That is why the Tibetan cause does not have any progress for the past 60 years. They did not do anything substantial to help to fight for the cause. All they did is to whine and whine to the westerners about how bad China is and how poor they are to get sympathy money. All those money will be distributed among the CTA before they will ever reach into the hands of fellow Tibetans in Exile. Tibetans in Exile should just abandon CTA and move on with their lives before it is too late.
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Tracy on March 25, 2019, 03:34:43 AM
The CTA does not care about the Tibetans, that is the fact. The CTA is only using the Tibetans to make money for themselves so they can have a good life and future while the normal Tibetans' future remains uncertain and shaky. Many Tibetans have realised that they cannot rely on the CTA. Some Tibetans have migrated overseas, some have returned to Tibet, some have become India citizens. Sad to say this, but as long as the Tibetan is out of the CTA's control, their lives seem to be better.
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: dsnowlion on March 25, 2019, 03:40:06 AM
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Our leaders (supposedly democratically-elected) at the helm, instead of sandbagging the broken levees of trust here in India, where the functioning government in exile in CTA is trenched up, are busy touring the Western Hemisphere thanking them for decades of candy help, meeting senators and congressmen, parliamentarians, and policymakers, lobbying for the same things that they have been hypocritically promised for the past many decades.

We need more Ugyen Gyalpos. Tibetans who can think and who are exposed and have some brains like Ugyen Gyalpo. If more Tibetans speak up, it will create the cause for a change in the Tibetan leadership. Since CTA is supposed to be democratic, so the people should be brave and take a stand and speak up! When a government suppresses people from speaking up, they break their own constitution for freedom of speech which a democratic government is supposed to allow, adhere and implement. It will then show their true colours that in actuality they are a fake democratic government and have been lying and deceiving the world and their people. If this is the case, they might as well demand a change in the government, after all the CTA is not even recognised as a government but most countries. 
Title: Re: Fear that CTA thought they left behind
Post by: Rowntree on March 25, 2019, 04:46:27 AM
Two points worth to be highlighted from this article for the readers' reference:
1) One of the analysts highlighted that economic growth in Tibet Autonomous Region (China) actually significantly help to curb a mass movement to rise and can even see Tibetans in exile return to Tibet.

2) The oppression of Uighurs in Xinjiang has overtaken Tibet as the focus of China's human rights critics. This is due to "when Germany's top human rights official Barbel Kofler asked to visit Xinjiang last year, she was taken instead to Tibet -- an indication of how much Beijing feels secure about the situation there".

Tibet is no longer how it used to be. People there have forgotten the Dalai Lama and he can no longer influence them there. Money works as usual.

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Tibet struggle's slow slide off the global radar as Dalai Lama ages

Ammu KANNAMPILLY
AFP News15 March 2019

Sixty years after the Dalai Lama fled into permanent Indian exile, the cause of Tibetan freedom that earned him a Nobel prize and a celebrity-studded international following has lost much of its momentum -- neutralised, analysts say, by the passage of time and China's rising global power.

Inside Tibet, Beijing has effectively wiped out any organised opposition to its iron-clad rule, while outside, the once-vocal support of sympathetic governments and world leaders has dwindled to near-silence in recent years despite the 14th Dalai Lama's enduring personal popularity.

"The fate of Tibet is in the hands of the Chinese state... Tibetans outside the region are not very relevant to the fate of Tibet, and this includes the Dalai Lama", said Nathan Hill, convener of Tibetan studies at the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) in London.

In 2007, the Buddhist spiritual leader said his homeland was facing its "darkest period in 2,000 years". The following year, with the world's eyes on China in the run-up to the 2008 Olympics, protests unfurled across Tibet, sparking a furious response from Beijing.

"You don't see protests like that anymore," said Kate Saunders of the US-based International Campaign for Tibet, attributing the shift in part to Tibetans abiding by the Dalai Lama's message of non-violence and to massive Chinese state surveillance.

Although the Dalai Lama's campaign largely focused on autonomy rather than independence, negotiations with China stalled in 2010, amid suspicion that Beijing was intentionally dragging on pointless talks, hoping international pressure would ease with his eventual death.

The 83-year-old has sought to pre-empt any attempt by Beijing to name his reincarnated successor, even announcing in 2011 that he may be the last in the lineage.

The officially atheist Communist Party has already shown it will intervene in the reincarnation of important figures in Tibetan Buddhism, such as the Panchen Lama who traditionally plays a significant role in choosing the Dalai Lama's successor.

The boy chosen by the Dalai Lama to serve as the Panchen Lama was detained by Chinese authorities at the age of six and has not been seen since, with Beijing appointing its own candidate in 1995.

Although the exiled leader remains a hugely popular speaker, he has cut back on his global engagements and has not met a world leader since 2016 -- while governments have been wary of extending invitations to him for fear of angering Beijing.

"The craze for Tibet among Westerners in the 1980s and the following decades has decreased significantly", said Katia Buffetrille, a Tibetologist at the Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes in Paris.

Even India, which offered asylum to the Dalai Lama in 1959 when he made a daring escape across the Himalayas dressed as a soldier, has turned its back, with the government reportedly warning officials against attending events featuring him, citing diplomatic sensitivities.

- Buying freedom -

As the exile-led movement loses momentum, Tibetans at home are struggling to keep their traditions alive.

"Tibetans live in a totalitarian police state -- if they challenge restrictions, they face the consequences," said Gray Tuttle, a professor of modern Tibetan studies at Columbia University.

"Previous protests from the 1980s on... have yielded no tangible benefits, rather they have generated a worse political outcome and further clampdown."

At least 150 Tibetans have set themselves on fire since 2009 in protest against Beijing, most of whom have died from their injuries. But the frequency of self-immolations has lessened.

China's investment in the region includes a huge outlay on security to build a surveillance state that makes it harder to organise protests. Rights groups say that a government campaign targeting the family and friends of protesters has also helped suppress dissent.

Beijing insists that Tibetans enjoy extensive freedoms and argues it has brought economic growth to the mountainous region.

The oppression of Uighurs in Xinjiang has also overtaken Tibet as the focus of China's human rights critics.

When Germany's top human rights official Barbel Kofler asked to visit Xinjiang last year, she was taken instead to Tibet -- an indication of how much Beijing feels secure about the situation there, even though foreign journalists are still barred from reporting independently in the region.

Many locals accuse Beijing of repressing their religion and diluting their culture, but nonetheless the economic growth -- boosted by government subsidies -- has even seen Tibetan exiles return to the region.

Tibetologist Francoise Robin, who visits the region every year, told AFP that Beijing had effectively sidelined any talk of freedom by pumping money into Tibet.

"This is what is paradoxical in the case of Tibet, compared to other similar situations, because China is a country... that is on the rise. Often, in order for a rebellion, for a mass movement to rise, you need economic despair."

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