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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: Celia on July 22, 2018, 04:31:08 PM
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Robert Thurman: Fanning hatred against Shugden Buddhists
The Dorje Shugden ban is a travesty of justice and also an indictment against everyone who has perpetuated this grave injustice against innocent monks and four million Dorje Shugden believers around the world. One of the enforcers of the Dalai Lama’s illegal ban is none other than Robert Thurman, regarded as ‘the Dalai Lama’s man in America’. Thurman had previously labelled Shugden Buddhists as the “Taliban of Buddhism” with the intention of creating public enmity towards Dorje Shugden people.
Thurman’s disregard for the law is not limited to defaming innocent Shugden practitioners but also extends to seeking to engage hackers to attack the social media accounts of some who are critical of the ban. This itself is a felony and shows Thurman’s utter scorn of the people’s right to express their opinions.
Fortunately, there are people like Indy Hack, an independent UK based journalist who has devoted himself to reporting on the deceit of the Dalai Lama and his coterie. In this story, Indy Hack exposes Thurman’s criminal enterprise in denying Shugden worshippers their right to their religion. For more from Indy Hack, visit arebuddhistsracist.com.
More at: [url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/robert-thurman-fanning-hatred-against-shugden-buddhists/[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/robert-thurman-fanning-hatred-against-shugden-buddhists/[/url])
It is really puzzling how people can have so much trust in a self-proclaimed first Western Buddhist monk who actually disrobed to get married. In fact, ironically, he abandoned his family to get the vows only to subsequently give them up and get married. Why give so much credence to a man whose claim to fame is to ride on the coat-tails of the Dalai Lama? It is obvious that based on his actions, from his personal inability to take vows and his Dharma practice seriously; to his not so covert hate campaigns against Dorje Shugden practitioners (even with illegal means of soliciting hackers) it is actually illogical to consider this someone who is an “authority on Buddhism”.
Yet, for some reasons, there are many who buy his BS without examining the issues. It is really sad when people do not seek out the truth but work with fixed conclusion as stated by others and then blindly come up with questionable reasons to conveniently support such tainted conclusion.
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Is Robert Thurman really an expert in Tibetan Buddhism? Is he really a Buddhist? He openly criticises Dorje Shugden practitioners with no mercy, creating conflicts among the Buddhist community. He even uses his twitter account to promote hatred. How is he going to preach his students about love and compassion when he shows so much hatred and anger towards people of another faith? He is a professor, he has a brain, why doesn't he study in detail about the whole issue but just blindly agree with what Dalai Lama is doing?
Robert Thurman just wants to get into Dalai Lama's good book so he can take more photos with him and boost his book sales and his Dawa Spa. He is a commercial Buddhist, money, and fame is more important to him than love and compassion. His mantra every day is "money money money"
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It is only to be close to the Dalai Lama that Robert Thurman is so hateful against Dorje Shugden practitioners. The fame of the Dalai Lama will help him to be more popular and sell his books better.
But he himself was a monk but he disrobed and now he is still not really practicing Buddhism or where is there a vow to spread hate against other Buddhist traditions???
It is really puzzling me why he does this - if not for the money??
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Robert Thurman is a hypocrite, a selfish father who didn't stand up for his daughter Hollywood star Uma Thurman who was sexually abused, a killer of living creatures by promoting fly fishing in Catskills, a troll of the Shugden people and anti-Chinese racist. He leeches on the Dalai Lama for fame, money, and power but he failed to protect his daughter from being abused sexually. In fact, he even supports sexual abuse by associating with Tibetan lamas who have many sexual allegations on them such as Sogyal Lakar. Thurman is an evil and cold theft of dharma for his own benefits. I really hope that his negative karmas will catch up with him so that he can stop his harm and really practice dharma finally.
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Robert Thurman is a hypocrite, a selfish father who didn't stand up for his daughter Hollywood star Uma Thurman who was sexually abused, a killer of living creatures by promoting fly fishing in Catskills, a troll of the Shugden people and anti-Chinese racist. He leeches on the Dalai Lama for fame, money, and power but he failed to protect his daughter from being abused sexually. In fact, he even supports sexual abuse by associating with Tibetan lamas who have many sexual allegations on them such as Sogyal Lakar. Thurman is an evil and cold theft of dharma for his own benefits. I really hope that his negative karmas will catch up with him so that he can stop his harm and really practice dharma finally.
Lol! Spot on! You know what? Dalai Lama seems to gather followers like this. Wonder why? But then again, the Dalai Lama in his 80's had lived quite considerably healthy which seems to mean that not many are his students as it has been said that the negative activities of the students affects their Guru's wellbeing. Very telling, isn't it? But I would say its fortunate that not many, like Robert Thurman, are genuinely the Dalai Lama's students as I do hope he lives well into his 100's. Robert Thurman is just an old crone who thinks he knows all but actually are empty of substance. Such a waste of opportunities to gain real attainments with all the golden moments with such a holy being.
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Robert Thurman, a renowned expert in Tibetan Buddhism, a good friend of the Dalai Lama is not compassionate at all! He is very political, together with the CTA, he is putting all Dorje Shugden followers down. He even tried to hire hackers to attack Dorje Shugden followers which is against the law!
Not only he is unkind to the Dorje Shugden followers, but he is also very unkind to the animals. His retreat center encourages the participants to participate in the fishing activity after their meditation program. What kind of Buddhist encourages killing? What kind of compassion is this?
Recently, he is also seen with Sogyal Rinpoche who is a sex abuser. Why is he so close to a criminal? Is he endorsing his action? His own daughter is a victim to sexual assault, won't his action disappoint his daughter? People say he is very money minded, I think they are right. If it is not for the money, why is he doing all the things a real Buddhist should not be doing?
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Robert Thurman is a really bad example of how a Buddhist should be. Him being a Buddhist professor and known as Dalai Lama's man in America is setting a bad example for those who are learning under him. He openly attacked Dorje Shugden practitioners on Twitter and even hire 2 trolls to help him with that. The 2 trolls create multiple fake accounts to attack the target and use very mean and nasty words on their enemies.
This is not the path of a Buddhist. No matter how much we are displeased about that person, we should tolerate and be kind about it. It is wrong for us to attack them publicly and use nasty names on them. We should also tolerate those who do not agree with our own choice of religion. Shugden practitioners are doing their practice quietly and not harming anyone.
He should respect their choice of religion even he personally do not agree with it. People have religious freedom and no everyone have to listen to him or His Holiness the Dalai Lama. He should snap out of it and stop acting like the religious police in America by calling out fault on everyone.
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Robert Thurman is a really bad example of how a Buddhist should be. Him being a Buddhist professor and known as Dalai Lama's man in America is setting a bad example for those who are learning under him. He openly attacked Dorje Shugden practitioners on Twitter and even hire 2 trolls to help him with that. The 2 trolls create multiple fake accounts to attack the target and use very mean and nasty words on their enemies.
This is not the path of a Buddhist. No matter how much we are displeased about that person, we should tolerate and be kind about it. It is wrong for us to attack them publicly and use nasty names on them. We should also tolerate those who do not agree with our own choice of religion. Shugden practitioners are doing their practice quietly and not harming anyone.
He should respect their choice of religion even he personally do not agree with it. People have religious freedom and no everyone have to listen to him or His Holiness the Dalai Lama. He should snap out of it and stop acting like the religious police in America by calling out fault on everyone.
Robert Thurman is a bad example of how a Buddhist should be but he is a very GOOD example of how a Buddhist should NOT be! I was shocked at how money minded he is. His retreat center encourages flyfishing activity, he openly wants to pay hackers to attack Dorje Shugden followers' twitter accounts and he befriends sex abuser!
I have never imagined a long time Buddhist practitioner like Robert Thurman can do something like this. No killing is the basic refuge vow a Buddhist has to keep, but why is he encouraging people to kill for leisure? Or he thinks he is already attained so he can bless those fishes that are killed? What have the Dorje Shugden practitioners done to make him want to look for hackers to attack them?
It appears to me that he is very vengeful, just because he and the Dalai Lama choose not to practice Dorje Shugden, so he sees Dorje Shugden followers as his enemies and wants to 'take care' of them? Where is the compassion? His compassion is limited to rich and famous then? He writes books about how to control anger and develop compassion how come he has failed to do that? How credible and reliable is he? He is just a commercial Buddhist, selling Dharma for his indulgence.
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Robert Thurman is a really bad example of how a Buddhist should be. Him being a Buddhist professor and known as Dalai Lama's man in America is setting a bad example for those who are learning under him. He openly attacked Dorje Shugden practitioners on Twitter and even hire 2 trolls to help him with that. The 2 trolls create multiple fake accounts to attack the target and use very mean and nasty words on their enemies.
This is not the path of a Buddhist. No matter how much we are displeased about that person, we should tolerate and be kind about it. It is wrong for us to attack them publicly and use nasty names on them. We should also tolerate those who do not agree with our own choice of religion. Shugden practitioners are doing their practice quietly and not harming anyone.
He should respect their choice of religion even he personally do not agree with it. People have religious freedom and no everyone have to listen to him or His Holiness the Dalai Lama. He should snap out of it and stop acting like the religious police in America by calling out fault on everyone.
Robert Thurman is a bad example of how a Buddhist should be but he is a very GOOD example of how a Buddhist should NOT be! I was shocked at how money minded he is. His retreat center encourages flyfishing activity, he openly wants to pay hackers to attack Dorje Shugden followers' twitter accounts and he befriends sex abuser!
I have never imagined a long time Buddhist practitioner like Robert Thurman can do something like this. No killing is the basic refuge vow a Buddhist has to keep, but why is he encouraging people to kill for leisure? Or he thinks he is already attained so he can bless those fishes that are killed? What have the Dorje Shugden practitioners done to make him want to look for hackers to attack them?
It appears to me that he is very vengeful, just because he and the Dalai Lama choose not to practice Dorje Shugden, so he sees Dorje Shugden followers as his enemies and wants to 'take care' of them? Where is the compassion? His compassion is limited to rich and famous then? He writes books about how to control anger and develop compassion how come he has failed to do that? How credible and reliable is he? He is just a commercial Buddhist, selling Dharma for his indulgence.
That is not the end of the list. Robert Thurman also supports Lamas that sexually abuses their students such as Sogyal Lakar. There are rumours about the bad doings of Sogyal and everyone knows about it. Why Robert Thurman being the "Dalai Lama's man in America" did not investigate and stop that evil lama? Why did he openly support Sogyal and take pictures with him? He is only interested in the fame and money that Sogyal and bring him.
That is the main reason why Robert Thurman did not expose his best buddy Sogyal Lakar. He might even get benefits from Sogyal because Sogyal often sends his student to give sexual favours to other lamas. That is why Robert Thurman here did not say anything about the heinous crimes of Sogyal. This is truly shocking because Robert Thurman's daughter, Uma Thurman is a sexual abuse victim herself.
She has been speaking up against her sexual abuser in the recent MeToo movement which empowers sexually abused victims to expose their abuser. What would Uma think and feel if she finds out that her father is one of those sexual abuser that she dislikes alot. I guess Robert Thurman does not really care about how her daughter feels because to him, fame and money is above everything.
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Robert Thurman is a really bad example of how a Buddhist should be. Him being a Buddhist professor and known as Dalai Lama's man in America is setting a bad example for those who are learning under him. He openly attacked Dorje Shugden practitioners on Twitter and even hire 2 trolls to help him with that. The 2 trolls create multiple fake accounts to attack the target and use very mean and nasty words on their enemies.
This is not the path of a Buddhist. No matter how much we are displeased about that person, we should tolerate and be kind about it. It is wrong for us to attack them publicly and use nasty names on them. We should also tolerate those who do not agree with our own choice of religion. Shugden practitioners are doing their practice quietly and not harming anyone.
He should respect their choice of religion even he personally do not agree with it. People have religious freedom and no everyone have to listen to him or His Holiness the Dalai Lama. He should snap out of it and stop acting like the religious police in America by calling out fault on everyone.
Robert Thurman is a bad example of how a Buddhist should be but he is a very GOOD example of how a Buddhist should NOT be! I was shocked at how money minded he is. His retreat center encourages flyfishing activity, he openly wants to pay hackers to attack Dorje Shugden followers' twitter accounts and he befriends sex abuser!
I have never imagined a long time Buddhist practitioner like Robert Thurman can do something like this. No killing is the basic refuge vow a Buddhist has to keep, but why is he encouraging people to kill for leisure? Or he thinks he is already attained so he can bless those fishes that are killed? What have the Dorje Shugden practitioners done to make him want to look for hackers to attack them?
It appears to me that he is very vengeful, just because he and the Dalai Lama choose not to practice Dorje Shugden, so he sees Dorje Shugden followers as his enemies and wants to 'take care' of them? Where is the compassion? His compassion is limited to rich and famous then? He writes books about how to control anger and develop compassion how come he has failed to do that? How credible and reliable is he? He is just a commercial Buddhist, selling Dharma for his indulgence.
That is not the end of the list. Robert Thurman also supports Lamas that sexually abuses their students such as Sogyal Lakar. There are rumours about the bad doings of Sogyal and everyone knows about it. Why Robert Thurman being the "Dalai Lama's man in America" did not investigate and stop that evil lama? Why did he openly support Sogyal and take pictures with him? He is only interested in the fame and money that Sogyal and bring him.
That is the main reason why Robert Thurman did not expose his best buddy Sogyal Lakar. He might even get benefits from Sogyal because Sogyal often sends his student to give sexual favours to other lamas. That is why Robert Thurman here did not say anything about the heinous crimes of Sogyal. This is truly shocking because Robert Thurman's daughter, Uma Thurman is a sexual abuse victim herself.
She has been speaking up against her sexual abuser in the recent MeToo movement which empowers sexually abused victims to expose their abuser. What would Uma think and feel if she finds out that her father is one of those sexual abuser that she dislikes alot. I guess Robert Thurman does not really care about how her daughter feels because to him, fame and money is above everything.
Wow, the list of Robert Thurman's crime is getting longer and longer. He has practiced Dharma for the past 50 years or so, he must have a lot of knowledge. So what he has really is the knowledge but he does not practice the Dharma sincerely.
He is quite political, but I think it is only natural. Since the Dalai Lama is still pretty much controlled by the CTA, he has to be in good relationship with the CTA too. The CTA uses him to influence the people in the west while he gets money and endorsement from the Dalai Lama for his fame and money. If he is not money minded, he won't have encouraged people to join flyfishing activity after a meditation program.
Now he also associates himself with some sexual abusers. He loves that because these lamas have a wide network and they have the money. Some of them before the scandal was exposed was very famous so Robert Thurman wants to ride on their fame to increase his too. He is a commercial Buddhist, he sells Dharma for money. He sure will suffer in the future.
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Robert Thurman is a failure. He has no skills of his own and have been leeching off famous people, especially the Dalai Lama, and has been using their fame and power to achieve what they want in life. He is a very good friend of Sogyal Lakar, the sex predator who founded Rigpa and now on the run in Thailand facing lawsuits for the abuse he has done onto his students. Sogyal Lakar was the CTA lover boy who brings them lots of monetary support where the Dalai Lama was sent to take many pictures with him.
Bob also has a Medicine Buddha centre that promoted fly fishing and the killing of endangered animals. Bob's pet boy Justin Stone-Diaz even justified that by saying the Buddha was not a vegetarian. Like-minded people attract each other as usual.
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People who know Thurman personally says he is a very angry person. Extremely unfulfilled. Needs tremendous affirmation hence he is always in the shadow of the Dalai Lama. Adding to that is he is a narcissist in the medical sense of the term. Thurman does not behave, speak, interact like a Buddhist practitioner. He is very rough, rude and obnoxious.
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From the years of being in Columbia University, from the years of supposedly 'researching' on Buddhism, Thurman continues to be angry, lustful and greedy. Buddhism to him is not a method to heal his issues but a tool for him to use to police others of their behavioural issues. Although he managed to leech off the Dalai Lama and got himself a professor position, a Tibet House and a Menla Dewa Spa, he is still very unhappy and arrogantly thinks he entitles to more. The sense of entitlement is so strong that he thought he should be the Dalai Lama instead. He thinks he deserves to be the Dalai Lama and he is more capable than the Dalai Lama.
To make things worst, him losing his eye made him even more insecure about himself and that increase the level of his anger. Thurman also hires the Anonymous group on Twitter and offered more than $16k to target Dorje Shugden people online. He is a very bad example of a Buddhist and a shame of the Dalai Lama who is the icon of peace, love, kindness and compassion.
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I think someone has to write a book with the title such as, "What not to do as a Buddhist", "You know you are a fake Buddhist when...". In this book, we can use Robert Thurman, Carol, the ex-Stasi monk - Tenzin Peljor as the examples to demonstrate to people what a real Buddhist practitioner will not do.
How Robert Thurman gets what he has is definitely from the connection he has with the CTA and the Dalai Lama. I have read some researchers commented that Robert Thurman is biased when citing Robert Thurman's works. This shows how credible and reliable Robert Thurman is in his field.
There is no doubt that Robert Thurman did try to hire hackers to attack Dorje Shugden followers. Now he says he did not. He is lying, he has broken the refuge vows, what kind of Buddhist is he? He is just using the Buddhist label to make himself looks good.
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I guess Robert Thurman never really reads the book he wrote. He has written a book called Love your Enemies but how come he does not love his enemies and he wanted to hire hackers to attack them? He is such a hypocrite who says one thing and does another.
Obviously, he is only after the money, he is not interested to practice Dharma or spread Dharma. He wants to be in the Dalai Lama's good book so he can get endorsements from the Dalai Lama for his books and himself so he can make money. Without the Dalai Lama, no one will buy Robert Thurman's books or listen to him.
A real Buddhist will not encourage killing but Robert Thurman actually enjoys killing. He wants the participants of his meditation program in Menla Spa to go for fly-fishing activity. How ironic is that? First, they teach people to generate compassion, next they encourage the participants to enjoy the fly-fishing activity.
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I guess Robert Thurman never really reads the book he wrote. He has written a book called Love your Enemies but how come he does not love his enemies and he wanted to hire hackers to attack them? He is such a hypocrite who says one thing and does another.
Obviously, he is only after the money, he is not interested to practice Dharma or spread Dharma. He wants to be in the Dalai Lama's good book so he can get endorsements from the Dalai Lama for his books and himself so he can make money. Without the Dalai Lama, no one will buy Robert Thurman's books or listen to him.
A real Buddhist will not encourage killing but Robert Thurman actually enjoys killing. He wants the participants of his meditation program in Menla Spa to go for fly-fishing activity. How ironic is that? First, they teach people to generate compassion, next they encourage the participants to enjoy the fly-fishing activity.
It is obvious that Robert Thurman wrote the book out of the motivation of getting money and not spreading the Dharma to liberate others. How can the author of "Love your enemies" hire trolls on Twitter to attack his enemies with harsh speech and racist comments? He does not mean what he says and he is just using Dharma to get money.
He has been studying Dharma for so long and he is a professor as well. He should know his stuff and knows clearly that what he did is not very nice. It is not the Buddhist way of dealing with enemies. On top of that, he should also know that committing killing will create a lot of negative karma but he still promotes fly fishing in his Buddhist spa in Catskills.
He did it for business and from his action, we can see that he is selling the Dharma for money. What kind of Buddhist professor promotes killing? That is against what he is teaching. Whatever he teaches is just fake words try to get money from sponsors.