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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: aboutthetruth on June 12, 2018, 01:51:46 AM
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I knew Robert Thurman was exploitative but I didn't realise this is how bad it's become. Is he so out of touch with the world and what's considered acceptable these days, he will try to ride a publicity wave and make use of someone's suicide to promote the Tibetan cause? Jesus. They haven't even held Anthony Bourdain's funeral yet but somehow Thurman finds one mention of "Lhasa" in article.
40 over years of leeching off the Dalai Lama to sell books will make you think anything's a valid excuse and method of promoting a Free Tibet :-\
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This is very bad to exploit people in this context. Tibet House US and Robert Thurman should really be much more considerate and respectful of others loss and grief!
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This is so true.
Bob Thurman should not leverage on a death of a celebrity to further his cause.
It is almost embarrassing as a reknown academic, he would resort to such second rate measures to highlight a cause he fights for.
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Good lord! Does Thruman have nothing better to do like meditate, or write another book or just play grandpa?
He should not be on Twitter, he should be teaching and nurturing students on Buddhism if he really is a good Buddhist Professor/expert. First, he uses Twitter to ask hackers to help him attack Shugden people, and then he uses Twitter to discriminate Shugden people and now he's using a death of a famous celebrity chef to promote Tibet cause? Disgusting old man. This is why Dome Geshe Rinpoche did not give him sogtae. He would have broken the vows the moment he decided to play politics together with CTA.
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He further reinforced his disgusting behaviours by quoting the tweet from Tibet House and used it again to promote Menla Spa that his wife Nena Thurman runs, fully using the celebrity's suicide and ride the publicity wave to the fullest. You wouldn't expect a Buddhist Professor to behave like this but Thurman has shown otherwise. If he is not leeching off His Holiness, he wouldn't have all he has. Some leeches know where to suck the yummy blood, especially a seasoned on.
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Justin Stone-Diaz is Robert (Bob) Thurman's close students who manage his podcast and his online works. He was found attacking Indy Hack at Menla: the so-called world-class spa founded by Thurman and manages by his wife while Thurman was happily preaching his Buddhism to people who paid to attend his session. How holy is that?
Thurman is obnoxious in attacking Shugden practitioners, Chinese, Malaysians and His Eminence Tsem Tulku Rinpoche on Twitter as you can see from some of the screenshots below. Both Thurman and Justin Stone-Diaz are the biggest cyber bully you would ever come across. They spew hate speech and spread baseless claims without proof while openly approach the Anonymous Group of hackers to hack into the computer of people Thurman hates.
There you go, a supposedly eminent professor emeritus of Buddhist studies, the so-called Dalai Lama's man in the US, Bob Thurman is angersome, arrogant and ignorant about the Dorje Shugden controversy. All he does is to make sure he is always in His Holiness the Dalai Lama's good book so his businesses, his books, his charitable organisation can earn a lot of money and garner donations for him to hire hackers and trolls to attack Shugden followers.
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Very sad... Robert Thurman is putting himself to shame and putting Dalai Lama to shame as well.
How is it possible that a Buddhist professor who is a so-called expert in Buddhist behave in such a low, childish, narrow-minded way? How could he go even dare ask anonymous hackers if they could help him attack Shugden websites? How could he discriminate and attack Shugden people and go out there teach compassion and to love everyone like they are your mothers? Disgusting old man. Should just be quiet, act with dignity and behave like someone who did practice some dharma and never discriminate, criticise or condemn anyone for their religious beliefs. That is so wrong for a Buddhist practitioner let alone a "Professor"!
So Thurman shouldn't you think that all Shugden people are also your mothers? So why the double standards here? Look even the anonymous people have more sense and dignity than you. Hence, they rejected your stupid request. You've just labelled yourself to be a cybercriminal, who knows who else you have successfully solicited to be trolls on the internet to attack anyone who is a Shugden practitioners especially Shugden lamas. If anything happens to these Lamas, I know you'll be my first suspect of potential criminal mastermind, together with your CTA shorty friend Dhardon Sharling!
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Seriously, just when you think Bob could not get any lower, he finds a new low to descend to and capitalises on a celebrity’s death.
Then again, on second thought, it is hardly surprising that Bob would do so since he clearly has no qualms capitalising on the death of Tibetans to further his agenda. Just look at how he glorifies self-immolation in his speeches although he pathetically tries to be politically correct.https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=SN&feature=relmfu&hl=fr&v=sotL8DBUIcU] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=SN&feature=relmfu&hl=fr&v=sotL8DBUIcU (http://[url)[/url]; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prNAt36OqY4; (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prNAt36OqY4;)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XEEohjzAZQ; (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XEEohjzAZQ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prNAt36OqY4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prNAt36OqY4)
He is even seen to be laughing! And there was also he even went as far as to promote the “body-immolation” to distance from the stigma of self-immolation. It is ridiculous that a supposed Buddhist professor would say that it is better to use the word body immolation instead of self-immolation on the twisted logic that it better defines the burning of the physical being because self(soul) cannot burn or die instead they reborn again and again until they find the final destination called nirvana. https://www.facebook.com/tenzinsangpo123/videos/1158052370872342/UzpfSTEwMDAwMzIxNDkzMDg5NToxNTgzODQ4ODY4Mzk4OTI5/ (https://www.facebook.com/tenzinsangpo123/videos/1158052370872342/UzpfSTEwMDAwMzIxNDkzMDg5NToxNTgzODQ4ODY4Mzk4OTI5/)
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It really mind boggling for me that a Buddhist professor would promote Self-immolation to younger Tibetans and Buddhist, it almost sounds like he is advocating a Tibetan Buddhist Jihad.
As from the start of the immolations till the current times, none of the immolations have brought about any benefit whatsoever. Quite disturbing that a professor of Buddhism advocates suicides that bring about no results at all.
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Seriously, just when you think Bob could not get any lower, he finds a new low to descend to and capitalises on a celebrity’s death.
Then again, on second thought, it is hardly surprising that Bob would do so since he clearly has no qualms capitalising on the death of Tibetans to further his agenda. Just look at how he glorifies self-immolation in his speeches although he pathetically tries to be politically correct. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=SN&feature=relmfu&hl=fr&v=sotL8DBUIcU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=SN&feature=relmfu&hl=fr&v=sotL8DBUIcU] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=SN&feature=relmfu&hl=fr&v=sotL8DBUIcU (http://[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=SN&feature=relmfu&hl=fr&v=sotL8DBUIcU)[/url]; [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prNAt36OqY4;[/url] ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prNAt36OqY4;[/url])https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XEEohjzAZQ; ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XEEohjzAZQ;[/url]) [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prNAt36OqY4[/url] ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prNAt36OqY4[/url])
He is even seen to be laughing! And there was also he even went as far as to promote the “body-immolation” to distance from the stigma of self-immolation. It is ridiculous that a supposed Buddhist professor would say that it is better to use the word body immolation instead of self-immolation on the twisted logic that it better defines the burning of the physical being because self(soul) cannot burn or die instead they reborn again and again until they find the final destination called nirvana. [url]https://www.facebook.com/tenzinsangpo123/videos/1158052370872342/UzpfSTEwMDAwMzIxNDkzMDg5NToxNTgzODQ4ODY4Mzk4OTI5/[/url] ([url]https://www.facebook.com/tenzinsangpo123/videos/1158052370872342/UzpfSTEwMDAwMzIxNDkzMDg5NToxNTgzODQ4ODY4Mzk4OTI5/[/url])
I bet Bob Thurman gave the idea to Lobsang Sangay to publish the "Self-immolation for Dummy" booklet that is widely distributed within Tibet and encourage Tibetans to kill themselves. As he is the president of Tibet House, all they do is to find opportunities to spread fake news while repeating the Chinese rhetoric like a broken radio to brainwash naive Westerners into their propaganda. Then again, Sangay is very good at ideas like this, those that take advantages of others but benefit him, he is known to be extremely corrupted and is highly schismatic. His so-called fight for the Tibet Cause is to make everyone goes against China so he can continue to play to victim refugee card so donations can continue to come for him to corrupt. It has always been money and selfish agenda for him. Bob Thurman is the same, he leeches on the Dalai Lama and uses His Holiness' fame for his books to sell and his business to flourish. It is about who you know at the end of the day. Lobsang Sangay knows this very well. People entertained him because they believe in the Dalai Lama. Otherwise, who would bother to do anything with him?
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He is even seen to be laughing! And there was also he even went as far as to promote the “body-immolation” to distance from the stigma of self-immolation. It is ridiculous that a supposed Buddhist professor would say that it is better to use the word body immolation instead of self-immolation on the twisted logic that it better defines the burning of the physical being because self(soul) cannot burn or die instead they reborn again and again until they find the final destination called nirvana.
That is just so disgusting! Oh my goodness he of all person, a so-called Buddhist "Professor" / "expert" should know that taking one's own life for whatever the reason is against Buddhist principles and would create the causes for one to be born in the lower realms again and again - especially with those who die with anger and hatred.
Killing oneself is considered to carry the same negative karma as destroying the life of someone else. So how can Bob actually support this?
Perhaps these Tibetans got the idea from the famous monk in Vietnam who set himself on fire in a peaceful protest against the South Vietnamese government. But you see this monk did with honour and grace and he sat in lotus position as he was burning. And they did it only ONCE. Although it is still killing and negative karma, but when you see Tibetans doing it, you feel it is out of anger and when they do it so often, it becomes no big deal, the whole world is no longer watching or caring much. Only the Tibetans themselves are making it into a big deal these days. The impact is really lost.
So what on earth is this crazy Bob Thurman saying? He is really off and nuts to even suggest correcting the label! He should really be ashamed of himself, for being part of the group that encourages people to kill themselves and go to the lower realms. Good job Thurman for sending Tibetans to hell!
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Why did Robert Thurman suddenly become so aggressive attacking Dorje Shugden practitioners? Is it because the truth about Dorje Shugden will be revealed soon and CTA is putting pressure on him to do something since he has been receiving so much money from CTA?
His greed is going to cost him his reputation and credibility as a professor and expert in Tibetan Buddhism. He preaches about peace and compassion but yet he exhibits so much hatred towards the Dorje Shugden practitioners, I won't want to spend money to buy his books or attend his meditation class if he is the result of his products. If he continues to do that, his karma will come back to him. Unless he thinks the Dalai Lama can take away his negative karma and bring him to enlightenment.
Robert Thurman is not making any sense, he should just go into a retreat and shut up, it will be better for him.
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Why did Robert Thurman suddenly become so aggressive attacking Dorje Shugden practitioners? Is it because the truth about Dorje Shugden will be revealed soon and CTA is putting pressure on him to do something since he has been receiving so much money from CTA?
His greed is going to cost him his reputation and credibility as a professor and expert in Tibetan Buddhism. He preaches about peace and compassion but yet he exhibits so much hatred towards the Dorje Shugden practitioners, I won't want to spend money to buy his books or attend his meditation class if he is the result of his products. If he continues to do that, his karma will come back to him. Unless he thinks the Dalai Lama can take away his negative karma and bring him to enlightenment.
Robert Thurman is not making any sense, he should just go into a retreat and shut up, it will be better for him.
Well, he has retired and no longer a 'professor'. Thank goodness for the students at Columbia University, one less idiot to pollute their mind! Robert Thurman is a businessman and a greedy one. He also would like to the Dalai Lama because he desires the power and wealth the Dalai Lama has. Since he doesn't have the spiritual attainment and wisdom, the next best thing is to be on the Dalai Lama's good book by doing what he thought His Holiness like - discriminate Dorje Shugden people. You know Domo Geshe Rinpoche rejected his request for a sogtae for the obvious reasons. He howled like a baby and now take it on the Shugden people by attacking them with his troll army. He also attempted to hire the Anonymous group of hackers to do so. This is the so-called man in the America of the Dalai Lama, sadly.
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Why did Robert Thurman suddenly become so aggressive attacking Dorje Shugden practitioners? Is it because the truth about Dorje Shugden will be revealed soon and CTA is putting pressure on him to do something since he has been receiving so much money from CTA?
His greed is going to cost him his reputation and credibility as a professor and expert in Tibetan Buddhism. He preaches about peace and compassion but yet he exhibits so much hatred towards the Dorje Shugden practitioners, I won't want to spend money to buy his books or attend his meditation class if he is the result of his products. If he continues to do that, his karma will come back to him. Unless he thinks the Dalai Lama can take away his negative karma and bring him to enlightenment.
Robert Thurman is not making any sense, he should just go into a retreat and shut up, it will be better for him.
Actually, Professor Robert Thurman did not suddenly become aggressive. He started attacking Shugden practitioners years ago, especially when the protest against the Dalai Lama started by Western Shugden Society. And about finding hackers, that wasn't recent, it was years ago too! You should read and watch this, how rude he was to the nun who was trying to ask him some questions and he snapped back... imagine everyone’s surprise then, when he retorted to nun Kelsang Pema of the Western Shugden Society, “You should be ashamed of yourself,” as she first approached him >>> http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/robert-thurman-meets-kelsang-pema/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/robert-thurman-meets-kelsang-pema/)
Kelsang Pema asked him what proof he had to make statements like these to which he answered, “You use the same terminology as the Chinese like ‘fuedalism’ and ‘theocracy’.” Is this how a respected writer, scholar and academic of Buddhism, and a former monk, speaks to a nun or to any fellow Buddhist practitioner?
Well, it just shows that he does not really practice Buddhism because if he does, he will not be taking sides and causing divisions, anger and hatred amongst Buddhist. What kind of Buddhist teacher is that? On top of that he has the nerve to talk about "building common grounds"? What a hypocrite! He really should just go on retreat and shut up already!
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We have to remember that Robert Thurman always links the Tibet House US with his own business Menla Dewa Spa. It is not clear now whether it is the spa that is supporting Tibet House US or vice versa. What is amazing, on the one hand, he always draws a close relationship between Menla Dewa Spa and the practice of Buddhism. On the other hand, he encourages the visitors to Menla Dewa Spa to do fly fishing.
He is one Buddhist professor.
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Real Dharma teachers or practitioners don't have to associate themselves with anyone to spread Dharma or to benefit people. Robert Thurman knows very well he doesn't really have the quality to attract students or followers. Therefore, he has to be close to the Dalai Lama. The public has the perception that if you are close to the Dalai Lama, you must be a qualified Buddhist master. That is how he becomes qualified as a teacher/expert.
To make his organisation more credible and prestigious, he also associates the Tibet House US and his own business Menla Spa with the Dalai Lama. He will do whatever it takes to make himself wealthier, even if it means openly attacking Dorje Shugden followers. He didn't realise what he is doing is very un-Buddhist and he is ruining his own reputation.
It is really ironic, he wrote a book called Love Your Enemies, it talks about how to replace anger with patience, and the practice of exchanging self-preoccupation for compassion but yet he was so un-compassionate towards Dorje Shugden followers, and there was so much anger in him. Is he not a hypocrite? He is such a goody goody man in front of the public but actually, he is full of anger. Please think twice about going to his meditation program, you might become angrier than finding peace in you.
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It really mind boggling for me that a Buddhist professor would promote Self-immolation to younger Tibetans and Buddhist, it almost sounds like he is advocating a Tibetan Buddhist Jihad.
As from the start of the immolations till the current times, none of the immolations have brought about any benefit whatsoever. Quite disturbing that a professor of Buddhism advocates suicides that bring about no results at all.
When he promoted self-immolation, he was smiling and enjoying it. Seriously, we are talking about people's lives here but he didn't even bother to pretend to be serious at that moment. There are so many prominent Buddhist scholars out there, none of them involved in the CTA politics and the unlawful ban of Shugden practice. He is the only one selling it like hot cakes, hire trolls online to attack them and do all he can to be on the Dalai Lama's good book. The logic is simple, his scholarship is fake and he needed the Dalai Lama to sell his books and programmes. Because of this, he goes all the way to hurt Shugden people and work with CTA to attack them. What a bunch of immature lunatics!
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Robert Thurman is really a disgusting person. How can he talked about self-immolation with such a light and fun tone. It's definitely not something that should be talked about so lightly or even made a joke out it. Can you imagine what will the parents of those poor souls who self-immolated themselves feel? He is just exactly the same as CTA who glorifies the act. They made those self-immolators look like a national hero which subconsciously telling their people that it is good for u to light yourself on fire and die for the country. What kind of Buddhist Professor is he? He promotes killing and torturing in animals as well.
He owns a spa called Menla which his lackey JustinStoned promotes flyfishing on their official Twitter account to get more business. What happened to compassion and kindness that Buddhism preaches? He has no consciences to use that as a tool to get more business. All he cares for is money and fame and that is why he sticks to H.H Dalai Lama like a bee to honey. He goes around attacking those who do not agree to H.H Dalai Lama's way such as the Shugden Buddhists. He hurls hate speech and racist remarks at them to stop them from telling the truth.
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One thing for sure, this promotion of fly fishing has not brought more customers to Menla. People who kill will never be interested in doing anything with meditation retreat with Menla, obviously. Thurman and his idiot staff Justin Stone-Diaz tapped into the wrong market and did a disastrous PR for Menla just for the little commision they thought they can get from Esopus Creel. It backfires and now everyone knows Menla promotes killing that is against the fundamental teachings of the Buddha.
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This killing encouraging workshop in Menla is really horrendous! I hope that people can see that those behind this organisation have nothing to do with Buddhism as they are openly going again the Buddhist refuge vow of not killing!
I mean who will come up with promoting the complete opposite of what you should do? You really have to be completely disregarding your teacher or teachers and only care about yourself and your business. Why do they still hold spiritual workshops and try to look as if you would care??
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It should be clear by now that Robert Thurman is using dharma for his business. His favourite boy Justin Stone-Diaz even tweeted to say that there is nothing wrong to fish because the Buddha himself ate meat. He even said Buddha's last meal was some meat dish. This is a clear sign that both Thurman and Stone-Diaz have no respect for the Buddha or His teachings. What they are interested in is how to exploit the dharma for their personal gains.
There's is no real spirituality that takes place at Menla too! All activities and programs there are for people who only want to feel good for a few days without efforts to transform or change their negative habits. This is why you see them do yoga, massage, exercise that focus on looking good on the outside, which again is against the fundamental teachings of the Buddha to detach our body - the biggest traitor of our life!
This killing encouraging workshop in Menla is really horrendous! I hope that people can see that those behind this organisation have nothing to do with Buddhism as they are openly going again the Buddhist refuge vow of not killing!
I mean who will come up with promoting the complete opposite of what you should do? You really have to be completely disregarding your teacher or teachers and only care about yourself and your business. Why do they still hold spiritual workshops and try to look as if you would care??
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We have to remember that Robert Thurman always links the Tibet House US with his own business Menla Dewa Spa. It is not clear now whether it is the spa that is supporting Tibet House US or vice versa. What is amazing, on the one hand, he always draws a close relationship between Menla Dewa Spa and the practice of Buddhism. On the other hand, he encourages the visitors to Menla Dewa Spa to do fly fishing.
He is one Buddhist professor.
The following is the evidence of how Bob Thurman try to link his spa business with the Tibet Cause
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It is so embarrassing for Thurman, the man of the Dalai Lama in US. He is obviously only peripherally interested in Buddhism - my guess: to be close to the Dalai Lama and by doing so attracting more people to buy his books and - to get more business for Dewa Menla Spa and TibetHouse US. As Michaela shared, Thurman also encourages the killing of animals for sport and fun in his centres, what the heck!!.
He has really no scruple and makes anything for money.
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Robert Thurman and his anti-China rhetoric, pathetic and outdated. Anything he didn't like, it is fake news. Washington Post now delivers fake news because they have published a negative news about the Dalai Lama. He cannot accept fact because it is negative. It is clear to us now that the biggest contribution of the Dalai Lama's man in the US for the dying Tibet cause is to troll Shugden people, promote killing endangered species, associated with Tibetan lamas who sexually abuse their students and sings his anti-China rhetoric. These tricks help he sells his books and maintain his Menla Dewa Spa and Tibet House US.
Robert Thurman is nothing but a greedy and selfish businessman who sell dharma for his own comfort and enjoyment in addition to all the negative actions he does to garner limelight and fame. Buddhism dies because of people like him!
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If Robert Thurman is a real Buddhist, a spiritual person, he should not get involved in the politics. I am surprised to see his tweets. It is full of anger and very political.
Is he an activist or what? He keeps condemning China and put China down. He has set a very bad example for people who wants to practice to become and real Buddhist. A spiritual person will not make baseless accusations, what proof does he have to say China is spreading the fake news?
If he represents the Dalai Lama in the west, he should always promote peace and harmony. What he is doing is creating tension and conflict, he is not trying to bring harmony. I am quite disappointed with him. I think he is not qualified to call an expert in Tibetan Buddhism, he is just an opportunist.
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Robert Thurman and his anti-China rhetoric, pathetic and outdated. Anything he didn't like, it is fake news. Washington Post now delivers fake news because they have published a negative news about the Dalai Lama. He cannot accept fact because it is negative. It is clear to us now that the biggest contribution of the Dalai Lama's man in the US for the dying Tibet cause is to troll Shugden people, promote killing endangered species, associated with Tibetan lamas who sexually abuse their students and sings his anti-China rhetoric. These tricks help he sells his books and maintain his Menla Dewa Spa and Tibet House US.
Robert Thurman is nothing but a greedy and selfish businessman who sell dharma for his own comfort and enjoyment in addition to all the negative actions he does to garner limelight and fame. Buddhism dies because of people like him!
You are right, Robert Thurman is not a very logical person. If he gets upset with the things he doesn't like, he will tweet about it with anger. Did he have bad experience with China before? Why he is so angry with China?
I think like the CTA, he has received some money from some politicians to undermine China. It looks like his job is to spread hatred. It is so ironic, he always tweets about his talk on compassion and love and then at the same time he tweets negative things about China with anger.
It seems like Robert Thurman should go to an anger management class, he cannot be the facilitator though because he cannot control his anger. I wonder what he meditates every day? Compassion and love or hatred? People who register to his class should think twice, the world will not become better with more Buddhists like him.