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Title: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: PrajNa on June 06, 2018, 04:30:29 PM
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The latest article on DorjeShugden.com is very enlightening. It gives a brief summary of the whole controversy and the proof of the ban, and I am especially thankful for the section "The Dalai Lama Ten Years Ago".  This section highlights the video of the Dalai Lama speaking at a teaching in January 2008, which was the catalyst for the escalation of the Dorje Shugden ban. I've included the video and introduction to the video below.

The transcripts and excellent explanation give more insight into what the underlying messages were for those who are not familiar with Tibetan way of speaking, highlighting the implication, insinuation, as well as connotation and nuance that may not be obvious in His Holiness' speech. So much was uncovered for this one video alone.

The article also covers other relevant development and videos regarding the ban. A must read. I highly recommend for everyone to read and share the article. What do you think of the article?


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The Dalai Lama Ten Years Ago

To better understand the seriousness of the Dorje Shugden ban and its effects, we need to travel back to 2008, a crucial year of events that informed and shaped the mindset of Tibetans both in China-controlled territories and in all 24 Tibetan settlements in India; of Tibetan Buddhists residing everywhere in the world, and the regional politics of Tibet, India and China.

This video of the Dalai Lama speaking at a teaching in January 2008 has been identified as being the catalyst for the escalation of the Dorje Shugden ban.The points that were raised by the Dalai Lama became the narrative held by pro-Dalai Lama groups and the fuel for their anti-Dorje Shugden hate speech as we know it today.

This speech at Drepung Loseling Monastery was attended by the presiding abbots of the most influential monasteries – Ganden Shartse, Ganden Jangtse, Sera Mey, Sera Jey, Drepung Loseling, Drepung Gomang, Ratö and Tashi Lhunpo Monasteries along with their sponsors and patrons. The Dalai Lama’s teachings also coincided with several formal government functions, making it probable that top officials of the Tibetan Government-in-exile such as the Justice Commissioner, Speaker of the Tibetan Parliament-in-Exile, the then-Kalon Tripa (Prime Minister) Samdhong Rinpoche and other ecclesiastical heads were also in attendance.

It is also important to remember that at the time the Dalai Lama gave this speech in Drepung Loseling Monastery in 2008, he was still the secular leader of the Tibetan people and had yet to relinquish his political power.

Full article here: [url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/dalai-lama-speaks-what-you-wouldnt-know-if-youre-not-tibetan/[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/dalai-lama-speaks-what-you-wouldnt-know-if-youre-not-tibetan/[/url])



Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Rowntree on June 06, 2018, 08:02:05 PM
The reason that the ban has lasted over 20 years was that the Westerners have all failed to see the underlying messages in His Holiness' authoritative words that are nothing but a command for Dorje Shugden people to be ostracised. His Holiness is very skilfull in his speech where he used words like the referendum and his oft-used tactic of giggling in order to divert the attention from his main message. This has been the tactic His Holiness uses regardless of his audience that 'earns' him the 'politically correct' label that the Indians, in particular, will agree upon. They have seen it long enough to know.

The Tibetan Leadership, especially Lobsang Sangay, tried very hard to learn His Holiness' manipulative skills in their speech. Sangay himself must be quite successful since he has been able to manipulate many politicians into giving him sympathetic money supposedly used for the Tibet Cause. However, what is pathetic is that he lacked His Holiness' charisma and authority to drive millions into what he wanted. The CTA has gone downhill since Sangay becomes the Sikyong because he has been focusing on manipulative speech instead of really doing the work that benefits the cause and the Tibetan refugees in India. So he is the R...R...R who is also known as a pervert and lustful greedy politician, errr 'lawyer'. He knows nothing about politic and has caused Tibetan refugees in exile stuck without a citizenship.

In addition to that, he has further imposed the Dorje Shugden ban with the generous donations from the public meant for the cause. We all know that the failure of the Tibetan Cause has nothing to do with Dorje Shugden and many people are starting to see through that now. Dorje Shugden has been a scapegoat for the failure of the Tibetan leadership in achieving anything in the past 60 years. Hence, still stuck in India creating more problems for the Indians in their efforts to building the Sino-Indian relationship. One recent example being during the Doklam standoff, Sangay unfurled the Tibetan flag near Pangong Tso border in Ladakh and increased the tensions between China and India. After being caught doing so, he asked his close friend Dhardon Sharling to deny the fact, as Dhardon Sharling is well known for giving Sangay lots of favours to get where she is. Contrary to her statement, Mr Sonam Norbu Dagpo, spokesperson of the CTA had confirmed twice that was the first time the Tibet flag had been unfurled by Sangay at that important location cited as saying the hoisting of the flag had “political and personal significance” for Sangay.

Coming back to the article, His Holiness has chosen Drepung Loseling to have the event and the speech most likely due to the monastery's reputation in public relations, especially in handling the Tibetan leadership and their wishes. They are very gung-ho in supporting the ban of Dorje Shugden practice and even printed materials in their very own printing house for free distribution. Setrap was very unhappy with them and knocked down one of the monastery's victory banner which was a HUGE embarrassment for the abbot at that time. Here are the post and discussion of the events http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/drepung-shugden-dramas/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/drepung-shugden-dramas/) and http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1659.0. (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1659.0.)

Looking at His Holiness' speech, Sangay's conduct and Loseling's focus, it is hard for anyone to have faith in religion especially in this kaliyuga where politics and secular agendas are often carried out in the name of religion. The pure and serene Shangri-la image potrayed by the Western media is a fraud, the people in Tibet are not holy, they are full of faults like you and me.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: kris on June 06, 2018, 08:57:28 PM
What amazed me the most, is how naive are the Tibetans. Everything that the Dalai Lama said, and their Tibetan leaders said, they just believe 100% and don't even want to check and think for themselves if whatever they say, does it make sense.

There are so many cases where, Dalai Lama said bad things about Shugen in front of Tibetans. He shouted to expel the monks and to ban them, but in front of western media, he said there is no ban. In the end, who is suffering? Tibetans Shugden or Westerner Shugden? Of course the people who suffer are Tibetan Shugden people. But Tibetans are so naive. They don't think for themselves, they don't stand up for their own people, and just let their leaders bully them, and in the end, they suffer.

The best part is, the Tibetan ministers, especially those close to Lobsang Sangay, are fully taking advantage of this. They use Dalai Lama's name to give information to Tibetans for their own advantage. All these leaders go to USA and Europe to talk about Free Tibet, and they received millions of dollars every year, but the Tibetans are so naive they never ask their government, "Where did the money go? Why don't they use the money to build hospitals, schools, but use the money to print books to talk bad about Shugden?" Why don't Tibetans ask their government these questions? All these leaders show how poor are the Tibetans (of course normal Tibetans are poor and deserve funding), and when they receive fundings, they kept the money for themselves to buy house in USA and Europe. So, everyday, normal Tibetans are suffering, and their government just use them as excuse to get more money for themselves.

One of the biggest joke is the referendum. What is there to choose, when everyone just have to follow what Dalai Lama said? Referendum is just another trick the Tibetan leaders are happy to carry out to suppress their own people even further. The Tibetans leaders must be extremely happy to hear referendums and they know they can fully abuse their own people. Again, referendums are just to fool westerns that they are practicing democracy, and most westerners just fall for it.

From what I see, there is no way out for the Tibetans if Lobsang Sangay is to continue to hold office. Lobsang will use all his power to make Tibetans as naive or as stupid as possible. Unless something drastically happen, that Tibetans suddenly realised they have been abused for all these years. I hope the Tibetans can wake up one day, because they are the ones who are suffering, not their so called leaders.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: dsnowlion on June 06, 2018, 09:31:32 PM
This is a brilliant post uncovering the real truth and message behind His Holiness's speech on the Dorje Shugden issue. Yes indeed His Holiness's speech has two different meanings that suit two different crowds and while the Western society would see it as mere just an "advice", the Tibetans know it is not so. There is no freedom of choice here, whatever the Dalai Lama says goes, it is an instruction that must be followed without question!

There are many jargons and sayings used in the Dalai Lama's speech that clearly states to segregate Dorje Shugden practitioners from the rest. Example, “separation of moustache and mouth”, I think the time has come to do just that, is a clear statement to Tibetans that they must be separated as Dorje Shugden people are NOT the same. The only thing that makes us different is our wish to continue practising the practice our Lama gave us, and for that, we are ostracised. So where is the democracy in all of this? Nowhere, for Tibetans have been ruled by a totalitarian regime and Sangay is just another puppet for the greatest showman on earth. And the thanks to the most gullible audience, sorry to say this, but those who are not Tibetans, not knowing the hidden message behind the Dalai Lama, continues to applause the so-called Noble Peace Prize winner when there is nothing noble in his speech against Dorje Shugden practice and practitioners.

What is worst is that millions of funds are donated without knowledge that it is being channelled into projects that actually harm and hurt people - especially the Tibetan exile people as they are the closest and the first to receive the blow. Such projects include printing materials against Dorje Shugden, making videos about and against Dorje Shugden, printed thousands of books that talk against Dorje Shugden practice. They would even hire people to attack Shugden practitioners online, the same way they gave out instructions to attack Shugden practitioners just outside Gaden Monastery.

How is all of this considered okay and why is all of this not considered a breach of human rights? Simple, His Holiness the Dalai Lama has been the media darling of the West and because of this, many have overlooked this subject. Believing, trusting that there could be nothing negative or bad when it comes from the holy Dalai Lama. Well, things are starting to change as we see the Dalai Lama deliberately or not, starting to make blunders and upsetting others, such as Nepalese and Indians, from his insensitive comments, making it difficult for the media not to report such disappointing news. And slowly, opening the eyes of many audiences that the Dalai Lama has many faults, or manifested faults and hence nothing is at it seems. The once holier than thou Dalai Lama is not that holy, definitely not when it comes to his own people and especially those who are Dorje Shugden practitioners. Let's hope more truths will be exposed, as the Dalai Lama manifest more change in his tone - the unexpected u-turns as mentioned in the article. Let's hope!
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: michaela on June 06, 2018, 09:33:25 PM
The article is very important to understand the context of the Dalai Lama's message on Dorje Shugden.

to http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/dalai-lama-speaks-what-you-wouldnt-know-if-youre-not-tibetan/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/dalai-lama-speaks-what-you-wouldnt-know-if-youre-not-tibetan/)

Firstly, to understand the context of the Dalai Lama's message, one needs to be familiar with the Tibetan culture and the Tibetan Buddhist tradition. For outsiders, the Dalai Lama's message on Dorje Shugden may seem like casual advice. However, for Tibetans who regards the Dalai Lama as the manifestation of Buddha of Compassion Chenrezig, his words would carry more weight than just casual advice. Especially for those who have taken refuge vows with the Dalai Lama or regarded the Dalai Lama as their root teacher, the Dalai Lama's words are clearly instructions from the divine.

Secondly, casual advice will not have consequences when it is not followed. But it is not the case with the Dalai Lama's advice on Dorje Shugden. His followers took the initiative to penalize those who choose not to follow the Dalai Lama's advice. Dorje Shugden practitioners were expelled from their monasteries and refused services or entry in public places in India. Even in the online sphere, they are facing various ridiculous accusations such as being Chinese spies or stooges.

Looking at the Tibetan cultural context and the consequences that Dorje Shugden practitioners need to face for their religious choice, it is definitely not an advice, but an instruction.  I hope the CTA will admit that they are discriminating Dorje Shugden practitioners and stop selling false ideas to their western donors for the sake of getting more donation. 
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Celia on June 07, 2018, 01:07:30 PM
This article clearly nailed down the underlying Tibetan psyche when it comes to Dalai Lama which has led to the perpetuation of an unconstitutional religious ban for decades. By the same token, it is also the reason why shockingly there are still those who remain blind to the pain and suffering caused by the Dorje Shugden ban.

Not only that, it is also the driving factor as to why the Tibetan leadership and supporters of the Dalai Lama to (i) outright deny the existence of the ban even when confronted with plentiful evidence and (ii) habitually dismiss the evidence as propaganda fabricated by Shugden practitioners, whom they have branded to be against the Dalai Lama and the so-called Tibetan cause, and even accuse them of being agents or spies of China.

The “skilful” means of the Dalai Lama appearing to be indifferent to people’s position about Dorje Shugden on the surface but then having a different underlying messages for Tibetans is nothing short of amazing. Such underlying messages carry strong weight to turn people against Dorje Shugden done so openly obvious yet those who are not familiar with Tibetan culture or matters will totally be oblivious to such strong cornering of Tibetans by the Dalai Lama.

That being said, whilst the Tibetans have the “excuse” of blind faith or indoctrinated obedience owing to past environmental and historical factors, what is utterly disappointing is the readiness of foreigners particularly from democratic Western countries to immediately side with the Dalai Lama at face value and without much due diligence.

Of course, different partisans would have different reasons for conveniently siding with the Dalai Lama, from those who seek to use Tibet to keep China in check in their political games, to those who seek to ride on the Dalai Lama’s fame for personal gains.

But what is really reprehensible is as a result of such blindness or unwillingness to properly address the Dorje Shugden ban, that millions of aid given in good faith are being used to actually harm and hurt people – when it is used to fund discriminative activities towards people’s religious faith without any basis.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Jushri on June 07, 2018, 06:20:08 PM
This is a great write-up! The first half clearly shows about HHDL speaking about the Shugden ban. Good explanation about the nuances of the Tibetan language. For those who keep saying that there is no ban should watch the video and read the explanation especially about the Tibetan saying "fish and turnip" and "mouth and moustache".

What's important to me is the recognition of the Chinese Panchen Lama by HHDL at the end of the article. After so many years, this recognition could signify the beginning of HHDL's strategy to pave way for him to return to Tibet. It makes more sense to be friends with China than to be against this superpower. Logically, CTA doesn't have any military or economic power to even overthrow a tiny African nation let alone China. Their best bet is to follow HHDL's advice to go for umaylam.

If HHDL can overturn his stance with regards to Panchen Lama, am sure HHDL can do the same for Shugdenpas. CTA and Tibetans have everything to gain by getting Shugdenpas' support to fight for a Free Tibet.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: fruven on June 07, 2018, 07:39:12 PM
The article captures all the details of the video that one would easily missed.

I have heard that Tibetans can be very indirect. It is common for most Asians to speak in such way, it is the norm. One has to read between the lines rather than explicitly stated. The fact that Dalai Lama is both a political and a spiritual head make whatever he said becomes an order that must carried out without question while the advise seems to be optional for the Westerners.

There doesn't seem to be any repercussions if you choose not to follow the advise but for the Tibetans it is very clear. The Tibetans must divide themselves between those who stop praying to Dorje Shugden and those who continue to pray. It is a black and white separation, right and wrong. Since the Dalai Lama has stopped therefore you're in the wrong if you continue to pray to Dorje Shugden. That is how the Tibetans view it. Certainly it is difficult dilemma if you have been praying to deity and were asked to stop.  :(
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on June 07, 2018, 07:44:19 PM
It is amazing to see how the Tibetans can be so ignorant to blindly follow what the Dalai Lama says without thinking deeper about it. Only the older Tibetans will believe such illogical and unbelievable claims. Young and educated Tibetans can easily see through the flaws in the reasoning of the Dorje Shugden ban and their government's true motive of imposing the ban. People are not stupid. The truth will definitely be revealed one day.

There are so much of evidence on the Dorje Shugden ban and people are suffering tremendously. How can a democratic government condemn and segregate its people that practice a particular religion? It is not true democratic at all. CTA is by no means a true democratic government. They are just pretending to be so they can get funding from the other democratic country.

Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: phyag na rlangs pa on June 07, 2018, 07:45:58 PM
The Dalai Lama is very shrewd and he is also very talented. Clearly he plays both Tibetans and Westerners like a Folk or Blues singer with a guitar and harmonica.

Only thing is he's no Bob Dylan and his song is not about fostering peace in the world.

The version of the Dalai Lama in the video in this article is 100% an anti-Bob Dylan

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Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: dsnowlion on June 07, 2018, 10:29:36 PM
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If HHDL can overturn his stance with regards to Panchen Lama, am sure HHDL can do the same for Shugdenpas. CTA and Tibetans have everything to gain by getting Shugdenpas' support to fight for a Free Tibet.

That's precisely it Jushri - you said it! And if the Dalai Lama can lie about his health, blatantly lie, looking straight forward into the camera to say everything is fine, then he can very well blatantly lie about Dorje Shugden and how it is an evil harmful spirit/practice. Another clear evidence handed to us by the Dalai Lama himself. With that, it shows us clearer and clearer, that the ban on Dorje Shugden is nothing but all made up. For what reason is the big question and when will the Dalai Lama end this as so many have suffered for it.

One thing is for sure, we definitely got to see who are the chickens, the hypocrites and the heroes who stood by firmly on their Guru's side and their commitment towards the lineage and the practice.

Second thing is... if and when the Dalai Lama does go back to Tibet --- NO MORE TALKING ABOUT DORJE SHUGDEN IS BAD etc. etc. etc. Do you think China will allow that kind of speech that creates segregation and division in people? Oh no no, that's the end of it. So why is the Dalai Lama begging to return to Tibet now and doing everything he can, even talking to the Rangzens to support his vision/mission? We need to think bigger.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Rowntree on June 08, 2018, 03:09:49 AM
What amazed me the most, is how naive are the Tibetans. Everything that the Dalai Lama said, and their Tibetan leaders said, they just believe 100% and don't even want to check and think for themselves if whatever they say, does it make sense.

There are so many cases where, Dalai Lama said bad things about Shugen in front of Tibetans. He shouted to expel the monks and to ban them, but in front of western media, he said there is no ban. In the end, who is suffering? Tibetans Shugden or Westerner Shugden? Of course the people who suffer are Tibetan Shugden people. But Tibetans are so naive. They don't think for themselves, they don't stand up for their own people, and just let their leaders bully them, and in the end, they suffer.

The best part is, the Tibetan ministers, especially those close to Lobsang Sangay, are fully taking advantage of this. They use Dalai Lama's name to give information to Tibetans for their own advantage. All these leaders go to USA and Europe to talk about Free Tibet, and they received millions of dollars every year, but the Tibetans are so naive they never ask their government, "Where did the money go? Why don't they use the money to build hospitals, schools, but use the money to print books to talk bad about Shugden?" Why don't Tibetans ask their government these questions? All these leaders show how poor are the Tibetans (of course normal Tibetans are poor and deserve funding), and when they receive fundings, they kept the money for themselves to buy house in USA and Europe. So, everyday, normal Tibetans are suffering, and their government just use them as excuse to get more money for themselves.

One of the biggest joke is the referendum. What is there to choose, when everyone just have to follow what Dalai Lama said? Referendum is just another trick the Tibetan leaders are happy to carry out to suppress their own people even further. The Tibetans leaders must be extremely happy to hear referendums and they know they can fully abuse their own people. Again, referendums are just to fool westerns that they are practicing democracy, and most westerners just fall for it.

From what I see, there is no way out for the Tibetans if Lobsang Sangay is to continue to hold office. Lobsang will use all his power to make Tibetans as naive or as stupid as possible. Unless something drastically happen, that Tibetans suddenly realised they have been abused for all these years. I hope the Tibetans can wake up one day, because they are the ones who are suffering, not their so called leaders.

The Tibetans have been ruled under serfdom since the beginning, they are used to the system and sadly to say, the majority are uneducated peasants and farmers who are illiterate and live their life being control by the monarchy. So, they are trained followers without much thoughts of their own. Therefore, it is not a surprise when we see how easily they are being controlled and manipulated. They are not trained to spot injustice but just listen and follow, so they do not see anything wrong in harming others who seem to be going against the ruler. They are being manipulated into thinking if they do not do that, they will suffer. This is their 'logic'.

Because of the long history being controlled under serfdom, the Tibetans will not question where the CTA spend the generous public donations. They dare not do so for they fear they will be punished for doing so. This is the side effects of serfdom that the CTA, especially Lobsang Sangay, is very happy to use to abuse their power. They are basically a bunch of legal mafias who can run around with the CTA money and do what they want. Otherwise, they wouldn't have the US1.5 million scandal being dug out of their dirty laundry. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

His Holiness has given the CTA an opportunity to get away from their crime in the name of the Dorje Shugden ban. Because the CTA has been crying over the ban, diverting attention with the ban, they have been getting away from all their misconducts and corruptions. What we see today, more and more Tibetans, educated ones, have started to voice out their concerns and dare to speak up and protest against the CTA. Although nothing much is happening yet, we do know that what comes around goes around. The paper can never hold the fire for too long. Sooner or later, we will see the downfall and serious consequences landed on the CTA, especially Lobsang Sangay and Dhardon Sharling, and that will be the end of the Tibetan leadership in exile. The time is clicking and their days are numbered for sure!
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on June 08, 2018, 09:24:38 AM

Second thing is... if and when the Dalai Lama does go back to Tibet --- NO MORE TALKING ABOUT DORJE SHUGDEN IS BAD etc. etc. etc. Do you think China will allow that kind of speech that cretes segregation and division in people? Oh no no, that's the end of it. So why is the Dalai Lama begging to return to Tibet now and doing everything he can, even talking to the Rangzens to support his vision/mission? We need to think bigger.

I couldn't agree more. Now that His Holiness already expressed his wish to return to China, soon DS issue will be a no issue because China will definitely will not allow CTA to create havoc and disharmony like how they did in India. Its will be nice to see CTA shut up for once and not creating any problems for other people.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Rowntree on June 09, 2018, 05:31:22 AM
The article captures all the details of the video that one would easily missed.

I have heard that Tibetans can be very indirect. It is common for most Asians to speak in such way, it is the norm. One has to read between the lines rather than explicitly stated. The fact that Dalai Lama is both a political and a spiritual head make whatever he said becomes an order that must carried out without question while the advise seems to be optional for the Westerners.

There doesn't seem to be any repercussions if you choose not to follow the advise but for the Tibetans it is very clear. The Tibetans must divide themselves between those who stop praying to Dorje Shugden and those who continue to pray. It is a black and white separation, right and wrong. Since the Dalai Lama has stopped therefore you're in the wrong if you continue to pray to Dorje Shugden. That is how the Tibetans view it. Certainly it is difficult dilemma if you have been praying to deity and were asked to stop.  :(

I agree with you totally! The message is very easily overlooked when you do not pay attention to the details, even worst if you are not familiar with the Tibetan custom. Just imagine those few sentences have caused millions to suffer for over 2 decades! It also allows the Tibetan leadership to find loopholes and corrupt the generous donations from the US Congress and other people. The truth is, the CTA is very good in playing the victim card and are in control of their not so bright Tibetans who would do self-immolation to bring in more donations for them. Lobsang Sangay even published a "self-immolation for dummies" book to teach his own people how to burn themselves live! I can't find the exact name and publisher now. If anyone knows, please share.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Jushri on June 09, 2018, 04:49:39 PM
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Second thing is... if and when the Dalai Lama does go back to Tibet --- NO MORE TALKING ABOUT DORJE SHUGDEN IS BAD etc. etc. etc. Do you think China will allow that kind of speech that creates segregation and division in people? Oh no no, that's the end of it. So why is the Dalai Lama begging to return to Tibet now and doing everything he can, even talking to the Rangzens to support his vision/mission? We need to think bigger.

HHDL did say he wants to go back to Tibet. This is a move to ensure Tibetans of a place to stay as India is no longer as hospitable as before. Can't blame the Indians. Imagine these 60-year refugees sucking up all of India's resources plus taking all that $$$ from those Free Tibet organisations? Indians are not stupid. They can see what these sly Tibetans are up to.

Here's the article by Guardian where CTA's PM is asking Tibetans to make HHDL's wish to go back to Tibet come true.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/01/pm-in-exile-urges-tibetans-to-make-dalai-lamas-return-a-reality]

BTW, I think for someone who is running a government-in-exile WITHOUT an actual country, Lobsang Sangay sure is ahead of himself calling himself PM. Only countries like China, India, Japan with actual country have Prime Ministers.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: dsnowlion on June 10, 2018, 12:49:12 AM

HHDL did say he wants to go back to Tibet. This is a move to ensure Tibetans of a place to stay as India is no longer as hospitable as before. Can't blame the Indians. Imagine these 60-year refugees sucking up all of India's resources plus taking all that $$$ from those Free Tibet organisations? Indians are not stupid. They can see what these sly Tibetans are up to.

Here's the article by Guardian where CTA's PM is asking Tibetans to make HHDL's wish to go back to Tibet come true.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/01/pm-in-exile-urges-tibetans-to-make-dalai-lamas-return-a-reality]

BTW, I think for someone who is running a government-in-exile WITHOUT an actual country, Lobsang Sangay sure is ahead of himself calling himself PM. Only countries like China, India, Japan with actual country have Prime Ministers.

Oh no no, he is not calling himself PM, that useless Sangay is calling himself "PRESIDENT". You didn't know? He changed the title HIMSELF. Can you imagine the nerve... yeah President to no land, no country and soon no people. He is disgusting with all his sexual scandals, why do you think that unqualified shorty Dhardon got her job. Put 2 and 2 together and go figure. The whole Tibetan exile community knows, nothing new. And what about that 1.5million he took to buy a useless office in DC. He did not even have to move office, not like they were expanding, and we're to proof, but he happily to revenge and fired his rival Penpa that cause a huge uproar and more division.

It seems like ever since he became Sikyong/PM/President whatever you wanna call it, Tibetans in exile and Tibetans in general's reputation and fate has gone downhill. Not only no one recognises him as the secular head, countries are closing their doors and budget for their Tibet Cause. I really do not see them lasting long, I personally think once the Dalai Lama returns to Tibet, they will be dissolved, that's the most natural thing to happen. So this is why whatever the CTA does is always contradictory to what His Holiness is saying. In front of the Dalai Lama is yes yes yes we'll follow your Umaylam but behind they do everything the opposite. How not to irritate China? This time Dalai Lama does not have long and if he does not get to return to Tibet and passes away in exile, you'll know who's fault is it and it ain't Dorje Shugden's. Don't blame it on Shugden. What do you think? Will CTA last and what will happen when the Dalai Lama returns to Tibet?
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: pemachen on June 10, 2018, 01:54:19 AM
Tibetans are just using whatever means they can for their own advantage or benefits, especially this Sikyong, who's just trying to get whatever he can before the Central Tibetan Administration collapses. The term President is actually illegal.

In April 2016, the exile Tibetan administration made the announcement on its official website tibet.net that “when the term ‘sikyong’ is to be translated into English it should be written as “president”, and that has been used up to the present day. The CTA kept insisting that the usage of “President” was due to guidance by His Holiness the Dalai Lama.

It has been laid out in the sub-section 1 and 2 of Article 17 of clause 6 of the rules for procedure of meeting and carrying out of works by the deputies of the Tibetan Parliament, in sub-section 1: “As per the sub-section 2 of Article 1 of the charter, the Speaker, in discussion with Sikyong, is to set aside time for discussion on the suggestion of His Holiness the Dalai Lama.” 

So, without going through any recommendation from the Parliament or legal process, the Kashag said that the title in English as “President” has been decided on and designated as such, and they continue to use this title, as such using this title for Sikyong is not legal according to the Tibetan Parliament in Exile. 

You can read more here, written by a Tibetan http://www.tibetsun.com/opinions/2018/05/14/the-title-president-for-sikyong-is-not-legal. (http://www.tibetsun.com/opinions/2018/05/14/the-title-president-for-sikyong-is-not-legal.)
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Rowntree on June 10, 2018, 05:10:51 AM
Tibetans are really fed up with Lobsang Sangay and he should really be impeached in order to say the last few strings for the Tibet Cause! Can you imagine Tibetans protested against him just recently? It was reported in this post-http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/lobsang-sangay-see-you-in-court/ and things like this were never heard of in the Tibetan community as we know how they behave from earlier discussions on this thread.

The Tibetans were particularly upset about Sangay and the CTA's US's representative's arrogance and their senseless explanations of the US1.5 million loan to purchase the CTA's office in Washington D.C. To-date, apart from sacking Penpa Tsering, Sangay has not provided any proof of his claim. He dare not shows the Tibetans and the public their account, not even the official one, so no one knows the real story still.

Lobsang Sangay is still functioning as a dictator from the serfdom system and he is enjoying himself and especially in exploiting the Tibetans and generous sponsors as they are all clouded by their respective wrong views about the CTA. The Western media painted Tibet as Shangrila and people in Tibet are Buddhist and kind. In the "Seven Years in Tibet" movie starring Brad Pitt, there was even a scene when the monks prayed for insects before the pipe system was set up. Yet, they have no mercy for Dorje Shugden, rangzen people, Chinese, as well as anyone they labeled as anti-Dalai Lama. The Tibetans are barbaric and wild, as you would have imaged a nomad life whose main diet consists of dairy and meat. These food arouse anger easily as founded by dietitians/scientists today. This is why the tradition of the Buddhist refuge vows (10 precepts) is observed before the layman vows (5 precepts). In the Mahayana Buddhism, the Buddhist observe the layman vows first, and then proceed with the 10 precepts. Clearly, the Tibetans' wild mind has to be tamed more strictly.

People should not be brainwashed by the media who most of the time paint stories according to their wish for various agendas. It is always advisable that we research, analyze and read more and seek for the truth. Otherwise, a short speech by the Dalai Lama as posted on this thread can easily manipulate us who are too lazy to think or to do anything for ourselves into hating Dorje Shugden people just because he said so.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Rowntree on June 11, 2018, 05:54:44 AM
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Second thing is... if and when the Dalai Lama does go back to Tibet --- NO MORE TALKING ABOUT DORJE SHUGDEN IS BAD etc. etc. etc. Do you think China will allow that kind of speech that creates segregation and division in people? Oh no no, that's the end of it. So why is the Dalai Lama begging to return to Tibet now and doing everything he can, even talking to the Rangzens to support his vision/mission? We need to think bigger.

HHDL did say he wants to go back to Tibet. This is a move to ensure Tibetans of a place to stay as India is no longer as hospitable as before. Can't blame the Indians. Imagine these 60-year refugees sucking up all of India's resources plus taking all that $$$ from those Free Tibet organisations? Indians are not stupid. They can see what these sly Tibetans are up to.

Here's the article by Guardian where CTA's PM is asking Tibetans to make HHDL's wish to go back to Tibet come true.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/01/pm-in-exile-urges-tibetans-to-make-dalai-lamas-return-a-reality]

BTW, I think for someone who is running a government-in-exile WITHOUT an actual country, Lobsang Sangay sure is ahead of himself calling himself PM. Only countries like China, India, Japan with actual country have Prime Ministers.

You know Lobsang Sangay calling himself a President is actually illegal. See here https://www.tibetsun.com/opinions/2018/05/14/the-title-president-for-sikyong-is-not-legal (https://www.tibetsun.com/opinions/2018/05/14/the-title-president-for-sikyong-is-not-legal) It is concluded that Lobsang Sangay only uses this to make himself looks important and parallel with, say, Trump. He is known to focus on his fame, power and prestige. For 2 terms now, you only see him constantly looking for opportunities to get international media coverage of him in order to keep his door open for donations to come to him. Supposedly, all the donations are meant for the Tibet Cause but he has been corrupting it for his own benefits. He should be impeached as the opportunities are running out for the Tibetan refugees to remain in India.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: dsnowlion on June 14, 2018, 06:03:01 AM
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You know Lobsang Sangay calling himself a President is actually illegal. See here https://www.tibetsun.com/opinions/2018/05/14/the-title-president-for-sikyong-is-not-legal (https://www.tibetsun.com/opinions/2018/05/14/the-title-president-for-sikyong-is-not-legal) It is concluded that Lobsang Sangay only uses this to make himself looks important and parallel with, say, Trump. He is known to focus on his fame, power and prestige. For 2 terms now, you only see him constantly looking for opportunities to get international media coverage of him in order to keep his door open for donations to come to him. Supposedly, all the donations are meant for the Tibet Cause but he has been corrupting it for his own benefits. He should be impeached as the opportunities are running out for the Tibetan refugees to remain in India.

What to do... this is the next best thing he'll ever have a taste of "presidency"... I guess need to play an imaginary game and pretend. He'll probably be the only lay Tibetan-exile-wanna-president because it will most like end with him also. However, China still does not recognise him, so I wonder what he's going to do if ever Dalai Lama gets to return to Tibet. I don't think China is impressed with him one bit. I don't think they even notice him. They have never ever said or address anything regarding him or his administration which by the way still exist because of the Dalai Lama. Without the Dalai Lama, they are would not be around. So he can play pretend and imagine he is the "President" all he want, cos it time is ticking very fast for him.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Rowntree on June 15, 2018, 08:02:28 AM
The Dalai Lama is very shrewd and he is also very talented. Clearly he plays both Tibetans and Westerners like a Folk or Blues singer with a guitar and harmonica.

Only thing is he's no Bob Dylan and his song is not about fostering peace in the world.

The version of the Dalai Lama in the video in this article is 100% an anti-Bob Dylan

(https://i.axs.com/2016/06/81278721-image_576b2c2e0af61.jpg)

The sad thing is, most people listen to it and thinks that His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama is fostering peace and protecting others from harm. You see, good and bad is just a different side of perspective but a seasoned politician like His Holiness with vast knowledge and attainments in Buddhism can easily manipulate the good to bad and vice versa. In the case of the Dorje Shugden ban, he made a 400-year-old practice a bad and harmful thing, most ridiculously, without basis. He is trained in the Gelug tradition that is well known for their debate with logic. You have to have logic and basis to debate. Because he is the Dalai Lama, most people just follow and can't be bothered.

Those in the Gelug tradition who have chosen to keep quiet and allow the lineage to be suppressed and crushed by the CTA, are all cowards and they make people wonder the effectiveness of their studies and the benefits of studying and practising the dharma. For example, Thupten Jinpa, a geshe lharampa who decided to disrobed and leech onHis Holiness' fame, is a very good example. First, he disrobed after having all the knowledge and was once considered a virtuous friend (geshe) decided marriage and money are more important. He is saying samsara is better than liberation. Secondly, his root guru is the well respected Zimey Rinpoche who wrote the Yellow Book and he knows very well His Holiness' ban on Dorje Shugden is baseless, yet he kept quiet and continues to translate for His Holiness because money is more important than his guru and the lineage. He spent his life studying Buddhism to the highest level supposedly, and he uses it to earn money. How crooked is this? But, it is ok, because as long as you seen on His Holiness' side, you are right. Otherwise, how would everyone thinks the unethical Buddhist scholar Robert Thurman got his book sells and run free for attempting to solicit Anonymous group of hackers to hack into Dorje Shugden practitioners' computer?

It is very clear that in samsara, most people are here to experience the ripening of their karma. They do not think, do not care, do not want anything but their own attachments. As long as they can continue to live in the comfort of their mind, they would just go with the flow and this is how we can all the problems in the world that allow the human race to destroy mother planet in just less than 100 years! This is how destructive our selfish mind is and no one cares to see that or do anything about it. Only a few minorities who are always going against the grain and really live their lives to make a difference regardless of how insignificant it may be seen.

Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: DharmaSpace on June 15, 2018, 03:17:48 PM
The Dalai Lama has been known to show difference stances to Westerner Buddhist and Tibetans.

This is all recorded on video, when the Dalai Lama speaks to the Westerners, things like ban, evicting monks are not uttered at all. But when speaking to the Tibetans, sometimes under veiled threats, the words of the Dalai Lama pushes many administrators and monks to conduct a supposed referendum to figure out how many practitioners of Dorje Shugden was there.

A true referendum, does not have negative repercussions for certain groups of people.

Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Jushri on June 15, 2018, 07:45:59 PM

One of the biggest joke is the referendum. What is there to choose, when everyone just have to follow what Dalai Lama said? Referendum is just another trick the Tibetan leaders are happy to carry out to suppress their own people even further. The Tibetans leaders must be extremely happy to hear referendums and they know they can fully abuse their own people. Again, referendums are just to fool westerns that they are practicing democracy, and most westerners just fall for it.


I agree with you. The referendum IS a huge joke. The stick and all that was just a cover to show how democratic they are when in actual fact the monks were backed into a corner and only the minority who are brave enough to stay true to their practice, dare to stand up and pick the opposite. I can imagine the tremendous pressure and suffering!
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: dsnowlion on June 15, 2018, 08:17:42 PM
The Dalai Lama has been known to show difference stances to Westerner Buddhist and Tibetans.

This is all recorded on video, when the Dalai Lama speaks to the Westerners, things like ban, evicting monks are not uttered at all. But when speaking to the Tibetans, sometimes under veiled threats, the words of the Dalai Lama pushes many administrators and monks to conduct a supposed referendum to figure out how many practitioners of Dorje Shugden was there.

A true referendum, does not have negative repercussions for certain groups of people.

Hence, there is NO such thing as democracy. It is all a facade to fool the Western people and the media. For years they have bought this great deception on Tibetan-exile government. But now slowly their tricks and lies are being exposed. There is even a hashtag called #ThLieLama. This is very sad indeed and it will not get any better for them because they have been using lies as the basis of their ruling.

What is puzzling is how can the CTA operate in this way when they are a so-called Buddhist nation? Even if they do not practice Buddhism at heart, you would think they would have seen enough bad repercussion/consequences from bad actions? 

 
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: fruven on June 15, 2018, 08:44:04 PM
Second thing is... if and when the Dalai Lama does go back to Tibet --- NO MORE TALKING ABOUT DORJE SHUGDEN IS BAD etc. etc. etc. Do you think China will allow that kind of speech that creates segregation and division in people? Oh no no, that's the end of it. So why is the Dalai Lama begging to return to Tibet now and doing everything he can, even talking to the Rangzens to support his vision/mission? We need to think bigger.

HHDL did say he wants to go back to Tibet. This is a move to ensure Tibetans of a place to stay as India is no longer as hospitable as before. Can't blame the Indians. Imagine these 60-year refugees sucking up all of India's resources plus taking all that $$$ from those Free Tibet organisations? Indians are not stupid. They can see what these sly Tibetans are up to.

Here's the article by Guardian where CTA's PM is asking Tibetans to make HHDL's wish to go back to Tibet come true.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/01/pm-in-exile-urges-tibetans-to-make-dalai-lamas-return-a-reality]

BTW, I think for someone who is running a government-in-exile WITHOUT an actual country, Lobsang Sangay sure is ahead of himself calling himself PM. Only countries like China, India, Japan with actual country have Prime Ministers.

What Lobang Sangay is selling is a Tibetan pipe dream. This year he has repeated what he did last year. He travelled to countries to engage them into Tibetan dream while getting donations. No country is going to buy into his dream anymore and give donations freely to greedy Lobsang Sangay. Why? There is no significant benefit for them because the Tibetan victim card has been overused. No one is willing to irritate big China. Tibetan in exiled is this tiny mole while China is the giant elephant.

Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: phyag na rlangs pa on June 15, 2018, 11:47:17 PM

It is all a facade to fool the Western people and the media. For years they have bought this great deception on Tibetan-exile government.


The Tibetan Parliament-in-exile is like a really bad reality TV show. There is no substance to the topics that are tabled. Nothing on the living conditions of the Tibetans-in-exile and plans on how to improve the Tibetan settlements in India.

What there is plenty of discussions on are all the things that attract foreign funding, playing up all the usual US anti-China issues such as human rights, China oppressing Tibetan's freedom of religion and belief, bla bla bla.

And all this pretence of being a democracy is due to the fact that the Tibetans would not be able to get any US funding if they were a Theocracy or in the Tibetan case, it would be Religious Dictatorship.

Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: kris on June 16, 2018, 01:43:09 AM
I have heard that Tibetans can be very indirect. It is common for most Asians to speak in such way, it is the norm. One has to read between the lines rather than explicitly stated. The fact that Dalai Lama is both a political and a spiritual head make whatever he said becomes an order that must carried out without question while the advise seems to be optional for the Westerners.

Yes, most Asians do talk indirectly, and most westerners do not understand this. They will only hear the part of message which generally sounds good to westerners, but do not know the deeper meaning. Just an example, the "advice" and called for "referendum". This is just a joke by itself.

CTA is harping on the fact that most Tibetans are inert, and dare not speak up. Look at Sangay, who has graduated from Harvard with a PhD in law. He definitely learnt what is democracy, but instead of standing up for Tibetans, he sees the opportunity to abuse them, and I must say he did very well in abusing them. He didn't use his knowledge to teach the people to understand their rights. He didn't use his knowledge to setup a true democratic government, such that when Tibet is taken back, they will be ready to run the country.

I pray there is someone in Tibet who can inspire Tibetans to learn more about their rights, and start to question their government, not to challenge HH Dalai Lama, but to check and balance, to stop corruption, stop abuse of power, stop abuse of money.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Joo Won on June 16, 2018, 05:38:01 AM
This is indeed a must read post if one wishes to understand Tibetans in general and Dorje Shugden issue better. Tibetans like Asians they talk quite indirectly, is not that straight forward. May be that's one of the reason Westerners or non-Tibetans not able to grab the real meanings of what the Dalai Lama going to sy and means with his words. Listening to his speech and taking tge surface meanings for most of the time one missed the gist of it.

Most often, if one noticed, the Dalai Lama or Tibetan politicians would insert many proverbs in their speech, which are with double layers of meanings and rooted in Tibetan culture and only those familiar with the culture gotten the real message. If not for someone familiar with the culture pointed out like the post as the guide to many, many would take the surface meaning of the Dalai Lama's speech. This is especially the Dalai Lama good and a.ways skillfully giggle and jokes at same pioints of his speech, while he was actually giving instruction and hint the abbots or some leaders to do something.

Of course like most of the leaders around the world have been doing, when comes to some "discriminative" or sensitive speech or notes on certain races, faith or community groups, which are not so of universal values, leaders including the DalainLama tend to talk in front of small group, not on a mass gathering or event with international media or groups of people present.

Take the example of referendum, the referendum alone seems like something democracy, respecting people's views, but if one really watch the video when the idea was voiced up by the Dalai Lama, it was actually an instruction to carry out according to his way.

May be it's time Tibetan society moves out from the feudal sociey mindset, give their democracy a real name by exercising their rights to challenge their leaders, using some logics and reasoning before blindly follow.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Rowntree on June 16, 2018, 07:24:45 PM
CTA is harping on the fact that most Tibetans are inert, and dare not speak up. Look at Sangay, who has graduated from Harvard with a PhD in law. He definitely learnt what is democracy, but instead of standing up for Tibetans, he sees the opportunity to abuse them, and I must say he did very well in abusing them. He didn't use his knowledge to teach the people to understand their rights. He didn't use his knowledge to setup a true democratic government, such that when Tibet is taken back, they will be ready to run the country.

I pray there is someone in Tibet who can inspire Tibetans to learn more about their rights, and start to question their government, not to challenge HH Dalai Lama, but to check and balance, to stop corruption, stop abuse of power, stop abuse of money.

The only logical explanation why Lobsang Sangay joined the CTA and ran for election is that he wanted to take full advantage of the Tibetan customs. He knows he can really take advantage of the situation and he can really benefit from the huge donations that are ready to be corrupted. He takes full advantage of people's impression on Tibetan and the Tibetans self-made victimized image, constantly playing the "We are being bullied by China" card and ride on politicians' jealousy of China's economic power and the white supremacy racist ideology. Interesting how human minds work, they can look hate the Chinese but sympathized with the Tibetans who are also Asians and people of colour. Maybe it is easier to hate JUST the Chinese, so they do not need to go around hating ALL coloured people.

I must say that Sangay is very good at selling the "Tibetans are Victim" story to the world and get many donations for his own use. For a victim and poor Tibetan, supposedly, how can he afford a house in the US & manage to pay off the mortgage within his first term as the Sikyong. Unless he has a high salary for this which will be illogical, or he receives favours from people for his power. We know he likes to blackmail people through his speech we get to watch on Youtube and read on news channels. He sexually assaulted Leslie Butterfield who was an intern at ICT and got away with it by blackmailing the people at ICT to cut their access to His Holiness https://thetibetstar.com/2018/02/21/president-sangay-and-the-sexual-assault-on-ms-leslie-butterfield/. Another example is the US1.5 million from Tibet Fund as a loan to the CTA for their office purchase in Washington DC. He threatened the finance officers to stop their access to His Holiness if they do not change their account item from loan to donations. Sangay also launched an attack at Mila Rangzen for exposing his sexual assaults and etc.

If Sangay is a genuine leader, his conduct will be totally different and people will truly adore and respect him. With all these dirty tricks and his close relationship with Dhardon Sharling and much more young and attractive woman, what hope is there for the Tibetans?
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on June 19, 2018, 03:17:16 AM
The article captures all the details of the video that one would easily missed.

I have heard that Tibetans can be very indirect. It is common for most Asians to speak in such way, it is the norm. One has to read between the lines rather than explicitly stated. The fact that Dalai Lama is both a political and a spiritual head make whatever he said becomes an order that must carried out without question while the advise seems to be optional for the Westerners.

There doesn't seem to be any repercussions if you choose not to follow the advise but for the Tibetans it is very clear. The Tibetans must divide themselves between those who stop praying to Dorje Shugden and those who continue to pray. It is a black and white separation, right and wrong. Since the Dalai Lama has stopped therefore you're in the wrong if you continue to pray to Dorje Shugden. That is how the Tibetans view it. Certainly it is difficult dilemma if you have been praying to deity and were asked to stop.  :(

I totally agree with you on this one. His Holiness have been acting different in front of westerners and tibetans. The westerners are not familiar with Tibetan's culture and they way they talk. That is why the westerners says that there is no ban on Dorje Shugden practice and His Holiness is merely just advising against it.

I have seen the video of how His Holiness ordered a referendum using coloured sticks in the monastery. The way he talked about it is so subtle and also sounds like democracy but it isn't. He put pressured on the abbots, teachers, and also the administration by mentioning their name during the talk to make sure it is carried out. This is how His Holiness gives instruction. Very subtle.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: DharmaSpace on June 19, 2018, 09:29:21 PM
For the Tibetans the Dalai Lama is their God King, his word is law and absolute. Anything said by the Dalai Lama is taken very seriously, and not taken trivially or treated frivolously.

Something many Western audiences enamoured by the Dalai Lama's imagery in the West, the romantic Shangri-La tibet, could have failed to grasp.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Celia on June 20, 2018, 02:23:49 PM
What is apparent is the fact that Tibet is wrongly mystified by the western media. The Tibetan leadership likes to play on people’s sympathies by twisting anything to their advantage and they have been very successful in hoodwinking the masses due to the tinted lens in which the world has been influenced to view Tibet.

Hence, the Tibetan leadership has been getting away with all their shenanigans including the biggest one of all, the illegal ban against Dorje Shugden practitioners.

To put a perspective as to how heavy the bias is, basically, CTA has managed to pull of an unconstitutional religious ban for decades whilst pretending to be a democratic governing body and milking the world at large for donations to line CTA’s own pockets due to such wrong mystification.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Rowntree on June 20, 2018, 09:13:27 PM
For the Tibetans the Dalai Lama is their God King, his word is law and absolute. Anything said by the Dalai Lama is taken very seriously, and not taken trivially or treated frivolously.

Something many Western audiences enamoured by the Dalai Lama's imagery in the West, the romantic Shangri-La tibet, could have failed to grasp.


The same applies to Bhutan. It was shocking to know that beyond the peaceful and beautiful landscape, and the National Gross Happiness index, are kings who are afraid of losing powers. They do not recognised most of the Zhabdrung Rinpoche's reincarnations, and have them assassinated, poisoned, imprisoned to life and put them under house of arrest. The first Zhabdrung was the founding father of Bhutan and his reincarnations are being treated in such brutal and cruel manner. The Bhutanese is nothing lesser than the Tibetans when it comes to brutality and cruelty. The current government is split into to main areas: spiritual and secular where the Je Khenpo is choosen to take on the role. The current 70th Je Khenpo has banned Dorje Shugden while the previous 69 of them did not. It is obviously a political move and he is not afterall merely managing the spiritual side of things. Read here to learn more http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy-of-the-10th-zhabdrung-jigdrel-ngawang-namgyal-pema-namgyal/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy-of-the-10th-zhabdrung-jigdrel-ngawang-namgyal-pema-namgyal/) The Bhutanese seems to fear him like how the Tibetans do towards His Holiness.

I bet the Bhutanese King and Je Khenpo speaks like His Holiness with a lot of hidden and indirect messages since they were once Tibetans, though they are far behind when it comes to charisma and power. Imagine with all the scandals and dirty laundry people have been exposing the CTA of, they continue to receive aids in various forms, including financial aids without achieving anything after 60 years. This is the result of His Holiness' charisma and power. The Tibetans are nothing without His Holiness and they will nothing soon since there are already speculations that His Holiness is unwell and he may not remain for too long. Sangay is already spreading the rumours that His Holiness may announce his successor soon. As usual, he always look for opportunities to be featured in the international media.

We'll see what His Holiness do next. Every speech and move by him affects his followers, international politicians and the Tibetans greatly. He is seriously the most powerful spiritual figure on earth who can do so.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Celia on June 25, 2018, 10:53:05 AM
The Dalai Lama has been known to show difference stances to Westerner Buddhist and Tibetans and the video shown is but one of the instances on record. Said it before and will say it again, it is utterly disappointing that foreigners particularly from democratic Western countries readily and immediately side with the Dalai Lama at face value and without much due diligence. It is in a way understandable (although not necessarily correct) for Tibetans in exile to exercise indoctrinated obedience. After all, it is owing to past environmental and historical factors plus in deeply religious society like that of the Tibetans, no one really overrules the Dalai Lama.

However, what is the excuse of those foreigners? Either they have political or economical hidden agendas OR they are ignorantly misinformed. Either way, the damage from such blindness or unwillingness to properly address the Dorje Shugden ban, is very severe. In short, the millions of aid given in good faith are being used to actually harm and hurt people – as it is used to fund discriminative activities towards people’s religious faith without any basis.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: fruven on June 25, 2018, 11:50:47 AM
For the Tibetans the Dalai Lama is their God King, his word is law and absolute. Anything said by the Dalai Lama is taken very seriously, and not taken trivially or treated frivolously.

Something many Western audiences enamoured by the Dalai Lama's imagery in the West, the romantic Shangri-La tibet, could have failed to grasp.


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There are six million Tibetans living inside Tibet who trust me. So, I have the moral responsibility to protect them as well. Although I gave up handling political matters since 2001, when I retired, I continued to be partially involved for the next 10 years. In 2011, I retired fully. Since childhood, I have admired democracy. Our old system of the Dalai Lama and regents has too much power vested in a few people. That is a mistake. The best thing is a democratic system. So I began work on creating a democratic system for Tibetans. We created the system of elected political leadership in 2001.

Source: [url]http://www.thehindu.com/society/india-is-our-aryabhoomi-dalai-lama/article24180001.ece[/url] ([url]http://www.thehindu.com/society/india-is-our-aryabhoomi-dalai-lama/article24180001.ece[/url])


Very true. It doesn't matter what the Dalai Lama himself said about his role. For the Tibetans whatever actions and messages Dalai Lama conveyed is still the law from a Tibetan King. He is Chenrezig, the Buddha of Compasson. His influence and reputation don't diminished just technically he himself 'retired'.

On the other hand Lobsang Sangay continues to fly around the world doing his job to convince the Western world leaders that supporting Tibetan cause is supporting human rights hoping he can get financial aids. When can the West wake up to the fact that CTA under Lobsang Sangay is perpetuating the discrimination against Dorje Shugden group of practitioners?


Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Rowntree on June 25, 2018, 12:54:24 PM
Very true. It doesn't matter what the Dalai Lama himself said about his role. For the Tibetans whatever actions and messages Dalai Lama conveyed is still the law from a Tibetan King. He is Chenrezig, the Buddha of Compasson. His influence and reputation don't diminished just technically he himself 'retired'.

On the other hand Lobsang Sangay continues to fly around the world doing his job to convince the Western world leaders that supporting Tibetan cause is supporting human rights hoping he can get financial aids. When can the West wake up to the fact that CTA under Lobsang Sangay is perpetuating the discrimination against Dorje Shugden group of practitioners?

Pathetic Lobsang Sangay is clearly on a world tour trying to revive ailing sentiments towards the Tibetan cause that is already a pool of dead water since a few years ago. After warning Canada not to fall into a trap as its trade relationship with China deepens. He asked Canada should be careful not to self-censor or turn a blind eye to human rights abuses by the Chinese government, which is a trend he said he has watched in Australia, who entered into a free-trade agreement with China in 2015. He said nothing about his suppression of Dorje Shugden practise and all the dirty jobs he has done and continues to do.

Now he is in Israel and equates support for the Tibetan struggle as an indication of a government’s stand for human rights, just like how he did in Canada earlier: “'Next time I will make a political visit and see how many people in the government and the Knesset will meet or not,' Sangay said. In some sense, Tibet is a test. If you meet with Tibetans, you are actually for non-violence, democracy and human rights." Do you see the hypocrisy in what he said?

Also, Sangay avoids commenting on Israel’s occupation of Palestine. Rhe nation of Palestine does not exist according to Israel, just like to China the independent nation of Tibet never existed. So how is China different to Israel and why speak of human rights and then sidestep taking a firm stance on the Palestinian issue?

Sangay says he has not sought meetings with higher level Israeli government officials when in fact he knows he would not be entertained. This is how he spends the US taxpayers money, going around creating schism between the country he visits with China while telling the Tibetans to be united in order for the Dalai Lama to return to Tibet. Can he not tell his method will only piss China off more?

https://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/From-Jerusalem-leader-in-exile-says-Next-year-in-Tibet-560776
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Jushri on June 25, 2018, 01:22:12 PM
Oh no no, he is not calling himself PM, that useless Sangay is calling himself "PRESIDENT". You didn't know? He changed the title HIMSELF. Can you imagine the nerve... yeah President to no land, no country and soon no people. He is disgusting with all his sexual scandals, why do you think that unqualified shorty Dhardon got her job. Put 2 and 2 together and go figure. The whole Tibetan exile community knows, nothing new. And what about that 1.5million he took to buy a useless office in DC. He did not even have to move office, not like they were expanding, and we're to proof, but he happily to revenge and fired his rival Penpa that cause a huge uproar and more division.

It seems like ever since he became Sikyong/PM/President whatever you wanna call it, Tibetans in exile and Tibetans in general's reputation and fate has gone downhill. Not only no one recognises him as the secular head, countries are closing their doors and budget for their Tibet Cause. I really do not see them lasting long, I personally think once the Dalai Lama returns to Tibet, they will be dissolved, that's the most natural thing to happen. So this is why whatever the CTA does is always contradictory to what His Holiness is saying. In front of the Dalai Lama is yes yes yes we'll follow your Umaylam but behind they do everything the opposite. How not to irritate China? This time Dalai Lama does not have long and if he does not get to return to Tibet and passes away in exile, you'll know who's fault is it and it ain't Dorje Shugden's. Don't blame it on Shugden. What do you think? Will CTA last and what will happen when the Dalai Lama returns to Tibet?

President?? Seriously? It's even worse than I thought! I smell megalomania in this Sikyong.

I share your sentiments. Once HHDL goes back, CTA will be finished. Besides, I don't think the current batch has what it takes to run the country anyway. They are just good at lining their pockets and having fancy titles. Imagine for people without even a real country are telling other countries how to run their country? it's such a joke!

See it here - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/include-ancient-indian-traditions-in-education-system-says-dalai-lama/articleshow/63873945.cms
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: kris on June 25, 2018, 01:47:05 PM
You know what is the best part? The best part is, now HH Dalai Lama said He wants to go back to China, and that it is OK for Tibet to be part of China, then all Tibetans just say OK without question. I'm not asking the Tibetans to go against HHDL, but it is this type of "no-question" or "dare-not-question" attitude which is fully abused by their ministers. I must say the government is excellent in training them not to think, and now the ministers are taking full advantage of the situation.

Now the Lobsang Sangay is saying that Tibet is a yardstick of democracy. What a lot of bull, because Tibet in exile does not even practice a bit of democracy. Where is yr religions freedom? Where is the accountability? Where is yr transparency?

I maintained what I said before. If Tibetans don't know (or refuse to) how to think for themselves, they are the ones who will be milked by their ministers, and they have no one else to blame except for themselves.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Joo Won on June 25, 2018, 02:09:56 PM
For the Tibetans the Dalai Lama is their God King, his word is law and absolute. Anything said by the Dalai Lama is taken very seriously, and not taken trivially or treated frivolously.

Something many Western audiences enamoured by the Dalai Lama's imagery in the West, the romantic Shangri-La tibet, could have failed to grasp.


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There are six million Tibetans living inside Tibet who trust me. So, I have the moral responsibility to protect them as well. Although I gave up handling political matters since 2001, when I retired, I continued to be partially involved for the next 10 years. In 2011, I retired fully. Since childhood, I have admired democracy. Our old system of the Dalai Lama and regents has too much power vested in a few people. That is a mistake. The best thing is a democratic system. So I began work on creating a democratic system for Tibetans. We created the system of elected political leadership in 2001.

Source: [url]http://www.thehindu.com/society/india-is-our-aryabhoomi-dalai-lama/article24180001.ece[/url] ([url]http://www.thehindu.com/society/india-is-our-aryabhoomi-dalai-lama/article24180001.ece[/url])


Very true. It doesn't matter what the Dalai Lama himself said about his role. For the Tibetans whatever actions and messages Dalai Lama conveyed is still the law from a Tibetan King. He is Chenrezig, the Buddha of Compasson. His influence and reputation don't diminished just technically he himself 'retired'.

On the other hand Lobsang Sangay continues to fly around the world doing his job to convince the Western world leaders that supporting Tibetan cause is supporting human rights hoping he can get financial aids. When can the West wake up to the fact that CTA under Lobsang Sangay is perpetuating the discrimination against Dorje Shugden group of practitioners?


I read this line in the news: “For journalists it is more difficult to access Tibet than North Korea,” so it is difficult to publicize the story of what is happening there, Sangay said. “If you really want to know about China, you have to know about the Tibetan narrative. If you do not understand the Tibetan story you will not understand what China is capable of..."  ::)

For many of Dorje Shugden people, "If you really want to know about CTA, you have to know about the DORJE SHUGDEN issue. If do not understand the Dorje Shugden ban and conflict, you will not understand the what CTA is capable of"!

It's kind of disgusting to read what Lobsang Sangey talks about how he feels for the Tibetans for losing their country and not able to return to for 60 years...And more unbelievable is CTA seems doesn't matter to take another 60 years as their timeline to return to Tibet :'( because he compared Tibet cause with Jews to build their own country after two thousand years.   :'( :'(
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: phyag na rlangs pa on June 25, 2018, 04:05:32 PM
Have you guys seen this?

Sikyong is in Israel and the report from Jerusalem says:

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Born in India, the soft-spoken man leads a people without a country. Like Sangay, they are inspired by the Jewish nation’s return to their homeland, as they campaign for autonomous recognition from China.

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“We always look for hope. If the Jewish people can do it, we Tibetans should be able to do it too,” Sangay said.

Instead of identifying with the Palestinians who are the group under occupation and which is in line with the narrative of the Central Tibetan Administration. He instead identifies with Israel, the occupiers.

For someone who's so hung up on 'human rights', he sure doesn't say anything about human rights violations in that region of the world.

The irony is so thick, I don't know whether to cry or to laugh.

I guess he sees being friendly to Israel is a way to get into Trump's good books and budgets.

The article is here: https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/From-Jerusalem-leader-in-exile-says-Next-year-in-Tibet-560776 (https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/From-Jerusalem-leader-in-exile-says-Next-year-in-Tibet-560776)
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: dsnowlion on June 25, 2018, 07:57:01 PM
Have you guys seen this?

Sikyong is in Israel and the report from Jerusalem says:

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Born in India, the soft-spoken man leads a people without a country. Like Sangay, they are inspired by the Jewish nation’s return to their homeland, as they campaign for autonomous recognition from China.

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“We always look for hope. If the Jewish people can do it, we Tibetans should be able to do it too,” Sangay said.

Instead of identifying with the Palestinians who are the group under occupation and which is in line with the narrative of the Central Tibetan Administration. He instead identifies with Israel, the occupiers.

For someone who's so hung up on 'human rights', he sure doesn't say anything about human rights violations in that region of the world.

The irony is so thick, I don't know whether to cry or to laugh.

I guess he sees being friendly to Israel is a way to get into Trump's good books and budgets.

The article is here: https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/From-Jerusalem-leader-in-exile-says-Next-year-in-Tibet-560776 (https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/From-Jerusalem-leader-in-exile-says-Next-year-in-Tibet-560776)

This is a huge bloody joke! The Sikyong making friends who are one of the biggest culprits in breaching Human Rights. How come he never bothered to comment or rather sidestepping in addressing Israel’s occupation of Palestine? To Israel,  the nation of Palestine does not exist and this is the same as China that sees the independent nation of Tibet never existed.

So how is China different from Israel and why talk about human rights and ignore the Palestinian issue?
Oh wait, I guess they have something in common then!
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on June 26, 2018, 02:01:54 AM
Have you guys seen this?

Sikyong is in Israel and the report from Jerusalem says:

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Born in India, the soft-spoken man leads a people without a country. Like Sangay, they are inspired by the Jewish nation’s return to their homeland, as they campaign for autonomous recognition from China.

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“We always look for hope. If the Jewish people can do it, we Tibetans should be able to do it too,” Sangay said.

Instead of identifying with the Palestinians who are the group under occupation and which is in line with the narrative of the Central Tibetan Administration. He instead identifies with Israel, the occupiers.

For someone who's so hung up on 'human rights', he sure doesn't say anything about human rights violations in that region of the world.

The irony is so thick, I don't know whether to cry or to laugh.

I guess he sees being friendly to Israel is a way to get into Trump's good books and budgets.

The article is here: https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/From-Jerusalem-leader-in-exile-says-Next-year-in-Tibet-560776 (https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/From-Jerusalem-leader-in-exile-says-Next-year-in-Tibet-560776)

Thats so obvious that the Sikyong here is trying to get into Trump's good books for more donations and funds. What else will he be benefited from saying that ? He is only interested in the money and he will say anything just to get it.

Sigh. Tibetan will suffer because of this kind of attitude in the government. A government that only thinks about money and neglect the people's welfare. Being 60years in exile, Tibetans are still the same like 60years ago. There is no improvement at all despite of millions and billions of money donated to CTA. How is it possible for the Tibetan settlement camp remain as it is 60years ago ? The money has to go somewhere. I guess we all know where it went.

This is very sad. Tibetans are being abused by their own government while they fight for their own country by putting their lives on the line.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Rowntree on June 26, 2018, 04:37:01 PM
Thats so obvious that the Sikyong here is trying to get into Trump's good books for more donations and funds. What else will he be benefited from saying that ? He is only interested in the money and he will say anything just to get it.

Sigh. Tibetan will suffer because of this kind of attitude in the government. A government that only thinks about money and neglect the people's welfare. Being 60years in exile, Tibetans are still the same like 60years ago. There is no improvement at all despite of millions and billions of money donated to CTA. How is it possible for the Tibetan settlement camp remain as it is 60years ago ? The money has to go somewhere. I guess we all know where it went.

This is very sad. Tibetans are being abused by their own government while they fight for their own country by putting their lives on the line.

What do you think that makes the Dalai Lama's hidden message effective in the first place? Of course people who are ignorant and refused to think. They are trained not to think just like the Bhutanese as the Bhutanese said themselves. Serfdom produces followers, unfortunately, 'brand-dead' type in a way, so a few gets to control them and get them to do what they want. The Tibetans have always been a chip for the Tibetan leadership, nothing more, nothing less. Their benefits are not priority but those in power are.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: dsnowlion on June 27, 2018, 12:32:42 AM
What do you think that makes the Dalai Lama's hidden message effective in the first place? Of course people who are ignorant and refused to think. They are trained not to think just like the Bhutanese as the Bhutanese said themselves. Serfdom produces followers, unfortunately, 'brand-dead' type in a way, so a few gets to control them and get them to do what they want. The Tibetans have always been a chip for the Tibetan leadership, nothing more, nothing less. Their benefits are not priority but those in power are.

OH my my that coming from another Bhutanese sure is good to know. This just evidence that the CTA has been brainwashing so many people and deceiving so many people, which we already knew. I hope more "educated" Bhutanese, as well as Tibetans, would actually speak up and tell the truth about the disgusting CTA so that we can expose them and stop all the suffering so many have to endure because of the ban on Dorje Shugden. All the CTA does is collect more negative karma to go to the lower realms, their office should by right seize operations!
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: DharmaSpace on June 27, 2018, 07:16:58 PM
Since we are on the topic of Bhutanese, hope many more Bhutanese will wake up to the fact that following the CTA and the Dalai Lama to ban Dorje Shugden is the worst thing they could ever do for themselves.

In fact it is very bad move to follow CTA's policy, and all they stand for, What has the CTA really done for the Tibetan people after 60 years of being exiled.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Rowntree on June 28, 2018, 12:42:26 PM
Since we are on the topic of Bhutanese, hope many more Bhutanese will wake up to the fact that following the CTA and the Dalai Lama to ban Dorje Shugden is the worst thing they could ever do for themselves.

In fact it is very bad move to follow CTA's policy, and all they stand for, What has the CTA really done for the Tibetan people after 60 years of being exiled.

All the Bhutanese need is a Je Khenpo (religious leader) who is not political. The current one is the 70th and he is the ONLY one who bans the Dorje Shugden practice in Bhutan. Since all 69 before him didn't ban it, it must be that he buys into the CTA's political propaganda and decided to do so for political reasons. It seems that he is not spiritual at all.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on July 13, 2018, 07:57:00 AM
Since we are on the topic of Bhutanese, hope many more Bhutanese will wake up to the fact that following the CTA and the Dalai Lama to ban Dorje Shugden is the worst thing they could ever do for themselves.

In fact it is very bad move to follow CTA's policy, and all they stand for, What has the CTA really done for the Tibetan people after 60 years of being exiled.

All the Bhutanese need is a Je Khenpo (religious leader) who is not political. The current one is the 70th and he is the ONLY one who bans the Dorje Shugden practice in Bhutan. Since all 69 before him didn't ban it, it must be that he buys into the CTA's political propaganda and decided to do so for political reasons. It seems that he is not spiritual at all.

No true religious leader will ban other religion just because they don't agree to them. I don't see the Pope banning Buddhism, Wicca or hinduism in the western countries. Only narrow minded people will not respect religious freedom.

It is funny that their country takes pride in being a democratic country. How is a democratic country bans another religion ? It is one of the basic human rights to have religious freedom as long as they obey the law. It is even in their constitution but yet they choose to turn a blind eye and follow CTA's lies.

I guess Bhutan is not that great after all.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: fruven on July 13, 2018, 03:49:04 PM
Since we are on the topic of Bhutanese, hope many more Bhutanese will wake up to the fact that following the CTA and the Dalai Lama to ban Dorje Shugden is the worst thing they could ever do for themselves.

In fact it is very bad move to follow CTA's policy, and all they stand for, What has the CTA really done for the Tibetan people after 60 years of being exiled.

It is definitely for political reason. Why Je Khenpo isn't respecting the democratic principle of a person having freedom to choose his/her religious? Does he know the laws if one discriminate another religious belief then one can be fined and jailed?

The fact that Je Khenpo can ban the practice and get away with it speaks volume of the Bhutanese towards the good intention of their king implementing the democracy system. The Bhutanese loves their king, they respect him and grateful for their king but when it comes to Dorje Shugden they exihibit the same pattern as Tibetans, their loves and respect of their king are thrown out of the window.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: kris on July 14, 2018, 03:28:37 AM
It is definitely for political reason. Why Je Khenpo isn't respecting the democratic principle of a person having freedom to choose his/her religious? Does he know the laws if one discriminate another religious belief then one can be fined and jailed?

The fact that Je Khenpo can ban the practice and get away with it speaks volume of the Bhutanese towards the good intention of their king implementing the democracy system. The Bhutanese loves their king, they respect him and grateful for their king but when it comes to Dorje Shugden they exihibit the same pattern as Tibetans, their loves and respect of their king are thrown out of the window.

To me, Je Khenpo's action is definitely 100% purely political motivated. This is the problem of most government, where they want to control the people as much as possible, and one of the easiest ways to control people is by race or religion. In the case of Bhutan, using religion to control them is a tools that is totally convenient and effective.

Just like CTA, Bhutan government and Je Khenpo purposely want their people to be ignorant (or stupid) so that they don't question things. It is in Bhutan's constitution that everyone has the rights to practice the religion they like, but Bhutan government purposely and conveniently hide their constitution under rug and don't want to talk about it. If Bhutanese are well educated, they will question why Je Khenpo made such recommendations which clearly violates the constitutions.

May be it is in Bhutan or Tibet culture not to go against the government, but that conveniently fall into the hands of the governing body to continue to abuse their people. I am not asking Bhutanese to be snobbish and rude, but they need to know their rights and not to be bullied around. Until then, good luck to all the Dorje Shugden practitioners around the world, as Shugden practitioners are continuously cursed by Bhutanese (strange kind of Buddhism where it is acceptable to swear at others).
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: phyag na rlangs pa on July 14, 2018, 04:01:32 AM
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Since we are on the topic of Bhutanese, hope many more Bhutanese will wake up to the fact that following the CTA and the Dalai Lama to ban Dorje Shugden is the worst thing they could ever do for themselves.

In fact it is very bad move to follow CTA's policy, and all they stand for, What has the CTA really done for the Tibetan people after 60 years of being exiled.

The CTA is a joke. Their five-fifty strategy is a joke. They've been struggling for independence for 60 years and gotten nowhere because nothing they've done promotes unity. One simply does not fight an 'enemy' by creating another enemy. How does dividing Tibetans by their Buddhist practice going to help the CTA gain credibility to engage with China? Personally, I don't think anyone would want to talk to anyone whose only skill is pointing fingers and blaming other people for their failures.

The horribly sad thing about this whole affair is that despite all the facts and arguments, Tibetans at large, and even the Bhutanese now, have fallen for the CTA's fairy tale of the big, bad Shugden ghost story.

Seriously, the CTA should be more concerned with the Sogyal Rinpoches and Sakyong Miphams who are actually tarnishing the reputation of Tibetans and Tibetan Buddhism. The CTA should be concerned about the future of the Tibetans-in-exile in India and how to reconcile them with their families in Tibet or resettling them as Indian nationals.

The danger to Tibet and Tibetans is not an external enemy- China - but the enemy is within: the Tibetans themselves.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Celia on July 14, 2018, 04:11:43 AM
Religion is a way of life and definitely people belonging to a religion would be 'religious' as advocated by that religion. Sadly, the Tibetan leadership has no qualms weaponizing religion for personal gain which CTA has successfully done so to deepen their own pockets. It is pretty much their only claim to success considering most of their promises made to Tibetans which are for the benefit of Tibetans remain just empty words or lip-service to curry more financial international aids or donation. Time and time again, the CTA does not hesitate to abuse state instruments and official channels to their advantage, from enforcing an unconstitutional ban to glorifying grisly self-immolation. The only silver lining is that recent developments and expose of CTA reflect that karma is catching up on them, thus, it is just a matter of time for the Tibetan leadership.

As for the Bhutanese, it is really disappointing that such a purported happy nation would turn so vulgar over something which is part of their history just because it is unfamiliar to them. Regardless of their own personal beliefs, any self-respecting Buddhist would understand the need to be respectful and tolerate difference in opinions or faith. After all, the facts and evidence are there so there are justification for a certain position. If one cannot accept, there is no need to vehemently condemn.

Ultimately, faith is a very personal thing and someone bashing a person’s religion serves no purpose other than starting heated battle very quickly. Everyone has the right to believe what they want. If there was more tolerance among people, there would be fewer battles over whose religion is right. Then again, if people really practice their religion/faith well, tolerance would be a given and non-issue.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Jushri on July 14, 2018, 07:19:31 AM
Have you guys seen this?

Sikyong is in Israel and the report from Jerusalem says:

Quote
Born in India, the soft-spoken man leads a people without a country. Like Sangay, they are inspired by the Jewish nation’s return to their homeland, as they campaign for autonomous recognition from China.

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“We always look for hope. If the Jewish people can do it, we Tibetans should be able to do it too,” Sangay said.

Instead of identifying with the Palestinians who are the group under occupation and which is in line with the narrative of the Central Tibetan Administration. He instead identifies with Israel, the occupiers.

For someone who's so hung up on 'human rights', he sure doesn't say anything about human rights violations in that region of the world.

The irony is so thick, I don't know whether to cry or to laugh.

I guess he sees being friendly to Israel is a way to get into Trump's good books and budgets.

The article is here: https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/From-Jerusalem-leader-in-exile-says-Next-year-in-Tibet-560776 (https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/From-Jerusalem-leader-in-exile-says-Next-year-in-Tibet-560776)

Kinda stupid of CTA to be friendly with Trump since we all know that China is fast becoming the next super power. What's even stupider is that CTA STILL doesn't see that Tibet is part of China and being in China's good books will help their cause more than being friends with Trump. Trump has got to be the worst POTUS in history and to be aligned with him is not a very smart move.

I think CTA is still trying to portray the "poor me, look how big bully China is violating my country" cos that's what they do best for the last 60 years. They don't know anything else beyond that. They play the victim card so that they can continue to stay in India for free and still get all the $$$ from international Tibet Cause groups. It's all about the $$$!!!

Title: !
Post by: Joo Won on July 14, 2018, 08:42:20 AM
Have you guys seen this?

Sikyong is in Israel and the report from Jerusalem says:

Quote
Born in India, the soft-spoken man leads a people without a country. Like Sangay, they are inspired by the Jewish nation’s return to their homeland, as they campaign for autonomous recognition from China.

Be the first to know - Join our Facebook page.


“We always look for hope. If the Jewish people can do it, we Tibetans should be able to do it too,” Sangay said.

Instead of identifying with the Palestinians who are the group under occupation and which is in line with the narrative of the Central Tibetan Administration. He instead identifies with Israel, the occupiers.

For someone who's so hung up on 'human rights', he sure doesn't say anything about human rights violations in that region of the world.

The irony is so thick, I don't know whether to cry or to laugh.

I guess he sees being friendly to Israel is a way to get into Trump's good books and budgets.

The article is here: https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/From-Jerusalem-leader-in-exile-says-Next-year-in-Tibet-560776 (https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/From-Jerusalem-leader-in-exile-says-Next-year-in-Tibet-560776)

Kinda stupid of CTA to be friendly with Trump since we all know that China is fast becoming the next super power. What's even stupider is that CTA STILL doesn't see that Tibet is part of China and being in China's good books will help their cause more than being friends with Trump. Trump has got to be the worst POTUS in history and to be aligned with him is not a very smart move.

I think CTA is still trying to portray the "poor me, look how big bully China is violating my country" cos that's what they do best for the last 60 years. They don't know anything else beyond that. They play the victim card so that they can continue to stay in India for free and still get all the $$$ from international Tibet Cause groups. It's all about the $$$!!!

Agree! It's short sighted to continue with the strategy to be agaisnt Beijing and trying to be good friend of Mr. Trump. CTA must be not following the trend that more and more countries, including Americans not liking this crazy man of America.

Only people who wishing to keep getting money from the "enemies" of Beijing would be good friend of Mr. Trump, at the cost of offending Beijing. The money is not for the Tibetans or for Tibet cause, but it's for the pockets of Tibetan leaders.  >:( >:(Very selfish. However, it's sad that many Tibetans still do not know this reality and keep trusting their leaders.  :'( :'( :'(

Now it's time to wake up and see the true color of Tibetan leaders.



Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: dsnowlion on July 14, 2018, 02:12:11 PM
Kinda stupid of CTA to be friendly with Trump since we all know that China is fast becoming the next super power. What's even stupider is that CTA STILL doesn't see that Tibet is part of China and being in China's good books will help their cause more than being friends with Trump. Trump has got to be the worst POTUS in history and to be aligned with him is not a very smart move.

I think CTA is still trying to portray the "poor me, look how big bully China is violating my country" cos that's what they do best for the last 60 years. They don't know anything else beyond that. They play the victim card so that they can continue to stay in India for free and still get all the $$$ from international Tibet Cause groups. It's all about the $$$!!!

The CTA is stupid indeed... they can be "try" to be friendly with Trump all they want but Trump is a racist and will never be bothered with them. Besides, Trump is a businessman first before a President, do you think he is going to side Tibetans over China? This trade war is just a show of his ego and testosterone but eventually, he will negotiate a deal with China for sure. And I don't think he has room to be concern about Tibet Cause, as far as he is concerned, the Tibetans in USA should also be sent back to Tibet China. Look at him, do you think he cares about Tibet? Please, stop kidding yourselves CTA. He wasn't the one who approve the budget for CTA this year. It was some congress.  So in a funny twisted way, Trump somehow benefits the Dorje Shugden cause! Lol  ;D Funny how everything is turning out huh?! 
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Rowntree on July 15, 2018, 04:55:41 PM
Can you all imagine all these stupid acts by the CTA, even the US Congress, are all results of the Dalai Lama's short speech? He caused the chaos and ban on Dorje Shugden's practice, makes Sogyal and Mipham rich, get Sangay a luxury house in the US, fund Dhardon Sharling's anti-Shugden's publications & etc. Because of his speech, Shugden Buddhists are segregated with no basic rights, families are separated, students are denied education, monks are expelled from their monastery...and the list goes on. His influence basically trembles the world.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: dsnowlion on July 16, 2018, 08:26:34 PM
Can you all imagine all these stupid acts by the CTA, even the US Congress, are all results of the Dalai Lama's short speech? He caused the chaos and ban on Dorje Shugden's practice, makes Sogyal and Mipham rich, get Sangay a luxury house in the US, fund Dhardon Sharling's anti-Shugden's publications & etc. Because of his speech, Shugden Buddhists are segregated with no basic rights, families are separated, students are denied education, monks are expelled from their monastery...and the list goes on. His influence basically trembles the world.

Yes but if it wasn't for His speech Tibetan Buddhism or rather Vajrayana Buddhism would not have exploded and become mainstream. It would not have grown so rapidly. And same goes for Dorje Shugden. Now the whole world knows about Dorje Shugden's controversy thanks to the Dalai Lama. So I guess it has it has its pros and cons.

No doubt those who have negative karma will naturally create more negative karma. So if say Sangay had no bad intentions and negative karma, then naturally he would not be enticed to create more negative karma. I guess what I am saying is, these people already are bad and have very bad negative karma and for sure they are not going to a good place.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Drolma on July 20, 2018, 03:26:55 PM

It is definitely for political reason. Why Je Khenpo isn't respecting the democratic principle of a person having freedom to choose his/her religious? Does he know the laws if one discriminate another religious belief then one can be fined and jailed?

The fact that Je Khenpo can ban the practice and get away with it speaks volume of the Bhutanese towards the good intention of their king implementing the democracy system. The Bhutanese loves their king, they respect him and grateful for their king but when it comes to Dorje Shugden they exihibit the same pattern as Tibetans, their loves and respect of their king are thrown out of the window.

To me, Je Khenpo's action is definitely 100% purely political motivated. This is the problem of most government, where they want to control the people as much as possible, and one of the easiest ways to control people is by race or religion. In the case of Bhutan, using religion to control them is a tools that is totally convenient and effective.

Just like CTA, Bhutan government and Je Khenpo purposely want their people to be ignorant (or stupid) so that they don't question things. It is in Bhutan's constitution that everyone has the rights to practice the religion they like, but Bhutan government purposely and conveniently hide their constitution under rug and don't want to talk about it. If Bhutanese are well educated, they will question why Je Khenpo made such recommendations which clearly violates the constitutions.

May be it is in Bhutan or Tibet culture not to go against the government, but that conveniently fall into the hands of the governing body to continue to abuse their people. I am not asking Bhutanese to be snobbish and rude, but they need to know their rights and not to be bullied around. Until then, good luck to all the Dorje Shugden practitioners around the world, as Shugden practitioners are continuously cursed by Bhutanese (strange kind of Buddhism where it is acceptable to swear at others).

I am sure it is for political reason the Je Khenpo also imposed the DS ban in Bhutan.

In Bhutan, it is predominantly Drukpa Kagyu lineage, not many in Bhutan practises Dorje Shugden anyway. So why did the Je Khenpo have to issue a statement to ban the practice of Dorje Shugden? There must be some people in Bhutan who are practising black magic like the Shamanism , using maybe spirit to cast spell on people, why didn't the Je Khenpo issue a statement to ban Shamanism? If Dorje Shugden is a spirit, Shamanism is using spirits, why so double standard? Why only ban Dorje Shugden but not Shamanism?
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: pemachen on July 22, 2018, 05:20:07 PM
Can you all imagine all these stupid acts by the CTA, even the US Congress, are all results of the Dalai Lama's short speech? He caused the chaos and ban on Dorje Shugden's practice, makes Sogyal and Mipham rich, get Sangay a luxury house in the US, fund Dhardon Sharling's anti-Shugden's publications & etc. Because of his speech, Shugden Buddhists are segregated with no basic rights, families are separated, students are denied education, monks are expelled from their monastery...and the list goes on. His influence basically trembles the world.
His Holiness the Dalai Lama is a very skilled speaker, his debate teachers and partners were the tsenshaps, so he learned from the very best scholars of the three great monasteries.

You can see the total opposite of His Holiness' message below, spoken at the Avalokiteshvara Empowerment and Public Talk in Strasbourg, France in September 2016. However, as this was not spoken in India, so the ban continues.


“I hear that some people report that I have said no one should do the practice of Dolgyal. That is not what I say. There are problems with the practice, which I know from my own experience, and that’s why I recommend people not to do it. But if someone wants to do it, they can. There are monks today in monasteries adjacent to Ganden and Sera who specifically follow the practice.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Rowntree on July 25, 2018, 02:49:35 AM
Can you all imagine all these stupid acts by the CTA, even the US Congress, are all results of the Dalai Lama's short speech? He caused the chaos and ban on Dorje Shugden's practice, makes Sogyal and Mipham rich, get Sangay a luxury house in the US, fund Dhardon Sharling's anti-Shugden's publications & etc. Because of his speech, Shugden Buddhists are segregated with no basic rights, families are separated, students are denied education, monks are expelled from their monastery...and the list goes on. His influence basically trembles the world.
His Holiness the Dalai Lama is a very skilled speaker, his debate teachers and partners were the tsenshaps, so he learned from the very best scholars of the three great monasteries.

You can see the total opposite of His Holiness' message below, spoken at the Avalokiteshvara Empowerment and Public Talk in Strasbourg, France in September 2016. However, as this was not spoken in India, so the ban continues.


“I hear that some people report that I have said no one should do the practice of Dolgyal. That is not what I say. There are problems with the practice, which I know from my own experience, and that’s why I recommend people not to do it. But if someone wants to do it, they can. There are monks today in monasteries adjacent to Ganden and Sera who specifically follow the practice.


This is how the Dalai Lama manipulates the whole Dorje Shugden situation and managed to get away with his dictatorship and allow the ban to continue for so many years. This looks like a double standard to me and it is definitely unfair. By doing so, he is saying that different audiences will be treated differently although they are all supposed to be sentient beings and must be treated equally.

The stupid Westerners are so blinded with terms like referendum, freedom, recommendation, and etc. as long as the Dalai Lama speaks with such words, they are willing to believe and happily to be manipulated into supporting the ban on Dorje Shugden and righteously treat His followers badly with their white supremacy mentality. They are the source of income for the CTA to continue banning Dorje Shugden and spread fake news and propaganda to paint negative lights on Dorje Shugden.

The stupid Westerners also supported the self-immolation campaign by happily promoting the bravery of such action together with the CTA. They incite hate in the Tibetans and get them all worked up to burn themselves alive. In return, the Westerners and CTA get more money to continue their luxury lifestyle for holding up the label of Tibet activists and voice for free Tibet.

How crooked all these sound!
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: dsnowlion on August 13, 2018, 02:15:44 AM
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The stupid Westerners are so blinded with terms like referendum, freedom, recommendation, and etc. as long as the Dalai Lama speaks with such words, they are willing to believe and happily to be manipulated into supporting the ban on Dorje Shugden and righteously treat His followers badly with their white supremacy mentality. They are the source of income for the CTA to continue banning Dorje Shugden and spread fake news and propaganda to paint negative lights on Dorje Shugden.

The stupid Westerners also supported the self-immolation campaign by happily promoting the bravery of such action together with the CTA. They incite hate in the Tibetans and get them all worked up to burn themselves alive. In return, the Westerners and CTA get more money to continue their luxury lifestyle for holding up the label of Tibet activists and voice for free Tibet.

I guess there aren't enough times to say and spell out how STUPID the westerners and their idealistic mindset can be  ;D ;D ;D

It also goes to show how powerful and so influenced the Dalai Lama is. It is as if everyone is enchanted by some kind of Dalai Lama spell. Having said that, it would be so nice for Dalai Lama to turn around and apologise for the disharmony and suffering caused due to the ban! Imagine what it will do... it will unite all Tibetans again and isn't that what is needed to preserve the Tibetan culture?
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Drolma on August 25, 2018, 10:13:35 AM
Thank you for sharing with us the real meaning behind the Dalai Lama speech. It is true that if someone is not familiar with the Tibetan custom would think the Dalai Lama was only giving an advice. But for the Tibetans, the Dalai Lama is a god, they will follow what he says regardless.

Clearly, his advise was executed as an order. All the monasteries started to expel Dorje Shugden practitioners and took away Dorje Shugden statues or images. Dorje Shugden practitioners were not allowed to go to the hospitals, shops, restaurants or schools. They will not be given a job in the government departments or any government-owned entity. This is very unfair because these facilities or job opportunities should be given to all Tibetans regardless of their faith, it is their right as part of the community of Tibetans in exile. With all the evidence, the CTA can still deny there is a ban. Bear in mind, the CTA also has a page in their official website dedicated to undermine and condemn Dorje Shugden and Dorje Shugden is not even a person.

But having said that, lately, the Dalai Lama has changed his tone about his stance on several things such as instead of asking for independence, the Dalai Lama now wants only autonomous recognition for Tibet. In addition, he doesn't say the Panchen Lama recognised by the Chinese is fake, he hinted this Panchen Lama can be real. The change of tone might be an indication the Dorje Shugden will come to an end. If the Tibet cause is definitely a failure, there is no need to use Dorje Shugden as a scapegoat anymore as everyone knows the failure is due to the incapability of the CTA, not a Buddha deity. 
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Pema8 on August 26, 2018, 11:07:28 AM
It is really amazing that the Dalai Lama can do such things but still many who are not familiar with Tibet and the system there will never believe that he can do such things.

Indeed it is very stupid from those kind people to not check on DorjeShugden.com and see for themselves what the Dalai Lama does and who he is friend with...

Much to be shocked about as we can see that the Dalai Lama does not protect the Tibetans and even fellow Buddhists such as the Dorje Shugden practitioners! I really don't understand why these things happen and for Bhutan, the same thing, they go against other Buddhist practitioners and call them names and much worse.

What a world are we living in? Even the Dalai Lama is not behaving as we would expect!!!  :-[  :'(
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on August 27, 2018, 02:15:45 PM
It is really amazing that the Dalai Lama can do such things but still many who are not familiar with Tibet and the system there will never believe that he can do such things.

Indeed it is very stupid from those kind people to not check on DorjeShugden.com and see for themselves what the Dalai Lama does and who he is friend with...

Much to be shocked about as we can see that the Dalai Lama does not protect the Tibetans and even fellow Buddhists such as the Dorje Shugden practitioners! I really don't understand why these things happen and for Bhutan, the same thing, they go against other Buddhist practitioners and call them names and much worse.

What a world are we living in? Even the Dalai Lama is not behaving as we would expect!!!  :-[  :'(

Please do not lose faith in His Holiness the Dalai Lama. His Holiness is the emanation of Chenrezig who has perfect wisdom and skillful means. There must be a reason why he acted this way. There must be a bigger picture to all of these. His Holiness the Dalai Lama is always thinking about the Tibetan people. Is it not easy for him to plot and plan for their future but im sure he will come out with the best solution which will benefit the Tibetans in a long run and even after he is no longer around.

One of the reasons why the western people keep saying there is no ban and His Holiness is just "advising" against the practice of Dorje Shugden is because they do not grow up in the Tibetan community and they would not understand the hidden meanings and hidden message. Nevertheless, even if His Holiness did not give the instruction, with the way the Buddhist and secular community are treating the Shugden Buddhist, it is just the same as having a ban. The segregation, discrimination, and suffering are all real and how can they just ignore those and focus solely on what His Holiness has said.

Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Rowntree on August 27, 2018, 11:03:33 PM
People do not like to think. They just like to follow. They do not want to know the truth. They just want to be asked what to do. Most of the time, they just listen and follow. It is much easier for them to do it when the person to follow is the Dalai Lama. There is nothing easier than this. He is an icon of compassion, a Nobel Peace laureate, a leader who promotes non-violence. All the labels are good camouflage of his cruel actions towards the Dorje Shugden Buddhists. He is very smart to speak manipulatively with the correct words he thought many would like to hear. Unless people want to know the truth, he can continue to be who he is and how he is because you have to admit he is the only powerful religious figure in the world.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: dsnowlion on August 28, 2018, 11:30:06 PM
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One of the reasons why the western people keep saying there is no ban and His Holiness is just "advising" against the practice of Dorje Shugden is because they do not grow up in the Tibetan community and they would not understand the hidden meanings and hidden message. Nevertheless, even if His Holiness did not give the instruction, with the way the Buddhist and secular community are treating the Shugden Buddhist, it is just the same as having a ban. The segregation, discrimination, and suffering are all real and how can they just ignore those and focus solely on what His Holiness has said.

That is because the Western people mostly just follow His Holiness every word without checking. And it is because His Holiness says one thing to the Western crowd and another thing to the Tibetans crowd. Of course they would not know, they are not Tibetans and do not know Tibetan culture. I would not know either if my Tibetan friend had not informed me of all this! Only Tibetans know and to the Westerners, it is oblivious. Is very clear in the videos.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Rowntree on September 04, 2018, 02:04:25 PM
It is very strange that the Westerners accept what His Holiness says on face value, no investigation necessary. I bet they are so fascinated with the whole Shangri-la thingie and still, to this day, continue to live in the delusion of the fake Shangri-la ideal that does not exist. Old Tibet was nothing perfect, it was feudal and people are being tortured in the dungeon under the Potala Palace. The Potala Palace is supposed to be the abode of the Buddha of Compassion (Chenresig) and he allows things like this take place beneath his palace. It is fair to say that it is also no surprise that he would manipulate his speech with the different audiences in order to get what he wants.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Vajraprotector on September 08, 2018, 05:18:34 PM
That's the power of the media and marketing. His Holiness the Dalai Lama is very famous now partly because of Western media's influence, painting a picture of Shangri-la, thanks to the backing of Hollywood celebrities like Richard Gere who operates the International Campaign for Tibet, and other supporters. However, this side of the Dalai Lama, only to be seen by Tibetan, but not to be heard - no Tibetan can criticise His Holiness, hence   it is important to highlight that His Holiness may not be so innocent after all in implementing the ban of Dorje Shugden.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: SabS on September 09, 2018, 12:28:15 PM
This article really shows me so much of how nuances play such importance in the Tibetan society. And I am sure the Dalai Lama is the best, being such an effective statesman that his is. 60 years in exile and still under refugee status receiving billions of USD in sponsorships. Wow! Is there any other Leaders that could top him? Not in the history that I know of. Ya, so he says he had relinquished the political position but does anyone believe so? I see the CTA just being the pawn for things that go wrong. But of course Lobsang Sangay doesn't think so since he acts as if the mantle of the Dalai Lama will be passed on to him. The Westerners with their idealistic view of Buddha's enlightened wisdom and compassion seeks to find the "path" with Tibetan Buddhism. If they do see the disparity, why not just ignore and have that false sense of peace. After all those problems don't affect them. Its only the Tibetans, locked in their societal conformity that these affect them deeply. I think although the great harm had been committed on the DS practitioners, there are also those who do not practice and have nothing against the practice, being affected deeply as they are forced to the political correct side to survive. Such a break in society is never ever good. It is so hypocritical to preach peace, harmony, happiness, etc. when its suffering for the DS practitioners. Simply illogical. Buddha taught on a universal basis, not only for certain groups.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: dsnowlion on September 09, 2018, 01:21:01 PM
That's the power of the media and marketing. His Holiness the Dalai Lama is very famous now partly because of Western media's influence, painting a picture of Shangri-la, thanks to the backing of Hollywood celebrities like Richard Gere who operates the International Campaign for Tibet, and other supporters. However, this side of the Dalai Lama, only to be seen by Tibetan, but not to be heard - no Tibetan can criticise His Holiness, hence   it is important to highlight that His Holiness may not be so innocent after all in implementing the ban of Dorje Shugden.

So is the Dalai Lama an enlightened being or not? If we believe he is then why is he doing this? Why is he being 2 faced? Why is he making his people suffer and clamping down on his own lineage and people?

The only logical answer to would give some sanity to this injustice ban is H.H. Trijang Rinpoche's advice on never to lose faith in the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden and that it may appear contradictory but in reality, they are working together to spread the teachings and practice of Dorje Shugden! I really HOPE so!
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on September 15, 2018, 03:04:06 AM
I guess we just have to have trust in H.H. Trijang Rinpoche's prophecy that H.H Dalai Lama is using a different method to promote Buddhism.

I mean what H.H Dalai Lama get from making all these unnecessary problems and so much suffering for his fellow Tibetans? He is filthy rich and famous inherited from his past 13 lifetimes. Unless he is a psychopath that enjoys watching others suffer, I don't think there is any purpose from His Holiness to create these problems.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: PrajNa on September 20, 2018, 03:28:06 AM

So is the Dalai Lama an enlightened being or not? If we believe he is then why is he doing this? Why is he being 2 faced? Why is he making his people suffer and clamping down on his own lineage and people?

The only logical answer to would give some sanity to this injustice ban is H.H. Trijang Rinpoche's advice on never to lose faith in the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden and that it may appear contradictory but in reality, they are working together to spread the teachings and practice of Dorje Shugden! I really HOPE so!

I have heard many lamas said this, especially the older monks in the monastery, and those who strongly believe in this are not disheartened during this time where His Holiness the Dalai Lama is seemingly imposing a strong ban against Dorje Shugden practice. Let's pray that the ban is over soon. There were many old monks who passed away heartbroken because of the ban, it is a very sad situation, although it is for a bigger purpose. 
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: pemachen on September 24, 2018, 03:48:17 AM
I guess we just have to have trust in H.H. Trijang Rinpoche's prophecy that H.H Dalai Lama is using a different method to promote Buddhism.

I mean what H.H Dalai Lama get from making all these unnecessary problems and so much suffering for his fellow Tibetans? He is filthy rich and famous inherited from his past 13 lifetimes. Unless he is a psychopath that enjoys watching others suffer, I don't think there is any purpose from His Holiness to create these problems.


... Yet this Lord of Dharma Protectors exhibited an ability to harm or destroy them, and such events as the
Great Fifth, having been able to summon this Dharmapala to be burned with intense samadhi but not accomplish it, also shows that the enlightening activities of these great masters and those of this Dharmapala are each as mutually universal and pervasive as the other. But some who are narrow minded, not understanding this point, consider this Dharmapala to be like an ordinary worldly being and, with supposed faith in the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama, disparage him; or else they indeed admire this great Dharmapala but criticize the Dalai Lama or Panchen Lama. Using either one as a reason not to admire the other and speaking badly about either in any way is the conduct of an ordinary being who, under the influence of attachment and hatred, just tries to help friends and hurt enemies; it obscures the increase of these great holy Aryas' deeds and creates the karmic cause to experience unbearable suffering in the future.

Why is this true? Because it is utterly impossible that such great beings, who are special emanations of Arya Avalokiteswara and Buddha Amitabha, could lack the power to overcome the harmful force of any sort of magical spell, harmful demon, or spirit. This is because they are both powerful Lords who have overcome external and internal maras without exception.

pp125, Music Delighting the Ocean of Protectors
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/downloads/texts/download-music-delighting-the-ocean-of-protectors/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/downloads/texts/download-music-delighting-the-ocean-of-protectors/)
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: PrajNa on September 27, 2018, 02:41:24 AM
Thank you pemachen for sharing the excerpt from H.H. Trijang Rinpoche's text. It seems consistent with the view that H.H. the Dalai Lama is creating this controversy to benefit others.

I don't think such a master of the mind who has many previous lives benefitting others is a psychopath who wants others to suffer. After all, his immediate previous life,  the 13th Dalai Lama trusted and respected the advice of Dorje Shugden via the medium (oracle), this was stated in “THE GARLAND OF JEWELS: Chronicles of the Successive Emanations of Lord Lokeshvara”. Read the details here: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/dorje-shugden-assists-the-great-13th-dalai-lama/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/dorje-shugden-assists-the-great-13th-dalai-lama/)
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Pema8 on October 01, 2018, 03:05:41 AM
Indeed, the Dalai Lama has no reason to create this terrible situation for Dorje Shugden practitioners but to spread Dorje Shugden by uncommon means.

I believe that the Dalai Lama is an enlightened beings and has only the benefit of all beings in mind, without exception.

Also when we look back historically, the 5th Dalai Lama who also create the schism about Dorje Shugden, we know that he wrote later a praise to Dorje Shugden, made a statue of Dorje Shugden himself and had a chapel built in Lhasa for Dorje Shugden.

See here: Dalai Lama and the Great Fifth http://www.dorjeshugden.com/controversy/videos-controversy/dalai-lama-and-the-great-fifth/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/controversy/videos-controversy/dalai-lama-and-the-great-fifth/)
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: dsnowlion on October 01, 2018, 03:39:20 PM
Well it looks like the Dalai Lama's speeches these days has been nothing positive and just bad press one after another. What he said about refugees should go back to their homeland really stirred a lot of resentment in people. So much so someone even made a YouTube video cursing the Dalai Lama... just watch it. It was really hard to listen to but I guess the Dalai Lama stepped out of line this time...


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Transcript: Dalai Lama is a Racist Nazi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_J_we4rp34 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_J_we4rp34)

Dalai Lama is a piece of shit and a disgusting scumbag. It is, it is insane this cunt comes to Europe and tells us that we should not accept more refugees. Is he fucking retarded? It is amazing, like you don’t expect from people like, like those to be Nazis and to support all the right. It’s just insane a spiritual leader is a fucking Nazi dude. Europe needs more refugees, way more than we already have. Do you understand? And this degenerate says that we should send refugees back to where they came from and that we should help the countries of the refugees. His suggestions are, it’s obvious, like obviously we should help the countries of the, of the refugees, of their origin, but we should not send anyone back. We need more refugees in Europe and we should not deport anyone. We should give money to the refugees so they can stay in Europe and live here. What this Dalai Lama is suggesting is very inhumane, that’s all what I wanted to say. Hopefully in future we will get more migrants in Europe. Hopefully we can help more people. Let’s hope, let’s hope for the better.

Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Questionable on October 01, 2018, 05:49:16 PM
I am pretty sure the Dalai Lama is unaware of the entire refugee problem in Europe seeing how he is staying these things without knowing the background.


However, let me ask this to all of you.  If he isn't an enlightened being, what was the point of Shugden protecting him on his way to China after the Nechung Oracle told him to escape? Do you mean to tell me the deity that dear Kelsang Gyatso persecuted treasure is to be thrown out alongside the Dalai Lama?  What are we to do from there?  Shall we now make a cult that hates the Dalai Lama, reject a deity we all once worshiped that was banned and criticize him for protecting the Dalai Lama, and focus primarily on hating the great vajra masters?  Sure, let's all cause a schism and let's be reborn in Avici Hell as the Buddha warned!  Surely that isn't a bad thing now is it?  Yes, since we're "Buddhists," let's throw out the entire concept of bodhicitta and take our own path from there now shall we?
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Matibhadra on October 03, 2018, 06:11:50 AM
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However, let me ask this to all of you.  If he isn't an enlightened being, what was the point of Shugden protecting him on his way to China after the Nechung Oracle told him to escape?

Together with the evil dalie there were many high beings worth being protected, such as his two tutors, Ling and Trijang Rinpoches.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on October 04, 2018, 10:53:53 AM
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However, let me ask this to all of you.  If he isn't an enlightened being, what was the point of Shugden protecting him on his way to China after the Nechung Oracle told him to escape?

Together with the evil dalie there were many high beings worth being protected, such as his two tutors, Ling and Trijang Rinpoches.


His Holiness the Dalai Lama is definitely trying his best to spread Buddhism in his own way. He is doing a pretty good job so far and Dorje Shugden is such a hot topic and issue right now thanks to him. What can spread faster and further among the people in this degenerate era other than controversy? It is a divine play of His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden with the aim to spread his practice to places of the world where Dharma is impossible to reach with the normal ways of spreading Dharma.

Due to the ban, even China being a nonreligious country involved themselves in the religious matter and even invested in projects that preserve the Dharma in Tibet. If there is no ban, China will not do any of the above because it brings them no benefit to do that. So, them wanting to win over Dalai Lama's followers, they do what His Holiness is doing which is to support Dorje Shugden practice.

This is the strategy of reverse psychology and only His Holiness can use it to trick China to do what he wanted them to do. Only a being with an enlightened mind can think and plan such a brilliant move.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Questionable on October 04, 2018, 05:50:08 PM
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However, let me ask this to all of you.  If he isn't an enlightened being, what was the point of Shugden protecting him on his way to China after the Nechung Oracle told him to escape?

Together with the evil dalie there were many high beings worth being protected, such as his two tutors, Ling and Trijang Rinpoches.


His Holiness the Dalai Lama is definitely trying his best to spread Buddhism in his own way. He is doing a pretty good job so far and Dorje Shugden is such a hot topic and issue right now thanks to him. What can spread faster and further among the people in this degenerate era other than controversy? It is a divine play of His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden with the aim to spread his practice to places of the world where Dharma is impossible to reach with the normal ways of spreading Dharma.

Due to the ban, even China being a nonreligious country involved themselves in the religious matter and even invested in projects that preserve the Dharma in Tibet. If there is no ban, China will not do any of the above because it brings them no benefit to do that. So, them wanting to win over Dalai Lama's followers, they do what His Holiness is doing which is to support Dorje Shugden practice.

This is the strategy of reverse psychology and only His Holiness can use it to trick China to do what he wanted them to do. Only a being with an enlightened mind can think and plan such a brilliant move.
Indeed, his holiness is wise!  May the teachings thus spread and may the bodhisattva manifest if they need to into different forms!
As for the hatred that is quite obvious among some of our vajra siblings here, please try not to ruin eons of karma with hatred against a bodhisattva and distract him from his work.  Though China supports us, let us not comment on the Dalai Lama and focus on the teachings during such fortunate periods.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: PrajNa on October 06, 2018, 06:16:54 PM
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However, let me ask this to all of you.  If he isn't an enlightened being, what was the point of Shugden protecting him on his way to China after the Nechung Oracle told him to escape?

Together with the evil dalie there were many high beings worth being protected, such as his two tutors, Ling and Trijang Rinpoches.


His Holiness the Dalai Lama is definitely trying his best to spread Buddhism in his own way. He is doing a pretty good job so far and Dorje Shugden is such a hot topic and issue right now thanks to him. What can spread faster and further among the people in this degenerate era other than controversy? It is a divine play of His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden with the aim to spread his practice to places of the world where Dharma is impossible to reach with the normal ways of spreading Dharma.



I agree with you on this. I cannot fathom why His Holiness can be so contradictory and inconsistent in his reasons for the Dorje Shugden ban. He's also very unclear and keep switching the reasons for the ban. First you can't practice, and monks are encouraged to be expelled. Later, His Holiness said he never said peoeple cannot practice. So definitely there is divine reason for all these dramas.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on October 07, 2018, 03:57:57 PM
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However, let me ask this to all of you.  If he isn't an enlightened being, what was the point of Shugden protecting him on his way to China after the Nechung Oracle told him to escape?

Together with the evil dalie there were many high beings worth being protected, such as his two tutors, Ling and Trijang Rinpoches.


His Holiness the Dalai Lama is definitely trying his best to spread Buddhism in his own way. He is doing a pretty good job so far and Dorje Shugden is such a hot topic and issue right now thanks to him. What can spread faster and further among the people in this degenerate era other than controversy? It is a divine play of His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden with the aim to spread his practice to places of the world where Dharma is impossible to reach with the normal ways of spreading Dharma.



I agree with you on this. I cannot fathom why His Holiness can be so contradictory and inconsistent in his reasons for the Dorje Shugden ban. He's also very unclear and keep switching the reasons for the ban. First you can't practice, and monks are encouraged to be expelled. Later, His Holiness said he never said peoeple cannot practice. So definitely there is divine reason for all these dramas.

I believe His Holiness to be the emanation of Chenrezig, Buddha of Compassion. I have no doubt on that. It has been mentioned by His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche in his works that this will happen and it seems like they are fighting but in fact, they are not. They are just helping each other in promoting Dharma. The They in the context will be the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden.

It is impossible for an attained being like His Holiness the Dalai Lama that reincarnated perfectly back into human realm to continue his legacy will suddenly be unreliable and make mistakes that create more harm than good. Attained beings like the Dalai Lama do not degenerate because they had reached a level in their practice that does not degenerate. There is no one in the world can spread Buddhism to the whole world like His Holiness the Dalai Lama.

The Shugden ban has to be a divine play. For normal human beings like me, we will not be able to understand the picture fully. It may seem negative at first but luckily I have a spiritual guide that explained this to me. Even though there is a ban on Dorje Shugden's practice, if you examine it closer, Dorje Shugden practice is growing instead of declining. The practice had reached more people than ever due to its controversial nature and even non-Buddhist would like to know what's going on with the controversy. Dorje Shugden had connected with so many people due to this ban compared to before. Hence, it is good for us to maintain faith in His Holiness and not have negative feelings and focus on our practice.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: PrajNa on October 09, 2018, 04:14:53 AM

I believe His Holiness to be the emanation of Chenrezig, Buddha of Compassion. I have no doubt on that. It has been mentioned by His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche in his works that this will happen and it seems like they are fighting but in fact, they are not. They are just helping each other in promoting Dharma. The They in the context will be the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden.

It is impossible for an attained being like His Holiness the Dalai Lama that reincarnated perfectly back into human realm to continue his legacy will suddenly be unreliable and make mistakes that create more harm than good. Attained beings like the Dalai Lama do not degenerate because they had reached a level in their practice that does not degenerate. There is no one in the world can spread Buddhism to the whole world like His Holiness the Dalai Lama.

The Shugden ban has to be a divine play. For normal human beings like me, we will not be able to understand the picture fully. It may seem negative at first but luckily I have a spiritual guide that explained this to me. Even though there is a ban on Dorje Shugden's practice, if you examine it closer, Dorje Shugden practice is growing instead of declining. The practice had reached more people than ever due to its controversial nature and even non-Buddhist would like to know what's going on with the controversy. Dorje Shugden had connected with so many people due to this ban compared to before. Hence, it is good for us to maintain faith in His Holiness and not have negative feelings and focus on our practice.

Yes, I have heard some lamas talking about this before, that Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche has mentioned his long ago before the ban started. It is too bad that not many know about this and some old monks die heartbroken thinking that this conflict is causing His Holiness the Dalai Lama's displeasure with monks who practise Dorje Shugden.  :(
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Rowntree on October 14, 2018, 07:02:20 PM
Divine play or not, you cannot justify how so many are hurt and sacrifice because of what the Dalai Lama said. More than 150 self-immolated, many families were broken, many are harmed and etc. because of what he has said. Are you saying that divine play has all the rights to cause harm also?
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: PrajNa on October 29, 2018, 11:04:41 PM
Until today, I still cannot understand why His Holiness the Dalai Lama permits Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche, the present incarnation of the Dalai Lama’s teacher to continue practising Dorje Shugden, if he thinks that the practice is wrong. It doesn't make sense. I believe this is His Holiness manifesting mistake and error, because how can a debate master like His Holiness says things that are contradictory, especially in this matter related to practice? Thoughts, anyone?

https://youtu.be/pWi1fJkTA9Q
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: pemachen on November 05, 2018, 01:06:44 AM
Until today, I still cannot understand why His Holiness the Dalai Lama permits Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche, the present incarnation of the Dalai Lama’s teacher to continue practising Dorje Shugden, if he thinks that the practice is wrong. It doesn't make sense. I believe this is His Holiness manifesting mistake and error, because how can a debate master like His Holiness says things that are contradictory, especially in this matter related to practice? Thoughts, anyone?

[url]https://youtu.be/pWi1fJkTA9Q[/url] ([url]https://youtu.be/pWi1fJkTA9Q[/url])


I agree that it is His Holiness manifesting mistake and error. Back in November 2017, Nepalis were furious about His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s statement that Buddha was born in India, and not Nepal. How can such a great debater, a scholar of Sutra and Tantra make such an unskillful comment? For those who are not aware of this, you can read here: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-14th-dalai-lama-angers-nepal/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-14th-dalai-lama-angers-nepal/)



After all, being such a great scholar he is, how could he make such an unskillful comment
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on November 06, 2018, 03:04:35 AM
Until today, I still cannot understand why His Holiness the Dalai Lama permits Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche, the present incarnation of the Dalai Lama’s teacher to continue practising Dorje Shugden, if he thinks that the practice is wrong. It doesn't make sense. I believe this is His Holiness manifesting mistake and error, because how can a debate master like His Holiness says things that are contradictory, especially in this matter related to practice? Thoughts, anyone?

https://youtu.be/pWi1fJkTA9Q

I think His Holiness is trying to throw the public off by allowing the reincarnation of his Guru, Kyabje Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche to practice Dorje Shugden practice which he labelled himself a spirit practice. If practising Dorje Shugden is really what CTA said, why would he allow Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche to go down that path? Where is his compassion to save the reincarnation of his Guru from going down to the path of 3 lower realms?

From this action, we can see that he knows that Dorje Shugden practice is not a harming practice. He knows that Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche is on the right path and there is no harm in practising Dorje Shugden. That is why he allowed it. It is against his Bodhisattva vows to see one is going off to a path that harms them and not save them.

His Holiness has been contradicting himself on several things about Dorje Shugden practice. This is just one of it. Another good example will be his recognition of all these Dorje Shugden Tulkus. All of them are strong Dorje Shugden practitioners in their previous lives up until they pass away. If Dorje Shugden practitioners will go to hell, why are these tulkus reincarnating back as a human and be in Dharma from a young age? His Holiness the Dalai Lama even recognise them as the reincarnation of those Dorje Shugden lamas. Examples will be Zong Choktrul Rinpoche, Domo Geshe Rinpoche and Lama Yeshe.


Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: pemachen on November 06, 2018, 04:26:09 AM

I think His Holiness is trying to throw the public off by allowing the reincarnation of his Guru, Kyabje Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche to practice Dorje Shugden practice which he labelled himself a spirit practice. If practising Dorje Shugden is really what CTA said, why would he allow Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche to go down that path? Where is his compassion to save the reincarnation of his Guru from going down to the path of 3 lower realms?

From this action, we can see that he knows that Dorje Shugden practice is not a harming practice. He knows that Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche is on the right path and there is no harm in practising Dorje Shugden. That is why he allowed it. It is against his Bodhisattva vows to see one is going off to a path that harms them and not save them.

His Holiness has been contradicting himself on several things about Dorje Shugden practice. This is just one of it. Another good example will be his recognition of all these Dorje Shugden Tulkus. All of them are strong Dorje Shugden practitioners in their previous lives up until they pass away. If Dorje Shugden practitioners will go to hell, why are these tulkus reincarnating back as a human and be in Dharma from a young age? His Holiness the Dalai Lama even recognise them as the reincarnation of those Dorje Shugden lamas. Examples will be Zong Choktrul Rinpoche, Domo Geshe Rinpoche and Lama Yeshe.

What Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche wrote on page 125 in his text "Music Delighting the Ocean of Protectors" clearly tells us to not doubt or disparage His Holiness the Dalai Lama, nor consider this Dharmapala (Dorje Shugden) as an ordinary worldly being. This supports the point that His Holiness the Dalai Lama is creating the ban on Dorje Shugden for a higher purpose.

"Yet this Lord of Dharma Protectors exhibited an ability to harm or destroy them, and such events as the Great Fifth, having been able to summon this Dharmapala to be burned with intense samadhi but not accomplish it, also shows that the enlightening activities of these great masters and those of this Dharmapala are each as mutually universal and pervasive as the other. But some who are narrow minded, not understanding this point, consider this Dharmapala to be like an ordinary worldly being and, with supposed faith in the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama, disparage him; or else they indeed admire this great Dharmapala but criticize the Dalai Lama or Panchen Lama. Using either one as a reason not to admire the other and speaking badly about either in any way is the conduct of an ordinary being who, under the influence of attachment and hatred, just tries to help friends and hurt enemies; it obscures the increase of these great holy Aryas' deeds and creates the karmic cause to experience unbearable suffering in the future.

Why is this true? Because it is utterly impossible that such great beings, who are special emanations of Arya Avalokiteswara and Buddha Amitabha, could lack the power to overcome the harmful force of any sort of magical spell, harmful demon, or spirit. This is because they are both powerful Lords who have overcome external and internal maras without exception."
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: PrajNa on November 09, 2018, 04:27:31 AM

"Yet this Lord of Dharma Protectors exhibited an ability to harm or destroy them, and such events as the Great Fifth, having been able to summon this Dharmapala to be burned with intense samadhi but not accomplish it, also shows that the enlightening activities of these great masters and those of this Dharmapala are each as mutually universal and pervasive as the other. But some who are narrow minded, not understanding this point, consider this Dharmapala to be like an ordinary worldly being and, with supposed faith in the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama, disparage him; or else they indeed admire this great Dharmapala but criticize the Dalai Lama or Panchen Lama. Using either one as a reason not to admire the other and speaking badly about either in any way is the conduct of an ordinary being who, under the influence of attachment and hatred, just tries to help friends and hurt enemies; it obscures the increase of these great holy Aryas' deeds and creates the karmic cause to experience unbearable suffering in the future.

Why is this true? Because it is utterly impossible that such great beings, who are special emanations of Arya Avalokiteswara and Buddha Amitabha, could lack the power to overcome the harmful force of any sort of magical spell, harmful demon, or spirit. This is because they are both powerful Lords who have overcome external and internal maras without exception."

Thank you for sharing this excerpts. Indeed, if Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche spoke about this way before the ban started, I believe this is the workings of the Bodhisattvas Chenrezig, who's working to get Buddhism to many. Chenrezig (Dalai Lama) and Manjushri (Dorje Shugden). It is clearly mentioned above that we should not disparage the Dharmapala Dorje Shugden or criticise the Dalai Lama or Panchen Lama. Unfortunately, many ignorant Tibetans and Tibetan Buddhists are doing this now. I wish more people can read this great work of Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on November 12, 2018, 12:45:09 PM

"Yet this Lord of Dharma Protectors exhibited an ability to harm or destroy them, and such events as the Great Fifth, having been able to summon this Dharmapala to be burned with intense samadhi but not accomplish it, also shows that the enlightening activities of these great masters and those of this Dharmapala are each as mutually universal and pervasive as the other. But some who are narrow minded, not understanding this point, consider this Dharmapala to be like an ordinary worldly being and, with supposed faith in the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama, disparage him; or else they indeed admire this great Dharmapala but criticize the Dalai Lama or Panchen Lama. Using either one as a reason not to admire the other and speaking badly about either in any way is the conduct of an ordinary being who, under the influence of attachment and hatred, just tries to help friends and hurt enemies; it obscures the increase of these great holy Aryas' deeds and creates the karmic cause to experience unbearable suffering in the future.

Why is this true? Because it is utterly impossible that such great beings, who are special emanations of Arya Avalokiteswara and Buddha Amitabha, could lack the power to overcome the harmful force of any sort of magical spell, harmful demon, or spirit. This is because they are both powerful Lords who have overcome external and internal maras without exception."

Thank you for sharing this excerpts. Indeed, if Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche spoke about this way before the ban started, I believe this is the workings of the Bodhisattvas Chenrezig, who's working to get Buddhism to many. Chenrezig (Dalai Lama) and Manjushri (Dorje Shugden). It is clearly mentioned above that we should not disparage the Dharmapala Dorje Shugden or criticise the Dalai Lama or Panchen Lama. Unfortunately, many ignorant Tibetans and Tibetan Buddhists are doing this now. I wish more people can read this great work of Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche.

Even if Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche did not give that advice, we should not be acting the way we are acting towards an enlightened being and also a highly attained monk like His Holiness the Dalai Lama. Buddha taught us to be kind and compassionate even to our enemies. We should not act hostile towards anyone even if we do not agree with any side on the Dorje Shugden ban issue.

Many people showed hostility towards Dorje Shugden practitioners who did nothing wrong but staying true to their Guru samaya and practised Dorje Shugden. However, they are being treated very badly and stripped of their human rights included going to a hospital to receive medical treatment. This is one of the most basic human necessity but just because of their religious choice, they are being denied from it.

Dorje Shugden practitioners should not say bad things about His Holiness the Dalai Lama as well. Even if there is unjust in the treatment of Dorje Shugden practitioners, we should not have anger towards His Holiness because it is not our pracice to be like that. Dorje Shugden practice is a practice of love and compassion and we should carry ourselves better.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: pemachen on November 28, 2018, 09:37:38 PM

Even if Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche did not give that advice, we should not be acting the way we are acting towards an enlightened being and also a highly attained monk like His Holiness the Dalai Lama. Buddha taught us to be kind and compassionate even to our enemies. We should not act hostile towards anyone even if we do not agree with any side on the Dorje Shugden ban issue.

Many people showed hostility towards Dorje Shugden practitioners who did nothing wrong but staying true to their Guru samaya and practised Dorje Shugden. However, they are being treated very badly and stripped of their human rights included going to a hospital to receive medical treatment. This is one of the most basic human necessity but just because of their religious choice, they are being denied from it.

Dorje Shugden practitioners should not say bad things about His Holiness the Dalai Lama as well. Even if there is unjust in the treatment of Dorje Shugden practitioners, we should not have anger towards His Holiness because it is not our practice to be like that. Dorje Shugden practice is a practice of love and compassion and we should carry ourselves better.

This practice was never a problem for hundreds of years, but suddenly, the Central Tibetan Administration decided that it is a problem. It's extremely illogical.

I agree with you, we definitely should not be rude and slander highly attained monks like His Holiness the Dalai Lama and others. There are many Dorje Shugden lamas who are highly realised although they manifest the appearance of a normal monk. It's weird that some Tibetan Buddhists who don't know the skilful means of this method or illusory play, thinking that His Holiness the Dalai Lama are against the Dorje Shugden monks/lamas.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: PrajNa on December 04, 2018, 01:04:05 AM
I just revisited an old post from DorjeShugden.com.

"The Dalai Lama is very skillful and he foresaw what the Chinese would do for Dorje Shugden. Some would argue it was shrewdness and some would say it was clairvoyance of Chenrezig. It doesn’t matter. Through his ban alone created so much hype and promotion that no pujas or marketing team could have brought Dorje Shugden to the world in such a quick manner. That means the Dalai Lama have never forsaken his lineage and Lamas. In fact, he risked everything for it."

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From this post, Proof of the bigger picture – Chinese demanded monks to worship Shugden
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/proof-of-the-bigger-picture-chinese-demanded-monks-to-worship-shugden/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/proof-of-the-bigger-picture-chinese-demanded-monks-to-worship-shugden/)

It has always been dorjeshugden.com’s firm stand that His Holiness the Dalai Lama is purposely creating the ban on Dorje Shugden with a bigger picture at the back of His mind, which is actually to promote Dorje Shugden, especially in the Chinese world, where a renaissance of Buddhism is expected to happen.

Below’s account is a proof that the Chinese are actually promoting Dorje Shugden (despite with less-than-holy reasons) in China, just as what His Holiness has intended secretly.

From Big Uncle in the Forum
We could have seen this coming. It is just a matter of time that the Chinese would come clean with this. They are doing it covertly now and perhaps later, they will be more open and forceful about this especially when the Dalai Lama is not with us anymore. The Chinese would do anything to break the independent spirt of the Tibetan people, which appears to be embodied by their belief in the Dalai Lama.

(http://www.dorjeshugden.com/images/woeser2.jpg)

In that way, the Dalai Lama is very skillful and he foresaw what the Chinese would do for Dorje Shugden. Some would argue it was shrewdness and some would say it was clairvoyance of Chenrezig. It doesn’t matter. Through his ban alone created so much hype and promotion that no pujas or marketing team could have brought Dorje Shugden to the world in such a quick manner. That means the Dalai Lama have never forsaken his lineage and Lamas. In fact, he risked everything for it.

He knew many Shugden practitioners would have to ‘suffer’ for Dorje Shugden to grow big. Some would argue that he is not very compassionate. Real practitioners will say that he is very skillful and that he was working for a bigger picture to be realized. Whatever the viewpoint, the Dalai Lama would be remembered by the results of his actions.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: pemachen on December 15, 2018, 05:06:59 AM
I just revisited an old post from DorjeShugden.com.

"The Dalai Lama is very skillful and he foresaw what the Chinese would do for Dorje Shugden. Some would argue it was shrewdness and some would say it was clairvoyance of Chenrezig. It doesn’t matter. Through his ban alone created so much hype and promotion that no pujas or marketing team could have brought Dorje Shugden to the world in such a quick manner. That means the Dalai Lama have never forsaken his lineage and Lamas. In fact, he risked everything for it."



Thanks Prajna for sharing this information. Indeed I have heard some old monks talking about His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche's prediction and advice in the 1970s, that in the future (which is now), it may seem that His Holiness the Dalai Lama and the Protector are fighting against each other, but do not lose hope in both. This goes along the line of what you mentioned above.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: PrajNa on December 20, 2018, 05:26:11 AM
I do believe that His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama is Chenrezig too. Not sure if Pemachen you remember, on 25th April 2018, His Holiness the Dalai Lama made a remark about the Chinese Panchen Lama. His Holiness spoke upon his arrival at Gaggal Airport in Dharamsala that it is not unusual for enlightened beings to have as many reincarnations all appearing at the same time, citing the example of a famous Tibetan Buddhist master Khyentse Wangpo.

This again shows His Holiness is very skilful, and what His Holiness meant was that both the Chinese-enthroned 11th Panchen Lama (Gyaincain Norbu) and his 1995 candidate, Gedhun Choekyi Nyima are equally rightful heirs to the throne of the Panchen Lama and, in fact, the Dalai Lama acknowledges the Chinese Panchen Lama to be the official 11th Panchen Lama. What the Dalai Lama said is tantamount to an endorsing the Chinese-enthroned 11th Panchen Lama Bainqen Erdini Qoigyijabu (Panchen Gyaincain Norbu) and a recognition of his legitimacy as an emanation of the highest-ranking Tibetan Buddhist lama in Tibet, in the Dalai Lama’s absence. I don't know how all this will play out in the future, but definitely, His Holiness is a master of speech.

Click this link here to play the video: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/videos/play.php?f=http://video.dorjeshugden.com/videos/11PanchenLamaIsAlive.mp4&w=640&h=360&i=http://video.dorjeshugden.com/images/11PanchenLamaIsAlive.jpg (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/videos/play.php?f=http://video.dorjeshugden.com/videos/11PanchenLamaIsAlive.mp4&w=640&h=360&i=http://video.dorjeshugden.com/images/11PanchenLamaIsAlive.jpg)
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: pemachen on December 27, 2018, 03:41:18 AM
Sorry PrajNa, I was away for holiday. Yes, I remember His Holiness the Dalai Lama made a remark about the Chinese Panchen Lama. In fact, nobody asked His Holiness about the Chinese Panchen Lama. It is odd that His Holiness just brought it up, and in his own way, confirmed that Gyaincain Norbu can possibly be one of the many reincarnations as many reincarnations can all appear at the same time, just like Khyentse Wangpo.

I wonder if this is a political move as advised by the Chinese due to the negotiation of Samdhong Rinpoche's private/secret trip to China at the end of 2017? I do hope to see the reconciliation between His Holiness the Dalai Lama and the 11th Panchen Lama, that would be great news for us Tibetan Buddhists.

Thanks for the video links.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: PrajNa on January 10, 2019, 05:25:34 AM
His Holiness the Dalai Lama is really skilled in his speech and a seasoned politician. You can see in the recent interview below, which I have quoted some of the texts. 

‘My body is Tibetan but spiritually I’m an Indian,’ says the Dalai Lama
In a freewheeling interview with HT, the Dalai Lama speaks on wide-ranging spiritual and political issues, including what he thinks of India-China ties.

On Sunday morning after he discreetly meets a group of monks that has made its way from Tibet Autonomous Region of China, the frail looking but mentally alert 84-year-old spiritual leader of the Tibetan people talked exclusively to Shishir Gupta on wide-ranging political and spiritual issues. Edited excerpts:


How is your health these days?
Quite Good… Not very good ….. for an 84-year-old person, quite good. I go for morning walks in Dharamshala also….Here I take around 600 steps each morning in the monastery.


What was the reason for indefinite postponement of the 13th Religious Conference of the Schools of Tibetan Buddhism and Bon Tradition (November 29-December 1, 2018) in Dharamshala? The conference was called to discuss the future of the institution of Dalai Lama.
One important lama (Kathok Getse Rinpoche, Head of Nyingma school) all of a sudden passed away. The conference had to be postponed as it was a period of mourning . It has nothing to do with 17th Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje not getting a visa to visit India. I could not meet Thaye Dorje as he was not present when I went for pilgrimage to the Stupa.


Do you talk to both Ogyen and Thaye ?
No I have not yet met Thaye Dorje. Recently, the two met in France. A rightful beginning. Shamar Rinpoche, nephew of 16th Karmapa Rangjung Rigpe Dorje who took refuge in Sikkim after 1959 uprising, told me that there were indications that Thaye Dorje was reincarnation of the previous Karmapa. In the meantime, Situ Rinpoche (the rival regent) appointed Ogyen Dorje as the Karmapa. I mentioned to Shamar that a high lama in 19th century had five reincarnations. It is possible for 16th Karmapa to have few reincarnations but the holder of the seat should be one. This is like the two Panchen Lamas with Gedhun Choekyi Nyima (proclaimed by Dalai Lama as reincarnation on May 14, 1995) still alive (other being Gyaltsen Norbu who was appointed by the Chinese government). But then some group told me that I should not be talking about the possibility of two or three reincarnations. I said, OK, then I will keep quiet.



Then who will decide the rightful one heir to the seat?
Situ Rinpoche found a remarkable child (Ogyen Dorje) in Tibet. They came to see me and finalise that. Then I said yes to Ogyen as the reincarnation of the 16th Karmapa.


There are now two Panchen Lamas, two Karmapas, now the question comes to the tallest lama, the Dalai Lama. Have you initiated the process of your reincarnation because the Chinese government has already initiated the process?
No, no, no. That is not my business. I made it clear as early as in 1969 that it was up to the Tibetan people to decide whether the very institution of Dalai Lama should continue or not. They will decide. I have no concern. Since the 5th Dalai Lama, the (person holding the) title was the head of both temporal and spiritual affairs. Since 2001, I have proudly, voluntarily and happily given up the political role. We have already achieved elected political leadership (Centralized Tibetan Administration in Dharmshala) and they carry their full responsibility about our temporal affairs. I have totally retired since 2011. So my thinking is more liberal than Chinese thinking which is more orthodox.


But how will people under stress in Tibet decide whether the institution of Dalai Lama should continue?
It should be decided in a free country, not in Tibet, where there is no freedom.


Have you initiated the process of dialogue on the Dalai Lama institution?
No. Formally, not yet. As the Dalai Lama institution is close to Mongolia, Mongolian people should be involved. I think there should be an international Buddhist conference involving Himalayan people and other Buddhist countries to decide on this. My main concern is that my body, speech, mind and life should be useful to other people. So long as space remains and suffering remains, I remain. My daily prayer is the source of my inner strength. This institution of Dalai Lama, I half-jokingly, half-seriously say, has lasted six to seven hundred years should cease with the 14th with grace. If the 15th Dalai Lama turns out to be naughty as the sixth then the institution will cease in disgrace. The institution could voluntarily and democratically cease with the 14th Dalai Lama being quite famous (he laughs).


Has your middle way approach with China worked ? Is it going to benefit Tibetans at all?
Oh yes. Like Germany and France after centuries of fighting came together after second World War to form European Union on shared common values, we also want to be part of Peoples Republic of China provided the Tibetan culture, language, knowledge and environment are protected. We get more economic benefit for material development as China is rich economically but spiritually we can help million of Chinese Buddhists. This is mutually beneficial. Historically, Tibet has never been part of China and this even some Chinese historians admit. But past is past, we have to live harmoniously and happily together rather than talk in terms of our nation and their nation. People ask me about the future of India and China relations. I say that neither India nor China has the capability to destroy each other. They have to live happily side by side with minor irritants. Ultimately, Hindi-Chini bhai bhai should be the principle. One must remember that there are around 400 million Chinese Buddhists who are inspired by Tibetan Buddhism, which in turn derives majority of its strength from the Nalanda traditions.


from: https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/my-body-is-tibetan-but-spiritually-i-m-an-indian-says-the-dalai-lama/story-JmKwGqf86pOwsGHuYO4RUP.html (https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/my-body-is-tibetan-but-spiritually-i-m-an-indian-says-the-dalai-lama/story-JmKwGqf86pOwsGHuYO4RUP.html)
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on January 10, 2019, 06:36:15 AM
His Holiness the Dalai Lama is really skilled in his speech and a seasoned politician. You can see in the recent interview below, which I have quoted some of the texts. 

‘My body is Tibetan but spiritually I’m an Indian,’ says the Dalai Lama
In a freewheeling interview with HT, the Dalai Lama speaks on wide-ranging spiritual and political issues, including what he thinks of India-China ties.

On Sunday morning after he discreetly meets a group of monks that has made its way from Tibet Autonomous Region of China, the frail looking but mentally alert 84-year-old spiritual leader of the Tibetan people talked exclusively to Shishir Gupta on wide-ranging political and spiritual issues. Edited excerpts:


How is your health these days?
Quite Good… Not very good ….. for an 84-year-old person, quite good. I go for morning walks in Dharamshala also….Here I take around 600 steps each morning in the monastery.


What was the reason for indefinite postponement of the 13th Religious Conference of the Schools of Tibetan Buddhism and Bon Tradition (November 29-December 1, 2018) in Dharamshala? The conference was called to discuss the future of the institution of Dalai Lama.
One important lama (Kathok Getse Rinpoche, Head of Nyingma school) all of a sudden passed away. The conference had to be postponed as it was a period of mourning . It has nothing to do with 17th Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje not getting a visa to visit India. I could not meet Thaye Dorje as he was not present when I went for pilgrimage to the Stupa.


Do you talk to both Ogyen and Thaye ?
No I have not yet met Thaye Dorje. Recently, the two met in France. A rightful beginning. Shamar Rinpoche, nephew of 16th Karmapa Rangjung Rigpe Dorje who took refuge in Sikkim after 1959 uprising, told me that there were indications that Thaye Dorje was reincarnation of the previous Karmapa. In the meantime, Situ Rinpoche (the rival regent) appointed Ogyen Dorje as the Karmapa. I mentioned to Shamar that a high lama in 19th century had five reincarnations. It is possible for 16th Karmapa to have few reincarnations but the holder of the seat should be one. This is like the two Panchen Lamas with Gedhun Choekyi Nyima (proclaimed by Dalai Lama as reincarnation on May 14, 1995) still alive (other being Gyaltsen Norbu who was appointed by the Chinese government). But then some group told me that I should not be talking about the possibility of two or three reincarnations. I said, OK, then I will keep quiet.



Then who will decide the rightful one heir to the seat?
Situ Rinpoche found a remarkable child (Ogyen Dorje) in Tibet. They came to see me and finalise that. Then I said yes to Ogyen as the reincarnation of the 16th Karmapa.


There are now two Panchen Lamas, two Karmapas, now the question comes to the tallest lama, the Dalai Lama. Have you initiated the process of your reincarnation because the Chinese government has already initiated the process?
No, no, no. That is not my business. I made it clear as early as in 1969 that it was up to the Tibetan people to decide whether the very institution of Dalai Lama should continue or not. They will decide. I have no concern. Since the 5th Dalai Lama, the (person holding the) title was the head of both temporal and spiritual affairs. Since 2001, I have proudly, voluntarily and happily given up the political role. We have already achieved elected political leadership (Centralized Tibetan Administration in Dharmshala) and they carry their full responsibility about our temporal affairs. I have totally retired since 2011. So my thinking is more liberal than Chinese thinking which is more orthodox.


But how will people under stress in Tibet decide whether the institution of Dalai Lama should continue?
It should be decided in a free country, not in Tibet, where there is no freedom.


Have you initiated the process of dialogue on the Dalai Lama institution?
No. Formally, not yet. As the Dalai Lama institution is close to Mongolia, Mongolian people should be involved. I think there should be an international Buddhist conference involving Himalayan people and other Buddhist countries to decide on this. My main concern is that my body, speech, mind and life should be useful to other people. So long as space remains and suffering remains, I remain. My daily prayer is the source of my inner strength. This institution of Dalai Lama, I half-jokingly, half-seriously say, has lasted six to seven hundred years should cease with the 14th with grace. If the 15th Dalai Lama turns out to be naughty as the sixth then the institution will cease in disgrace. The institution could voluntarily and democratically cease with the 14th Dalai Lama being quite famous (he laughs).


Has your middle way approach with China worked ? Is it going to benefit Tibetans at all?
Oh yes. Like Germany and France after centuries of fighting came together after second World War to form European Union on shared common values, we also want to be part of Peoples Republic of China provided the Tibetan culture, language, knowledge and environment are protected. We get more economic benefit for material development as China is rich economically but spiritually we can help million of Chinese Buddhists. This is mutually beneficial. Historically, Tibet has never been part of China and this even some Chinese historians admit. But past is past, we have to live harmoniously and happily together rather than talk in terms of our nation and their nation. People ask me about the future of India and China relations. I say that neither India nor China has the capability to destroy each other. They have to live happily side by side with minor irritants. Ultimately, Hindi-Chini bhai bhai should be the principle. One must remember that there are around 400 million Chinese Buddhists who are inspired by Tibetan Buddhism, which in turn derives majority of its strength from the Nalanda traditions.


from: https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/my-body-is-tibetan-but-spiritually-i-m-an-indian-says-the-dalai-lama/story-JmKwGqf86pOwsGHuYO4RUP.html (https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/my-body-is-tibetan-but-spiritually-i-m-an-indian-says-the-dalai-lama/story-JmKwGqf86pOwsGHuYO4RUP.html)

So now His Holiness the Dalai Lama is blaming others for keeping quiet on saying there is a possibility that a lama can have several emanations. He is very skilled to say that because now he can acknowledge the Chinese's Panchen Lama as an authentic incarnation while not getting the blame for not accepting China's Panchen Lama in the first place.

Who on earth can tell His Holiness the Dalai Lama to keep quiet? No one in CTA has the audacity and authority to do so. It is clear that it is His Holiness who chose to not acknowledge China's Panchen Lama in the first place and now he will say that so that he can be innocent while accomplishing what he needs to do. He is indeed a seasoned politician.

Now that he needs to be on China's good side, he will start to act innocent and change his statements on several issues. He has started with Panchen Lama issue and hopefully he will do so for Dorje Shugden ban as well. He can say that it was CTA's idea to ban the deity and push the blame to CTA while lifting the ban on Dorje Shugden. Since China is promoting Dorje Shugden practice now, it will be a good way to get on their good books by doing that.

Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: pemachen on January 12, 2019, 06:25:05 AM

Who on earth can tell His Holiness the Dalai Lama to keep quiet? No one in CTA has the audacity and authority to do so. It is clear that it is His Holiness who chose to not acknowledge China's Panchen Lama in the first place and now he will say that so that he can be innocent while accomplishing what he needs to do. He is indeed a seasoned politician.

Now that he needs to be on China's good side, he will start to act innocent and change his statements on several issues. He has started with Panchen Lama issue and hopefully he will do so for Dorje Shugden ban as well. He can say that it was CTA's idea to ban the deity and push the blame to CTA while lifting the ban on Dorje Shugden. Since China is promoting Dorje Shugden practice now, it will be a good way to get on their good books by doing that.

Indeed no one can tell His Holiness the Dalai Lama what to say or not say, he's still the ultimate authority and we all know Lobsang Sangay is just a puppet ruler.

If you look at the contrasting message, expression or tone His Holiness had said about the Dorje Shugden ban, it's very clear all of these were His Holiness' manipulation. For better or worse, I don't know. But it is very clear it contradicts each other, and I don't think His Holiness is schizophrenic.

There doesn't seem to be any repercussions if you choose not to follow the advise but for the Tibetans it is very clear.  But now, why is the Central Tibetan Administration "treating fish and turnips as one" ? Suddenly the Chinese Panchen Lama is one of the emanations, after years of protests against the imprisonment/kidnapping organised by Tibetans around the world annually on April 25? After 20 over years of saying the Chinese Panchen is fake, now suddenly Gyancain Norbu is the "official Panchen Lama" vs "the one that I [Dalai Lama] recognised".  Not only that, now Karmapa Thaye Dorje is also an "emanation" 8). I wonder if China will use the same tactic, appointing their own 15th Dalai Lama and said that he's an emanation too :o? Well, same logic?  8) ;D
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: PrajNa on January 17, 2019, 03:56:30 PM

If you look at the contrasting message, expression or tone His Holiness had said about the Dorje Shugden ban, it's very clear all of these were His Holiness' manipulation. For better or worse, I don't know. But it is very clear it contradicts each other, and I don't think His Holiness is schizophrenic.

There doesn't seem to be any repercussions if you choose not to follow the advise but for the Tibetans it is very clear.  But now, why is the Central Tibetan Administration "treating fish and turnips as one" ? Suddenly the Chinese Panchen Lama is one of the emanations, after years of protests against the imprisonment/kidnapping organised by Tibetans around the world annually on April 25? After 20 over years of saying the Chinese Panchen is fake, now suddenly Gyancain Norbu is the "official Panchen Lama" vs "the one that I [Dalai Lama] recognised".  Not only that, now Karmapa Thaye Dorje is also an "emanation" 8). I wonder if China will use the same tactic, appointing their own 15th Dalai Lama and said that he's an emanation too :o? Well, same logic?  8) ;D

His Holiness is very skilled in his speech to create another angle to explain things. So, by the same logic as you mentioned, if there are now many emanations, of course, China can use the same logic too, but the Tibetans in India or in exile will not agree with China.   8)
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Harold Musetescu on January 18, 2019, 02:28:23 AM
The Dalai Lama is now tell the world that there can be multiple emanations of the same Tulku.

Can anyone say TWO 15th Dalai Lama's.

Not the 14th Dalai Lama.

One 15th Dalai Lama from India (anti Dorje Shugden) and one from China (Pro Dorje Shugden).
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: pemachen on January 21, 2019, 04:31:42 AM
The Dalai Lama is now tell the world that there can be multiple emanations of the same Tulku.

Can anyone say TWO 15th Dalai Lama's.

Not the 14th Dalai Lama.

One 15th Dalai Lama from India (anti Dorje Shugden) and one from China (Pro Dorje Shugden).

We know China will definitely install their own Dalai Lama. But since it was His Holiness the Dalai Lama himself who proposed this idea of various emanations or reincarnations, it just makes it easier for China to recognise their own Dalai Lama. They already did with their Panchen Lama.  8)
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Tracy on January 22, 2019, 06:26:17 AM
I do believe that His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama is Chenrezig too. Not sure if Pemachen you remember, on 25th April 2018, His Holiness the Dalai Lama made a remark about the Chinese Panchen Lama. His Holiness spoke upon his arrival at Gaggal Airport in Dharamsala that it is not unusual for enlightened beings to have as many reincarnations all appearing at the same time, citing the example of a famous Tibetan Buddhist master Khyentse Wangpo.

This again shows His Holiness is very skilful, and what His Holiness meant was that both the Chinese-enthroned 11th Panchen Lama (Gyaincain Norbu) and his 1995 candidate, Gedhun Choekyi Nyima are equally rightful heirs to the throne of the Panchen Lama and, in fact, the Dalai Lama acknowledges the Chinese Panchen Lama to be the official 11th Panchen Lama. What the Dalai Lama said is tantamount to an endorsing the Chinese-enthroned 11th Panchen Lama Bainqen Erdini Qoigyijabu (Panchen Gyaincain Norbu) and a recognition of his legitimacy as an emanation of the highest-ranking Tibetan Buddhist lama in Tibet, in the Dalai Lama’s absence. I don't know how all this will play out in the future, but definitely, His Holiness is a master of speech.

Click this link here to play the video: [url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/videos/play.php?f=http://video.dorjeshugden.com/videos/11PanchenLamaIsAlive.mp4&w=640&h=360&i=http://video.dorjeshugden.com/images/11PanchenLamaIsAlive.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/videos/play.php?f=http://video.dorjeshugden.com/videos/11PanchenLamaIsAlive.mp4&w=640&h=360&i=http://video.dorjeshugden.com/images/11PanchenLamaIsAlive.jpg[/url])


I have heard about the bigger picture theory too. It is said that the Dalai Lama is actually helping to promote Dorje Shugden instead of trying to suppress Dorje Shugden practice. It is true that without the ban, no one will really know about Dorje Shugden. In fact, the most famous Dharma protector now is Dorje Shugden.

Unfortunately, in this degenerated time, only negative news will draw people's attention. If you read the newspaper most of the news is negative news, how many positive and motivating news is there? For the celebrity to get famous, having negative news will be the fastest way. This is just how the world works now.

If this theory is valid, the Dalai Lama is indeed an emanation of Chenrezig, the Buddha of Compassion. Fame and reputation are not important to him.  He doesn't mind to be misunderstood by people, his goal is to bring benefit to people. The enlightened beings have their ways of working things out that we cannot comprehend.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Tracy on January 22, 2019, 07:29:43 AM
Sorry PrajNa, I was away for holiday. Yes, I remember His Holiness the Dalai Lama made a remark about the Chinese Panchen Lama. In fact, nobody asked His Holiness about the Chinese Panchen Lama. It is odd that His Holiness just brought it up, and in his own way, confirmed that Gyaincain Norbu can possibly be one of the many reincarnations as many reincarnations can all appear at the same time, just like Khyentse Wangpo.

I wonder if this is a political move as advised by the Chinese due to the negotiation of Samdhong Rinpoche's private/secret trip to China at the end of 2017? I do hope to see the reconciliation between His Holiness the Dalai Lama and the 11th Panchen Lama, that would be great news for us Tibetan Buddhists.

Thanks for the video links.

It could be possible that the Dalai Lama wants to go back to Tibet that is why he is agreeing with the Chinese government. It was actually quite shocking for me to hear the Dalai Lama said the Chinese Panchen Lama could also be the real reincarnation of the previous Panchen Lama.

Perhaps it was also a plan of the Dalai Lama to let the Chinese government recognised their own Panchen Lama. This is because anyone related to the Dalai Lama will lose the trust from the Chinese government and it will be very difficult for them to do what they have to do. The Panchen Lama took rebirth in China because he has the responsibility to continue to preserve and spread the Dharma in China. Therefore, it is actually better to let the Chinese government choose their own Panchen Lama.

I think there are 2 possibilities that the Dalai Lama changed his tone on the Panchen Lama. Maybe it is because he wants to go back to Tibet desperately that is why he agrees with the Chinese government that their Panchen Lama is real. The other possibility is that the Chinese Panchen Lama is the real one and now it is time to let him take over the responsibility from the Dalai Lama to continue to spread and preserve the Dharma in China.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: pemachen on January 30, 2019, 07:42:59 PM

I think there are 2 possibilities that the Dalai Lama changed his tone on the Panchen Lama. Maybe it is because he wants to go back to Tibet desperately that is why he agrees with the Chinese government that their Panchen Lama is real. The other possibility is that the Chinese Panchen Lama is the real one and now it is time to let him take over the responsibility from the Dalai Lama to continue to spread and preserve the Dharma in China.

Good theory. Contrary to what the western media says, many Tibetans and Tibetan lamas believe that the Chinese Panchen Lama is real.  What does everyone think?
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Tracy on February 02, 2019, 01:44:11 PM

Good theory. Contrary to what the western media says, many Tibetans and Tibetan lamas believe that the Chinese Panchen Lama is real.  What does everyone think?

The Chinese Panchen Lama is very well respected in China by the Tibetans and the high lamas. These high lamas are attained masters, they will not acknowledge a fake lama and mislead people. If they are paying so much respect to the Chinese Panchen Lama, he must be real.

What the Dalai Lama has said about the Panchen Lama could be possible as well. A highly attained lama is able to control their birth and death, he is also able to emanate into multiple forms simultaneously. Perhaps both Panchen Lamas are real and the previous Panchen Lama emanated into multiple individuals in order to preserve the lineage knowing how the situation would be.

The Chinese Panchen Lama has a very learned tutor. The Chinese government has given him the best Buddhist education and provided what he needs in order for him to perform his spiritual duty. A few years ago, the Panchen Lama gave a Kalachakra initiation to at least 100,000 people in Tibet. If he is fake, he would not be able to give initiation to so many lay people, Sangha and high lamas.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: pemachen on February 06, 2019, 08:20:13 AM
The Chinese Panchen Lama is very well respected in China by the Tibetans and the high lamas. These high lamas are attained masters, they will not acknowledge a fake lama and mislead people. If they are paying so much respect to the Chinese Panchen Lama, he must be real.

What the Dalai Lama has said about the Panchen Lama could be possible as well. A highly attained lama is able to control their birth and death, he is also able to emanate into multiple forms simultaneously. Perhaps both Panchen Lamas are real and the previous Panchen Lama emanated into multiple individuals in order to preserve the lineage knowing how the situation would be.

The Chinese Panchen Lama has a very learned tutor. The Chinese government has given him the best Buddhist education and provided what he needs in order for him to perform his spiritual duty. A few years ago, the Panchen Lama gave a Kalachakra initiation to at least 100,000 people in Tibet. If he is fake, he would not be able to give initiation to so many lay people, Sangha and high lamas.


What you said is very sound, Tracy. The thing is, how sure are we that all the reincarnation enthroned are real? We were just basing it on what the lamas said anyway. Whether or not the Chinese Panchen Lama is the real Panchen Lama, for sure he is learned, and for sure he is not normal because he was born amidst auspicious signs.

There are 4 videos here about Panchen Lama, filmed by Taiwanese, http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/the-11th-panchen-lamas-kalacakra-initiation-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-the-cta/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/the-11th-panchen-lamas-kalacakra-initiation-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-the-cta/)

The Taiwanese are generally not pro-China so they wouldn't have made up the stories about the Chinese Panchen Lama. He is definitely a great Lama, whether or not he's the Panchen Lama. I think lamas like Kyabje Gangchen Rinpoche and other high lamas who have met and supported the Chinese Panchen Lama, these lamas won't side with a fake lama.  8)
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on February 06, 2019, 09:06:55 AM
The Chinese Panchen Lama is very well respected in China by the Tibetans and the high lamas. These high lamas are attained masters, they will not acknowledge a fake lama and mislead people. If they are paying so much respect to the Chinese Panchen Lama, he must be real.

What the Dalai Lama has said about the Panchen Lama could be possible as well. A highly attained lama is able to control their birth and death, he is also able to emanate into multiple forms simultaneously. Perhaps both Panchen Lamas are real and the previous Panchen Lama emanated into multiple individuals in order to preserve the lineage knowing how the situation would be.

The Chinese Panchen Lama has a very learned tutor. The Chinese government has given him the best Buddhist education and provided what he needs in order for him to perform his spiritual duty. A few years ago, the Panchen Lama gave a Kalachakra initiation to at least 100,000 people in Tibet. If he is fake, he would not be able to give initiation to so many lay people, Sangha and high lamas.


What you said is very sound, Tracy. The thing is, how sure are we that all the reincarnation enthroned are real? We were just basing it on what the lamas said anyway. Whether or not the Chinese Panchen Lama is the real Panchen Lama, for sure he is learned, and for sure he is not normal because he was born amidst auspicious signs.

There are 4 videos here about Panchen Lama, filmed by Taiwanese, [url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/the-11th-panchen-lamas-kalacakra-initiation-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-the-cta/[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/the-11th-panchen-lamas-kalacakra-initiation-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-the-cta/[/url])

The Taiwanese are generally not pro-China so they wouldn't have made up the stories about the Chinese Panchen Lama. He is definitely a great Lama, whether or not he's the Panchen Lama. I think lamas like Kyabje Gangchen Rinpoche and other high lamas who have met and supported the Chinese Panchen Lama, these lamas won't side with a fake lama.  8)


I agree with you PemaChen. The current Chinese Panchen Lama is definitely a qualified lama because he is very knowledgable and capable. He gave Kalachakra initiation to thousands of people at mass initiation events. Let's not talk about him being the real Panchen Lama or not. By just looking at his skills, his knowledge of the sutra and tantra, he is not someone ordinary.

He is a qualified lama even if he is not the real Panchen Lama. When a fake lama claimed the throne of high lamas such as Panchen Lama, his life will be shortened dramatically because the merits needed for him to occupy the throne is tremendous. When the life of the imposter is being shortened, the real successor to the throne will have a chance to ascend to the throne quicker and benefit sentient beings.

Since the Chinese Panchen Lama is healthy, strong and strong in his studies, it is not likely that he is the fake Panchen Lama. However, that does not mean the Dalai Lama's Panchen Lama is fake, it could be another emanation of the previous Panchen Lama. One should not jump to conclusions especially when it comes to holy beings like the Panchen Lama who is believed to be the emanation of Buddha Amitabha.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: pemachen on February 08, 2019, 09:04:28 AM

I agree with you PemaChen. The current Chinese Panchen Lama is definitely a qualified lama because he is very knowledgable and capable. He gave Kalachakra initiation to thousands of people at mass initiation events. Let's not talk about him being the real Panchen Lama or not. By just looking at his skills, his knowledge of the sutra and tantra, he is not someone ordinary.

He is a qualified lama even if he is not the real Panchen Lama. When a fake lama claimed the throne of high lamas such as Panchen Lama, his life will be shortened dramatically because the merits needed for him to occupy the throne is tremendous. When the life of the imposter is being shortened, the real successor to the throne will have a chance to ascend to the throne quicker and benefit sentient beings.

Since the Chinese Panchen Lama is healthy, strong and strong in his studies, it is not likely that he is the fake Panchen Lama. However, that does not mean the Dalai Lama's Panchen Lama is fake, it could be another emanation of the previous Panchen Lama. One should not jump to conclusions especially when it comes to holy beings like the Panchen Lama who is believed to be the emanation of Buddha Amitabha.

Very good points. Yes, it takes a lot of merits to occupy the throne. Similarly, many detractors claimed the current Dalai Lama is fake too! I personally have very strong faith in His Holiness the Dalai Lama, despite what other people think. It is, of course, my own opinion and I do not force other to think the same, but look at it this way, His Holiness was recognised in Old Tibet the traditional way. His Holiness was also a master of Sutra and Tantra, educated in the Nalanda tradition, including Prajnaparamita, the perfection of wisdom; Madhyamika, the philosophy of the Middle Way; Vinaya, the canon of monastic discipline; Abidharma, metaphysics; and Pramana, logic and epistemology.  Whether or not he's the real Dalai Lama, he's a very qualified teacher, and you can see that he changes the life of millions.

(https://www.dalailama.com/assets/pages/Pre_1959_002-chrono1.jpg)
His Holiness sitting on the throne during his official enthronement ceremony in Lhasa, Tibet on February 22, 1940.

Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: PrajNa on February 13, 2019, 06:01:52 AM

Very good points. Yes, it takes a lot of merits to occupy the throne. Similarly, many detractors claimed the current Dalai Lama is fake too! I personally have very strong faith in His Holiness the Dalai Lama, despite what other people think. It is, of course, my own opinion and I do not force other to think the same, but look at it this way, His Holiness was recognised in Old Tibet the traditional way. His Holiness was also a master of Sutra and Tantra, educated in the Nalanda tradition, including Prajnaparamita, the perfection of wisdom; Madhyamika, the philosophy of the Middle Way; Vinaya, the canon of monastic discipline; Abidharma, metaphysics; and Pramana, logic and epistemology.  Whether or not he's the real Dalai Lama, he's a very qualified teacher, and you can see that he changes the life of millions.


What you say is very true, Pema. We as normal people cannot be sure whether His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama are real, but the results show that these two beings are highly learned and are great practitioners. So many millions of people received benefits from their work and sometimes just the mere presence can impact people for a lifetime.  May all these Bodhisattva continues to live among us till the end of time.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on February 17, 2019, 09:25:05 PM

I agree with you PemaChen. The current Chinese Panchen Lama is definitely a qualified lama because he is very knowledgable and capable. He gave Kalachakra initiation to thousands of people at mass initiation events. Let's not talk about him being the real Panchen Lama or not. By just looking at his skills, his knowledge of the sutra and tantra, he is not someone ordinary.

He is a qualified lama even if he is not the real Panchen Lama. When a fake lama claimed the throne of high lamas such as Panchen Lama, his life will be shortened dramatically because the merits needed for him to occupy the throne is tremendous. When the life of the imposter is being shortened, the real successor to the throne will have a chance to ascend to the throne quicker and benefit sentient beings.

Since the Chinese Panchen Lama is healthy, strong and strong in his studies, it is not likely that he is the fake Panchen Lama. However, that does not mean the Dalai Lama's Panchen Lama is fake, it could be another emanation of the previous Panchen Lama. One should not jump to conclusions especially when it comes to holy beings like the Panchen Lama who is believed to be the emanation of Buddha Amitabha.

Very good points. Yes, it takes a lot of merits to occupy the throne. Similarly, many detractors claimed the current Dalai Lama is fake too! I personally have very strong faith in His Holiness the Dalai Lama, despite what other people think. It is, of course, my own opinion and I do not force other to think the same, but look at it this way, His Holiness was recognised in Old Tibet the traditional way. His Holiness was also a master of Sutra and Tantra, educated in the Nalanda tradition, including Prajnaparamita, the perfection of wisdom; Madhyamika, the philosophy of the Middle Way; Vinaya, the canon of monastic discipline; Abidharma, metaphysics; and Pramana, logic and epistemology.  Whether or not he's the real Dalai Lama, he's a very qualified teacher, and you can see that he changes the life of millions.

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His Holiness sitting on the throne during his official enthronement ceremony in Lhasa, Tibet on February 22, 1940.

Yes, the same applies for His Holiness the Dalai Lama too. His Holiness has been on the throne since he was a young boy and now he is 83 years old already. If he is an imposter, he would had used up his merits a long time ago. He will not be alive for so long if he is an imposter.

His actions are strong proof that he is the real Dalai Lama as well. Look at how he managed to bring Tibetan Buddhism into the western countries which is quite tough and difficult at that time. His actions benefited many sentient beings and bring a lot of people into Tibetan Buddhism.

Even though there is some controversy about His Holiness over the Dorje Shugden issue, we should not think ill about His Holiness the Dalai Lama because sometimes highly attained beings like His Holiness maybe performing his actions in a large scale which can benefit many sentient beings in a larger scale.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: pemachen on March 03, 2019, 05:04:27 AM

Yes, the same applies for His Holiness the Dalai Lama too. His Holiness has been on the throne since he was a young boy and now he is 83 years old already. If he is an imposter, he would had used up his merits a long time ago. He will not be alive for so long if he is an imposter.

His actions are strong proof that he is the real Dalai Lama as well. Look at how he managed to bring Tibetan Buddhism into the western countries which is quite tough and difficult at that time. His actions benefited many sentient beings and bring a lot of people into Tibetan Buddhism.

Even though there is some controversy about His Holiness over the Dorje Shugden issue, we should not think ill about His Holiness the Dalai Lama because sometimes highly attained beings like His Holiness maybe performing his actions in a large scale which can benefit many sentient beings in a larger scale.

We should not think ill about His Holiness the Dalai Lama as I've heard from very senior and old monks, that His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche has already warned about this controversy before it started. All the work of Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, we should not just see it from mere appearance alone. Have faith that due to their nature, they can never harm sentient beings, no matter how things may look.  8)
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Drolma on March 03, 2019, 09:46:00 AM
We should not think ill about His Holiness the Dalai Lama as I've heard from very senior and old monks, that His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche has already warned about this controversy before it started. All the work of Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, we should not just see it from mere appearance alone. Have faith that due to their nature, they can never harm sentient beings, no matter how things may look.  8)

I also strongly believe the Dalai Lama is a highly attained being. Who in the world has the caliber to influence millions of people like the Dalai Lama? If he is not enlightened, he will not have the power or charisma to do that.

It is said that enlightened beings have their ways to do things to benefit all sentient beings. What they do is not for the short term, it is for the long term. Outwardly, their actions might seem to be unreasonable, but what they are doing is with the purpose to bring benefits to all sentient beings. Since we do not have the clairvoyance, we will not be able to comprehend.

One example I have read before is Ra Lotsawa. When Ra Lotsawa brought Yamantaka practice to Tibet, many high lamas and people thought Yamantaka was a demon and they used magical power to fight with Ra Lotsawa. In the process, Ra Lotsawa had killed many high lamas. However, he didn't really kill them, but he sent their consciousness to the pure land.

Before the Dorje Shugden ban was imposed, His Holiness Trijang Rinpoche said that in future the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden might look like they are against each other but we must not lose our faith in either of them. This further proves that the Dalai Lama is not an ordinary being.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: PrajNa on March 24, 2019, 06:56:41 AM
Before the Dorje Shugden ban was imposed, His Holiness Trijang Rinpoche said that in future the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden might look like they are against each other but we must not lose our faith in either of them. This further proves that the Dalai Lama is not an ordinary being.

I have heard this many times from many people - students of various lamas, as well as old monks from different monasteries. I wonder why people still do not take heed of this?? What do you guys think? Do you think it's because the old monks did not share about this prophecy or how?
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: pemachen on March 25, 2019, 03:53:53 AM
I have heard this many times from many people - students of various lamas, as well as old monks from different monasteries. I wonder why people still do not take heed of this?? What do you guys think? Do you think it's because the old monks did not share about this prophecy or how?

I believe it's not because they do not take heed, but rather, with so much suffering and so much 'secular' restrictions, it doesn't seem that possible for Dorje shugden practitioners to be liberated. It's very stressful and said.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: daka on March 25, 2019, 04:05:35 AM
Before the Dorje Shugden ban was imposed, His Holiness Trijang Rinpoche said that in future the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden might look like they are against each other but we must not lose our faith in either of them. This further proves that the Dalai Lama is not an ordinary being.

I have heard this many times from many people - students of various lamas, as well as old monks from different monasteries. I wonder why people still do not take heed of this?? What do you guys think? Do you think it's because the old monks did not share about this prophecy or how?

Prophecy is one thing, the reality is another thing. Tibetans are too afraid of being persecuted by their own government and people. Look at how the Dorje Shugden people being discriminated and chased out of their own monasteries, home etc, who dares to say anything even if they believe so? But the good news is this is the old trend, the new trend is the Tibetans are starting to lose trust in their government due to too many empty promises and corruptions. They are not afraid to stand up now. I think this will bring new hope to the Dorje Shugden issue. As long as a few persons dare to stand up to say something different, I am sure many more will join.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on March 25, 2019, 04:15:39 AM
Before the Dorje Shugden ban was imposed, His Holiness Trijang Rinpoche said that in future the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden might look like they are against each other but we must not lose our faith in either of them. This further proves that the Dalai Lama is not an ordinary being.

I have heard this many times from many people - students of various lamas, as well as old monks from different monasteries. I wonder why people still do not take heed of this?? What do you guys think? Do you think it's because the old monks did not share about this prophecy or how?

I think it is because Tibetans are blindly following His Holiness's advice and they disregarded all other high lamas because they are not as famous as the Dalai Lama. What the Dalai Lama says will be the rule. They will just follow without analyzing it with logic or think through it. Tibetans are ignorant and they will just do as they are told. That is why so many Tibetans burn themselves to death to fight for a failed cause. No matter how many Tibetans burn themselves to death, Tibet will never become independent ever again and all they manage to do is to raise more fund for CTA to spend on their luxury life. They are not helping with the cause at all. They are better off being an India citizen or go back to Tibet.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: pemachen on March 25, 2019, 04:25:55 AM
Prophecy is one thing, the reality is another thing. Tibetans are too afraid of being persecuted by their own government and people. Look at how the Dorje Shugden people being discriminated and chased out of their own monasteries, home etc, who dares to say anything even if they believe so? But the good news is this is the old trend, the new trend is the Tibetans are starting to lose trust in their government due to too many empty promises and corruptions. They are not afraid to stand up now. I think this will bring new hope to the Dorje Shugden issue. As long as a few persons dare to stand up to say something different, I am sure many more will join.

Yes, I guess the way the Tibetan leadership has mistreated their people, doing such things such as death threat, putting up hit list with personal details, organising groups to do protests and ordering them to throw stones at monks, high lamas and breaking sangha properties - this is why the general Tibetan public in exile are such narrow minded people. Thanks to the Tibetan leadership. You can look at Tibetans growing up in other countries, they are very different than those who grew up in India. I guess that's why His Holiness has decided that there's no point fighting for freedom anymore.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: PrajNa on March 25, 2019, 05:01:54 AM
Yes, I guess the way the Tibetan leadership has mistreated their people, doing such things such as death threat, putting up hit list with personal details, organising groups to do protests and ordering them to throw stones at monks, high lamas and breaking sangha properties - this is why the general Tibetan public in exile are such narrow minded people. Thanks to the Tibetan leadership. You can look at Tibetans growing up in other countries, they are very different than those who grew up in India. I guess that's why His Holiness has decided that there's no point fighting for freedom anymore.

It is true. Many of my Tibetan friends who live overseas said that their kids are not so different from other local kids or the kids of the country they are currently residing in. With better opportunities and freedom, many of their kids grow up to be successful. Yet, you see very little talent and success stories in Dharamsala, or anywhere in India.

When you ask a local Indian about Tibetans, immediately they have something negative to say, unless they are talking about His Holiness the Dalai Lama, who is a big guru-ji. Otherwise, many do not have good impression of Tibetans who are "foreigners" leeching off their government and taking advantage of the kindness of the host countries. This is very sad because that is not what Tibetan Buddhism's teachings wish to produce. Yet, that is the results of TIbetans being in exile for around 60 years now. Something has to be done, but I think His Holiness the Dalai Lama has given up and now has asked to return to China/Tibet.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: daka on March 25, 2019, 05:09:20 AM
When you ask a local Indian about Tibetans, immediately they have something negative to say, unless they are talking about His Holiness the Dalai Lama, who is a big guru-ji.

What you said make it sound like for the past 60 years, the only good impression the Indians get from the Tibetans in exile is only the Dalai Lama. How sad it is. I don't think the Tibetans are evil. However I do believe that under the influence of CTA bad policy, Tibetans have left bad impression in people's mind. A goverment always represent their people. Bad government will only drag their people down.

Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on March 31, 2019, 11:16:36 PM
When you ask a local Indian about Tibetans, immediately they have something negative to say, unless they are talking about His Holiness the Dalai Lama, who is a big guru-ji.

What you said make it sound like for the past 60 years, the only good impression the Indians get from the Tibetans in exile is only the Dalai Lama. How sad it is. I don't think the Tibetans are evil. However I do believe that under the influence of CTA bad policy, Tibetans have left bad impression in people's mind. A goverment always represent their people. Bad government will only drag their people down.

I think it is more than just the government who had given the Indians a bad impression on Tibetans. The Tibetans themselves are not so pleasant people either. There are many occasions where Tibetans are extremely arrogant and rude to India because Indians are not so well off compared to the Tibetans.

The Tibetans treat the Indians as someone below them and they do not respect the Indians at all. That is why it angered the Indians even more because the Tibetans are guests in India and they are feeding off the kindness of Indians.

In some occasions, Tibetans are found guilty of abusing the kindness of India by cheating their welfare system to get more aids for themselves while there are Indians who needed the help more than the Tibetans. However, the Tibetans are selfish and cared only about themselves. This is why Tibetans created a lot of anger towards them.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: PrajNa on April 02, 2019, 10:55:30 AM
I think it is more than just the government who had given the Indians a bad impression on Tibetans. The Tibetans themselves are not so pleasant people either. There are many occasions where Tibetans are extremely arrogant and rude to India because Indians are not so well off compared to the Tibetans.

The Tibetans treat the Indians as someone below them and they do not respect the Indians at all. That is why it angered the Indians even more because the Tibetans are guests in India and they are feeding off the kindness of Indians.

In some occasions, Tibetans are found guilty of abusing the kindness of India by cheating their welfare system to get more aids for themselves while there are Indians who needed the help more than the Tibetans. However, the Tibetans are selfish and cared only about themselves. This is why Tibetans created a lot of anger towards them.


Many Indians are not happy with Tibetans. Due to India's culture of spirituality, they respect His Holiness the Dalai Lama very much, that is why in general, Indians do not mind Tibetans staying in India. However, some people couldn't stand how Tibetans are taking advantage of the status as "refugee" and trying to get more than what was given. Since 2017, Indians, even the indigenous community in India have protested against Tibetans. You can read here: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/indians-openly-demand-tibetans-go-home/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/indians-openly-demand-tibetans-go-home/)
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on April 02, 2019, 02:57:31 PM
I think it is more than just the government who had given the Indians a bad impression on Tibetans. The Tibetans themselves are not so pleasant people either. There are many occasions where Tibetans are extremely arrogant and rude to India because Indians are not so well off compared to the Tibetans.

The Tibetans treat the Indians as someone below them and they do not respect the Indians at all. That is why it angered the Indians even more because the Tibetans are guests in India and they are feeding off the kindness of Indians.

In some occasions, Tibetans are found guilty of abusing the kindness of India by cheating their welfare system to get more aids for themselves while there are Indians who needed the help more than the Tibetans. However, the Tibetans are selfish and cared only about themselves. This is why Tibetans created a lot of anger towards them.


Many Indians are not happy with Tibetans. Due to India's culture of spirituality, they respect His Holiness the Dalai Lama very much, that is why in general, Indians do not mind Tibetans staying in India. However, some people couldn't stand how Tibetans are taking advantage of the status as "refugee" and trying to get more than what was given. Since 2017, Indians, even the indigenous community in India have protested against Tibetans. You can read here: [url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/indians-openly-demand-tibetans-go-home/[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/indians-openly-demand-tibetans-go-home/[/url])


The only reason why Nehru opened their border for the Tibetans is also His Holiness the Dalai Lama. The Tibetans without His Holiness the Dalai Lama will be nothing. There is nothing good about them that India would want to accept them and let them stay in their country for free over 60 years ago.

The Tibetans know this clearly and that is why they are very worried about the post-Dalai Lama time. They will be in a dangerous situation to be deported and face with homelessness. They should have taken the effort to be on India's good book so that they would want to let the Tibetans stay in the country. However, they created so many problems and make everybody angry at them for the past 60 years.

Now His Holiness is at a mature age where he can choose to leave this current body anytime. That is why CTA is panicking now and tried their best to find a solution for the post-Dalai Lama era. This will not happen if they just maintained the peace and not create any troubles in the first place.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: PrajNa on April 19, 2019, 02:29:41 AM

The only reason why Nehru opened their border for the Tibetans is also His Holiness the Dalai Lama. The Tibetans without His Holiness the Dalai Lama will be nothing. There is nothing good about them that India would want to accept them and let them stay in their country for free over 60 years ago.

The Tibetans know this clearly and that is why they are very worried about the post-Dalai Lama time. They will be in a dangerous situation to be deported and face with homelessness. They should have taken the effort to be on India's good book so that they would want to let the Tibetans stay in the country. However, they created so many problems and make everybody angry at them for the past 60 years.

Now His Holiness is at a mature age where he can choose to leave this current body anytime. That is why CTA is panicking now and tried their best to find a solution for the post-Dalai Lama era. This will not happen if they just maintained the peace and not create any troubles in the first place.

Recently, His Holiness had chest infection. It is worrying that His Holiness is manifesting illness, and also showing he is old. Now at 83, His Holiness is manifesting old age where it is getting harder for him to travel the world to boost awareness of the Tibetan cause. I wonder if there will be more hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech. These few years, there seems to be a lot of hidden message, 'blunders', and so on. I believe His Holiness did them on purpose, because he's a great scholar with great memory, it is impossible that he is forgetful or unaware.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on April 19, 2019, 03:13:55 AM

The only reason why Nehru opened their border for the Tibetans is also His Holiness the Dalai Lama. The Tibetans without His Holiness the Dalai Lama will be nothing. There is nothing good about them that India would want to accept them and let them stay in their country for free over 60 years ago.

The Tibetans know this clearly and that is why they are very worried about the post-Dalai Lama time. They will be in a dangerous situation to be deported and face with homelessness. They should have taken the effort to be on India's good book so that they would want to let the Tibetans stay in the country. However, they created so many problems and make everybody angry at them for the past 60 years.

Now His Holiness is at a mature age where he can choose to leave this current body anytime. That is why CTA is panicking now and tried their best to find a solution for the post-Dalai Lama era. This will not happen if they just maintained the peace and not create any troubles in the first place.

Recently, His Holiness had chest infection. It is worrying that His Holiness is manifesting illness, and also showing he is old. Now at 83, His Holiness is manifesting old age where it is getting harder for him to travel the world to boost awareness of the Tibetan cause. I wonder if there will be more hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech. These few years, there seems to be a lot of hidden message, 'blunders', and so on. I believe His Holiness did them on purpose, because he's a great scholar with great memory, it is impossible that he is forgetful or unaware.

His Holiness is not getting any younger, and he starts to manifest more old age health problems now. He is reducing his travelling and events around the world to recuperate and not straining his frail body. It is getting worrisome as the Tibetans in Exile are still depending on His Holiness to bring them back to Tibet.

After 60 years of being a refugee in India, they still have not progressed much in their fight for independence. Everything is still status quo since 1959 when His Holiness escaped Tibet. The opportunity for Tibetans to fight for freedom is now gone. His Holiness the Dalai Lama is clear on this, and that is why he suggested Umaylam instead of continuing with Rangzen.

Umaylam is more possible compared to Rangzen, and everyone should be fighting for it. However, His Holiness still requires cooperation from the Tibetan government who is attending Rangzen meeting and functions. They should be on the same page with His Holiness and not ignore his suggestions. I hope the Tibetan government will realise this fast enough to treasure the remaining time that His Holiness has for them on earth.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: PrajNa on April 25, 2019, 08:05:15 AM
Another of the Dalai Lama's speech infuriates China. I wonder why His Holiness keeps making statements that seem to contradict his effort or direction. If His Holiness is serious about returning to Tibet, shouldn't he befriend China and not say such things?  ???


Observers Warn the Future Prospects of Two Dalai Lamas
April 22, 2019 5:52 AM
Joyce Huang

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Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, center, is assisted by his aides as he arrives to interact with an audience of educators, in New Delhi, India, April 4, 2019.

Beijing has reacted strongly to recent remarks from Tibet's exiled spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, who in late March suggested that his successor may come from India.

Chinese authorities have insisted that the selection of the next Tibetan Buddhist leader must comply with Chinese laws” – an indication that China looks set to repeat another reincarnation controversy similar to that of the 11th Panchen Lama’s anointment in 1995.

The legitimate holder of that title, Gedhun Choekyi, who the international society suspects was forced into disappearance by China, turns 30 this Thursday.


Two Dalai Lamas?

Analysts say the possibility of two Dalai Lamas – one chosen by China and the other in exile – is real.

China feels that it can use the next pro-Beijing Buddhist leader as a propaganda tool to strengthen its narrative that it is protecting Tibetan culture and Tibetan language.

But such repressive policies can only backfire, said Tom Grunfeld, a professor at Empire State College of the State University of New York.

“By repressing them, they create disloyalty to the state. The consequences of their [China’s] action is the exact opposite of what their goals are. And the more repression, the more disloyalty,” said Professor Grunfeld.

“And so, in Tibet, on the surface, things are calm, but under the surface, there’s enormous anger against the Chinese,” added the professor.


Golden Urn

China may resort to drawing lots from a golden urn to select the successor of the 14th Dalai Lama as it had done so in choosing the 11th Panchen Lama.

The use of a golden urn was introduced by the Qing Dynasty in the late eighteenth century to signify its authority over Tibetan leaders.

But the method won’t win the hearts and minds of Tibetan Buddhists, neither will they venerate any local religious leaders chosen through the urn, said Dawa Tsering, Taipei-based representative of H. H. the Dalai Lama.

“The drawing of lots from a golden urn means nothing but a bottle, which has no religious and cultural value to Tibet. Not a single Tibetan has had faith in the so-called Han Panchen Lama, recognized by China,” Tsering said.

Neither will Tibetans venerate the successor of the Dalai Lama if he’s named by Chinese authorities, he added.

Professor Grunfeld agreed, saying that the fact that many Tibetans refuse to hang the picture of the Panchen Lama, recognized by China, is a “political statement” that they don’t accept the incumbent Panchen Lama.


Power Play

Tsering criticized that China’s power play in Tibet has had a devastating effect on the Tibetans’ practice of Buddhism and cultural heritage.

He added that China, under the leadership of Chen Quanguo, who now serves as the Communist Party’s secretary in Xinjiang, has long implemented measures to transform Tibetans, similar to the practice in Xinjiang’s re-education camps.

Authorities in Tibet can’t be reached for comment and VOA’s calls to the Tibetan Commission of Ethnic and Religious Affairs got hung up on.

The Dalai Lama fled to India in 1959 after a failed uprising against Chinese rule and has since worked to promote religious and cultural autonomy for his people.

China has called the exiled leader a dangerous separatist – an accusation the Dalai Lama has long flatly denied.

He told a group of visitors in March that he has ceased to appeal to the United Nations since 1974 to declare Tibet’s independence.

Instead, he hopes to engage with Chinese officials through dialogues, seek to pursue true autonomy for all 6 million Tibetans, wrote Chinese dissident Yang Jianli in an article, who led a delegation to visit and meet with the Dalai Lama in March.


No Official Meetings

But no official meetings have been made between his exiled government and the Chinese authorities after 2010.

According to Grunfeld, China held a tight grip on the monasteries and repression in society is also tight. Thus, any resistance to the Chinese rule is doubtful to succeed.

At least 154 Tibetans are confirmed to have resorted to self-immolation as a way of protest against China.

In spite of such protests, China shows no sign of easing its controls in Tibet.

“Self-immolation represents a form of individual [protest], which may hurt China’s [international] image, but won’t rock the boat to change the political landscape [in Tibet],” said Kou Chien-wen, a professor of East Asia Studies from National Chengchi University in Taipei.

Kou said Tibet won’t be left alone now that China is tightening controls all over the country.

Neither will China give up its authority to designate a pro-Beijing leader in Tibet -- similar power it has in Hong Kong, where China has the final say in the territory’s chief executive, Kou added.

News extracted from: https://www.voanews.com/a/dalai-lama-succession/4885779.html (https://www.voanews.com/a/dalai-lama-succession/4885779.html)
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: pemachen on May 20, 2019, 10:13:03 AM
Another of the Dalai Lama's speech infuriates China. I wonder why His Holiness keeps making statements that seem to contradict his effort or direction. If His Holiness is serious about returning to Tibet, shouldn't he befriend China and not say such things?  ???

I also find the lack of consistency in His Holiness' speech. On the one hand, His Holiness wants to return to Tibet, and His Holiness gives the impression that he's willing to do anything. Yet, His Holiness continues to challenge China with these kinds of statement that the Chinese will not be able to have any influence in the selection of his incarnation/successor.

That is really contradictory of what His Holiness usually does or say. For example, His Holiness has been consistent in saying that Tibet doesn't want independence and wants autonomy. That part of it, His Holiness has been very consistent for years now, so why other messages/speeches are not consistent?
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on May 20, 2019, 12:42:57 PM
Another of the Dalai Lama's speech infuriates China. I wonder why His Holiness keeps making statements that seem to contradict his effort or direction. If His Holiness is serious about returning to Tibet, shouldn't he befriend China and not say such things?  ???

I also find the lack of consistency in His Holiness' speech. On the one hand, His Holiness wants to return to Tibet, and His Holiness gives the impression that he's willing to do anything. Yet, His Holiness continues to challenge China with these kinds of statement that the Chinese will not be able to have any influence in the selection of his incarnation/successor.

That is really contradictory of what His Holiness usually does or say. For example, His Holiness has been consistent in saying that Tibet doesn't want independence and wants autonomy. That part of it, His Holiness has been very consistent for years now, so why other messages/speeches are not consistent?

I agree with you Pemachen. Recently, His Holiness's speech is getting more and more inconsistent. He changes his mind so quickly on so many things and that confuses a lot of people. Example, he said that his current reincarnation will be the last incarnation of the Dalai Lama incarnation line. However, he recently expressed that his next reincarnation is most probably to be found in India.

It was prophesized that the 14th Dalai Lama will be the last Dalai Lama and there will be no future reincarnation of the incarnation line. The 14th Dalai Lama will also be the most powerful incarnation among all the Dalai Lamas. It is partly true because he is the one that brought Tibetan Buddhism to the world especially the western world.

He has the most impact in the world compared to the other Dalai Lamas. As his age rise close to 100, it might be time for him to leave his mortal body. Many high Tibetan lamas pass away in the age which is around 80. Once His Holiness passes into the clear light, the Tibetan in Exile will be leaderless and their dream to return to a free Tibet will be crushed.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: PrajNa on June 16, 2019, 12:38:34 AM
I agree with you Pemachen. Recently, His Holiness's speech is getting more and more inconsistent. He changes his mind so quickly on so many things and that confuses a lot of people. Example, he said that his current reincarnation will be the last incarnation of the Dalai Lama incarnation line. However, he recently expressed that his next reincarnation is most probably to be found in India.

It was prophesized that the 14th Dalai Lama will be the last Dalai Lama and there will be no future reincarnation of the incarnation line. The 14th Dalai Lama will also be the most powerful incarnation among all the Dalai Lamas. It is partly true because he is the one that brought Tibetan Buddhism to the world especially the western world.

He has the most impact in the world compared to the other Dalai Lamas. As his age rise close to 100, it might be time for him to leave his mortal body. Many high Tibetan lamas pass away in the age which is around 80. Once His Holiness passes into the clear light, the Tibetan in Exile will be leaderless and their dream to return to a free Tibet will be crushed.

Tibetans believe that His Holiness is Chenrezig, Buddha of Compassion and has control of his life source and how long he lives.  End of last month, His Holiness expressed confidence that he will live to see his 110th year during the long life offering ceremony held on 17 May at the Tsuglagkhang temple complex in Mcleod Ganj, yet the Dalai Lama has already curtailed his visits abroad and inside India. Some supporters of Free Tibet movement do not know what to think anymore about the Tibetan cause as His Holiness' health is uncertain, and Lobsang Sangay doesn't seem to do much. It is quite disheartening from what I read.

Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: dsnowlion on June 16, 2019, 01:59:24 AM

Tibetans believe that His Holiness is Chenrezig, Buddha of Compassion and has control of his life source and how long he lives.  End of last month, His Holiness expressed confidence that he will live to see his 110th year during the long life offering ceremony held on 17 May at the Tsuglagkhang temple complex in Mcleod Ganj, yet the Dalai Lama has already curtailed his visits abroad and inside India. Some supporters of Free Tibet movement do not know what to think anymore about the Tibetan cause as His Holiness' health is uncertain, and Lobsang Sangay doesn't seem to do much. It is quite disheartening from what I read.


His Holiness is definitely in full control and manifesting illness/exhaustion/weakness... he always says he has to stop or reduce his activities, but I still see him out and about. If it is totally out of the picture, I think CTA and the Tibet Cause will surely die. That's the end of the CTA's payroll and Sangay will be out of a job. At the moment Sagay is now in deeeeep shit. He is trying to avoid court but it looks like he's not gonna get away this time. I guess there is karma after all. He thought he was some untouchable Buddha since he became PM. How dillusional.

When you read the news, you will realise a few points!

1) The framing of the issue is completed and gave the parties time until June 19 to submit in writing anything related to the framed issues before the trial begins.

2) The Commission had made it clear to Sangay's lawyer that they have declined his further adjournment request calling as it is clearly unnecessary. Sangay had more than a year to prepare!

3) Sangay didn't answer the specific 10 questions pertaining to the case with details and was ordered to rewrite his statement since Dec. 7, 2018. He deliberately ignored the order and didn't provide specific answers to each question.

4) Sangay's trick is no longer acceptable and if he dares to disrespect the judicial system like this, it shows that the CTA is really a trickster and a fake bias democratic government. Big time failure in managing themselve and exile Tibetans. It is considered good karma for Tibet that these lot does not get to return and manage TAR. They would ruin it again. Now we can understand the level of mindset these Tibetan leaders have, hence this is why they LOST THEIR COUNTRY in the first place. They make very stupid, self-motivated decisions. They are not a government for the people but for themselves and their own power and greed. And because of this + being not too bright, they are bound to fail.

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Case No. 20 completes 'issue framing'
Phayul [Saturday, June 15, 2019 22:18]
By Tenzin Sangmo


DHARAMSHALA, June 15: The second hearing of Case No. 20 at the Tibetan Supreme Justice Commission (TSJC) this afternoon completed the framing of the issue and gave the parties time until June 19 to submit in writing anything related to the framed issues before the trial begins.

The first hearing ten days ago was taken up by “Clarification of Issue” arising from complaint and statement of defence. It was briefly interrupted by the defendant’s adjournment plea at the 11th hour but the commission resumed the clarification after announcing that the plea will be considered after a discussion.

A notice rejecting the adjournment plea was sent on June 10th to the defendant and a copy served to the complainant.

The Commission, in its opening remark today made known the reasons for denial of defendant’s adjournment request calling it unnecessary and the request process outside the courtroom’s decorum.

The adjournment plea was placed in order to answer the clarification questions in greater detail but the plea was made after eight of ten questions posed went without additional information with the defendant’s lawyer telling the court to refer to the statement of defence.

The commission also added that its order issued on Dec. 7, 2018, advising the defendant to rewrite its statement of defence categorically instructed the party to provide specific answers to each question.

“Given that the defendant overlooked the instruction and then asked for an additional time now to follow the instruction remains unacceptable.”

While the plaintiff was accompanied by his lawyer, the defence lawyer showed up with four members or representatives of Kashag, Health Kalon, the former Cabinet Secretary, the incumbent Cabinet Secretary and the incumbent Under Secretary.

The 10-point clarification published by the Kashag on 18 November 2017 in defence of its dismissal of former Representative from Washington office largely forms the issue of contention.

Barring the 1st and the 10th points, the remaining eight points considered “factual issues” are being rejected by the complainant and defended by the respondent, to be resolved through trial.

The Chief Justice Commissioner also stated that the questions posed at the first hearing in clarification round were the result of the Commission’s in-depth analysis of the written statements from Jan 15th to June 4, 2019.

“The defendant in this case,” he cited, “has responded to five different questions with only a few paragraphs, failing to adhere to the Commission’s instruction to respond to each question specifically.”

The Chief Justice Commissioner remarked that the commission has provided numerous instructions along the way to the defendant, akin to hand holding a child and said, “misinterpreting the court’s instruction could only affect the respondent negatively.”

The trial is expected to undergo several rounds before a verdict can be issued.


Case No. 20 completes 'issue framing'
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Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on June 28, 2019, 12:49:11 PM
Dalai Lama's speech has always been full of riddles and hints that are only known to Tibetans. Anyone that grew up in the Tibetan culture will be able to pick it up but not the foreigners. They will have no idea of what is His Holiness's true meaning behind his speech. Hence, when His Holiness's gave the order to discriminate Dorje Shugden practitioners, many Westerners took it as advice.

Dorje Shugden people do not have a choice and those who carried out the ban did not have a choice either.  Many people did not want to discriminate against the Dorje Shugden people but they are forced to do so because the CTA will be on their case if they did not do it. Hence, the ban is not an advice but an order from His Holiness.

During this time, all we can do is to trust in His Holiness and also our guru. We should not have negative feelings towards His Holiness nor towards our Dharma brother and sisters who practice Dorje Shugden.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: pemachen on June 28, 2019, 01:10:52 PM

His Holiness is definitely in full control and manifesting illness/exhaustion/weakness... he always says he has to stop or reduce his activities, but I still see him out and about. If it is totally out of the picture, I think CTA and the Tibet Cause will surely die. That's the end of the CTA's payroll and Sangay will be out of a job. At the moment Sagay is now in deeeeep shit. He is trying to avoid court but it looks like he's not gonna get away this time. I guess there is karma after all. He thought he was some untouchable Buddha since he became PM. How dillusional.

Just read news that another (the second) mock drill was carried out late Thursday night from the residence of the exiled Tibetan leader His Holiness the Dalai Lama in McLeod Ganj. This is the second drill conducted in just over a month, in case of a medical emergency for the octogenarian Tibetan leader. If there is nothing to worry about, why the second drill in just over a month?
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: PrajNa on July 03, 2019, 11:53:56 AM
News about Dalai Lama these few days have been about His Holiness apologising for the 'attractive' female successor remark. I wonder why His Holiness made this blunder again since His Holiness had already made one in 2015? There must be a good reason for this, it cannot be that His Holiness is so untactful. Perhaps it is time for His Holiness to sacrifice his reputation and good standing by making manuy blunders, and becoming less popular in line with the fading Tibetan cause.


Dalai Lama apologizes for 'attractive' female successor remark

(CNN)The Dalai Lama wants to clarify his recent joke that a female Dalai Lama would have to be "more attractive."

The Tibetan spiritual leader made the controversial comment in a wide-ranging interview with the BBC last week. He had previously told the British broadcaster in 2015 that a future Dalai Lama could be a woman but would have to be good looking or "not much use."

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/02/world/dalai-lama-female-successor-scli/index.html
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on July 03, 2019, 02:04:11 PM
News about Dalai Lama these few days have been about His Holiness apologising for the 'attractive' female successor remark. I wonder why His Holiness made this blunder again since His Holiness had already made one in 2015? There must be a good reason for this, it cannot be that His Holiness is so untactful. Perhaps it is time for His Holiness to sacrifice his reputation and good standing by making manuy blunders, and becoming less popular in line with the fading Tibetan cause.


Dalai Lama apologizes for 'attractive' female successor remark

(CNN)The Dalai Lama wants to clarify his recent joke that a female Dalai Lama would have to be "more attractive."

The Tibetan spiritual leader made the controversial comment in a wide-ranging interview with the BBC last week. He had previously told the British broadcaster in 2015 that a future Dalai Lama could be a woman but would have to be good looking or "not much use."

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/02/world/dalai-lama-female-successor-scli/index.html

His Holiness the Dalai Lama has been making statements that are obviously ridiculous and then apologise for them. Even though His Holiness is 83 years old, he knows exactly what is he doing and what is going on. Many people gave His Holiness the benefit of the doubt by saying maybe His Holiness is not aware of his actions or he is senile.

His Holiness is not normal people like us. His body might degenerate due to age but his mind remains sharp as ever. Hence, what His Holiness did is on purpose and it is for a higher reason than just putting down females.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: SabS on July 05, 2019, 01:06:26 PM
This is so exciting! I just heard through the grapevine from Nepal that some Sakya monks are visiting DS related websites. The Tibetan leaders totally have no control over this and word will spread of the truth. Soon the world will know of CTA's lies and will forever doubt their words. CTA will lose control and power over their own people!!!
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Alex on July 10, 2019, 11:46:22 AM
This is so exciting! I just heard through the grapevine from Nepal that some Sakya monks are visiting DS related websites. The Tibetan leaders totally have no control over this and word will spread of the truth. Soon the world will know of CTA's lies and will forever doubt their words. CTA will lose control and power over their own people!!!

They had already lost control over their people. Many of the Tibetans in exile had chosen to leave the Tibetan settlements and settle in foreign countries. Tibetans know that their future will be bleak if they continue to follow the Tibetan government. Many of them chose to escape to other parts of India, Tibet or western countries.

Many of those who escaped led a successful life which is way better than their life back in the Tibetan settlements. Everyone can see this now and that is why no one is going to donate to the Tibetan government. Tibetan government will have less Tibetan to order around. Soon, they will have to dissolve when all Tibetans ran away from them.

China is one of the most powerful countries in the world now and it is stupid for anyone to go against them. All they will get is economic disadvantages which is detrimental to a country. No one will be foolish enough to sacrifice their own country's future for the Tibetans.
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: PrajNa on July 11, 2019, 12:54:11 PM
China is one of the most powerful countries in the world now and it is stupid for anyone to go against them. All they will get is economic disadvantages which is detrimental to a country. No one will be foolish enough to sacrifice their own country's future for the Tibetans.

I guess as China rises to be influential and more countries are aligning with China's policies, even His Holiness cannot garner much support for the Tibetan cause anymore. His Holiness will still be respected for who he is, but no one will support an independent or autonomous Tibet.

Let's look at the facts. There are about 100,000 Tibetans in India, and a total of about 150,000 worldwide residing in various host countries. Dharamsala covers an area of about 27.60 km2 (10.66 sq miles). Tibet (China) has roughly 3 million people and covers an area of about 1.228 million km². From just management point of view, do you trust CTA who continuously failed its people to manage such a vast land with so many people? CTA made a mess of the administration and we keep hearing problems and troubles, especially the infighting and disharmony in the administration. They are definitely not capable to manage Tibet.   ::)
Title: Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
Post by: Matibhadra on August 25, 2019, 12:26:18 AM
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The Tibetans without His Holiness the Dalai Lama will be nothing.

Rather the opposite. The evil dalie, without the mass of naive Tibetans trapped and kept as hostages in a miserable exile in India, is nothing, while the same Tibetans, once free from the oppressive specter of the evil dalie, and therefore from their perceived need to remain exiled in India out of loyalty to him, will feel comfortable going back to China's Tibet and enjoy their own land's peace, prosperity, and freedom from the clutches of the maniacal theocrat.