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Title: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Rowntree on May 30, 2018, 06:48:03 AM
More reasons for Tibetans to return to China. There is so much development in recent years in the Tibet Autonomous Region to lift Tibetans out of poverty. They continue to build facilities to boost tourism in Tibet and to bring more income for the Tibetans including a themed post office for tourists at the foot of Mount Kangrinboqe and a sacred pilgrimage place in Buddhism and Hinduism, in Ngari Prefecture.

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Tibet opens themed post office for tourists

LHASA, May 29 (Xinhua) -- Tibet has opened a themed post office for tourists at the foot of Mount Kangrinboqe in Ngari Prefecture, local government said Tuesday.

The post office, at a cost of 800,000 yuan (about 125,000 U.S. dollars), provides tourists with stamps, cultural and creative products and souvenirs.

Mount Kangrinboqe is sacred in Buddhism and Hinduism. The mountain and Mapam Yumco, a lake about 20 km from the mountain, attract a large number of tourists each year.

[url]http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-05/29/c_137215238.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-05/29/c_137215238.htm[/url])
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: dsnowlion on June 03, 2018, 07:34:32 PM
Wow, definitely there will be more progress in Tibet, China and no way this would have happened if it was under the CTA's ruling because 50% of the money will go into Sangay and his cronies' pockets! Sorry but giving Tibet back for them to govern would be a huge disaster, they might as well start resigning already.

China has its bad points too, no doubt, but if Tibetans were smart, and the smart one will know, how to adjust back and find a way to preserve their culture, which I believe the Chinese government are actually happy to fund and restore and help revive as they have done so to historical monasteries and places in Tibet. So as long as you know how to deal with the Chinese, there is more to gain then loose. It is all a matter of how tactful on is. Just stop antagonizing China.

You know what they say...  "keep your friends close and your enemies closer". Be smart already and work to unite all Tibetans so you can truly preserve one culture and especially Buddhism. The motivation should be to spread Buddhism and I think that is what the Dalai Lama is trying to do to salvage the situation now. This is a good strategy!
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Pema8 on June 04, 2018, 06:37:05 AM
There is no doubt in my mind that the opportunities that the Tibetans have in Tibet are worth moving back. Instead of being dependent on the CTA or Central Tibetan Administration in Dharamsala, with the option to sell sweaters, Tibet brings them home, close to their families and with religious freedom and ways to make a living on their own.

Times have definitely changed!
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Jushri on June 07, 2018, 06:29:56 PM
It's better for Tibet to remain with China. Given CTA's track record, I don't think they can sustain the country on their own even if it's handed back to them on a silver platter.

CTA has marginalised their own citizens based on religious practice and this will not go down very well with international relations. NO country would want to be seen supporting a country with its own brand of democracy where the government is undemocratically discriminating their own citizens and suppressing their religious freedom.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: dsnowlion on June 08, 2018, 10:48:57 PM
It's better for Tibet to remain with China. Given CTA's track record, I don't think they can sustain the country on their own even if it's handed back to them on a silver platter.

CTA has marginalised their own citizens based on religious practice and this will not go down very well with international relations. NO country would want to be seen supporting a country with its own brand of democracy where the government is undemocratically discriminating their own citizens and suppressing their religious freedom.

Maybe that is why the Dalai Lama is wanting to return back to Tibet and pushing hard on Umaylam. He knows that there is no way the CTA is capable of running a country. Look they can't even run a couple of thousands exile community in India! And instead of uniting the people, they split them up further.

The Tibetan leadership has clearly taken advantage and abused its power given to them by the Dalai Lama. And since it was given to them by the Dalai Lama, only the Dalai Lama can take it back, without making them lose face. And what better way than to return to Tibet-China, where religious freedom is actually implemented.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Rowntree on June 24, 2018, 01:10:18 PM
The Dalai Lama has a big vision and cares about the Tibetans very much, although it may look otherwise with his ban on Dorje Shugden and various controversies surrounding him. The Tibetan refugees are Tibetans afterall, they are meant to be in Tibet. Going back to Tibet is only logical. Now that China is rising and has proven to be capable in lifting Tibetans out of poverty, she is definitely capable in doing more for the Tibetans. Going back can only be beneficial.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Drolma on July 26, 2018, 09:21:04 PM
CTA always says the Chinese government tries to integrate Tibetans into the Chinese Han culture, they don't allow Tibetans to use their own language and slowly Tibetan will lose their cultural and spiritual identity. I found this is not true at all.

2 years ago I went to Tibet for a tour, the Tibetan language is still widely used and spoken. All the signs are bilingual, Tibetan and Chinese. Children learn Tibetan in school and they are still allowed to wear their traditional clothing. Temples are allowed to perform ritual ceremonies. I saw the development in Tibet is much better and advanced than in the Tibetan Settlements in India.

If Tibetans are wise, they should go back to Tibet, don't believe CTA anymore. They are not capable of doing anything good for the Tibetans.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Rowntree on August 02, 2018, 07:54:26 AM
CTA always says the Chinese government tries to integrate Tibetans into the Chinese Han culture, they don't allow Tibetans to use their own language and slowly Tibetan will lose their cultural and spiritual identity. I found this is not true at all.

2 years ago I went to Tibet for a tour, the Tibetan language is still widely used and spoken. All the signs are bilingual, Tibetan and Chinese. Children learn Tibetan in school and they are still allowed to wear their traditional clothing. Temples are allowed to perform ritual ceremonies. I saw the development in Tibet is much better and advanced than in the Tibetan Settlements in India.

If Tibetans are wise, they should go back to Tibet, don't believe CTA anymore. They are not capable of doing anything good for the Tibetans.

What the CTA fails to tell us is that they have forced Tibetans in exile to migrate to the West. These Tibetans give birth to their next generation there and their next generation has no knowledge of their culture, do not speak, read or write the Tibetan language. They are just Tibetans on the outside.

Those remained in India are not passionate about the Tibet cause. They have no intention to return to Tibet nor have they any urge for the Dalai Lama to return. They do not share the same sentiment as the older Tibetans who see His Holiness as the king and treated him like a living god.

This is the sad situation the CTA has created. Perhaps this why His Holiness has expressed his wish, especially in recent years, that he wishes to return to Tibet. China is the only country in the world that is preserving the Tibetan culture including their religion and languages.

Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: michaela on August 03, 2018, 11:35:48 PM
Frankly speaking, there is no future for the Tibetans in #India. They would have to assimilate with the Indians and become Indian citizens. If they would like to preserve their identity and culture, their best bet is to return to their homeland. China has invested millions to preserve and promote Tibetan culture and make sure that the effort is sustainable with sound business plan and the steady stream of income from tourism.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Pema8 on August 04, 2018, 03:01:41 AM
The opportunities that have been created by the Chinese in Tibet are far better now. The Tibetans can really benefit from the infrastructure that is at everyone's disposition.

The Tibetans should embrace the new situation and make Tibet a beneficial place for everyone, Tibetans and Chinese. The CTA should encourage peace amongst the Tibetans and improve the relationship between everyone. This is the purpose of a leadership, or government, to improve the situation of their people, isn't it?

 
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: michaela on August 04, 2018, 09:16:41 PM

The following article is another indication that there is no future for Tibetan refugees in Tibet if you wish to maintain your status as Tibetans.

For the Central Tibetan Administration, the dwindling Tibetan population in India is a disaster because they have been using these refugees as pawns to appeal for multi-million dollars donation from their donors. Now, if there are not many people to help anymore, they cannot justify the amount that they requested from their donors.


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The dilemma facing a dwindling Tibetan population in India


In addition to the deteriorating political situation inside Tibet, a new woe facing Tibetans in exile particularly in India is its shrinking population. Propelled by a low birth rate and a high rate of immigration to foreign countries, the Tibetan population in India is going through a rapid decline.

No exact figures are available of the Tibetan diaspora in the early years of exile, as the key focus of the Tibetan administration then was on the rehabilitation of the refugees. However, a 2009 census conducted by the Planning Commission of the Central Tibetan Administration, revealed that the Tibetan diaspora numbers just about 128,000 with major concentrations in India, Nepal and Bhutan. The number is now estimated to have reached around 150,000 since then.

Since 1959, the Tibetan community in exile have seen tremendous economic and educational growth under the visionary leadership of His Holiness the Dalai Lama.

However, with the growth of modern education in exile, opportunities arose for immigration to developed nations in the west as well as ideas of compact family planning. Partly as a result of such developments, the Tibetan population in India saw a massive decline. So much so that recent reports indicated schools having just a few students enrolled in classes. The situation in Tibetan monasteries is even more telling as monks and nuns from Buddhist Himalayan regions started outnumbering Tibetans.

The dwindling population of Tibetan students in schools and monks and nuns in monasteries could also be due to increased restrictions imposed on Tibetans inside Tibet, limiting the flow of Tibetans fleeing into exile. Newly arrived Tibetans have long been a major source of human resource for Tibetan schools and monasteries, once considered bastions of the Tibetan community in exile.

The decline in population of Tibetans in India also has another alarming implication. It threatens the sustainability of the Tibetan settlements, as land is rapidly becoming a premium asset in India.

One other reason for the decline in Tibetan birthrate in India can be attributed to inflation. Coupled with the increase in living costs and the stinging cost of college education in India, expenses became a serious deterrent to raising children.

Consequently, during the second special general meeting of Tibetans organised by the 14th Kashag in 2012, delegates identified dwindling population as one of the pressing issues. As a result, a resolution was passed calling for measures to boost Tibetan population.

Subsequently, in efforts to combat the declining population of Tibetan exiles and its numerous underlying implications the CTA rolled out various initiatives and incentives for families with more than three children. Initiatives included free schooling and college scholarship, free healthcare, medical coverage for mother and child under both traditional and allopathic medicine, free immunization and vaccinations, awareness campaigns on healthy deliveries, financial aids, etc.

The dwindling Tibetan population also found expressions of concerns by the Tibetan spiritual leader His Holiness the Dalai Lama. His Holiness (albeit in jest) urges Tibetan youngsters and parents to do their bit for the Tibetan cause by increasing the Tibetan population. He made a similar remark during a private audience with a delegation of Tibetan Women’s association in 2014.

It is understandable that an institutional intervention is needed to address the growing predicament facing Tibetan people and the Tibetan freedom struggle. A robust Tibetan population will not only engender the continuation of the Tibetan race but will ensure effective preservation of Tibetan culture and language, which is facing perilous destruction in occupied Tibet.

However, the success of these drives by the CTA, is contingent upon the sense of conviction and shouldering of responsibility by every individual Tibetans. As global citizens, Tibetans very much like the rest of humanity are entitled to reproductive rights, but when reproducing dons a responsible avatar and a fulfillment further the Tibetan cause, the public, as in any proper democracy, must exercise agency. Tibetans from across the spectrum must ensure that the insoluble dilemma facing the dwindling Tibetan population is solved.

http://tibet.net/2018/06/the-dilemma-facing-a-dwindling-tibetan-population-in-india/ (http://tibet.net/2018/06/the-dilemma-facing-a-dwindling-tibetan-population-in-india/)
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Rowntree on August 05, 2018, 07:04:42 PM
This new article http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/jayadeva-ranades-insightful-observation-on-dalai-lamas-declining-situation/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/jayadeva-ranades-insightful-observation-on-dalai-lamas-declining-situation/) is a very powerful one. It analyses the CTA's situation and concluded the Dalai Lama going back to Tibet, China is the way to go. I agree because there is no way the Tibetans will be able to preserve their cultural heritage and live without much surveillance if His Holiness continues to live in exile. The CCP knew about this very well and would very much like to have His Holiness back because of the most effective way to control Tibetans is to have His Holiness' cooperation. The Chinese and His Holiness' representative is believed to have been on constant negotiations for His Holiness to return. A clear sign was the trip Prof. Samdhong Rinpoche made to China without the Indian's consent that he denied.

It is only logical for the Tibetans to be returning to Tibet. The CTA to be abolished and His Holiness returns to Tibet and retired from the Tibet issue once and for all.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Pema8 on September 21, 2018, 08:49:36 PM
Listening to the news nowadays I believe that the Dalai Lama encourages the Tibetans to go back to Tibet also.  I believe that with the quote: “…Europe belongs to Europeans” and that ultimately refugees should “develop their own country”, the Dalai Lama states exactly this.

The Free Tibet movement is over as the Dalai Lama said clearly that the Tibetans have the choice to become a beggar or ask money from China:

"Do you want money or not? Do we prefer a free Tibet but we become beggars (poor) or do we prefer to stay in an autonomous zone under China? That way, if we ask China for money, they will give."

Continue reading here: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China to capitalize on China’s prosperity  http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/dalai-lama-advocates-tibetans-return-to-china-to-capitalize-on-chinas-prosperity/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/dalai-lama-advocates-tibetans-return-to-china-to-capitalize-on-chinas-prosperity/)
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: SabS on September 22, 2018, 06:00:54 PM
All the words from the Dalai Lama had been towards going back to China and eventually to Tibet. The Dalai Lama is already old and if going by the news, may have cancer. Won't it be compassionate to just fulfill his wish to go back. Why is CTA so anti-Dalai Lama? Are they going to treat the Dalai Lama as Chinese spy since his intention has been made so clear for the whole world. Will CTA start propaganda against the Dalai Lama since he is pro-China now? See, Dorje Shugden has not harmed anyone or any causes at all. In fact, DS Lamas and practitioners are in the good position to fulfill Dalai Lama's wishes. Of course that is if the ban on Dorje Shugden is lifted, right??!!. We can't have the Dalai Lama who instigated the ban on Dorje Shugden in to China without conditions right??!! ;)
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Dondrup Shugden on September 23, 2018, 04:48:34 AM
Dalai Lama has said that He wishes to return to Tibet. With his clairvoyance, it is obviously time to return to Tibet, China.

However are there competent members of CTA that can negotiate to have China accept the return of Tibetans who have grown up abroad and may not have the ability to assimilate into the environment of the current modern Tibet and opportunities in Tibet under China's guiding hand.

Being a Tibetan in China, besides economic advantages, there are also great social advantages.  Take for instance, Tibetans in exile are under great duress to secure passports from western countries or to gain Indian citizenship. Chinese passports which are held by Tibetans in China have great value for accessibilities into countries of the world.

Like in the Ban on Dorje Shugden, CTA have erred in their vision and mission but it is not too late to make amends.

Pray CTA will wake up and realise that the ban on Dorje Shugden and all their fears of China should removed in order to benefit Tibetans on the whole.   
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: DharmaSpace on September 23, 2018, 12:07:10 PM
Yes of late the Dalai Lama, has been talking a lot about returning to Tibet.

After 60 years the Tibetan diaspora hasn't done so well, in the international scene or even in India. Also there are no new refugees going to India anymore to join up with the Tibetan so better to head back.

Also whilst the Tibetans are in India, a lot of issues have cropped up, Dorje Shugden Issue, Two Karmapas, Drukpa vs Karma Kagyu..... etc. Provincial difference U-Tsang, Amdo, Kham rivalries have flared up as well. So as a whole the Tibetan people in exile are not doing well at all being out of Tibet etc.   

Time for the Tibetan Long March back to Tibet.

Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Tracy on October 23, 2018, 10:18:18 PM
After 60 years in exile, the Tibetan leadership has not brought any good for the Tibetans, what they have is scandal after scandal. The Tibetans are still refugees, they don't have a proper traveling document. They don't have the privilege of a citizen of a country.

But look at the Tibetans in China, under the ruling of the Chinese government, they have so much progress. Their living condition and standard of living are definitely better than before when they were still under the Tibetan leadership. There is no more slavery system, everyone has the same opportunity in terms of education and work opportunity. Many of them are successful in different industries be it in business, entertainment or arts.

So it is definitely better to go back to China! China has the resources to provide the Tibetans what they need and can provide them a better standard of living. The Chinese government is also helping the Tibetan to preserve their heritage. What the CTA cannot do for the Tibetans, China will be able to provide. So why still stay as a refugee in India? It is better to go back to China.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: SabS on October 25, 2018, 04:43:38 AM
After 60 years in exile, the Tibetan leadership has not brought any good for the Tibetans, what they have is scandal after scandal. The Tibetans are still refugees, they don't have a proper traveling document. They don't have the privilege of a citizen of a country.

But look at the Tibetans in China, under the ruling of the Chinese government, they have so much progress. Their living condition and standard of living are definitely better than before when they were still under the Tibetan leadership. There is no more slavery system, everyone has the same opportunity in terms of education and work opportunity. Many of them are successful in different industries be it in business, entertainment or arts.

So it is definitely better to go back to China! China has the resources to provide the Tibetans what they need and can provide them a better standard of living. The Chinese government is also helping the Tibetan to preserve their heritage. What the CTA cannot do for the Tibetans, China will be able to provide. So why still stay as a refugee in India? It
is better to go back to China.


Yes, what you say is true! See how China is allowing Tibetan women to grow in their capacity and freedom to interact with learning from other countries. This is only a small part of what China is doing for the Tibetans. If CTA was caring, then they would work with China to help their people.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1124247.shtml (http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1124247.shtml)
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Drolma on October 29, 2018, 10:11:12 PM
After 60 years in exile, the Tibetan leadership has not brought any good for the Tibetans, what they have is scandal after scandal. The Tibetans are still refugees, they don't have a proper traveling document. They don't have the privilege of a citizen of a country.

But look at the Tibetans in China, under the ruling of the Chinese government, they have so much progress. Their living condition and standard of living are definitely better than before when they were still under the Tibetan leadership. There is no more slavery system, everyone has the same opportunity in terms of education and work opportunity. Many of them are successful in different industries be it in business, entertainment or arts.

So it is definitely better to go back to China! China has the resources to provide the Tibetans what they need and can provide them a better standard of living. The Chinese government is also helping the Tibetan to preserve their heritage. What the CTA cannot do for the Tibetans, China will be able to provide. So why still stay as a refugee in India? It
is better to go back to China.


Yes, what you say is true! See how China is allowing Tibetan women to grow in their capacity and freedom to interact with learning from other countries. This is only a small part of what China is doing for the Tibetans. If CTA was caring, then they would work with China to help their people.

[url]http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1124247.shtml[/url] ([url]http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1124247.shtml[/url])


What you say is correct. China is a progressive country, they want to give equal opportunity to their people regardless of their genders. They want everyone to contribute to the economy of the country. Therefore, the Chinese government also put their focus to empower women in different areas.

There are so many opportunities for the Tibetans now if they work hard, they will get what they want. In China, there are many Tibetan entertainers who are successful and famous. In contrary, we don't really see many famous or successful Tibetans in the Tibetan community.

Another thing we have to be aware of is the CTA can't even manage 100,000 to 120,000 Tibetans in exile, how confident are they to manage the 6 million Tibetans in China? Personally, I don't trust the CTA.  I would rather pack up and go back to China.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: SabS on October 29, 2018, 11:20:49 PM

What you say is correct. China is a progressive country, they want to give equal opportunity to their people regardless of their genders. They want everyone to contribute to the economy of the country. Therefore, the Chinese government also put their focus to empower women in different areas.

There are so many opportunities for the Tibetans now if they work hard, they will get what they want. In China, there are many Tibetan entertainers who are successful and famous. In contrary, we don't really see many famous or successful Tibetans in the Tibetan community.

Another thing we have to be aware of is the CTA can't even manage 100,000 to 120,000 Tibetans in exile, how confident are they to manage the 6 million Tibetans in China? Personally, I don't trust the CTA.  I would rather pack up and go back to China.


Definitely, should go back. After all, what can be worse than living in the hovel of the camps, dependent on CTA's miserly dole out. I would advise them to hurry too. If CTA were to broker the deal to return to China, I wonder if they will placed into camps again, to be rehabilitated with China's doctrines before released into society. China will be monitoring very tightly for any signs of rebellion as CTA is not exactly clean in being docile. Until now CTA is going against the Dalai Lama's wishes to go back to China by bad-mouthing China to everyone they meet and publicly. And they said they support the Dalai Lama?? No.....they are Anti-Dalai Lama for the continue supply of money into their retirement funds.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: thaimonk on October 31, 2018, 02:22:17 PM
The Fifth World Buddhist Forum




The Fifth World Buddhist Forum is held from Oct. 28 to 30 in the coastal city of Putian in east China's Fujian Province. About 800 people, including Chinese and overseas Buddhists, scholars and journalists are attending the event.

The forum emphasizes the positive roles of religious people in economic and social development, the Belt and Road Initiative and the building of a community with a shared future for mankind. This year's event is covering ten subforums, covering topics such as Buddhism and marine silk road, Buddhism and environmental protection, Buddhism and a community with a share future for mankind. Jointly proposed by Buddhist communities in Chinese mainland, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macao in 2005, the World Buddhist Forum was established as a platform for Buddhists to communicate and cooperate.

Prominent Lamas like Panchen Lama, Gangchen Rinpoche are attending this event.




Pictures of Lamas and Dorje Shugden lamas gathering in China for Buddhist conference. In the video is Kundeling Rinpoche speaking at this conference where over 800 Buddhist teachers, students and thinkers from around the world attended in China.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: thaimonk on October 31, 2018, 02:29:12 PM
Sooner or later, the Dalai Lama has to beg China to let him and his people back into Tibet. Because he is getting very old and it's been 60 years in exile and he has made no progress with getting Tibet back. Tibetans will get diluted in India over time and there is no way to preserve their culture. Tibetans around the world find their children are diluted within their host country's culture and losing their Tibetan culture as with all refugees.

Dalai Lama has made many wrong decisions and thought that the world will support him because he is morally correct but guess what? No one is supporting him anymore. He is alone and getting more and more alone.

China is too powerful and the prestige is growing.

More Tibetans and lamas going back to Tibet so they can preserve their culture in Tibet and meet their relatives and friends.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: DharmaSpace on October 31, 2018, 05:54:35 PM
The Buddha Dharma also can be better preserved under the might of China, than it can be in India.

Remember Buddhism was extinguished once before previously in India. In China all spirituality at one point was suppressed, no faith was particularly singled out for suppression. 
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Alex on November 01, 2018, 01:25:40 AM
Sooner or later, the Dalai Lama has to beg China to let him and his people back into Tibet. Because he is getting very old and it's been 60 years in exile and he has made no progress with getting Tibet back. Tibetans will get diluted in India over time and there is no way to preserve their culture. Tibetans around the world find their children are diluted within their host country's culture and losing their Tibetan culture as with all refugees.

Dalai Lama has made many wrong decisions and thought that the world will support him because he is morally correct but guess what? No one is supporting him anymore. He is alone and getting more and more alone.

China is too powerful and the prestige is growing.

More Tibetans and lamas going back to Tibet so they can preserve their culture in Tibet and meet their relatives and friends.

His Holiness the Dalai Lama is already half begging now. He kept on repeating that he wants to go back to Tibet and Tibet is good to be under China. He had mentioned this on several events and several different occasions. Seems like he is getting desperate as the time goes by.

Of course, it is better for Tibetans to return to Tibet because it is where they came from. China has been investing in Tibet with millions to build roads and airport. They also initiated works to preserve the ancient religious sites and monasteries. They even funded the monastery. This is incredible because they are an Atheist government.

His Holiness the Dalai Lama is now 83 years old and he has not much time left for him. He has to make sure that he is able to return to China before he passes away to secure the welfare of the Tibetans in Exile. It is quite sad because it is quite a burden on the shoulders of an old man. The CTA is totally useless, instead of helping out the situation, they are making it worst.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: SabS on November 03, 2018, 05:41:02 PM
The Fifth World Buddhist Forum




The Fifth World Buddhist Forum is held from Oct. 28 to 30 in the coastal city of Putian in east China's Fujian Province. About 800 people, including Chinese and overseas Buddhists, scholars and journalists are attending the event.

The forum emphasizes the positive roles of religious people in economic and social development, the Belt and Road Initiative and the building of a community with a shared future for mankind. This year's event is covering ten subforums, covering topics such as Buddhism and marine silk road, Buddhism and environmental protection, Buddhism and a community with a share future for mankind. Jointly proposed by Buddhist communities in Chinese mainland, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macao in 2005, the World Buddhist Forum was established as a platform for Buddhists to communicate and cooperate.

Prominent Lamas like Panchen Lama, Gangchen Rinpoche are attending this event.




Pictures of Lamas and Dorje Shugden lamas gathering in China for Buddhist conference. In the video is Kundeling Rinpoche speaking at this conference where over 800 Buddhist teachers, students and thinkers from around the world attended in China.

This is such a clear sign of China's acceptance of DS Lamas and how the Dalai Lama should really resolve the issue of DS ban to work with these eminent Lamas for the chance to return home to Tibet. China will not heed or concede to CTA who creates propaganda against China for sponsorship monies. So it is left to the DS Lamas who have the ability to help the Dalai Lama in negotiations with China. Such a nice heartwarming sight to see all the great Lamas and Sangha together without discrimination and so warm towards each other. The Panchen Lama gets on well with them too. Thank you for sharing these pictures Thaimonk. Always nice to see Sangha gathering.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Alex on November 03, 2018, 07:53:59 PM
The Fifth World Buddhist Forum




The Fifth World Buddhist Forum is held from Oct. 28 to 30 in the coastal city of Putian in east China's Fujian Province. About 800 people, including Chinese and overseas Buddhists, scholars and journalists are attending the event.

The forum emphasizes the positive roles of religious people in economic and social development, the Belt and Road Initiative and the building of a community with a shared future for mankind. This year's event is covering ten subforums, covering topics such as Buddhism and marine silk road, Buddhism and environmental protection, Buddhism and a community with a share future for mankind. Jointly proposed by Buddhist communities in Chinese mainland, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macao in 2005, the World Buddhist Forum was established as a platform for Buddhists to communicate and cooperate.

Prominent Lamas like Panchen Lama, Gangchen Rinpoche are attending this event.




Pictures of Lamas and Dorje Shugden lamas gathering in China for Buddhist conference. In the video is Kundeling Rinpoche speaking at this conference where over 800 Buddhist teachers, students and thinkers from around the world attended in China.

Thank you, Thai monk, for sharing that with us. It is heartwarming to see His Holiness the Panchen Lama and Gangchen Rinpoche is attending World Buddhist Forum and that means that there is true religious freedom in China and the government of China supports that too. How nice to see Dorje Shugden people attending forums without being discriminated.

This is what happened before CTA imposes a ban on Dorje Shugden practice. Everybody gets along and there is no problem with Dorje Shugden practice for 350 years. After CTA had announced the ban, the community is being separated into 2 and Dorje Shugden practitioners are being segregated and discriminated. This is what the ban had done to the once peaceful and happy community.

The ban had caused alot of suffering and pain unnecessarily and it is certainly not contributing anything to the Buddhist community. All the ban does is creating more pain and suffering and the worst part of the ban is that the reasons that supporting the ban is not even true. They are lies created by CTA just to serve their own selfish purpose.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Tracy on November 06, 2018, 07:50:17 AM
The Fifth World Buddhist Forum




The Fifth World Buddhist Forum is held from Oct. 28 to 30 in the coastal city of Putian in east China's Fujian Province. About 800 people, including Chinese and overseas Buddhists, scholars and journalists are attending the event.

The forum emphasizes the positive roles of religious people in economic and social development, the Belt and Road Initiative and the building of a community with a shared future for mankind. This year's event is covering ten subforums, covering topics such as Buddhism and marine silk road, Buddhism and environmental protection, Buddhism and a community with a share future for mankind. Jointly proposed by Buddhist communities in Chinese mainland, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macao in 2005, the World Buddhist Forum was established as a platform for Buddhists to communicate and cooperate.

Prominent Lamas like Panchen Lama, Gangchen Rinpoche are attending this event.




Pictures of Lamas and Dorje Shugden lamas gathering in China for Buddhist conference. In the video is Kundeling Rinpoche speaking at this conference where over 800 Buddhist teachers, students and thinkers from around the world attended in China.

It is nice to see the Chinse government is supporting Buddhism and giving many opportunities for many Buddhist masters to spread Dharma in China. The Chinese government has provided a very good learning environment and condition for the 11th Panchen Lama. At such a young age of 28 years old, the 11th Panchen Lama already has the qualification and charisma to command the crowd and to give teachings.

The photo of Gangchen Rinpoche holding hands with the Panchen Lama is quite heartwarming. Gangchen Rinpoche has helped to raise a lot of fund for Sera monastery in India. But after the ban was imposed, he was not welcome to the monastery anymore simply because he did not want to give up Dorje Shugden practice. His close connection with China also causes him some troubles. He is often called a Chinese spy or a traitor to the Dalai Lama.

But for the past 20 years, Gangchen Rinpoche has not made any political statements at all. He is very focused on doing his Dharma works, he did not criticise anyone. So how can he be a spy? He has contributed so much to the monastery prior to the ban but people just forget about it conveniently.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Drolma on January 13, 2019, 05:51:12 AM
It is definitely better to return to China. The lives of the Tibetans in China is so much better than those in India. The facilities in Lhasa are so modern, there are hospitals, schools, universities, houses and infrastructure built for them. There are programs launched by the Chinese government to help them to improve their lives. Tibetan language is still widely used and can be learned in the schools.

The Chinese government did not take away the rights of the Tibetans to learn and speak their own language and to preserve their culture. The Tibetans are given the religious freedom to practice what they want as long as it does not impose a threat to the national security. The CTA on the other hand, even though claim themselves to be democratic, they don't give religious freedom to the Dorje Shugden practitioners.

After 60 years of ruling under the CTA, why did the Tibetans get? If the CTA is a good leader, the number of Tibetans supporting the free Tibet movement should increase, how come we don't see more freedom fighters? If there is hope in the Free Tibet movement, why are there so many Tibetans migrating to the US and Europe and many CTA members hold a passport of another country?
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Alex on January 13, 2019, 11:47:01 AM
I fully support Tibetans to return to China after seeing 60 years of leadership from the CTA. After six decades of living with the status of refugee in India, it seems like the Tibetan community did not improve much from 60 years ago when they first arrived in India. There is still absolutely no progress with the Tibetan cause.

Over the 60 years, they are living in India, the Tibetan leadership received many donations internationally as well as from India. India had given them alot of resources and aids as well. The number of donations they receive annual can be easily over hundreds of millions. However, Tibetans in exile are still the same. I do not think any of the donations actually reached the hands of the Tibetans in exile.

The Tibetan leadership is renowned for their corruption and Mr Lobsang Sagnay has several properties in foreign countries that were being paid off rather quickly raised alot of suspicion. Tibetans will not go anywhere with that kind of government that they have currently. If they go back to China, they will be much better off because China has proven themselves to be better in handling Tibet.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Tracy on January 29, 2019, 08:21:15 AM
I fully support Tibetans to return to China after seeing 60 years of leadership from the CTA. After six decades of living with the status of refugee in India, it seems like the Tibetan community did not improve much from 60 years ago when they first arrived in India. There is still absolutely no progress with the Tibetan cause.

Over the 60 years, they are living in India, the Tibetan leadership received many donations internationally as well as from India. India had given them alot of resources and aids as well. The number of donations they receive annual can be easily over hundreds of millions. However, Tibetans in exile are still the same. I do not think any of the donations actually reached the hands of the Tibetans in exile.

The Tibetan leadership is renowned for their corruption and Mr Lobsang Sagnay has several properties in foreign countries that were being paid off rather quickly raised alot of suspicion. Tibetans will not go anywhere with that kind of government that they have currently. If they go back to China, they will be much better off because China has proven themselves to be better in handling Tibet.

I agree with you that the Tibetans should return to China. The way the CTA treats the Tibetans is just like in the old days, the Tibetans are slaves to them to help them make money, there is no welfare for the Tibetans. The CTA exploits the Tibetans by making them remain as refugees in order to enjoy the free money and benefits from the west and some international NGO.

There is a reason why the Tibetan government in exile is downgraded to an administration. They have not done anything a government should be doing. For example, education. After 60 years, they only managed to establish secondary schools but no university or higher learning institution. On the other hand, China has established higher learning institutions in Tibet where everyone gets the same opportunities to enroll to study.

China has managed their country well and has provided not just the basic but more to the people. If the Tibetans are smart, they should go back to China because the future is brighter. It is time they realise the CTA is only using them for money.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Drolma on February 06, 2019, 03:50:07 PM
Between China and the CTA, I will choose China. Under the ruling of China, Tibet has progressed so fast. They have upgraded the infrastructure in the major cities such as Lhasa and Shigatse. There are highways, railways connecting mainland China with Tibet. Basic amenity such as school, university, hospital are all provided by the Chinese government.

The Chinese government is fair to everyone, you just have to be hard working then you will get what you want. On the other hand, the CTA does not work in this way. They work on nepotism. If you are close to someone in the CTA or you have a relative working in the CTA, you can also get a job and be protected even though you might have made a big mistake.

For the Tibetans who are willing to work hard to change their lives, China definitely is the right choice. China rewards people based on merit, not based on the relationship. Relying on the CTA is a waste of time and it is not worthy. The CTA does not care about the Tibetans and they never will!
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Alex on February 18, 2019, 02:03:21 PM
Between China and the CTA, I will choose China. Under the ruling of China, Tibet has progressed so fast. They have upgraded the infrastructure in the major cities such as Lhasa and Shigatse. There are highways, railways connecting mainland China with Tibet. Basic amenity such as school, university, hospital are all provided by the Chinese government.

The Chinese government is fair to everyone, you just have to be hard working then you will get what you want. On the other hand, the CTA does not work in this way. They work on nepotism. If you are close to someone in the CTA or you have a relative working in the CTA, you can also get a job and be protected even though you might have made a big mistake.

For the Tibetans who are willing to work hard to change their lives, China definitely is the right choice. China rewards people based on merit, not based on the relationship. Relying on the CTA is a waste of time and it is not worthy. The CTA does not care about the Tibetans and they never will!

Tibet is so much better now compared to the time where it was being ruled by the Tibetan government. China really did their best with Tibet and invested alot of money, time and resources into Tibet. Many infrastructures are being built such as roads and airports which is unaffordable for the Tibetan government if they are allowed to take back their country at the very moment.

Other than that, China also invested alot into the people and tried to eradicate poverty perfectly in a few years time. The number of people that are being lifted out of poverty is incredible. They manage to reduce the % of poverty in Tibet from 25% to 7% recently and they aim to totally eradicate poverty in the near future.

All of these are very unlikely to happen if Tibetan leadership is the one that has control over the entire Tibet. The Chinese invasion on Tibet is a blessing in disguise for Tibet because the life in Tibet will stay stagnant and horrific. People should stop complaining of how China has destroyed Tibet and start to talk about how China has helped Tibet.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Tracy on February 20, 2019, 04:47:12 PM
The CTA is getting weaker every day. Not only the Karmapa is rebelling, the Tibetans are also losing confidence in them. More Tibetans are applying for Indian citizenship to get a real identity so they can travel overseas freely. They don't want to be a refugee anymore.

As the Dalai Lama ages, the Tibetans finally realise the dream to free Tibet and going back to Tibet will remain a dream. The CTA is not really keen on the Middle Way approach, they are still condemning China and supporting free Tibet movement. Lobsang Sangay has not shown any effort in establishing a dialogue with China.

The financial aid from the west is getting lesser too as they also have financial problems. No one will have the capacity to continue to provide financial support for a cause that does not show results after 60 years. To use the Tibet issue to try to undermine China is proven to be a failure, China continues to grow stronger every day.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: SabS on February 25, 2019, 09:10:25 AM
The CTA is getting weaker every day. Not only the Karmapa is rebelling, the Tibetans are also losing confidence in them. More Tibetans are applying for Indian citizenship to get a real identity so they can travel overseas freely. They don't want to be a refugee anymore.

As the Dalai Lama ages, the Tibetans finally realise the dream to free Tibet and going back to Tibet will remain a dream. The CTA is not really keen on the Middle Way approach, they are still condemning China and supporting free Tibet movement. Lobsang Sangay has not shown any effort in establishing a dialogue with China.

The financial aid from the west is getting lesser too as they also have financial problems. No one will have the capacity to continue to provide financial support for a cause that does not show results after 60 years. To use the Tibet issue to try to undermine China is proven to be a failure, China continues to grow stronger every day.

You are right! It would be smart for those who are still in refugee status to return to China who is investing so much to bring up the living conditions in Tibet for their citizens there. The Chinese Tibetans have also so much freedom compared to the previous feudalistic governance by the Tibetan Leaders. They are now free to start their business, own land for farming, women to have the means to earn for their family, own properties for housing or business, etc. The Chinese government even provide skill training and sometimes send groups to overseas counterparts for further learning. All these are made available as the Chinese government sees Tibet as part of China and care for their citizens to prosper instead of living in squalid conditions. Of course, this is contrary to what CTA practices as they prefer their people to live in poor conditions. Otherwise, they will have no means to beg for sponsorships. Such a sharp contrast between capable and ineffectual governance.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Tracy on February 25, 2019, 06:49:49 PM

You are right! It would be smart for those who are still in refugee status to return to China who is investing so much to bring up the living conditions in Tibet for their citizens there. The Chinese Tibetans have also so much freedom compared to the previous feudalistic governance by the Tibetan Leaders. They are now free to start their business, own land for farming, women to have the means to earn for their family, own properties for housing or business, etc. The Chinese government even provide skill training and sometimes send groups to overseas counterparts for further learning. All these are made available as the Chinese government sees Tibet as part of China and care for their citizens to prosper instead of living in squalid conditions. Of course, this is contrary to what CTA practices as they prefer their people to live in poor conditions. Otherwise, they will have no means to beg for sponsorships. Such a sharp contrast between capable and ineffectual governance.

The Chinese government doesn't believe in divide and conquer strategy. They understand unity and harmony is extremely important in order for the country to progress. Therefore, the Chinese government will never create disharmony or conflicts among its people.

The Chinese government sometimes gives financial help to the poor or the needy regardless of their background. Their main purpose is to make sure everyone in the country is working towards the same goal and no one is left out. They have successfully brought down the poverty rate in Tibet from 35.2% to 7.9%. So, did the CTA do much for the Tibetan in excel?

Comparing the 2 leaderships there is no doubt the Chinese government has produced more result than the CTA. The Chinese government has improved the living standard of the Tibetans and given the Tibetans more opportunities. The CTA, on the other hand, is still struggling to free Tibet and fails to give the Tibetans a better future.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Tracy on March 04, 2019, 12:20:41 PM
It is definitely better for the Tibetans to go back to China than to stay in India under the ruling of the CTA. Under the ruling of the CTA, the lives of the Tibetans have not improved or progressed, they are still living in poverty. But the Chinese government gives the Tibetans so much opportunity and help to improve their lives.

Dakpa Kelden was born in India but he chose to go back to China when he was 16 in the 80s. He went back to his father's hometown in Shangrila. It was hard in the beginning because he had to learn the Chinese language but he managed it. Later, he found a job in the public sector and he was given the time to further his study in administration and economics at a vocational school. In 1995, he decided to venture into the private sector.

Dakpa Kelden was very fortunate to meet some kind people who sponsored his studies in Austria and the US. After his studies, he went back to China to start his own business. Now, he is a very successful businessman, he owns 2 boutique hotels and a tour company. Apart from that, he also established a non-profit organisation to preserve Tibetan culture. Clearly, China offers more opportunities to the Tibetans than the CTA. China wants the Tibetans to be successful but the CTA wants the Tibetans to continue to live as a refugee in poverty so they can continue to use the plight of the Tibetans to make money for themselves.

https://www.tibetsun.com/features/2019/01/20/how-a-tibetan-hotelier-born-in-exile-helped-put-shangri-la-on-the-map (https://www.tibetsun.com/features/2019/01/20/how-a-tibetan-hotelier-born-in-exile-helped-put-shangri-la-on-the-map)

Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Drolma on March 06, 2019, 11:54:27 AM
It is definitely better for the Tibetans to go back to China than to stay in India under the ruling of the CTA. Under the ruling of the CTA, the lives of the Tibetans have not improved or progressed, they are still living in poverty. But the Chinese government gives the Tibetans so much opportunity and help to improve their lives.

Dakpa Kelden was born in India but he chose to go back to China when he was 16 in the 80s. He went back to his father's hometown in Shangrila. It was hard in the beginning because he had to learn the Chinese language but he managed it. Later, he found a job in the public sector and he was given the time to further his study in administration and economics at a vocational school. In 1995, he decided to venture into the private sector.

Dakpa Kelden was very fortunate to meet some kind people who sponsored his studies in Austria and the US. After his studies, he went back to China to start his own business. Now, he is a very successful businessman, he owns 2 boutique hotels and a tour company. Apart from that, he also established a non-profit organisation to preserve Tibetan culture. Clearly, China offers more opportunities to the Tibetans than the CTA. China wants the Tibetans to be successful but the CTA wants the Tibetans to continue to live as a refugee in poverty so they can continue to use the plight of the Tibetans to make money for themselves.

https://www.tibetsun.com/features/2019/01/20/how-a-tibetan-hotelier-born-in-exile-helped-put-shangri-la-on-the-map (https://www.tibetsun.com/features/2019/01/20/how-a-tibetan-hotelier-born-in-exile-helped-put-shangri-la-on-the-map)

I must say Dakpa Kelden made the right choice to go back to China 30 years ago. He has so much opportunity in China. He was given the education, a job in the government sector. The Chinese government doesn't give the job to just the Han people but they give equal opportunity to everyone. Dakpa was also given the time to further his study to upgrade himself. Look at how successful he is now.

One thing that I find very heart-warming is that he established a non-profit organisation to preserve the Tibetan culture. A man who is not super rich can do that, how come CTA who is so rich can't even preserve Tibetan culture and Tibetan Buddhism? The CTA is just useless and doesn't care.

This also shows that the Chinese really cares about their people. They want their people to be competitive that is why many opportunities are given to them to improve their skills. If Dakpa is still in India, he will still be a refugee and living in poverty. He would not have the chance to meet all the nice people he has met over the years in China and became a successful businessman today.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Tracy on March 28, 2019, 03:10:27 PM
The Chinese government is very progressive and aggressive. They manage to reduce the poverty rate in Tibet from 35% to 8% in 5 years time. This achievement is remarkable, can CTA do achieve this? The Chinese government has the money and the right resources to do that. They are very experienced in managing a country and an economy of 1.3 billion people.

The CTA, on the other hand, is only capable of creating conflicts in the Tibetan community. They want the Tibetans to remain as refugees and fail to give a direction to the Tibetans. The future of the Tibetans is very uncertain and shaky. However, the CTA just doesn't care.

The living condition in Tibet is so much better than in India and there is so much more opportunity. For the Dalai Lama to ask the Tibetans to go back to China, it must be that he is also losing hope in the CTA. He is telling the Tibetans instead of relying on the CTA, they should just go back to Tibet on their own.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: daka on March 29, 2019, 04:14:20 PM
The Chinese government is very progressive and aggressive. They manage to reduce the poverty rate in Tibet from 35% to 8% in 5 years time. This achievement is remarkable, can CTA do achieve this?

Not only that, I recently read about China is spending 300 million yuan ($45 million) over the next 10 years to preserve ancient documents and anthologies at the Potala Palace in Lhasa. The preservation project, starting this year, will be the largest of its kind at the palace complex.

China really put in the effort to improve the living standard of Tibetans and also helping them preserve the precious culture and scriptures.

I am not taking side of any party, however, if you ask me to choose between China and CTA, I think my answer is quite clear and fast. There's no compete. 
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Alex on March 30, 2019, 05:31:56 PM
The Chinese government is very progressive and aggressive. They manage to reduce the poverty rate in Tibet from 35% to 8% in 5 years time. This achievement is remarkable, can CTA do achieve this?

Not only that, I recently read about China is spending 300 million yuan ($45 million) over the next 10 years to preserve ancient documents and anthologies at the Potala Palace in Lhasa. The preservation project, starting this year, will be the largest of its kind at the palace complex.

China really put in the effort to improve the living standard of Tibetans and also helping them preserve the precious culture and scriptures.

I am not taking side of any party, however, if you ask me to choose between China and CTA, I think my answer is quite clear and fast. There's no compete.

I guess now the Tibetan government can't say China is destroying their culture and religion because they are actually investing in the preservation of those ancient documents and anthologies. Not to mention that China also invested in preserving monasteries and recently, they just finish in maintaining Potala Palace's roof.

All the allegations that the Tibetan government made against the Chinese government turn out to be false or inaccurate. Even they themselves did not do any of these while they are ruling Tibet or now in the Tibetan settlements. They are still not developed despite 60 years in exile.

The Tibetan government is not interested in using those funds to benefit their people because their wallet comes first when it comes to money. Hence, all the money that they receive will benefit the CTAs people online.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Drolma on April 29, 2019, 05:19:16 PM
China has become the strongest economy in the world. They are now leading the one-belt-one-road initiative to bring more economic activities to the participating countries. The initiative will bring a very positive impact on the growth of the country.

The strategy of China is very simple, they want a win-win situation. When it is a win-win situation, there will be greater support and cooperation from the other party, harmony can be maintained and there is no risk to the stability of a country. As a result, people like to work with China.

China will only grow stronger. Therefore, it is better to go back to Tibet than to stay in India. China is giving so many possibilities to its people whereas the CTA only exploits its own people to achieve their personal agenda. The CTA is proven to be a useless government, time to say goodbye to them!
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: SabS on April 30, 2019, 08:38:54 AM
President Xi of China is a very far-sighted strategist who plans for long term benefits of his country and actually the world too. There are many actions that China had taken that seem questionable and yet they fall into place and the world grudgingly concede that he is right. All the hardline actions against any instability in China is to make it an example so that there will not be any disruption to the peace of the people. He had also "conquered" the world with his peaceful economic take over rather than destruction to the countries like a big bully. So all in all, I would say that President Xi is a good leader to have. CTA with Lobsang Sangay does not even begin to match up. Nope. Not even an iota of what President Xi has accomplished. All Lobsang Sangay has done is to self-indulge in serving to his own needs before others. There goes the Dalai Lama's wish to return to Tibet and it seems an impossibility now. Sad.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Tracy on April 30, 2019, 12:04:48 PM
President Xi of China is a very far-sighted strategist who plans for long term benefits of his country and actually the world too. There are many actions that China had taken that seem questionable and yet they fall into place and the world grudgingly concede that he is right. All the hardline actions against any instability in China is to make it an example so that there will not be any disruption to the peace of the people. He had also "conquered" the world with his peaceful economic take over rather than destruction to the countries like a big bully. So all in all, I would say that President Xi is a good leader to have. CTA with Lobsang Sangay does not even begin to match up. Nope. Not even an iota of what President Xi has accomplished. All Lobsang Sangay has done is to self-indulge in serving to his own needs before others. There goes the Dalai Lama's wish to return to Tibet and it seems an impossibility now. Sad.

President Deng Xiaoping was the one who opened the door of China to the outside world. President Xi brings China to another level in the international arena. Both presidents are ambitious but not for their own benefit, they are doing this for the benefit of the people. When people of a country become competitive and wealthy, so is the country.

President Xi doesn't believe in dominance. He could have kept the wealth of the world to China but he didn't. He believes in the win-win approach. He also understands all of us are interdependent and thus we have to work with each other in harmony. War starts when there is extreme unfairness, win-win approach ensure this is not happening.

For CTA, it is a completely different story. They don't believe in the Middle Way or the win-win approach. That is why until today they still have not started to negotiate with China. They should know by now to free Tibet is impossible, the next best thing is to get the autonomous status for Tibet. Being greedy means losing everything. I wonder when will CTA learn this.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Tenzin K on April 30, 2019, 05:42:16 PM
In fact, now a day we don’t hear people move from Tibet to India and we have heard many people from India want to go back to Tibet. Why so? The reason is very easy and logical, we wouldn’t want to leave a place if it’s bad and of course we want to stay at a place we it’s comfortable and suit our needs. So for Tibetan in Tibet there wouldn’t want to move elsewhere because their condition is ok and I believe it better opportunity than going to stay in India where you can see CTA doesn’t do much for the Tibetan after 60 years.

We can say how bad Chinese is but at this point of time look at the decision of the Tibetan, there want to move out of Tibet or the Tibetan in India want to come back to Tibet?

The answer tell us what the current situation is.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Drolma on June 21, 2019, 08:20:23 PM
It is definitely not a blessing to be a refugee or as a stateless person. However, the CTA is happy to maintain the refugee status for the normal Tibetans. But for themselves, they have already gotten a passport from the western countries.

The main reason for the CTA to maintain the refugee status is for them to make easy money. All the CTA cares about is their one interest such as money and power. As a government, they have failed miserably in providing the Tibetans in exile a better life and future.

China on the other hands wants to make sure the Tibetans are also taken care of. They have invested a lot of money to improve the living conditions in Tibet. Everyone in China has the same right regardless of their ethnical background. Tibet was rather backward 60 years ago but things are different now. Tibet is definitely a better place to live now.   
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: SabS on June 21, 2019, 10:01:45 PM
President Xi of China is a very far-sighted strategist who plans for long term benefits of his country and actually the world too. There are many actions that China had taken that seem questionable and yet they fall into place and the world grudgingly concede that he is right. All the hardline actions against any instability in China is to make it an example so that there will not be any disruption to the peace of the people. He had also "conquered" the world with his peaceful economic take over rather than destruction to the countries like a big bully. So all in all, I would say that President Xi is a good leader to have. CTA with Lobsang Sangay does not even begin to match up. Nope. Not even an iota of what President Xi has accomplished. All Lobsang Sangay has done is to self-indulge in serving to his own needs before others. There goes the Dalai Lama's wish to return to Tibet and it seems an impossibility now. Sad.

President Deng Xiaoping was the one who opened the door of China to the outside world. President Xi brings China to another level in the international arena. Both presidents are ambitious but not for their own benefit, they are doing this for the benefit of the people. When people of a country become competitive and wealthy, so is the country.

President Xi doesn't believe in dominance. He could have kept the wealth of the world to China but he didn't. He believes in the win-win approach. He also understands all of us are interdependent and thus we have to work with each other in harmony. War starts when there is extreme unfairness, win-win approach ensure this is not happening.

For CTA, it is a completely different story. They don't believe in the Middle Way or the win-win approach. That is why until today they still have not started to negotiate with China. They should know by now to free Tibet is impossible, the next best thing is to get the autonomous status for Tibet. Being greedy means losing everything. I wonder when will CTA learn this.

Totally agree with you but CTA will never see this. Now that the Dalai Lama is old and not feeling well to limit his travel activities, Lobsang Sangay tries to step in to do more international engagements. But of course, after years and years of dependency on the Dalai Lama, he is not holding court with any influential people of position that matters. All he gets is 2nd or 3rd liners that most often don't even hold any weight in governmental decisions anymore.

Definitely, all Tibetans should seriously consider returning to China if they are not doing well in their current state. China had invested and is still investing huge amount into Tibet and the people are benefitting from it. I would say that those who complain are those who are still in the old mentality of having things handed to them without having to work for it, which China frowns on. In China, reward is base on effort. It is only CTA who practice otherwise as they lived off begging for so many years that it has become 2nd nature to them and its programmed into their sense of entitlement. All this I would say is the Tibetan Leaders' failures at guiding their people to meet the world's living conditions after their exile.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: dsnowlion on June 21, 2019, 10:57:42 PM
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Nepal Army chief meets China's Def Min; discusses plans to upgrade military ties

Nepal also signed a transit treaty with China to use Chinese ports for its foreign trade in a bid to reduce dependence on Indian ports.

Under the "one China" policy, Nepal for its part has been cracking down hard on Tibetans crossing into India through Nepal to meet the Dalai Lama.

Source: https://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/nepal-army-chief-meets-china-s-def-min-discusses-plans-to-upgrade-military-ties-119062000900_1.html (https://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/nepal-army-chief-meets-china-s-def-min-discusses-plans-to-upgrade-military-ties-119062000900_1.html)

Actually, I am not sure that if Tibetans wish to return to Tibet, China these days whether it will be welcomed anymore as China is seeing them more and more as a nuisance than anything else.

Well, whatever it may be, Tibetans in Nepal better behave themselves as Nepal will no longer tolerate their nonsense especially since now they will further rely on China's Military and they intend to have a very good and strong relationship with cooperation from Nepal.

Looks like Nepal is no longer a good place for CTA disseminate their poison and create havoc, their propaganda against China and Shugden will no longer be accepted.

It is highly possible that they will soon crackdown all the CTA/Dalai Lama supporters who always create problems.

"Wei stated the Chinese military's willingness to work with the Nepalese side to maintain sound development momentum of bilateral military ties, step up long-term planning and top-level design of military cooperation and promote continuous consolidation, deepening and upgrading of the ties between the two militaries, the report said."

"Thapa expressed Nepal's appreciation towards China's long-term support and help, saying the Nepalese armed forces were willing to step up cooperation with China in various areas and contribute to deepening the Nepal-China friendship."
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Tenzin K on June 21, 2019, 11:02:31 PM
China always looks into the stability of their country. They will not allow any activities that go against this policy. For this, the Tibetan can rest assured that they will not be forced to be separated, discrimination or any sort of treatment that will cause any instability.

Why? This is because China has a huge population that they can't effort to be out of control and any havoc happen it's not going to be easy to manage. China working very hard to boost the economy not only giving many opportunities for their own people but to the point of creating the opportunity for other countries as well.

Look at the different Tibetan in China and Tibetan in India. Which will you prefer to stay?
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: SabS on June 22, 2019, 06:49:51 PM
Yes, China do so much for the Tibetans and their standard of living. Here is a news article of the Tibetan is grateful to be earning.

"In 2017, Guangdong, one of the most developed provinces in China, bankrolled an international tourism development project in Lunang. Local residents like Lhapa Tsering, 42, were sent to receive training on providing quality dining and accommodation services to visitors.

In 2018, the township made 70 million yuan (about 10 million U.S. dollars) in revenue from tourism, local authorities said.

Lhapa Tsering made about half a million yuan last year. "Life has become as good as it can be," he said."

Source: http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-06/22/c_138164456.htm (http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-06/22/c_138164456.htm)

Wow! Half a million yuan ----- that is a fortune. And Lobsang Sangay is going all over the place putting China down. The truth is the Tibetans appreciate all these opportunities. Lobsang Sangay is totally a liar in whatever he says otherwise.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: dsnowlion on June 22, 2019, 11:15:29 PM
Definitely, Tibetans should return to Tibet if they wish for a better future.

CTA and the hypocrite lousy leader Lobsang Sangay can say whatever they want to say about the "horrible" situation in Tibet, of course as usual without much proof, while on the other side China will keep developing Tibet to become a world-class Tourism industry. This will obviously help in decreasing poverty in Tibet as there are tangible results to look forward to. This is also being witnessed by the world, as Beijing makes it one of their goals to change the world's perspective on the way they handle Tibet. They will do all they can to change that perspective in order to gather strong support and good allies for their overall global growth. China is always thinking big and thinking way ahead into the future and unfortunately, that future does not include stupid CTA who is always creating problems for them. They sure are dumb, hopeful new elections will bring them a better President with real brains this time. Is there such a potential amongst Tibetans? Usually, it is the high Lamas that has the wisdom, foresight and brains. Unfortunately, they are not supposed to deal with politics any more.

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Tibet gets staunch support in battle against poverty

Source:Xinhua Published: 2019/6/22 16:00:09

The township of Lunang in the southeastern part of Tibet has become a booming tourist destination for those who want to experience the challenge of climbing a plateau while still enjoying enough oxygen. 

Last year, over 1 million tourists visited the small township in Nyingchi, which is at a lower altitude than Lhasa, capital of Tibet Autonomous Region. Lunang is described as an oxygen bar with alpine beauty comparable to that of Switzerland. 

In 2017, Guangdong, one of the most developed provinces in China, bankrolled an international tourism development project in Lunang. Local residents like Lhapa Tsering, 42, were sent to receive training on providing quality dining and accommodation services to visitors. 

In 2018, the township made 70 million yuan (about 10 million US dollars) in revenue from tourism, local authorities said. 

Lhapa Tsering made about half a million yuan last year. "Life has become as good as it can be," he said. 

The leapfrog development of ecological tourism in Lunang is both a result and an example of "pairing-up support for Tibet" from provincial-level regions and centrally-administered enterprises. 

With the pairing-up support policy, which started in 1994, certain provinces, municipalities and state-owned enterprises are designated to render assistance to different places of the plateau region for development. 

These authorities and organizations gathered in Nyingchi Monday for a special working conference on how to better help Tibet eradicate absolute poverty and create jobs for this year and the next. More than 200 projects were signed during the conference, with a planned investment of over 21.5 billion yuan. 

Statistics show that last year, 17 provincial-level regions and 16 centrally-administered companies invested over 9 billion yuan to the region. Close to 69 percent of the fund went to 44 counties with a large number of the population live under the poverty line of per capita annual income of 2,230 yuan. 

Most of the fund has been spent on the grassroots level to help herders and farmers, said a source of the Tibet autonomous regional poverty relief and development office. 

Located above 4,000 meters above sea level, Tibet is one of the main grounds in China's nationwide battle against poverty. The region has made great progress since anti-poverty campaigns began, and it needs to consolidate the results, said Liu Yongfu, director of the State Council Leading Group Office of Poverty Alleviation and Development, at the conference. 

This year, Tibet aims to lift the remaining 150,000 people out of poverty and take 19 counties off the list of poverty. 

Aid from other provinces has helped shore up industries to achieve the anti-poverty targets. In Xigaze, where Mount Qomolangma is located, companies from Shanghai set up factories to process and sell trademark products such as saffron, trout and Thangka paintings. 

Funds, talent and expertise from developed cities like Shanghai have helped local Tibetans set up high-end factories rather than low-end ones, authorities said. 

Meanwhile, aid to Tibet has been used to build the region's financial, medical and educational services, among others. 

China Development Bank has issued 52.3 billion yuan of loans to impoverished counties in Tibet, benefitting over 400,000 people, said Zhao Huan, the bank board chairman. 

Sinopec, a centrally-administered state-owned enterprise, helped sell bottled water from the region through its sales network. By the end of 2018, over 1 billion bottles had been sold, the company said. 

Groups of education and medical specialists have been sent to Tibet. Doctors from Guangdong set up the first hemodialysis center in Nyingchi. In the last four years, 600 medical workers have provided assistance to hospitals and patients in Tibet.

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Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Alex on June 23, 2019, 04:57:07 PM
Definitely, Tibetans should return to Tibet if they wish for a better future.

CTA and the hypocrite lousy leader Lobsang Sangay can say whatever they want to say about the "horrible" situation in Tibet, of course as usual without much proof, while on the other side China will keep developing Tibet to become a world-class Tourism industry. This will obviously help in decreasing poverty in Tibet as there are tangible results to look forward to. This is also being witnessed by the world, as Beijing makes it one of their goals to change the world's perspective on the way they handle Tibet. They will do all they can to change that perspective in order to gather strong support and good allies for their overall global growth. China is always thinking big and thinking way ahead into the future and unfortunately, that future does not include stupid CTA who is always creating problems for them. They sure are dumb, hopeful new elections will bring them a better President with real brains this time. Is there such a potential amongst Tibetans? Usually, it is the high Lamas that has the wisdom, foresight and brains. Unfortunately, they are not supposed to deal with politics any more.


CTA really has some brain issues because while they keep saying China is making Tibet worst when there is plenty of evidence of Tibet becoming a better place now under China's governance. Who would believe them? Does CTA think that everyone is as dumb as them and not check the news before believing them? Their words are not convincing at all.

With the current CTA leadership, Tibet will never be a free country. There is no way they can negotiate with China to get back Tibet's independence. They have wasted 60 years of their lives waiting and waiting and yet, no results. They have missed the opportunity to get back Tibet now.

China had invested a lot into Tibet and it is illogical for them to take their hands off Tibet now. Tibet had flourished with China's help. It is so much better than the Tibet before the invasion in 1959. Tibetans just have to accept that China's government is much better than their government.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Tenzin K on July 13, 2019, 10:47:30 AM
I have heard of how China refurbish monastery and make Tibet a tourist spot. This is good news and will create a lot of opportunity for Tibetan in Tibet. I don't China will torture Tibetan and as far as I know, China is very particular in his people stability and would not allow any disharmony. Compare the situation in India, I believe Tibetan in China is much better in their style of living. In India, CTA will not do anything like what did to Tibetan in Tibet and in term of their future China will not let Tibet be a white elephant.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: SabS on July 14, 2019, 09:16:34 AM
CTA really has some brain issues because while they keep saying China is making Tibet worst when there is plenty of evidence of Tibet becoming a better place now under China's governance. Who would believe them? Does CTA think that everyone is as dumb as them and not check the news before believing them? Their words are not convincing at all.

With the current CTA leadership, Tibet will never be a free country. There is no way they can negotiate with China to get back Tibet's independence. They have wasted 60 years of their lives waiting and waiting and yet, no results. They have missed the opportunity to get back Tibet now.

China had invested a lot into Tibet and it is illogical for them to take their hands off Tibet now. Tibet had flourished with China's help. It is so much better than the Tibet before the invasion in 1959. Tibetans just have to accept that China's government is much better than their government.

And you know what? CTA is losing control over their people anyway. There are news of Sakya monks in Nepal visiting Dorje Shugden related websites and learning of the truth daily. So who's to say that others are not doing the same? Haha! CTA has no control over this at all. Lobsang Sangay for all his rhetoric will never regain the trust of the people, especially when they read for themselves the truth and will start to doubt everything that CTA says. End of the road for CTA and Lobsang Sangay.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Alex on July 15, 2019, 05:00:02 AM
CTA really has some brain issues because while they keep saying China is making Tibet worst when there is plenty of evidence of Tibet becoming a better place now under China's governance. Who would believe them? Does CTA think that everyone is as dumb as them and not check the news before believing them? Their words are not convincing at all.

With the current CTA leadership, Tibet will never be a free country. There is no way they can negotiate with China to get back Tibet's independence. They have wasted 60 years of their lives waiting and waiting and yet, no results. They have missed the opportunity to get back Tibet now.

China had invested a lot into Tibet and it is illogical for them to take their hands off Tibet now. Tibet had flourished with China's help. It is so much better than the Tibet before the invasion in 1959. Tibetans just have to accept that China's government is much better than their government.

And you know what? CTA is losing control over their people anyway. There are news of Sakya monks in Nepal visiting Dorje Shugden related websites and learning of the truth daily. So who's to say that others are not doing the same? Haha! CTA has no control over this at all. Lobsang Sangay for all his rhetoric will never regain the trust of the people, especially when they read for themselves the truth and will start to doubt everything that CTA says. End of the road for CTA and Lobsang Sangay.

CTA think they can fool the people by hiding the truth and keep forcing lies onto their own people. There is no way for the people to find out the truth and they will not be fooled by them forever. Many Tibetans in exile know about their lies and choose to flee to other countries to seek a better future and many of them lead a successful life now.

CTA should know by now that the number of Tibetans in exile is decreasing year by year and soon there will be no one left for them to govern over and they will have to dissolve. It is actually better for them to dissolve because it will be less trouble for everyone and it will be better for the world.

CTA is nothing but trouble for everyone around them. All they do is to take and use people around them including their own people. They even go as far as encouraging their people to kill themselves just to generate attention to get donations. This is how low the CTA can go.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Tracy on July 15, 2019, 06:06:23 AM
And you know what? CTA is losing control over their people anyway. There are news of Sakya monks in Nepal visiting Dorje Shugden related websites and learning of the truth daily. So who's to say that others are not doing the same? Haha! CTA has no control over this at all. Lobsang Sangay for all his rhetoric will never regain the trust of the people, especially when they read for themselves the truth and will start to doubt everything that CTA says. End of the road for CTA and Lobsang Sangay.

Many Tibetans don't trust CTA anymore because they don't keep their promises and they always blame others for their failure. They cannot even give Tibetans a clear timeline how much longer they have to fight to free Tibet. Lobsang Sangay is busy flying here and there to garner supports but what did he deliver at the end of the day? Nothing really.

China is different, China has progressed so much for the past 30 years. From a backward country, China has become one of the super power of the world, commanding world's economy. There are so much more opportunities and possibilities in Tibet than in India or else where. Tibetans should know by now to free Tibet is not really possible. To go back to Tibet (China) will be the best choice they can make.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Alex on July 16, 2019, 04:28:33 AM
And you know what? CTA is losing control over their people anyway. There are news of Sakya monks in Nepal visiting Dorje Shugden related websites and learning of the truth daily. So who's to say that others are not doing the same? Haha! CTA has no control over this at all. Lobsang Sangay for all his rhetoric will never regain the trust of the people, especially when they read for themselves the truth and will start to doubt everything that CTA says. End of the road for CTA and Lobsang Sangay.

Many Tibetans don't trust CTA anymore because they don't keep their promises and they always blame others for their failure. They cannot even give Tibetans a clear timeline how much longer they have to fight to free Tibet. Lobsang Sangay is busy flying here and there to garner supports but what did he deliver at the end of the day? Nothing really.

China is different, China has progressed so much for the past 30 years. From a backward country, China has become one of the super power of the world, commanding world's economy. There are so much more opportunities and possibilities in Tibet than in India or else where. Tibetans should know by now to free Tibet is not really possible. To go back to Tibet (China) will be the best choice they can make.

China's progress over the 60 years is very different than the Tibetan's progress. China became one of the most powerful countries in the world while Tibetans are still hiding in their Tibetan settlements in India. How long do the Tibetans plan to stay in India? They had stayed for more than half a century already.

No one stays as a refugee for over half a century and has no progress at all. The Tibetans are just fooling around for the past 60 years thinking that they can force the Chinese to give them back Tibet just by pressuring them together with foreign countries. Little did they know, China can progress so much in such a short amount of time.

Independence for Tibet is impossible and Tibetans had missed the best time for them to fight the Chinese when they are still weak. Instead of working on their goal, they created a lot of problems for everyone around them including their own poeple.
Title: Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
Post by: Tracy on November 18, 2019, 07:06:49 AM
China's progress over the 60 years is very different than the Tibetan's progress. China became one of the most powerful countries in the world while Tibetans are still hiding in their Tibetan settlements in India. How long do the Tibetans plan to stay in India? They had stayed for more than half a century already.

No one stays as a refugee for over half a century and has no progress at all. The Tibetans are just fooling around for the past 60 years thinking that they can force the Chinese to give them back Tibet just by pressuring them together with foreign countries. Little did they know, China can progress so much in such a short amount of time.

Independence for Tibet is impossible and Tibetans had missed the best time for them to fight the Chinese when they are still weak. Instead of working on their goal, they created a lot of problems for everyone around them including their own poeple.
The Dalai Lama knew it was impossible to free Tibet and it does not bring benefits to Tibetans if Tibet is an independence state. The CTA is incapable of managing a country, this is for sure. Just look at the situation of the Tibetans in exile now, they have not progressed much compared to the Tibetans in Tibet. Not only that, Tibetans in exile are separated into different groups, each is hostile to another. If the CTA cannot even manage a population of 80,000 people, how can they manage millions of people? The Dalai Lama wants the Middle Way approach, he only wants autonomous region status for Tibet but the CTA still insists on independence. Why doesn't the CTA listen to the Dalai Lama?