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Title: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Rowntree on May 18, 2018, 03:22:42 AM
Tibet has so much natural resources that the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) is missing out on! Recently, China has identified a thermal spring rich in the rare gas helium. If Lobsang Sangay was smart, he could have gotten the autonomy deal done with China and can now take advantage of the rich resources in Tibet, working with China to generate profit. Too bad he is short-sighted and only focuses on appealing to the West for sympathy money to fill up his and his cronies' pockets.

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Thermal spring with rare gas found in Tibet

Source: Xinhua| 2018-05-10 16:37:26|Editor: ZX

BEIJING, May 10 (Xinhua) -- A thermal spring rich in the rare gas helium has been identified in Tibet Autonomous Region, and has the potential to be exploited, the Science and Technology Daily reported Thursday.

Researchers from China and the United States believe the helium concentration could be as high as 1.11 percent in some thermal-spring gas in Ali prefecture in Tibet, the newspaper quoted a source of the Institute of Tibetan Plateau Research with the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) as saying.

If helium concentration exceeds 0.1 percent it can be be [sic] industrially utilized.

Helium is a colorless and odorless inert gas with a low boiling point. It has been widely used in aerospace, low temperature superconductivity, the nuclear industry and scientific research. The concentration of helium in the atmosphere is only 5.2 parts per million, making the cost of its extraction very high.

In 2001, Chinese researchers with the Institute of Geology and Geophysics of the CAS discovered thermal-spring gas with a high concentration of helium at an altitude of 4,340 meters, during a geothermal study. They and U.S. researchers with Stanford University in July gathered the gas samples and recently revealed the test results.

China has low levels of helium, and has relied on imports for a long time. There is only one natural gas field in China that can realize the industrial exploitation of helium.

[url]http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-05/10/c_137169789.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-05/10/c_137169789.htm[/url])
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: dsnowlion on May 19, 2018, 04:34:55 AM
Tibet has so much natural resources that the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) is missing out on! Recently, China has identified a thermal spring rich in the rare gas helium. If Lobsang Sangay was smart, he could have gotten the autonomy deal done with China and can now take advantage of the rich resources in Tibet, working with China to generate profit. Too bad he is short-sighted and only focuses on appealing to the West for sympathy money to fill up his and his cronies' pockets.

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Thermal spring with rare gas found in Tibet

WELL, unfortunately, he is NOT?
If he is, he would have shut his gap a long time ago about China this China that.
Now he shall WAIT to get royally kicked out from INDIA.
Don't think the Indians cannot smell a snake... they are good at spotting one... and he has swindled his own people millions and got away from not paying any taxes in India. Not for long!
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: DharmaSpace on May 19, 2018, 04:21:05 PM
Tibet is resource and mineral rich, everyone knows that.

So if the CTA and Lobsang Sangay are smart they would make their way back to China and bring other Tibetans in exile back to Tibet.

With more resources come to the surface, China will only tighten its grip on Tibet, no umaylam or rangzen will be able to sway China's position. 
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Drolma on August 09, 2018, 06:24:17 PM
Yes, if Lobsang Sangay was smart, he should take the Middle Way approach to have China accepting them to go back to Tibet for good. China has invested a lot in Tibet, the infrastructure is much better than before, some may even be better than India. China has the financial resources to further develop Tibet.

The CTA doesn't have any substance, they are not capable of running a country that is for sure. There are only about 100,000 Tibetans in exile but look at how successful the CTA is in grooming their new generation? Until today, you don't see any famous or successful Tibetans from Tibetan in exile community. If the CTA really succeeds in getting their country back, will they be able to run a country that big? The mentality of the Tibetans are not the same as those in exile, can the CTA manage it?

Tibetans in Tibet has been under Chinese's ruling for the past 60 years, people are getting comfortable with the system, their standard of living has improved tremendously, who wants to change it? If I were a Tibetan living in Tibet, I don't want the CTA to manage me, they have no good track record in fulfilling their promise or bring betterment to the people. China has brought development to Tibet, there is a better education opportunity and better work opportunity, why let go?
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Questionable on August 09, 2018, 07:37:19 PM
Yes, if Lobsang Sangay was smart, he should take the Middle Way approach to have China accepting them to go back to Tibet for good. China has invested a lot in Tibet, the infrastructure is much better than before, some may even be better than India. China has the financial resources to further develop Tibet.

The CTA doesn't have any substance, they are not capable of running a country that is for sure. There are only about 100,000 Tibetans in exile but look at how successful the CTA is in grooming their new generation? Until today, you don't see any famous or successful Tibetans from Tibetan in exile community. If the CTA really succeeds in getting their country back, will they be able to run a country that big? The mentality of the Tibetans are not the same as those in exile, can the CTA manage it?

Tibetans in Tibet has been under Chinese's ruling for the past 60 years, people are getting comfortable with the system, their standard of living has improved tremendously, who wants to change it? If I were a Tibetan living in Tibet, I don't want the CTA to manage me, they have no good track record in fulfilling their promise or bring betterment to the people. China has brought development to Tibet, there is a better education opportunity and better work opportunity, why let go?

Well, there is one problem.  China needs to improve its environment and pollution.  It's already polluted Tibetan rivers that were once fresh and rich to drink from, taken down mountains, etc.  I'm pretty sure the powerful nature spirits of these areas would not be pleased by this, nor would they be too happy with the imbalance of elements and toxicity by factories.
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Rowntree on August 12, 2018, 02:14:45 AM
China's pollution issues are massive, just look at the industrial capital Beijing. In addition, they are known to hoard their country with waste https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/images-show-chinas-staggering-waste-problem/news-story/5cb9c535e84d940b2028d2cf8a4adae6 (https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/images-show-chinas-staggering-waste-problem/news-story/5cb9c535e84d940b2028d2cf8a4adae6) which has extended to Tibet for sure including setting its rocket station there https://www.reuters.com/article/us-space-launch-china-onespace/china-launches-first-rocket-designed-by-a-private-company-idUSKCN1II0FK (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-space-launch-china-onespace/china-launches-first-rocket-designed-by-a-private-company-idUSKCN1II0FK)

Question is whether China is the ONLY country that does this? The answer is no. China is being targetted heavily because everyone is jealous of their improvement, especially Trump and the US who see her as the biggest threat among other countries.
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Drolma on August 12, 2018, 06:58:25 PM
Pollution is the price one has to pay for the rapid development in a country. Tell me which western country did not pollute or destroy the environment when their economy was still in the developing stage? For example the Rhine river in Europe, it was once very polluted in the 1950s to the 1970s due to human activity. It was not until the 1980s that the river was slowly cleaned up.

In the process of development, pollution is unavoidable, the western countries have been through that stage, why are they condemning China? If their motivation is really to protect the environment, they should give solution and support to China. Like it or not, China needs development to grow its economy and power.

It is also not true that China doesn't care about the environment, the Chinese government has put in quite a lot of effort in solving the pollution issue. According to the Greenpeace, China has successfully tackled the pollution issue in 2017. Tighter regulations and rules are also imposed to help to solve the problem.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2127736/china-winning-pollution-battle-big-cities-other-areas. (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2127736/china-winning-pollution-battle-big-cities-other-areas.) 

China's pollution issues are massive, just look at the industrial capital Beijing. In addition, they are known to hoard their country with waste https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/images-show-chinas-staggering-waste-problem/news-story/5cb9c535e84d940b2028d2cf8a4adae6 (https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/images-show-chinas-staggering-waste-problem/news-story/5cb9c535e84d940b2028d2cf8a4adae6) which has extended to Tibet for sure including setting its rocket station there https://www.reuters.com/article/us-space-launch-china-onespace/china-launches-first-rocket-designed-by-a-private-company-idUSKCN1II0FK (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-space-launch-china-onespace/china-launches-first-rocket-designed-by-a-private-company-idUSKCN1II0FK)

Question is whether China is the ONLY country that does this? The answer is no. China is being targetted heavily because everyone is jealous of their improvement, especially Trump and the US who see her as the biggest threat among other countries.
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Pema8 on September 06, 2018, 07:27:44 AM
Lobsang Sangay is not smart because instead of doing his job for the Tibetan people he creates more and more problems between the Tibetans and China and even encouraging them to self-immolate!

Of course Sangay and the Dalai Lama should be back in Tibet and working together with the Chinese on autonomy. The living conditions in Tibet have improved so much now. Of course there is pollution, but where is no pollution? Where development happens, there is also pollution but the Chinese are working on it and are finding  solutions.

What solutions does the CTA the Central Tibetan Administration find? Solutions for their own big scandals to hide and put under the carpet. Great! What are the opportunities for the Tibetans in India as refugees? None!

What would you choose?



Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: SabS on September 06, 2018, 12:33:04 PM
Well its an established fact...Lobsang Sangay is not smart! If he was, then all his people would be happy, harmonious and hold him high in respect. They would have received support to become powerful contributors in their society and the world would look up to them because despite being refugees, they had made themselves to be something. With the respect, the world would have been behind them when they face China for dialogue and China would have sat up to listen. The billions sponsored by generous donors could have done so much towards these "could haves". Instead the refugees are suffering hopelessness, discrimination, segregation, poverty, exploitations and desperation, especially those still stuck in the refugee camps. If Lobsang Sangay was not so arrogant and listened with support of the Dalai Lama's plan for autonomy, then he could already be back in Tibet celebrating this discovery of helium. No, definitely not smart at all.....
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Alex on September 07, 2018, 02:23:09 AM
H.H Dalai Lama has expressed his wish to return to Tibet under China on a few occasions. If Lobsang Sangay was smart, he would have started to kiss China's feet to get on China's good side. If he still continues his actions and goes around the world condemning China and talk bad about China, how will China government think?

On one side, His Holiness starts to get on China's good books and then the President of the Tibetan Government goes around the world talking bad about China. China will be confused about their intention and will probably delay His Holiness's chance to get back to Tibet. Lobsang Sangay is not helping His Holiness, but in fact, causing more trouble for His Holiness to accomplish what he wants to accomplish.
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Rowntree on September 07, 2018, 05:01:26 AM
Lobsang Sangay is stupid and I started to think he paid for his PhD in Havard. I read the comments from his 2 supervisors and they didn't mention anything about the quality of his thesis. However, they paid a lot of attention to his network and especially the connections he had with Chinese. Well, he hasn't been successful with his so-called network and he continues to fail the Tibetan refugees. He hasn't secured any meeting with any Chinese officials and he hasn't organized a dialogue with the Chinese officials. He is way below being incompetent. He is using the Sikyong role for embezzlement, corruption, sexual assaults, fame, power, international media exposure and making himself an idiot embarrassing the Dalai Lama around the world. Imagine the power the Dalai Lama has in the world and his right-hand man is nothing but a useless pervert who is full of greed. Sad is an understatement to say the least.

Lobsang Sangay is not smart because instead of doing his job for the Tibetan people he creates more and more problems between the Tibetans and China and even encouraging them to self-immolate!

Of course Sangay and the Dalai Lama should be back in Tibet and working together with the Chinese on autonomy. The living conditions in Tibet have improved so much now. Of course there is pollution, but where is no pollution? Where development happens, there is also pollution but the Chinese are working on it and are finding  solutions.

What solutions does the CTA the Central Tibetan Administration find? Solutions for their own big scandals to hide and put under the carpet. Great! What are the opportunities for the Tibetans in India as refugees? None!

What would you choose?
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Tracy on April 15, 2019, 05:54:29 AM
Well its an established fact...Lobsang Sangay is not smart! If he was, then all his people would be happy, harmonious and hold him high in respect. They would have received support to become powerful contributors in their society and the world would look up to them because despite being refugees, they had made themselves to be something. With the respect, the world would have been behind them when they face China for dialogue and China would have sat up to listen. The billions sponsored by generous donors could have done so much towards these "could haves". Instead the refugees are suffering hopelessness, discrimination, segregation, poverty, exploitations and desperation, especially those still stuck in the refugee camps. If Lobsang Sangay was not so arrogant and listened with support of the Dalai Lama's plan for autonomy, then he could already be back in Tibet celebrating this discovery of helium. No, definitely not smart at all.....

I think Lobsang Sangay is smart but in the wrong way. He is smart to use Tibetans' plight to make money for himself effortlessly. He uses his position and power to cover his failure as a leader. Not ony that, he gives favour to women he has an affair with. If he is not smart, how did he manage to get a passport and property in America apart from the money and the women?

Lobsang Sangay is a typical Tibetan politician who exploits the normal Tibetans and doesn't value their lives. His administration refuses to let Tibetan in India apply for Indian citizenship because he wants to use their refugee status to beg for free money.  He encourages Tibetans to self-immolate so he has a case to further victimised himself for more money.

From what CTA and Lobsang Sangay is doing, one will wonder if they are really Buddhists? They claim Buddhism is their culture and they have the responsibility to preserve it, but they are not practising it! What the Tibetan leadership is doing is really shameful. They are arrogant and selfish, that is why they lost their country.
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Alex on April 15, 2019, 11:30:29 AM
Well its an established fact...Lobsang Sangay is not smart! If he was, then all his people would be happy, harmonious and hold him high in respect. They would have received support to become powerful contributors in their society and the world would look up to them because despite being refugees, they had made themselves to be something. With the respect, the world would have been behind them when they face China for dialogue and China would have sat up to listen. The billions sponsored by generous donors could have done so much towards these "could haves". Instead the refugees are suffering hopelessness, discrimination, segregation, poverty, exploitations and desperation, especially those still stuck in the refugee camps. If Lobsang Sangay was not so arrogant and listened with support of the Dalai Lama's plan for autonomy, then he could already be back in Tibet celebrating this discovery of helium. No, definitely not smart at all.....

I think Lobsang Sangay is smart but in the wrong way. He is smart to use Tibetans' plight to make money for himself effortlessly. He uses his position and power to cover his failure as a leader. Not ony that, he gives favour to women he has an affair with. If he is not smart, how did he manage to get a passport and property in America apart from the money and the women?

Lobsang Sangay is a typical Tibetan politician who exploits the normal Tibetans and doesn't value their lives. His administration refuses to let Tibetan in India apply for Indian citizenship because he wants to use their refugee status to beg for free money.  He encourages Tibetans to self-immolate so he has a case to further victimised himself for more money.

From what CTA and Lobsang Sangay is doing, one will wonder if they are really Buddhists? They claim Buddhism is their culture and they have the responsibility to preserve it, but they are not practising it! What the Tibetan leadership is doing is really shameful. They are arrogant and selfish, that is why they lost their country.

I agree. I think Lobsang Sangay is not stupid to be able to lie to so many Tibetans for so many years and he did nothing substantial for the Tibetan cause. He did literally nothing but he can still remain as the president and the Tibetans have so much hope and faith in him. He is very cunning and sneaky to be able to pull it off.

However, he should have used it in a different way and actually benefit the Tibetan people who are having such a hard time in India. It is a shame to see how Tibetans are getting bad leaders one after another and they are doomed to be in India forever. They will never have the chance to step into a free Tibet ever again.

China has progressed so much over the 60 years while the Tibetan leadership took their own sweet time in fighting for Tibet's independence. Now that China is so powerful and the whole world is practically afraid to offend them, CTA lost their chance to get back Tibet. China will never return Tibet to the Tibetans.
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Tenzin K on April 19, 2019, 04:38:03 AM
Lobsang Sangay only sees his opportunity outside China and particularly the country that he can turn to against China. That’s why the US is a long time ally but unfortunately, at this time many countries leaders will want to be friended China for their resource support include the US and many other countries that once supported CTA. Every country leader will look after their national welfare and put their people’s interests as their priority. Who will want to go against China for CTA and what can CTA give in return?

In fact, Lobsang Sangya should change his game plan now to be good with China and work his way to bring back His Holiness the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan back to Tibet. Tibet is still rich with its natural resources and China has everything to make it worth. This should be the long term plan for CTA.
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Alex on April 30, 2019, 07:08:43 PM
Lobsang Sangay only sees his opportunity outside China and particularly the country that he can turn to against China. That’s why the US is a long time ally but unfortunately, at this time many countries leaders will want to be friended China for their resource support include the US and many other countries that once supported CTA. Every country leader will look after their national welfare and put their people’s interests as their priority. Who will want to go against China for CTA and what can CTA give in return?

In fact, Lobsang Sangya should change his game plan now to be good with China and work his way to bring back His Holiness the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan back to Tibet. Tibet is still rich with its natural resources and China has everything to make it worth. This should be the long term plan for CTA.

The Tibetan leadership has been using the same tactic against China for 60 years and that is why they will never get back Tibet. Their so-called ally in the west such as the US is not supporting them for the sake of the Tibetans. Those "allies" are just using them as a tool to irk China.

Now that China became one of the strongest countries in the world, all of those western countries are trying to get benefit from China's enormous economy. That is why a lot of them dropped their support of Tibetans like a hot potato and start to get themselves into China's good books.

Now we know why suddenly the officials of various western countries are not meeting with His Holiness anymore. They are avoiding His Holiness to make China happy. The amount of support and aids from the western countries will decrease and soon Tibetan leadership will find themselves to be totally alone against the giant, China.
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: daka on May 01, 2019, 11:43:18 PM
Lobsang Sangay is smart in his own way. He doesn't want Dalai Lama to go back china, this is for sure because if the Dalai Lama goes back, he will lose his source of income.  So he is using every opportunity to make sure China is angry with the Dala Lama. And for this part alone, we can say that he is successful. He doesn't need to plan for long, the future of Tibet is not what he is concerning. So he just needs to grab as much money as he can while he is in power and while the West is still willing to give them money.
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: SabS on May 02, 2019, 06:12:58 AM
Hehehe! It is funny to read all the Ifs. But the thing is Lobsang Sangay thinks he is smart, smarter than the Dalai Lama too. Which is why he ignores the Dalai Lama's wishes for the middle way which the Dalai Lama had the foresight of China's world status now as the number 1. So Lobsang Sangay missed the boat in being on good terms with advantage with the Chinese President and for his people to benefit from the fast-growing economy of Tibet. He missed the kick-backs that he would have received from the Chinese in creating harmony for his people. He missed being the propagator of human lives instead of condoning and instigating self-immolation. The list goes on and on and on of the things he missed due to his short-sighted selfishness. Too bad! The Dalai Lama will no longer be in the position to catch his mistakes anymore as he is recuperating and nursing his illness.
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Alex on May 02, 2019, 02:08:11 PM
This is discussion thread is hilarious because it started with " If Lobsang Sangay was smart" when we already know that he is not smart at all. If he is smart, he would have used all his ability and every chance to get into China's good books in order for him to continue the dialogue with China to get back Tibet's independence.

The dialogue between China and Tibetan leadership is stuck for more than 10 years and there is no initiative from China's side to continue the dialogue with the Tibetans at all. Obviously, China is not bothered to have this dialogue with the Tibetans. They are doing quite fine with Tibet now.

It is the Tibetan leadership who desperately need to talk to China to get themselves back into Tibet. 1 month ago, China had released their white paper on Tibet and they have omitted their wish to talk to His Holiness the Dalai Lama. If they have decided that they do not need to talk to His Holiness, what makes the CTA think that China will want to even talk to them?

Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Tenzin K on May 02, 2019, 11:07:51 PM
China has the equipment, professional and resources dig and process the natural resources in Tibet. Not only that, China has the resources to develop Tibet which CTA never thought off but just want to keep going the rough route to irk the Chinese. The Chinese can make a shift for Tibet and give a better opportunity for Tibetan which is better than in India. 

CTA pls wake up!!!
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Drolma on May 20, 2019, 01:07:35 PM
In my opinion, Lobsang Sangay is smart. He knows how to take advantage of the situation to make his wallet fat. He is not a politician, improving the lives of the Tibetans is not his ambition, he is only after money and power. So why should he make peace with China?

It serves Lobsang Sangay no benefit at all to negotiate with China for autonomous status for Tibet. If that happens who will pay his bill? He will leave this job to the next president, he will not do that. What has he achieved over the years? Nothing much.

Lobsang Sangay is enjoying his time as the president of Tibetan in exile community. He is flying first class, staying in five-star hotels, eating in posh restaurants, no pressure to perform t work. Life is just too good for him. If Tibetans are clever, they will not vote for him to serve for another term.
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Alex on May 21, 2019, 02:10:51 PM
In my opinion, Lobsang Sangay is smart. He knows how to take advantage of the situation to make his wallet fat. He is not a politician, improving the lives of the Tibetans is not his ambition, he is only after money and power. So why should he make peace with China?

It serves Lobsang Sangay no benefit at all to negotiate with China for autonomous status for Tibet. If that happens who will pay his bill? He will leave this job to the next president, he will not do that. What has he achieved over the years? Nothing much.

Lobsang Sangay is enjoying his time as the president of Tibetan in the exile community. He is flying first class, staying in five-star hotels, eating in posh restaurants, no pressure to perform t work. Life is just too good for him. If Tibetans are clever, they will not vote for him to serve for another term.

Yes, Lobsang Sangay is smart but only for his own benefits. He has been President of the Tibetan government for so long, he did not achieve anything for fellow Tibetans in exile and what he did achieve is to his own benefit. What the Tibetan in exile need is a bright future and not selling sweater in Tibetan settlements for the rest of their lives.

There are many Tibetans that moved out of Tibetan settlements and led a successful life. There are so many examples and some even rise to become famous people. Those who continued to stay in Tibetan settlements are deprived of opportunities and only serve as a pawn to be manipulated by the Tibetan government to do their bidding.

There is a reason why they are still refugee in India after 60 years despite the enormous amount of help that the Tibetan government received from the western country in fighting for Tibet cause. Most of the Tibetan government members own a second passport from another country and they can just leave and settle into those countries easily. If they are truly passionate about Tibet cause, they would be loyal and Tibet and not accept citizenship from another country. It is obvious that they do not have any thoughts about going back to Tibet and Tibet cause is just another tool for them to milk money out of those westerners.

Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: daka on May 21, 2019, 10:40:32 PM

The dialogue between China and Tibetan leadership is stuck for more than 10 years and there is no initiative from China's side to continue the dialogue with the Tibetans at all. Obviously, China is not bothered to have this dialogue with the Tibetans. They are doing quite fine with Tibet now.

It is the Tibetan leadership who desperately need to talk to China to get themselves back into Tibet. 1 month ago, China had released their white paper on Tibet and they have omitted their wish to talk to His Holiness the Dalai Lama. If they have decided that they do not need to talk to His Holiness, what makes the CTA think that China will want to even talk to them?

Just a few days ago, there's news about a newly published book "Defining India" mentioned about China President Xi Jinping agreed to meet the Dalai Lama during a 2014 visit to India but a "cautious" New Delhi did not allow it to happen. The author of the book said Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government was concerned about maintaining good relations with China.

If what is mentioned in the book is true, it means that China used to open its door to the Dalai Lama but too bad it was India who dared not let this happen. I think the reason is clear enough, the Tibetans had never shown their sincerity in having a dialogue with China. If they are sincere in having a dialogue with China, they would have been very cautious about their way of handling China - Tibet relationship. If they were practising that, then both India and Tibetan government would have fought for the same goal that is to be friend with China. Then there's no reason for the Indian government to be so afraid of letting Xi Jinping to meet the Dalai Lama.

The fact that P Modi dared not let the meeting take place, somehow shows that he is not confident with what was going to come out from the Tibetan's mouth. Who are those Tibetans that always openly make China their enemy and always irritate China? The answer is CTA. And Lobsang Sangay definitely is the key person to create such a situation. Therefore if what is mentioned in the book is true, the blame is not on India but Lobsang Sangay.

Is he smart? I think if he manages to make the majority of those who fight for Tibet cause to be angry at India, then I think he is at least smart enough to manipulate people.
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Tenzin K on May 22, 2019, 05:09:49 AM


The Chinese has all the necessary to make good of the natural resources in Tibet. Tibet itself is a gem and what the Tibetan leadership need to do is to cooperate in order to gain the interest together. Fighting will not bring any benefits but if t work together, it will definitely bring more opportunities for everyone. Tibetan leadership alone unable to harvest and make full potential of their own resources. This is the fact and lets face it. They need expert, resources and technologies to convert their resources to something meaningful to them.

I hope the Tibetan leadership able to see and keep close relationship with China for their future.
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Alex on May 31, 2019, 04:23:09 AM

The Chinese has all the necessary to make good of the natural resources in Tibet. Tibet itself is a gem and what the Tibetan leadership need to do is to cooperate in order to gain the interest together. Fighting will not bring any benefits but if t work together, it will definitely bring more opportunities for everyone. Tibetan leadership alone unable to harvest and make full potential of their own resources. This is the fact and lets face it. They need expert, resources and technologies to convert their resources to something meaningful to them.

I hope the Tibetan leadership able to see and keep close relationship with China for their future.

With the rate of how Tibetan leadership is going, they will never be able to develop their country. That is why China has to come into the picture. China has invested so much into Tibet. They have given financial aids and land to everyone to help them get back up from their feet when they are freed from serfdom.

In just 60 years, China manages to reduce the rate of poverty in Tibet. According to them, they will succeed in eliminating poverty from Tibet in a few years time. This is a huge difference compared to the time when CTA is ruling Tibet where 95% of the population is living in poverty. China's invasion is beneficial to Tibet in the long run.

On the other hand, the Tibetan government is currently run by fools. They are stuck in India for 60 years and they did not do much to reclaim their independence. There is not much they can do now because China will definitely not going to give Tibet back to CTA any time soon after they have invested so much into Tibet.
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Tenzin K on June 02, 2019, 04:06:46 AM
From damming powerful rivers to tearing up savanna for mining to expelling Tibetan nomads from their ancestral lands, China is exploiting the natural resources of Tibet on an epic scale, a new book argues.

Tibet has huge reserves of copper, lithium, gold and silver. Most of it has never been touched, because the Tibetans didn't mine the land: it's against their religious practices to disturb the ground. But China has begun mining on an enormous scale.

China's been "gung-ho on dams ever since Mao Zedong came into power," Buckley explains, but not on the Tibetan Plateau — it was always in the East. Now the dam movement in China is expanding westward with no end in sight.

The headwaters of the Yangtze River, the Yellow River, the Brahmaputra, the Irrawaddy, the Ganges and the Mekong all flow from the high-altitude plateau into Asia, providing life-giving water for drinking, agriculture, fisheries and, more recently, hydropower.

“You've got the hugest hydro-potential ever,” Buckley says, “because you’re starting in the Himalayas and dropping 3,000 or 4,000 meters."
China wants to double its use of hydropower by 2020, as a way generating more “green” energy. The only way to do that is by expanding dam building to the rivers of Tibet, because the rivers of China are already thoroughly dammed, Buckley says. “You can't dam them anymore. China has more dams than the rest of the world put together. So they’re gradually working their way towards the Tibetan Plateau.”

So look at the big scale work of China and Tibetan definitely are in the pipeline for job opportunity and many more.

We see China is progressively moving forward with opportunity but what about CTA?
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Drolma on June 17, 2019, 11:20:05 AM

Just a few days ago, there's news about a newly published book "Defining India" mentioned about China President Xi Jinping agreed to meet the Dalai Lama during a 2014 visit to India but a "cautious" New Delhi did not allow it to happen. The author of the book said Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government was concerned about maintaining good relations with China.

If what is mentioned in the book is true, it means that China used to open its door to the Dalai Lama but too bad it was India who dared not let this happen. I think the reason is clear enough, the Tibetans had never shown their sincerity in having a dialogue with China. If they are sincere in having a dialogue with China, they would have been very cautious about their way of handling China - Tibet relationship. If they were practising that, then both India and Tibetan government would have fought for the same goal that is to be friend with China. Then there's no reason for the Indian government to be so afraid of letting Xi Jinping to meet the Dalai Lama.

The fact that P Modi dared not let the meeting take place, somehow shows that he is not confident with what was going to come out from the Tibetan's mouth. Who are those Tibetans that always openly make China their enemy and always irritate China? The answer is CTA. And Lobsang Sangay definitely is the key person to create such a situation. Therefore if what is mentioned in the book is true, the blame is not on India but Lobsang Sangay.

Is he smart? I think if he manages to make the majority of those who fight for Tibet cause to be angry at India, then I think he is at least smart enough to manipulate people.

I think China is always open for discussion or a dialogue. To have the Dalai Lama back in China will also bring benefits to the Chinese government. Many Tibetans still respect and listen to the Dalai Lama, he is still very influential in Tibet. The Chinese government wants him to help to 'control' the Tibetans but the Chinese government has to make sure the Dalai Lama is loyal to them.

Therefore, in order to negotiate with the Chinese government, CTA or the Dalai Lama must prove that they are loyal to the Chinese government. But looking at how Lobsang Sangay has been and is still touring around the world to put China down, the Chinese government will not trust him. Lobsang Sangay is not doing anything to change the perception of the Chinese government.

Not only the Chinese government does not trust the CTA, but the Indian government also does not trust them either. Otherwise, Modi would have helped to instrument a peaceful dialogue between the two of them. To maintain a good relationship with China is much more important than to help ungrateful people like Lobsang Sangay or the CTA.  Both Lobsang Sangay and CTA are just too arrogant and at the end of the day, they have to suffer, just wait and see.

Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Alex on June 21, 2019, 06:46:29 PM
Anyone saw the what Lobsang Sangay did for his court hearing? He didn't even bother to attend and just send a representative to the hearing. How arrogant this guy can be? He disrespects the court and the law and does things according to his convenience.

This is a guy that is supposed to be the example for every Tibetans to follow. He is the president of the exiled government and yet he acts like a child for disrespecting the law does things according to his mood. I guess he has been the president for too long and he forgot about how he was being elected to be the president in the first place.

However, looking at his accomplishment for the past years of him being the president, there is nothing for him to be arrogant about. There is nothing that he had done that truly benefitted the public.
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: SabS on July 18, 2019, 05:14:21 PM
Anyone saw the what Lobsang Sangay did for his court hearing? He didn't even bother to attend and just send a representative to the hearing. How arrogant this guy can be? He disrespects the court and the law and does things according to his convenience.

This is a guy that is supposed to be the example for every Tibetans to follow. He is the president of the exiled government and yet he acts like a child for disrespecting the law does things according to his mood. I guess he has been the president for too long and he forgot about how he was being elected to be the president in the first place.

However, looking at his accomplishment for the past years of him being the president, there is nothing for him to be arrogant about. There is nothing that he had done that truly benefitted the public.

Well, the title says it all "If Lobsang Sangay was smart..." which we had established he is NOT! If he was smart, he would have shared some of the wealth from sponsorships with his people to gain their loyalty. If he was smart, he would have known that reliance on western donations will dwindle in time and start making overtures to China. If he was smart, he would see the Dalai Lama is Cherenzig and listened to his advice to help his people return to Tibet where the standard of living is rising rapidly due to heavy investment by China into Tibet. If he was smart, he would have created a power base for himself riding on the Dalai Lama's tail and not rely on the Dalai Lama's charisma long term. So Lobsang Sangay is not smart at all. Now with more and more visiting Dorje Shugden related websites to learn the truth of his lies, just like some Sakya monks are doing in Nepal, he has no control and all his words will not be trusted again. He is dumb as he still does not see he is losing his powers over his own people. Never build any loyalty.
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Alex on July 20, 2019, 04:40:05 AM
Anyone saw the what Lobsang Sangay did for his court hearing? He didn't even bother to attend and just send a representative to the hearing. How arrogant this guy can be? He disrespects the court and the law and does things according to his convenience.

This is a guy that is supposed to be the example for every Tibetans to follow. He is the president of the exiled government and yet he acts like a child for disrespecting the law does things according to his mood. I guess he has been the president for too long and he forgot about how he was being elected to be the president in the first place.

However, looking at his accomplishment for the past years of him being the president, there is nothing for him to be arrogant about. There is nothing that he had done that truly benefitted the public.

Well, the title says it all "If Lobsang Sangay was smart..." which we had established he is NOT! If he was smart, he would have shared some of the wealth from sponsorships with his people to gain their loyalty. If he was smart, he would have known that reliance on western donations will dwindle in time and start making overtures to China. If he was smart, he would see the Dalai Lama is Cherenzig and listened to his advice to help his people return to Tibet where the standard of living is rising rapidly due to heavy investment by China into Tibet. If he was smart, he would have created a power base for himself riding on the Dalai Lama's tail and not rely on the Dalai Lama's charisma long term. So Lobsang Sangay is not smart at all. Now with more and more visiting Dorje Shugden related websites to learn the truth of his lies, just like some Sakya monks are doing in Nepal, he has no control and all his words will not be trusted again. He is dumb as he still does not see he is losing his powers over his own people. Never build any loyalty.

I do not understand why the Tibetans are still loyal to him when he did not do anything for them. He has been their president for a few years now and what did he do? He did nothing for the benefit of the Tibetans other than publishing anti-Dorje Shugden book and manual for Self-immolation.

What kind of president encourages his own citizens to suicide by lighting themselves on fire? He is doing it for the money. Tibetans self-immolating can generate a lot of foreign attention onto the Tibetan cause which can get a lot of donations.

Tibetan will never be able to go back to Tibet with such leadership because of the leadership as working for their own benefit and not the Tibetan cause. That is why the Tibetan has been a refugee for 60 years and still no progress.
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Drolma on July 30, 2019, 06:43:55 AM
I do not understand why the Tibetans are still loyal to him when he did not do anything for them. He has been their president for a few years now and what did he do? He did nothing for the benefit of the Tibetans other than publishing anti-Dorje Shugden book and manual for Self-immolation.

What kind of president encourages his own citizens to suicide by lighting themselves on fire? He is doing it for the money. Tibetans self-immolating can generate a lot of foreign attention onto the Tibetan cause which can get a lot of donations.

Tibetan will never be able to go back to Tibet with such leadership because of the leadership as working for their own benefit and not the Tibetan cause. That is why the Tibetan has been a refugee for 60 years and still no progress.

Lobsang Sangay didn't do much for the Tibetan community. He brings more damages than benefits to his people. Under Lobsang Sangay's leadership, more and more countries have decided to cut their ties with the CTA. This is already an indication that Lobsang Sangay is not capable.

In addition to this, Lobsang Sangay is known to have affairs with women in the CTA; he siphoned a large amount of money from the fund given to the Tibetan community; he accused Dorje Shugden followers of crimes they did not committed; he encouraged Tibetans to self-immolate. In summary, he causes disunity in the Tibetan community.

He still being the president of the Tibetans in exile does not mean people are still supporting him. It could be that Tibetans are already fed-up with the CTA, they are finding ways to leave the Tibetan community or there is no more candidate and it does not make a difference to their situation even if they change their president.
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: SabS on July 30, 2019, 01:22:45 PM
Anyone saw the what Lobsang Sangay did for his court hearing? He didn't even bother to attend and just send a representative to the hearing. How arrogant this guy can be? He disrespects the court and the law and does things according to his convenience.

This is a guy that is supposed to be the example for every Tibetans to follow. He is the president of the exiled government and yet he acts like a child for disrespecting the law does things according to his mood. I guess he has been the president for too long and he forgot about how he was being elected to be the president in the first place.

However, looking at his accomplishment for the past years of him being the president, there is nothing for him to be arrogant about. There is nothing that he had done that truly benefitted the public.

Well, the title says it all "If Lobsang Sangay was smart..." which we had established he is NOT! If he was smart, he would have shared some of the wealth from sponsorships with his people to gain their loyalty. If he was smart, he would have known that reliance on western donations will dwindle in time and start making overtures to China. If he was smart, he would see the Dalai Lama is Cherenzig and listened to his advice to help his people return to Tibet where the standard of living is rising rapidly due to heavy investment by China into Tibet. If he was smart, he would have created a power base for himself riding on the Dalai Lama's tail and not rely on the Dalai Lama's charisma long term. So Lobsang Sangay is not smart at all. Now with more and more visiting Dorje Shugden related websites to learn the truth of his lies, just like some Sakya monks are doing in Nepal, he has no control and all his words will not be trusted again. He is dumb as he still does not see he is losing his powers over his own people. Never build any loyalty.

I do not understand why the Tibetans are still loyal to him when he did not do anything for them. He has been their president for a few years now and what did he do? He did nothing for the benefit of the Tibetans other than publishing anti-Dorje Shugden book and manual for Self-immolation.

What kind of president encourages his own citizens to suicide by lighting themselves on fire? He is doing it for the money. Tibetans self-immolating can generate a lot of foreign attention onto the Tibetan cause which can get a lot of donations.

Tibetan will never be able to go back to Tibet with such leadership because of the leadership as working for their own benefit and not the Tibetan cause. That is why the Tibetan has been a refugee for 60 years and still no progress.

I think it is because the tradition of Tibetans are very insulated and mostly information are by word of mouth. However, now more are opening up due to exposure to the internet and speed of information travel is instant. I would say that they are big users of social media, and find news online. The greatest obstacles now would be language and that is also being taken care of as younger generations are learning through their schooling. This way, the younger generations will learn more and then pass on the information to the older generation. They are able to go either sides to learn the truth online and CTA has no control over this whatsoever. Already in the grapevine are some Sakya monks in Nepal visiting Dorje Shugden related websites for information and Dharma teachings daily. Soon more will do the same and the truth will be known to everyone and CTA's words will always be doubted. CTA will no longer have any control over their people. Lol!
Title: Re: If Lobsang Sangay was smart...
Post by: Matibhadra on July 31, 2019, 01:19:06 AM
Even if Lobsang Sangay were smart enough to work together with China, he would still be a corrupt politician and a traitor, and therefore would try to steal the profits coming from the helium gas exploration for himself and his cronies while denationalizing these and other resources in favor of Western predatory companies.