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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: AshRao on April 29, 2018, 03:43:50 PM
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So the Dalai Lama has finally corrected himself on his views of the 11th Panchen Lama recognized by the Chinese government. In a short video interview, he basically said that both Panchen Lama, the one that he recognized and the one the Chinese government recognized could both be genuine reincarnations of the previous Panchen Lama. Multiple and simultaneous incarnations of the same lama is not unheard of within the Tibetan tradition and there is previous precedence for the matter.
For almost 22 years, the Dalai Lama and his government in-exile have used the fact that his Panchen Lama was placed under house arrest by the Chinese to lobby against China and raise funds to line their own pockets from the unsuspecting public who thought they were donating to a just cause, to free a poor boy from tyranny. But it turns out he has been fine all along and is even receiving a good education! The Dalai Lama really let the cat out of the bag with this one!
Check out the article here: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/dalai-lama-corrects-himself-on-chinese-panchen-lama/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/dalai-lama-corrects-himself-on-chinese-panchen-lama/)
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My gosh, this is really groundbreaking news! You what this means, this means he is saying that the China-backed Panchen Lama is legit! Hear that silly Free Tibet activists?! All those years where people have been going around protesting, saying he is the youngest political prisoner bla bla bla can now shut their gap in peace, I hope! What an amazing sudden NEWS from the Dalai Lama!
I wonder what made the Dalai Lama announce this now? Why now? Is it because he is desperate to be on China's good side and hopefully by doing this skilfully, China will slowly trust the Dalai Lama/Tibetans? This sudden announcement also sparks another curious question. You see if the Dalai Lama says that China-backed Panchen Lama is also the real Panchen, because highly realised lamas can emanate into several forms simultaneously, then it means all this while the China-backed Panchen is the real deal. So why didn't Dalai Lama tell us this sooner? Why only now. He has clairvoyance, no? Dalai Lama even gave an example of another highly realised Lama that emanated 5 times.
Anyway I am glad to hear this news and I hope there will be positive progress for the Dalai Lama with China. This should have been done sooner.
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Great news, indeed, the Tibetan in exile may not know but the Dalai Lama is spearheading the return to Tibet for all his people.
To join and become a part of the Chinese nation, which is the dominant super power in the world currently, though China's capability to destroy the planet has not matched US yet, in terms of economic power Chinese is the top. Tibetan in exile has a greater chance to succeed back in Tibet compared to being in the lethargic West and other countries for that matter.
The end of CTA, as we know it. CTA should be retired it does not accomplish much and does not help its people in any significant manner.
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Now that the two Panchen Lamas are in China, the recognition of the 15th Dalai Lama reincarnation will be fully controlled by the Chinese, if there is one. With the current Dalai Lama wanting to return to China, the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) will be made redundant and have no say in the reincarnation. The CTA can close shop and stop harming the Tibetans and their welfare forever. Lobsang Sangay can be impeached now so others can take over the role and ensure a smooth return to Tibet for His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Tibetans in exile.
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By the sheer number alone, Tibetans in Tibet, China will have the say on the next Dalai Lama. The Central Tibetan Administration is becoming weaker by the day. From the Tibetan Government in Exile (TGIE), they are now the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA), sooner or later, as more Tibetans leave India for greener pastures, become Indian citizens, or return to Tibet, Tibetans outside Tibet will be just a handful and has no power to say or do much.
Tibetans in China will be lead by the Panchen Lama, who is already installed as a national level leader, and definitely, the younger generation of Tibetans will be more accustomed to a Panchen Lama who shares similar background with them, such as the current one who speaks Chinese and grow up in China. As the current Dalai Lama vows to live up 113, there is no chance for the current Dalai Lama to be the leader of the Tibetans in China.
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Also once the Dalai Lama returns to Tibet, he will definitely need to STOP talking negatively on Dorje Shugden! Because China is positioning itself to be a country, a superpower nation that abides, respect and adheres to human rights' freedom of religion.
When one thinks more about the Dalai Lama's actions and what he is doing now, which is trying very hard to be on China's good books, you can't help but to wonder, why the sudden change of tune? I cannot help but to wonder, perhaps this is the whole illusory play that Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang predicted and that there will come a time where the Dalai Lama is seen as doing something very contradictory, but we should not lose faith in either the Dalai Lama nor Dorje Shugden for they are both is working hand in hand to spread the Dharma. This prediction, the scenario seems to become more and more viable as we witness the unfolding events. And it does not make any sense why the Dalai Lama is pushing to return to Tibet knowing very well when he does go, he will be controlled by the Chinese gov, and everything he do will be controlled. Even his next incarnation. But he is acknowledging the China-backed Panchen Lama now as the real one too and mention he is the "official one". If you know the history on how the Dalai Lamas' incarnation are being recognised, you'll know it is usually the Panchen Lamas who does this job, and vice versa, the Dalai Lama recognises the Panchen Lama lifetime after lifetime. So indeed this is really interesting how the Dalai Lama now is showing his acceptance to the Chinese Panchen Lama.
So what does all this mean? What is all this for? What is the Dalai Lama trying to do in trying to get back to Tibet? It cannot be to fight China, because that is impossible, it can only be for a much higher purpose... to preserve and spread the Dharma once again from the land of the snow and to ensure that the future of Dharma would be safe in the right hands, or right lamas. This is my thoughts, perhaps just some crazy thoughts... but who knows until it happens eh? Until then, it seems to be going in the direction where it would be better for Dorje Shugden practitioners.
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Did the Dalai Lama err for 22 years with regard to the 11th Panchen Lama backed by the Chinese Government? The Dalai Lama is a fully enlightened emanation of Chenrizig and does not err in such matters.
At the same time the alleged youngest political detainee (Dalai Lama's choice of the 11th Panchen Lama) is in good hands and undergoing normal education seems like a turn around view for the world sympathisers to reabsorb such information. He was never a prisoner.
What is the reason for the Dalai Lama to do this? It must be for the revelation of the truth and that all Dalai Lama supporters must know of this.
The next question to ask is there other grave mistakes that the Dalai Lama had made and it is now time to have the truth be told.
What comes to mind is the ban on Dorje Shugden. Dalai Lama must tell the mistaken views for the ban and have the ban lifted so that harmony will prevail.
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Regardless of the motivation behind such change, am just banking on such winds of change to continue. After all, if there can be such flippant U-turn without much justification for such change of position in respect of the recognition of Panchen Lama (who is in Tibetan Buddhism only second to the Dalai Lama and who will also play an integral role in the recognition of the next reincarnation of Dalai Lama) why not for Dorje Shugden?
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Did the Dalai Lama err for 22 years with regard to the 11th Panchen Lama backed by the Chinese Government? The Dalai Lama is a fully enlightened emanation of Chenrizig and does not err in such matters.
At the same time the alleged youngest political detainee (Dalai Lama's choice of the 11th Panchen Lama) is in good hands and undergoing normal education seems like a turn around view for the world sympathisers to reabsorb such information. He was never a prisoner.
What is the reason for the Dalai Lama to do this? It must be for the revelation of the truth and that all Dalai Lama supporters must know of this.
The next question to ask is there other grave mistakes that the Dalai Lama had made and it is now time to have the truth be told.
What comes to mind is the ban on Dorje Shugden. Dalai Lama must tell the mistaken views for the ban and have the ban lifted so that harmony will prevail.
Sorry Dondrup Shugden, but what is "err"???
Anyway, yes the next big question is whether or not the Dalai Lama made a grave mistake with Dorje Shugden and is he going to say something along the lines (like how he said about the China-backed Panchen Lama), and that actually Dorje Shugden is harmless and is a great Dharma protector of our time, suitable for our karma!
I hope he will do so. I know that he is doing all this for a bigger picture... him wanting to return to Tibet is a huge sign of this bigger picture. I just don't understand why the so-called Rangzen activist groups are still protesting about the Panchen Lama being abducted and wanting a "Free" Tibet. Why are still banging their propaganda when the Dalai Lama has already mentioned clear the opposite of what they want.
So ARE THEY GOING AGAINST THE DALAI LAMA AND SAYING HE IS WRONG? This is what I'd like to ask them!
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After so many years of saying the Chinese Panchen Lama is fake, the Dalai Lama suddenly made good comments on the Chinese Panchen Lama saying he is good. He also cited the historical example of Khyentse Wangpo of the Sakya tradition as proof that high lamas can take up to five reincarnations – Body incarnation, Speech incarnation, Mind incarnation, Activity incarnation, and Qualities incarnation. So indirectly, the Dalai Lama is telling us this Chinese Panchen Lama is also real.
The 11th Panchen Lama may be young, but look at how he conducts the rituals. Look at the Kalachakra initiation he did in the year 2016, so many people include very high lamas in China attended it. No ordinary person can perform an initiation as big as this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xZ1Z_9ImDw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xZ1Z_9ImDw)
The Chinese Panchen Lama has received very good education from a qualified teacher at a very young age. Whether he is real or fake, more importantly, is the work he is doing now, whether it benefits all sentient beings. At the end of the day, the result is more important than the name or title.
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Also once the Dalai Lama returns to Tibet, he will definitely need to STOP talking negatively on Dorje Shugden! Because China is positioning itself to be a country, a superpower nation that abides, respect and adheres to human rights' freedom of religion.
When one thinks more about the Dalai Lama's actions and what he is doing now, which is trying very hard to be on China's good books, you can't help but to wonder, why the sudden change of tune? I cannot help but to wonder, perhaps this is the whole illusory play that Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang predicted and that there will come a time where the Dalai Lama is seen as doing something very contradictory, but we should not lose faith in either the Dalai Lama nor Dorje Shugden for they are both is working hand in hand to spread the Dharma. This prediction, the scenario seems to become more and more viable as we witness the unfolding events. And it does not make any sense why the Dalai Lama is pushing to return to Tibet knowing very well when he does go, he will be controlled by the Chinese gov, and everything he do will be controlled. Even his next incarnation. But he is acknowledging the China-backed Panchen Lama now as the real one too and mention he is the "official one". If you know the history on how the Dalai Lamas' incarnation are being recognised, you'll know it is usually the Panchen Lamas who does this job, and vice versa, the Dalai Lama recognises the Panchen Lama lifetime after lifetime. So indeed this is really interesting how the Dalai Lama now is showing his acceptance to the Chinese Panchen Lama.
So what does all this mean? What is all this for? What is the Dalai Lama trying to do in trying to get back to Tibet? It cannot be to fight China, because that is impossible, it can only be for a much higher purpose... to preserve and spread the Dharma once again from the land of the snow and to ensure that the future of Dharma would be safe in the right hands, or right lamas. This is my thoughts, perhaps just some crazy thoughts... but who knows until it happens eh? Until then, it seems to be going in the direction where it would be better for Dorje Shugden practitioners.
I'm surprised no one here was criticized for supporting the Dalai Lama. Could anyone explain why it had to be certain people?
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This is so confusing. First the Panchen Lama is the wrong one and only the Dalai Lama's chosen Panchen Lama is the right one. Then after so many years, it is obvious that the Panchen Lama has done very much in China and benefited so many...
So now finally, he can be the right one, and the Panchen Lama chosen by the Dalai Lama might not be the mind incarnation ... Ok. So, if everything is like that, than the next thing the Dalai Lama should say is that he was wrong on Dorje Shugden and he can release the ban on Dorje Shugden.
Because over many years, it is obvious that Dorje Shugden has not done any harm but only helps and benefits.
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What would happen if the 14th Dalai Lama suddenly died today?
Would the CTA let China chose the next 15th Dalai Lama".
Maybe and maybe not.
The CTA could declare that they do not recognize the Chinese 11th Panchen Lama.
They could state that he is a fake and a fraud who was falsely created by the Chinese Government.
So what could the EVIL and CORRUPT CTA do to continue to remain in power?
They could state that the Dalai Lama's chosen 11th Panchen Lama is under arrest in China and can't be used by the CTA to locate, recognize and enthrone the next 15th Dalai Lama.
So they decide to declare that the Dalai Lama's officially recognized 10th Panchen Otrul Rinpoche will be used to locate, recognize and enthrone the next 15th Dalai Lama.
The CTA will state that Panchen Otrul Rinpoche is the emanation of the 9th Panchen Lama.
As such he and only he can be trusted with this most important matter.
Don't be surprised if he finds the next 15th Dalai Lama in the United States of America.
A young Tibetan American boy will be declared to be the unmistaken reincarnation of the 14th Dalai Lama.
The American media will explode with excitement and all of Hollywood will line up to see the boy.
The American President will be asked to comment about an American Citizen as the next 15th Dalai Lama.
This could put the President in a tight spot with China.
Could the President refuse to accept and American as the next Dalai Lama?
A win, win situation for the CTA.
All of America loving their very own home grown 15th Dalai Lama is a win for the CTA.
The American President recognizing the CTA's chosen American 15th Dalai Lama would be a great win for the CTA.
The CTA would remain in power and THEIR 15th Dalai Lama would be under THEIR total control.
The 14th Dalai Lama has not "Officially" stated that the Chinese backed 11th Panchen Lama has been the one "Officially" chosen by him to locate, recognize and enthrone his next incarnation.
Pray that the 14th Dalai Lama officially and publicly states that the Chinese 11th Panchen Lama will locate, recognize and enthrone his next incarnation.
That the Dalai Lama state at the EVIL and CORRUPT CTA will have no business in pick who will find his incarnation.
If not what will the EVIL CTA do if they have the chance to remain in full power?
We can all guess what they will do!!
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What would happen if the 14th Dalai Lama suddenly died today?
Would the CTA let China chose the next 15th Dalai Lama".
Maybe and maybe not.
The CTA could declare that they do not recognize the Chinese 11th Panchen Lama.
They could state that he is a fake and a fraud who was falsely created by the Chinese Government.
So what could the EVIL and CORRUPT CTA do to continue to remain in power?
They could state that the Dalai Lama's chosen 11th Panchen Lama is under arrest in China and can't be used by the CTA to locate, recognize and enthrone the next 15th Dalai Lama.
So they decide to declare that the Dalai Lama's officially recognized 10th Panchen Otrul Rinpoche will be used to locate, recognize and enthrone the next 15th Dalai Lama.
The CTA will state that Panchen Otrul Rinpoche is the emanation of the 9th Panchen Lama.
As such he and only he can be trusted with this most important matter.
Don't be surprised if he finds the next 15th Dalai Lama in the United States of America.
A young Tibetan American boy will be declared to be the unmistaken reincarnation of the 14th Dalai Lama.
The American media will explode with excitement and all of Hollywood will line up to see the boy.
The American President will be asked to comment about an American Citizen as the next 15th Dalai Lama.
This could put the President in a tight spot with China.
Could the President refuse to accept and American as the next Dalai Lama?
A win, win situation for the CTA.
All of America loving their very own home grown 15th Dalai Lama is a win for the CTA.
The American President recognizing the CTA's chosen American 15th Dalai Lama would be a great win for the CTA.
The CTA would remain in power and THEIR 15th Dalai Lama would be under THEIR total control.
The 14th Dalai Lama has not "Officially" stated that the Chinese backed 11th Panchen Lama has been the one "Officially" chosen by him to locate, recognize and enthrone his next incarnation.
Pray that the 14th Dalai Lama officially and publicly states that the Chinese 11th Panchen Lama will locate, recognize and enthrone his next incarnation.
That the Dalai Lama state at the EVIL and CORRUPT CTA will have no business in pick who will find his incarnation.
If not what will the EVIL CTA do if they have the chance to remain in full power?
We can all guess what they will do!!
Did you really forget the other high lamas? It's not always going to be the Dalai Lama is the only person able to find an incarnation of anyone! There are other Gelugpa lamas that are to fulfill the role of finding his incarnation! Perhaps even the Karmapa might join in!
Either way, why on earth would the government need to interfere? What year do you think this is? This isn't 1616 or whatever. This is 2018, we are no longer making government based on religion(though there are political attempts to repress religion). The Dalai Lama has already stated publicly that he will take rebirth outside of China in India or somewhere in the Himalayas perhaps as a woman or will be the last. He will not be reborn as an American child.
Does everything have to be blamed on the CTA? Because it's not going to always your scapegoat for excuses. If you really want an end to all this rubbish, then why don't you do something? Since protests are weak and simply an excuse for anti-Shugdenpas to see this as a "symptom of spirit harm," why not try other ways instead of just posting complaints on the internet? You're not going to get much if you don't do anything.
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How does it feel "TrulyandAbsolutelyQuestionable" being thrown off Pastor Patel's "Ask a Question" blog on Tsem Tulku's website.
Does everything have to be blamed on Harold Musetescu? Because he's not going to always be your scapegoat for excuses. If you really want an end to all this rubbish, then why don't you do something? Since protesting Harold is weak and simply an excuse for you "TrulyandAbsolutelyQuestionable" to see this as a "symptom of spirit harm," why not try other ways instead of just posting complaints on the internet about Harold? You're not going to get much if you don't do anything.
"Why so much anger?"
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Also once the Dalai Lama returns to Tibet, he will definitely need to STOP talking negatively on Dorje Shugden! Because China is positioning itself to be a country, a superpower nation that abides, respect and adheres to human rights' freedom of religion.
When one thinks more about the Dalai Lama's actions and what he is doing now, which is trying very hard to be on China's good books, you can't help but to wonder, why the sudden change of tune? I cannot help but to wonder, perhaps this is the whole illusory play that Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang predicted and that there will come a time where the Dalai Lama is seen as doing something very contradictory, but we should not lose faith in either the Dalai Lama nor Dorje Shugden for they are both is working hand in hand to spread the Dharma. This prediction, the scenario seems to become more and more viable as we witness the unfolding events. And it does not make any sense why the Dalai Lama is pushing to return to Tibet knowing very well when he does go, he will be controlled by the Chinese gov, and everything he do will be controlled. Even his next incarnation. But he is acknowledging the China-backed Panchen Lama now as the real one too and mention he is the "official one". If you know the history on how the Dalai Lamas' incarnation are being recognised, you'll know it is usually the Panchen Lamas who does this job, and vice versa, the Dalai Lama recognises the Panchen Lama lifetime after lifetime. So indeed this is really interesting how the Dalai Lama now is showing his acceptance to the Chinese Panchen Lama.
So what does all this mean? What is all this for? What is the Dalai Lama trying to do in trying to get back to Tibet? It cannot be to fight China, because that is impossible, it can only be for a much higher purpose... to preserve and spread the Dharma once again from the land of the snow and to ensure that the future of Dharma would be safe in the right hands, or right lamas. This is my thoughts, perhaps just some crazy thoughts... but who knows until it happens eh? Until then, it seems to be going in the direction where it would be better for Dorje Shugden practitioners.
I'm surprised no one here was criticized for supporting the Dalai Lama. Could anyone explain why it had to be certain people?
I guess to me it is as simple as is the Dalai Lama an emanation of Chenrezig or not. Well, His Holiness Trijang Rinpoche sure thought so because if he did not, why would he write such a thing in his book Music Delighting and predict the situation we are now experiencing and also advised us not to criticise or take sides between Dorje Shugden and the Dalai Lama. I am not attained so I would rather follow those who are and I would rather not collect more negative karma than I already have and to be some kind of arrogant clown.
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Did you really forget the other high lamas? It's not always going to be the Dalai Lama is the only person able to find an incarnation of anyone! There are other Gelugpa lamas that are to fulfill the role of finding his incarnation! Perhaps even the Karmapa might join in!
Either way, why on earth would the government need to interfere? What year do you think this is? This isn't 1616 or whatever. This is 2018, we are no longer making government based on religion(though there are political attempts to repress religion). The Dalai Lama has already stated publicly that he will take rebirth outside of China in India or somewhere in the Himalayas perhaps as a woman or will be the last. He will not be reborn as an American child.
This is a very GOOD POINT made and boy am I glad it is not 1616 anymore. Yes, there are many high Gelugpa lamas who would probably be asked to recognise the 15th Dalai Lama IF there's gonna be one. I also heard that the Dalai Lama MAY select his own incarnation before he leaves this life. If that happens, it will be historical, not that it has never been done by other lamas, but rather rare.
CTA will probably try their best to interfere just to be "relevant" but with the latest news unfolding, I think it's time for us to say goodbye to them. I don't think China needs them to help manage anything.
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How does it feel "TrulyandAbsolutelyQuestionable" being thrown off Pastor Patel's "Ask a Question" blog on Tsem Tulku's website.
Does everything have to be blamed on Harold Musetescu? Because he's not going to always be your scapegoat for excuses. If you really want an end to all this rubbish, then why don't you do something? Since protesting Harold is weak and simply an excuse for you "TrulyandAbsolutelyQuestionable" to see this as a "symptom of spirit harm," why not try other ways instead of just posting complaints on the internet about Harold? You're not going to get much if you don't do anything.
"Why so much anger?"
Since when did I blame everything on you? All I stated was that you are an example of anti-Shugdenpas discriminating us for such things and laughing at us fighting each other over such things like supporting the Dalai Lama or not.
I'm afraid I cannot do much as I am hours away from the nearest Shugden temple or even meditation retreat from where I live. However, since you seem to be in contact with Kechara very well, your guru, and the oracle, why don't you do something yourself? I'm afraid I cannot do as much as you can, so why don't you use this opportunity to actually do something? Since you are an adult and with closer connections, why don't you try yourself? Let's see who the correct Karmapa is. Let's see what we can do to actually end this schism. Go on, you have more opportunity than me.
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Did you really forget the other high lamas? It's not always going to be the Dalai Lama is the only person able to find an incarnation of anyone! There are other Gelugpa lamas that are to fulfill the role of finding his incarnation! Perhaps even the Karmapa might join in!
Either way, why on earth would the government need to interfere? What year do you think this is? This isn't 1616 or whatever. This is 2018, we are no longer making government based on religion(though there are political attempts to repress religion). The Dalai Lama has already stated publicly that he will take rebirth outside of China in India or somewhere in the Himalayas perhaps as a woman or will be the last. He will not be reborn as an American child.
This is a very GOOD POINT made and boy am I glad it is not 1616 anymore. Yes, there are many high Gelugpa lamas who would probably be asked to recognise the 15th Dalai Lama IF there's gonna be one. I also heard that the Dalai Lama MAY select his own incarnation before he leaves this life. If that happens, it will be historical, not that it has never been done by other lamas, but rather rare.
CTA will probably try their best to interfere just to be "relevant" but with the latest news unfolding, I think it's time for us to say goodbye to them. I don't think China needs them to help manage anything.
Oh China is busy with its own stuff. After Mao and so on, it now has to deal with America(though I'm not too sure on the entire reincarnation law of not being able to reincarnate unless you ask the government and the Dalai Lama sees this law as ridiculous). Still, may Tibet at least find peace including with its people of all kinds.
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"I guess to me it is as simple as is the Dalai Lama an emanation of Chenrezig or not. Well, His Holiness Trijang Rinpoche sure thought so because if he did not, why would he write such a thing in his book Music Delighting and predict the situation we are now experiencing and also advised us not to criticize or take sides between Dorje Shugden and the Dalai Lama."
That was the old Trijang Rinpoche and not the present one Mr dsnowlion.
The previous Trijang Rinpoche lived in India.
The present Trijang Rinpoche fled India out of fear for his life and first moved to Switzerland and now lives in the USA.
The previous Trijang Rinpoche never had bodyguards.
The present Trijang Rinpoche always travels with bodyguards.
Why does the present Trijang Rinpoche need bodyguards??
Could it be YOUR Buddha of Compassion and his ban???
YES!!!!!!
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"I guess to me it is as simple as is the Dalai Lama an emanation of Chenrezig or not. Well, His Holiness Trijang Rinpoche sure thought so because if he did not, why would he write such a thing in his book Music Delighting and predict the situation we are now experiencing and also advised us not to criticize or take sides between Dorje Shugden and the Dalai Lama."
That was the old Trijang Rinpoche and not the present one Mr dsnowlion.
The previous Trijang Rinpoche lived in India.
The present Trijang Rinpoche fled India out of fear for his life and first moved to Switzerland and now lives in the USA.
The previous Trijang Rinpoche never had bodyguards.
The present Trijang Rinpoche always travels with bodyguards.
Why does the present Trijang Rinpoche need bodyguards??
Could it be YOUR Buddha of Compassion and his ban???
YES!!!!!!
Please state your source or show your source for his bodyguards please.
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Here are some links to youtube videos showing Trijang Rinpoche with his bodyguards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm2orTz269A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm2orTz269A)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysb1IQir_iE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysb1IQir_iE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PONhQbAMK2U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PONhQbAMK2U)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lujBu6xwGIE&t=236s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lujBu6xwGIE&t=236s)
You didn't answer my question about Pastor Patel removing your question about ME from his blog Questionable.
Cat got your tongue?
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Here are some links to youtube videos showing Trijang Rinpoche with his bodyguards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm2orTz269A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm2orTz269A)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysb1IQir_iE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysb1IQir_iE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PONhQbAMK2U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PONhQbAMK2U)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lujBu6xwGIE&t=236s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lujBu6xwGIE&t=236s)
You didn't answer my question about Pastor Patel removing your question about ME from his blog Questionable.
Cat got your tongue?
Okay, so you have indeed proven yourself on Rinpoche's bodyguards.
You didn't answer my questions, so why should I answer yours? I can see Pastor is very fearful of you seeing how this went.
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Hello Questionable
Strike ONE
"Thank you very much, Harold.
I see indeed I was wrong about Shugdenpa lamas not being in scandals. My bad."
Strike TWO
"Okay, so you have indeed proven yourself on Rinpoche's bodyguards."
Strike THREE
"You didn't answer my question about Pastor Patel removing your question about ME from his blog Questionable. Cat got your tongue?"
YOUR OUT QUESTIONABLE, YOUR OUT!!!!
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Hello Questionable
Strike ONE
"Thank you very much, Harold.
I see indeed I was wrong about Shugdenpa lamas not being in scandals. My bad."
Strike TWO
"Okay, so you have indeed proven yourself on Rinpoche's bodyguards."
Strike THREE
"You didn't answer my question about Pastor Patel removing your question about ME from his blog Questionable. Cat got your tongue?"
YOUR OUT QUESTIONABLE, YOUR OUT!!!!
8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Interesting. I never knew this was a game. Tell me how to play. I wish to know in that case.
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"Interesting. I never knew this was a game. Tell me how to play. I wish to know in that case."
Of course you knew that this was a game all along.
You know how this game is played.
If you don't know then ask your anti Dorje Shugden teacher Lama Grigori Tulku Rinpoche from Greece.
Besides I not really interested in playing this game with a little teenage girl which is what you have claimed to be.
Come back and play when your all grown up.
Or just stay on the Dharma Wheel website with your "Global Moderator" Guru.
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"Interesting. I never knew this was a game. Tell me how to play. I wish to know in that case."
Of course you knew that this was a game all along.
You know how this game is played.
If you don't know then ask your anti Dorje Shugden teacher Lama Grigori Tulku Rinpoche from Greece.
Besides I not really interested in playing this game with a little teenage girl which is what you have claimed to be.
Come back and play when your all grown up.
Or just stay on the Dharma Wheel website with your "Global Moderator" Guru.
Grigoris is a lama? :o 8)
Interesting how you state this lama of his in a negative way. If that's the case, wouldn't technically every lama that isn't a Shugdenpa be under this category? The Sakya Trizin, The Dalai Lama, the Karmapa, Garchen Rinpoche, Namkhai Norbu, Lama Dawa Chodak, Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo, Lama Tsultrim Allione, Lama Pema Dorje, Lama Kunga Thartse Rinpoche, Tsultrim Chodron,etc. You mean to tell me that only Shugden lamas are authentic and the rest will go to hell? Are you serious?
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Stop ranting like the little teenage girl you are.
All I did was point out that YOUR teacher Lama Gregoris Tulku Rinpoche the Global Moderator at dharmawheel.net is anti Dorje Shugden.
Suddenly you jump to your idiotic claims about all these other Tulkus who I never mentioned.
So full of hate you are little one.
Want to go for strike FOUR?
Get what you need to get off you chest by sending me a PM.
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Hello Unquestionable
Strike FOUR against you.
You stated in your last post -
"Interesting how you state this lama of his in a negative way. If that's the case, wouldn't technically every lama that isn't a Shugdenpa be under this category? The ........ the Karmapa.......".
Sorry put you are WRONG AGAIN.
The previous and present Karmapas are pro Dorje Shugden unlike your anti Dorje Shugden teacher.
Here is a link to a post I did about the Pro 16 and 17 Karmapas.
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=6124.0 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=6124.0)
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"16th Karmapa publicly PRAISED King Dorje Shugden in 1976"
« on: May 17, 2018, 03:05:35 AM »
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We know that the 17th Karmapa has public stated that the then 5th Dalai Lama murdered Karma Kagyu Tulkus and destroyed both their lineages and monasteries.
Were you also aware that the 16th Karmapa was publicly PRO Dorje Shugden?
Here is my link to the story about the 17th Karmapa and what he said at the Kagyu Monlam in 2018.
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=6035.0 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=6035.0)
On March 12, 2016 Tsem Tulku wrote an article about how the 16th Karmapa was PRO Dorje Shugden.
It was titled "The Prophecy of the 16th Karmapa".
Here is the link http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/the-prophecy-of-the-16th-karmapa.html (http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/the-prophecy-of-the-16th-karmapa.html)
His article states that as far back as 1976 the 16th Karmapa had publicly praised King Dorje Shugden.
Here are quotes from Tsem Tulku's article.
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In 1976, His Holiness the 16th Karmapa Rangjung Rigpe Dorje graced the opening of Urgyen Rinpoche’s new monastery called Ka-Nying Shedrub Ling in Nepal and gave a prophetic proclamation. This Nyingma monastery was built on a farmland just north of the ancient and legendary Boudhanath Stupa in Kathmandu...This monastery was built under the guidance and direction of the 16th Karmapa....According to an account in Kyabje Dagom Rinpoche’s collected works (sungbum), the Karmapa came across a statue of Dorje Drolo during an inspection of the new monastery. Dorje Drolo is a wrathful emanation of Guru Rinpoche. This particular image was pressing down upon a smaller figure of a monk with a round hat, under his feet, that resembled the Dharma protector Dorje Shugden. The Karmapa stood in the presence of the statue for a while and then pointed at the statue and asked, “Who is the person that ask for this statue to be made? This isn’t Nyingma nor Sakya, certainly not Gelug and not Kagyu either. I didn’t ask for it to be made! This is not one of the deities you can rely on…”
“Although the time is a little early, in the future you will definitely need to rely on this deity (Dorje Shugden).”– His Holiness 16th Karmapa
The Karmapa was speaking to a line of abbots and masters but nobody came forward to own up. So, the Karmapa ordered for the statue to be removed immediately. A man came up with an axe and a shovel to remove the image. The Lamas who were present would definitely remember this incident and in the account, a seventy-five year old man from Chamdo by the name of Samcho had witnessed this.
This prophecy by His Holiness Karmapa is an unusual one because he had no known history or prior relations to the practice of Dorje Shugden. The Karmapa himself is the head of Karma Kagyu and there is no known history between the Karma Kagyu and the practice of Dorje Shugden either. The prophecy could be indicating that when the political issues surrounding the practice ceases to be, there will be future growth and proliferation of Dorje Shugden’s practice. Karmapa was known for his powerful clairvoyance. When he made such a prediction, it will come true. THE 16TH KRMAPA AND THE CURRENT ONE HAS NEVER MADE ONE NEGATIVE COMMENT ABOUT DORJE SHUGDEN EVER......".
Well "Unquestionable" if my count is right that's SRIKE FOUR.
Thanks for making me look sooooo GOOD and you sooooo DUMB.
8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Hello Unquestionable
Strike FOUR against you.
You stated in your last post -
"Interesting how you state this lama of his in a negative way. If that's the case, wouldn't technically every lama that isn't a Shugdenpa be under this category? The ........ the Karmapa.......".
Sorry put you are WRONG AGAIN.
The previous and present Karmapas are pro Dorje Shugden unlike your anti Dorje Shugden teacher.
Here is a link to a post I did about the Pro 16 and 17 Karmapas.
[url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=6124.0[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=6124.0[/url])
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"16th Karmapa publicly PRAISED King Dorje Shugden in 1976"
« on: May 17, 2018, 03:05:35 AM »
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We know that the 17th Karmapa has public stated that the then 5th Dalai Lama murdered Karma Kagyu Tulkus and destroyed both their lineages and monasteries.
Were you also aware that the 16th Karmapa was publicly PRO Dorje Shugden?
Here is my link to the story about the 17th Karmapa and what he said at the Kagyu Monlam in 2018.
[url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=6035.0[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=6035.0[/url])
On March 12, 2016 Tsem Tulku wrote an article about how the 16th Karmapa was PRO Dorje Shugden.
It was titled "The Prophecy of the 16th Karmapa".
Here is the link [url]http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/the-prophecy-of-the-16th-karmapa.html[/url] ([url]http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/the-prophecy-of-the-16th-karmapa.html[/url])
His article states that as far back as 1976 the 16th Karmapa had publicly praised King Dorje Shugden.
Here are quotes from Tsem Tulku's article.
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In 1976, His Holiness the 16th Karmapa Rangjung Rigpe Dorje graced the opening of Urgyen Rinpoche’s new monastery called Ka-Nying Shedrub Ling in Nepal and gave a prophetic proclamation. This Nyingma monastery was built on a farmland just north of the ancient and legendary Boudhanath Stupa in Kathmandu...This monastery was built under the guidance and direction of the 16th Karmapa....According to an account in Kyabje Dagom Rinpoche’s collected works (sungbum), the Karmapa came across a statue of Dorje Drolo during an inspection of the new monastery. Dorje Drolo is a wrathful emanation of Guru Rinpoche. This particular image was pressing down upon a smaller figure of a monk with a round hat, under his feet, that resembled the Dharma protector Dorje Shugden. The Karmapa stood in the presence of the statue for a while and then pointed at the statue and asked, “Who is the person that ask for this statue to be made? This isn’t Nyingma nor Sakya, certainly not Gelug and not Kagyu either. I didn’t ask for it to be made! This is not one of the deities you can rely on…”
“Although the time is a little early, in the future you will definitely need to rely on this deity (Dorje Shugden).”– His Holiness 16th Karmapa
The Karmapa was speaking to a line of abbots and masters but nobody came forward to own up. So, the Karmapa ordered for the statue to be removed immediately. A man came up with an axe and a shovel to remove the image. The Lamas who were present would definitely remember this incident and in the account, a seventy-five year old man from Chamdo by the name of Samcho had witnessed this.
This prophecy by His Holiness Karmapa is an unusual one because he had no known history or prior relations to the practice of Dorje Shugden. The Karmapa himself is the head of Karma Kagyu and there is no known history between the Karma Kagyu and the practice of Dorje Shugden either. The prophecy could be indicating that when the political issues surrounding the practice ceases to be, there will be future growth and proliferation of Dorje Shugden’s practice. Karmapa was known for his powerful clairvoyance. When he made such a prediction, it will come true. THE 16TH KRMAPA AND THE CURRENT ONE HAS NEVER MADE ONE NEGATIVE COMMENT ABOUT DORJE SHUGDEN EVER......".
Well "Unquestionable" if my count is right that's SRIKE FOUR.
Thanks for making me look sooooo GOOD and you sooooo DUMB.
8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
I mean the present Karmapas, not the previous one. Yes, I am aware that he supported Shugden, but our Oracle seems to not be giving us the answer to this(so let's make a statement demanding who the real Karmapa is).
While I have 4 strikes, how many do you have? You have made so many posts with ridiculous unsubstantiated claims of one of the Bamo Sam being an emanations of Red Tara, it seems that is is YOU who has more strikes.
Please look in the mirror, your arrogance, ignorance, and wrath are once again rising. For the time, take up Avaloliteshvara's practice please before going on to protectors. You clearly need to destroy your self-ego.
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STRIKE FIVE
"You have made so many posts with ridiculous unsubstantiated claims of one of the Bamo Sam being an emanations of Red Tara....".
I never made that claim Questionable, I was just repeating the contents of an email that was sent to me.
But lets talk about "ridiculous unsubstantiated claims", Questionable.
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Your busted Grigoris
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You stated in your last post -
"Interesting how you state this lama of his in a negative way".
"This Lama of HIS".
Not "This Lama of MINE".
Your speaking in the third person and not in the first person singular.
Dumb mistake.
"Questionable" has stated that they are a teenage GIRL.
You should of written "This Lama of MINE".
Can't keep track of whether your a "Lesbian Teenager" or a "Teenage Boy" Mr. Lama Grigoris Tulku Rinpoche.
Go back to being a "Global Moderator" at Dharma Wheel who kicks of PRO Dorje Shugden followers.
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So who are you Questionable"?
You have claimed to me that you are a "Lesbian Teenager" and now it seem your a "Teenage Boy'?
What are you claiming to be today a boy or a lesbian girl? :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
STRIKE SIX!!!!!