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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: christine V on January 24, 2018, 10:21:27 AM
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From the news, seem that the China government have successfully leave Tibet from poverty stage
And so! Tibetan in China no longer live in poverty stage. How about those Tibetan refugees in Indian?
1) Still remain as refugees status while their leaders having other countries' passport
2) Live in poverty and still depends on international donation fund
3) Poor education system that most of the youngster do not know about Tibet in China and have lost their direction on their future
4) Live in fear as the result of the illogical Dorje Shugden's ban so that the CTA could further manipulate their peoples
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LHASA, Jan. 24 (Xinhua) -- Southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region reported 10-percent GDP growth last year, marking the 25th straight year of double-digit growth, local authorities said Wednesday.
Tibet's GDP reached 131.06 billion yuan (around 20.5 billion U.S. dollars) in 2017, according to statistics announced at the 11th Regional People's Congress.
Last year, the plateau region achieved a 23.9-percent increase in its fixed asset investments, totaling around 205 billion yuan, and raised the per capita disposable income of its urban and rural residents by 10.3 percent and 13.6 percent respectively.
Over the past five years, Tibet has remained one of the fastest growing provincial-level regions in China. Livelihoods, the environment, infrastructure and the region's competitive industries have all improved.
In 2018, Tibet set a target to achieve GDP growth of around 10 percent, with an 18-percent increase in fixed-asset investment as well as increases of more than 10 percent and 13 percent, respectively, for urban and rural per capita disposable incomes.
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It is indeed a very good news to rejoice!! China had promised to develop Tibet and now they have done it! What did CTA do to the Tibetan in India? Other than taking money from other countries that donated to them, NOTHING! Do you see it CTA? Do you see it Lobsang Sangay? I pity those Tibetan who still stay in India. Look, your so called own country is well developed now, what did your beloved Sikyong do to you all?
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Any improvement in the standard of living of the Tibetans is really good news as it means that the sufferings of Tibetans are somewhat addressed. Quite unlike those in Tibetan settlements in exile who are still left high and dry by CTA despite decades of foreign financial aids and donations given for the welfare of Tibetans in exile.
Then again, what else can you expect with CTA who are more preoccupied with looking after their own interests at the expense of Tibetans?
It would not be surprising and probably a matter of time for CTA to kick a fuss about China's assistance and efforts to improve the welfare of Tibetans simply because it makes CTA look bad.
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It is great to hear that Tibetans in China no longer live in poverty which shows that China really helped them to improve their livelihood. The most pity ones are the Tibetans in India. No improvements in all aspects including government, education, economy, etc. When is this nightmare going to end for them???
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There are improvements in so many ways in Tibet now. Time does not stand still and we cannot keep on holding on on the past.
I am very happy that the living conditions have improved so much. Hopefully the Tibetan Government in Exile also prioritises on the Tibetans and find ways to integrate for a better future of the Tibetans. Up till now nothing has been done to give peace to the Tibetans in China and abroad - I really hope this changes and Tibetans can move on with their life!
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Well, the Kashag - Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) is living in luxury and never tasted poverty. They take full advantage of their positions and connections to make sure they are well fed and rich. That is why the Tibetan refugees in India remain as poor refugees. Their benefits are all spent by a handful in power. This is very very different compared to the Chinese leadership. Shame on CTA!
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China may be a communist country, but it tries to close the gap between the rich and the poor and bring the poor out of poverty. They understand that in order to maintain the stability and harmony in the country, equality is important and poverty is one of the key problems they have to address. Everyone should be given the same opportunity to strive for the best.
Tibet, due to its geographical location has been isolated for many years and the living condition of the Tibetans was tough as it was difficult for goods to be delivered to Tibet. After China took over the ruling of Tibet, highways, roads, railways, airports were built to enable a better communication and exchange with the rest of China and the world. Schools, university, hospitals were established to provide better welfares to the people. As a result, the earnings of the Tibetans and living conditions of the Tibetans have improved tremendously. Over the past five years, Tibet has remained one of the fastest growing provincial-level regions in China. This is what China has done to the economy and social development in Tibet.
On the other hands, what have the CTA done for the Tibetans in exile? After 60 years, the Tibetans are still stateless, they continue to remain as a refugee. Nothing has really been done to improve the livelihood of the Tibetans, they still have to receive a subsidy from India. There is no industry, no agricultural activities, no higher learning institution. The most the Tibetans can do is running a restaurant or a shop. The CTA is inefficient and ineffective as a government. If the Tibetans want a better future, the CTA will be the wrong one to put their hope in.
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China has been pumping in investment into Tibet and alot of infrastructure has been invested including highways and airport. China is doing development in Tibet that the Tibetan Government failed to do so last time when they are still in power. China had also invested millions of funds into the preservation of cultural heritage sites and also religious sites such as Potala Palace and monasteries.
All of these will be impossible with the Tibetan government are still in power. Take a look at the Tibetan settlements now and compared it to 60 years ago. It is still backward and underdeveloped. Millions of donations have been given to CTA for the Tibetan Cause but it seems like only very little will reach the hands of the Tibetan.
All of the funds will go into the Tibetan politician's wallet. No wonder most of them have foreign country passports and even a property in overseas that is paid for. I guess when they go overseas to attend events, they might even go for a walk to shop for new houses just in case India decided to kick them out, they still have a place to stay.
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With China pumping in millions and millions of money into raising their standard of living and preservation of their cultural buildings, etc, I would say most Tibetans are happy as now they are their own masters with opportunity of property and business ownerships. It is hope that China has given them unlike the feudalistic system where there is nothing to hope for. Below are some horrendous pictures of the serfs so starved and having the limbs chopped off. There is one of someone's skin and a baby's one with the face. My god, their barbaric acts are so skilled. And the Tibetans want to go back to that kind of life? Urmmm I don't know. Even in India, CTA has not changed to improve at all. I won't want CTA back in Tibet. No way when I can have hope of owning my own life.
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See how the Chinese are helping the women in Tibet and promoting their living standards to owning their business. This is empowering families with opportunities to succeed. China even brought them to various countries to help them learn. What has CTA done for their people? Still sweater sellers in the villages??? Urmm and CTA is standing up for what? To bring Tibet back to feudalism?
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1124247.shtml (http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1124247.shtml)
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See how the Chinese are helping the women in Tibet and promoting their living standards to owning their business. This is empowering families with opportunities to succeed. China even brought them to various countries to help them learn. What has CTA done for their people? Still sweater sellers in the villages??? Urmm and CTA is standing up for what? To bring Tibet back to feudalism?
[url]http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1124247.shtml[/url] ([url]http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1124247.shtml[/url])
How nice China is helping Tibetan women to improve themselves and help themselves out of poverty. This is a very good effort from China because an effort like this goes a long way and its effect is long term. Tibetan government will never be able to do something like this for their fellow Tibetans.
Since Tibetans went into exile in India for 60 years, the Tibetan government could have easily organised workshops like this to help the Tibetans to give them a skill for them to survive in the society. These kinds of workshops are highly beneficial but the Tibetan government did not do anything like this at all. All they do is just spreading the false idea that they will be returning to Tibet soon and hence they just live by the day and expecting the day to return to their homeland to come.
All the Tibetan government did is just exploiting their people and to get as much money as they can. At one point, they even glorified those who self-immolate. What kind of government glorified suicide and it is indirectly encouraging their people to kill themselves. China taking over Tibet does not seem like a bad idea anymore.
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With much financial resources and determination to develop Tibet, They are even venturing into vinevard and wine production done.
Here's some short info from something I read recently online.
The company started planting vines at the site in 2012.
After initial failures in other locations, the growers noticed that in the Cai Na area—the name itself in Tibetan means ‘source of vegetables’— vines could survive and mature well in the gardens of local houses.
Rong Shun Biotechnology said that it planned to expand vineyard planting on the Tibet Plateau, with support from the local government’s poverty relief initiative.
‘The grand target is 10,000mu (666.7ha) wine plantings by 2022,’ it said.
The company said that it also planned to build production and wine tourism facilities to help create jobs in the area.
From: https://www.decanter.com/wine-news/worlds-highest-vineyard-tibet-says-guinness-world-records-402447/#SKffoLLA7m53EFeI.99 (https://www.decanter.com/wine-news/worlds-highest-vineyard-tibet-says-guinness-world-records-402447/#SKffoLLA7m53EFeI.99)
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Some of my Tibetan friends are excited about the new railway project. The railway, which will run from Chengdu, capital of Southwest China's Sichuan Province, to Lhasa, capital of Southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region will make it easier for Tibetans to travel and trade to/from Chengdu (one of their favourite destinations).
The 250-billion-yuan ($36.16 billon) railway, which will have a designated speed of between 160 and 200 kilometers per hour, is expected to be completed by 2026. Only China is able to fund such type of development. If Tibet were to be its own country, this will never happen. Also, this year, the Central Tibetan Administration is relying on US Congress' US$17 million 'aid' for the Tibetans in Exile. It's obvious the Tibetan refugees in India are going nowhere, still relying on aids after almost 6 decades as refugees.
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Some of my Tibetan friends are excited about the new railway project. The railway, which will run from Chengdu, capital of Southwest China's Sichuan Province, to Lhasa, capital of Southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region will make it easier for Tibetans to travel and trade to/from Chengdu (one of their favourite destinations).
The 250-billion-yuan ($36.16 billon) railway, which will have a designated speed of between 160 and 200 kilometers per hour, is expected to be completed by 2026. Only China is able to fund such type of development. If Tibet were to be its own country, this will never happen. Also, this year, the Central Tibetan Administration is relying on US Congress' US$17 million 'aid' for the Tibetans in Exile. It's obvious the Tibetan refugees in India are going nowhere, still relying on aids after almost 6 decades as refugees.
The railway project will definitely open up Tibet to many people and more opportunities for development will arise. Soon, Tibet will no longer be the barren lands where nomads wander around in the wilderness. China really put their heart and soul into developing Tibet and the Tibetans are receiving it positively. They finally able to understand that all these are no possible if the Tibetan government is still in charge. They will probably be still isolated from the world.
For years I would think China is really exploiting Tibet and they are the bad guys. But when I see what they are doing for the Tibetans, it changes my perspective around. They are helping Tibet alot by building roads, airports and preserving monasteries. They are in fact doing Tibet a favour by bringing in technology and speed up the process of developing Tibet.
The Tibetan government will never be able to do what China did and instead of condemning China, they should thank them. Look at how CTA treated the Tibetans in exile we will know. Tibetans in exile rather leave their government and fight for their future in foreign western countries is already a big indication of how bad it is in India. Lastly, Im glad China took over Tibet and hence Tibetan Buddhism is flourishing all over the world.
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Some of my Tibetan friends are excited about the new railway project. The railway, which will run from Chengdu, capital of Southwest China's Sichuan Province, to Lhasa, capital of Southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region will make it easier for Tibetans to travel and trade to/from Chengdu (one of their favourite destinations).
The 250-billion-yuan ($36.16 billon) railway, which will have a designated speed of between 160 and 200 kilometers per hour, is expected to be completed by 2026. Only China is able to fund such type of development. If Tibet were to be its own country, this will never happen. Also, this year, the Central Tibetan Administration is relying on US Congress' US$17 million 'aid' for the Tibetans in Exile. It's obvious the Tibetan refugees in India are going nowhere, still relying on aids after almost 6 decades as refugees.
The railway project will definitely open up Tibet to many people and more opportunities for development will arise. Soon, Tibet will no longer be the barren lands where nomads wander around in the wilderness. China really put their heart and soul into developing Tibet and the Tibetans are receiving it positively. They finally able to understand that all these are no possible if the Tibetan government is still in charge. They will probably be still isolated from the world.
For years I would think China is really exploiting Tibet and they are the bad guys. But when I see what they are doing for the Tibetans, it changes my perspective around. They are helping Tibet alot by building roads, airports and preserving monasteries. They are in fact doing Tibet a favour by bringing in technology and speed up the process of developing Tibet.
The Tibetan government will never be able to do what China did and instead of condemning China, they should thank them. Look at how CTA treated the Tibetans in exile we will know. Tibetans in exile rather leave their government and fight for their future in foreign western countries is already a big indication of how bad it is in India. Lastly, Im glad China took over Tibet and hence Tibetan Buddhism is flourishing all over the world.
I do agree with you and I think the majority too. All these years, I had thought that China has been mistreating the Tibetans. I think it may be initially true but lately news like all these empowering activities for the Tibetans to succeed in their livelihood turned my views to realise China does care for Tibet to grow. If they are exploiting then there is really no need for Tibetans to be given the opportunity to learn and be given chance to own their ventures right? Just go in and grab whatever they need. But China did not. Under the current President Xi, so much had been done for the Tibetans. If CTA views this positively then they will realise how generous China actually is. The past is the past and every country has their history of war and conquer, which by the way is what Buddha taught...impermanence. Learn to live with the present and work with the Chinese for the harmony of the Tibetans.
Hmmm, I forgot. CTA only cares for themselves. All those billions of USD sponsored funds gone. Poof! pemachen mentioned this year its $17millions from USA government (excluding private or other countries). A small part of that taken to spend on skills education for the exiles would go a long way for the future. Its so sad that the Tibetan Cause had been in the spotlight of world news for the past 60 years and yet the help that should benefit the real refugees never reach to their level. Exploited in Tibet and exploited in refugee camps. All the good works of Tibetan ministry.
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CTA has been successfully painted an ugly picture of China by using their sneaky ways of hiring paid trolls on Twitter to spread hatred and propaganda against China. They really did a good job in this which make the whole world condemn China for what they did. Due to sympathy, the western countries donated millions and millions to CTA for them to get back their country.
However, 60 years had passed and there is still no result. I wonder if any of those thousands of Rangzen groups and foreign countries that actually donated to CTA find it weird for CTA to produce no result? Will they wonder what happened to the all the donations that they had donated over the years? There is not even a dialogue between CTA and China to talk about getting back Tibet.
Maybe when they start questioning CTA for their failures, CTA will come up with another set of lies and blame it on an unseen being just like how Dorje Shugden is being blamed for their failures. What can possibly be a better plan than that? Just blame it on a formless being and all their problems are solved.
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Tibet under China is hurtling on to be one of the most modern provinces within the Chinese Republic. They have cut down the time to progress for the Tibetans.
Tibetans certainly enjoy better work opportunity, health care, and standards of living, than the feudal times, and there is much more equality too.
Can't wait for the more wealthier Tibetans to start sending their kids to top universities around the world, like how many of the Chinese do now.
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Tibet under China is hurtling on to be one of the most modern provinces within the Chinese Republic. They have cut down the time to progress for the Tibetans.
Tibetans certainly enjoy better work opportunity, health care, and standards of living, than the feudal times, and there is much more equality too.
Can't wait for the more wealthier Tibetans to start sending their kids to top universities around the world, like how many of the Chinese do now.
Lol! By the time their kids grow up, the top Universities could just be in China. Given that China is the world's #1 now, I am sure that they will not leave their Universities to languish in low standard. Beijing University is one of the top around the world. President Xi is quite far sighted I think and his method of building his country's prominence is sustainable into the future generations. So to support that, they will need smart, intelligent students to enter into the various industries to achieve his plans, don't you think?
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Tibet under China is hurtling on to be one of the most modern provinces within the Chinese Republic. They have cut down the time to progress for the Tibetans.
Tibetans certainly enjoy better work opportunity, health care, and standards of living, than the feudal times, and there is much more equality too.
Can't wait for the more wealthier Tibetans to start sending their kids to top universities around the world, like how many of the Chinese do now.
Lol! By the time their kids grow up, the top Universities could just be in China. Given that China is the world's #1 now, I am sure that they will not leave their Universities to languish in low standard. Beijing University is one of the top around the world. President Xi is quite far sighted I think and his method of building his country's prominence is sustainable into the future generations. So to support that, they will need smart, intelligent students to enter into the various industries to achieve his plans, don't you think?
The Tibetans who actually go through the Chinese system of education would probably turn out smarter and quicker than the average kid. This is because I believe the Chinese Schools will train them hard to be the best of the best.
Well if the Tibetans were smart they would just follow and get themselves to be part of China, to show they are so. In this wat they can one day preserve their own culture and language. To deal with China, one must do so skilfully unlike the really "smart" CTA.
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Tibet under China is hurtling on to be one of the most modern provinces within the Chinese Republic. They have cut down the time to progress for the Tibetans.
Tibetans certainly enjoy better work opportunity, health care, and standards of living, than the feudal times, and there is much more equality too.
Can't wait for the more wealthier Tibetans to start sending their kids to top universities around the world, like how many of the Chinese do now.
Lol! By the time their kids grow up, the top Universities could just be in China. Given that China is the world's #1 now, I am sure that they will not leave their Universities to languish in low standard. Beijing University is one of the top around the world. President Xi is quite far sighted I think and his method of building his country's prominence is sustainable into the future generations. So to support that, they will need smart, intelligent students to enter into the various industries to achieve his plans, don't you think?
The Tibetans who actually go through the Chinese system of education would probably turn out smarter and quicker than the average kid. This is because I believe the Chinese Schools will train them hard to be the best of the best.
Well if the Tibetans were smart they would just follow and get themselves to be part of China, to show they are so. In this wat they can one day preserve their own culture and language. To deal with China, one must do so skilfully unlike the really "smart" CTA.
Exactly! CTA would have been smart to quickly get into China and then weasel their way into the Parliamentary seats allocated. There they can work their "charm" to get more things for their "people". The way I see it, if they want their country back, conquer from within using the Chinese systems. Ownership is just a title, but freedom of governance is the real ownership of the country. So why not gain the trust of the Chinese government to be able to set your own policies? Look at the Panchen Lama. He has a seat in Parliament and the Government accord him with so much privileges. The Chinese government look to him for advisement. So in giving China face, the Panchen Lama did not lose anything. Even now the Dalai Lama is following the Panchen Lama's way and CTA should too. That is if CTA cared at all for their people.
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Tibet under China is hurtling on to be one of the most modern provinces within the Chinese Republic. They have cut down the time to progress for the Tibetans.
Tibetans certainly enjoy better work opportunity, health care, and standards of living, than the feudal times, and there is much more equality too.
Can't wait for the more wealthier Tibetans to start sending their kids to top universities around the world, like how many of the Chinese do now.
Lol! By the time their kids grow up, the top Universities could just be in China. Given that China is the world's #1 now, I am sure that they will not leave their Universities to languish in low standard. Beijing University is one of the top around the world. President Xi is quite far sighted I think and his method of building his country's prominence is sustainable into the future generations. So to support that, they will need smart, intelligent students to enter into the various industries to achieve his plans, don't you think?
The Tibetans who actually go through the Chinese system of education would probably turn out smarter and quicker than the average kid. This is because I believe the Chinese Schools will train them hard to be the best of the best.
Well if the Tibetans were smart they would just follow and get themselves to be part of China, to show they are so. In this wat they can one day preserve their own culture and language. To deal with China, one must do so skilfully unlike the really "smart" CTA.
Exactly! CTA would have been smart to quickly get into China and then weasel their way into the Parliamentary seats allocated. There they can work their "charm" to get more things for their "people". The way I see it, if they want their country back, conquer from within using the Chinese systems. Ownership is just a title, but freedom of governance is the real ownership of the country. So why not gain the trust of the Chinese government to be able to set your own policies? Look at the Panchen Lama. He has a seat in Parliament and the Government accord him with so much privileges. The Chinese government look to him for advisement. So in giving China face, the Panchen Lama did not lose anything. Even now the Dalai Lama is following the Panchen Lama's way and CTA should too. That is if CTA cared at all for their people.
Forget about it. CTA wont have the brains to think of something so far ahead of them. All they want is to enjoy now with their free donations while it last. They will not be thinking how to help the Tibetans and how to get them back to Tibet. All they want is to stay status quo and continues to enjoy the free money.
CTA certainly does not want to go back to Tibet because China will certainly not allow them to continue to operate in China's land. When Mr Lobsang announced that Tibet cause will on for another 50 years, it is a clear indication that they just want to extend their easy days.
That is why His Holiness the Dalai Lama must bring the Tibetans back to Tibet before he passes away. CTA will definitely not treat the Tibetans well and will further exploit them for their own game. The Tibetans will suffer more and on top of that, their future will remain a question. Look at Panchen Lama, does he looked like he has been abused? He is doing what a high lama should do which is teachings Dharma and giving initiations.
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Exactly! CTA would have been smart to quickly get into China and then weasel their way into the Parliamentary seats allocated. There they can work their "charm" to get more things for their "people". The way I see it, if they want their country back, conquer from within using the Chinese systems. Ownership is just a title, but freedom of governance is the real ownership of the country. So why not gain the trust of the Chinese government to be able to set your own policies? Look at the Panchen Lama. He has a seat in Parliament and the Government accord him with so much privileges. The Chinese government look to him for advisement. So in giving China face, the Panchen Lama did not lose anything. Even now the Dalai Lama is following the Panchen Lama's way and CTA should too. That is if CTA cared at all for their people.
CTA cannot charm China after they badmouthed and blamed China for everything that was wrong in the Tibetan exile community and in Tibet. A clear sign is China still has not resumed talk with CTA. Very simple. China is not even interested to talk to CTA, and now talks to India to 'negotiate' the Tibetans in exile situation in India.
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Exactly! CTA would have been smart to quickly get into China and then weasel their way into the Parliamentary seats allocated. There they can work their "charm" to get more things for their "people". The way I see it, if they want their country back, conquer from within using the Chinese systems. Ownership is just a title, but freedom of governance is the real ownership of the country. So why not gain the trust of the Chinese government to be able to set your own policies? Look at the Panchen Lama. He has a seat in Parliament and the Government accord him with so much privileges. The Chinese government look to him for advisement. So in giving China face, the Panchen Lama did not lose anything. Even now the Dalai Lama is following the Panchen Lama's way and CTA should too. That is if CTA cared at all for their people.
CTA cannot charm China after they badmouthed and blamed China for everything that was wrong in the Tibetan exile community and in Tibet. A clear sign is China still has not resumed talk with CTA. Very simple. China is not even interested to talk to CTA, and now talks to India to 'negotiate' the Tibetans in exile situation in India.
This is true. China do not even care to negotiate anything with Tibetan Government in Exile. To them, the CTA is nothing. Whereas the CTA should now in awareness that, their stay in India in not forever. They should put down their ego and begin to made friend with China before too late. The first thing they should stop is, stop calling Chinese as "China dog" and stop using Dorje Shugden's issues to hurt the Chinese.
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The Tibetans who actually go through the Chinese system of education would probably turn out smarter and quicker than the average kid. This is because I believe the Chinese Schools will train them hard to be the best of the best.
Well if the Tibetans were smart they would just follow and get themselves to be part of China, to show they are so. In this wat they can one day preserve their own culture and language. To deal with China, one must do so skilfully unlike the really "smart" CTA.
There is a big difference between what is assumed/speculative and reality. In the CTA keeping the Tibetan Cause going and asking for world support, the base assumption is that the Tibetan people will have a better life under the Tibetan leadership-in-exile. Historically that is not the case and many have pointed out Tibet's history of slavery and serfdom. In addition, and history aside, the present Tibetan leadership represented by the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) have proven itself incapable of managing 150,000 Tibetans (the figure is closer to 80,000 as many Tibetans have left the Tibetan settlements in India and stopped relying on the CTA) and securing some semblance of a future for them. And this is despite decades of financial aid, grants and all manner of support from the world governments and public. What is to say that the CTA can manage 6 million Tibetans and handle highly sensitive geopolitical issues between neighbouring countries such as India and China and at the same time construct its own financial, legal and administrative infrastructures?
No doubt the CTA faced many limitations as an exile government but the Tibetan diaspora's biggest setback is not its statelessness but its corrupt 'government' and officials. What the CTA has been extremely good at is disseminating anti-China propaganda and playing at the sentiments of the world public. Many people in the world feel that it is unfair for the Tibetan people to have lost their homeland. Much less will consider what might happen to the people should the CTA regain control of Tibetan placing 6 million lives in their hands.
Clearly the Dalai Lama knows that Lobsang Sangay and his people are not up to the task and hence, the Dalai Lama has been heard telling people that the Tibetan people will need to depend on China for their survival.
See video below and read this post: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/dalai-lama-advocates-tibetans-return-to-china-to-capitalize-on-chinas-prosperity/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/dalai-lama-advocates-tibetans-return-to-china-to-capitalize-on-chinas-prosperity/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN7HeHIU-5M&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN7HeHIU-5M&feature=youtu.be)
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Exactly! CTA would have been smart to quickly get into China and then weasel their way into the Parliamentary seats allocated. There they can work their "charm" to get more things for their "people". The way I see it, if they want their country back, conquer from within using the Chinese systems. Ownership is just a title, but freedom of governance is the real ownership of the country. So why not gain the trust of the Chinese government to be able to set your own policies? Look at the Panchen Lama. He has a seat in Parliament and the Government accords him with so many privileges. The Chinese government looks to him for advisement. So in giving China face, the Panchen Lama did not lose anything. Even now the Dalai Lama is following the Panchen Lama's way and CTA should too. That is if CTA cared at all for their people.
CTA cannot charm China after they badmouthed and blamed China for everything that was wrong in the Tibetan exile community and in Tibet. A clear sign is China still has not resumed talks with CTA. Very simple. China is not even interested to talk to CTA, and now talks to India to 'negotiate' the Tibetans in exile situation in India.
This is true. China does not even care to negotiate anything with the Tibetan Government in Exile. To them, the CTA is nothing. Whereas the CTA should now in the awareness that, their stay in India is not forever. They should put down their ego and begin to make friend with China before too late. The first thing they should stop is, stop calling Chinese as "China dog" and stop using Dorje Shugden's issues to hurt the Chinese.
Simply said! CTA has nothing to negotiate with! When you negotiate, you have something on hand that the other party wants. There is simply nothing of value in the eyes of China. Sorry to say, not even the Dalai Lama. It will be advantages but not a necessity. So CTA should really wake up to this fact and look deeper into which way they wish to go. If for themselves, stay as is until the sponsorship money dwindles to none as the world becomes more receptive to China and USA is on protectionism will soon stop sponsorship of their stooge. Smart will be to turn to China in good grace and beg!
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Tibetans in China definitely have a better and brighter future compared to the Tibetans in exile. The Chinese government has given them everything they need to help them grow, for example, educations, jobs, etc. They are given an equal opportunity, it is up to them if they want to go for it. The Tibetan culture and language are still preserved quite well in China.
The Tibetans in exile are neither here nor there. They are living in a land that doesn't belong to them. They don't have an identity, they are just refugees. Most of them are not living in a very good condition. The younger generation is losing touch with their own culture and language. Many of them can't really speak very good Tibetans.
I would say the Chinese government has done so much more for the Tibetans than the CTA. The welfare of the people is never the priority of the CTA. Even though they receive so much fund for the past 60 years, not much actually goes to the Tibetans or used to improve the quality of life of the Tibetans. That is also why fewer Tibetans are escaping China to come to India.
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The Tibetans who actually go through the Chinese system of education would probably turn out smarter and quicker than the average kid. This is because I believe the Chinese Schools will train them hard to be the best of the best.
Well if the Tibetans were smart they would just follow and get themselves to be part of China, to show they are so. In this wat they can one day preserve their own culture and language. To deal with China, one must do so skilfully unlike the really "smart" CTA.
There is a big difference between what is assumed/speculative and reality. In the CTA keeping the Tibetan Cause going and asking for world support, the base assumption is that the Tibetan people will have a better life under the Tibetan leadership-in-exile. Historically that is not the case and many have pointed out Tibet's history of slavery and serfdom. In addition, and history aside, the present Tibetan leadership represented by the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) have proven itself incapable of managing 150,000 Tibetans (the figure is closer to 80,000 as many Tibetans have left the Tibetan settlements in India and stopped relying on the CTA) and securing some semblance of a future for them. And this is despite decades of financial aid, grants and all manner of support from the world governments and public. What is to say that the CTA can manage 6 million Tibetans and handle highly sensitive geopolitical issues between neighbouring countries such as India and China and at the same time construct its own financial, legal and administrative infrastructures?
No doubt the CTA faced many limitations as an exile government but the Tibetan diaspora's biggest setback is not its statelessness but its corrupt 'government' and officials. What the CTA has been extremely good at is disseminating anti-China propaganda and playing at the sentiments of the world public. Many people in the world feel that it is unfair for the Tibetan people to have lost their homeland. Much less will consider what might happen to the people should the CTA regain control of Tibetan placing 6 million lives in their hands.
Clearly the Dalai Lama knows that Lobsang Sangay and his people are not up to the task and hence, the Dalai Lama has been heard telling people that the Tibetan people will need to depend on China for their survival.
See video below and read this post: [url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/dalai-lama-advocates-tibetans-return-to-china-to-capitalize-on-chinas-prosperity/[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/dalai-lama-advocates-tibetans-return-to-china-to-capitalize-on-chinas-prosperity/[/url])
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN7HeHIU-5M&feature=youtu.be[/url] ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN7HeHIU-5M&feature=youtu.be[/url])
The condition of Tibet is much better now with all the investment had done by the Chinese government. The Tibetans who had escaped to India are missing out alot. Tibetan settlements in India are still backwards, badly organised or no improvement after 60 years. The Tibetans had been carrying the attitude of treating India as a hotel up until now.
They are unwilling to use the money to fix up the place because since they are here for a brief amount of time, they refused to use the money to make the place better. Why make the place so nice since they are there for short-term only. That is why no development in the Tibetan settlements can be seen. Now that Tibet under China is getting bigger now, they will have started to rethink their decision.
Fewer Tibetans coming over to India now shows that the life in Tibet is not that bad after all. With the rate of China is going, Tibet will become even better than those Tibetan settlements. CTA will need to pray for the Tibetans to remain in India to generate pity fund for them. I hope the Tibetans in Exile will take move on with their lives and no wait for the independence of Tibet to magically happen.
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More and more Tibetans are leaving India. Many of them even though don't have a lot of money, they will borrow money from friends and family just to get out of India and the Tibetan community. The Tibetans have lost their faith in the CTA, they have waited for too long.
Reports also show that fewer Tibetans are arriving in India from China. The main reason is that the living standard and condition in Tibet have improved so much compared to 60 years ago and there are so many opportunities in Tibet. The Chinese government gives the Tibetans freedom to practice Buddhism and also use their own language. It is now a more conducive environment to preserve the Tibetan culture than it is in India.
China has proven that they are a more efficient and effective government. They bring prosperity to the people and society. The CTA on the other hand, only bring prosperity to themselves and continue to exploit the Tibetans for their own benefits. With the same old way of running their government, the CTA is definitely is going down.
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Do you know the poverty rate across Tibet has been 25% and now only 7% of the population in Tibet is suffering from poverty? China's anti-poverty policy is really effective and just Lhasa alone had lifted around 100,000 Tibetans up from poverty. This is how China is helping Tibet out.
China also offered free courses to Tibetans where they can learn a skill to survive. China is really investing a lot into Tibet making it a better place. They invested a lot of infrastructures such as highways and airport. They also invested in religious places such as monastery and holy sites.
China is definitely doing much more than what CTA has done for Tibet. Now that China had taken over Tibet, Tibet can finally catch up to the entire world. It is obvious that China is a much better government for Tibet than CTA. Tibet will not advance if the Tibetan leadership is still governing over Tibet.
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Do you know the poverty rate across Tibet has been 25% and now only 7% of the population in Tibet is suffering from poverty? China's anti-poverty policy is really effective and just Lhasa alone had lifted around 100,000 Tibetans up from poverty. This is how China is helping Tibet out.
China also offered free courses to Tibetans where they can learn a skill to survive. China is really investing a lot into Tibet making it a better place. They invested a lot of infrastructures such as highways and airport. They also invested in religious places such as monastery and holy sites.
China is definitely doing much more than what CTA has done for Tibet. Now that China had taken over Tibet, Tibet can finally catch up to the entire world. It is obvious that China is a much better government for Tibet than CTA. Tibet will not advance if the Tibetan leadership is still governing over Tibet.
While the CTA has been complaining to people about how China is suppressing the Tibetans in Tibet, they have not looked into how China has helped many of them improve their lives. What China has delivered is the reduction in the poverty rate, from 25% to 7%, there is a lot of improvement.
On the other hand, many countries have cut their ties with the CTA. CTA has closed down many offices especially their presence in Nepal. The arrival of Tibetans from China is closed to 0 now. This is not because of the strict border control but because China is a more promising government compared to the CTA.
However, CTA is not worried about their failure. They continue to operate the same way they have been doing for so many decades. How can one expects to see any changes if the method is not changed? I personally don't have confidence in the CTA, I will not entrust my future to the CTA.
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Many people may think China has been mistreating Tibetan in Tibet. With the report of the GDB growth it shows that China has been really did their best to improve Tibetan livelihood. China had invested a lot in Tibet and that's why we no longer hear Tibetan in China escape to India anymore and instead many Tibetan from India would want to return to Tibet. We will not see any improvement of Tibetan livelihood in India under CTA. For the past 60 years nothing has change and CTA just interested in looking for money for their own and not Tibetan. Now people can see who is serious in improving Tibetan welfare and lifestyle.
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Many people may think China has been mistreating Tibetan in Tibet. With the report of the GDB growth it shows that China has been really did their best to improve Tibetan livelihood. China had invested a lot in Tibet and that's why we no longer hear Tibetan in China escape to India anymore and instead many Tibetan from India would want to return to Tibet. We will not see any improvement of Tibetan livelihood in India under CTA. For the past 60 years nothing has change and CTA just interested in looking for money for their own and not Tibetan. Now people can see who is serious in improving Tibetan welfare and lifestyle.
Fewer Tibetans are arriving in India from Tibet, this says a lot. Life in Tibet is better than in India, that is for sure. Tibetans in Tibet have more opportunity than those in India. They are given the opportunity to receive education, to work in the government sector. Of course, they can choose to work in the private sector as a business owner as well.
Tibetans in India however, due to their refugee status, they cannot move around freely. They cannot own properties. CTA cannot give a good plan for the Tibetans. All the Tibetans can do is to wait. How much longer does the CTA wants the Tibetans to wait?
That is why many Tibetans want to go back to Tibet. Many regret for leaving Tibet to come to India. Those who return to Tibet live more comfortably and happier than those in India.