Print Page - Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible

About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: DharmaDefender on July 17, 2017, 05:42:13 PM

Title: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: DharmaDefender on July 17, 2017, 05:42:13 PM

The Tibetan communitys been awash with news about this young chap attempting a self-immolation whilst the Sikyong was visiting his university. Of course, all of the Tibetan media found it necessary to highlight that Lobsang Sangye was NOT responsible for his attempt and the boy is happy with LS and his work. I call bollocks?

First of, in the first 24 hours, it was only the Tibetan MEDIA who published this. After that, it was all sorts of minor news channels. Not on CNN, not on Fox, not on even the Beeb. It really tells you you summit eh, if it doesnt even warrant a mention on the Beeb? The Beeb, our intrepid champion of democracy in the far reaches of our empire, isnt even interested in reporting on the death of Tibetans anymore :-\

Second of yeah, as the article notes, if LS is doing such a fantastic job it means youve got hope. If youve got hope for results in what hes doing, why try and kill yourself? So why even make it a point to emphasise his motivation, that its not Sangyes fault?

The whole affair smells fishier than a trip down to Aldeburgh on a windy day. Poor chap, what a waste of a young mans life and yeah, prayers he recovers soon.

Quote

Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
[url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=54403[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=54403[/url])

([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/TenzinChoeying-1.jpg[/url])

Tenzin Choeying, 20, attempted to self-immolate at the Central University for Tibetan Studies in Varanasi in a protest calling for Tibetan freedom. He did so while the Tibetan Prime Minister Sikyong Lobsang Sangay was at the university giving a speech to the faculty and students. The young man is currently in critical condition in the hospital, with burns on over 60% of his body.

Sad news reached us today of yet another attempted self-immolation. This time, the victim was a 20-year-old man, Tenzin Choeying, who set himself on fire to draw attention to the so-called Tibetan cause. The protest was carried out in Varanasi, during a visit by the Prime Minister of the Tibetan people Sikyong Lobsang Sangay.

Most significant in the reports were remarks that the young man made before he self-immolated. Remarkably, Choeying thanked the Sikyong for the supposedly good job that he is doing. Choeying even had the presence of mind to state that Lobsang Sangay had nothing to do with the protest.

This last statement must surely be something that the Sikyong now takes comfort in, although he knows the failure for a so-called free Tibet and to initiate dialogue with China actually lies with him and his ineffective governance and leadership.

Instead of taking comfort from a 20-year-old’s words however, we request that for once, Lobsang Sangay shows concern for his people. We request that he does not think about assuaging his guilt, and instead focuses on why Tibetans to this day try and kill themselves. In light of this, we ask that the Sikyong Lobsang Sangay and all readers to contemplate this: if Lobsang Sangay was doing such a good job, why would a young man find that it is necessary to attempt to kill himself?Surely people only resort to such extreme measures when they feel they have no hope and this is their last resort to make themselves heard.

The rest is in the article here: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=54403 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=54403)

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: Matibhadra on July 18, 2017, 03:13:54 PM

Way more than minuscule Sangay, the evil dalie who has always and brazenly supported self-immolations is responsible.

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: KarmaRangdrol on July 19, 2017, 02:08:17 AM

If you're intentionally spelling his name incorrectly, why would anyone take your opinions seriously when the core tactic is pettiness? The only person who feels better about his name being spelt that way is you and as far as I can tell, your behaviour isn't convincing anyone on this forum.

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: Matibhadra on July 19, 2017, 03:26:46 AM

Quote

If you're intentionally spelling his name incorrectly,

The only one whose name I spelled in my previous post is minuscule Sangay's. Can you tell me where precisely is the “mispelling”?

Quote

why would anyone take your opinions seriously when the core tactic is pettiness?

What's “petty” with calling minuscule Sangay “minuscule Sangay”?

Besides, could you explain how the pettiness within your own mind could influence the opinion of others?

Quote

The only person who feels better about his name being spelt that way is you

What is in a minuscule Sangay that so much bothers you?

Quote

and as far as I can tell,

How far can you tell?

Quote

your behaviour isn't convincing anyone on this forum.

Of which you are not convinced yourself, so much you need to argue about my statements.

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: dsnowlion on July 20, 2017, 01:59:20 PM

Really poor boy... he died for the wrong reasons and wrong person! Where is Dharma and Buddhism in a society that represents it? WHY are Tibetans so attached? India is already giving them citizenship, passports etc... you would think having another chance at life would be the main goal. Why would you want to self-immolate when China is just going to laugh their heads off and feel happier when the population kills itself and dwindles down. How silly.

Poor boy, of all the people on this planet, he praises Sikyong Lobsang Sangay? What has the Sikyong done for them? I cannot believe that the CTA is just gonna stand there and watch them burn. Why won't they say anything? The only people who care is only the Tibetans and those who need to be on the Dalai Lama's camp. As a spiritual head, the HHDL needs to actually discourage taking one's own life. It is supposed to be bad karma to do so, isn't it?

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: AshRao on July 20, 2017, 09:34:32 PM

It’s really sad to see that this young boy thought that the Sikyong was doing a good job. That unfortunately is a not true. The CTA and Sikyong travel the world looking for funding for themselves and the Tibetan people in exile but when they do get the funds, there is no accountability where this money goes. So most often, this would surely get eaten up by those in power.

You hear nothing of the Sikyong being successful in his attempts to further the very cause that he receives funding for, that the Tibetans are poor exile refugees who want to get their country back somehow. There is even no dialogue with the Chinese authorities, let alone any progress in achieving either meaningful autonomy or even complete independence. But he still harps on again and again about the issue in order to raise funds which his government eats. They are ineffective, and that’s all there is to it.

Coupled with this is the governments lack of compassion for their own people. They sit by and let innocent people, like the boy above, try to kill themselves to get Tibet back. First off, the official stance of the Central Tibetan Administration is the middle way policy, so why would they not say something to stop the self-immolations by people who want a free Tibet. But on a more humane note, what sort of person would sit by and allow people to kill themselves, especially a person who is claiming to be a Buddhist? Shameful.

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: Pema8 on July 21, 2017, 09:10:12 PM

Another young person felt so much distress towards the situation of Tibet that he immolates himself. I cannot imagine the pain that the Tibetans go through because of their situation and their government does not move ahead in making their burden lighter.

When will the CTA befriend China and find ways to give a home to the Tibetans in Tibet. As we can see, the Tibetan Cause gets less attention and things do not improve. Stop these self-immolations and give the Tibetans, and especially to the young Tibetans, hope and future!

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: Big Uncle on July 21, 2017, 10:15:40 PM

Realistically speaking, how does self-immolation help anybody? I know it brings attention to the Tibetan cause because there are people who are so desperate that they would set themselves on fire for it. But what happened to the scores of people who self-immolated in Tibet? Did the deaths of those people change the dynamics between the Tibetan leadership in Dharamsala and China?

In fact, China has cracked down harder on the Tibetans and they have progressed no more than when they first started. It's a shame because so many Tibetans have lost their lives this way but it did not make a difference at all. Since that is the case, why allow more people to self-immolate and not issue statements to discourage people from further attempts at self-immolation.

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: DharmaSpace on July 23, 2017, 05:00:53 PM

The Tibetans in exile are desperate there is no doubt about that at all.

But there is an alternative return to Tibet, the homeland. Yes there are some freedoms curtailed naturally, but Tibet has opportunity with all the development happening there. China does not really want to oppress or suppress the Tibetans anymore than they need to. In India there is no growth nor opportunities, under CTA.

In this case better the devil you don't know.

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: DharmaSpace on July 23, 2017, 05:03:23 PM

Oh Yes, CTA and Lobsang Sangay for not speaking out against this useless immolation, another young life is snuffed out. Being snuffed out and creating no mileage is just a pure waste of human life, time and resources.

He could have lived at least another 30-40 years productively. This is the silence of the CTA. CTA are responsible for this young man taking his life.

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: michaela on July 24, 2017, 04:20:40 AM

It is sad that a 19-year-old boy had to self-immolate himself for a Tibetan cause. Over the years, I have always wonder how can the administration of a group of people who consider themselves as Buddhist can encourage self-immolation? It is wrong to kill oneself - and being a 19- year-old, I don't think he is fully informed of the consequences of self-immolation.

Too bad that he had to die for the hopeless free Tibet cause.

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: michaela on August 01, 2017, 02:02:28 PM

This is the result of the CTA encouraging self-immolation. More casualties this month.

*Tibetan Self-Immolates in India in Second Burning This Month*

An unmarried Tibetan man set himself on fire and died in the northwest Indian hill town of Dharamsala on Saturday in a protest calling for the long life of exiled spiritual leader the Dalai Lama, Tibetan sources said.

Dhondup, aged 48 and a painter employed by the Norbulingka Institute—a center for the preservation of Tibetan culture and art—self-immolated at about 3:30 p.m. on July 29 in a wooded spot called Lhagyal Ri where local Tibetans perform religious rites, witnesses to the burning said.

“When I arrived, his body was mostly burnt, but there was nothing I could do,” one witness to the protest, Tenzin Dorje, told RFA’s Tibetan Service.

“I immediately went to call others [for help], including the Tibetan Youth Organization, and when we returned we found an umbrella, a small Tibetan flag, two to three thousand Indian rupees, and a small note about the 80th birthday of His Holiness the Dalai Lama,” he said.

Another witness, a woman named Ama Phurkyi, told a press conference after the protest that she had been walking along a path that circles the area, “when I suddenly heard the sound of fire burning.”

“When I looked back, I heard a man calling out for the long life of His Holiness the Dalai Lama while engulfed in flames,” Ama Phurkyi said. “I was so frightened that I ran away so that I could inform others.”

Gyurme Dorje, another witness to the burning, said he also heard Dhondup call out for the Dalai Lama’s long life, he said.

“I was impressed by his faith and devotion for His Holiness,” he said.

A sincere worker

Speaking to RFA, Norbulingka Institute employee Nyima Gyalpo said that Dhondup, who sources said had arrived in India from Tibet in 1991, was proficient in the Tibetan language and a regular reader of Tibetan newspapers like the Tibet Times and Tibet Express.

“He did his work sincerely and always reported on time,” Gyalpo said, adding that Dhondup tended to avoid going out with others and preferred going places on his own.

Dhondup’s protest was the second self-immolation by a Tibetan living in India this month, and followed the July 14 self-immolation of Tenzin Choeying, a Tibetan college student living in Varanasi who died of his burns more than a week later.

Self-immolation protests by Tibetans living outside Tibetan-populated areas of China are rare, while a total of 150 have now set themselves ablaze in Tibet and Tibetan-populated counties in western China.

Most protests feature demands for Tibetan freedom and the return of the Dalai Lama from India, where he has lived since escaping Tibet during a failed national uprising in 1959.

Reported by Sangye Dorje and Lobe Socktsang for RFA’s Tibetan Service. Translated by Karma Dorjee. Written in English by Richard Finney.

http://www.rfa.org/english/news/tibet/burning-07312017145025.html (http://www.rfa.org/english/news/tibet/burning-07312017145025.html)

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: dsnowlion on August 01, 2017, 03:12:52 PM

Such a shame! Another boy dies for WRONG PEOPLE, WRONG REASONS and WHY hasn't the Tibetan leaders said anything? Do they realise that all this violence is heading nowhere, except maybe less Tibetan population?

Do they realise that not saying anything mean they condone and encourage their own people to die? They should really stop these youth and they should encourage a more positive, peaceful way of protest?

If your own government doesn't say anything and allows you to burn yourself and die, what does it tells you about the government? Definitely NOT for the People but their own pockets! Shame CTA, shame Dharamsala, Shame you let your people die for YOUR FAILURES!

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: DharmaDefender on August 02, 2017, 12:55:47 AM

Quote from: michaela on August 01, 2017, 02:02:28 PM

“I was impressed by his faith and devotion for His Holiness,” he said.

That is just sick. Who dedicates death to anyone? If he was so faithful and devoted, he should of not killed himself. He should of stayed alive and inspired others to faith and devotion through his thangka painting. Thatd been a better use of his talents than bloody burning himself to death. Im sorry hes gone in such a horrible way but that was such a warped way of thinking and it just goes to show you badly Dharamsalas educated their people. Their valuing the wrong things and undervaluing the right ones. How many more lives need to be lost before the CTA bleeding wake up and realise wots going on with their people? :-\

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: pemachen on August 03, 2017, 04:22:07 AM

It is a shame that the CTA does not do anything to stop this because every self-immolation, in Tibet or in exile is a chance for the CTA to get some publicity. On their own, they have not accomplish much that is news worthy for Tibetans.

It is sad that India has to speak up for Tibetans in exile and the CTA while nothing much has progressed. Nine rounds of talks had taken place between the China and Tibet (in exile) since 2002, but had not produced any break through in the Tibetan issue, and since 2010 the talks had stalled. It has been 7 years.

(https://preview.ibb.co/iMVK0Q/India_raised_Tibet_Issue.png)

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: dsnowlion on August 03, 2017, 09:06:10 AM

Quote from: pemachen on August 03, 2017, 04:22:07 AM

It is a shame that the CTA does not do anything to stop this because every self-immolation, in Tibet or in exile is a chance for the CTA to get some publicity. On their own, they have not accomplish much that is news worthy for Tibetans.

It is sad that India has to speak up for Tibetans in exile and the CTA while nothing much has progressed. Nine rounds of talks had taken place between the China and Tibet (in exile) since 2002, but had not produced any break through in the Tibetan issue, and since 2010 the talks had stalled. It has been 7 years.

OMG Pema you just hit the nail on the head alright. You said it and THAT IS THE TRUTH... REALLY CTA DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING NEWS WORTHY and so THEY ARE HAPPY WHEN SOMEONE DIES FOR THEIR CAUSE! What a sick sick sick fake, corrupted, abusive, did I say fake, foolish, nonsensical, rubbish of a government would be happy for their own people to kill themselves?

Look at all the kind of news they give out. Nothing about progress, nothing about improving their relationship with CHina or plans to invite His Holiness back to CHina.... what happened to all the so called spirit they worship and their predictions, how come Nechung's predictions are always wrong? But you do not hear one single word about Dorje SHugden's predictions came out wrong. There are so many things wrong with CTA, and if they cannot do a good job, then at least let others who can do it and stop sucking up the millions of resources for their own agendas.

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: michaela on August 03, 2017, 10:21:49 AM

Finally, after so much questioning from the public, Sikyong Lobsang Sangay made a move to discourage self-immolation. But before he did so, two lives have been lost within a month. What a shame!

------
CTA President Discourages Self-immolation Protest, Urges Tibetans to Contribute Substantially to the Cause

Dharamshala: The President of Central Tibetan Administration, Dr Lobsang Sangay today discouraged self immolation protests and urged Tibetans to pursue more powerful means by honing one’s educational, professional and personal competency to substantially contribute to the Tibetan cause.

“While we understand the intention behind the act of self-immolation, we must remember that the life of every Tibetan is precious and that we must be alive to fight for our cause. In a free country, we have the freedom to embark on all possible methods to contribute substantially to advancing our cause. The life of every six million Tibetan is precious and every life lost is a huge loss for us and for our cause,” said the concerned President.

President Dr Lobsang Sangay was speaking to the press at the prayer service for Passang Dhondup, who succumbed to his burns after self-immolating on Saturday, 29 July 2017. Click here to watch.

President further said Kashag is considering not to attend prayer meetings in the future for self immolation protests in exile.

Speaking to the press today, CTA President said, “As a Tibetan and a Buddhist, we are here to offer prayers for the deceased, but the Kashag has consistently and categorically discouraged self-immolation, especially in exile where Tibetans have the complete freedom to pursue any meaningful means that would contribute to the Tibetan cause.

“While we understand the plight of Tibetans inside Tibet and the situation under which they have to resort to such actions, Tibetans in exile have the freedom to participate in protests in any form one chooses to do. We have had other cases of self immolation in exile; parents of the self-immolators have voiced the same concern and have urged the youth to pursue more powerful means such as education.

“We therefore discourage all Tibetans, especially the youth in exile from resorting to such drastic actions and urge them to pursue more powerful means to substantially contribute to the Tibetan cause.” the President said.

“There are other numerous means to make meaningful contribution to the cause, President Dr Sangay said. “First is education; focus on achieving excellence in your educational field, become a resourceful member of the community and go on to represent Tibet in governments and parliaments around the world.

“Second, preserve Tibetan identity, language and culture. Third, be a part of various NGOs and organise activities to garner support and awareness on the Tibetan issue. Even in schools, one can organize awareness events such as panel discussion, art and literary festivals and educate people on Tibet.

“One can also write articles on Tibet or even organise a march for Tibet. There are multiple opportunities for us to contribute to the Tibetan movement, without resorting to self-immolation,” the President noted.

Passang Dhondup’s body was cremated this morning following the prayer service at Lhagyalri.

Representatives of Central Tibetan Administration including members of the Kashag and members of the Tibetan Parliament-in-Exile attended the prayer service as a mark of solidarity with Passang Dhondup’s family and friends. The prayer service and the funeral were organized by Norbulingka Institute.

Passang Dhondup, 48, was a wood painter at Norbulingka Institute. Originally from Gyaltse in Shigatse Prefecture of Tibet Autonomous Region, Passang arrived in India in 1991 and had worked from 2012 as a wood painter at Norbulingka institute.

Despite the CTA’s repeated appeals to Tibetans not to resort to drastic measures such as self-immolation as a means of protest against Chinese rule, 149 Tibetans inside Tibet and 10 Tibetans in exile have set themselves on fire.

http://tibet.net/2017/08/cta-president-discourages-self-immolation-protest-urges-tibetans-to-contribute-substantially-to-the-cause/ (http://tibet.net/2017/08/cta-president-discourages-self-immolation-protest-urges-tibetans-to-contribute-substantially-to-the-cause/)

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: Celia on September 29, 2017, 04:35:54 AM

After so many deaths through the years, isn’t it clear that self-emulation would not spur a change in China about the Tibetan cause? Yet CTA refuses to take a stronger position to curb such grisly suicides when they are clearly in position to do so. In fact, CTA only gave some half-hearted after thought plea as lip service when more and more people are questioning about CTA’s inaction.

Goes to show perhaps there is much truth in the allegations that CTA actually condones such growing trend of self-immolations. After all, if CTA truly is financially benefiting through the increased donations from foreign countries and organizations after every case of self-immolation, it is no wonder that CTA won’t call for its cessation.

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: grandmapele on September 29, 2017, 05:41:35 AM

Too many of such cases. The heartlessness of the CTA in not calling for a stop to such a violent act is deplorable. Taking one's own life is also taking a life, a killing. This will sadly, send the poor boy to the lower realms for a very long time. How can the leaders sit back and not say anything? Worse still, they use this self-immolation to publicize and garner support and financial aid. The sad part is, there will still be gullible people who will listen to them. I shudder to think that there such monsters around.

And, it doesn't end there. This is the latest case: -
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-ctas-incompetence-claims-another-life/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-ctas-incompetence-claims-another-life/)

How many more lives will be lost before the sponsors wake up to the terrible thing the CTA is doing in not coming out to condemn or call for a stop to them?

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: vajrastorm on September 29, 2017, 10:38:34 AM

The CTA had remained relatively quiet when the self-immolations occured within Tibet. While silently condoning it, and blaming the Chinese Government for provoking the self-immolations, the CTA was using the opportunity to garner sympathy from foreign sponsors as well as huge donations! Now that within 1 month, 2 people have self-immolated in areas under CA's jurisdiction , the Tibetan leadersip-in-exile is speaking up against self-immolation!

Self-immolation is wrong whether it be engaged in within Tibet or outside of it.Taking of one's own life , unless it is with a Bodhisattva motivation, carries very heavy negative karma. It is an act that's a no-no for any Buddhist. How could the CTA have even silently condone it?Furthermore, each case of self-immolation is a waste of a precious human life, so rare and difficult to obtain .The saddest part of it is that it does not in any way help to gain independence for Tibet. Instead, it has provoked more anger from China.

Again, why is the Tibetan leadership not stopping these Tibetans from committing self-immolation for the cause of Tibet's independence,especially when H.H.the Dalai Lama has officially shifted his stance to a quest for autonomy for Tibet? Doesn't it appear as though the Tibetan leadership is going against the Dalai Lama's dictates? The Tibetan Leadership should be busy resuming negotiations with China for autonomy for Tibet.There is hardly any window of time left for them .

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: Tenzin K on September 29, 2017, 03:12:02 PM

This boy self-immolates for Tibetan freedom. How can it got nothing to do with the Tibetan Leadership? How can Sikyong don’t even said a word? At this age of time how can a leader still allow such sacrifices?

Why Tibetan leadership can imposed Dorje Shugden ban baselessly with violence, harassment and even spend their funding to produce video and publish reading material to discriminate and suppress Shugdenpas?

Why Tibetan leadership didn’t take step to use their billion funding to educate their people stop this harmful act? There is only one reason to explain this which is Tibetan leadership is using this play emotional card on China by sacrificing their people and with this sacrifices he can ask for more donation as a sympathy.

All Tibetan must wake up and not to hurt themselves anymore as nothing is important than live a beneficial life.

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: Brian Little on September 29, 2017, 05:49:33 PM

If i am so amazed by the contribution (was there any???) Then why do i need to lit myself up when he is coming for a conference? What did he and his CTA do to have inspired its people?? I don't know if the boy is actually coaxed or brainwashed to be doing so as i find illogical. Burning yourself up will not help your people to get back your homeland, CTA will get the publicity and that is when they will play the poor me card to demand for money donations to make them even more corrupt!

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: Celia on October 06, 2017, 01:19:41 AM

Bottom-line is that if CTA was responsible and did what they were elected to do, Tibetan youths wouldn’t be so engulf in anguish, desolation and frustration that they felt they had no other options but to take drastic measures in order to effect a change.

And the fact that CTA is willing to allow such grisly suicides to continue and even glorify such death to milk the situation to their advantage and seemingly getting away without any repercussion is disgustingly tragic. Especially since CTA is clearly in a position to take stronger steps to prevent such unnecessary deaths. After all, if CTA can do so much to enforce and upheld an illogical ban on Dorje Shugden people, CTA can clearly do more than issue a couple of vague statements to prevent more unnecessary deaths of Tibetans.

It is really high time that CTA be made to be more accountable by Tibetans and those who are sympathetic towards the Tibetan cause. Why continue to allow, support and even enable CTA to continue capitalising on the sufferings of Tibetans?

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: vajrastorm on October 06, 2017, 03:01:04 AM

Sikyong Lobsang Sangay really has no time to play mind games. Already the Indian locals are questioning why the Tibetan refugees are getting more privileges than other refugees elsewhere. They are asking that these be removed. If the CTA had used the billions of aid dollars to alleviate the living conditions of all the Tibetans in Exile, then the self-immolations wouldn't have occurred in the first place. So Sikyong and CTA, time for positive actions. Resume negotiations with the Chinese Leaders for autonomy for Tibet, following the Dalai Lama's plans. Ensure all stateless Tibetans become Indian citizens. PLease don't leave them high and dry!

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: SabS on October 07, 2017, 04:39:36 PM

It is really sad to have to read about another boy attempted self-immolation to promote the Tibetan cause. It shows how severely CTA had failed their people that people had to give up their precious lives to do something. The desperation is evidence as well as the helplessness of their situation. Probably most of the people are asking if they should stay as refugee with hopes of going back to Tibet as promised by CTA or to just take responsibility and realise CTA's betrayal of never fulfilling their ultimate dream of "going home". CTA doesn't even care for the boy but instead chose to promote cases of self-immolations for sympathy which translate into more sponsorships to line their pockets with. It seems that CTA leaderships take off to meet sponsors whenever there were cases for sympathy and I would say Self-Immolation will gain top sympathy.

It takes the Self-Immolator a tremendous amount of guts and courage to set oneself on fire and yet to serve no good purpose. I would advise them instead to channel such courage towards forming a government that cares for their people. Won't it make more sense? As a truly legitimate government, many issues blown out of proportion will need to be tackled and care put into one's people, especially to reunite the people with abolishing of the Dorje Shugden Ban (4 million practitioners worldwide). Be realistic and go for autonomy as advised by the Dalai Lama. Who in the world would give up something when she has ruled for 60 years (and doing a good job of elevating the standard of living there) as promoted by Rangzen . Wake up!

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: Manjushri on October 08, 2017, 06:13:56 PM

It is sad that self immolation has to take place, because of the CTA's inefficiencies. Every self immolation not only demonstrates a cry for a Free Tibet, but also, the lack of doings/result from CTA. With no choice, they choose to self immolate. Why does the CTA continue to allow its people to do this? If they had done their job correctly, no one would go to this extreme as a cry for help, because they would have felt hope from what the CTA would and should have provided after all these years.

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: Celia on October 16, 2017, 05:26:38 AM

Quote from: Manjushri on October 08, 2017, 06:13:56 PM

It is sad that self immolation has to take place, because of the CTA's inefficiencies. Every self immolation not only demonstrates a cry for a Free Tibet, but also, the lack of doings/result from CTA. With no choice, they choose to self immolate. Why does the CTA continue to allow its people to do this? If they had done their job correctly, no one would go to this extreme as a cry for help, because they would have felt hope from what the CTA would and should have provided after all these years.

Well, if CTA really cared about Tibetans and did what they were elected to do in the first place, there will not be Tibetans who would be driven to take such drastic action. One can only imagine the desperation, frustration and hopelessness felt by them resulting in them feeling that they can only use their life to be heard.

Sadly, such self-immolation does nothing for the Tibetan cause. The only one benefitting is CTA and hence they will not actively bring a stop to it. After all, more deaths translate to more sympathy prompting more donations for CTA to pocket.

When will Tibetans realise the futility of not only self-immolations but also trusting/supporting CTA?

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: grandmapele on October 17, 2017, 12:46:22 AM

As Buddhists and with the Dalai Lama heading the Tibetans in exile, the CTA should discourage self-immolation as killing own self is also killing, and a human life at that. how heavy the karma for those self-immolations and those not stopping it. CTA should not wholly blame China. they too are partly responsible. Own up to you responsibility as leaders of the Tibetans in exile. Don't be such cowards and sneaky blaming people.

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: dsnowlion on October 28, 2017, 10:22:40 PM

Quote from: grandmapele on October 17, 2017, 12:46:22 AM

As Buddhists and with the Dalai Lama heading the Tibetans in exile, the CTA should discourage self-immolation as killing own self is also killing, and a human life at that. how heavy the karma for those self-immolations and those not stopping it. CTA should not wholly blame China. they too are partly responsible. Own up to you responsibility as leaders of the Tibetans in exile. Don't be such cowards and sneaky blaming people.

I don't think CTA believe in karma. Sometimes I wonder are the Buddhist because they sure do not act like one. Sorry to say this. All they do is create disharmony, problems, divide people, families, friends, Gurus, threaten people's lives... what kind of Government is this? Better not to have one!

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: Celia on November 14, 2017, 06:40:07 AM

Quote from: dsnowlion on October 28, 2017, 10:22:40 PM

Quote from: grandmapele on October 17, 2017, 12:46:22 AM
As Buddhists and with the Dalai Lama heading the Tibetans in exile, the CTA should discourage self-immolation as killing own self is also killing, and a human life at that. how heavy the karma for those self-immolations and those not stopping it. CTA should not wholly blame China. they too are partly responsible. Own up to you responsibility as leaders of the Tibetans in exile. Don't be such cowards and sneaky blaming people.

I don't think CTA believe in karma. Sometimes I wonder are the Buddhist because they sure do not act like one. Sorry to say this. All they do is create disharmony, problems, divide people, families, friends, Gurus, threaten people's lives... what kind of Government is this? Better not to have one!

Totally agree. Indeed, for a government that professes to incorporate Buddhist principles, the CTA has not only failed to adhere such principles but instead has, time and time again acted in contradiction to such principles. Take this situation with self-immolation, instead of discouraging such grisly suicide when it clearly is not in tandem with Buddhist teachings about taking one’s life and karma, the CTA blatantly capitalise on the situation to deepen their pockets. After all, to CTA, the publicised deaths and deaths tally serve to tug more heartstrings which in turn bring in more financial aids for CTA and hence the vested interest to let the situation perpetuate.

By right, even on a secular level, as a responsible government, CTA should have actively discouraged such act of self-immolation instead of keeping quiet for so long. CTA only cut back on glorifying such deaths and only started vaguely saying something against it after being called out for remaining silent for so long. In other words, CTA only feebly issued vague statement against self-immolation due to the pressure to be seen to be doing something rather than arising out of genuine care for its people.

Title: Re: Boy self-immolates, Sikyong is responsible
Post by: angelica on December 03, 2017, 08:27:06 AM

Protest by self-immolates will not bring any result. Is just a waste of human life being sacrifice. Tibetan need to understand this and do not sacrifice for the benefit of irresponsible government, ie CTA.