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Title: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: aboutthetruth on June 29, 2017, 05:30:57 PM
Peljor is at it again on his Facebook profile. The guy just can't help himself, always has to offer his penny worth of thoughts in the guise of encouraging discussion and dialogue. He needs to do that in order to get some traffic to his lagging blog and his distorted views and a semblance to being important. But the trouble is when people take him up on his offer and possess their own opinions, you know what's going to happen. He's going to break out his condescending, holier than thou tone. Because, as a monk his 'career' is based on being the unwanted 'dharma police' of every single happening in the Tibetan Buddhist world. No one solicits his comments or cares for his opinions, yet he forces them on everyone. What makes him the supreme authority to judge everyone? Just because he took a cross-eyed picture together with His Holiness the Dalai Lama, suddenly he is elevated to 10th level perfection!

I'm taken aback by the type of supporters that the Dalai Lama has. So overwhelmed with their own hatred for everybody that they don't realise how inconsistent their views are. On the one hand, he's always writing about how Sogyal has done this and that. Yet when people like Sandra Mesrine talk about the culture of silence in Tibetan monasteries, and offers her opinion, he automatically defends the Tibetan establishment.

Peljor needs take an aspirin or two and get his head out of his Tibetan fever daze. Tibetan Buddhism is in the West now and it's going to be subjected to Western attitudes. Deal with it. Just because this Jäckel is in monk's robes, he thinks he is the authority on all matters Tibetan ???

Yeah, right. I own a dog so I can speak on behalf of all dog owners. No man. Doesn't work that way. You don't get to talk and represent the Dalai Lama...unless those rumours of you being paid by the Tibetan leadership really are true? :o

And do these people actually read what the Dalai Lama says?

The Dalai Lama is talking about neutrality but is it being neutral when you split monasteries in half, or keep talking against them as the Dalai Lama does against you Shugden people? Surely remaining neutral is remaining silent, and not taking sides.

You want to follow the Dalai Lama? You want to be neutral? Stop criticising Geshe Kelsang. Stop criticising Trijang. Stop criticising Sogyal. Stop criticising people who want to take an Indian passport. Stop criticising rangzen people. Just stop.

Yes, the Dalai Lama talks about distancing oneself but he also talked about remaining neutral. Of course, people only see the distancing part. Wish people would take the Dalai Lama's entire meaning into account, and not just words and sentences here and there as and when it suits them.

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What's that now 'yogini' aka Lobsang Nyima? Having some doubts in the Dalai Lama? After all, he did choose a Gaden Tripa who didn't have enough merits to stay on the throne  :-\ Whoops. Sorry, someone had to say it. You know, it's really easy to rock this 'yogini's equilibrium, especially now her drag 'career' is over.

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Wonder what Aga thinks about how Peljor uses his platform to abuse all monks who don't fit his warped ideals.

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I was wondering how long it was going to take before Peljor used all of this as an opportunity for self-promotion. He never promotes Dharma teachings, Dharma articles or information. Only judgements, criticism and attacks. But if he was truly out to expose alleged abuses in Tibetan Buddhism, why does he then go to such lengths to debate against Sandra Mesrine? When will Peljor behave like a monk and not just wear the costume of a monk? Halloween's over.

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You're right Peljor, do we rich Westerners have the right to condemn? Perhaps you should get rid of your website which does nothing but condemn everyone. While Sandra Mesrine agrees to disagree, and points out the problems that exist, Peljor doesn't even address her comment. Instead talks about his experience in India, and questions what's right and wrong. Is this 'monk' for real, excusing alleged abuse by saying that the youth would otherwise suffer poor living conditions? Hey, abuse is wrong, full stop, in whatever context it takes place in.

It is interesting that Peljor just ignored Sandra's comment about Dalai Lama's personal monastery of Namgyal monks enjoying pornography. Also there are many career monks in Namgyal meaning they only wear robes and stay near the Dalai Lama for financial gain. Of course if Peljor were to comment on this like the rest of us Westerners, it would make him look bad because the basis of his 'power' to judge and condemn others is his closeness to the sanctified Dalai Lama above all reproach. As a Westerner to me, no one is above reproach especially people of spiritual authorities. If the Dalai Lama, as Sandra said, is ignoring the career monks in his own monastery and ignoring the pornography, what does that look like? You guess. Peljor has to defend the Dalai Lama because it is not faith that draws Peljor to the Dalai Lama but it's a career. For Peljor all of this is simply a job and his robes are part of the uniform. Child molestation in any society is disgusting and should be dealt with by the law. Pornography in any monastery should be banned and stopped. The Dalai Lama allowing this in his monastery is well known and spoken in hushed tones among the Tibetans and Westerners (injis) in McLeod Ganj. Too bad Peljor is so biased in his views. Gotta keep the boss happy.

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This monk keeps defending the potential for abuse that Sandra Mesrine is talking about. Why would anyone in their right mind defend sexual abuse? I find it pretty entertaining too that it's a bunch of white folk debating the culture of Asians (or Tibetans in this case), acting like they are experts because they spoke to some Asian friends. Interesting. Would the same people claim and insist they are experts and familiar with black culture? Don't think so.

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I guess it wasn't okay for Kalu to be molested, and when he came out to talk about it he was applauded for it. But Peljor doesn't seem to have any problem with it, in fact he seems to be okay with it. Wonder what Kalu, with the traumatic experience he relays here, would think about his 'good' 'friend' Peljor defending sexual abuse.

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Yes Peljor, quality amongst the sangha is an issue. Just look at you. So there's a practice of beating misbehaving monks and you don't agree with this. But look at you and your website that was set up specifically to criticise everyone who doesn't mean your very biased and inconsistent standards. What should the monastic administration do with a 'monk' like you? If you want to have a future life as a monk who isn't abused in the monastery, best you stop spending all of your time abusing others now.

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For someone who "believes" in rebirths, I wonder if it will serve you right when you continuously criticise and defame peoples' religion. If you believe in Buddhism, you should know that there's not a single teaching in the Buddha's tantra who teaches one to put down and criticise one's belief.

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Yes in the West you are one step ahead and have all kinds of material facilities available but unfortunately, that's when religions don't matter anymore because people no longer worship their beliefs, they worship machinery and materialism.

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Talking about fairness, who don't you walk your talk and be fair to Dorje Shugden practitioners too? Why is "fairness" only applied in accordance to your projections? This is not being fair at all, it's called a double standard.

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Why are you attacking Sogyal Rinpoche? Dalai Lama has had audience with him and you know the Dalai Lama does not meet just any Tom, Dick and Harry. If you are really "devoted" to the Dalai Lama, why do you criticise your Guru's friend? Is that right?

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While the Dalai Lama is open and willing to discuss about integration of Tibetan Buddhism with the West, and the challenges that may come with it, Peljor is in denial and would rather defend the status quo. I guess he must be okay with importing the potential for abuse.

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Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: AshRao on June 29, 2017, 05:44:43 PM
Tenzin Peljor, you claim to be a student of His Holiness the Dalai Lama and that would make him your lama right? You received teachings from him? If he is your lama you need to be practicing what he teaches and view all his actions as the actions of a buddha. But you continue to say bad things about Sogyal Rinpoche, despite the fact that he is close to the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama visited Sogyal Rinpoche's centres, and blesses them. If this doesn't show that the Dalai Lama is close to Sogyal Rinpoche, what else does?

So if he is close to Sogyal Rinpoche, likes him, and says good things about him, shouldn't you be too? Or in the least, stay quiet about it? But you have constantly said bad things about him and you criticize him. Where is your guru devotion? saying bad things about Sogyal Rinpoche contradicts the Dalai Lama's own views on Sogyal Rinpoche, which are obviously positive. You challenge him every time you start writing about how bad Sogyal Rinpoche is.   
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on June 29, 2017, 06:08:43 PM

The Dalai Lama visited Sogyal Rinpoche's centres, and blesses them.
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The evil dalie, while a puppet himself, is the master criminal. The corrupt Sogyal is his accomplice. Peljor is anything in between. Why should Shugdenpas care about their intestine infights.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on June 29, 2017, 06:09:55 PM
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The Dalai Lama visited Sogyal Rinpoche's centres, and blesses them.

The evil dalie, while a puppet himself, is the master criminal. The corrupt Sogyal is his accomplice. Peljor is anything in between. Why should Shugdenpas care about their intestine infights.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Big Uncle on June 29, 2017, 09:27:21 PM
Its just too bad that this Peljor guy is at it again. Why do we have to hear about his views on this matter? What gives him the right to assess other teachers when he himself is not really qualified to teach. I would never go for his teachings.

On top of that, all he ever would teach would be about the controversial aspect of Buddhism. Why would I wanna learn about that? All he ever talks about is controversy and he is a monk as well. This is does not reflect well on a monk. What can I say, Peljor is tired. Please either enter into a long close retreat or pursue your education and keep quiet already. Please stop embarrassing yourself and especially the sangha. Real sincere sangha members are not like this.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: DharmaDefender on June 30, 2017, 12:44:55 AM
What a sad, sad excuse for a monk. Mate if your going to defend sexual abuse, take yer robes off. Bleeding embarrassment to the institution. How do you call yourself one of the Three Jewels when you defend abuse? How can anyone EVER defend alleged sexual abuse? I went to the Raven Page link that Sadrine posted and wonder if Peljor ever read it. Absolutely heartbreaking story of two young monks who were abused in a monastery in Bhutan, how can that sort of thing ever be defended or excused?

Its pretty obvious Peljors completely skipped over the fact the Dalai Lama allows for porn to be circulated through Namgyal. People are obviously going to claim that the Dalai Lama doesnt know but do you hear yourself? The Dalai Lama doesnt know whats going on in his OWN monastery? Chenrezig doesnt know? Yeahhhh sure.

Look mate if your going to defend abuse, keep yer trap shut about Dorje Shugden practice. You have no right to criticise us if thats the sort of thing YOU stand up for and fight acceptable. Hell Im glad were not on the same side if being on your side means aligning to views like yours. If you think relying on Shugden will send us to the Three Lower Realms where do you think your going to end up if you deny and defend sexual abuse? Digusting.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: dsnowlion on June 30, 2017, 02:50:14 AM
Why does this monk have so much time debating, gossiping and criticising others online?
You don't see any other monks doing that and keep on promoting schismatic website that defames other Lamas and Dharma centre. Don't tell me this is something His Holiness agrees and blesses him to do?

There is only one logical conclusion as this statement has mentioned below that Peljor is definitely paid to do so.

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I own a dog so I can speak on behalf of all dog owners. No man. Doesn't work that way. You don't get to talk and represent the Dalai Lama...unless those rumours of you being paid by the Tibetan leadership really are true? :o

This is why he contradicts himself so much and has double standards for everything. Everything he says must be taken with a pinch of salt. He really needs to get his story right. First, he defends HH the Dalai Lama and the tradition and basically agree to sexual misconduct in a monastery, yet he slams Sogyal in his blog for sexual misconduct??? Which one is it Peljor? Very confusing.

And if he did considered HH his Guru and/boss, then why does he not apply what HH the Dalai Lama says about not abusing and attacking others even if they were Shugden practitioners and to show compassion?
Then why does he slams Sogyal who is strongly supported by HH the Dalai Lama? He cannot seem to stick to the subject he is supporting and be consistent in applying it simply because he is not truthful and sincere. Whatever reasons he gives, we can see the contradiction. [/size]
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Erstvollzug on June 30, 2017, 07:25:23 AM
Tenzin Peljor brings down the status of those who wear maroon and call themselves spiritual. Reading his comments, posts and thoughts brings anger to one's mind. This is no monk. But a judgemental, insecure person who has need of control and power.  :(
Why would we donate to such a person to support a kind of living that only damages others. Peljor should move to Thailand and stay away from the internet and stay in the forest to meditate and retreat. He needs serious spiritual practice now! He needs healing from all the hate he has accumulated in his life.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: michaela on June 30, 2017, 11:20:30 AM
Everytime I heard about Tenzin Peljor, it is always bad news. He left his teacher, and he criticized other Lamas to draw attention to himself. He does not care if as a consequence of his actions,  the Lamas' students begin to doubt their teacher. Now, he is portraying himself as the representative of the Dalai Lama. I never once heard Peljor conveying real Dharma to sooth people's mind as he makes sure that he thrives in the midst of controversy.

Although you are only a wicked person in monk costume, you better examine your mind as a normal human being. Until you have a conscience, you should just shut your mouth. Take off your monk costume because Halloween is over.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Lawrence L on June 30, 2017, 02:40:00 PM
Tenzin Peljor always contradicting himself. Now I know not only he is busy maintaining his website to criticize Lamas and Dorje Shugden(in particularly) to get his monthly salary, he also busy contradicting himself.

If Tenzin Peljor criticizes Sogyal Rinpoche so much, it must be that he hates and disagrees with sexual abuse/sexual misconduct so much, but why defending sexual abuse this time? Why Tenzin Peljor said nothing at all but solely debate against what other has brought up, and the issue mentioned by Sandra Mesrine is a potential problem and it is valid. If Tenzin Peljor is a pure monk that practices Buddhadharma sincerely, he would have the quality of The 4 Immeasurable, that no bias should be practiced.

In this degenerate time, it is in fact easier to see who is real practitioner and who is not. Tenzin Peljor's motive is obvious - he is a career monk, that wear robes but does all the things a sangha should avoid.

I am not a sangha but just a lay practitioner. I hold my refuge vows and one of my vows is never say words to hurt others. I am sure the sangha vows has the same, but Tenzin Peljor obviously done the opposite. The worst is, he still uses his robes, his sangha "status" to build "credibility" to put down Lamas and Dorje Shugden practitioners. He is a political monks. I am sad to say so but this is the truth. His actions speak this well.

Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Lawrence L on June 30, 2017, 02:51:36 PM
oh! One more example of Tenzin Peljor busy contradicting himself. Since the very beginning, he contradicted himself. I guess his main practice is "contradicting oneself".

He contradicted his Dorje Shugden belief and left his old Guru Ven. Geshe Kelsang for H.H. Dalai Lama. Well, a picture paints a thousand words. Let the picture speaks. Interesting to know tho.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on June 30, 2017, 03:49:17 PM
“Peljor” is a close associate of Ringu “tulku”, a confessed recipient of George Soros' money. His political views without exception are aligned with those of the terrorism-supporting Abrahamic financier.

“Peljor” does not declare the source of the money supporting his websites and propagandistic initiatives, which means that it is necessarily dirty money, such as Soros or Tsadra Foundation money.

He is not intent on sincere debate, but solely on mercenary political propaganda. Quoting and refuting the idiot is the action of another idiot. Please let's not conspurcate this website with such a foolish activity.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: DharmaDefender on June 30, 2017, 04:57:13 PM
“Peljor” is a close associate of Ringu “tulku”, a confessed recipient of George Soros' money. His political views without exception are aligned with those of the terrorism-supporting Abrahamic financier.

“Peljor” does not declare the source of the money supporting his websites and propagandistic initiatives, which means that it is necessarily dirty money, such as Soros or Tsadra Foundation money.

He is not intent on sincere debate, but solely on mercenary political propaganda. Quoting and refuting the idiot is the action of another idiot. Please let's not conspurcate this website with such a foolish activity.

No one forced you to read the thread or make a comment. People discuss what they like. So if you prefer to discuss other topics, feel free to start your own discussion thread ;) but thanks for the additional info about Peljor and Ringu mate. Did not know about that and yeah your right, he doesnt declare the source of his money. Maybe Ringu is in cahoots and is financially supportive of his activities. That would be disturbing if proven true.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Brian Little on June 30, 2017, 05:17:49 PM
The more i read of Tenzin Peljor's comments and things people say about his action, the more i got put off by his actions. He should not be wearing that robe of his anymore while he still doesn't seems to stop doing all actions that monks should be avoiding of doing. I am also wondering why he left his Guru Geshe Kelsang Gyatso and 'switched' his allegiance from practising Dorje Shugden to hating Dorje Shugden.

There are evidences that actually accounts Dorje Shugden to be genuine and the ban on Dorje Shugden is totally unnecessary because the reasoning behind the ban is very debatable; the most funny one being practising Dorje Shugden can shorten HH Dalai Lama's life (HH is well into His 80s) and Dorje Shugden is a spirit (Dorje Shugden wasn't accused of this before 1996 and already been practised by HH Dalai Lama before this... and of course, the prayers to Dorje Shugden was also composed by the 5th Dalai Lama). 

Why would Tenzin Peljor believe into all that? Did he did that on purpose all because of money?? He even criticised Sogyal Rinpoche and defended sexual abuse. Other than just looking like a monk in an outfit, he doesn't really behave like one certainly. One would really questions his motivation and we don't even need to go into the things that he writes in his website. Shameful. Maybe he should just keep quiet.


Tenzin Peljor always contradicting himself. Now I know not only he is busy maintaining his website to criticize Lamas and Dorje Shugden(in particularly) to get his monthly salary, he also busy contradicting himself.

If Tenzin Peljor criticizes Sogyal Rinpoche so much, it must be that he hates and disagrees with sexual abuse/sexual misconduct so much, but why defending sexual abuse this time? Why Tenzin Peljor said nothing at all but solely debate against what other has brought up, and the issue mentioned by Sandra Mesrine is a potential problem and it is valid. If Tenzin Peljor is a pure monk that practices Buddhadharma sincerely, he would have the quality of The 4 Immeasurable, that no bias should be practiced.

In this degenerate time, it is in fact easier to see who is real practitioner and who is not. Tenzin Peljor's motive is obvious - he is a career monk, that wear robes but does all the things a sangha should avoid.

I am not a sangha but just a lay practitioner. I hold my refuge vows and one of my vows is never say words to hurt others. I am sure the sangha vows has the same, but Tenzin Peljor obviously done the opposite. The worst is, he still uses his robes, his sangha "status" to build "credibility" to put down Lamas and Dorje Shugden practitioners. He is a political monks. I am sad to say so but this is the truth. His actions speak this well.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 01, 2017, 12:27:36 AM
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No one forced you to read the thread or make a comment.

If so, why did you feel forced to read my own comment on this thread?

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People discuss what they like.

If so, why do you want to forbid me to discuss what I like?

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So if you prefer to discuss other topics, feel free to start your own discussion thread ;)

If so, why did you give an answer to my comment on this thread, instead of starting your own thread?

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but thanks for the additional info about Peljor and Ringu mate. Did not know about that and yeah your right, he doesnt declare the source of his money. Maybe Ringu is in cahoots and is financially supportive of his activities. That would be disturbing if proven true.

Peljor's mentor Ringu “tulku” is himself a small fish, eating out of George Soros' hands via the latter's Shugden-hating Tsadra Foundation.

If you check Peljor's website at http://tenzinpeljor.de (http://tenzinpeljor.de), on the homepage's bottom right, you will see that several of his supported projects (“Unterstütze Projekte”) are CIA-approved, George Soros-funded pseudo-humantarian, actually terrorism supporting organizations, such as Médecins Sans Frontières and Amnesty International, and Western anti-China political propaganda outlets such as TibetInfoNet.

Therefore, dear friends, far from dealing with a sincere although misguided monk who might be accessible to logical arguments, or who might rethink his misbehavior in the light of Buddhist teachings, we are dealing here with a professional agitator, a paid provocator, and mercenary propagandizer, merely transvestite as monk, under the service and stipend of an international criminal terrorist ring.

It's all about China, dear friends. It's all about the great geopolitical game which involves the rise of a superpower, China, and the fall of another, the US, together with the replacement of the perverse, Abrahamic privately-owned, debt-based, dollar-enslaved, and human-enslaving financial system with another, more humanistic, social, political, and economic system as heralded by Buddhist-influenced China.

Tibet is essential for China's security; Buddhism is essential for Tibetan society; Gelugpas are essential for Tibetan Buddhism; and Dorje Shugden is essential for Gelugpas. Therefore, Western greedy imperialists see an absolute need to attack and destroy anything Dorje Shugden in order to ensure Western control over Gelugpas, over Tibetan Buddhism, over Tibet, and ultimately over China itself.

In this game, the current evil dalie lame is a puppet, as a puppet already was the previous, 13th evil dalie lame. Both were and are hostile to the great and glorious Pabhonkga Rinpoche, because he protected the integrity of the Gelugpa lineage, and because his close disciple, the Chinese patriotic warrior Liu Wenhui, destroyed Western-controlled opium routes into China through Nyingma and Rimeypa-controlled areas.

Since the 18th century, Abrahamist drug dealers such as the Jewish opium trader David Sassoon try to destroy China, its people, and Buddhism; and the Western-waged opium wars effectively destroyed and razed immense Buddhists treasuries such as Beijing's Summer Palace together with its hundreds of Buddhist temples, erected and maintained by emanations of Dorje Shugden such as the Qing Emperors.

Coming back to “Peljor”, the salariated agitator will keep performing his paid job of disparaging anything Dorje Shugden; as the evil dalie will keep waging his war against Shugdenpas, and promoting gruesome self-immolations, racist riots, and anti-China separatism; and as the financial terrorist George Soros will keep paying the salaries of both, and of the likes of Ringu “tulku” through is Tsadra Foundation.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: DharmaSpace on July 01, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
On one hand Tenzin Peljor says Sogyal Rinpoche is abusing young women, on the other hand when it is in relation to His Holiness the Dalai Lama'a words, he is right up there deflecting and trying to ensure the Dalai Lama's words are cannot be brought to disrepute.

Yes I do think Tenzin Peljor is being very very selective and right up there to defending sexual abuse. 

Hope he will put more effort to practicing the dharma, bringing the dharma to others, rather than selectively attacking groups of people that he finds unacceptable to his ideals and logic. 
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Brian Little on July 02, 2017, 04:36:32 AM
I wonder why he left Geshe Kelsang Gyatso's camp. He went out protesting against the Dalai Lama in the early days and now he is following Dalai Lama. Haven't he read or seen enough of Dorje Shugden's solid proof?

oh! One more example of Tenzin Peljor busy contradicting himself. Since the very beginning, he contradicted himself. I guess his main practice is "contradicting oneself".

He contradicted his Dorje Shugden belief and left his old Guru Ven. Geshe Kelsang for H.H. Dalai Lama. Well, a picture paints a thousand words. Let the picture speaks. Interesting to know tho.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 02, 2017, 05:25:32 AM
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On one hand Tenzin Peljor says Sogyal Rinpoche is abusing young women, on the other hand when it is in relation to His Holiness the Dalai Lama'a words, he is right up there deflecting and trying to ensure the Dalai Lama's words are cannot be brought to disrepute.

Some so-called Shugdenpas do the same; they even subserviently call the evil dalie “His Holiness”. Such “Shugdenpas” are not better than Peljor.

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Hope he will put more effort to practicing the dharma, bringing the dharma to others, rather than selectively attacking groups of people that he finds unacceptable to his ideals and logic.

He would simply be fired and replaced by someone else. He's just a Soros agent.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: vajratruth on July 02, 2017, 09:21:59 AM
I wonder why he left Geshe Kelsang Gyatso's camp. He went out protesting against the Dalai Lama in the early days and now he is following Dalai Lama. Haven't he read or seen enough of Dorje Shugden's solid proof?

oh! One more example of Tenzin Peljor busy contradicting himself. Since the very beginning, he contradicted himself. I guess his main practice is "contradicting oneself".

He contradicted his Dorje Shugden belief and left his old Guru Ven. Geshe Kelsang for H.H. Dalai Lama. Well, a picture paints a thousand words. Let the picture speaks. Interesting to know tho.

Michael Jäkel who tricks people by using a monk name is loyal only to himself and is only driven by what serves him, not the dharma. You see this in all his activities, which focusses on 2 things - (i) how to get seen being with a famous lama and (ii) how to stand out by pulling others down. What he has is a little bit of knowledge but zero practice and so he attracts those similar to him such as Carol McQuire.

Jäkel would have problems fitting in and finding success in the secular world. He would be a total nobody and he knows it. Wearing robes and appearing to be a monk allows him to hide his inadequacies to those who are not aware and gains him instant respect to many who assume that all monks are good.

It is foolish of Jäkel to assume that he can go on hurting so many people and no expect results.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: kris on July 02, 2017, 03:19:34 PM
I visit Peljor's Facebook page, and I am quite surprise as to what I see. Wearing a maroon robe, but his posting on Facebook is nothing near what a sangha member should be behaving. Is this what sangha members have degenerated these days? Is this how ineffective of Buddha's teachings these days? Why is HH Dalai Lama's so-called students are behaving as such? Is this normal for HH Dalai Lama's students behavior these days?

Should I lose faith in sangha after seeing how Peljor behave?
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Big Uncle on July 02, 2017, 09:41:11 PM
On one hand Tenzin Peljor says Sogyal Rinpoche is abusing young women, on the other hand when it is in relation to His Holiness the Dalai Lama'a words, he is right up there deflecting and trying to ensure the Dalai Lama's words are cannot be brought to disrepute.

Yes I do think Tenzin Peljor is being very very selective and right up there to defending sexual abuse. 

Hope he will put more effort to practicing the dharma, bringing the dharma to others, rather than selectively attacking groups of people that he finds unacceptable to his ideals and logic.

That is the whole point, Tenzin Peljor is selective and often prefers controversial Dharma to real Dharma. He prefers to talk about controversial teachers rather than genuine Dharma teachers. He only talks about the misconduct of various teachers but never the teachings of real teachers. The only teacher that is close to being genuine that Tenzin Peljor likes is the Dalai Lama and you will not find him discussing the teachings of the Dalai Lama rather, he would talk about the controversial statements the Dalai Lama made. SO, you can  see where his true interests lie and that does not go well with his maroon robes.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 03, 2017, 12:06:40 AM
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That is the whole point, Tenzin Peljor is selective and often prefers controversial Dharma to real Dharma.

Gossip is no “controversial” Dharma; it's no Dharma at all.

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He prefers to talk about controversial teachers rather than genuine Dharma teachers.

Wrong. He talks about perfectly genuine teachers, such as the previous Pabhongka and Trijang Rinpoches, the current Trijang Rinpoche, and Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, and tries to stir controversy about them.

This does not make such genuine teachers “controversial”, specially as opposed to “genuine”. They are not “controversial”, because the controversy around them is just artificially created by their opponents.

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He only talks about the misconduct of various teachers but never the teachings of real teachers. The only teacher that is close to being genuine that Tenzin Peljor likes is the Dalai Lama and you will not find him discussing the teachings of the Dalai Lama

In this Peljor is right. It is difficult, if not impossible, to find any teaching given by the evil dalie. Indeed, everything uttered by the evil dalie is just dirty politics, or tainted by politics, or motivated by politics.

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rather, he would talk about the controversial statements the Dalai Lama made.

This is what some of us do here as well; therefore it would hypocritical to criticize Peljor on this basis.

Now, of course, Peljor tries to defend the evil dalie's controversial statements, because both Peljor and the evil dalie are merely salariated agents of Western anti-China propaganda, which is obviously a difficult point for you to understand.

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SO, you can  see where his true interests lie and that does not go well with his maroon robes.

This is what China says for some 60 years about Peljor's model, the evil dalie, and which you might see as mere “Chinese propaganda”, since according to you, apart from the Shugden issue, everything seems to fine with the unconscionable criminal.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 03, 2017, 12:09:16 AM
[...] everything seems to be fine with the unconscionable criminal.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Rowntree on July 03, 2017, 02:37:26 AM
The whole purpose of practising Buddhism is to be more aligned with our thoughts, speech, and action. Wearing the Buddha Shakyamuni robes, a monk or nun is supposed to be vigilant in training himself or herself to exuberate the Buddha teaching more obviously, if not perfectly. Throughout the process, a monk or nun are expected to train themselves even more so that they are aligned with what the robes represent.

People ordain for various reasons and unfortunately, most are for the wrong reasons, such as Tenzin Peljor. His was originally ordained in NKT and then he left NKT and went with a female teacher who was originally from NKT. Talk about the runaway bride who did so solely for selfish reasons. What kind of teacher was his previous teacher who left her own teacher and take the teacher's student with her? They must not learn about Milarepa's story and definitely no idea what 50 verses of Guru Devotion's teachings are about. This is the teaching that is being a must read and must practise in the Gelug tradition which do not recommend teacher hoping which Peljor obviously enjoy for the past decade.

In addition to that, he disrobe and ordain again for few times all for the wrong reasons suspecting he is flippant in his mind whether to settle as a monk for a career and pursue his soap opera (opsh, where is the soap). Having his look and height, it is very difficult to survive in the queen scene which is logical why she, I mean he, chooses to be a monk instead. Peljor has figured out that wearing the monk robes as a drag costume is much more effective for him since it provides free food, free abode, free respect, free everything as long as she pretends to be a goodie he.

I am just so sick and tired of him pretending to be the police when he himself does not follow the rules. It is like a police that command respect with full uniform but receive bribes (receive payment from CTA), sell high profile cases information (spy for CTA), complaining about life and other inspectors (all the content on his blog and FB) for not following the rules. This kind of people is the mara that kills the Buddha's teachings and it is very detrimental for the lineage. I would play the police in return to expose his ugliness in hope that he will stopped all his negativities before he creates more negative karma for qualifying to be a permanent resident in hell.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: DharmaDefender on July 04, 2017, 02:50:00 AM
I visit Peljor's Facebook page, and I am quite surprise as to what I see. Wearing a maroon robe, but his posting on Facebook is nothing near what a sangha member should be behaving. Is this what sangha members have degenerated these days? Is this how ineffective of Buddha's teachings these days? Why is HH Dalai Lama's so-called students are behaving as such? Is this normal for HH Dalai Lama's students behavior these days?

Should I lose faith in sangha after seeing how Peljor behave?

Fortunately there are still plenty of good examples but they are dwindling. But I can see how the Buddhas predictions are coming true. Dharma will be destroyed not by external forces, but by internal ones that is the Buddhists themselves. Its already started when youve monks like Peljor running around in robes and instigating backchat and schism in the sangha about how people are watching porn in the Dalai Lamas
monastery just below his window? Just think about it. He posted up a Facebook status and it led to all sorts of chat about how monks are engaging in sexual abuse? Its pretty clear to see that Peljors actions arent guided by the vinaya because they never result in good things, and only bring about problems, destruction, gossip and negative chatter.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Brian Little on July 04, 2017, 04:32:53 PM
I wonder why he left Geshe Kelsang Gyatso's camp. He went out protesting against the Dalai Lama in the early days and now he is following Dalai Lama. Haven't he read or seen enough of Dorje Shugden's solid proof?

oh! One more example of Tenzin Peljor busy contradicting himself. Since the very beginning, he contradicted himself. I guess his main practice is "contradicting oneself".

He contradicted his Dorje Shugden belief and left his old Guru Ven. Geshe Kelsang for H.H. Dalai Lama. Well, a picture paints a thousand words. Let the picture speaks. Interesting to know tho.

Michael Jäkel who tricks people by using a monk name is loyal only to himself and is only driven by what serves him, not the dharma. You see this in all his activities, which focusses on 2 things - (i) how to get seen being with a famous lama and (ii) how to stand out by pulling others down. What he has is a little bit of knowledge but zero practice and so he attracts those similar to him such as Carol McQuire.

Jäkel would have problems fitting in and finding success in the secular world. He would be a total nobody and he knows it. Wearing robes and appearing to be a monk allows him to hide his inadequacies to those who are not aware and gains him instant respect to many who assume that all monks are good.

It is foolish of Jäkel to assume that he can go on hurting so many people and no expect results.


Then I supposed he is creating even heavier negative karma for himself for all his wrong doings walking around with a monk robe. Pretending himself to be very holy and claims always to be THE CORRECT ONE. Perhaps that is also the reason why it is easier for him to do all these "nonsense" as people who breaks Guru and Sangha vows but sadly he is bringing the Dharma down and stand to reap all the heavy karma he will reap.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Big Uncle on July 04, 2017, 09:05:54 PM
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That is the whole point, Tenzin Peljor is selective and often prefers controversial Dharma to real Dharma.

Gossip is no “controversial” Dharma; it's no Dharma at all.

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He prefers to talk about controversial teachers rather than genuine Dharma teachers.

Wrong. He talks about perfectly genuine teachers, such as the previous Pabhongka and Trijang Rinpoches, the current Trijang Rinpoche, and Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, and tries to stir controversy about them.

This does not make such genuine teachers “controversial”, specially as opposed to “genuine”. They are not “controversial”, because the controversy around them is just artificially created by their opponents.

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He only talks about the misconduct of various teachers but never the teachings of real teachers. The only teacher that is close to being genuine that Tenzin Peljor likes is the Dalai Lama and you will not find him discussing the teachings of the Dalai Lama

In this Peljor is right. It is difficult, if not impossible, to find any teaching given by the evil dalie. Indeed, everything uttered by the evil dalie is just dirty politics, or tainted by politics, or motivated by politics.

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rather, he would talk about the controversial statements the Dalai Lama made.

This is what some of us do here as well; therefore it would hypocritical to criticize Peljor on this basis.

Now, of course, Peljor tries to defend the evil dalie's controversial statements, because both Peljor and the evil dalie are merely salariated agents of Western anti-China propaganda, which is obviously a difficult point for you to understand.

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SO, you can  see where his true interests lie and that does not go well with his maroon robes.

This is what China says for some 60 years about Peljor's model, the evil dalie, and which you might see as mere “Chinese propaganda”, since according to you, apart from the Shugden issue, everything seems to fine with the unconscionable criminal.

I think when you split my message like that, you are misconstruing what I am trying to say. The message is simple and it basically echoes the original point of this thread anyway. Peljor revels in controversy all the time and in doing so, he courts trouble as he becomes hypocritical by criticizing a Lama who is clearly endorsed by the Dalai Lama himself. In doing this, he is effectively going against his lama. If you are in Vajrayana, you would understand the implication of this. This has got nothing to do with Shugden but this reveals the hypocritical nature of many anti-shugden proponents. That's all.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 05, 2017, 03:39:31 AM
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I think when you split my message like that, you are misconstruing what I am trying to say.

Since what you tried to say fell apart through analysis, what was “misconstrued” is what you tried to say, not such analysis.

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The message is simple and it basically echoes the original point of this thread anyway.

I don't care. My response was to your post, not to what you imagine to be “the original point of this thread”.

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Peljor revels in controversy all the time and in doing so, he courts trouble as he becomes hypocritical by criticizing a Lama who is clearly endorsed by the Dalai Lama himself.

Peljor is hypocritical here because he defends the evil dalie's silence about playboy Sogyal, not because he denounces playboy Sogyal.

Now, Peljor's denouncing playboy Sogyal while swearing loyalty to the evil dalie is an issue among mafiosi, which hardly concerns Dharma practitioners in general, let alone us here at dorjeshugden.com.

Indeed, showing concern with Peljor's supposed “hypocrisy” in his relationship with the evil dalie merely betrays an indecent wish to compete with Peljor for the evil dalie's favor.

This, unfortunately, is the attitude of many self-styled Shugdenpas, who feel excluded from the evil dalie's court, and would do just anything in order to regain his favor and be cozy with him again.

Therefore, much of the criticism against Peljor is actually motivated by an envy of Peljor's success in ensuring the evil dalie's support, even when ostensibly contradicting the evil dalie.

So the need is felt to criticize Peljor because he attacks an evil dalie's friend, the playboy Sogyal, but not because Peljor hypocritically defends the evil dalie's silence about playboy Sogyal.

Such self-styled Shugdenpas are as corrupt as Peljor, or as the evil dalie, or as any of the evil dalie's protegés such as playboy Sogyal; just corrupt court politicians fighting for the evil dalie's favor.

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In doing this, he is effectively going against his lama.

So what? Now you became the evil dalie's vajrayana police? Are you concerned with Peljor's loyalty towards the evil dalie? Do you want to protect the evil dalie from his treacherous followers?

Genuine Shugdenpas should be concerned with the purity of their own practice, not with court intrigues motivated by the indecent and servile wish to curry political favor with the evil dalie or whoever.

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If you are in Vajrayana, you would understand the implication of this.

I'm not in what you call “vajrayana”, which is just dirty mafia politics.

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This has got nothing to do with Shugden but this reveals the hypocritical nature of many anti-shugden proponents. That's all.

This has everything to do with Shugden, because it reveals that many self-styled Shugdenpas are only concerned with showing vassalage to the evil dalie rather than practicing Dharma.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Rowntree on July 05, 2017, 10:12:57 AM
The wrong image that Peljor consistently giving is real practice is not required, but packaging and schism are in order to become famous and garner followers in the most detrimental and wrong way. He is definitely the mara that the Buddha has predicted before the end of his life on how Buddhism will be destroyed and eventually disappear in the world. He is definitely a direct contributor and an extremely sinful one. It is really necessary for him to disrobe and help himself from generating more and more negative karma in driving people away from real dharma. I mean who would be inspired bu this kind of character?
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 05, 2017, 03:11:45 PM
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The wrong image that Peljor consistently giving is real practice is not required, but packaging and schism are in order to become famous and garner followers in the most detrimental and wrong way. He is definitely the mara that the Buddha has predicted before the end of his life on how Buddhism will be destroyed and eventually disappear in the world. He is definitely a direct contributor and an extremely sinful one. It is really necessary for him to disrobe and help himself from generating more and more negative karma in driving people away from real dharma. I mean who would be inspired bu this kind of character?

Right you are Ronwtree, and the fact that FPMT accepts and keeps Peljor as a member in Pomaia just shows how much Lama Zopa's organization became a nest of abomination, and a den of schism-promoting vow-breakers.

Now, one must understand that Peljor (just as the evil dalie) is nothing but an agent of the Abrahamist terrorist financier George Soros infiltrated into Buddhism in order to destroy it (in his case from the inside), as Kalachakra-prophesied mlecchas (Abrahamist barbarians, including Jews, Christians, and Muslims) are hell-bent on.

Indeed, Peljor is known as a Ringu “tulku” protegé, and Ringu is a brazen recipient of Soros money, being an employee of Soros' Shugden-hating Tsadra Foundation.

Besides, from Peljor's website itself (tenzinpeljor.de) one can see that his “Supported Projects” (“Unterstütze Projekte”) include several terrorism-supporting institutions heavily funded by Soros such as Amnesty International and Médecins Sans Frontières.

Médecins Sans Frontières is particularly known for its brazen association with the White Helmets and its support to Islamic State jihadist terrorism and propaganda in Syria, thus reflecting its sponsor George Soros' terrorism sponsorship. Please check here https://timhayward.wordpress.com/2016/12/30/truth-a-casualty-neglected-by-medicins-sans-frontieres-msf-in-syria/. (https://timhayward.wordpress.com/2016/12/30/truth-a-casualty-neglected-by-medicins-sans-frontieres-msf-in-syria/.)

Amnesty International is another well known supporter of Islamic terrorism and tyrannies, as one can see here https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9342/amnesty-international-tyrannies (https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9342/amnesty-international-tyrannies) or here https://www.rt.com/uk/312630-amnesty-international-muslim-brotherhood/, (https://www.rt.com/uk/312630-amnesty-international-muslim-brotherhood/,) everything perfectly in line with its sponsor George Soros terrorism-supporting policies.

Other among Peljor-supported “projects” include his mentor's Ringu's charity Rigul Trust, Ringu known, as above, as a Soros' employee via Shugden-hating Tsadra Foundation.

Another of Peljor's supported projects is the network or anti-China hate propaganda tibetinfonet.net, itself supported by Columbia University (https://hrwa.cul.columbia.edu/search/7038458 (https://hrwa.cul.columbia.edu/search/7038458)), itself funded by the puppet master George Soros (http://sorosfiles.com/soros/2011/10/the-trustees-of-columbia-university.html (http://sorosfiles.com/soros/2011/10/the-trustees-of-columbia-university.html)).

Again another among Peljor's “supported projects” is the racist The Tibetan Development Fund which in the ocean of poverty which is India proposes to bring selective “relief” (and Western money and anti-China indoctrination) only to Tibetans in India, ultimately aiming at fulfilling the evil dalie's wet dream of using ethnic Tibetans living in Himalaya regions outside China to create a “Himalayan anti-China army” under his leadership.

In other words, Peljor's systemic connections show that he is not acting alone; that he is a mere pawn with big money behind him; that he is just a professional agitator hired by Abrahamic big money, as represented by George Soros, in order to bring chaos and dissension among Buddhists, and therefore, as you say, to destroy Buddhism from the inside.

Indeed, why would Peljor, seen as a “Gelugpa monk” attack playboy Sogyal, seen as a “Nyingma lama” and an evil dalie's protegé, if not in order to create even more animosity between Nyingmapas and Gelugpas?

Let's listen to the words of the Hungarian patriotic leader Viktor Orbán, himself a valiant fighter against Soros' terrorism-supporting NGOs: “here is an important element in public life in Hungary which is not transparent and not open — and that is the Soros network, with its mafia-style operation and its agentlike organizations” (https://counterjihadreport.com/tag/george-soros/ (https://counterjihadreport.com/tag/george-soros/)).

Peljor, evil dalie, FPMT, Peljor's mentor Ringu “tulku”, Tsadra Foundation together with its “rimey” Shugden-haters, assorted racist Tibetan-recruiting “relief” organizations, all of these are or became nothing but pawns, or rather cancerigen cells, controlled by Abrahamic big money as represented by George Soros, and ultimately promoting the destruction of Buddhism from the inside as warned by the Buddha.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: DharmaDefender on July 05, 2017, 10:07:35 PM
Sad to say, but news like this is becoming more commonplace in the Catholic tradition and now youve even got the police doing raids.

Well Buddhisms not that innocent either, but sad to say we probably will never have this level of transparency, not when youve got 'monks' like Peljor who defend alleged sexual abuse :-\ could it be Peljors upbringing that compels him to behave like this? One can only wonder but with that in mind, and if you look at the people he hangs around with, you really have to wonder. Hes with Ringu whose best friends with Sogyal, whose got all sorts of abuse allegations against him. Then theres the business of Kalu and his sexual abuse in the monastery. Seriously, honestly, really what would Kalu think about Peljor defending this business of feeling up the younger monks?

When youve got 'monks' running about the monastery distributing porn or feeling up the younger monks, and other 'monks' on the Internet defending sexual abuse as a cultural thing, you wonder what the future of Buddhism really is.

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Vatican rocked: Police raid drug-fuelled gay orgy at cardinal's apartment
[url]http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11886097&ref=NZH_fb[/url] ([url]http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11886097&ref=NZH_fb[/url])

Vatican police have raided a cardinal's apartment where a drug-fuelled homosexual orgy was taking place.

Police entered an apartment at the former palace of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (or Holy Office) last month not far from the Vatican City.

The occupant of the apartment is alleged to be a priest who serves as a secretary to cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio, the head of the Pontifical Council for Legislative texts and a personal adviser to the Pope.

The allegations of the orgy were first published by newspaper Il Fatto Quotidiano.

According to the paper, neighbours became suspicious before complaining about irregular behaviour of those coming and going at the apartment.

When police showed up at the apartment, they reportedly found drugs and a group of men engaged in sexual activity.

The priest was then arrested and taken for questioning.

Il Fatto Quotidiano suggested that Pope Francis has been infuriated by the news and may force Coccopalmerio into retirement.

The incident is symptomatic of a difficult period for the Pope. Four years into his papacy the Catholic Church appears racked by conflict and scandal.

Critics blame the Pope's choice of personnel: cardinal George Pell, appointed to clean up the Vatican's murky finances, has taken a leave of absence to defend himself against sex abuse charges in Australia.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Pema8 on July 06, 2017, 08:18:39 PM
It is such a shame that a monk has nothing else to do than to gossip around instead of holding his vows and bringing it up in the monastery. What does he expect? Why would anyone do this? Is he paid for it or what could be his motive? Sure not protecting the Dharma!
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: DharmaDefender on July 06, 2017, 11:10:02 PM
It is such a shame that a monk has nothing else to do than to gossip around instead of holding his vows and bringing it up in the monastery. What does he expect? Why would anyone do this? Is he paid for it or what could be his motive? Sure not protecting the Dharma!

Your kind, referring to him as a 'monk'. I dont think anyone who instigates negative talk against the Dalai Lama, against Buddhism AND defends sexual abuse should be referred to as such.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: PrajNa on July 07, 2017, 12:42:01 AM
The wrong image that Peljor consistently giving is real practice is not required, but packaging and schism are in order to become famous and garner followers in the most detrimental and wrong way. He is definitely the mara that the Buddha has predicted before the end of his life on how Buddhism will be destroyed and eventually disappear in the world. He is definitely a direct contributor and an extremely sinful one. It is really necessary for him to disrobe and help himself from generating more and more negative karma in driving people away from real dharma. I mean who would be inspired bu this kind of character?

He is definitely what you said. Anything to become famous. I heard rumours that he is considering to join FPMT after he completed his studies. After all, FPMT is bigger and more famous than his current teacher and centre.

On his facebook he praises His Holiness the Dalai Lama, then on his website he creates doubt in people's mind and faith by questioning why His Holiness the Dalai Lama didn't say anything about Sogyal Rinpoche although "The Dalai Lama and his office know about his long term misconduct". By saying that, he is actually saying that His Holiness the Dalai Lama knows about the misconduct but decided to keep quiet about the matter. Is he implying that His Holiness the Dalai Lama is a person who will keep a blind eye and defend someone who does sexual abuse?

Tell me what's his purpose of continuously bashing Sogyal Rinpoche (calling him Sogyal Lakar!) if not to get more views for his poorly-visited website.

If he really thinks he is doing everyone a favour by exposing these controversial teachers, he should do one on himself! He is such a controversy and a major figure in creating schism among Sangha  8)

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Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Gabby Potter on July 07, 2017, 04:36:20 AM
What kind of monk would defend sexual abuse against children? Let's not even mention it's within the monastery ground. No matter how much one knows about the dharma or how learned they are, sexual abuse is WRONG! No matter it's from spiritual or secular point of view, it is still wrong! Who on earth who defend such violence? Of course, only Peljor. I hope he realises how ignorant he sounds... Choose your friends wisely people, you know you have to stay away from that person when he or she defends for matters like this.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 07, 2017, 08:02:45 AM
If one goes through Peljor's statements, the answer is no, nowhere is Peljor defending sexual abuse, not even a hint of it. No one could quote a single statement proving it.

On the other hand, the same people claiming that Peljor is defending sexual abuse also try to defend playboy Sogyal misbehavior, and therefore are themselves defending sexual abuse.

The explanation is simple: such people are angry with Peljor, because Peljor (so unfairly, by the way) attacked their Shugden lama, Tsem Tulku Rinpoche, besides attacking playboy Sogyal.

Such people identified with playboy Sogyal, also attacked by Peljor, and therefore try to defend playboy Sogyal. Also, such people want to find fault in just anything Peljor says or does.

This is the weakness of such misguided Shugdenpas. Instead of criticizing Peljor where he is wrong, and because he is wrong, they just want to say bad things about Peljor, even without any evidence.

Even worse, such “Shugdenpas” make dirty politics, trying to find allies with playboy Sogyal, himself a supporter of the evil dalie and of the anti-Shugden ban.

Therefore, this thread is a shame. Peljor, as dirty as he is, nowhere defends sexual abuse, and childish fanboys and fangirls of Tsem Tulku do defend sexual abuse, when they support playboy Sogyal.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Namdrol on July 08, 2017, 12:03:23 AM
Peljor, if hr is a good monk and REAL monk who holds vows, should not be setting up website discussing and fanning all the controversies about Buddhism and instigating politics. Peljor should be practicing the Dharma and not become the self-proclaimed "police" of Buddhism, nobody made him one, and he himself as a monk is very bad to make himself become one instead on focusing on his practice and learning. 

Matibhadra, you should not be defending Peljor at all if you really holds him in high regards, a real monk should not be doing all those things that Peljor is doing. The fact that you are defending Peljor shows that you do not understand the true essence of becoming a sangha and hold vows.

You are encouraging Peljor's action of playing politics and not studying and practicing the Dharma. Peljor is a shame of sangha and you are encouraging it, that says a lot about you as well.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 08, 2017, 02:29:40 AM
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Matibhadra, you should not be defending Peljor at all

Of course I should. Peljor, just like anyone else, deserves to be defended when attacked for the wrong reasons.

And those who criticize Peljor for the wrong reasons manage to be even worse than Peljor.

But you are worse than both Peljor and his wrong critics, because you assert that there are people that cannot be defended at all, even when they are unjustly attacked. Therefore, you are no Buddhist at all.

In case, Peljor is criticized from the start of this thread for supposedly “defending sexual abuse”. However, no one has produced even one comma of evidence showing this to be the case.

Rather, just what we see here are complaints like yours, that Peljor attacks lama A or B, but no evidence at all that he “defends sexual abuse”.

What happens is that Peljor (unjustly) attacks Tsem Tulku, as he also (with good reasons) attacks the infamous playboy Sogyal. However, their respective fanboys and fangirls, instead of defending their teachers, resort to cheap slander, ascribing to Peljor what he did not do, to wit, to defend sexual abuse.

Even worse, such fanboys and fangirls even go to the extreme of defending the infamous playboy Sogyal, and therefore incur the very fault they ascribe to Peljor, to wit, to defend sexual abuse.

But you manage to be shamefully even worse than all of them together, because you want people condemned for the wrong reasons, and without the mere possibility of defense, as when you arrogantly belch “Matibhadra, you should not be defending Peljor at all”.

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if you really holds him in high regards,

How I personally hold Peljor is immaterial, because what is at stake are his actions, not his personality.

And, since no evidence has been produced that Peljor defends sexual abuse, who deserves condemnation are only those who unjustly attack him on this basis, including you.

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a real monk should not be doing all those things that Peljor is doing.

Whatever Peljor is doing, he cannot be condemned for that which he is not doing, such as “defending sexual abuse”.

Now, whether a monk or not, the fact remains that you are attacking someone without evidence, and even trying to prevent anyone from defending your victim, which is a measure of your irrationality and fanaticism.

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The fact that you are defending Peljor shows that you do not understand the true essence of becoming a sangha and hold vows.

Which means that, according to your own idiotic version, the “true essence of becoming a Sangha and holding vows” is to slander others without evidence, right? From which guru did you learn it?

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You are encouraging Peljor's action of playing politics and not studying and practicing the Dharma.

Then according to you falsely accusing others without any evidence is an “encouragement to study and practice Dharma”, right?

However, why would you and Tsem Tulku's fanboys and fangirls behave so shamefully?

The only possible answer is your and their dirty wish to make politics, whence the defense of the infamous playboy Sogyal, just because he too was attacked by Peljor, and on the basis of very sound reasons by the way.

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Peljor is a shame of sangha

Maybe, but not for the slanderous accusation of “defending sexual abuse”, and not worse than slanderers like you anyway.

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and you are encouraging it,

Actually I'm not encouraging Peljor to do anything; rather, I'm just encouraging his slanderers such as you not be be even worse than him.

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that says a lot about you as well.

Of course. It says that I'm teaching you what you should have learned from your teachers, if they are worth this name anyway.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: dsnowlion on July 08, 2017, 09:53:14 AM

He is definitely what you said. Anything to become famous. I heard rumours that he is considering to join FPMT after he completed his studies. After all, FPMT is bigger and more famous than his current teacher and centre.

On his facebook he praises His Holiness the Dalai Lama, then on his website he creates doubt in people's mind and faith by questioning why His Holiness the Dalai Lama didn't say anything about Sogyal Rinpoche although "The Dalai Lama and his office know about his long term misconduct". By saying that, he is actually saying that His Holiness the Dalai Lama knows about the misconduct but decided to keep quiet about the matter. Is he implying that His Holiness the Dalai Lama is a person who will keep a blind eye and defend someone who does sexual abuse?

Tell me what's his purpose of continuously bashing Sogyal Rinpoche (calling him Sogyal Lakar!) if not to get more views for his poorly-visited website.

If he really thinks he is doing everyone a favour by exposing these controversial teachers, he should do one on himself! He is such a controversy and a major figure in creating schism among Sangha  8)

Prajna yes that statement he made definitely is insinuating and creating doubts in people's mind that Dalai Lama is at fault for being on Sogyal's side. And yes he is very weird to praise HH the Dalai Lama on one end and then try to create doubt in people's mind with this kind of message. It is not that he can or cannot comment, it is more of his INCONSISTENCY and how he talks about things that make people feel he is creating schism EVEN if what he is highlighting is the TRUTH. Because he as you have pointed out above.

There are skilful ways to do it and from what I learn from other monks, you don't ever engage in such activities (politics/gossip) and have websites dedicated to such activities or news, under your name! From criticising others, he is, in fact, encouraging people to criticise him because he is a monk, more people will observe and question his actions, like it or not. BUT the truth is I have not seen any sangha who is so active online policing other Lamas, Sogyal, Tsem Tulku, whatever.... you must either be a very "free" and have nothing to do, which is strange as a monk, you suppose to be teaching or doing Dharma work? Or you are a fake sangha that likes controversy and politics and being paid to stir s***???

It is not that he has no right to question the Dalai Lama, it is the DOUBLE STANDARDS he is has and how he CONTRADICTS himself. Why does he support the Dalai Lama, and now try to plant negative seeds in people minds? That is the part I am not alright with, that makes me doubt every word he says. And his defence on sexual abuse while condemning Sogyal for sexual abuse? Another contradiction.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 08, 2017, 01:19:31 PM
Whatever transvestite monk Peljor does, the transvestite monk evil dalie (and infamous playboy Sogyal) do much worse.

However, fanboys and fangirls of Tsem Tulku and of infamous playboy Sogyal criticize Peljor, while showing servile subservience to the evil dalie (and to infamous playboy Sogyal), thus showing their own political motivation and ugly double standards.

Those who criticize Peljor but save the face of the evil dalie (and of infamous playboy Sogyal) are nothing but coward politicians, and slanderers trying to divert attention from the evildoings of their own cult leaders.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 08, 2017, 04:33:15 PM
Actually, the title of this thread should be “Infamous playboy Sogyal's minions infiltrated into this website attack Peljor in order to defend their cult leader's sexual abuse”.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: DharmaDefender on July 08, 2017, 10:40:30 PM
Actually, the title of this thread should be “Infamous playboy Sogyal's minions infiltrated into this website attack Peljor in order to defend their cult leader's sexual abuse”.

If your not a fan of whats discussed here, move along. Dont recall signing up to this forum being a mandatory exercise!
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: DharmaDefender on July 08, 2017, 10:52:02 PM
Peljor, if hr is a good monk and REAL monk who holds vows, should not be setting up website discussing and fanning all the controversies about Buddhism and instigating politics. Peljor should be practicing the Dharma and not become the self-proclaimed "police" of Buddhism, nobody made him one, and he himself as a monk is very bad to make himself become one instead on focusing on his practice and learning. 

Matibhadra, you should not be defending Peljor at all if you really holds him in high regards, a real monk should not be doing all those things that Peljor is doing. The fact that you are defending Peljor shows that you do not understand the true essence of becoming a sangha and hold vows.

You are encouraging Peljor's action of playing politics and not studying and practicing the Dharma. Peljor is a shame of sangha and you are encouraging it, that says a lot about you as well.

Dont bother with Matibhadra, seriously. Hes got some sort of vendetta against Sogyal, involving the fellas name when this threads not even focused on him. If hes so concerned about bloomin Sogyal, then start up a thread and run a discussion about it. Lets see how far that gets you, talking about a lama thats not even from this lineage  ::) yeh so people want to discuss a Gelug 'monk' who initiates conversations that end up exposing Namgyal Monasterys sordid porn-distributing activities which the Dalai Lama does nowt about. Thats our perogative to talk this way and whats wrong?

Peljor starts up websites against Shugden people, runs Facebook groups against them, takes pictures of them and sends it off to his paymasters in Dharamsala, abandons his ordination master and whatnot... all of thats okay, nowt to be said about it BUT once talk starts up against him, Matibhadra comes out guns blazing? Is Matibhadra under Peljors thumb or summit, that he comes to the defence of someone who has made a career out of attacking up?

No, hes an odd fella getting upset when people talk about Peljor and ignoring his insistence we focus on Sogyal when the threads not even about Sogyal! The title of this threads clear enough for all to see. A discussion about Peljors defence of sexual abuse, or at the very least how he contributes to the culture of silence. Well keep talking about it and if people want to join in, its up to them. If they dont, perhaps they should move their discussion and pennies thoughts elsewhere.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Rowntree on July 08, 2017, 11:39:46 PM
You all know what is the saddest thing? We have endless negative things to talk about Peljor, endless perspective we can apply to highlight how bad he is as a monk or even a human being. He has no good qualities and it is difficult for him to has any as long as his focus is to hide behind the robes for selfish reasons.

A person like this shouldn't preach the dharma because the root and basis are rotten and sting. He is all three cups that are mention in HH Pabongkha Rinpoche's "The Liberation in the Palm of Your Hand" - contaminated, leaking, turned upside down. No real dharma has gone into him, if it has, he would not leave NKT in the first place. The selected Dharma that he has chosen to listen to are distorted according to his wrong view. The little dharma selected was in essence lost since he didn't listen with an open mind.

Peljor's behaviour, speech and thoughts are like that of the icchantika. The Buddha mentioned the Nirvana Sutra that the status of the icchantika is lower than that of ants. “One may well kill an ant and earn sin for doing harm, but there is no sin for killing an icchantika.” This is how destructive Peljor is.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: dsnowlion on July 09, 2017, 01:56:55 PM
Peljor, if hr is a good monk and REAL monk who holds vows, should not be setting up website discussing and fanning all the controversies about Buddhism and instigating politics. Peljor should be practicing the Dharma and not become the self-proclaimed "police" of Buddhism, nobody made him one, and he himself as a monk is very bad to make himself become one instead on focusing on his practice and learning. 

Matibhadra, you should not be defending Peljor at all if you really holds him in high regards, a real monk should not be doing all those things that Peljor is doing. The fact that you are defending Peljor shows that you do not understand the true essence of becoming a sangha and hold vows.

You are encouraging Peljor's action of playing politics and not studying and practicing the Dharma. Peljor is a shame of sangha and you are encouraging it, that says a lot about you as well.


Dont bother with Matibhadra, seriously. Hes got some sort of vendetta against Sogyal, involving the fellas name when this threads not even focused on him. If hes so concerned about bloomin Sogyal, then start up a thread and run a discussion about it. Lets see how far that gets you, talking about a lama thats not even from this lineage  ::) yeh so people want to discuss a Gelug 'monk' who initiates conversations that end up exposing Namgyal Monasterys sordid porn-distributing activities which the Dalai Lama does nowt about. Thats our perogative to talk this way and whats wrong?

Peljor starts up websites against Shugden people, runs Facebook groups against them, takes pictures of them and sends it off to his paymasters in Dharamsala, abandons his ordination master and whatnot... all of thats okay, nowt to be said about it BUT once talk starts up against him, Matibhadra comes out guns blazing? Is Matibhadra under Peljors thumb or summit, that he comes to the defence of someone who has made a career out of attacking up?

No, hes an odd fella getting upset when people talk about Peljor and ignoring his insistence we focus on Sogyal when the threads not even about Sogyal! The title of this threads clear enough for all to see. A discussion about Peljors defence of sexual abuse, or at the very least how he contributes to the culture of silence. Well keep talking about it and if people want to join in, its up to them. If they dont, perhaps they should move their discussion and pennies thoughts elsewhere.


Completely AGREE... IGNORE Miti... he has some serious issues about expecting the world to accept his point of view and if they don't, everyone is wrong except him. A double standard calling others double standard? So let us just move along and don't get sucked into giving him the attention he seeks.

Dharma Defender you brought up a good point I forgot that Peljor was taking pictures of Shugden protestors and reporting it back to the CTA whereby next thing we know their name and pictures got published! Here is the article I managed to find that was posted here long time ago... http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/tibetan-leadership-publishes-hit-list/

So this is why I do agree and believe when people say Peljor is definitely paid by CTA/Dalai Lama. So it makes me wonder why he is suddenly trying to create schism and plant doubt in people's mind about Dalai Lama. What did he not get his pay cheque or something? I smell something fishy here.

As for defending sexual abuse, you would only defend such things if you had role to play in it because monks do not condone or try to even slightly give any excuse for such sensitive matters. The fact that he said something makes all the red flags go up!!! 
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 10, 2017, 04:46:25 AM
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Dont bother with Matibhadra, seriously. Hes got some sort of vendetta against Sogyal, involving the fellas name when this threads not even focused on him.

Wrong. This thread was started as a cheap vendetta against Peljor, precisely because he denounced infamous playboy Sogyal. Therefore, the focus of this thread is only infamous playboy Sogyal.

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If hes so concerned about bloomin Sogyal,

Who is concerned with infamous playboy Sogyal are just those who unjustly accuse Peljor, in order to deflect attention from infamous playboy Sogyal.

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then start up a thread and run a discussion about it.

The thread has already been started as an attempt to deflect attention from infamous playboy Sogyal to Peljor, and this wicked attempt is precisely what is being discussed here.

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Lets see how far that gets you, talking about a lama thats not even from this lineage  ::)

I could not care less about infamous playboy Sogyal's “lineage”. But since people like you unjustly attack Peljor in order to deflect attention from infamous playboy Sogyal, this is a good topic to discuss.

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yeh so people want to discuss a Gelug 'monk' who initiates conversations that end up exposing Namgyal Monasterys sordid porn-distributing activities

Please show exactly where have you seen any evidence of “Namgyal Monasterys sordid porn-distributing activities”, so that we can compare it with the available evidence of infamous playboy Sogyal's sexual abuse and see what is more compelling.

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which the Dalai Lama does nowt about.

Why should the evil dalie not know about “Namgyal Monasterys sordid porn-distributing activities”, if according to you it is so evident?

Besides, why should the evil dalie know less than Peljor about his own monastery?

You are obviously trying selectively to accuse Peljor while saving the face of the evil dalie, as you try to save the face of infamous playboy Sogyal.

And why do you attack Peljor? Because of his inummerable mistakes?

No! You attack Peljor precisely because of what he did not do (to defend sexual abuse) and because of what he did right (to expose infamous playboy Sogyal's history of sexual abuse).

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Thats our perogative to talk this way and whats wrong?

Go ahead with you “prerogative”. And what is wrong with showing your cheap agenda?

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Peljor starts up websites against Shugden people, runs Facebook groups against them, takes pictures of them and sends it off to his paymasters in Dharamsala, abandons his ordination master and whatnot... all of thats okay, nowt to be said about it

Had you read my posts, instead of idiotically talking about what you did not read, you would have seen that just the opposite is the case.

Indeed, no one has ever denounced Peljor as I have done on this website, and the reason is that I denounce Peljor in conjunction with his accepted authority, the evil dalie, while you and others denounce Peljor while hypocritically trying to save the face of the evil dalie.

You and others, just like Peljor, accept the evil dalie's authority, which shows that you and Peljor are not different, just servile minions of the evil dalie fighting each other for the attention and favors of your capo mafioso, the evil dalie.

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BUT once talk starts up against him, Matibhadra comes out guns blazing?

This is because my criticism of Peljor is of a different nature from yours.

I denounce Peljor for his mistakes, and together with his accepted authority, the evil dalie.

Meanwhile, you attack Peljor when he is right, and motivated by the servile wish to compete against Peljor for the evil dalie's favors.

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Is Matibhadra under Peljors thumb or summit, that he comes to the defence of someone who has made a career out of attacking up?

I would *love* to be attacked by Peljor! I have spent so much time writing so many posts criticizing Peljor on this very website, and till now nothing... You might start a petition asking Peljor to attack me and I'll be the first one to sign!

The reason why Peljor will never attack me is that he is afraid of my criticism, not of yours, just because my criticism hits the mark, shows his agenda, shows his connections, and shows the hierarchy to which he is subordinated, as opposed to your childish, cheap personal vendettas, which only show your subservience to the same authority served by Peljor, the evil dalie, and your wish to protect infamous playboy Sogyal.

You and Peljor are subordinated to the same authority, the evil dalie, which shows that your fight against him is just an infight among minions of the capo mafioso, the evil dalie, jealous of each other, crawling like worms for the favor of the evil dalie.

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No, hes an odd fella getting upset when people talk about Peljor and ignoring his insistence we focus on Sogyal when the threads not even about Sogyal!

Topic already discussed; you are just repeating yourself. Anyway, you got it: the thread is all about covering infamous playboy Sogyal (and of course the evil dalie) with silly accusations against Peljor.

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The title of this threads clear enough for all to see.

See, yes, that you want to cover infamous playboy Sogyal's record of sexual abuse childishly accusing his denouncer Peljor of the same, but without any evidence.

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A discussion about Peljors defence of sexual abuse,

How could anyone “discuss” what has never been shown to exist? Pretend that you have guts and show your evidence.

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or at the very least how he contributes to the culture of silence.

What a step back from your previous accusation!

Before you said that Peljor “defends sexual abuse”, but you could never show it.

Now you reduce your accusation to merely “contributing to a culture of silence”...

But then in this you are not better than him, just because you are a supporter of infamous playboy Sogyal and of Peljor's accepted authority, the evil criminal dalie, about whom you want the most absolute silence, right?

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Well keep talking about it and if people want to join in, its up to them. If they dont, perhaps they should move their discussion and pennies thoughts elsewhere.

Obviously it's *you* not wanting to talk about what matters, the infamous playboy Sogyal and the evil dalie, while hypocritically claiming to fight “the culture of silence” about sexual abuse and other crimes!
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 10, 2017, 05:01:50 AM
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Completely AGREE... IGNORE Miti...

You are asking others to do what you don't manage to do yourself!

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he has some serious issues about expecting the world to accept his point of view and if they don't, everyone is wrong except him.

Do you call yourself “the world” and “everyone”? You might be in need of psychological help!

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A double standard calling others double standard?

Show my “double standard”, please, instead of just belching about it.

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So let us just move along and don't get sucked into giving him the attention he seeks.

Right! Let's talk about your infantile jealousy of Peljor, who enjoys the favors of the evil dalie while you feel abandoned by him!
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 10, 2017, 05:08:05 AM
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Peljor's behaviour, speech and thoughts are like that of the icchantika. The Buddha mentioned the Nirvana Sutra that the status of the icchantika is lower than that of ants. “One may well kill an ant and earn sin for doing harm, but there is no sin for killing an icchantika.” This is how destructive Peljor is.

And still you support Peljor's accepted authority, the evil dalie, whose commands Peljor follows and who therefore is much worse than Peljor himself!
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 10, 2017, 05:25:09 AM
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The Buddha mentioned the Nirvana Sutra that the status of the icchantika is lower than that of ants. “One may well kill an ant and earn sin for doing harm, but there is no sin for killing an icchantika.”

By the way, this assertion that murdering someone is no unskilful action is in contradiction with every single teaching of the Buddha, and therefore, even if authentic, could not be taken literally.

Taking this assertion literally would bring Buddhism, the Dharma whose essence is compassion, or non-violence, to the same level of murderous ideologies such as Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: AshRao on July 10, 2017, 02:06:00 PM
It's quite obvious from the general consensus on this forum, and the fact that this Peljor's actions in the past have been hypocritical and down right not right, that he is not a good example of a monk. I remember what an old Tibetan man used to tell me, he said that the Buddha prophesied that the Dharma would not be destroyed from without (through wars, conflicts, influence of barbarism, etc) but from within. In that he meant that people who are supposed to be practicing Buddhism give it a bad name and corrupt it from the inside, like a bad rot. Peljor is part of this rot, and its devastating to see this happen.

He not only contradicts his gurus, and in the process belittling them, he defends sexual abuse which is barbaric in itself, and hurls hate towards others such as Dorje Shugden practitioners. What did we ever do to him? Even if someone did harm him, and that person happened to be a Dorje Shugden devotee it doesn't mean that he can label all Dorje Shugden devotees as bad. And all of his actions, thoughts that he shares is all about controversial topics, which means that he really just wants to be in the thick of it, where he is not needed or wanted. He just wants to get involved to make himself look better. That's all. And for him to do this being a monk, its stomach churning. What sort of monk behaves like this? I had many Tibetan monk friends, and most of them would always tell me that a monk needs to behave and act in a certain way, only then do they really become part of the sacred Sangha jewel. Unfortunately people like this Peljor pull the glory of the Sangha down in the eyes of others. I for one do not think less of the Sangha, but i could see why people would, if they take him as an example of what a monk should be.

It's sad and deplorable that the world has degenerated to such a position that people like Peljor can masquerade as monks, all the while only doing such negative deeds and worst of all defending the suffering caused to other through sexual abuse. It's disgusting.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 10, 2017, 04:52:30 PM
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It's quite obvious from the general consensus on this forum, and the fact that this Peljor's actions in the past have been hypocritical and down right not right, that he is not a good example of a monk.

Peljor's boss, the evil dalie, is a much worse example of a monk, and still a lot of people on this forum would die for him.

Therefore, the criticism directed at Peljor, while saving the face of his boss the evil dalie, is itself deceptive and  hypocritical.

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I remember what an old Tibetan man used to tell me, he said that the Buddha prophesied that the Dharma would not be destroyed from without (through wars, conflicts, influence of barbarism, etc) but from within.

The evil dalie is much more inside Dharma circles than Peljor. Why then to focus on outsider Peljor while allowing the mega-insider, the evil dalie, to get away with his crimes?

Now, Buddhism being destroyed from within does not mean that this internal destructive element is not controlled from without, just like a Trojan horse.

Indeed, the internal enemy of Buddhism, the evil dalie, is effectively controlled from the outside by his mleccha, barbarian Abrahamist puppet-master George Soros.

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In that he meant that people who are supposed to be practicing Buddhism give it a bad name and corrupt it from the inside, like a bad rot. Peljor is part of this rot, and its devastating to see this happen.

While Peljor is a small part of it, the biggest part is Peljor's boss the evil dalie, who keeps corrupting and giving a bad name to Buddhism under the orders of his own boss, the Abrahamist George Soros.

For instance, how many people had bad feelings about, and distanced themselves from Buddhism, thanks to the ugly witch-hunt waged by the evil dalie against Shugdenpas?

Also, how many people were disappointed with Buddhism seeing the “Buddhist insider”, the evil dalie, brazenly supporting the Islamic State, self-immolations, bloody racist riots, and so forth?

To many people, Buddhism, particularly Tibetan Buddhism, was equated to a dirty ecclesial political organization at the service of disgruntled ex-slave-owners and of Western greedy imperialists.

Also, Buddhism is destroyed from the inside by the many “Buddhists” supporting the supreme insider bad rot, the evil dalie.

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He not only contradicts his gurus, and in the process belittling them,


Talking about “contradicting and belittling gurus”, what about the evil dalie's brazenly contradicting and belittling his root gurus Ling Rinpoche and Trijang Rinpoche, let alone his lineage guru Pabongkha Rinpoche?

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he defends sexual abuse which is barbaric in itself,

Which “sexual abuse” did Peljor defend? When and how did ever Peljor defend “sexual abuse”?

Since no one, including you, has ever been able to prove this slanderous statement, it is clear that you and others just want to deflect the attention from Peljor's own well-grounded, well-documented denunciation of infamous playboy Sogyal's shameful record of sexual abuse.

And let's not forget that infamous playboy Sogyqal is an evil dalie's close pal, and that the evil dalie does not say one single word of reproach about infamous playboy Sogyal, all of which clearly shows who engages in, and who defends and tries to cover sexual abuse.

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and hurls hate towards others such as Dorje Shugden practitioners.

Right, and what about the chief witch-hunter, the evil dalie, do you still call him “His Holiness”?

By the way, I don't see one single mention to Peljor's boss the evil dalie in your whole post; does this mean that you are protecting him, the evil dalie, but lack the guts to openly confess to it?

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What did we ever do to him?

To him who? To the evil dalie, whom you protect focusing instead on the minuscule Peljor?

What your Tibetan old man forgot to tell you is that dogs are angry with the stick hitting them, not with the person holding the stick. In the same way, some misguided Shugdenpas, like irrational dogs, are angry with the little stick Peljor, but subserviently melt in praises to the stick-holder, the evil dalie.

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Even if someone did harm him, and that person happened to be a Dorje Shugden devotee it doesn't mean that he can label all Dorje Shugden devotees as bad.

The same logic applies to the evil dalie, who labels all Shugdepas as “enemies who want to shorten his life”, and this in a medieval society where being labeled the enemy of the ruling tyrant is tantamount to anything from social ostracism to a death sentence.

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And all of his actions, thoughts that he shares is all about controversial topics, which means that he really just wants to be in the thick of it, where he is not needed or wanted.

Then according to you the evil dalie's ban on Shugdenpas is not “controversial”, right? Neither are his brazen support to self-immolations, to bloody racist riots, not to mention his disgusting support to Islamic State terrorism.

Therefore, according to you the evil dalie, who more than anyone else “wants to  be in the thick of it, where he is not need or wanted” is wholly nice and dandy, but you need to criticize his minion Peljor as a way of deflecting attention from his boss, the evil dalie.

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He just wants to get involved to make himself look better. That's all.

And what about the evil dalie belching opinions about Putin in the Telegraph, just in order to look better to his Western bosses?

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And for him to do this being a monk, its stomach churning.

The evil dalie is a “monk” as well, but strangely enough he does churn your stomach!

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What sort of monk behaves like this?

This is an easy question to answer. The evil dalie is called a “monk” and does behaves like this, and indeed much worse.

The difficult question for you to answer is why do you attack so much Peljor while saving the face of his boss, the also “monk” evil dalie.

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I had many Tibetan monk friends, and most of them would always tell me that a monk needs to behave and act in a certain way, only then do they really become part of the sacred Sangha jewel.

They were meaning that no monk should behave like the evil dalie, but you missed it.

Monks sometimes are very subtle, specially when living under unscrupulous tyrants such as the evil dalie.

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Unfortunately people like this Peljor pull the glory of the Sangha down in the eyes of others.

And people like the evil dalie do what? They pull the glory of the Sangha up in the eyes of George Soros and the CIA?

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I for one do not think less of the Sangha, but i could see why people would, if they take him as an example of what a monk should be.

You might consider thinking less of your very own self, considering your shameful support to Peljor's boss, the evil dalie.

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It's sad and deplorable that the world has degenerated to such a position that people like Peljor can masquerade as monks,

And to which point did you degenerate yourself (while seeing degeneration in others), supporting as you do unscrupulous, murderous tyrants masquerading as “monks”, such as the evil dalie?

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all the while only doing such negative deeds and worst of all defending the suffering caused to other through sexual abuse.

The accusation against Peljor that he “defends sexual abuse” has never been proven, whereby it is a mere slander, for your information also known in Buddhism as a serious negative deed, but in case engaged in by you, not by Peljor.

Besides, who is the “other” who suffered through a “sexual abuse” defended by Peljor? You are just deliriously fabricating a non-existent story out of your own sick imagination in order to incriminate someone else. What a shame!

Besides, if there is anything wrong going on in Namgyal Monastery, the responsibility falls on the  monastery's owner and supreme authority, the insider evil dalie, not on passing visitor the outsider Peljor, who did nothing at all. And still you want to deflect the evil dalie's responsibilty falsely accusing Peljor!

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It's disgusting.

As often happens with hypocritical, sycophantic footlickers of propaganda established “authorities” such as the evil dalie, you are only talking about your very own self.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Big Uncle on July 10, 2017, 10:44:19 PM
Matibhadra,
What is the point of you dissecting and finding fault in everybody's opinion of things? Are you trying to defend Peljor and his nasty behaviour? Don't you find what Tenzin Peljor is doing is wrong, objectionable and although he may not be attacking Dorje Shugden directly. After all, he is another follower of the Dalai Lama and just twisting it back to the Dalai Lama does not make Peljor's actions any better. I find you a bit obsessive with getting at the Dalai Lama when it is really not about the Dalai Lama. 
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 11, 2017, 01:23:15 AM
Dear Big Uncle, you say

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What is the point of you dissecting and finding fault in everybody's opinion of things?

If the fault is there, what is the point of hiding it?

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Are you trying to defend Peljor and his nasty behaviour?

Rather, I'm trying to expose the nasty behavior of people like you, who accuse someone of something he did not do, such as when you accuse Peljor of defending sexual abuse.

But since you pretend to believe that Peljor did defend sexual abuse, why don't you try and prove it, instead of merely criticizing me for defending Peljor from your false accusation?

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Don't you find what Tenzin Peljor is doing is wrong, objectionable and although he may not be attacking Dorje Shugden directly.

While most everything that Peljor does is indeed awfully wrong and objectionable, whether related or not to Dorje Shugden, the fact remains that he has nowhere defended sexual abuse.

But even more wrong and objectionable is the fact that people choose to attack Peljor not for what he does, such as supporting the evil dalie, but for what he did not do, such as defending sexual abuse.

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After all, he is another follower of the Dalai Lama and just twisting it back to the Dalai Lama does not make Peljor's actions any better.

Right you are, as it is precisely Peljor's subservience to the evil dalie, and Peljor's convoluted support to the evil dalie's wrong actions, what makes of Peljor such a bad character.

On the other hand, this is not a reason falsely to accuse Peljor precisely where he is innocent, such as of “defending sexual abuse”.

Actually, to your satisfaction, there is indeed one occasion where Peljor did defend sexual abuse, which is when he defended the evil dalie's thundering silence about evil dalie's pal infamous playboy Sogyal's record of sexual abuse.

Bottom line, the only occasion where Peljor was not a bad person is precisely when he contradicted the evil dalie (denouncing evil dalie's pal infamous playboy Sogyal's record of sexual abuse), and the only occasion where Peljor did defend sexual abuse is precisely when he supported the evil dalie (justifying the evil dalie's thunderous silence about his pal infamous playboy Sogyal's record of sexual abuse).

Therefore, it is impossible to try and dissociate Peljor's good and bad actions from the background of the evil dalie's always bad actions, whereby whatever Peljor is, much worse is the evil dalie.

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I find you a bit obsessive with getting at the Dalai Lama when it is really not about the Dalai Lama.

As above explained, it is not possible schizophrenically to dissociate Peljor's good and bad actions from the background of the evil dalie's always bad actions.

But since this is precisely what you and others cannot stop attempting at, you are unsurprisingly projecting on others the obsessive-compulsiveness characterizing your own schizophrenic attitude.

In the same way that the evil dalie scapegoats Shugdenpas for his own failures, also some so-called Shugdenpas try to scapegoat Peljor for their own frustrations, specially for the frustration of failing to receive the evil dalie's approval.

Such Shugdenpas cannot assimilate the fact that they are rejected by the evil dalie, and therefore project on competing followers of the evil dalie such as Peljor the hatred resulting from their own frustration.

Peljor and such so-called Shugdenpas are like wicked children fighting among themselves for the preference and favoritism of their wicked father, the evil dalie. Symptomatic that they indeed call the evil dalie their “father”.

Therefore, Peljor and such Shugdenpas are equally wicked, and none is better than the other. If anything, such Shugdenpas are worse than Peljor, because they neglect the teachings of their own pure lamas in favor of the evil dalie's fake glitter.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Pema8 on July 11, 2017, 07:40:22 AM
Still fact is that Peljor is not doing his practice as he is busy looking around who he can slander about. I don't think that this is a very spiritual behaviour. As a monk he should be busy with his practice and meditation.

Instead he lets the world know what should be dealt with in the place itself. If sexual misconduct happened it is to be solved there instead of pointing fingers! Point your finger back at yourself!
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 11, 2017, 02:57:47 PM
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Still fact is that Peljor is not doing his practice

So what. Are you Peljor's disciplinarian now? Who pays your salary to control Peljor's or anyone's practice?

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as he is busy looking around who he can slander about.

Peljor's boss, the evil dalie, cannot stop slandering Shugdenpas, Putin, Trump, China, Myanmar's and Sri Lanka's Buddhists, and so on.

Besides, the evil dalie silences about his pal infamous playboy Sogyal's record of sexual abuse, thus effectively defending sexual abuse.

Still, instead of criticizing Peljor's boss, the evil dalie, you are obsessively concerned only with minuscule Peljor, which shows that your agenda is just to cover you hero the evil dalie's crimes.

You merely want to save the face of Peljor's boss, the evil dalie, when you accuse Peljor. Therefore, your criticism is not sincere.

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I don't think that this is a very spiritual behaviour.

But you do think that the behaviors of the evil dalie and of infamous playboy Sogyal are “very spiritual”, which is why your opinion about Peljor is insincere, and thus irrelevant.

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As a monk he should be busy with his practice and meditation.

Why then don't you complain about Peljor's boss, the evil dalie, who also transvestites as a “monk” but is only busy with slandering others, promoting witch-hunts, gruesome self-immolations, bloody racist riots, and other such barbaric acts?

Or are you suggesting that it is ok for infamous playboy Sogyal to engage in sexual abuse just because he is not a monk?

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Instead he lets the world know what should be dealt with in the place itself.

Oh, I see, you want to defend infamous playboy Sogyal's record of sexual abuse, right?

You are suggesting that Peljor should silence about infamous playboy Sogyal's record of sexual abuse, and “deal with in the place itself”, instead of “letting the world know about it”.

In other words, you have just been caught red-handed defending sexual abuse and the culture of silence, while shamelessly accusing Peljor of the same!

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If sexual misconduct happened it is to be solved there instead of pointing fingers!

In other words you defend a culture of silence, in order to protect your cult leader, the infamous playboy Sogyal.

This shows just how hypocritical you are when you point your dirty fingers at Peljor!

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Point your finger back at yourself!

This is your own homework. And please clean your fingers.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: dsnowlion on July 11, 2017, 04:51:16 PM

I was wondering how long it was going to take before Peljor used all of this as an opportunity for self-promotion. He never promotes Dharma teachings, Dharma articles or information. Only judgements, criticism and attacks. But if he was truly out to expose alleged abuses in Tibetan Buddhism, why does he then go to such lengths to debate against Sandra Mesrine? When will Peljor behave like a monk and not just wear the costume of a monk? Halloween's over.

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You're right Peljor, do we rich Westerners have the right to condemn? Perhaps you should get rid of your website which does nothing but condemn everyone. While Sandra Mesrine agrees to disagree, and points out the problems that exist, Peljor doesn't even address her comment. Instead talks about his experience in India, and questions what's right and wrong. Is this 'monk' for real, excusing alleged abuse by saying that the youth would otherwise suffer poor living conditions? Hey, abuse is wrong, full stop, in whatever context it takes place in.

It is interesting that Peljor just ignored Sandra's comment about Dalai Lama's personal monastery of Namgyal monks enjoying pornography. Also there are many career monks in Namgyal meaning they only wear robes and stay near the Dalai Lama for financial gain. Of course if Peljor were to comment on this like the rest of us Westerners, it would make him look bad because the basis of his 'power' to judge and condemn others is his closeness to the sanctified Dalai Lama above all reproach. As a Westerner to me, no one is above reproach especially people of spiritual authorities. If the Dalai Lama, as Sandra said, is ignoring the career monks in his own monastery and ignoring the pornography, what does that look like? You guess. Peljor has to defend the Dalai Lama because it is not faith that draws Peljor to the Dalai Lama but it's a career. For Peljor all of this is simply a job and his robes are part of the uniform. Child molestation in any society is disgusting and should be dealt with by the law. Pornography in any monastery should be banned and stopped. The Dalai Lama allowing this in his monastery is well known and spoken in hushed tones among the Tibetans and Westerners (injis) in McLeod Ganj. Too bad Peljor is so biased in his views. Gotta keep the boss happy.

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This monk keeps defending the potential for abuse that Sandra Mesrine is talking about. Why would anyone in their right mind defend sexual abuse? I find it pretty entertaining too that it's a bunch of white folk debating the culture of Asians (or Tibetans in this case), acting like they are experts because they spoke to some Asian friends. Interesting. Would the same people claim and insist they are experts and familiar with black culture? Don't think so.



I see how he disregards Sandra's statements, hushing her up and deviating from it. Well, this is what we discussing here and the above is proof that what he says is indirectly defending sexual abuse, porn and basically telling Sandra that she has no clue about Tibetan Lamas/monks and Buddhism. Well, he kind authorised himself to be the "police" for Tibetan Buddhism LOL

Anyway, all this also shows that he is indeed free as a bird! He sure can write a lot and talk a lot.. gossiping, creating schism and conflict. What kind of monk does this? It is okay to come on to social media to spread Dharma, but I have never seen any monks who is as active as him on social media, not very befitting of a monk.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Pema8 on July 11, 2017, 08:22:56 PM
Dear Matibhadra,

Instead of dissecting my post, sentence by sentence and putting things between the lines I did not write and intend to write...

Just to let you know that sexual abuse is not ok and nobody should experience such thing. I think that if Peljor knew about it, he must declare it to the authorities, not to Facebook.

And by the way, you are caught spreading your stuff by using others comment! Write your own stuff - or are you the backseatdriver here?



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Still fact is that Peljor is not doing his practice

So what. Are you Peljor's disciplinarian now? Who pays your salary to control Peljor's or anyone's practice?

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as he is busy looking around who he can slander about.

Peljor's boss, the evil dalie, cannot stop slandering Shugdenpas, Putin, Trump, China, Myanmar's and Sri Lanka's Buddhists, and so on.

Besides, the evil dalie silences about his pal infamous playboy Sogyal's record of sexual abuse, thus effectively defending sexual abuse.

Still, instead of criticizing Peljor's boss, the evil dalie, you are obsessively concerned only with minuscule Peljor, which shows that your agenda is just to cover you hero the evil dalie's crimes.

You merely want to save the face of Peljor's boss, the evil dalie, when you accuse Peljor. Therefore, your criticism is not sincere.

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I don't think that this is a very spiritual behaviour.

But you do think that the behaviors of the evil dalie and of infamous playboy Sogyal are “very spiritual”, which is why your opinion about Peljor is insincere, and thus irrelevant.

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As a monk he should be busy with his practice and meditation.

Why then don't you complain about Peljor's boss, the evil dalie, who also transvestites as a “monk” but is only busy with slandering others, promoting witch-hunts, gruesome self-immolations, bloody racist riots, and other such barbaric acts?

Or are you suggesting that it is ok for infamous playboy Sogyal to engage in sexual abuse just because he is not a monk?

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Instead he lets the world know what should be dealt with in the place itself.

Oh, I see, you want to defend infamous playboy Sogyal's record of sexual abuse, right?

You are suggesting that Peljor should silence about infamous playboy Sogyal's record of sexual abuse, and “deal with in the place itself”, instead of “letting the world know about it”.

In other words, you have just been caught red-handed defending sexual abuse and the culture of silence, while shamelessly accusing Peljor of the same!

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If sexual misconduct happened it is to be solved there instead of pointing fingers!

In other words you defend a culture of silence, in order to protect your cult leader, the infamous playboy Sogyal.

This shows just how hypocritical you are when you point your dirty fingers at Peljor!

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Point your finger back at yourself!

This is your own homework. And please clean your fingers.
Instead of dissecting my post, sentence by sentence and putting things between the lines I did not write and intend to write...

Just to let you know that sexual abuse is not ok and nobody should experience such thing. I think that if Peljor knew about it, he must declare it to the authorities, not to Facebook.

And by the way, you are caught spreading your stuff by using others comment! Write your own stuff - or are you the backseatdriver here?
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: PrajNa on July 12, 2017, 12:46:25 AM

I was wondering how long it was going to take before Peljor used all of this as an opportunity for self-promotion. He never promotes Dharma teachings, Dharma articles or information. Only judgements, criticism and attacks. But if he was truly out to expose alleged abuses in Tibetan Buddhism, why does he then go to such lengths to debate against Sandra Mesrine? When will Peljor behave like a monk and not just wear the costume of a monk? Halloween's over.

I thought perhaps it could be just to bring more viewers to his website that does not have many visitors. Why would real Buddhists read gossips and bad news about Buddhist monks and centers when there is not even enough time to read real Buddhist stuff, like Dzogchen for example.

I was quite disturbed when someone pointed out to me that perhaps he is obsessed with the topic of sexual abuse in a sick way. The person told me that beside his articles about sexual abuse on his website, Peljor also posts on twitter about sexual abuse and sex in general. I went on to see and here are some examples.

Why would a monk post about sex?  :o

Why would Peljor post about 10 nations where the penalty for gay sex is death anyway?

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Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 12, 2017, 11:56:36 AM
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I see how he disregards Sandra's statements, hushing her up and deviating from it.

So what. Maybe Sandra's statements did deserve to be disregarded, and Sandra did deserve to be hushed up, if this is indeed what Peljor did.

Besides, what did you see of so sacred in Sandra's statements that you don't even have the guts to quote them, knowing as you do that they lack any worth anyway?

Actually, if you go through Sadra's idiotic statements you'll see that they are worthless indeed, and that Sandra is just a militant hater of Buddhistic monastic tradition, and therefore of Gelugpas.

You will see as well her special love for Jewish orthodox rabbis, some of whom involved in the traffick of human organs so near to her in New Jersey, which explains her need to find fault in Buddhist traditional monastic education in far away India.

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Well, this is what we discussing here and the above is proof

“The above” *what*? *Where*? *When*? Get the courage and quote the specific passage which you believe to be a proof of specifically what, instead of hiding yourself behind blanket accusations.

The fact that you eschew showing your supposed evidence is itself a proof of your lack of confidence in your own argument, and that you know perfectly that your contrived case does not hold water at all.

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that what he says is indirectly defending sexual abuse,

What specifically did Peljor say that you don't even dare to quote?

Which supposed sexual abuse happened to whom, where, and when, that Peljor indirectly defended, and why do you believe that this is the case?

Since you lack the guts to show your evidence, this can only means that you have no evidence at all, and that just what you want is a cheap vendetta against Peljor, and just because he exposed infamous playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse.

Now the appropriate question is: If Peljor defended infamous playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse would you care to accuse Peljor of “defending sexual abuse”? And, in such case, would Peljor's defense of sexual abuse be “direct” or “indirect”?

But to your satisfaction, I can provide irrefutable evidence that Peljor does directly defend sexual abuse!

Indeed, this is precisely what Peljor does when he wrotes a whole article defending the evil dalie's thundering silence about infamous playboy Sogyal ugly and extensive records of sexual abuse.

But this proof you don't want to hear about and you deviate from, because it exposes your wicked cult leaders, the evil dalie and his pal infamous playboy Sogyal.

Therefore, here we are again where we started from: this whole thread is nothing but a cheap vendetta against Peljor, wrongly accusing him of “defending sexual abuse”, just because he denounced infamous playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse.

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porn

Would quote exactly where did Peljor “defend” porn?

Besides, where did you see “porn” except in the mind of militant anti-Buddhist hater and Jewish rabbi lover Sandra Mesrine?

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and basically telling Sandra that she has no clue about Tibetan Lamas/monks and Buddhism.

Which is exactly the case, and Peljor did very well if he indeed told her what she had to hear. This by the way proves that Peljor with all his mistakes has his store of merits as well.

Besides, since when dismissing idiotic Sandra Mesrine, the one who says nothing about Jewish rabbis trafficking human organs, is tantamount to “defending sexual abuse”?

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Well, he kind authorised himself to be the "police" for Tibetan Buddhism LOL

Actually the one who ridiculously gave herself this role is precisely Sandra Mesrine, the one who loves so much her Jewish rabbis, and says nothing about their traffick of human organs just next door to her, but who goes to far away India in order to find fault in Buddhist monastic tradition, and the one who sees “porn” everywhere.

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Anyway, all this also shows that he is indeed free as a bird!

At least he had the freedom to expose infamous playboy Sogyal's ugly record of serial sexual abuse, which both you and rabbi lover Sandra Mesrine lack the freedom to.

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He sure can write a lot and talk a lot.. gossiping, creating schism and conflict.

So what? Did you authorize yourself to be the “police” of Tibetan Buddhism?

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What kind of monk does this?

Is it your job? Did you now become the “police” of Tibetan Buddhism?

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It is okay to come on to social media to spread Dharma,

Why then do you come to social media, which this website is, to spread gossips about Peljor?

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but I have never seen any monks who is as active as him on social media, not very befitting of a monk.

You are anyway a mere hater of Buddhist monastic tradition just like your porn idol Sandra Mesrine, the one who sees porn everywhere, whereby your opinion is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 12, 2017, 12:58:23 PM
Dear Pema8, you say

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Instead of dissecting my post, sentence by sentence

You are afraid of having your post dissected, because you know that what you say does not bear analysis, and that your fraudulent speech is exposed for all to see through such dissection.

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and putting things between the lines I did not write and intend to write...

These uncomfortable “things between the lines” are also known as “comments”, in case the comments exposing your lies.

And, just because the very nature of your fraudulent speech is not to write what you actually know to be the case, such comments indeed show what you did not dare to write or intend to write.
 
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Just to let you know that sexual abuse is not ok and nobody should experience such thing.

Why then do you try to cover the infamous playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse, accusing instead his exposer Peljor in such a cheap vendetta?

Therefore, you are guilty of the same defense of sexual abuse you ascribe to others, a well studied psychological unhealthy pattern known as “projection”.

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I think that if Peljor knew about it, he must declare it to the authorities, not to Facebook.

The very victims reported it to authorities, and even went to court about it, whence the infamous playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse.

But I see that allowing the public to know about infamous playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse is, according to you, the same as “defending sexual abuse”, right?

Anyway, whether Peljor is right or wrong, you should have the guts to tell it directly to him, instead of cowardly doing so on this forum and in this website which have absolutely nothing to do with him.

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And by the way, you are caught spreading your stuff by using others comment!

Caught? By whom? Where? When? Which stuff?

Besides, since it's “my stuff” what I am spreading, how could it possibly be “others comment”?

Maybe you just drunk too much before writing your post.

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Write your own stuff - or are you the backseatdriver here?

Since it's you criticizing Peljor, ridiculously screaming at him in the wrong place how he should or not behave, there is no other backseat driver here other than “Pema8”.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 12, 2017, 02:04:36 PM
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Why would real Buddhists read gossips and bad news about Buddhist monks and centers when there is not even enough time to read real Buddhist stuff, like Dzogchen for example.

Interesting your point. It suggests that what moves the criticism against Peljor is not his alleged “defense of sexual abuse”, which is rather the speciality of infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's fanboys.

Indeed, it makes clear that just what is behind the criticism against Peljor is the mere “Nyingma” anti-Gelug sectarian hatred, whence your need to mention “dzogchen” as an “argument” against Peljor.

Therefore, it's no coincidence that those brandishing the “dzogchen” label as an “evidence” against Peljor are the same silencing about infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse.

Bottom line, what we are witnessing here is merely a cheap sectarian vendetta waged by Nyingmapa fanboys against Gelugpa in general, and of course in defense of their cult leader infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse.

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I was quite disturbed when someone pointed out to me that perhaps he is obsessed with the topic of sexual abuse in a sick way.

Are you suggesting that defending infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse is “not sick”? Or that not defending, rather exposing it, is “sick”? Please make your mind clear.

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The person told me that beside his articles about sexual abuse on his website, Peljor also posts on twitter about sexual abuse and sex in general. I went on to see and here are some examples.

Obviously, you and that “person” are sickly obsessed with Peljor's activities, to the point of obsessively spending your time digging for examples of Peljor's supposed “obsession”, and then complaining about lack of time to read what you call “real Buddhist stuff”, as you call “dzogchen”!

The conclusion is clear. The unavoidable fate of sectarianists belching about “dzogchen” is obsessively to spend their miserable lives digging the internet for “evidence” against Gelugpa monks, just because a Gelugpa monk, good or bad, exposed infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's ugly record of serial sexual abuse!

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Why would a monk post about sex?  :o

So what? The dzogchen mercenary sectarian propagandist and Nyingma monk Mipham wrote about the kama sutra.

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Why would Peljor post about 10 nations where the penalty for gay sex is death anyway?

Another of Peljor's excellent deeds, to denounce sexual intolerance in countries which fake news mass media, and stooges like the evil dalie, silence about. Bravo Peljor!

But now I see that you support death penalty against homosexuals, and thus that you are a mere follower of the Jewish Torah and sympathizer of the Islamic State, according to both of which homosexuals should be “put to death”.

Now, it is interesting to see how your love for “dzogchen” and hate for Buddhist monastic tradition combines with your love for Jewish law, even in its most obnoxious commandments.

In fact, looks like the little emphasis placed on “idols”, which are the yidams, and on monasticism, by dzogchen makes of it a favorite choice of Jews somehow inclined to Buddhism.

This might also explain why Sandra Mesrine, the one who like you see porn everywhere, hates so much Buddhist monastic tradition, and therefore the Gelugpa, all the while loving Jewish rabbis, no matter how much they may be involved in the traffic of human organs.

Anyway, for your honorable deed of denouncing the Jewish law's hatred against homosexuals, specially in rogue countries following the Jewish Torah (as echoed by the Islamic Quran), bravo, bravissimo Peljor!!!

The lesson to be learned here is how much even a bad Gelugpa monk, such as Peljor, is infinitely better than any “dzogchen” fanboy suchas you.
Title: Re: Are dzogchen fanboys trying to use Peljor in order to defame Gelugpas?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 12, 2017, 02:31:33 PM
And here is the bottom line of this whole thread: it is just mistitled, as its subject should read: “Are dzogchen sectarian fanboys and Torah followers trying to use Peljor in order to defame Gelugpas, and thus Buddhist monastic tradition in general?”

Since Peljor wrongly defames Shugdenpas, such sectarian intriguers found a good opportunity to leverage this unfortunate circumstance in order to put Gelugpas against Gelugpas, and to demean Buddhist monasticism, both Gelugpa and non-Gelugpa.

This is shown by the recent post which takes the opportunity gratuitously to smear Thai Theravadin monks, which have absolutely nothing to do with Peljor.

This is shown by Sandra Mesrine's generic, unproven, gratuitous attacks against Buddhist monastic tradition in general, all the while showing their love for Jewish rabbis, no matter how much some of them are guilty of trafficking human organs.

This is shown by the reverence shown to Sandra Mesrine's idiotic statements by those “dzogchen” sectarian fanboys.

And this is shown by their need to attack Peljor precisely when he directly contradicted Jewish law, which explicitly commands putting homosexuals to death, and their need to defend those who apply this beastly depraved law (as echoed by the Quran), such as the barbaric Islamic State.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: PrajNa on July 12, 2017, 07:27:50 PM
Indeed, it makes clear that just what is behind the criticism against Peljor is the mere “Nyingma” anti-Gelug sectarian hatred, whence your need to mention “dzogchen” as an “argument” against Peljor.

Therefore, it's no coincidence that those brandishing the “dzogchen” label as an “evidence” against Peljor are the same silencing about infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse.

Bottom line, what we are witnessing here is merely a cheap sectarian vendetta waged by Nyingmapa fanboys against Gelugpa in general, and of course in defense of their cult leader infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse.


Why is this hatred just because I mention dzogchen. Please do not simply create issue on this forum when there is none. If Peljor wants to, he can bring it up to European Buddhist Union, but what I see is that he uses the opportunity to write on these topics in a tabloid manner to bring views to his website. I really wish that the website can be taken down. It attacks Zen monks, Thai monks, Tibetan monks. There is no solution or advice provided, merely airing dirty laundry  >:( and making monks look bad.

And Matibhadra, let's not bring Soros in the picture and the conspiracy theory.  I really wish someone would shut this monk up, an ex-NKT monk Gelug monk who studies with a Kagyu teacher, I don't even know what to label him.
Title: Re: Are dzogchen fanboys trying to use Peljor in order to defame Gelugpas?
Post by: Namdrol on July 12, 2017, 08:56:11 PM
And here is the bottom line of this whole thread: it is just mistitled, as its subject should read: “Are dzogchen sectarian fanboys and Torah followers trying to use Peljor in order to defame Gelugpas, and thus Buddhist monastic tradition in general?”

Matibhadra stop creating schism, this has nothing to do with Dzongchen Nyingma and you brought it up to stir sectarianism, please spend more time in Dharma practice than to create schism here. Shame.
Title: Are dzogchen fanboys trying to use Peljor in order to defame Gelugpas?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 12, 2017, 10:20:05 PM
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Why is this hatred

The source of your hatred is your vicious addiction to the Jewish command to put homosexuals to death, combined with your ridiculously sectarian “dzogcghen” fanboyism.

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just because I mention dzogchen.

Which showed that your own sectarian “dzogchen” fanboyism is at the root of your vile attempt to pit Shugdenpas against other Gelugpas.

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Please do not simply create issue on this forum when there is none.

Of course there is the issue of “dzogchen” fanboys addicted to beastly depraved Jewish commands using Peljor as a pretext to pit Shugdenpas against other Gelugpas, and even to support putting homosexuals to death.

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If Peljor wants to, he can bring it up to European Buddhist Union,

Why don't you bring to the European Buddhist Union your own suggestion, that Buddhists should adopt the Jewish beastly depraved command to put homosexuals to death? And that in the free time between putting homosexuals to death Buddhists should read “real Buddhist” stuff such as the  profound “dzogchen” books written by infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal of ugly records of serial sexual abuse? Or maybe the infamous “termas” praising the invented Nyingma Padmasambhava who killed 432.000 men and raped 432.000 women?

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but what I see is that he uses the opportunity to write on these topics in a tabloid manner to bring views to his website.

So what? What do you have against Peljor's bringing views to his website? Are you paid by someone to decrease Peljor's website views? Are you upset because Peljor criticized countries putting homosexuals to death and thus opposed the Jewish murderous, beastly, depraved command? Are you nervous because Peljor denounced infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's ugly record of serial sexual abuse? Are you disturbed because Peljor effectively and intelligently defended Gelugpa and Buddhist monastic tradition against rabbi-lover Sandra Mesrine's sordid and baseless attacks? Or are you just frustrated because the more you read what you call “real Buddhist stuff” as you call “dzogchen”, a more shameful person you become?

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I really wish that the website can be taken down. It attacks Zen monks, Thai monks, Tibetan monks.

Smokescreen. You are just upset because Peljor denounced infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse, whence your need to propagandize your “dzogchen” sectarianism in the context of trying to pit Shugdenpas against other Gelugpas.

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There is no solution or advice provided, merely airing dirty laundry  >:( and making monks look bad.

So what? Where is it written that Peljor has to provide any solution? And why do you pretend to be so concerned with monks, when you are solely concerned with covering infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's ugly records of sexual abuse?

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And Matibhadra, let's not bring Soros in the picture and the conspiracy theory.

Why not? Do you prefer the idiocy theory that there is no Soros money behind Shugden-hating Tsadra Andrea Soros Foundation?

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I really wish someone would shut this monk up,

Not only you want to put homosexuals to death but you want repress freedom of expression, just because Peljor denounced infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's ugly record of serial sexual abuse? Is this one from the Torah of from some “dzogchen real Buddhist stuff” teaching mass murder and mass rape?

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an ex-NKT monk Gelug monk who studies with a Kagyu teacher, I don't even know what to label him.

As a “dzogchen” fanboy who you should be less concerned with “labels”.

Besides, instead of Peljor, you should be more concerned with infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse, instead of shamefully trying to use Peljor to pit Shugdenpas against other Gelugpas, which is your sole and sordid purpose here.
Title: Re: Are dzogchen fanboys trying to use Peljor in order to defame Gelugpas?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 12, 2017, 11:34:32 PM
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Matibhadra stop creating schism,

Then denouncing a “dzogchen” supremacist fanboy who tries to pit Shugdenpas against other Gelugpas is according to you “creating schism”, is it?

Then, according to you, diagnosing the disease is the same as creating it, right?

This means that you would prefer that the sordid attempt by a “dzogchen” supremacist fanboy to pit Shugdenpas against other Gelugpas goes unnoticed, which makes of you his accomplice.

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this has nothing to do with Dzongchen Nyingma

Of course it has! The mentioned “dzogchen” supremacist fanboy confessed to it! He even said that “dzogchen”, the teaching ascribed to a mass murderer and mass raper invented by the “termas”, is the “real Buddhist stuff” that the Gelugpa monk Peljor should learn! 

Indeed, not only he felt the sectarianist need to proclaim the supremacy of “dzogchen” barbaric teachings while criticizing a Gelugpa monk; and not only he attacked a Gelugpa monk such as Peljor just in order to cover infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's ugly record of serial sexual abuse; but also he tried to use Peljor to pit Shugdenpas against other Gelugpas, thus showing his poisonous wish to exacerbate the already existent schism among Gelugpas.

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and you brought it up to stir sectarianism,

Wrong. I'm just denouncing the ugly sectarianist attempt to pit Shugdenpas against other Gelugpas perpetrated by the sectarian “dzogchen” supremacist fanboy and supported by you.

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please spend more time in Dharma practice than to create schism here.

Do you mean, I should spend more time reading infamous playboy Sogyal's “dzogchen” books and thus emulate his ugly records of serial sexual abuse?

Or should I accuse Peljor of “defending sexual abuse” just because he denounced infamous playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse?

Or should I practice “Dharma” trying to pit Shugdenpas against other Gelugpas, following the example of the frustrated “dzogchen” supremacist sectarianist fanboy?

Or maybe I should study “real Buddhist stuff” and learn the beauties of mass murder and mass rape as practiced by the imaginary “Padmasambhava” invented by the “termas”?

Or according to you supporting the Jewish command to put homosexuals to death, as criticized by Peljor but supported by his defamers on this forum, is practicing Dharma as well?

Seeing that you are an expert practitioner of all such “Dharmas”, what should I say about you?

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Shame.

You took the word right out of my mouth!
Title: Re: Are dzogchen fanboys trying to use Peljor in order to defame Gelugpas?
Post by: michaela on July 13, 2017, 01:37:32 AM
And here is the bottom line of this whole thread: it is just mistitled, as its subject should read: “Are dzogchen sectarian fanboys and Torah followers trying to use Peljor in order to defame Gelugpas, and thus Buddhist monastic tradition in general?”

Matibhadra stop creating schism, this has nothing to do with Dzongchen Nyingma and you brought it up to stir sectarianism, please spend more time in Dharma practice than to create schism here. Shame.



I think we should clear-out from the discussion of sectarianism. It is not the purpose of this forum to create further conflict with other sects of Tibetan Buddhism. The point is Peljor is a trouble maker who continues to create various controversies with his and attack other lamas to draw attention to himself. And this has to be stopped especially considering his reputation of changing teachers and changing centers, etc.

It is best if he just keep quiet and concentrate on his Buddhist studies.
Title: Re: Are dzogchen fanboys trying to use Peljor in order to defame Gelugpas?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 13, 2017, 03:19:47 AM
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I think we should clear-out from the discussion of sectarianism.

How cute!

Peljor is sordidly abused, and accused of something which he absolutely did not do, such as “defending sexual abuse”, until the putrid sectarian agenda of his abusers and accusers is exposed, and then you want to limit the discussion only to keep abusing and accusing Peljor, while shamelessly trying to forbid and silence the discussion about the sectarian agenda of his abusers and accusers!

While not even one comma of evidence has ever been produced that Peljor has ever “defended sexual abuse”, tons of evidence have been produced that such contemptible accusations are a mere vendetta waged against Peljor by disgruntled fanboys of infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal, just because Peljor exposed his ugly records of serial sexual abuse!

Now that the Peljor's accusers and abusers have been exposed as “dzogchen” supremacist sectarianists, as haters of Gelugpa monasticism, and as proponents of putting homosexuals to death, and that their only sordid purpose is to pit Shugdenpas against other Gelugpas, and thus to exacerbate the already existent division within the Gelugpas, you want to change the topic!

And what is worse, you want to change the topic back to falsely and without any evidence keep bashing Peljor for something he never did! This shows that you are no different from any of the aforementioned “dzogchen” sectarian supremacists, and that just what you want here is to save the face of infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal, whose ugly records of serial sexual abuse were exposed by Peljor!

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It is not the purpose of this forum to create further conflict with other sects of Tibetan Buddhism.

If so, why do you want to keep accusing Peljor of what he never did, such as “defending sexual abuse”, thus supporting your beloved “dzogchen” supremacist sectarianists, thus trying to silence Peljor's efforts to expose infamous playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse, thus pitting Gelugpas against each other, and thus exacerbating the already existent rift among Gelugpas?

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The point is Peljor is a trouble maker who continues to create various controversies with his and attack other lamas to draw attention to himself.

So what. This does not justify your filthy, sectarianist attempt to pit Gelugpas against each other, and to exacerbate the already existent rift among Gelugpas.

If you are dissatisfied with Peljor, have the guts to go to him and complain directly, instead of coming to this website, which has nothing to do with Peljor, just in order to pit Gelugpas against each other.

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And this has to be stopped especially considering his reputation of changing teachers and changing centers, etc.

And what is your job with his reputation? Peljor has every right to change teachers and centers as much as he wants, and this is still no reason for you to falsely accuse him of what he never did, as a cheap vendetta just aimed at saving the face of infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal, and at exacerbating already existent divisions among Gelugpas.

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It is best if he just keep quiet and concentrate on his Buddhist studies.

Why don't you have the guts to offer your unasked advice directly to him, instead of hypocritically trying to use this forum and website just to wage your contemptible vendetta, and to fulfill your own sectarian agenda?
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: dsnowlion on July 13, 2017, 12:54:37 PM
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I see how he disregards Sandra's statements, hushing her up and deviating from it.

So what. Maybe Sandra's statements did deserve to be disregarded, and Sandra did deserve to be hushed up, if this is indeed what Peljor did.

Besides, what did you see of so sacred in Sandra's statements that you don't even have the guts to quote them, knowing as you do that they lack any worth anyway?

Actually, if you go through Sadra's idiotic statements you'll see that they are worthless indeed, and that Sandra is just a militant hater of Buddhistic monastic tradition, and therefore of Gelugpas.

You will see as well her special love for Jewish orthodox rabbis, some of whom involved in the traffick of human organs so near to her in New Jersey, which explains her need to find fault in Buddhist traditional monastic education in far away India.

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Well, this is what we discussing here and the above is proof

“The above” *what*? *Where*? *When*? Get the courage and quote the specific passage which you believe to be a proof of specifically what, instead of hiding yourself behind blanket accusations.

The fact that you eschew showing your supposed evidence is itself a proof of your lack of confidence in your own argument, and that you know perfectly that your contrived case does not hold water at all.

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that what he says is indirectly defending sexual abuse,

What specifically did Peljor say that you don't even dare to quote?

Which supposed sexual abuse happened to whom, where, and when, that Peljor indirectly defended, and why do you believe that this is the case?

Since you lack the guts to show your evidence, this can only means that you have no evidence at all, and that just what you want is a cheap vendetta against Peljor, and just because he exposed infamous playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse.

Now the appropriate question is: If Peljor defended infamous playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse would you care to accuse Peljor of “defending sexual abuse”? And, in such case, would Peljor's defense of sexual abuse be “direct” or “indirect”?

But to your satisfaction, I can provide irrefutable evidence that Peljor does directly defend sexual abuse!

Indeed, this is precisely what Peljor does when he wrotes a whole article defending the evil dalie's thundering silence about infamous playboy Sogyal ugly and extensive records of sexual abuse.

But this proof you don't want to hear about and you deviate from, because it exposes your wicked cult leaders, the evil dalie and his pal infamous playboy Sogyal.

Therefore, here we are again where we started from: this whole thread is nothing but a cheap vendetta against Peljor, wrongly accusing him of “defending sexual abuse”, just because he denounced infamous playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse.

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porn

Would quote exactly where did Peljor “defend” porn?

Besides, where did you see “porn” except in the mind of militant anti-Buddhist hater and Jewish rabbi lover Sandra Mesrine?

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and basically telling Sandra that she has no clue about Tibetan Lamas/monks and Buddhism.

Which is exactly the case, and Peljor did very well if he indeed told her what she had to hear. This by the way proves that Peljor with all his mistakes has his store of merits as well.

Besides, since when dismissing idiotic Sandra Mesrine, the one who says nothing about Jewish rabbis trafficking human organs, is tantamount to “defending sexual abuse”?

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Well, he kind authorised himself to be the "police" for Tibetan Buddhism LOL

Actually the one who ridiculously gave herself this role is precisely Sandra Mesrine, the one who loves so much her Jewish rabbis, and says nothing about their traffick of human organs just next door to her, but who goes to far away India in order to find fault in Buddhist monastic tradition, and the one who sees “porn” everywhere.

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Anyway, all this also shows that he is indeed free as a bird!

At least he had the freedom to expose infamous playboy Sogyal's ugly record of serial sexual abuse, which both you and rabbi lover Sandra Mesrine lack the freedom to.

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He sure can write a lot and talk a lot.. gossiping, creating schism and conflict.

So what? Did you authorize yourself to be the “police” of Tibetan Buddhism?

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What kind of monk does this?

Is it your job? Did you now become the “police” of Tibetan Buddhism?

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It is okay to come on to social media to spread Dharma,

Why then do you come to social media, which this website is, to spread gossips about Peljor?

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but I have never seen any monks who is as active as him on social media, not very befitting of a monk.

You are anyway a mere hater of Buddhist monastic tradition just like your porn idol Sandra Mesrine, the one who sees porn everywhere, whereby your opinion is irrelevant.

Someone sure has a lot of "FREE" time to be dissecting people's words one at a time. And talk about hate... Mati you sound like a hater yourself. Fuming in fact. Such strong words, my-my. Is this forum the only thing that keeps you busy? I am not about to spoon feed you how Peljor is defending sexual abuse if 99 person out of 100 person sees, then that 1 person is obviously blind. I am not going to succumb to you "dare" nonsense, what do you think this is, grade 5? Lol. There is no point discussing anything with you because you only choose to see in your perspective. 99 people are wrong and you are right. You must be a Buddha! But Buddhas do not require this much attention and do not speak so rudely to people when they don't get it or get what they want, and get into a fit.

Good luck and good bye to you Miti, I don't think you want really be here to share, discuss and learn, it is more to get everyone to agree with your views.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: DharmaDefender on July 14, 2017, 10:11:28 PM
Someone sure has a lot of "FREE" time to be dissecting people's words one at a time. And talk about hate...

Took the words right out of my mouth. I dont bother reading what he has to say any more because its just vitriol. Its clear judging from the volume of his writing and the depth he goes into, picking apart peoples replies line by line, that hes either got nowt better to do or hes got some agenda hes trying to push across.

The art of communication is about conveying information in a manner that makes the recipient willing to listen but Mitis styles about recording his pennies worth of thoughts and satisfying his need to have the last word. Never mind if youve actually read it or not. Thats not the point, he doesnt actually care about that. His tactic is simple - shout you down AND shut you down with as much information as possible, to demonstrate what a brilliant and in-depth analyst he is (if only youd listen, see, so the faults with you for not reading everything  ::) ). Of course, when your not happy, out come the insults about Sogyal and Tsem and all of that.

Frankly, hes turned off the lot of us and weve got better things to do like discuss why the Dalai Lamas stayed silent on the topic of Namgyal monks circulating pornography, and why "monks" like Tenzin Peljor think its acceptable to perpetuate this culture of silence.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Rowntree on July 15, 2017, 06:11:26 AM
Isn't it obvious by now that Peljor is promoting a side of HHDL hoping that he will be seen in the same light so people will respect him and suck up to him and his corny site that is being used to create schisms? Peljor is obviously avoiding the truth about what is happening in Namgyal monastery under that tutelary protector the Dalai Lama - his guru who gave him the monk's vinaya which we doubt that he holds purely. He is incapable of rationalized the pornography phenomena and the best thing to do is to avoid it. Peljor is stupid because everyone knows about it and it is all over the net and widely spread within the Tibetan community. In case some of you may be wondering since his site is supposed to police all the DON'Ts in the Buddhist scene and he didn't mention anything about the Namgyal monastery pornography phenomena, this is one of the many whys.

Another one is that he himself is doing the same thing and there are no reasons to bring it up since he obviously thinks that it is not important. Afterall, we are all born in the desire realm and we should all have desires and it is acceptable because Peljor is guilty of it. Come to think of it, his height and small built could due to malnutrition for playing himself too much and so he didn't grow properly.

It is so pathetic that we have so many negative things to talk about Peljor and he is supposed to be a monk, one of the Three Jewels that a Buddhist should take refuge in. How sad is this?

Frankly, hes turned off the lot of us and weve got better things to do like discuss why the Dalai Lamas stayed silent on the topic of Namgyal monks circulating pornography, and why "monks" like Tenzin Peljor think its acceptable to perpetuate this culture of silence.

Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: dsnowlion on July 16, 2017, 05:23:07 AM
why the Dalai Lamas stayed silent on the topic of Namgyal monks circulating pornography, and why "monks" like Tenzin Peljor think its acceptable to perpetuate this culture of silence.
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Well Namgyal Monastery was founded by His Holiness, so if He criticises the monastery/monks if would be not only shameful for they are his monks, it would also tarnish the so called great reputation they have as His Holiness's personal assistant monks.

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Namgyal Monastery was founded in 16th-century Tibet by the second Dalai Lama, Gendun Gyatso. Since its founding, the Namgyal monks have assisted the Dalai Lamas in public religious affairs and have performed ritual prayer ceremonies for the welfare of Tibet.

Because Namgyal monks assist His Holiness the Dalai Lama and are frequently traveling with him, they require a more streamlined course of study focusing on the essentials of sutra and tantra. His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama has innovatively addressed and modified the traditional curriculum, including a new syllabus and program of study, which is becoming a model for other Tibetan monasteries.
- From Namgyal Monastery website.

Sounds like a special elite group of monks... and so streamlined are their studies that they have time for porn lol. Well obviously everyone highly respects this bunch of elite monks who are supposedly very close to the Dalai Lama and personally assist Him with rituals etc. So of course Dalai Lama cannot say anything and turns a blind eye and ear... unless someone starts exposing it all over the media.

As for Peljor... why is he accepting it... simple he is probably watching such things himself! Ha! I would not be surprised, all we have to do is take one look at his blog site, you will know what kind of character we're dealing with. Nothing DHarmic about Peljor, just gossip, scandals, schism and lies. I think someone from Sogyal side pissed him off or told him off for something he did and that is why he is writing all the nasty things about Sogyal, because this thing about Sogyal sex scandals is OLD NEWS, why did he suddenly rehashed it and start spreading it? I sense there is an ulterior motive here.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: PrajNa on July 16, 2017, 08:30:20 PM
Someone sure has a lot of "FREE" time to be dissecting people's words one at a time.

Now he is posting about a Kagyu teacher from Kagyu Thubten Chöling Monastery. When is Peljor ever going to stop? I think this is the first time I know about a 'monk' who is so obsessed with sexual abuse  ???

(https://image.ibb.co/gQey9a/Peljor_July14.jpg)

Any psychology major here? Perhaps some theories why Peljor likes to share about sexual abuse  ??? ???
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: DharmaDefender on July 17, 2017, 08:59:39 PM
Someone sure has a lot of "FREE" time to be dissecting people's words one at a time.

Now he is posting about a Kagyu teacher from Kagyu Thubten Chöling Monastery. When is Peljor ever going to stop? I think this is the first time I know about a 'monk' who is so obsessed with sexual abuse  ???

(https://image.ibb.co/gQey9a/Peljor_July14.jpg)

Any psychology major here? Perhaps some theories why Peljor likes to share about sexual abuse  ??? ???

Actually Ive noticed a fair bit of inconsistency in his views. Hes got an entire blog dedicated to tearing down teachers who dont meet his standards. At the same time when he finds out that the Dalai Lamas own monasterys got the same sordid activities going on, hes silent about it. Wheres his blog posts about Namgyal Monastery monks distributing pornography?
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: AshRao on July 17, 2017, 10:08:11 PM
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Now he is posting about a Kagyu teacher from Kagyu Thubten Chöling Monastery. When is Peljor ever going to stop? I think this is the first time I know about a 'monk' who is so obsessed with sexual abuse

Makes you really wonder if he isn't doing something himself. I mean when your that obsessed with something, its bound to be coming from somewhere. Now, I do not claim to know what this somewhere would be but i think it must be very strong in him. His obsession with sexual abuse and tearing other teachers down speaks volumes about his emotional and mental state.

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Actually Ive noticed a fair bit of inconsistency in his views. Hes got an entire blog dedicated to tearing down teachers who dont meet his standards. At the same time when he finds out that the Dalai Lamas own monasterys got the same sordid activities going on, hes silent about it. Wheres his blog posts about Namgyal Monastery monks distributing pornography?

I haven't studied psychology at all but these inconsistencies and his double standards point to either of two possibilities that I can think of. The first is that he is just an attention seeker. Craving this above all else, all logic flies out of the window. Alternatively he has some sort of mental or emotional issues that are unresolved. But that would be strange given that he is a Buddhist "teacher", surely he should have more control over his emotional state, it is the case. Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Are dzogchen fanboys trying to use Peljor in order to defame Gelugpas?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 18, 2017, 05:51:45 PM
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I think we should clear-out from the discussion of sectarianism.

If so, why then do you relentlessly support this sordid vendetta against Peljor, accusing him without any evidence of “defending sexual abuse”, just because he denounced with tons of evidence infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse?

Why then do you support this sectarian attempt to pit Shugdenpas against other Gelugpas, thus exacerbating an already existent division, thus playing in the hands of those sectarian “rimeypas” at the root of such division, and whose only job here is to revenge their cult leader Sogyal?

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It is not the purpose of this forum to create further conflict with other sects of Tibetan Buddhism.

Which is no reason to protect from criticism malicious “dzogchen” fanboys, who intruded this forum only in order to exacerbate the already existent division among Gelugpas, which they do sordidly attacking Peljor without any evidence, and trying to pit Shugdenpas against other Gelugpas.

Your attempt to protect such sectarian fanboys intent on such a cheap sectarian vendetta shows that your “concern” with creating further sectarian conflicts is insincere, and just a cover for your actual wish to fuel such conflicts.

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The point is Peljor is a trouble maker who continues to create various controversies with his and attack other lamas to draw attention to himself.

So what. Confessed “dzogchen” fanboys are doing much worse on this very forum and thread, and you have just words of support to them.

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And this has to be stopped especially considering his reputation of changing teachers and changing centers, etc.

What's your job with Peljor's reputation and his changing or not teachers and centers?

You should be more concerned with your own support to false and unproven accusations “of defending sexual abuse” levelled against him by confessed dzogchenpa fanboys only in order maliciously to exacerbate the already existent rift among Gelugpas.

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It is best if he just keep quiet and concentrate on his Buddhist studies.

And even better if you refrain from irresponsibly supporting false and unproven accusations, thus playing in the hands of malicious, confessed dzogchen fanboys and Gelugpa-hating sectarianists.
Title: Re: Are dzogchen fanboys trying to use Peljor in order to defame Gelugpas?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 18, 2017, 09:07:47 PM
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Someone sure has a lot of "FREE" time to be dissecting people's words one at a time.

In samsara there is no third choice: one uses one's time either telling lies, as you do, or dissecting them, as I do.

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And talk about hate... Mati you sound like a hater yourself. Fuming in fact.

You just want to make bad propaganda about the joy and fun of dissecting lies, itself a clear sign of your own frustration!

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Such strong words, my-my.

My words are not strong; your lies are weak.

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Is this forum the only thing that keeps you busy?

Why should I look for lies to dissect elsewhere, if you provide so many here?

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I am not about to spoon feed you how Peljor is defending sexual abuse

Which you would do *with pleasure* if only you had any evidence at all!

The fact that you just repeat you empty accusations but never produce your supposed evidence just shows that you have nothing to show anyway, and that you know that what you might call “evidence” is just a piece of crap proving nothing.

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if 99 person out of 100 person sees,

So you call yourself “99 person”, is it?

And all of you “99” can “see”, but cannot produce one single piece of evidence!

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then that 1 person is obviously blind.

Like the child who could not see the new clothes of the foolish king, despite the 99 idiots telling him how beautiful they were!

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I am not going to succumb to you "dare" nonsense, what do you think this is, grade 5? Lol.

I'm aware that according to you showing evidence is “nonsense”. Even a 5th grader could teach you something here!

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There is no point discussing anything with you because you only choose to see in your perspective.

I can see your perspective: the perspective of someone who falsely accuses others without having the guts to show any evidence!

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99 people are wrong and you are right.

Sorry that you still believe that you are “99 people”. Maybe you just want to compensate for your confessed lack of guts with inflated numbers about yourself, or with an imaginary legion of supporters.

Still, even the opinion of 99 people without any evidence would be worthless anyway!

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You must be a Buddha!

If I were a Buddha I would not ask for any evidence in support of your false accusations, as I would see directly that you are lying!

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But Buddhas do not require this much attention

You are giving this much attention because you want; just what I asked for is *evidence*, which you lacked the guts to offer.

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and do not speak so rudely to people when they don't get it or get what they want,

Sorry if just asking evidence in support of your false accusations sounded “rude” to you, but I see that from your perspective of a false accuser this must indeed be the case!

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and get into a fit.

May I remember that it's you upset, not me. Your attempted projection shows the level of your frustration!

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Good luck and good bye to you Miti, .

Why do you say “good bye” if you will keep compulsively blabbering answers?

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I don't think you want really be here to share, discuss and learn, it is more to get everyone to agree with your views

I would happily agree with your views, if only you had any evidence to support them.

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Bottom line, so much said but still not even one single iota of evidence that Peljor has ever “defended sexual abuse”.

This shows that such false, unproven accusations are just a cheap vendetta against Peljor, just because he elsewhere denounced infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse!

And what is worse, such vendetta is waged by confessed “dzogchen” fanboys on this website, in a malicious attempt to pit Shugdenpas against other Gelugpas, and to exacerbate an already existing division among Gelugpas, thus exposing for all to see the sectarian motivation behind this sordid attempt.
Title: Re: Are dzogchen fanboys trying to use Peljor in order to defame Gelugpas?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 18, 2017, 10:28:10 PM
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I dont bother reading what he has to say any more because its just vitriol.

Analysis is toxic to false accusers and liars in general.

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Its clear judging from the volume of his writing and the depth he goes into,

An interesting confession that you favor shallow accusations without proof rather than the careful analysis of such lies, which says a lot about yourself!

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picking apart peoples replies line by line,

Only when they lie, which is obviously what upsets you.

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that hes either got nowt better to do

What's there better to do in samsara than picking lies apart? Maybe you prefer spreading lies, is it?

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or hes got some agenda hes trying to push across.

Of course, the agenda of picking lies.

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The art of communication is about conveying information in a manner that makes the recipient willing to listen but Mitis styles about recording his pennies worth of thoughts and satisfying his need to have the last word.

Sorry if the liar did not insist on their lie, thus giving me the last word.

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Never mind if youve actually read it or not. Thats not the point, he doesnt actually care about that. His tactic is simple - shout you down AND shut you down with as much information as possible, to demonstrate what a brilliant and in-depth analyst he is (if only youd listen, see, so the faults with you for not reading everything  ::) ).

Yawn. Just excuses for the liar's lack of answer.

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Of course, when your not happy, out come the insults about Sogyal

I've never insulted infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal; his own ugly records of serial sexual abuse do the job by themselves.

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and Tsem and all of that.

How ugly, how coward of you! A moderator trying to pit members of this forum against another member, falsely accusing him of insulting a well-loved lama!

Now show your guts if you have any, and show exactly where did I ever “insult” Tsem Tulku?

Or according to you criticizing the sentence “His Holiness, Dorje Shugden is just a small part of me” fits the bill?

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Frankly, hes turned off the lot of us and weve got better things to do like discuss why the Dalai Lamas stayed silent on the topic of Namgyal monks circulating pornography,

The topic of “Namgyal monks circulating pornography” was invented by a Sandra Mesrine who has never shown any evidence in support of her solitary allegations.

This Sandra Mesrine is an activist defamer of traditional Buddhist monastic education. As such, it's clear that she went to far away Namgyal already with plenty of porn in her mind.

And, while she sees so much “porn” among Buddhist monastics in far away India, she strangely fails to see how many Jewish rabbis are guilty of trafficking human organs so near to her in New Jersey, and even makes endearing movies about them!

The evil dalie does silence about many dirty things, such as infamous playboy Sogyal's ugly records of sexual abuse, but I cannot see why he should comment on Sandra Mesrine's pornographic visions!

By the way, this same Sandra Mesrine does not have one word to say about infamous non-monastic playboy Sogyal ugly record of serial sexual abuse (together with her beloved rabbis' traffic of human organs, of course)!

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and why "monks" like Tenzin Peljor think its acceptable to perpetuate this culture of silence.

Silence about what? About Buddhist-hater and rabbi-lover Sandra Mesrine's scandalous pornographic visions in Namgyal? Should he talk about it instead of denouncing infamous playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse? Or is it *you* wanting to perpetuate the culture of silence about infamous playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse?
Title: Re: Are dzogchen fanboys trying to use Peljor in order to defame Gelugpas?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 19, 2017, 01:52:23 AM
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Peljor is obviously avoiding the truth about what is happening in Namgyal monastery

Then your new definition of “truth” are the pornographic visions of “Sandra Mesrine”, a professional hater of Buddhist traditional monasticism who nevertheless makes endearing videos about Jewish rabbis, no matter how many of them are involved in the traffic of human organs, right?

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He is incapable of rationalized the pornography phenomena

The “pornography phenomenon” is only in your and rabbi-lover Sandra Mesrine's minds, and you try to rationalize such phenomenon projecting it on Peljor. How sick!

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and the best thing to do is to avoid it.

What Peljor was supposed to do? To embark in your and Sandra Mesrine's pornographic fantasies?

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Peljor is stupid because everyone knows about it and it is all over the net

Everyone knows all over the net that both you and Sandra Mesrine cannot stop thinking about porn.

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and widely spread within the Tibetan community.

You know a lot about pornography within the Tibetan community! Did you learn it from Sandra Mesrine?

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In case some of you may be wondering since his site is supposed to police all the DON'Ts in the Buddhist scene and he didn't mention anything about the Namgyal monastery pornography phenomena, this is one of the many whys.

Rather the opposite: you mention the pornography topic, which only exists in your and Sandra Mesrine's minds, because you want to cover infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse.

The funny thing here is that the original accusation against Peljor was “defending sexual abuse”. Since there was no act of abuse, no abused person, and no evidence at all of any abuse, the accusation now shifted to merely “silencing about pornography”, while there is no evidence of such pornography, apart from your and Sandra Mesrine's agitated minds.

Should Peljor write blogs descrbing the porn in your mind? Are you not already aware enough of it? Is Peljor your sex therapist? Even if he were, is he supposed to describe your obsession with porn in public?

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Another one is that he himself is doing the same thing

Is he? How do you know? Or are you just fantasizing about Peljor's private life? Is he at the root of your obsession with porn?

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and there are no reasons to bring it up since he obviously thinks that it is not important.

But since obviously porn is obviously very important to you, why do you blame Peljor for your own addiction?

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Afterall, we are all born in the desire realm and we should all have desires and it is acceptable because Peljor is guilty of it.

Porn makes you feel guilty? Accusing Peljor is your method to relieve yourself (from your feeling of guilt, I mean)?

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Come to think of it, his height and small built could due to malnutrition for playing himself too much and so he didn't grow properly.

Trying to ridicule someone else's physical features is often an ugly, primitive attempt to overcome unreciprocated love. Maybe you look for a good therapist.

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It is so pathetic that we have so many negative things to talk about Peljor

Like porn, whatever negative you have to say about others is just in your mind.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: KarmaRangdrol on July 19, 2017, 02:03:48 AM
I think someone's missed their daily dose ???
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 19, 2017, 02:14:33 AM
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I think someone's missed their daily dose

Sure. This someone is you, and that's why you came over here. And now that you got it just relax and enjoy.
Title: Re:Are dzogchen fanboys trying to use Peljor in order to defame Gelugpas?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 19, 2017, 04:39:54 AM
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Sounds like a special elite group of monks... and so streamlined are their studies that they have time for porn lol.

Interesting how you have cowardly and silently abandoned your unproven, false accusations of Peljor's “defending sexual abuse” in favor of the current mere gossips about “porn” in Namgyal! 

What is even more interesting is how your idle sexual gossip about “porn” in Namgyal is itself solely based on your oracle of truth, the rabbi-lover Sandra Mesrine own pornographic visions!

Whether cowardly accusing without evidence, or gossiping about your own pornographic fantasies, the fact remains that your only intent is to wage a cheap vendetta against Peljor, just because he denounced infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's ugly records of sexual abuse.

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So of course Dalai Lama cannot say anything and turns a blind eye and ear... unless someone starts exposing it all over the media.

Wrong. Even after infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse were exposed all over the media, his pal the evil dalie, just like you, kept turning a blind eye to them.

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As for Peljor... why is he accepting it... simple he is probably watching such things himself!

Is there something else in your mind apart from porn?

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Ha! I would not be surprised, all we have to do is take one look at his blog site, you will know what kind of character we're dealing with. Nothing DHarmic about Peljor, just gossip, scandals, schism and lies.

And still the one who cannot stop talking about porn is you, not Peljor!

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I think someone from Sogyal side pissed him off or told him off for something he did and that is why he is writing all the nasty things about Sogyal, because this thing about Sogyal sex scandals is OLD NEWS, why did he suddenly rehashed it and start spreading it? I sense there is an ulterior motive here.

Now you have revealed yourself. Your only concern here is indeed to cover infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse, whence your own need falsely to accuse Peljor of the same, and since the trick did not work (because you could not prove your accusation), your subsequent need to  resort to the ignoble, debauched gossip about how you imagine Peljor's sexual tastes and habits!

Besides, as long as infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse are not publicly cleaned they will never be “old news” as you desperately want them to be, and your brazen attempt to ignore, cover, and dismiss such records shows that you are exactly what you accuse Peljor of being, to wit, a shameless, bold-faced defender of sexual abuse.
Title: Re: Are Shugden-hating “dzogchen” fanboys trying to further divide Gelugpas?
Post by: Matibhadra on July 19, 2017, 04:31:09 PM
And here is the bottom line of this thread: infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal never ever came clean about his ugly record of serial sexual abuse, a fact to which Peljor rightly drew attention, and therefore infamous playboy Sogyal's fanboys and fangirls waged a cheap vendetta against Peljor, falsely and without any evidence accusing him precisely of what they do themselves, to wit, of defending and silencing about sexual abuse, and, of course, taking the opportunity to pit Shugdenpas against other Gelugpas, thus maliciously exacerbating the already existent division amongst Gelugpas, and thus serving their own odious sectarianist “dzogchen” supremacism, itself at the very root of the anti-Shugden witch-hunt.
Title: Re: Are Shugden-hating “dzogchen” fanboys trying to further divide Gelugpas?
Post by: Big Uncle on July 21, 2017, 11:09:25 PM
And here is the bottom line of this thread: infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal never ever came clean about his ugly record of serial sexual abuse, a fact to which Peljor rightly drew attention, and therefore infamous playboy Sogyal's fanboys and fangirls waged a cheap vendetta against Peljor, falsely and without any evidence accusing him precisely of what they do themselves, to wit, of defending and silencing about sexual abuse, and, of course, taking the opportunity to pit Shugdenpas against other Gelugpas, thus maliciously exacerbating the already existent division amongst Gelugpas, and thus serving their own odious sectarianist “dzogchen” supremacism, itself at the very root of the anti-Shugden witch-hunt.

I don't think you get what this is all about. It has got nothing about Sogyal as he is guilty but it has got everything to do with Peljor's motives in serving salicious news just to earn a viewership on his blog. He may have turned away from Shugden lama and issue but thats because he is constantly looking for more content of such nature. It's  just a matter of time before he starts another round at Shugden issues and lamas. In other words, its all about Peljor, who is a monk and not suppose to be doing this. First of all, a monk shouldn't be going around looking for smut and second of all, is there ultimately, all the smut and mudslinging from Peljor is not going to do anybody good for Buddhism as a whole regardless of whether Sogyal is truly guilty or not.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Ringo Starr on July 23, 2017, 09:18:19 AM
Why has whichever monastery that allowed TP's ordination not taken any action to publicly admonish or disrobe him? Just asking...
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: PrajNa on July 26, 2017, 08:12:33 AM
Peljor is taking advantage of the recent events happening at RIGPA and is attacking Sogyal Rinpoche again.

(https://preview.ibb.co/ejdD25/Peljor_website_01.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/mApZaQ/Peljor_website_02.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/mR6Qh5/Peljor_website_03.jpg)
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: pemachen on July 26, 2017, 10:47:21 AM
Why has whichever monastery that allowed TP's ordination not taken any action to publicly admonish or disrobe him? Just asking...
He doesn't belong to a monastery, but he is a resident teacher in a centre in Germany. I was reading through some client cases and came across this. Perhaps this explains why there is such obsession towards sexual abuse on his blog.


(https://i.imgur.com/Y1v0b4w.jpg)


Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: KarmaRangdrol on July 29, 2017, 01:38:55 AM
Why has whichever monastery that allowed TP's ordination not taken any action to publicly admonish or disrobe him? Just asking...
He doesn't belong to a monastery, but he is a resident teacher in a centre in Germany. I was reading through some client cases and came across this. Perhaps this explains why there is such obsession towards sexual abuse on his blog.

(https://i.imgur.com/Y1v0b4w.jpg)

I have noticed that too, that weird obsession with sexual abuse and the like. It's the same story with him and his group of friends who only talk about sexual abuse, sexual acts, people disrobing due to sexual misconduct.

Sex is one of the things they use to criticize the New Kadampa Tradition. Tenzin Peljor and his rabid gang say that some New Kadampa monks and nuns ran off with one another and that reflects the standards of their geshe's teachings. They simultaneously claim that New Kadampa 'sangha' are not fully ordained. So if that's the case, what does it say about the Dalai Lama when monks they accept as fully ordained are circulating pornography in his personal Namgyal Monastery?

It's just always sex, sex, sex. Can't help but think they're sexually repressed or something (amirite or amirite?). Look if Peljor wants to make sexual abuse his thing, that's up to him but the 'monk' needs to play fair if he's really out to expose sexual abuse like SOME people on this thread claim, and not have some personal vendetta against people who are more successful than him (and that list is LONG). If Peljor's on a crusade to rid Tibetan Buddhism of sexual abuse, he should start with Namgyal Monastery too, for staying silent and sanctioning the circulation of pornography in the monastery.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: aboutthetruth on July 29, 2017, 02:12:23 AM
He doesn't belong to a monastery, but he is a resident teacher in a centre in Germany. I was reading through some client cases and came across this. Perhaps this explains why there is such obsession towards sexual abuse on his blog.

(https://i.imgur.com/Y1v0b4w.jpg)

Sounds failed to me. Guess it must rub him the wrong way that he who acts as though he is so learned and in-the-know, is unrecognised, unrewarded and unacknowledged. And that begs the question of whether you think Peljor sits in his room all day romanticising himself to be some kind of online crusader for the truth. In reality, he's nothing more than a cyberbully masquerading as a monk and defending alleged sexual abuse? While the rest of us can be excused for our behaviour, I think we should be allowed to hold him to a higher standard since he took those vows and should actually attempt to hold them.

And that includes being clear in his words. Sexual abuse is wrong, even in the Dalai Lama's monastery where lewd material is being openly circulated. Imagine if a female visitor were to find these materials and how their faith might be affected by this. Yet the Namgyal Monastery authorities stay silent, and people like Peljor allow it to happen because it's the Dalai Lama's monastery, and therefore the Dalai Lama and his monks are exempt from being held accountable for this atrocious behaviour. And since that's the case, it is as good as defending sexual abuse when they fail to condemn it.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: pemachen on July 29, 2017, 04:59:58 AM

And that includes being clear in his words. Sexual abuse is wrong, even in the Dalai Lama's monastery where lewd material is being openly circulated. Imagine if a female visitor were to find these materials and how their faith might be affected by this. Yet the Namgyal Monastery authorities stay silent, and people like Peljor allow it to happen because it's the Dalai Lama's monastery, and therefore the Dalai Lama and his monks are exempt from being held accountable for this atrocious behaviour. And since that's the case, it is as good as defending sexual abuse when they fail to condemn it.

In a way, Tenzin Peljor is also one of Dalai Lama's monk. He makes sure that everybody knows that by stating it clearly on his website, and that the Sangha of Namgyal Monastery Thekchen Choeling granted full ordination to him. The quality of monks in Namgyal Monastery is questionable if a Gelong is someone of Tenzin Peljor's character. I am ashamed to say that this is a fully ordained monk, a Buddhist monastic observing the entire Vinaya.

(https://preview.ibb.co/hhjEUk/peljor_ordination.png)


The Dhammapada states that,"He is not a monk just because he lives on others' alms. Not by adopting outward form does one become a true monk. Whoever here (in the Dispensation) lives a holy life, transcending both merit and demerit, and walks with understanding in this world — he is truly called a monk.

Seems he spends most of his time writing negatively about others to bring attention to his website and facebook to feel some self-worth, or to be seen close to the Dalai Lama or famous teachers because he himself is not one  8) Very different from other Gelongs I know, who spend their time teaching or meditating.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Big Uncle on July 30, 2017, 06:26:20 PM
I have been seeing a lot of news on this previously unknown Western monk here and I often wonder whats going on? From the looks of it, he is a teaching monk but of little repute and I am guessing, his teaching career has not taken off.

From the look of the varied controversial news he posts on his blog, he is not really into the Dharma and that he is getting some kind of gratification from receiving comments and feedback. It is definitely not for any cause because he keeps changing from Shugden lamas to commentating on various sexual-related cases. It's sad that a monk would see a need to do this in order to get some sort of attention.

Furthermore, there is an allegation of his own sexual preference which may explain his clarion call for attention as he is not getting any as a monk. It's just too bad and both aspects compound each other and compels this so-called monk by the name of Tenzin Peljor to act accordingly. We can only hope that he will come to terms that he will never be famous but at least be a good monk, hold his vows well and generate tremendous merits through retreats. That would way better than what he is doing right now.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: AshRao on July 30, 2017, 10:48:18 PM
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I have been seeing a lot of news on this previously unknown Western monk here and I often wonder whats going on? From the looks of it, he is a teaching monk but of little repute and I am guessing, his teaching career has not taken off.

Big Uncle, you have a very valid point. I think it has been mentioned previously, but he is not well-known at all. If he was as big and great of a teacher like her portrays I think more people would have heard his name by now. I wonder if he has published any books or videos of any of his classes. I'm not sure if he has or not, but i certainly have not seen them, neither has anyone i know, both in person or online, and i've been asking around a lot since i saw this post about him originally.

As others have rightly concluded, it seems all he does is talk about controversial subjects, trying to seem all holy. But the very reason he is so embroiled in these speaks volumes about his character. Which is that all he is after is attention, in any way he can.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: michaela on August 01, 2017, 02:30:45 PM
I think Peljor seriously need help. For many years now he has been shooting at everyone except for the Lama that he is currently trying to align himself with at the time. Now that he is trying to align himself with the famous Dalai Lama, Peljor is making the most of it. He is riding on the Dalai Lama's popularity. Unfortunately, this does not make him a qualified teacher. The truth is a real qualified teacher does not need to jump from one controversy to another just to make sure people pay attention to him. A real teacher focus on real Dharma and the students' welfare.

Nothing that Peljor do suggest that he is a good teacher. No wonder the number of his students does not grow that much after so many years proclaiming himself as a Dharma teacher.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: dsnowlion on August 01, 2017, 03:55:43 PM
Furthermore, there is an allegation of his own sexual preference which may explain his clarion call for attention as he is not getting any as a monk. It's just too bad and both aspects compound each other and compels this so-called monk by the name of Tenzin Peljor to act accordingly. We can only hope that he will come to terms that he will never be famous but at least be a good monk, hold his vows well and generate tremendous merits through retreats. That would way better than what he is doing right now.

Oh this is something I did not think of and it makes a lot of sense in a way why he needs soooo much attention and so much drama in his online life because not getting any in real life! LOL Sorry to say but if this monk is wanting to go around a gossip, [email protected]#h and slander and slam other Dharma teachers, I do not think he is such a great, kind monk and karma does come back! So I truly truly hope for his own good, he would at least wear the robes of a monk and act like one, otherwise, bring out the parade and rainbows. Better to be himself then to pretend to be a sangah... why tarnish Buddhism please Peljor!
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: DharmaDefender on August 02, 2017, 12:47:00 AM
I have been seeing a lot of news on this previously unknown Western monk here and I often wonder whats going on? From the looks of it, he is a teaching monk but of little repute and I am guessing, his teaching career has not taken off.

From the look of the varied controversial news he posts on his blog, he is not really into the Dharma and that he is getting some kind of gratification from receiving comments and feedback. It is definitely not for any cause because he keeps changing from Shugden lamas to commentating on various sexual-related cases. It's sad that a monk would see a need to do this in order to get some sort of attention.

Furthermore, there is an allegation of his own sexual preference which may explain his clarion call for attention as he is not getting any as a monk. It's just too bad and both aspects compound each other and compels this so-called monk by the name of Tenzin Peljor to act accordingly. We can only hope that he will come to terms that he will never be famous but at least be a good monk, hold his vows well and generate tremendous merits through retreats. That would way better than what he is doing right now.


No he hasnt gotten far from what I can tell. Yknow mate the diff between him and us is that were not trying to pass ourselves off as summit were not. But youve got this fella running bout the place in robes, pretending hes a monk and a teacher, and acting like hes the next messiah. Meanwhile hes attacking people he claims are sexual abusers but he doesnt apply his same sexual abuse principles to all. Wots he doing about the monks in Namgyal Monastery circulating porn, how come hes said nowt about that? Because its the Dalai Lamas monastery, its okay? No it does not work that way.

And wots he doing about the sexual abuse allegations that have arrisen with the various organisations? Does he encourage the alleged victims towards counselling or does he just blog about it, and rehash their pain over and over again just to get traffic for his own blog? I think Ive said this before but it warrants a mention again and that is Peljors not the solution oriented sort. Hes like my nan in fact. She loves a good natter over a cup of tea and thats about it really. Stops there and theres no consideration about the people shes discussing and how they can get help if they need it. Shes a lovely bird, my nan is, just not very compassionate.

No, Peljors got to stop saying hes a monk and trying to pass himself off as a teacher. Your not a monk when you try and profit off other peoples misery, whether its for traffic, reputation or fame.

PELJOR, YOUR NOT THE MESSIAH! YOUR A VERY NAUGHTY BOY!  ;D

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Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Rowntree on August 03, 2017, 07:37:51 AM
Big Uncle, you have a very valid point. I think it has been mentioned previously, but he is not well-known at all. If he was as big and great of a teacher like her portrays I think more people would have heard his name by now. I wonder if he has published any books or videos of any of his classes. I'm not sure if he has or not, but i certainly have not seen them, neither has anyone i know, both in person or online, and i've been asking around a lot since i saw this post about him originally.

Yes, he had some videos published on Youtube but very sad ones, with a handful of people attended. I mean there is still a market for him, but at the rate he is going, I don't think he will go very far. He doesn't understand the real essence of success is actually to be a real practitioner, to become the living dharma that inspires others. What he does is totally the opposite, promoting himself and focusing on getting fame and of course money. He has been living off the name of dharma by wearing the robes. It is really an easy life to camouflage all his negative qualities with the robes without needing to practice genuinely. Furthermore, he hops around dharma centres so he will always be new to the people and will take some time for people to finally see his negative threads. He has a few years to leech off others until people find out his thread then he will leave. This is the trend.

It will be really good that he comes to terms with his own thread and really practise the dharma and be a real dharma practitioner.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: dsnowlion on August 03, 2017, 08:03:33 AM

And wots he doing about the sexual abuse allegations that have arrisen with the various organisations? Does he encourage the alleged victims towards counselling or does he just blog about it, and rehash their pain over and over again just to get traffic for his own blog? I think Ive said this before but it warrants a mention again and that is Peljors not the solution oriented sort. Hes like my nan in fact. She loves a good natter over a cup of tea and thats about it really. Stops there and theres no consideration about the people shes discussing and how they can get help if they need it. Shes a lovely bird, my nan is, just not very compassionate.

No, Peljors got to stop saying hes a monk and trying to pass himself off as a teacher. Your not a monk when you try and profit off other peoples misery, whether its for traffic, reputation or fame.

PELJOR, YOUR NOT THE MESSIAH! YOUR A VERY NAUGHTY BOY!  ;D

You have a point there Dharma Defender... ALL Peljor and his group of senior citizens nanny is complain, complain, complain but what are they actually doing about the problem they complain? What steps or solutions do they have except their less than 50cents worth of opinion? The world does NOT revolve around their great opinion, like who do they think they are, why would ANYONE care to Listen to them? What centre have they built, open up? How many thousands of followers do they have? What qualifies them to be the so called "judge" or to even have credit to talk?

How can anyone believe in someone who skipped and hop around with so many Gurus. Not only did he quit his Guru... he goes around talking bad things and creating more negative karma and schism! What kind of monk does that? If he knew the DHarma, he would know that is a No No and a huge negative karma he is collecting there! But I guess like what DD has pointed, he is clearly just a VERY NAUGHTY BOY... no not a monk, sorry. People like him should never be a monk, they shame Buddhism and bring it down.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Gabby Potter on August 03, 2017, 11:09:14 AM
I have been seeing a lot of news on this previously unknown Western monk here and I often wonder whats going on? From the looks of it, he is a teaching monk but of little repute and I am guessing, his teaching career has not taken off.

From the look of the varied controversial news he posts on his blog, he is not really into the Dharma and that he is getting some kind of gratification from receiving comments and feedback. It is definitely not for any cause because he keeps changing from Shugden lamas to commentating on various sexual-related cases. It's sad that a monk would see a need to do this in order to get some sort of attention.

Furthermore, there is an allegation of his own sexual preference which may explain his clarion call for attention as he is not getting any as a monk. It's just too bad and both aspects compound each other and compels this so-called monk by the name of Tenzin Peljor to act accordingly. We can only hope that he will come to terms that he will never be famous but at least be a good monk, hold his vows well and generate tremendous merits through retreats. That would way better than what he is doing right now.


No he hasnt gotten far from what I can tell. Yknow mate the diff between him and us is that were not trying to pass ourselves off as summit were not. But youve got this fella running bout the place in robes, pretending hes a monk and a teacher, and acting like hes the next messiah. Meanwhile hes attacking people he claims are sexual abusers but he doesnt apply his same sexual abuse principles to all. Wots he doing about the monks in Namgyal Monastery circulating porn, how come hes said nowt about that? Because its the Dalai Lamas monastery, its okay? No it does not work that way.

And wots he doing about the sexual abuse allegations that have arrisen with the various organisations? Does he encourage the alleged victims towards counselling or does he just blog about it, and rehash their pain over and over again just to get traffic for his own blog? I think Ive said this before but it warrants a mention again and that is Peljors not the solution oriented sort. Hes like my nan in fact. She loves a good natter over a cup of tea and thats about it really. Stops there and theres no consideration about the people shes discussing and how they can get help if they need it. Shes a lovely bird, my nan is, just not very compassionate.

No, Peljors got to stop saying hes a monk and trying to pass himself off as a teacher. Your not a monk when you try and profit off other peoples misery, whether its for traffic, reputation or fame.

PELJOR, YOUR NOT THE MESSIAH! YOUR A VERY NAUGHTY BOY!  ;D

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That's a very good point there @DharmaDefender. A real dharma teacher will not openly defame others no matter how wrong they are, and of course a real teacher also will not create a blog solely to discuss and create schisms about another lama or person. Peljor is not practising the Buddha dharma at all, he should really stop calling himself a monk and further create more karma for committing in all these negative actions daily. A REAL dharma teacher focuses on one's own practice, I mean do you see great masters such as Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche running around creating schisms and separating people? With all the respect, Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche with his caliber, does not go around bragging and showing off unlike what Peljor does. Peljor really has to work on himself...
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Pema8 on August 06, 2017, 10:32:08 AM
There is a real problem as some do not choose Dharma but are ashaming themselves.

On one hand side criticising the Dalai Lama and his monastery and on the other side referring to him.
Peljor, what kind of monk are you?

It does not seem that you are 'quality' sangha as they would learn, meditate and practice. 
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: dsnowlion on August 08, 2017, 06:33:06 AM
There is a real problem as some do not choose Dharma but are ashaming themselves.

On one hand side criticising the Dalai Lama and his monastery and on the other side referring to him.
Peljor, what kind of monk are you?

It does not seem that you are 'quality' sangha as they would learn, meditate and practice.

So then NOT to follow the Dalai Lama's advised does not necessarily mean that the motivation is bad is what he is saying right? So this means ALL the Dorje Shugden Lamas who did not follow the Dalai Lama's advised to abandoned Dorje Shugden and their Gurus is also - NOT NECESSARY BAD. So WHY on earth do YOU Peljor discriminate them? Why do you say one thing and do another or TWIST it to your CONVENIENCE? Because....

1. You are do not advocate the truth
2. You are a liar
3. You are not a true Buddhist forget about monk
4. You are not loyal to anyone, not even your own Gurus
5. You are in this for ulterior motives, not spiritual... it is for your own benefit - income perhaps? fame?
6. You are not a true sangha
7. You are delusional
8. You are not well
9. You are not a scholar
10. You are just bitter, jealous, angry monk who has nothing and is dying for some kind of attention and recognition and hence you make trouble for anyone you think in your little projections is wrong and write nasty things about them. Thinking the world cares about your little opinion. Oh my gosh talk about no life... also no career and a totally failed dharma teacher. Because real dharma teachers do not go around creating nasty, defamation blog sites! They do not have time to do that because they are busy benefiting the world not adding more grief into it!
Title: Re: were Sogyal's fanboys attacking Peljor in order to cover Sogyal's depravity?
Post by: Matibhadra on August 15, 2017, 05:57:58 AM
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I don't think you get what this is all about.

To be more precise, you don't think at all.

Which is why you have been duped into accusing Peljor of what he did not do (such as defending sexual abuse) just in order to cover Sogyal's depravity and sexual abuse.

You have been used by Sogyal's minions, and could not realize it.

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It has got nothing about Sogyal as he is guilty but it has got everything to do with Peljor's motives in serving salicious news just to earn a viewership on his blog.

Wrong. This thread was only and strictly a desperate, futile attempt, to cover Sogyal's depravity and sexual abuse.

And the chosen method to achieve this end was falsely accusing Peljor of defending sexual abuse, a false accusation you have been duped into joining.

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He may have turned away from Shugden lama and issue but thats because he is constantly looking for more content of such nature.

It's irrelevant whether or not Peljor “turned away from Shugden lama and issue”.

What matters here is that Peljor has been falsely accused of “defending sexual abuse”, and that you have been fooled into joining this false accusation.

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It's  just a matter of time before he starts another round at Shugden issues and lamas.

Who cares. Is this a reason falsely to accuse him of defending sexual abuse?

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In other words, its all about Peljor, who is a monk and not suppose to be doing this.

What is he supposed to do? Falsely to accuse others as you do? Or to cover Sogyal's depravity as you similarly do?

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First of all, a monk shouldn't be going around looking for smut and second of all, is there ultimately, all the smut and mudslinging from Peljor is not going to do anybody good for Buddhism as a whole regardless of whether Sogyal is truly guilty or not.

Instead of unaskedly patrolling others' behavior, why don't you patrol your own behavior, and refrain from falsely accusing others just in order to cover a fake lama's depravity?
Title: Re: were Sogyal's fanboys attacking Peljor in order to cover Sogyal's depravity?
Post by: Matibhadra on August 15, 2017, 06:41:36 AM
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I have noticed that too, that weird obsession with sexual abuse and the like. It's the same story with him and his group of friends who only talk about sexual abuse, sexual acts, people disrobing due to sexual misconduct.

Funny enough this whole tread is about accusing someone (Peljor) of sexual abuse, an accusation you revelatory you delight on.

Therefore, it's obvious that your purpose here is falsely to accuse Peljor just in order cover Sogyal's depravity and sexual abuse.

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They simultaneously claim that New Kadampa 'sangha' are not fully ordained. So if that's the case, what does it say about the Dalai Lama when monks they accept as fully ordained are circulating pornography in his personal Namgyal Monastery?

Are they? What's your evidence, beyond notorious rabbi-lover and anti-Buddhist activist Sandra Mesrine's irresponsible statements?

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It's just always sex, sex, sex. Can't help but think they're sexually repressed or something (amirite or amirite?).

What about you, considering that your main concern is falsely to accuse Peljor precisely of... defending sexual abuse!

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Look if Peljor wants to make sexual abuse his thing, that's up to him but the 'monk' needs to play fair if he's really out to expose sexual abuse like SOME people on this thread claim,

How should the monk play “fair”? Covering Sogyal's depravity and sexual abuse as you do?

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and not have some personal vendetta against people who are more successful than him (and that list is LONG).

Are you suggesting that disgraced cult leader and sexual abuser Sogyal is successful? Or that the only motivation to denounce sexual abuse is some personal vendetta?

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If Peljor's on a crusade to rid Tibetan Buddhism of sexual abuse, he should start with Namgyal Monastery too, for staying silent and sanctioning the circulation of pornography in the monastery.

Again, where is your evidence beyond notorious rabbi-lover and anti-Buddhist activist Sandra Mesrine's irresponsible statement?

Besides, have you ever checked the porn pictures behind your disgraced dzogchen cult leader and sexual abuser Sogyal's thangkas?

Your slanderous attempt blanketly to disparage pure monks without any evidence betray your rabid anti-monastic hatred, doubtlessly inspired by your disgraced “dzogchen” cult leader and sexual abuser Sogyal.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on August 15, 2017, 07:52:48 AM
This whole thread has been exposed as noting but a cheap vendetta against Gelugpa monks and monasticism waged by rabid minions of disgraced Nyingmapa cult leader and sexual abuser Sogyal.

False accusations of “sexual abuse” were leveled against Peljor, a Gelugpa monk, just because he denounced Soyal's depravity and serial sexual abuses.

Besides, insidious accusations of “circulating porn” were blanketly leveled against Namgyal monastery's pure Gelugpa monks without the slightest tint of evidence.

The perfidious intention to disparage Gelugpas, to pit Shugdenpas against other Gelugpas, and to exacerbate the already painful division among Gelugpas was quite evident.

The sectarian motivation behind such a schema was obvious: demeaning and further dividing Gelugpas while covering the corrupt, depraved behavior of the Nyingma cult leader Sogyal.

Here follows an interesting witness to the sectarian motivation behind this dirty plot (please check the full article here https://behindthethangkas.wordpress.com/2011/11/20/7-conquering-america/)
 
“Victoria Barlow encountered Sogyal on his first visit to the West Coast.  According to Victoria, he aired views which are diametrically opposed to his present role as a champion of the Dalai Lama, who belongs to the monastic Gelug school. Sogyal is a Nyingmapa– an older, largely non-celibate tradition.

Sogyal loathed the Gelugpas and the DL,“ she says, “ I heard him in Berkeley being a staggering sectarian hater — he expressed real rage to all who would listen, trashing the Dalai Lama.”


This is the reality, dear friends. The destructive, poisonous, relentless anti-Gelugpa, anti-Shugden campaign we all know about has its roots nowhere apart from the circle of corrupt Nyingma dirty politicians such as the depraved cult leader Sogyal. The power greedy, opportunistic, fake dalie lame, anxious to consolidate his personal political power, gave in to the sectarian demands of those dirty Nyingma politicians, and in order to appease them enforced the anti-Gelugpa, anti-Shugden ban destroying our tradition.

Now the depraved cult leader Sogyal duly entered the garbage bin of Buddhist records where he has always belonged. May his accomplice the abominable puppet the evil dalie follow him soon.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Gabby Potter on August 19, 2017, 04:50:17 AM
Peljor should really disrobe and stop humiliating Buddhism and monkhood. He's setting such a bad example for people who merely know anything about dharma and what he does it that, he further drifts people away from dharma through his actions. Wake up Peljor! Stop collecting bad karma!
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on August 19, 2017, 05:07:08 AM
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Peljor should really disrobe and stop humiliating Buddhism and monkhood.

Whatever Peljor is doing wrong cannot be compared to the wrong done by several members of this forum including you who falsely accused him as you do right now of “defending sexual abuse” just in order to cover the infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's depravity and sexual abuses.
Title: Re: Another dzogchen celebrity defending sexual abuse
Post by: Matibhadra on August 19, 2017, 05:47:47 AM
Another “rimey” dzogchen celebrity defending sexual abuse. Now Dzongsar brazenly supports depraved Sogyal, and people keep falsely accusing Peljor of “defending sexual abuse”!

Copy-pasted from Peljor's website at https://buddhism-controversy-blog.com/2017/08/18/on-dzongsar-khyentse-rinpoches-statement-from-a-reader-of-the-new-york-times/:

Guest Post By Joanne Clark
 
As a woman living in a Western country with laws, as a liberal with a subscription to The New York Times, and as a follower of HH Dalai Lama, I found the recent statement from Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche regarding the troubles at Rigpa to be deeply disturbing. I stopped reading after he said that students who spoke out against Sogyal Rinpoche’s behaviours had broken samaya—and that Vajrayana masters might even break Western laws if they needed to and there was nothing students could do. There was a moment, after reading this, when I had the feeling that I could no longer continue as a Buddhist. I felt physically ill.

THOUGH THE VIEW SHOULD BE AS VAST AS THE SKY, KEEP YOUR CONDUCT AS FINE AS BARLEY FLOUR. – PADMASAMBHAVA

Then I regained my perspective and remembered that Rinpoche had advised readers to finish reading all 10,000 words of his article before judging. So I thought maybe he had something to say that would ameliorate his horrible claim. I slogged on through. What did I find? After dropping what I considered to be an ethical bombshell, he simply continued blithely onto other subjects. He distracted. By the time he finished, the main point—that a Tibetan, Vajrayana lama, who had been given asylum in a law-abiding, Western country, could break the laws of that country, could rape and beat women, and if his students spoke out, they would go to hell—was lost.

I am not saying that Rinpoche doesn’t make some good points in the article, though he makes some points that I question and some points that seem a little trivial to my mind. I mean, I really don’t think that the press treat Buddhists badly or are to be blamed for this situation! Nonetheless, none of the points he makes speak directly to the fact that students are being harmed. None of them show any compassion or concern that suffering might be occurring. All of them are mere shiny objects that distract from that point. Students then find some distractions or antidotes that they like, such as the point that we have to communicate better or that lamas have to warn students about Vajrayana—or the quips about the New York Times—and then they forget the main point.

THIS IS NOT A MOVIE. THIS IS ABOUT SENTIENT BEINGS WHO ARE SUFFERING, REALLY SUFFERING, AND NEEDING CLEAR GUIDANCE AT THIS TIME.

And once people start losing their outrage and being distracted in this way, then momentum is lost. Students slogging through all 10,000 words of this article become side-tracked and lose their shock. They forget that this is about fellow students being harmed—and about students who would defend them being silenced. Their clear ideas of right and wrong are diminished. I cannot help but wonder if this isn’t an intentional strategy—why else did he request that students read the entire article? Why did he refuse to have it edited? I cannot help but wonder if this is not the first step towards business as usual at Rigpa centers.

And in the context of the clear, economical statements made by HH Dalai Lama and Mingyur Rinpoche, this rambling, disconnected rant seems very troublesome. And I fear that while, Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche might act very hip, he is clearly coming from an ancient, misogynistic view point and students need to not lose sight of that. Women have worked too hard to get where we are now. Rape is rape and it is not the victim’s fault. This stand has taken millennia to sort out and as a woman, I appeal to students: Don’t let yourself be duped!

Of course, Vajrayana is meant to be practiced in secret with a few qualified students and a highly qualified master. When this happens, it is a truly precious path and rules of samaya and pure perception can be upheld in unexpected ways. The stories of Milarepa and Naropa are examples of that. However, when the qualifications of the Vajra masters erode badly and when the Vajrayana is given to unqualified students, then it is hard to speak of pure perception. Then it’s a difficult situation, not one that can be resolved by black and white rules of samaya, such as the ones laid down by Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche in his article. There is no clear-cut solution. Then we need the guidance of clear sighted, gifted leaders who are prepared to take courageous steps.

This is not a movie. This is about sentient beings who are suffering, really suffering, and needing clear guidance at this time. They are needing to retain their discerning wisdom and compassion, which are the bases of the strength and courage required by the Mahayana and Vajrayana. And wrong is wrong. To say otherwise, in the context of pure perception, borders on nihilism in my very humble opinion. It puts blinkers over our eyes, eyes that we need in order to navigate our way to enlightenment.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: DharmaDefender on August 20, 2017, 12:06:42 AM
Well thats illogical, using an anti-Shugden persons website who has made a career out of criticising and destroying our practice, to support your point 8) yeah the fella who walks around taking pictures of our protestors to send to Dharamsala and sets up fake accounts under the pseudonym "Blake Smith" is a credible source :) let it go mate, your not convincing anyone here.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: DharmaDefender on August 20, 2017, 12:07:27 AM
infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's depravity and sexual abuses.

You sound like Peljor.

Abusing the robes isnt as bad as whats going on on this forum? Interesting perspective. Your the only one defending him. Maybe you are Peljor posting on this forum. Wouldnt surprise me.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: dsnowlion on August 20, 2017, 06:09:05 PM
infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's depravity and sexual abuses.

You sound like Peljor.

Abusing the robes isnt as bad as whats going on on this forum? Interesting perspective. Your the only one defending him. Maybe you are Peljor posting on this forum. Wouldnt surprise me.

DharmaDefender it sounds possible actually OR maybe he is paid by Peljor? Who knows. So much passion in defending Dalai Lama's puppet "Peljor", yet he condemns Dalai Lama? Sounds very off to me!
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: michaela on August 20, 2017, 07:43:44 PM
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Peljor should really disrobe and stop humiliating Buddhism and monkhood.

Whatever Peljor is doing wrong cannot be compared to the wrong done by several members of this forum including you who falsely accused him as you do right now of “defending sexual abuse” just in order to cover the infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's depravity and sexual abuses.

I do believe that this blog post is not about Sogyal Rinpoche or his lawsuits. I think this is about Peljor and how he is always creating controversy after controversy to draw attention to himself. Prior to Sogyal Rinpoche, Peljor has been riding on other controversies that defame other people. He has changed teachers many times and now he is rubbing shoulder with the Dalai Lama because he is a famous and powerful lama. With his flimsy track record, what kind of examples that he is giving to his students or the people he influenced? That is the very reason why he has to go back to school and learn Dharma sincerely and seriously.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Rowntree on January 14, 2018, 02:13:53 AM
I read about this article on the misinterpretation on the guru-relationship where it touches very briefly on the Dalai Lama's ban on Dorje Shugden. Within the content, it highlights Sogyal's sexual scandal and how it should be avoided. It suggested the need to check the teacher out before we choose to follow a guru. https://tricycle.org/magazine/quit-guru-yoga/

Having a teacher like Peljor, it discouraged people, especially those in the West to have much lesser faith in the Dharma which source is one's guru. The lack of understanding on the Tibetan's culture, the guru-student relationship has caused so much problem in the West, they just need to know not everyone is a Chogyam Trungpa and has what it takes to train student the way he does.

For Peljor, as long it gives him a chance to be in the limelight, he wouldn't mind to support anything even if it is wrong. He supports just everything and they are all seen on his sites and social media accounts. He is always the first to say something NEGATIVE always to make sure he gets the first say and be 'quoted'.

Having a few sites do not necessarily means he is 'famous' and really 'practise' the Dharma, and can be a teacher one can learn from. Peljor is definitely not and you will end up on the wrong path learning from him. The contents on his sites is nothing but like a venom that spread wrong views and add further sufferings on to many already disturbed mind. Why should he continue at all?
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: KarmaRangdrol on March 01, 2018, 09:07:04 PM
Peljor and his gang really seem to enjoy supporting and associating with sex offenders. What excuse are they going to make now? Not satisfied with Dhardon Sharling, Lobsang Sangay has moved on to assaulting Western women. No one gets accused of these things over and over again unless there is some truth to it.

So let's spell it out for everyone. First, you have Kalu Rinpoche admitting to being abused as a child. Later you have Namgyal Monastery monks circulating pornography. Then Sogyal, who has the Dalai Lama's support, basically admits to being a sexual abuser. This is rounded off by Tenzin Dhonden, the Dalai Lama's personal emissary, having inappropriate sexual relations with women even though he's a monk.

And in the ring, holding things up for the secular corner, you have Lobsang Sangay accepting sexual favours from people like Ms Sharling in exchange for political prominence. When that runs out, he takes to abusing Western women. Maybe Ms Sharling said no, maybe she wasn't able to satisfy him any more, maybe their trysts stopped being exciting, who knows?

But when he's exposed, what does he do? Like every typical guilty person, he shoots the messenger! Look, if you are NOT guilty, you're going to demand facts and evidence. You're going to say, "No, at that time you say I was assaulting Ms Butterfield, I was actually 10,000 miles away at this conference and here are the pictures."

Why would Mila Rangzen drag this poor girl's name into fray if he didn't have proof? If he was wrong, if it was false, she would speak up since she's very much a real person!

And through it all, Peljor, Carol McQuire and everyone else continues to support this group of repressed sex deviants. Yes, Peljor and McQuire support the abuse of women. They REALLY need to update their concept of "liberation"!

President Sangay and the sexual assault on Ms Leslie Butterfield
https://thetibetstar.com/2018/02/21/president-sangay-and-the-sexual-assault-on-ms-leslie-butterfield/ (https://thetibetstar.com/2018/02/21/president-sangay-and-the-sexual-assault-on-ms-leslie-butterfield/)

President Sangay launches attacks on Mila Rangzen
https://thetibetstar.com/2018/02/28/president-sangay-launches-attacks-on-mila-rangzen/ (https://thetibetstar.com/2018/02/28/president-sangay-launches-attacks-on-mila-rangzen/)

Revealed: Dalai Lama’s ‘personal emissary’ suspended over corruption claims
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/27/dalai-lama-tenzin-dhonden-tibet-monk-corruption-accusations (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/27/dalai-lama-tenzin-dhonden-tibet-monk-corruption-accusations)
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Rowntree on March 16, 2018, 02:36:11 PM
Peljor and his gang really seem to enjoy supporting and associating with sex offenders. What excuse are they going to make now? Not satisfied with Dhardon Sharling, Lobsang Sangay has moved on to assaulting Western women. No one gets accused of these things over and over again unless there is some truth to it.

So let's spell it out for everyone. First, you have Kalu Rinpoche admitting to being abused as a child. Later you have Namgyal Monastery monks circulating pornography. Then Sogyal, who has the Dalai Lama's support, basically admits to being a sexual abuser. This is rounded off by Tenzin Dhonden, the Dalai Lama's personal emissary, having inappropriate sexual relations with women even though he's a monk.

And then you have the 17th Karmapa exposing and blaming the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) for interrupting the Karmapa choice, the inadequate education system within the Karma Kagyu sect., the less of cooperation between the high lamas that resulted in constant changing of the monlam prayers event...listening in between lines, he may also suffer from sexual assault as well.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Pema8 on March 20, 2018, 06:59:38 AM
You are right Rowntree !  This was my thought as well.

1. It is a shame that the Karmapa's education was not organised in a proper way!
2. What he sexually abused? He did not say it openly but the way he speaks about his education makes me wonder too.

Such beings can help us so much but the CTA did only think of how to exploit them and making money of them instead of giving them all the support they need. Another huge failure of the CTA!
 >:(
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: dsnowlion on March 20, 2018, 07:47:27 PM
Peljor and his gang really seem to enjoy supporting and associating with sex offenders. What excuse are they going to make now? Not satisfied with Dhardon Sharling, Lobsang Sangay has moved on to assaulting Western women. No one gets accused of these things over and over again unless there is some truth to it.

So let's spell it out for everyone. First, you have Kalu Rinpoche admitting to being abused as a child. Later you have Namgyal Monastery monks circulating pornography. Then Sogyal, who has the Dalai Lama's support, basically admits to being a sexual abuser. This is rounded off by Tenzin Dhonden, the Dalai Lama's personal emissary, having inappropriate sexual relations with women even though he's a monk.

And in the ring, holding things up for the secular corner, you have Lobsang Sangay accepting sexual favours from people like Ms Sharling in exchange for political prominence. When that runs out, he takes to abusing Western women. Maybe Ms Sharling said no, maybe she wasn't able to satisfy him any more, maybe their trysts stopped being exciting, who knows?

But when he's exposed, what does he do? Like every typical guilty person, he shoots the messenger! Look, if you are NOT guilty, you're going to demand facts and evidence. You're going to say, "No, at that time you say I was assaulting Ms Butterfield, I was actually 10,000 miles away at this conference and here are the pictures."

Why would Mila Rangzen drag this poor girl's name into fray if he didn't have proof? If he was wrong, if it was false, she would speak up since she's very much a real person!

And through it all, Peljor, Carol McQuire and everyone else continues to support this group of repressed sex deviants. Yes, Peljor and McQuire support the abuse of women. They REALLY need to update their concept of "liberation"!


You know I have a suspicion that this disgusting gossip queen Peljor is paid by the CTA. This is why he goes around only condemning those not in CTA's favour. Why does he not gosip about Sangay and Dhardon then? Because it's obvious, they are the pay master. We Need to Talk about Shugden is just a gossip club for bitten, old, no life spinster, let them talk... that's all they have to look forward for in their life. But this Peljor, he deserves to be persecuted for being a fake monk, wearing monk's robes, no monk goes around gossiping as much as he does! Something is just not right about him!
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: PrajNa on March 20, 2018, 07:58:12 PM

You know I have a suspicion that this disgusting gossip queen Peljor is paid by the CTA. This is why he goes around only condemning those not in CTA's favour. Why does he not gosip about Sangay and Dhardon then? Because it's obvious, they are the pay master. We Need to Talk about Shugden is just a gossip club for bitten, old, no life spinster, let them talk... that's all they have to look forward for in their life. But this Peljor, he deserves to be persecuted for being a fake monk, wearing monk's robes, no monk goes around gossiping as much as he does! Something is just not right about him!



The stasi gossip queen not gossiping about Lobsang Sangay and Dhardon Sharling is a clear indication about who his bosses are. In fact, the recent Tibet Star "President Sangay and the sexual assault on Ms Leslie Butterfield" could be Peljor's favourite subject, very suspicious.

Meanwhile, he continues to post his favourite topics, sexual abuse on his Facebook. I still don't get it. What's his obsession with sexual abuse? A monk who is so obsessed with sexual abuse, it's scary.

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Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on March 25, 2018, 04:15:54 AM
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You sound like Peljor.

Right you are on this one, as Peljor boldly denounced infamous, and now duly disgraced, serial sexual abuser Sogyal, whom you shamelessly try to defend.

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Abusing the robes isnt as bad as whats going on on this forum?

The only bad thing going on on this forum is you trying to cover Sogyal's depravity.

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Interesting perspective. Your the only one defending him.

Idiots are typically afraid of being the only ones.

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Maybe you are Peljor posting on this forum. Wouldnt surprise me.

Actually, I've been the only one here denouncing Peljor as a puppet of the sinister terrorist financier George Soros, via his (Peljor's) Soros-paid mentor Ringu “tulku”, and Soros-owned Tsadra Foundation.

Still, this does not make of infamous and now disgraced Sogyal less of a sexual offender, and of you less of a shameless abetter of his crimes.
Title: Re: Another dzogchen celebrity defending sexual abuse
Post by: Rowntree on March 25, 2018, 12:41:43 PM
Of course, Vajrayana is meant to be practiced in secret with a few qualified students and a highly qualified master. When this happens, it is a truly precious path and rules of samaya and pure perception can be upheld in unexpected ways. The stories of Milarepa and Naropa are examples of that. However, when the qualifications of the Vajra masters erode badly and when the Vajrayana is given to unqualified students, then it is hard to speak of pure perception. Then it’s a difficult situation, not one that can be resolved by black and white rules of samaya, such as the ones laid down by Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche in his article. There is no clear-cut solution. Then we need the guidance of clear sighted, gifted leaders who are prepared to take courageous steps.

As His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama said, observe your teacher and vice versa before taking on the quest to enlightenment. The teacher-student relationship is a sacred one, it is not one that requires sex, generally speaking, and even if sex is involved, again, generally speaking, with one consort. In the case of Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, he does not have a harem of young women with him, and all his actions based on the crazy wisdom was published at his request (Dragon Thunder by Diana Mukpo his consort, and The Mah?siddha and His Idiot Servant by John Riley Perks) without any need to covert the truth. This is totally different from Sogyal.

Whether Sogyal is a qualified teacher or not, I do not know. But from the passage below, one can say that he looked upon Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche as a business model and he sees the opportunity to manipulate that into the Western world as the people lacked the correct understanding of Tibetan Buddhism. He has proven to be successful but karma seems to catch up. Hence the big hoo-ha and expose time.
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In 1976, Sogyal visited America to meet with another Tibetan lama, Chogyam Trungpa, who was regarded as the most extreme exemplar of ‘crazy wisdom’ teachings. Trungpa drank like a fish (he would die in 1987 from complications arising due to alcoholism), openly slept with his students and ran his organisation like a feudal court, surrounding himself with an elite bodyguard, sometimes amusing himself by dressing as a Grenadier guard. ‘The real function of the guru,’ he once said, ‘is to insult you.’ ‘Sogyal looked at what Trungpa had,’ says Mary Finnigan, ‘and said “That’s what I want.”’

Fundamentally, the teacher-student relationship is the bond of pure samaya, correct view of the teacher and complete trust, in which the student not only vows total submissiveness to the teacher (training), the teacher also vows to act solely for the benefit of the student. Breaking the samaya is held to have the most terrible consequences, including banishment to ‘vajra hell’ and infinite unfortunate rebirths. This is not a threat, but a logical metaphor for the consequences that follow. An example would be the teacher gave different teachings and assignments to an individual in order for him or her to go beyond the self-made limitations that have brought only suffering to his or her life before they meet the dharma/teacher.

During the training, if dharma is not utilized or applied, the wrong perceptions will only get deepened and eventually push the student to leave dharma/teacher. Having already wrong perceptions prior to the dharma and the intensified versions of them when leaving, one's actions will be even further from dharma and the amount of suffering will be increased. Before the end of their life, they would have been overwhelmed with negativities that only bring about any amount of sufferings. With this kind of mindset, it will only further open the door to the lower realms and this can only be logical.

The relationship with the teacher is the key element in our capacity to follow the Buddhist path in the most effective way. Meeting a qualified teacher is very much necessary for enlightenment to be realized at the end of the day. So, observe and choose wisely with dharma as the guide always.
Title: Re: Is Peljor defending sexual abuse?
Post by: Matibhadra on March 25, 2018, 03:53:50 PM
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As His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama said, observe your teacher and vice versa before taking on the quest to enlightenment.

For instance, one should observe that the evil dalie is a crooked criminal, and therefore reject any connection with the disgraceful entity, no matter how much the main dirty stream media glorifies it.

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Whether Sogyal is a qualified teacher or not, I do not know.

But I know, and I can tell you that Sogyal is a very qualified teacher of the subject of how to sexually exploit and abuse the vulnerable and scam the naïve for self-gratification and personal profit.

As such, he is as recognized Nyingma teacher, endorsed by many lineage holders of this tradition, and a brazen supporter of the evil dalie and his anti-Shugden witch-hunts. Do you still doubt his qualifications?

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Fundamentally, the teacher-student relationship is the bond of pure samaya, correct view of the teacher and complete trust, in which the student not only vows total submissiveness to the teacher (training),

This is a false, wrong statement. In Buddhism there is no such thing as “total submissiveness” to anyone, not even to the Buddha. The teaching of the Buddha is that you (anyone) should

“be a light unto yourself, be a refuge to yourself. Take yourself to no external refuge. Hold fast to the Truth as a light; hold fast to the Truth as a refuge. Look not for a refuge in anyone beside yourself” (Mahaparinibbana Sutta)

“Total submissiveness” is the hallmark of evil, dehumanizing ideologies such as Judaism, Christianity, or Islam, or the Abrahamic so-called religions, those flagged by the Kalachakra Tantra as the religions of the mlechchha, or the barbarians.

Such evil ideologies assert a central, non-transparent, all-powerful authority, which they call “god”, to which one must fully surrender or submit, and blindly obey, out of fear of eternal punishment. Their essence is fear, lack of self-reliance, submission, and slavery.

Now, the essence of Buddhism is freedom, self-confidence, and the courage to help other sentient beings no matter what, even if one has to endure endless ages in the deepest hell. Nothing could be farther from Buddhism than submissiveness, let alone “total submissiveness”.