The Dalai Lama visited Sogyal Rinpoche's centres, and blesses them.
I own a dog so I can speak on behalf of all dog owners. No man. Doesn't work that way. You don't get to talk and represent the Dalai Lama...unless those rumours of you being paid by the Tibetan leadership really are true? :o
“Peljor” is a close associate of Ringu “tulku”, a confessed recipient of George Soros' money. His political views without exception are aligned with those of the terrorism-supporting Abrahamic financier.
“Peljor” does not declare the source of the money supporting his websites and propagandistic initiatives, which means that it is necessarily dirty money, such as Soros or Tsadra Foundation money.
He is not intent on sincere debate, but solely on mercenary political propaganda. Quoting and refuting the idiot is the action of another idiot. Please let's not conspurcate this website with such a foolish activity.
Tenzin Peljor always contradicting himself. Now I know not only he is busy maintaining his website to criticize Lamas and Dorje Shugden(in particularly) to get his monthly salary, he also busy contradicting himself.
If Tenzin Peljor criticizes Sogyal Rinpoche so much, it must be that he hates and disagrees with sexual abuse/sexual misconduct so much, but why defending sexual abuse this time? Why Tenzin Peljor said nothing at all but solely debate against what other has brought up, and the issue mentioned by Sandra Mesrine is a potential problem and it is valid. If Tenzin Peljor is a pure monk that practices Buddhadharma sincerely, he would have the quality of The 4 Immeasurable, that no bias should be practiced.
In this degenerate time, it is in fact easier to see who is real practitioner and who is not. Tenzin Peljor's motive is obvious - he is a career monk, that wear robes but does all the things a sangha should avoid.
I am not a sangha but just a lay practitioner. I hold my refuge vows and one of my vows is never say words to hurt others. I am sure the sangha vows has the same, but Tenzin Peljor obviously done the opposite. The worst is, he still uses his robes, his sangha "status" to build "credibility" to put down Lamas and Dorje Shugden practitioners. He is a political monks. I am sad to say so but this is the truth. His actions speak this well.
No one forced you to read the thread or make a comment.
People discuss what they like.
So if you prefer to discuss other topics, feel free to start your own discussion thread ;)
but thanks for the additional info about Peljor and Ringu mate. Did not know about that and yeah your right, he doesnt declare the source of his money. Maybe Ringu is in cahoots and is financially supportive of his activities. That would be disturbing if proven true.
oh! One more example of Tenzin Peljor busy contradicting himself. Since the very beginning, he contradicted himself. I guess his main practice is "contradicting oneself".
He contradicted his Dorje Shugden belief and left his old Guru Ven. Geshe Kelsang for H.H. Dalai Lama. Well, a picture paints a thousand words. Let the picture speaks. Interesting to know tho.
On one hand Tenzin Peljor says Sogyal Rinpoche is abusing young women, on the other hand when it is in relation to His Holiness the Dalai Lama'a words, he is right up there deflecting and trying to ensure the Dalai Lama's words are cannot be brought to disrepute.
Hope he will put more effort to practicing the dharma, bringing the dharma to others, rather than selectively attacking groups of people that he finds unacceptable to his ideals and logic.
I wonder why he left Geshe Kelsang Gyatso's camp. He went out protesting against the Dalai Lama in the early days and now he is following Dalai Lama. Haven't he read or seen enough of Dorje Shugden's solid proof?oh! One more example of Tenzin Peljor busy contradicting himself. Since the very beginning, he contradicted himself. I guess his main practice is "contradicting oneself".
He contradicted his Dorje Shugden belief and left his old Guru Ven. Geshe Kelsang for H.H. Dalai Lama. Well, a picture paints a thousand words. Let the picture speaks. Interesting to know tho.
Michael Jäkel who tricks people by using a monk name is loyal only to himself and is only driven by what serves him, not the dharma. You see this in all his activities, which focusses on 2 things - (i) how to get seen being with a famous lama and (ii) how to stand out by pulling others down. What he has is a little bit of knowledge but zero practice and so he attracts those similar to him such as Carol McQuire.
Jäkel would have problems fitting in and finding success in the secular world. He would be a total nobody and he knows it. Wearing robes and appearing to be a monk allows him to hide his inadequacies to those who are not aware and gains him instant respect to many who assume that all monks are good.
It is foolish of Jäkel to assume that he can go on hurting so many people and no expect results.
On one hand Tenzin Peljor says Sogyal Rinpoche is abusing young women, on the other hand when it is in relation to His Holiness the Dalai Lama'a words, he is right up there deflecting and trying to ensure the Dalai Lama's words are cannot be brought to disrepute.
Yes I do think Tenzin Peljor is being very very selective and right up there to defending sexual abuse.
Hope he will put more effort to practicing the dharma, bringing the dharma to others, rather than selectively attacking groups of people that he finds unacceptable to his ideals and logic.
That is the whole point, Tenzin Peljor is selective and often prefers controversial Dharma to real Dharma.
He prefers to talk about controversial teachers rather than genuine Dharma teachers.
He only talks about the misconduct of various teachers but never the teachings of real teachers. The only teacher that is close to being genuine that Tenzin Peljor likes is the Dalai Lama and you will not find him discussing the teachings of the Dalai Lama
rather, he would talk about the controversial statements the Dalai Lama made.
SO, you can see where his true interests lie and that does not go well with his maroon robes.
I visit Peljor's Facebook page, and I am quite surprise as to what I see. Wearing a maroon robe, but his posting on Facebook is nothing near what a sangha member should be behaving. Is this what sangha members have degenerated these days? Is this how ineffective of Buddha's teachings these days? Why is HH Dalai Lama's so-called students are behaving as such? Is this normal for HH Dalai Lama's students behavior these days?
Should I lose faith in sangha after seeing how Peljor behave?
I wonder why he left Geshe Kelsang Gyatso's camp. He went out protesting against the Dalai Lama in the early days and now he is following Dalai Lama. Haven't he read or seen enough of Dorje Shugden's solid proof?oh! One more example of Tenzin Peljor busy contradicting himself. Since the very beginning, he contradicted himself. I guess his main practice is "contradicting oneself".
He contradicted his Dorje Shugden belief and left his old Guru Ven. Geshe Kelsang for H.H. Dalai Lama. Well, a picture paints a thousand words. Let the picture speaks. Interesting to know tho.
Michael Jäkel who tricks people by using a monk name is loyal only to himself and is only driven by what serves him, not the dharma. You see this in all his activities, which focusses on 2 things - (i) how to get seen being with a famous lama and (ii) how to stand out by pulling others down. What he has is a little bit of knowledge but zero practice and so he attracts those similar to him such as Carol McQuire.
Jäkel would have problems fitting in and finding success in the secular world. He would be a total nobody and he knows it. Wearing robes and appearing to be a monk allows him to hide his inadequacies to those who are not aware and gains him instant respect to many who assume that all monks are good.
It is foolish of Jäkel to assume that he can go on hurting so many people and no expect results.
QuoteThat is the whole point, Tenzin Peljor is selective and often prefers controversial Dharma to real Dharma.
Gossip is no “controversial” Dharma; it's no Dharma at all.QuoteHe prefers to talk about controversial teachers rather than genuine Dharma teachers.
Wrong. He talks about perfectly genuine teachers, such as the previous Pabhongka and Trijang Rinpoches, the current Trijang Rinpoche, and Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, and tries to stir controversy about them.
This does not make such genuine teachers “controversial”, specially as opposed to “genuine”. They are not “controversial”, because the controversy around them is just artificially created by their opponents.QuoteHe only talks about the misconduct of various teachers but never the teachings of real teachers. The only teacher that is close to being genuine that Tenzin Peljor likes is the Dalai Lama and you will not find him discussing the teachings of the Dalai Lama
In this Peljor is right. It is difficult, if not impossible, to find any teaching given by the evil dalie. Indeed, everything uttered by the evil dalie is just dirty politics, or tainted by politics, or motivated by politics.Quoterather, he would talk about the controversial statements the Dalai Lama made.
This is what some of us do here as well; therefore it would hypocritical to criticize Peljor on this basis.
Now, of course, Peljor tries to defend the evil dalie's controversial statements, because both Peljor and the evil dalie are merely salariated agents of Western anti-China propaganda, which is obviously a difficult point for you to understand.QuoteSO, you can see where his true interests lie and that does not go well with his maroon robes.
This is what China says for some 60 years about Peljor's model, the evil dalie, and which you might see as mere “Chinese propaganda”, since according to you, apart from the Shugden issue, everything seems to fine with the unconscionable criminal.
I think when you split my message like that, you are misconstruing what I am trying to say.
The message is simple and it basically echoes the original point of this thread anyway.
Peljor revels in controversy all the time and in doing so, he courts trouble as he becomes hypocritical by criticizing a Lama who is clearly endorsed by the Dalai Lama himself.
In doing this, he is effectively going against his lama.
If you are in Vajrayana, you would understand the implication of this.
This has got nothing to do with Shugden but this reveals the hypocritical nature of many anti-shugden proponents. That's all.
The wrong image that Peljor consistently giving is real practice is not required, but packaging and schism are in order to become famous and garner followers in the most detrimental and wrong way. He is definitely the mara that the Buddha has predicted before the end of his life on how Buddhism will be destroyed and eventually disappear in the world. He is definitely a direct contributor and an extremely sinful one. It is really necessary for him to disrobe and help himself from generating more and more negative karma in driving people away from real dharma. I mean who would be inspired bu this kind of character?
Vatican rocked: Police raid drug-fuelled gay orgy at cardinal's apartment
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Vatican police have raided a cardinal's apartment where a drug-fuelled homosexual orgy was taking place.
Police entered an apartment at the former palace of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (or Holy Office) last month not far from the Vatican City.
The occupant of the apartment is alleged to be a priest who serves as a secretary to cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio, the head of the Pontifical Council for Legislative texts and a personal adviser to the Pope.
The allegations of the orgy were first published by newspaper Il Fatto Quotidiano.
According to the paper, neighbours became suspicious before complaining about irregular behaviour of those coming and going at the apartment.
When police showed up at the apartment, they reportedly found drugs and a group of men engaged in sexual activity.
The priest was then arrested and taken for questioning.
Il Fatto Quotidiano suggested that Pope Francis has been infuriated by the news and may force Coccopalmerio into retirement.
The incident is symptomatic of a difficult period for the Pope. Four years into his papacy the Catholic Church appears racked by conflict and scandal.
Critics blame the Pope's choice of personnel: cardinal George Pell, appointed to clean up the Vatican's murky finances, has taken a leave of absence to defend himself against sex abuse charges in Australia.
It is such a shame that a monk has nothing else to do than to gossip around instead of holding his vows and bringing it up in the monastery. What does he expect? Why would anyone do this? Is he paid for it or what could be his motive? Sure not protecting the Dharma!
The wrong image that Peljor consistently giving is real practice is not required, but packaging and schism are in order to become famous and garner followers in the most detrimental and wrong way. He is definitely the mara that the Buddha has predicted before the end of his life on how Buddhism will be destroyed and eventually disappear in the world. He is definitely a direct contributor and an extremely sinful one. It is really necessary for him to disrobe and help himself from generating more and more negative karma in driving people away from real dharma. I mean who would be inspired bu this kind of character?
Matibhadra, you should not be defending Peljor at all
if you really holds him in high regards,
a real monk should not be doing all those things that Peljor is doing.
The fact that you are defending Peljor shows that you do not understand the true essence of becoming a sangha and hold vows.
You are encouraging Peljor's action of playing politics and not studying and practicing the Dharma.
Peljor is a shame of sangha
and you are encouraging it,
that says a lot about you as well.
He is definitely what you said. Anything to become famous. I heard rumours that he is considering to join FPMT after he completed his studies. After all, FPMT is bigger and more famous than his current teacher and centre.
On his facebook he praises His Holiness the Dalai Lama, then on his website he creates doubt in people's mind and faith by questioning why His Holiness the Dalai Lama didn't say anything about Sogyal Rinpoche although "The Dalai Lama and his office know about his long term misconduct". By saying that, he is actually saying that His Holiness the Dalai Lama knows about the misconduct but decided to keep quiet about the matter. Is he implying that His Holiness the Dalai Lama is a person who will keep a blind eye and defend someone who does sexual abuse?
Tell me what's his purpose of continuously bashing Sogyal Rinpoche (calling him Sogyal Lakar!) if not to get more views for his poorly-visited website.
If he really thinks he is doing everyone a favour by exposing these controversial teachers, he should do one on himself! He is such a controversy and a major figure in creating schism among Sangha 8)
Actually, the title of this thread should be “Infamous playboy Sogyal's minions infiltrated into this website attack Peljor in order to defend their cult leader's sexual abuse”.
Peljor, if hr is a good monk and REAL monk who holds vows, should not be setting up website discussing and fanning all the controversies about Buddhism and instigating politics. Peljor should be practicing the Dharma and not become the self-proclaimed "police" of Buddhism, nobody made him one, and he himself as a monk is very bad to make himself become one instead on focusing on his practice and learning.
Matibhadra, you should not be defending Peljor at all if you really holds him in high regards, a real monk should not be doing all those things that Peljor is doing. The fact that you are defending Peljor shows that you do not understand the true essence of becoming a sangha and hold vows.
You are encouraging Peljor's action of playing politics and not studying and practicing the Dharma. Peljor is a shame of sangha and you are encouraging it, that says a lot about you as well.
Peljor, if hr is a good monk and REAL monk who holds vows, should not be setting up website discussing and fanning all the controversies about Buddhism and instigating politics. Peljor should be practicing the Dharma and not become the self-proclaimed "police" of Buddhism, nobody made him one, and he himself as a monk is very bad to make himself become one instead on focusing on his practice and learning.
Matibhadra, you should not be defending Peljor at all if you really holds him in high regards, a real monk should not be doing all those things that Peljor is doing. The fact that you are defending Peljor shows that you do not understand the true essence of becoming a sangha and hold vows.
You are encouraging Peljor's action of playing politics and not studying and practicing the Dharma. Peljor is a shame of sangha and you are encouraging it, that says a lot about you as well.
Dont bother with Matibhadra, seriously. Hes got some sort of vendetta against Sogyal, involving the fellas name when this threads not even focused on him. If hes so concerned about bloomin Sogyal, then start up a thread and run a discussion about it. Lets see how far that gets you, talking about a lama thats not even from this lineage ::) yeh so people want to discuss a Gelug 'monk' who initiates conversations that end up exposing Namgyal Monasterys sordid porn-distributing activities which the Dalai Lama does nowt about. Thats our perogative to talk this way and whats wrong?
Peljor starts up websites against Shugden people, runs Facebook groups against them, takes pictures of them and sends it off to his paymasters in Dharamsala, abandons his ordination master and whatnot... all of thats okay, nowt to be said about it BUT once talk starts up against him, Matibhadra comes out guns blazing? Is Matibhadra under Peljors thumb or summit, that he comes to the defence of someone who has made a career out of attacking up?
No, hes an odd fella getting upset when people talk about Peljor and ignoring his insistence we focus on Sogyal when the threads not even about Sogyal! The title of this threads clear enough for all to see. A discussion about Peljors defence of sexual abuse, or at the very least how he contributes to the culture of silence. Well keep talking about it and if people want to join in, its up to them. If they dont, perhaps they should move their discussion and pennies thoughts elsewhere.
Dont bother with Matibhadra, seriously. Hes got some sort of vendetta against Sogyal, involving the fellas name when this threads not even focused on him.
If hes so concerned about bloomin Sogyal,
then start up a thread and run a discussion about it.
Lets see how far that gets you, talking about a lama thats not even from this lineage ::)
yeh so people want to discuss a Gelug 'monk' who initiates conversations that end up exposing Namgyal Monasterys sordid porn-distributing activities
which the Dalai Lama does nowt about.
Thats our perogative to talk this way and whats wrong?
Peljor starts up websites against Shugden people, runs Facebook groups against them, takes pictures of them and sends it off to his paymasters in Dharamsala, abandons his ordination master and whatnot... all of thats okay, nowt to be said about it
BUT once talk starts up against him, Matibhadra comes out guns blazing?
Is Matibhadra under Peljors thumb or summit, that he comes to the defence of someone who has made a career out of attacking up?
No, hes an odd fella getting upset when people talk about Peljor and ignoring his insistence we focus on Sogyal when the threads not even about Sogyal!
The title of this threads clear enough for all to see.
A discussion about Peljors defence of sexual abuse,
or at the very least how he contributes to the culture of silence.
Well keep talking about it and if people want to join in, its up to them. If they dont, perhaps they should move their discussion and pennies thoughts elsewhere.
Completely AGREE... IGNORE Miti...
he has some serious issues about expecting the world to accept his point of view and if they don't, everyone is wrong except him.
A double standard calling others double standard?
So let us just move along and don't get sucked into giving him the attention he seeks.
Peljor's behaviour, speech and thoughts are like that of the icchantika. The Buddha mentioned the Nirvana Sutra that the status of the icchantika is lower than that of ants. “One may well kill an ant and earn sin for doing harm, but there is no sin for killing an icchantika.” This is how destructive Peljor is.
The Buddha mentioned the Nirvana Sutra that the status of the icchantika is lower than that of ants. “One may well kill an ant and earn sin for doing harm, but there is no sin for killing an icchantika.”
It's quite obvious from the general consensus on this forum, and the fact that this Peljor's actions in the past have been hypocritical and down right not right, that he is not a good example of a monk.
I remember what an old Tibetan man used to tell me, he said that the Buddha prophesied that the Dharma would not be destroyed from without (through wars, conflicts, influence of barbarism, etc) but from within.
In that he meant that people who are supposed to be practicing Buddhism give it a bad name and corrupt it from the inside, like a bad rot. Peljor is part of this rot, and its devastating to see this happen.
He not only contradicts his gurus, and in the process belittling them,
he defends sexual abuse which is barbaric in itself,
and hurls hate towards others such as Dorje Shugden practitioners.
What did we ever do to him?
Even if someone did harm him, and that person happened to be a Dorje Shugden devotee it doesn't mean that he can label all Dorje Shugden devotees as bad.
And all of his actions, thoughts that he shares is all about controversial topics, which means that he really just wants to be in the thick of it, where he is not needed or wanted.
He just wants to get involved to make himself look better. That's all.
And for him to do this being a monk, its stomach churning.
What sort of monk behaves like this?
I had many Tibetan monk friends, and most of them would always tell me that a monk needs to behave and act in a certain way, only then do they really become part of the sacred Sangha jewel.
Unfortunately people like this Peljor pull the glory of the Sangha down in the eyes of others.
I for one do not think less of the Sangha, but i could see why people would, if they take him as an example of what a monk should be.
It's sad and deplorable that the world has degenerated to such a position that people like Peljor can masquerade as monks,
all the while only doing such negative deeds and worst of all defending the suffering caused to other through sexual abuse.
It's disgusting.
What is the point of you dissecting and finding fault in everybody's opinion of things?
Are you trying to defend Peljor and his nasty behaviour?
Don't you find what Tenzin Peljor is doing is wrong, objectionable and although he may not be attacking Dorje Shugden directly.
After all, he is another follower of the Dalai Lama and just twisting it back to the Dalai Lama does not make Peljor's actions any better.
I find you a bit obsessive with getting at the Dalai Lama when it is really not about the Dalai Lama.
Still fact is that Peljor is not doing his practice
as he is busy looking around who he can slander about.
I don't think that this is a very spiritual behaviour.
As a monk he should be busy with his practice and meditation.
Instead he lets the world know what should be dealt with in the place itself.
If sexual misconduct happened it is to be solved there instead of pointing fingers!
Point your finger back at yourself!
I was wondering how long it was going to take before Peljor used all of this as an opportunity for self-promotion. He never promotes Dharma teachings, Dharma articles or information. Only judgements, criticism and attacks. But if he was truly out to expose alleged abuses in Tibetan Buddhism, why does he then go to such lengths to debate against Sandra Mesrine? When will Peljor behave like a monk and not just wear the costume of a monk? Halloween's over.
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You're right Peljor, do we rich Westerners have the right to condemn? Perhaps you should get rid of your website which does nothing but condemn everyone. While Sandra Mesrine agrees to disagree, and points out the problems that exist, Peljor doesn't even address her comment. Instead talks about his experience in India, and questions what's right and wrong. Is this 'monk' for real, excusing alleged abuse by saying that the youth would otherwise suffer poor living conditions? Hey, abuse is wrong, full stop, in whatever context it takes place in.
It is interesting that Peljor just ignored Sandra's comment about Dalai Lama's personal monastery of Namgyal monks enjoying pornography. Also there are many career monks in Namgyal meaning they only wear robes and stay near the Dalai Lama for financial gain. Of course if Peljor were to comment on this like the rest of us Westerners, it would make him look bad because the basis of his 'power' to judge and condemn others is his closeness to the sanctified Dalai Lama above all reproach. As a Westerner to me, no one is above reproach especially people of spiritual authorities. If the Dalai Lama, as Sandra said, is ignoring the career monks in his own monastery and ignoring the pornography, what does that look like? You guess. Peljor has to defend the Dalai Lama because it is not faith that draws Peljor to the Dalai Lama but it's a career. For Peljor all of this is simply a job and his robes are part of the uniform. Child molestation in any society is disgusting and should be dealt with by the law. Pornography in any monastery should be banned and stopped. The Dalai Lama allowing this in his monastery is well known and spoken in hushed tones among the Tibetans and Westerners (injis) in McLeod Ganj. Too bad Peljor is so biased in his views. Gotta keep the boss happy.
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This monk keeps defending the potential for abuse that Sandra Mesrine is talking about. Why would anyone in their right mind defend sexual abuse? I find it pretty entertaining too that it's a bunch of white folk debating the culture of Asians (or Tibetans in this case), acting like they are experts because they spoke to some Asian friends. Interesting. Would the same people claim and insist they are experts and familiar with black culture? Don't think so.
Instead of dissecting my post, sentence by sentence and putting things between the lines I did not write and intend to write...QuoteStill fact is that Peljor is not doing his practice
So what. Are you Peljor's disciplinarian now? Who pays your salary to control Peljor's or anyone's practice?Quoteas he is busy looking around who he can slander about.
Peljor's boss, the evil dalie, cannot stop slandering Shugdenpas, Putin, Trump, China, Myanmar's and Sri Lanka's Buddhists, and so on.
Besides, the evil dalie silences about his pal infamous playboy Sogyal's record of sexual abuse, thus effectively defending sexual abuse.
Still, instead of criticizing Peljor's boss, the evil dalie, you are obsessively concerned only with minuscule Peljor, which shows that your agenda is just to cover you hero the evil dalie's crimes.
You merely want to save the face of Peljor's boss, the evil dalie, when you accuse Peljor. Therefore, your criticism is not sincere.QuoteI don't think that this is a very spiritual behaviour.
But you do think that the behaviors of the evil dalie and of infamous playboy Sogyal are “very spiritual”, which is why your opinion about Peljor is insincere, and thus irrelevant.QuoteAs a monk he should be busy with his practice and meditation.
Why then don't you complain about Peljor's boss, the evil dalie, who also transvestites as a “monk” but is only busy with slandering others, promoting witch-hunts, gruesome self-immolations, bloody racist riots, and other such barbaric acts?
Or are you suggesting that it is ok for infamous playboy Sogyal to engage in sexual abuse just because he is not a monk?QuoteInstead he lets the world know what should be dealt with in the place itself.
Oh, I see, you want to defend infamous playboy Sogyal's record of sexual abuse, right?
You are suggesting that Peljor should silence about infamous playboy Sogyal's record of sexual abuse, and “deal with in the place itself”, instead of “letting the world know about it”.
In other words, you have just been caught red-handed defending sexual abuse and the culture of silence, while shamelessly accusing Peljor of the same!QuoteIf sexual misconduct happened it is to be solved there instead of pointing fingers!
In other words you defend a culture of silence, in order to protect your cult leader, the infamous playboy Sogyal.
This shows just how hypocritical you are when you point your dirty fingers at Peljor!QuotePoint your finger back at yourself!
This is your own homework. And please clean your fingers.
I was wondering how long it was going to take before Peljor used all of this as an opportunity for self-promotion. He never promotes Dharma teachings, Dharma articles or information. Only judgements, criticism and attacks. But if he was truly out to expose alleged abuses in Tibetan Buddhism, why does he then go to such lengths to debate against Sandra Mesrine? When will Peljor behave like a monk and not just wear the costume of a monk? Halloween's over.
I see how he disregards Sandra's statements, hushing her up and deviating from it.
Well, this is what we discussing here and the above is proof
that what he says is indirectly defending sexual abuse,
porn
and basically telling Sandra that she has no clue about Tibetan Lamas/monks and Buddhism.
Well, he kind authorised himself to be the "police" for Tibetan Buddhism LOL
Anyway, all this also shows that he is indeed free as a bird!
He sure can write a lot and talk a lot.. gossiping, creating schism and conflict.
What kind of monk does this?
It is okay to come on to social media to spread Dharma,
but I have never seen any monks who is as active as him on social media, not very befitting of a monk.
Instead of dissecting my post, sentence by sentence
and putting things between the lines I did not write and intend to write...
Just to let you know that sexual abuse is not ok and nobody should experience such thing.
I think that if Peljor knew about it, he must declare it to the authorities, not to Facebook.
And by the way, you are caught spreading your stuff by using others comment!
Write your own stuff - or are you the backseatdriver here?
Why would real Buddhists read gossips and bad news about Buddhist monks and centers when there is not even enough time to read real Buddhist stuff, like Dzogchen for example.
I was quite disturbed when someone pointed out to me that perhaps he is obsessed with the topic of sexual abuse in a sick way.
The person told me that beside his articles about sexual abuse on his website, Peljor also posts on twitter about sexual abuse and sex in general. I went on to see and here are some examples.
Why would a monk post about sex? :o
Why would Peljor post about 10 nations where the penalty for gay sex is death anyway?
And here is the bottom line of this whole thread: it is just mistitled, as its subject should read: “Are dzogchen sectarian fanboys and Torah followers trying to use Peljor in order to defame Gelugpas, and thus Buddhist monastic tradition in general?”
Why is this hatred
just because I mention dzogchen.
Please do not simply create issue on this forum when there is none.
If Peljor wants to, he can bring it up to European Buddhist Union,
but what I see is that he uses the opportunity to write on these topics in a tabloid manner to bring views to his website.
I really wish that the website can be taken down. It attacks Zen monks, Thai monks, Tibetan monks.
There is no solution or advice provided, merely airing dirty laundry >:( and making monks look bad.
And Matibhadra, let's not bring Soros in the picture and the conspiracy theory.
I really wish someone would shut this monk up,
an ex-NKT monk Gelug monk who studies with a Kagyu teacher, I don't even know what to label him.
Matibhadra stop creating schism,
this has nothing to do with Dzongchen Nyingma
and you brought it up to stir sectarianism,
please spend more time in Dharma practice than to create schism here.
Shame.
And here is the bottom line of this whole thread: it is just mistitled, as its subject should read: “Are dzogchen sectarian fanboys and Torah followers trying to use Peljor in order to defame Gelugpas, and thus Buddhist monastic tradition in general?”
Matibhadra stop creating schism, this has nothing to do with Dzongchen Nyingma and you brought it up to stir sectarianism, please spend more time in Dharma practice than to create schism here. Shame.
I think we should clear-out from the discussion of sectarianism.
It is not the purpose of this forum to create further conflict with other sects of Tibetan Buddhism.
The point is Peljor is a trouble maker who continues to create various controversies with his and attack other lamas to draw attention to himself.
And this has to be stopped especially considering his reputation of changing teachers and changing centers, etc.
It is best if he just keep quiet and concentrate on his Buddhist studies.
QuoteI see how he disregards Sandra's statements, hushing her up and deviating from it.
So what. Maybe Sandra's statements did deserve to be disregarded, and Sandra did deserve to be hushed up, if this is indeed what Peljor did.
Besides, what did you see of so sacred in Sandra's statements that you don't even have the guts to quote them, knowing as you do that they lack any worth anyway?
Actually, if you go through Sadra's idiotic statements you'll see that they are worthless indeed, and that Sandra is just a militant hater of Buddhistic monastic tradition, and therefore of Gelugpas.
You will see as well her special love for Jewish orthodox rabbis, some of whom involved in the traffick of human organs so near to her in New Jersey, which explains her need to find fault in Buddhist traditional monastic education in far away India.QuoteWell, this is what we discussing here and the above is proof
“The above” *what*? *Where*? *When*? Get the courage and quote the specific passage which you believe to be a proof of specifically what, instead of hiding yourself behind blanket accusations.
The fact that you eschew showing your supposed evidence is itself a proof of your lack of confidence in your own argument, and that you know perfectly that your contrived case does not hold water at all.Quotethat what he says is indirectly defending sexual abuse,
What specifically did Peljor say that you don't even dare to quote?
Which supposed sexual abuse happened to whom, where, and when, that Peljor indirectly defended, and why do you believe that this is the case?
Since you lack the guts to show your evidence, this can only means that you have no evidence at all, and that just what you want is a cheap vendetta against Peljor, and just because he exposed infamous playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse.
Now the appropriate question is: If Peljor defended infamous playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse would you care to accuse Peljor of “defending sexual abuse”? And, in such case, would Peljor's defense of sexual abuse be “direct” or “indirect”?
But to your satisfaction, I can provide irrefutable evidence that Peljor does directly defend sexual abuse!
Indeed, this is precisely what Peljor does when he wrotes a whole article defending the evil dalie's thundering silence about infamous playboy Sogyal ugly and extensive records of sexual abuse.
But this proof you don't want to hear about and you deviate from, because it exposes your wicked cult leaders, the evil dalie and his pal infamous playboy Sogyal.
Therefore, here we are again where we started from: this whole thread is nothing but a cheap vendetta against Peljor, wrongly accusing him of “defending sexual abuse”, just because he denounced infamous playboy Sogyal's ugly records of serial sexual abuse.Quoteporn
Would quote exactly where did Peljor “defend” porn?
Besides, where did you see “porn” except in the mind of militant anti-Buddhist hater and Jewish rabbi lover Sandra Mesrine?Quoteand basically telling Sandra that she has no clue about Tibetan Lamas/monks and Buddhism.
Which is exactly the case, and Peljor did very well if he indeed told her what she had to hear. This by the way proves that Peljor with all his mistakes has his store of merits as well.
Besides, since when dismissing idiotic Sandra Mesrine, the one who says nothing about Jewish rabbis trafficking human organs, is tantamount to “defending sexual abuse”?QuoteWell, he kind authorised himself to be the "police" for Tibetan Buddhism LOL
Actually the one who ridiculously gave herself this role is precisely Sandra Mesrine, the one who loves so much her Jewish rabbis, and says nothing about their traffick of human organs just next door to her, but who goes to far away India in order to find fault in Buddhist monastic tradition, and the one who sees “porn” everywhere.QuoteAnyway, all this also shows that he is indeed free as a bird!
At least he had the freedom to expose infamous playboy Sogyal's ugly record of serial sexual abuse, which both you and rabbi lover Sandra Mesrine lack the freedom to.QuoteHe sure can write a lot and talk a lot.. gossiping, creating schism and conflict.
So what? Did you authorize yourself to be the “police” of Tibetan Buddhism?QuoteWhat kind of monk does this?
Is it your job? Did you now become the “police” of Tibetan Buddhism?QuoteIt is okay to come on to social media to spread Dharma,
Why then do you come to social media, which this website is, to spread gossips about Peljor?Quotebut I have never seen any monks who is as active as him on social media, not very befitting of a monk.
You are anyway a mere hater of Buddhist monastic tradition just like your porn idol Sandra Mesrine, the one who sees porn everywhere, whereby your opinion is irrelevant.
Someone sure has a lot of "FREE" time to be dissecting people's words one at a time. And talk about hate...
Frankly, hes turned off the lot of us and weve got better things to do like discuss why the Dalai Lamas stayed silent on the topic of Namgyal monks circulating pornography, and why "monks" like Tenzin Peljor think its acceptable to perpetuate this culture of silence.
Namgyal Monastery was founded in 16th-century Tibet by the second Dalai Lama, Gendun Gyatso. Since its founding, the Namgyal monks have assisted the Dalai Lamas in public religious affairs and have performed ritual prayer ceremonies for the welfare of Tibet.
Because Namgyal monks assist His Holiness the Dalai Lama and are frequently traveling with him, they require a more streamlined course of study focusing on the essentials of sutra and tantra. His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama has innovatively addressed and modified the traditional curriculum, including a new syllabus and program of study, which is becoming a model for other Tibetan monasteries.
- From Namgyal Monastery website.
Someone sure has a lot of "FREE" time to be dissecting people's words one at a time.
Someone sure has a lot of "FREE" time to be dissecting people's words one at a time.
Now he is posting about a Kagyu teacher from Kagyu Thubten Chöling Monastery. When is Peljor ever going to stop? I think this is the first time I know about a 'monk' who is so obsessed with sexual abuse ???
(https://image.ibb.co/gQey9a/Peljor_July14.jpg)
Any psychology major here? Perhaps some theories why Peljor likes to share about sexual abuse ??? ???
Now he is posting about a Kagyu teacher from Kagyu Thubten Chöling Monastery. When is Peljor ever going to stop? I think this is the first time I know about a 'monk' who is so obsessed with sexual abuse
Actually Ive noticed a fair bit of inconsistency in his views. Hes got an entire blog dedicated to tearing down teachers who dont meet his standards. At the same time when he finds out that the Dalai Lamas own monasterys got the same sordid activities going on, hes silent about it. Wheres his blog posts about Namgyal Monastery monks distributing pornography?
I think we should clear-out from the discussion of sectarianism.
It is not the purpose of this forum to create further conflict with other sects of Tibetan Buddhism.
The point is Peljor is a trouble maker who continues to create various controversies with his and attack other lamas to draw attention to himself.
And this has to be stopped especially considering his reputation of changing teachers and changing centers, etc.
It is best if he just keep quiet and concentrate on his Buddhist studies.
Someone sure has a lot of "FREE" time to be dissecting people's words one at a time.
And talk about hate... Mati you sound like a hater yourself. Fuming in fact.
Such strong words, my-my.
Is this forum the only thing that keeps you busy?
I am not about to spoon feed you how Peljor is defending sexual abuse
if 99 person out of 100 person sees,
then that 1 person is obviously blind.
I am not going to succumb to you "dare" nonsense, what do you think this is, grade 5? Lol.
There is no point discussing anything with you because you only choose to see in your perspective.
99 people are wrong and you are right.
You must be a Buddha!
But Buddhas do not require this much attention
and do not speak so rudely to people when they don't get it or get what they want,
and get into a fit.
Good luck and good bye to you Miti, .
I don't think you want really be here to share, discuss and learn, it is more to get everyone to agree with your views
I dont bother reading what he has to say any more because its just vitriol.
Its clear judging from the volume of his writing and the depth he goes into,
picking apart peoples replies line by line,
that hes either got nowt better to do
or hes got some agenda hes trying to push across.
The art of communication is about conveying information in a manner that makes the recipient willing to listen but Mitis styles about recording his pennies worth of thoughts and satisfying his need to have the last word.
Never mind if youve actually read it or not. Thats not the point, he doesnt actually care about that. His tactic is simple - shout you down AND shut you down with as much information as possible, to demonstrate what a brilliant and in-depth analyst he is (if only youd listen, see, so the faults with you for not reading everything ::) ).
Of course, when your not happy, out come the insults about Sogyal
and Tsem and all of that.
Frankly, hes turned off the lot of us and weve got better things to do like discuss why the Dalai Lamas stayed silent on the topic of Namgyal monks circulating pornography,
and why "monks" like Tenzin Peljor think its acceptable to perpetuate this culture of silence.
Peljor is obviously avoiding the truth about what is happening in Namgyal monastery
He is incapable of rationalized the pornography phenomena
and the best thing to do is to avoid it.
Peljor is stupid because everyone knows about it and it is all over the net
and widely spread within the Tibetan community.
In case some of you may be wondering since his site is supposed to police all the DON'Ts in the Buddhist scene and he didn't mention anything about the Namgyal monastery pornography phenomena, this is one of the many whys.
Another one is that he himself is doing the same thing
and there are no reasons to bring it up since he obviously thinks that it is not important.
Afterall, we are all born in the desire realm and we should all have desires and it is acceptable because Peljor is guilty of it.
Come to think of it, his height and small built could due to malnutrition for playing himself too much and so he didn't grow properly.
It is so pathetic that we have so many negative things to talk about Peljor
I think someone's missed their daily dose
Sounds like a special elite group of monks... and so streamlined are their studies that they have time for porn lol.
So of course Dalai Lama cannot say anything and turns a blind eye and ear... unless someone starts exposing it all over the media.
As for Peljor... why is he accepting it... simple he is probably watching such things himself!
Ha! I would not be surprised, all we have to do is take one look at his blog site, you will know what kind of character we're dealing with. Nothing DHarmic about Peljor, just gossip, scandals, schism and lies.
I think someone from Sogyal side pissed him off or told him off for something he did and that is why he is writing all the nasty things about Sogyal, because this thing about Sogyal sex scandals is OLD NEWS, why did he suddenly rehashed it and start spreading it? I sense there is an ulterior motive here.
And here is the bottom line of this thread: infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal never ever came clean about his ugly record of serial sexual abuse, a fact to which Peljor rightly drew attention, and therefore infamous playboy Sogyal's fanboys and fangirls waged a cheap vendetta against Peljor, falsely and without any evidence accusing him precisely of what they do themselves, to wit, of defending and silencing about sexual abuse, and, of course, taking the opportunity to pit Shugdenpas against other Gelugpas, thus maliciously exacerbating the already existent division amongst Gelugpas, and thus serving their own odious sectarianist “dzogchen” supremacism, itself at the very root of the anti-Shugden witch-hunt.
Why has whichever monastery that allowed TP's ordination not taken any action to publicly admonish or disrobe him? Just asking...He doesn't belong to a monastery, but he is a resident teacher in a centre in Germany. I was reading through some client cases and came across this. Perhaps this explains why there is such obsession towards sexual abuse on his blog.
Why has whichever monastery that allowed TP's ordination not taken any action to publicly admonish or disrobe him? Just asking...He doesn't belong to a monastery, but he is a resident teacher in a centre in Germany. I was reading through some client cases and came across this. Perhaps this explains why there is such obsession towards sexual abuse on his blog.
(https://i.imgur.com/Y1v0b4w.jpg)
He doesn't belong to a monastery, but he is a resident teacher in a centre in Germany. I was reading through some client cases and came across this. Perhaps this explains why there is such obsession towards sexual abuse on his blog.
(https://i.imgur.com/Y1v0b4w.jpg)
And that includes being clear in his words. Sexual abuse is wrong, even in the Dalai Lama's monastery where lewd material is being openly circulated. Imagine if a female visitor were to find these materials and how their faith might be affected by this. Yet the Namgyal Monastery authorities stay silent, and people like Peljor allow it to happen because it's the Dalai Lama's monastery, and therefore the Dalai Lama and his monks are exempt from being held accountable for this atrocious behaviour. And since that's the case, it is as good as defending sexual abuse when they fail to condemn it.
I have been seeing a lot of news on this previously unknown Western monk here and I often wonder whats going on? From the looks of it, he is a teaching monk but of little repute and I am guessing, his teaching career has not taken off.
Furthermore, there is an allegation of his own sexual preference which may explain his clarion call for attention as he is not getting any as a monk. It's just too bad and both aspects compound each other and compels this so-called monk by the name of Tenzin Peljor to act accordingly. We can only hope that he will come to terms that he will never be famous but at least be a good monk, hold his vows well and generate tremendous merits through retreats. That would way better than what he is doing right now.
I have been seeing a lot of news on this previously unknown Western monk here and I often wonder whats going on? From the looks of it, he is a teaching monk but of little repute and I am guessing, his teaching career has not taken off.
From the look of the varied controversial news he posts on his blog, he is not really into the Dharma and that he is getting some kind of gratification from receiving comments and feedback. It is definitely not for any cause because he keeps changing from Shugden lamas to commentating on various sexual-related cases. It's sad that a monk would see a need to do this in order to get some sort of attention.
Furthermore, there is an allegation of his own sexual preference which may explain his clarion call for attention as he is not getting any as a monk. It's just too bad and both aspects compound each other and compels this so-called monk by the name of Tenzin Peljor to act accordingly. We can only hope that he will come to terms that he will never be famous but at least be a good monk, hold his vows well and generate tremendous merits through retreats. That would way better than what he is doing right now.
Big Uncle, you have a very valid point. I think it has been mentioned previously, but he is not well-known at all. If he was as big and great of a teacher like her portrays I think more people would have heard his name by now. I wonder if he has published any books or videos of any of his classes. I'm not sure if he has or not, but i certainly have not seen them, neither has anyone i know, both in person or online, and i've been asking around a lot since i saw this post about him originally.
And wots he doing about the sexual abuse allegations that have arrisen with the various organisations? Does he encourage the alleged victims towards counselling or does he just blog about it, and rehash their pain over and over again just to get traffic for his own blog? I think Ive said this before but it warrants a mention again and that is Peljors not the solution oriented sort. Hes like my nan in fact. She loves a good natter over a cup of tea and thats about it really. Stops there and theres no consideration about the people shes discussing and how they can get help if they need it. Shes a lovely bird, my nan is, just not very compassionate.
No, Peljors got to stop saying hes a monk and trying to pass himself off as a teacher. Your not a monk when you try and profit off other peoples misery, whether its for traffic, reputation or fame.
PELJOR, YOUR NOT THE MESSIAH! YOUR A VERY NAUGHTY BOY! ;D
I have been seeing a lot of news on this previously unknown Western monk here and I often wonder whats going on? From the looks of it, he is a teaching monk but of little repute and I am guessing, his teaching career has not taken off.
From the look of the varied controversial news he posts on his blog, he is not really into the Dharma and that he is getting some kind of gratification from receiving comments and feedback. It is definitely not for any cause because he keeps changing from Shugden lamas to commentating on various sexual-related cases. It's sad that a monk would see a need to do this in order to get some sort of attention.
Furthermore, there is an allegation of his own sexual preference which may explain his clarion call for attention as he is not getting any as a monk. It's just too bad and both aspects compound each other and compels this so-called monk by the name of Tenzin Peljor to act accordingly. We can only hope that he will come to terms that he will never be famous but at least be a good monk, hold his vows well and generate tremendous merits through retreats. That would way better than what he is doing right now.
No he hasnt gotten far from what I can tell. Yknow mate the diff between him and us is that were not trying to pass ourselves off as summit were not. But youve got this fella running bout the place in robes, pretending hes a monk and a teacher, and acting like hes the next messiah. Meanwhile hes attacking people he claims are sexual abusers but he doesnt apply his same sexual abuse principles to all. Wots he doing about the monks in Namgyal Monastery circulating porn, how come hes said nowt about that? Because its the Dalai Lamas monastery, its okay? No it does not work that way.
And wots he doing about the sexual abuse allegations that have arrisen with the various organisations? Does he encourage the alleged victims towards counselling or does he just blog about it, and rehash their pain over and over again just to get traffic for his own blog? I think Ive said this before but it warrants a mention again and that is Peljors not the solution oriented sort. Hes like my nan in fact. She loves a good natter over a cup of tea and thats about it really. Stops there and theres no consideration about the people shes discussing and how they can get help if they need it. Shes a lovely bird, my nan is, just not very compassionate.
No, Peljors got to stop saying hes a monk and trying to pass himself off as a teacher. Your not a monk when you try and profit off other peoples misery, whether its for traffic, reputation or fame.
PELJOR, YOUR NOT THE MESSIAH! YOUR A VERY NAUGHTY BOY! ;D
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There is a real problem as some do not choose Dharma but are ashaming themselves.
On one hand side criticising the Dalai Lama and his monastery and on the other side referring to him.
Peljor, what kind of monk are you?
It does not seem that you are 'quality' sangha as they would learn, meditate and practice.
I don't think you get what this is all about.
It has got nothing about Sogyal as he is guilty but it has got everything to do with Peljor's motives in serving salicious news just to earn a viewership on his blog.
He may have turned away from Shugden lama and issue but thats because he is constantly looking for more content of such nature.
It's just a matter of time before he starts another round at Shugden issues and lamas.
In other words, its all about Peljor, who is a monk and not suppose to be doing this.
First of all, a monk shouldn't be going around looking for smut and second of all, is there ultimately, all the smut and mudslinging from Peljor is not going to do anybody good for Buddhism as a whole regardless of whether Sogyal is truly guilty or not.
I have noticed that too, that weird obsession with sexual abuse and the like. It's the same story with him and his group of friends who only talk about sexual abuse, sexual acts, people disrobing due to sexual misconduct.
They simultaneously claim that New Kadampa 'sangha' are not fully ordained. So if that's the case, what does it say about the Dalai Lama when monks they accept as fully ordained are circulating pornography in his personal Namgyal Monastery?
It's just always sex, sex, sex. Can't help but think they're sexually repressed or something (amirite or amirite?).
Look if Peljor wants to make sexual abuse his thing, that's up to him but the 'monk' needs to play fair if he's really out to expose sexual abuse like SOME people on this thread claim,
and not have some personal vendetta against people who are more successful than him (and that list is LONG).
If Peljor's on a crusade to rid Tibetan Buddhism of sexual abuse, he should start with Namgyal Monastery too, for staying silent and sanctioning the circulation of pornography in the monastery.
Peljor should really disrobe and stop humiliating Buddhism and monkhood.
infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's depravity and sexual abuses.
infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's depravity and sexual abuses.
You sound like Peljor.
Abusing the robes isnt as bad as whats going on on this forum? Interesting perspective. Your the only one defending him. Maybe you are Peljor posting on this forum. Wouldnt surprise me.
QuotePeljor should really disrobe and stop humiliating Buddhism and monkhood.
Whatever Peljor is doing wrong cannot be compared to the wrong done by several members of this forum including you who falsely accused him as you do right now of “defending sexual abuse” just in order to cover the infamous dzogchen playboy Sogyal's depravity and sexual abuses.
Peljor and his gang really seem to enjoy supporting and associating with sex offenders. What excuse are they going to make now? Not satisfied with Dhardon Sharling, Lobsang Sangay has moved on to assaulting Western women. No one gets accused of these things over and over again unless there is some truth to it.
So let's spell it out for everyone. First, you have Kalu Rinpoche admitting to being abused as a child. Later you have Namgyal Monastery monks circulating pornography. Then Sogyal, who has the Dalai Lama's support, basically admits to being a sexual abuser. This is rounded off by Tenzin Dhonden, the Dalai Lama's personal emissary, having inappropriate sexual relations with women even though he's a monk.
Peljor and his gang really seem to enjoy supporting and associating with sex offenders. What excuse are they going to make now? Not satisfied with Dhardon Sharling, Lobsang Sangay has moved on to assaulting Western women. No one gets accused of these things over and over again unless there is some truth to it.
So let's spell it out for everyone. First, you have Kalu Rinpoche admitting to being abused as a child. Later you have Namgyal Monastery monks circulating pornography. Then Sogyal, who has the Dalai Lama's support, basically admits to being a sexual abuser. This is rounded off by Tenzin Dhonden, the Dalai Lama's personal emissary, having inappropriate sexual relations with women even though he's a monk.
And in the ring, holding things up for the secular corner, you have Lobsang Sangay accepting sexual favours from people like Ms Sharling in exchange for political prominence. When that runs out, he takes to abusing Western women. Maybe Ms Sharling said no, maybe she wasn't able to satisfy him any more, maybe their trysts stopped being exciting, who knows?
But when he's exposed, what does he do? Like every typical guilty person, he shoots the messenger! Look, if you are NOT guilty, you're going to demand facts and evidence. You're going to say, "No, at that time you say I was assaulting Ms Butterfield, I was actually 10,000 miles away at this conference and here are the pictures."
Why would Mila Rangzen drag this poor girl's name into fray if he didn't have proof? If he was wrong, if it was false, she would speak up since she's very much a real person!
And through it all, Peljor, Carol McQuire and everyone else continues to support this group of repressed sex deviants. Yes, Peljor and McQuire support the abuse of women. They REALLY need to update their concept of "liberation"!
You know I have a suspicion that this disgusting gossip queen Peljor is paid by the CTA. This is why he goes around only condemning those not in CTA's favour. Why does he not gosip about Sangay and Dhardon then? Because it's obvious, they are the pay master. We Need to Talk about Shugden is just a gossip club for bitten, old, no life spinster, let them talk... that's all they have to look forward for in their life. But this Peljor, he deserves to be persecuted for being a fake monk, wearing monk's robes, no monk goes around gossiping as much as he does! Something is just not right about him!
You sound like Peljor.
Abusing the robes isnt as bad as whats going on on this forum?
Interesting perspective. Your the only one defending him.
Maybe you are Peljor posting on this forum. Wouldnt surprise me.
Of course, Vajrayana is meant to be practiced in secret with a few qualified students and a highly qualified master. When this happens, it is a truly precious path and rules of samaya and pure perception can be upheld in unexpected ways. The stories of Milarepa and Naropa are examples of that. However, when the qualifications of the Vajra masters erode badly and when the Vajrayana is given to unqualified students, then it is hard to speak of pure perception. Then it’s a difficult situation, not one that can be resolved by black and white rules of samaya, such as the ones laid down by Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche in his article. There is no clear-cut solution. Then we need the guidance of clear sighted, gifted leaders who are prepared to take courageous steps.
In 1976, Sogyal visited America to meet with another Tibetan lama, Chogyam Trungpa, who was regarded as the most extreme exemplar of ‘crazy wisdom’ teachings. Trungpa drank like a fish (he would die in 1987 from complications arising due to alcoholism), openly slept with his students and ran his organisation like a feudal court, surrounding himself with an elite bodyguard, sometimes amusing himself by dressing as a Grenadier guard. ‘The real function of the guru,’ he once said, ‘is to insult you.’ ‘Sogyal looked at what Trungpa had,’ says Mary Finnigan, ‘and said “That’s what I want.”’
As His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama said, observe your teacher and vice versa before taking on the quest to enlightenment.
Whether Sogyal is a qualified teacher or not, I do not know.
Fundamentally, the teacher-student relationship is the bond of pure samaya, correct view of the teacher and complete trust, in which the student not only vows total submissiveness to the teacher (training),