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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: michaela on April 03, 2017, 11:52:34 AM
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Tibet Burning
Please read this interesting article about self-immolation for Tibetan cause. http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/guest-writers/tibet-burning/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/guest-writers/tibet-burning/)
Self-immolation for Tibetan cause has been going on for many years. Most self immolation in recent years are associated with Tibet or Tibetan cause. We can only watch in horror as the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan leadership in exile refused to condemn or speaks against self-immolation to prevent any future incidents. Staying silence for whatever reasons can be deemed as encouraging future more Tibetans to sacrifice their own lives by burning themselves in the name of Tibetan cause.
If the purpose of the CTA to coerce the Chinese through this method, definitely it has not been successful. In fact China has become more suspicious of the Dalai Lama and the CTA. I really hope the Dalai Lama and the CTA will discourage any future self-immolation and find a healthier way to reach out to China.
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You are right! After all the years of self-immolation, I do not understand why HHDL and the CTA is not saying anything to stop it! What does it even mean? To see your own people committing suicide! They should speak up and protect their people, educate them the right way. How to get a country back by burning yourself. After 3 days, nobody will even remember the person.
The same goes for anti Dorje Shugden supporters. So much violence, discrimination, hatred, yet HHDL and CTA just keep quiet. Whether or not they are Dorje Shugden practitioners, they are still TIBETANS!! How can they treat their own people with so much hatred just because the practice Dorje Shugden. It is illogical to do that. Then why do they even want Tibet back? So they can continue to mistreat their own people? Then what is the difference between them and China? People of Tibet, please, committing suicide will not help get your country back. Please think of better strategies than waste your precious life for nothing.
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I find that the Tibetan leadership and the CTA are fooling themselves. Instead of bringing their people together, they can totally ignore their people who sets themselves on fire just to fight for FREEDOM. Why must the Tibetan leadership and CTA blame CHINA & blame DORJE SHUGDEN for anything that is not going on right for them? They should contemplate and see that the fault is with them. Are they really so cold blooded? They really should do something before more and more people take their own life.
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I find that the Tibetan leadership and the CTA are fooling themselves. Instead of bringing their people together, they can totally ignore their people who sets themselves on fire just to fight for FREEDOM. Why must the Tibetan leadership and CTA blame CHINA & blame DORJE SHUGDEN for anything that is not going on right for them? They should contemplate and see that the fault is with them. Are they really so cold blooded? They really should do something before more and more people take their own life.
Dear Belinda
Thank you for your comment. I do agree that Dorje Shugden has nothing to do with CTA's failure to give the welfare that Tibetans in exile deserve and to initiate negotiation with Beijing to secure autonomy. Instead, the CTA keep encouraging the Tibetan refugees to continuously perform activities that caused suspicion on China's side (e.g., self-immolation, using derogatory language when referring to China, etc.). The CTA needs to take full responsibility of the result of the actions and stop blaming Dorje Shugden for everything that went wrong with their government.
Michaela
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My question is, why didn't ALL the CTA people go and burn themselves instead of asking/provoking others to burn themselves? If CTA is really selfless, and self-immolation is really helpful, why didn't they ALL go do it? I am sure if all CTA does it, it would create more impact to the world.
The only reason I can think of that CTA themselves didn't self immolate is because they are only selfish, and they only want to grab the money from westerners for their own benefit. CTA would even ask their people to sacrifice their live for their own benefit. This is how cruel they are.
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Another self-immolation in Tibet. If the Dalai Lama continue to not say anything to discourage self-immolation, China’s suspicion on the Dalai Lama and the CTA will only increase. This does not serve Tibetan leadership goal to obtain meaningful autonomy from China.
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Unidentified Tibetan self immolates in Kardze
[Saturday, April 15, 2017 20:19]
By Tenzin Dharpo
DHARAMSHALA, APR. 15: A video clip showing Chinese authorities extinguishing a flame off of an unidentified Tibetan is being circulated in social media sites. The self immolation reportedly took place in a town in the Tibetan area of Kham in Kardze Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture in Sichuan Province.
A Facebook post by a Tibetan netizen called Jangchup Tibet Sempa show a motionless person on fire as people spray extinguisher and Chinese security officials swarmed around him, some carrying contraptions that were earlier reported to be tactical gear distributed among security personnel in occupied Tibet to handle self immolators.
While a hoard of on-lookers have gathered around the spot, police vehicles and personnel are seen arriving and possibly taking away the victim’s body as has been a practice by the Chinese authorities in the past.
No information on the self immolator is available currently.
Almost a month ago, Pema Gyaltsen, a Tibetan farmer, self-immolated in Nyarong County in Kardze prefecture at around 4:00 p.m. (local time) on March 18 and his current condition and whereabouts are unclear. However, some unverified sources say that he is currently in a critical condition in a hospital in Kardze County. The family members have also requested the authorities to allow him to be transferred to Chengdu.
In the wake of Gyaltsen’s self immolation, authorities ramped up restrictions in the area and nearly 200 Tibetans were arrested by the Chinese police in the aftermath.
The man becomes the 148th Tibetan to self immolate since February 2009.
http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=38931&article=Unidentified+Tibetan+self+immolates+in+Kardze (http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=38931&article=Unidentified+Tibetan+self+immolates+in+Kardze)
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No one, no government, no religious or spiritual head should condone the act of self immolation. Any responsible government or religious/spiritual leader would speak up against it. This subject should be talked of in the monasteries, in schools, in the media for Tibetans to be educated: that taking one's own life is not heroic nor considered martyrdom. The Dalai Lama should go around giving advice on this matter. But no, instead he goes around telling people that the practice of Dorje Shugden by the great Tibetan matters of the past is wrong. Dorje Shugden practice has not caused anyone to die, no one took their own life from the practice. Yet the Dalai Lama is condemning Dorje Shugden. So illogical and no compassion being shown to those who lost their life believing that self immolation is heroic and probably being called martyrs. It makes no sense that the Dalai Lama speaks of loving compassion yet remain silent on self immolation, an act that goes against the teaching of Buddhism.
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I hope CTA and Dalai Lama will come out to say something about Tibetans setting themselves on fire. This is certainly not the correct way to voice our grievances. Think about the family members and how the rest of the world looking at this issue. People will ask questions as to why it's Government does not say anything or at least do something to stop it's people from doing so. Probably people are frustrated that their wish to reclaim Tibet cause is not improving at all and have been in vain for the past 58 years away from Tibet.
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Self-immolation for Tibetan Cause has started since 1988 till now. If already 19 years, surprisingly is Tibetan Leaders did not say anything to stop it but add on the death person name on the list memorializes the deaths and pressures the Chinese leadership into initiating dialogue. However this was not successful after so many years but it make China think that it was all planned by Dalai Lama and CTA. Anyone has common sense should know that if this is going to work, it should work during the first few years after the first self-immolation because it involved human life. However is already nearly 20 years, what has the Tibetan Leaders gained for letting their own people kill themselves? There are many ways can contribute to free Tibet, we do not have to take self-immolation way. I hope that Dalai Lama & CTA to stop this in future and focus on to find others way to save Tibet.
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Update on the recent self-immolation:
Sikyong Lobsang Sangay reacted to yesterday’s self immolation by a monk in Tibet. He said that Tibetans are sacrificing themselves because the “represession in Tibet under the Chinese rule are making lives unliveable.” He is definitely not getting any closer to building rapport with China.
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Self-immolation Protest Reported From Kardze in Eastern Tibet
DHARAMSHALA: A Tibetan monk has set himself on fire in protest against the Chinese government this afternoon, according to reports emanating out of Tibet. The self-immolation reportedly took place in Gump County in Kardze (incorporated into China’s Sichuan province).
Just minutes into his self-immolation, Chinese police arrived at the scene and extinguished the fire before taking the charred body of the monk to an unspecified location. A grainy video purportedly showing the self-immolation protest is circulating on social media. The video shows Chinese riot police extinguishing the flames. (See Video) - http://www.voatibetanenglish.com/a/3811393.html (http://www.voatibetanenglish.com/a/3811393.html)
Other than the self-immolation, details such as the person’s identity and his whereabouts are currently unavailable at the time of filing this report.
With this latest self-immolation, 147 Tibetans have set themselves alight since 2009 in protest against the repressive policies of the Chinese government.
Responding to the self-immolation, Tibetan Political Leader Sikyong Dr. Lobsang Sangay said, “Last month on March 18 , Pema Gyaltsen, a 24 year old Tibetan farmer self-immolated in Kardze.
?Three years ago on this date, Thinley Namgyal, a 32 year old Tibetan self-immolated in Kardze. Such sacrifices by Tibetans in Tibet evidences that repression in Tibet under the Chinese rule are making lives unliveable. Therefore it is time the Chinese Government heed to the calls of Tibetans in Tibet who long for freedom in Tibet and the return of His Holiness the Dalai Lama back to Tibet. China must address the legitimate grievances of people in Tibet.”
http://tibet.net/2017/04/self-immolation-protest-reported-from-kardze-in-eastern-tibet/ (http://tibet.net/2017/04/self-immolation-protest-reported-from-kardze-in-eastern-tibet/)
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Taking life is never in any equation of Buddhism. Looking at the people that torch themselves for whatever reason is definitely a no! no!.
Reading from CTA website, Sikyong Dr. Lobsang Sangya only express his sadness and use his people death to threatened China for their independent. He didn’t even ask his people to stop this action. How can CTA keeping quiet for their own people burning themselves instead of protecting them?
His Holiness the Dalai Lama preaching for peace and dialogue to resolve conflict but why in this situation says nothing to stop this? How sad can it be to see more people kill themselves or stop as many as it can and unite the Tibetan and make them stronger?
Tibetan need to realised now how CTA works here and non of their action is protecting their people. They can allow suffering within their own people, promote violent within their own people, discriminate their own people. How can one rely on such governance? It have been close to 60 years what actually CTA has achieved in helping their people with the fund they received from other countries? We have seen how CTA use the fund to separate their own people just because they practice Dorje Shugden by promoting reading and visual material. How can this help Tibetan as a whole? How can this preserve Tibetan culture? How can this help the young Tibetan leaders? How can this promote human values, religious harmony? How can this unite and make Tibetan stronger?
I don’t see any productive action that CTA had done that worth for the world to say that they have done a good job for their cause and their really work their ass off for peace, unity and harmony. How many more Tibetan need to sacrifice for CTA selfish act?
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It is not possible for the CTA to request the Dalai Lama to make a decree for Tibetans in China to refrain from self immolation as it had been the practice for CTA to honour such suicides as heroic acts for Tibet's freedom. The Tibetans who died from self immolation are honoured as martyrs for the CAUSE for which CTA will blame China.
The question that pop to my mind is why should the very essence of Buddhist tenets be waylaid just to benefit the CTA's inept ability to talk and negotiate with China?
It is time for CTA to wake up, stop these futile efforts to have cause of Freedom for Tibet be placed on individual and take the responsibility to live in accordance with the Buddhist teaching of no killing or negotiate with China.
If a ban on the worship of Dorje Shugden be can placed and executed so well by the CTA, why not a ban on self immolating suicide. Why not??????
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This is sad. I have just read the update about recent statement made by the Sikyong. Why is he seizing this chance to swipe at China instead of asking his people to stop hurting themselves in the name of honour? Very clearly that he is looking for ways to put pressure on China and play the poor me card again. Lobsang Sangay should take time out to reflect on himself... do not go to such low and take advantage of other's patriotic.
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This is really sad, but the fact that the CTA and rangzen people keep promoting self-immolation victims as heroes is harmful to Tibetans. Now an innocent young Tibetan set himself on fire for a lost cause.
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Tibetan Teenager Stages Self-Immolation Protest in Gansu
A 16-year-old student in a Tibetan region of Gansu staged a self-immolation protest on May 2 against Chinese rule, RFA's Tibetan service has learned.
A source inside Tibet said Chagdor Kyab from Bora Township, in Gannan Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture, Amdo, set himself on fire near Bora monastery, a branch of Labrang Tashikyil monastery.
The source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Chagdor Kyab, a student from a farming family, shouted “Tibet wants freedom” and "Let His Holiness the Dalai Lama come back to Tibet” while he burned.
While his body was on fire the teenager tried to run towards the Chinese government offices of Bora Township but he fell down before reaching the offices. Chinese police and military swiftly arrived at the scene and extinguished the flames and took away the body, the source told RFA.
It was not clear on Saturday whether Chagdor Kyab was alive or dead. The source in Tibet identified his mother as Dolma Tso and his father as Zoepa, farmers from Dardo in Bora Township.
Following the self-immolation, the local Chinese authorities imposed tight restrictions in the area which made it difficult to obtain further information.
Since 2009 four Tibetans from Bora have self-immolated, and the May 2 protest brought to 149 the number of self-immolations by Tibetans living in China since the wave of fiery protests began in 2009. Of these, 125 are known to have died.
Reported by Lumbum Tashi and edited and translated by Kalden Lodoe. Written in English by Paul Eckert.
http://www.rfa.org/english/news/tibet/amdo-protest-05072017091020.html (http://www.rfa.org/english/news/tibet/amdo-protest-05072017091020.html)
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Indeed, Tibet is on fire but it seems like no one cares because no one takes appropriate actions to stop and prevent the same event happpen again.
To commit suicide for yhe sake of protesting is not a smart move, the opponents will earn the victory without doing anything because they are killing themselves which is solving the opponents’ problem.
People should stay strong and fight smart to get back their flag.
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Why are these young people are not told to stop killing themselves? As time goes on, we know that the suicides do not help the cause and from a Buddhist point of view, it is very bad karma. So, from my point of view, there should be actions taken by those in charge to stop them.
I really hope that the Tibetan / Chinese conflict will be solved very soon. If one does want to take action, it should be otherwise than killing oneself. The government should protect their people but this does obviously not happen. May the Tibetan situation improve and no more suicides committed.
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So, from my point of view, there should be actions taken by those in charge to stop them.
From the Chinese side they do their best to stop self-immolations. From the evil dalie's side everything is done in order to promote them.
So there should be actions to disempower the criminal, for instance denouncing his crimes, until he is duly placed where he belongs, the garbage bin of history.
I really hope that the Tibetan / Chinese conflict will be solved very soon.
There is no such thing as a “Tibetan-Chinese conflict”.
What exists is a conflict between Western hegemons and China, where the former uses the abominable tyrant dalie as a puppet in order to promote their destructive, imperialistic agenda aimed at weakening and dismembering the latter, which they try to do for centuries, as exemplified by the British-Jewish anti-China, anti-Qing, and anti-Shugden opium wars, or by the British dismembering of South China, also known as Arunachal Pradesh, graciously donated by the evil traitor the thirteenth dalie to the Jewish-British East India Company.
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Another victim of Self-immolator - when it will ever end?
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Self immolator Choeying breathes his last
DHARAMSHALA, July 22: The Tibetan teen from Central University of Tibetan Studies who set himself ablaze for Tibet in Varanasi on July 14 has passed away around 4:50PM (IST) at Safdarjung Hospital today.
Tenzin Choeying, 19, from Dhondenling Tibetan settlement in Kollegal, was a student at the Central University of Tibetan Studies. He carried out the fiery act outside the men's hostel following a speech by Sikyong Lobsang Sangay on the campus on July 14. He was protesting China's illegal occupation of Tibet and their policies. Tenzin Choeying was a member of Tibetan Youth Congress chapter in Varanasi and a part of the Tibetan Youth Congress' volunteer crew during the 2017 Kalachakra in Bodh Gaya.
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A handwritten letter left by him for someone he called Nubz was also posted on Facebook along with his pictures from the hospital. "My body is for Tibet and Tibetan youngsters to open eyes to learn Tibetan language," he wrote.
According to the doctors, he suffered around 66 percent burn on his body, mostly around the lower region. However, he has suffered minimal burn around his head and facial area. By Friday. his burn percentage had reached 90 percent.
He was also a member of Tibetan Youth Buddhist Association and Cousin brother of Tibetan activist Tenzin Tsundue. “Since I am an activist and I am proud of seeing a young Tibetan sacrificing so much for the Tibetan cause. At the same time being a brother, I am also concerned about him and his wellbeing,” said Tenzin Tsundue on July 14.
Son of father Ngawang Khedup and mother Tashi Yangzom, Choeying was the youngest of four siblings of the family.
Choeying will be cremated in Dharamshala on July 26.
http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=39317&article=Self+immolator+Choeying+breathes+his+last (http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=39317&article=Self+immolator+Choeying+breathes+his+last)
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When the Dalai Lama says nothing to discourage self-immolation and Sikyong was encouraging self-immolation, Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje is speaking against Self-immolation
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Karmapa urges Tibetan monks to stop self-immolation
Senior religious figure seen as successor to Dalai Lama urges Tibetans in China find other ways to challenge Beijing's policies
The Karmapa, one of the most senior religious figures from Tibet, has urged Tibetans in China to end a spate of self-immolations and find other ways to challenge Beijing's policies.
Eleven monks, former monks and nuns have set fire to themselves in Sichuan, south-west China this year.
Many see the 25-year-old Karmapa as a possible successor to the Dalai Lama as the spiritual leader of exiled Tibetans. Both men have expressed deep sorrow at the deaths and blamed Chinese policies for the self-immolations.
But the elder man also accused China of "cultural genocide" and has not appealed to Tibetans to halt such acts.
The Karmapa praised the bravery and "pure motivation" of those involved, saying each case had filled his heart with pain.
"These desperate acts … are a cry against the injustice and repression under which they live," he said.
But he added: "I request the people of Tibet to preserve their lives and find other, constructive ways to work for the cause of Tibet."
"The situation is unbearably difficult, but in difficult situations we need greater courage and determination."
Drawing on both his religion and the wider challenges facing Tibetans he added: "Most of those who have died have been very young. They had a long future ahead of them, an opportunity to contribute in ways that they have now foregone. In Buddhist teaching life is precious. To achieve anything worthwhile we need to preserve our lives. We Tibetans are few in number, so every Tibetan life is of value to the cause of Tibet."
Until two years ago – when a monk died after setting fire to himself in Aba county, where most of the cases have occurred – the practice was unknown among clerics.
But since the start of a security clampdown provoked by the second case, in March this year, there has been a series of such immolations.
The Karmapa said that, like the Dalai Lama, he believed that the real source of the problem lay in the "desperate circumstances" facing Tibetans and that using force was counterproductive.
"Repressive measures can never bring about unity and stability," he said.
"I appeal to the Chinese leaders to heed Tibetans' legitimate demands and to enter into meaningful dialogue with them instead of brutally trying to achieve their silence."
Aba – and in particular its largest monastery, Kirti – remains under heavy security.
Exile sources in Dharamsala said two monks were arrested in the monastery in the last week and taken away for unknown reasons. The numbers have already dwindled from 2,500 monks at the start of the year to a few hundred, with many reportedly detained or sent home.
The sources also alleged that 200 officials were now based in the monastery, monitoring life there and interfering with day-to-day religious practices.
They said officials had renewed efforts to enforce rules that all under-18s must attend the government school, threatening families with fines of 3000 yuan per child – a large sum relative to local incomes – if their children had become monks or were studying at monastery schools.
Police and government officials in Aba said they knew nothing of the detentions or other restrictions.
The Chinese government has said Tibetans are free to practise their faith and accused the Dalai Lama of "terrorism in disguise" because he has led prayers for those who have set fire to themselves.
A foreign ministry official said last month that the spiritual leader was inciting further cases by glorifying those who had self-immolated. Beijing accuses the Dalai Lama of seeking to split Tibet from China, while he says he seeks meaningful autonomy.
Separately, the Associated Press reported that a man in Tibetan monks' robes set fire to himself in Kathmandu, Nepal on Thursday in protest at Chinese policies.
• This article was amended on 18 November 2011 because the original referred to the Karmapa as the Karmapa Lama. This has been corrected
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/10/karmapa-lama-tibetan-monks-stop (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/10/karmapa-lama-tibetan-monks-stop)