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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: michaela on February 20, 2017, 06:52:14 AM
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More bad news for the CTA. Switzerland asked the Tibetan refugees to change their nationality into Chinese. Currently, there are 4000 Tibetans in exile living in Switzerland - the largest “Tibetan in Exile” Group in Europe.
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Switzerland revised Tibet policy to boost ties with China
From K J M Varma
Beijing, Feb 19 (PTI) In a bid to improve ties with China, Switzerland has "revised" its immigration policy for Tibetan refugees, asking them to change their nationality to Chinese, state media here reported today.
The "Tibetans-in-exile" community in Switzerland has found it more difficult to obtain an official identification of Tibetan refugee since Berne revised its immigration policy and asked those Tibetans to change their nationality to Chinese in July 2016, an article on the website of Global Times said.
The report quoted Swiss media as saying that the approval rate for asylum seekers from Tibet fell to 50.2 per cent by the end of November last year, while the rate in 2015 ranged between 65-85 per cent.
Switzerland, for a long time, has allowed Tibetans to identify themselves as the citizens of "Tibet" or "Stateless".
According to the report, Switzerland has more than 4,000 Tibetans, the largest "Tibetans-in-exile" group in Europe, and is a major base for Tibetan separatists in the continent.
As a small European nation, Switzerland has a high profile as human rights advocate and accepted some "Tibetans-in-exile" since China took control of Tibet in 1951, though Tibetan protesters were arrested during Chinese President Xi Jinpings visit to the country last month, it said.
The report said, Bernes denial of recognising the Tibet nationality has "no doubt dealt a blow to Tibetan separatists, as well as the so-called government-in-exile led by the 14th Dalai Lama."
It claimed Switzerlands move is a result of the "positive Sino-Swiss diplomatic cooperation. Berne must have realised it has more to gain from a strong bilateral relationship with Beijing rather than supporting the Tibetan separatists."
"Once Berne learns that it has a common vision with Beijing, it would certainly support China in its pro-globalisation efforts, despite the Tibet question. Western politicians used to play the Dalai Lama card to show off their ideological superiority. But, nowadays, the issue could be used to offset Chinas clout in the international community," it said.
The article said, "apart from toning down the Dalai Lama issues, Beijing should work on finding other solutions while making efforts to better integrate Chinas minority groups as the Tibet question wouldnt vanish upon Dalai Lamas demise".
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http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/switzerland-revised-tibet-policy-to-boost-tieschinese-media/1/886711.html (http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/switzerland-revised-tibet-policy-to-boost-tieschinese-media/1/886711.html)
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The report said, Bernes denial of recognising the Tibet nationality has "no doubt dealt a blow to Tibetan separatists, as well as the so-called government-in-exile led by the 14th Dalai Lama."
Funny enough, I've never heard of Tibetans living in South Tibet, now Arunachal Pradesh, refusing to identify themselves as “Indians”, even though the traditionally Tibetan region has always belonged to Tibet, until it was donated by the 13th evil dalie lame to the British drug dealers, also known as the Rotschild-owned East India Company.
This shows that such Tibetans refusing to identify themselves as Chinese are just those disgruntled ex-slave owners together with their zombie cohorts, all to eager to go back to their opium and heroine trade together with their Western bosses.
By the way, did you know that the opium and heroine production in Afghanistan rose 40 times (no typo, 4.000%) since US-NATO occupation, and that 90% of illegal opium production worldwide comes from US-occupied Afghanistan?
Did you know that it was the Chinese warlord Liu Wenhui the one who curtailed opium trade in Eastern Tibet (Kham) on behalf to the Shugden-friendly Qing Chinese Empire?
Did you know that Liu Wenhui and his family were close students and devotees of the Gelugpa lama and foremost Shugdenpa, the great and glorious Pabongkha Rinpoche?
Did you know that Liu Wenhui's main opponents were those so-called “rimey-pa” Eastern Tibetans so violently antagonizing and falsely accusing great and glorious Pabongkha Rinpoche of every impossible misdeed?
Do you really think that those disgruntled Tibetan slave-owners, traditionally subordinated to Western drug dealers, don't eagerly want to go back to their opium and heroine narcotraffic together with their traditional Western bosses?
Knowing this basic facts, one can simply connect the dots, and understand that the “rimey-pa” hysteria against China, against Pabongkha Rinpoche, and against Shugdenpas was and has always been about opium and heroine, and about serving their Western drug lords.
And, one can understand as well why some Tibetan separatists are so hysterical about recognizing their Chinese citizenship in Switzerland, and why Western maindirtystream media and billionaires such as George Soros and his Tsadra Foundation so eagerly support them.
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*all too eager to go back to their opium and heroine trade
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*on behalf to the Shugden-friendly Qing Chinese Empire successors
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The Swiss certainly made the right decisions on which side to support in the China-Tibet conflict. After all, why risk souring one's relation with China to support the cause of the Tibetans in exiled. The Swiss have so much benefits to gain from China mainly from the economic and financial points as compared with the stateless Tibetan separatists.
Wondering if the Tibetans asylum seekers would abide with this ruling or be strongly stubborn and ruin their chance of settling in wonderful Switzerland.
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The Swiss certainly made the right decisions on which side to support in the China-Tibet conflict. After all, why risk souring one's relation with China to support the cause of the Tibetans in exiled. The Swiss have so much benefits to gain from China mainly from the economic and financial points as compared with the stateless Tibetan separatists.
Wondering if the Tibetans asylum seekers would abide with this ruling or be strongly stubborn and ruin their chance of settling in wonderful Switzerland.
Dear Tenzin Malgyur
I agree with you that Switzerland is siding with China because they saw some benefits in the relationship. But I think that may not be the only reason. Switzerland is one of the countries that is known to maintain its neutrality. I do believe that the real reason for this policy is Switzerland does not see any legitimate future in free Tibet movement and came into conclusion that Tibet is part of China.
Michaela
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Dear Tenzin Malgyur
I agree with you that Switzerland is siding with China because they saw some benefits in the relationship. But I think that may not be the only reason. Switzerland is one of the countries that is known to maintain its neutrality. I do believe that the real reason for this policy is Switzerland does not see any legitimate future in free Tibet movement and came into conclusion that Tibet is part of China.
Michaela
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Dear Michaela,
Thank you for your input on the reasons behind the latest decision made by Switzerland regarding the Tibetans refugees. I would agree with your reasoning too. After more than six decades of trying to wrestle back their country from China, it appears to be that the CTA have lost their fighting energy and it have tried to divert the attention away from their failure by putting the blame on Dorje Shugden.
I feel so sorry for the Tibetans though. First they have lost their beloved mother land and now, some of them have to be identified as Chinese.
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Oh dear what is CTA and Tibetans going to do and say now? Switzerland must be thinking long term and whatever it is, it is definitely to create a better future for everyone including the Tibetans. Yes the Tibetans is really going hate and blame Switzerland Gov for selling Tibetans out but look is their free Tibet fight ever going to win. Let's get real?
If they truly want to preserve Tibetan culture, tradition, and truly care about the Tibetans in Tibet, then by all mean find a way to work with CHina and find a way to help their people without causing anymore problems. It is high time to put aside the past, though it hurts and move forward towards the future, the next set of Tibetan growing up will not even feel or understand the tragedies of 1959, so they would never have the same passion as the elders and the elders need to think of their children, not them. Sorry to say this, but nothing is permanent.
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Switzerland is right in making the decision to have a good relationship with China instead of the Tibetans-in-exiled. It is sad to see the Tibetans losing their motherland, culture and identity that they have been fighting for so long without any positive results. With the newly revised immigration policy by the Swiss government to change their nationality to Chinese, maybe it would be better for them and their future.
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The power of china is truly incredible. Even Switzerland now is siding more and more with China. Which is understandable, it is and will be for a long time, the most powerful nation in the world. They have passed the US for a while now.
And at the same time the CTA seem to be losing its power and control. Its own citizens are looked at as Chinese instead of Tibetan. Not a good thing for a government to have for its reputation and ability to control.
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The fact that Tibet is within China can’t be denied. Whether Tibetan leadership or any other Tibetan agree it is the reality that must face. Keep bashing China to claim their freedom is definitely not working as we can see the result after so many years. China is growing stronger and we can see many other countries are befriending China for greater benefits. I totally agree with what has been shared by Ashok Rao.
After so long of seeking for freedom what had Tibetan leader achieve or even convince the world what they have done to protect or to provide better welfare for their people? The fund that they have gotten from the west how have it been properly used to support their own people? How after so many year the Tibetan leaders still unable to be self-sustain?
Switzerland moves to enforce all Tibetan resident in their country to identify as Chinese is just the mater of time and I believe other country will do the same in very soon of time. How long more to wait for Tibetan to gain what they dream for after so long of fight and it doesn’t seem to work by banging the hard way.
Looking at how the Tibetan leaders separate and ostracised their own people using religious practice such as Dorje Shugden already good enough to tell the world how can they be success in managing their country and people. Instead of uniting their people they spend more time and money to create so much materials to ban the practice and uses religious practice as the reason for the fall of Tibet. How ridiculous it can be but this is the truth. Who will support Tibet now when they took away the religious freedom from their people and at the same time shouting for freedom for their country.
I really hope the Tibetan leaders can really wake up and realise that time is no longer at their side and more and more countries leaders will join China. If the Tibetan leaders do not play smart now it will be too late.
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Same with what the many people who wrote here, I too think that Switzerland has definitely made the right choice to take side with China instead of Tibet. Tibet is now already under the govern of China, CTA is now stateless as they are now Tibetan Government in Exile. What can Switzerland get if taking side with CTA? This is a very obvious choice and a huge difference is, China is growing to be more and more powerful whereas CTA is on the declining side, how can they fight with China? It doesn't make any sense at all.
If CTA really cares for their people, they should work closely and harmoniously with China to get more benefit to their own people and not keep going against China, if they keep going against China, it shows what is their motivation. I really hope CTA realize what they have done are taking them to nowhere, and change their attitude and bring peace to the country.
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China is undoubtedly the economic powerhouse that all other world powers cannot ignore, as the repercussions especially on trade ties will be severe f they were to do so. Hence, it is understandable why Switzerland would do this - requiring Tibetan refugees to change their nationality to Chinese.
Of course , this will be a huge blow to the CTA ,as this is literally saying that Switzerland does not recognise the Tibetan nationality anymore.Nonetheless, the question is how the Tibetans are going to accept this, that they do not have the umbrella of the Tibetan Government to protect them. They are on their own as they face the prospect of becoming a Chinese national. How long before they can come out of the "apron strings" of the Tibetan government, especially the Dalai Lama,remains to be seen.
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Switzerland government must have had the foresight of CTA not having any future at all. Moreover they also realised CTA have been receiving donations and did nothing to echo their cause - Reclaiming Tibet but instead dwell on the Dorje Shugden issue and make it one of its political agenda against China. On the economic level, one can understand how powerful China is and Switzerland understand its importance to not incur China's wrath. Definitely CTA will have no future as it has already been 60 years on foreign soil. I wonder when India will eventually give up in CTA too.
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Interesting article and i am sure this would have been highly attractive to a lot of the older Tibetans who longed for their homeland. I think once the Dalai Lama has entered clear light, Dharamsala would be destabilized. It would be pretty obvious that they will never get Tibet back by then and Tibetans would have to choose either to naturalize and be Indian citizens, return to Tibet, China and become Chinese citizens or immigrate to the West.
For most older Tibetans who had become weary of being in foreign lands for so long would find becoming Chinese citizens, a very attractive offer. I think many of them want to retire to their villages and live simple lives surrounding by familiar people and surroundings. I bright this up because by then, CTA would be no more and that would mean the end of the Dorje Shugden ban as we know it. Things have picked up over the years as more people are aware of the political nature of the ban on Dorje Shugden but I do hope the ban would disintegrate to a point where nobody remembers it. I hope that time comes pretty soon.
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It claimed Switzerlands move is a result of the "positive Sino-Swiss diplomatic cooperation. Berne must have realised it has more to gain from a strong bilateral relationship with Beijing rather than supporting the Tibetan separatists."
Well, this says it all doesn't it. CTA seems to be getting less and less significant. Do you see anyone except India who uses HH Dalai Lama as a pawn to negotiate and play power games with China. Nothing more but power and greed. China should ignore these threats from India and move on I say. The more China complains, threatens India, the more India knows what irritates them.
Sometimes even great leaders act like childish kids. I guess that is the nature of samsara.
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Switzerland isn't the only country. Even USA is siding China now. When 11 embassies signed on to a joint letter criticizing China over “credible claims” that lawyers and human rights activists have been tortured while in detention, there were two notable abstentions. One was the 28-nation European Union, although some E.U. members signed on to the letter. The other was the United States.
The State Department’s Human Rights Report, released this month, accused China of a slew of human rights abuses, including: “arbitrary or unlawful deprivation of life, executions without due process, illegal detentions at unofficial holding facilities known as ‘black jails,’ torture and coerced confessions of prisoners, and detention and harassment of journalists, lawyers, writers, bloggers, dissidents, petitioners, and others whose actions the authorities deemed unacceptable.”
Nevertheless, the fact that Tillerson did not hold a news briefing to launch that report, as predecessors in his job have done, also left activists and politicians wondering whether the United States might be wavering.
“For 1st time in a long time @StateDept #humanrights report will not be presented by Secretary of State,” tweeted Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.), a Republican member of the Foreign Relations Committee. “I hope they reconsider.”
From: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/22/eleven-countries-signed-a-letter-slamming-china-for-torturing-lawyers-the-u-s-did-not/?utm_term=.1edda24305c6 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/22/eleven-countries-signed-a-letter-slamming-china-for-torturing-lawyers-the-u-s-did-not/?utm_term=.1edda24305c6)
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US Declines To Join Letter Criticizing China On Human Rights
WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States has declined to join other countries in criticizing China about allegations of torture against human rights lawyers.
The U.K., Germany, Canada and eight others signed a letter raising concerns about lawyers and rights activists detained incommunicado for long periods. The letter urges China to investigate torture claims against lawyer Xie Yang and others.
The U.S. abstention comes as activists raise growing concerns that the Trump administration is de-emphasizing human rights in diplomacy. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson struck a conciliatory tone with China during a visit last week.
The State Department won’t say why the U.S. didn’t sign, who made the decision and whether the White House was involved. The State Department says the U.S. raises “serious” human rights concerns as part of “regular discussions” with China.
From: http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/03/22/us-declines-to-join-letter-criticizing-china-on-human-rights/ (http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/03/22/us-declines-to-join-letter-criticizing-china-on-human-rights/)
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I am not surprise to know about this. This is nothing new but one of the move that many countries leader will take to bond with China. A country leader must always look into the benefits of their own people. What come first must always be the economy of a country. Swiss has been taking care of the 4000 Tibetan refugees for so long, and I do think after 58 years, Tibetan-in-exile leader now should not just let the Tibetan refugees issues continue in this way, but put in more effort to unite all Tibetans around the world to improve the situation instead of confusing and splitting the Tibetans with Dorje Shugden issue. Dorje Shugden as a 400 years Dharma protector, should not be blamed as the problem of the failure of Tibetan cause.
The Tibetan leadership CTA cannot forever continue to hide and depend of the western countries. These western countries one day will cut off all the money that they have been giving plus very soon close down the Tibetan refugees camp. By looking at the growth and stable of China, Tibetans should have the chance go back to their home land, Tibet. For the benefits of all Tibetans, CTA should come out with good solution to deal with China. I'm looking forward to it.
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Many Tibetans have settled in Switzerland, due to the efforts of the Red Cross.
When the Swiss recognize Tibetans as Chinese, it just means that they recognize Tibet is part of China. There is no Tibet separate from China. One China Policy.