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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: LosangKhyentse on January 25, 2010, 01:18:32 PM
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See video: http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=1010
The term of office for the current Gaden Tripa has finished. He has successfully finished his term. He has the title now of His Holiness Gaden Trisur Rinpoche Jetsun Lungrik Namgyal. He primarily resides in France although he has a ladrang in Gaden Shartse, Nepal and Yangthing, Tibet.
Gaden Tripa-Gaden throne holder
Gaden Trisur-Gaden's ex-throne holder Emeritus
Gaden Trisur Rinpoche belongs to the Dokhang Khangtsen house of Gaden Shartse Monastery formerly. He studied and recieved his geshe degree in Gaden Shartse. Later he became Gaden Tripa.
Gaden Trisur Rinpoche has never journeyed to Gaden Shartse Monastery to swear in or take a oath that he gives up Dorje Shugden. In a stunning turn around, he has officially left Gaden Shartse Monastery and joined SHAR GADEN MONASTERY similar with other elite lamas such as Trijang Rinpoche and Dromo Geshe Rinpoche recently.
Gaden Trisur's household (ladrang) all together with HH Gaden Trisur Rinpoche have joined Shar Gaden Monastery.
It is a stunning and 'shocking' move as Gaden Trisur Rinpoche is a very high ranking Lama within the Gelug Heirachy.
Gaden Trisur's assistant was sent to speak with the current Gaden Shartse Abbot that he is leaving Shartse Monastery and joining Shar Gaden. It is exactly what happened to Trijang Rinpoche and his ladrang in Gaden.
So two big ladrangs from Shartse has left and joined Shar Gaden.
Gaden Trisur's throne that is in Shartse will remain in Shartse just like Trijang Rinpoche's throne although he has left Shartse Monastery completely.
HH Gaden Trisur Rinpoche was the student of the previous Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang.
This eventful move will embarrass the Tibetan Government in exile and also 'teach' them a lesson. That not everyone is afraid of them and there are high ranking lamas who will stand up for what they believe. With time, more and more monks will defect to Shar Gaden Monastery because they remain loyal to their lineage, lamas, and practices.
In Sera, Gaden, Drepung, Tashilungpo, Gyuto and Gyurme Monasteries take a fake oath as they put it to temporarily quiet down the Tibetan Government and their unjust/undemocratic persecution of Dorje Shugden devotees.
They stand up in front of the congregation(if they don't, then expulsion from the Monastery) and read the words that 'swear' they abandon Dorje Shugden and will not be associated with Dorje Shugden followers in any manner. The monks say they just read the words and do not feel anything from their heart. It is pure persecution. Many monks dare not say or speak out against the Tibetan government, but they are in that opinion. With Gaden Trisur's recent move, it will give strength to many who are persecuted up till today.
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ADDITIONAL CONFIRMATION: [/u] Tuesday Jan 26,2010
Half hour ago, a phone call was made to HH Trisur Rinpoche's personal assistant to confirm their entry into Shar Gaden.
Trisur Rinpoche's personal assistant replied a firm YES.
His Holiness Gaden Trisur Rinpoche Jetsun Lungrik Namgyal who was the 101st Throne Holder of Tsongkapa HAS OFFICIALLY ENTERED SHAR GADEN MONASTERY and left Gaden Shartse Monastery! He openly practices Dorje Shugden now!
He gives us so much strength, hope and inspiration. We thank HH Trisur Rinpoche from the bottom of our hearts. With tears streaming down my face as I type this to everyone here.
HH Trisur Rinpoche's assistant said that he went to meet Gaden Shartse's current abbot and told the abbot that their province in Tibet, their lamas, their lineage, their monasteries in Tibet all practice Dorje Shugden and that they would not be able to give up the practice.
HH Trisur Rinpoche CANNOT GIVE UP THE PRACTICE OF DORJE SHUGDEN. HH TRISUR RINPOCHE COMPLETED HIS 7 YEAR TERM OF OFFICE AS GADEN TRIPA (HEAD OF GELUG) AND NOW THAT HE IS A TRISUR, he will resign from Gaden Shartse Monastery and join Shar Gaden Monastery.
HH Trisur Rinpoche had to wait this long until the term of office as Gaden Tripa completed to MAKE THIS MOVE BECAUSE IF HE HAD MADE THIS MOVE EARLIER, THE DALAI LAMA WOULD HAVE REMOVED HIM FROM OFFICE. And that would not be good for the Gelug on the whole. NOW THAT HE HAS FINISHED HIS TERM, HE CAN DO WHAT HE LIKES. NO ONE CAN TOUCH HIM, DISTURB HIM OR DISGRACE HIS POSITION. INCREDIBLE PLANNING. THIS WAS RELAYED BY HIS PERSONAL ASSISTANT!
HH Gaden Trisur Rinpoche is residing in France currently but there are rumours he might visit Shar Gaden this year. Let's hope HH Trisur Rinpoche makes a historical visit to Shar Gaden. That would make a further huge statement.
The Tibetan Govt has been silent. No comments so far whatsoever.
The abbot of Gaden Shartse had nothing to say unsurprisingly. The new abbot of Gaden is said to have no strength and will power. The new abbot is VERY FRIGHTENED of Dalai Lama and Tibetan Govt it is very well known. [/b]
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WOW! Thank you for this posting. the 101th Throne Holder of Lama Tsongkhapa defects and joined Shar Gaden. HH Gaden Trisur Rinpoche (and his ladrang) sure made a stand on his Protector and how much he loves Dorje Shugden.
Not only has two very high ranking Lamas made such a stand, Dorje Shugden's name and practice has spread far and wide to the west as well.
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TK, Thank you so very much for this exciting news!
So much progress is happening in the recent months for the growth of Dorje Shugden practice. This latest event will only force people who have blindly given up his practice to have a good look. I sincerely hope that they will realize that these great Dharma teachers and high lamas (Gaden Trisur Rinpoche and Trijang Rinpoche) have decided to openly endorse the practice of Dorje Shugden because he will bring benefit to all sentient beings.
I am also very happy with the news because, to me, this symbolizes the turning point in the downward spiral of spiritual growth and practice in recent decades. This is an answer to the prayers requesting that a great Dharma Protector regain his position to protect us and lead us to higher Dharma practice during such degenerate times.
I pray for Dorje Shugden's practice to further flourish worldwide!
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Is it "Lunrig Namgyal" or "Lungri Namgyal"?
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Hello tk-
How can we verify this? I had heard the same about Trijang Rinpoche, but have no way to know if it is a rumor, or actually true...
best wishes,
cc
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Dear Crazy cloud,
You may call Shar Gaden Monastery and ask them directly. It is definitely true.
Trijang Rinpoche and Ladrang as well as
Gaden Trisur and Ladrang both have moved to Shar Gaden. My sources are must remain secret to protect them. But I will give you a hint, they wear maroon clothing.
TK
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What are the doubts about Trijang Rinpoche? That his ladrang is in or belongs to Shar Ganden is nothing new. Several of my friends were visiting Shar Ganden and of course, Trijang Rinpoche´s ladrang at the beginning of last Spring already, we are talking almost a year ago.
About Gaden Tri Rinpoche having finished his term and now joining Shar Ganden, it has to be true at least for two reasons that I know of:
1- He publicly issued a beautiful document stating that Trijang Buddhist Institute and Trijang Rinpoche and his people were entirely apt for spreading the teachings of Lord Buddha and Lord Je Tsonkhapa. This he did as Ganden Tri, last year.
2- Although my informants do not all wear maroon robes ;) I know at least from last november or december that they are waiting for Ganden Tri Rinpoche in Shar Ganden. I suspected then that it was not only for a tourist visit.
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This is the most breathtaking news I've heard for awhile!!! The Head of the Gelugpa lineage - albeit retired - coming out to support Dorje Shugden. How many more ladrangs will join Shar Gaden! These are not simple monks but high ranking Lamas. Amazing. Has there been any reaction from the TGIE?
Has HH Gaden Trisur moved back from France?
Much rejoicing!
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Dear TK,
God bless you for bringing this joyous news. What more do i need now? :-) My spirit is resurrected.This means so much to me in this confused era.
may the pure dharma of Je rinpoche flourish like waxing moon and may His Holiness the Gaden Trisur Rinpoche live long!!
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ADDITIONAL CONFIRMATION: Tuesday Jan 26,2010
Half hour ago, a phone call was made to HH Trisur Rinpoche's personal assistant to confirm their entry into Shar Gaden.
Trisur Rinpoche's personal assistant replied a firm YES.
His Holiness Gaden Trisur Rinpoche Jetsun Lungrik Namgyal who was the 101st Throne Holder of Tsongkapa HAS OFFICIALLY ENTERED SHAR GADEN MONASTERY and left Gaden Shartse Monastery! He openly practices Dorje Shugden now!
He gives us so much strength, hope and inspiration. We thank HH Trisur Rinpoche from the bottom of our hearts. With tears streaming down my face as I type this to everyone here.
HH Trisur Rinpoche's assistant said that he went to meet Gaden Shartse's current abbot and told the abbot that their province in Tibet, their lamas, their lineage, their monasteries in Tibet all practice Dorje Shugden and that they would not be able to give up the practice.
HH Trisur Rinpoche CANNOT GIVE UP THE PRACTICE OF DORJE SHUGDEN. HH TRISUR RINPOCHE COMPLETED HIS 7 YEAR TERM OF OFFICE AS GADEN TRIPA (HEAD OF GELUG) AND NOW THAT HE IS A TRISUR, he will resign from Gaden Shartse Monastery and join Shar Gaden Monastery.
HH Trisur Rinpoche had to wait this long until the term of office as Gaden Tripa completed to MAKE THIS MOVE BECAUSE IF HE HAD MADE THIS MOVE EARLIER, THE DALAI LAMA WOULD HAVE REMOVED HIM FROM OFFICE. And that would not be good for the Gelug on the whole. NOW THAT HE HAS FINISHED HIS TERM, HE CAN DO WHAT HE LIKES. NO ONE CAN TOUCH HIM, DISTURB HIM OR DISGRACE HIS POSITION. INCREDIBLE PLANNING. THIS WAS RELAYED BY HIS PERSONAL ASSISTANT!
HH Gaden Trisur Rinpoche is residing in France currently but there are rumours he might visit Shar Gaden this year. Let's hope HH Trisur Rinpoche makes a historical visit to Shar Gaden. That would make a further huge statement.
The Tibetan Govt has been silent. No comments so far whatsoever.
The abbot of Gaden Shartse had nothing to say unsurprisingly. The new abbot of Gaden is said to have no strength and will power. The new abbot is VERY FRIGHTENED of Dalai Lama and Tibetan Govt.
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Dear everyone,
We should write to HH Gaden Trisur Rinpoche and offer our deepest respects and thanks for his courageous act.
Lamas of his calibre usually like to stay within Tibetan Policies because they are doing well. Sorry to say.
Gaden Trisur Rinpoche has no qualms about himself, but his concern is for the growth of Tsongkapa's doctrine. Incredible practitioner. This shows that his learning is put into practice. How great during this time of kali-yuga and politics.
My faith and respect in HH Gaden Trisur Rinpoche went up a thousand notches.
I fold my hands and thank HH Gaden Trisur Rinpoche so much for showing us dharma practice is alive and well.
tk
Please send a letter to Him.
His Holiness Gaden Trisur Rinpoche
Thar Deu Ling
85, Rue du Bel Air, 77500 Chelles, Paris,
France
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Dear TK,
Thank you for your news and we share your enthousiasm for Ganden Trisur Rinpoche´s actions today.
There is no need, though, to criticize the Lamas that give the appearance of being with the "other side". Neither you nor me nor anybody can guess their true intentions.
Think of this: only some years ago you could´ve applied your criticism to this same Ganden Trisur that you laud today, because, who could´ve guessed which his intentions were and which his actions were going to be. According to your interpretation, he was bidding his time, but this is an interpretation after the fact. You could not be sure before. So who is to say what about those other Lamas? It's not proper and not realistic.
In a general way, and for myself, I have a rule --not to criticize, mind you, but to judge for myself the actions of those Lamas that give the appearance of being in the DL´s korlo. If they speak ill of our holy Protector themselves, and advise others to follow the advice of the DL, then I know that they belong to "that side". If they don´t say anything, or if they say that they just follow out of respect for the DL, then it´s like a code, it means that they are not in agreement with him but out of respect, or to protect the minds of their western disciples that are DL´s fans, or for whichever reason, they have to act against their own opinion. Even for some, against their own heart. This I know it to be true in some specific cases.
So you see, only omniscient Buddhas know what´s really going on in the mind of people, and in a general way they don´t reveal their status by saying: "I know which his motivations or intentions were".
But let´s rejoice in the excellent actions of the Ganden Trisur Rinpoche. Thank you for breaking the news.[/
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Dear A friend,
I fully agree with what you say. Thank you.
To add to what you say, it is believed that the Prime Minister of Tibet, Professor Samdhong Rinpoche is an emanation of Dorje Shugden.
Who revealed that years ago, HH Trijang Rinpoche mentioned that clearly.
tk
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You can write a "thank you" mail to Ganden Trisur using the website of his Centre;
http://www.thardeuling.com/spip.php?rubrique8 (http://www.thardeuling.com/spip.php?rubrique8)
I hope this is ok.
Vajra
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I have heard from very reliable and close friends that re HH Gaden Trisur Rinpoche:
1. He is a no 'non-sense' lama. Yes is yes, and no is no.
2. He is very direct, open and straightforward.
3. He is staunchly loyal toward HH Trijang Rinpoche.
4. He will not go along with the rules JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE RULES. He will think about it and speak up
if necessary.
5. He looks strict, but actually he is direct.
6. He was unhappy with the Dorje Shugden ban, but he kept quiet all this time, and refused to go swear in at
Gaden Shartse Monastery. He wanted to speak out, but he thought about the sanctified position of Gaden
Tripa, so he thought better to finish his term, and speak up when he is an 'ordinary' monk again with no
position. In case the Tibetan Govt 'attacked' him, it would just be him and no harm would come to the
position and create undue unnecessary problems for the Gelugs on the whole.
7. Gaden Trisur Rinpoche has a large ladrang with land in Gaden Shartse Monastery, conveniently it borders with
Shar Gaden Monastery. His ladrang is right next door seperated by one wall only. When Shar Gaden Monastery
had the series of teachings recently, all of Trisur Ladrang's students attended.
8. Gaden Trisur Rinpoche is also raising funds and spending his own funds to improve and offer needed items in his
provincial Monastery in Yangthing Tibet. He has recently sent a large set of Tsongakpa images from Nepal to
Yangthing.
9. Before the seperation of Shar Gaden from Gaden Shartse Monastery, Dalai Lama refuses to select any
candidates to be Abbots from Dokhang Khangtsen (house) because they are all loyalists to Dorje Shugden.
There are 300 monks in Dokhang Khangtsen. Later they separated from Gaden Shartse to form Shar Gaden
Monastery. Gaden Trisur Rinpoche hails from Dokhang Khangtsen of Gaden Shartse. But he kept his practice
quiet, and so Dalai Lama and Tibetan Govt did not know his loyalties.
No monks, and many are qualified, are to be selected to be the abbot of Gaden Shartse from Dhokhang
Khangtsen. The abbot selection these days are not by meritocracy but IF YOU WILL FALL IN LINE WITH
TIBETAN GOVT POLICIES. Specifically the Dorje Shugden ban. It is clear that the abbots selected today by
Dalai Lama must fall in line with his policies. Those that dare speak up are told openly and directly to
resign. Both the previous abbots of Gaden Jangtze and Shartse were told openly to resign last year. Dalai
Lama told them in a meeting that they are double headed. Meaning they still support quietly the Dorje Shugden
loyalists in their monastery.
10. Late last year, when Dalai lama went to Gaden to do openings of Gaden Shartse's debate courtyard, HH
Gaden Trisur Rinpoche did not attend. He cited leg problems. His absence during the Dalai Lama's visit was
obvious and bluntly clear. When the Dalai Lama sat on the throne at Gaden Shartse Debate yard, he
announced to everyone present, that he would not be conferring any teachings to any monks at Gaden
Shartse because some are still practicing Dorje Shugden and he is not pleased with them. He stayed only
a short while and left. Many of the Gaden Shartse monks were very hurt, scared and disappointed they
related. But they dare not speak up for fear of expulsion or ostracization.
TK
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There's a video to create more awareness of H.H. Gaden Trisur's joining Shar Gaden.
Watch it here and leave your comment in support! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOR_MHeEnOw).
More and more High Lamas are sending out a strong message and standing up for their belief in their protector. HH Gaden Trisur Rinpoche is just the latest to show his support. And Lhakpa Gyaltshen is right, H.H previous support for Trijang Buddhist Institute was a clear sign of his support for those who were watching. Amazing stuff.
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Thanks for the video. Just took a look.
tk
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Hi all. I've been coming back here to read and reread this posting. I truly respect what Gaden Trisul has done. He is so compassionate and puts Dharma into practice. What an amazing leader of the faith by example. He waited until his term ended before taking such a stand as to not "affect" the Gelugs. The way Trisul make a stand for what he believes is so liberating. Wow, I can't get over his actions...and may I never get over such action of compassion and skill. May Gaden Trisul live long and may Lama Tsongkhapa's buddhadharma reach not only the far ends of the world but the deepest core of our minds. To truly repay the kindness of our Gurus and Gaden Trisul, let us commit to practice sincerely and for transformation to occur.
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A long life puja will be done at Shar Gaden soon to generate merits for the longer life of HH Gaden Trisur Rinpoche Jetsun Lungrik Namgyal.
Wonderful news to share with you.
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Its really great news re Gaden Trisur Rinpoche. He really does not kowtow to anyone and is standing firm for his practice and beliefs. Yes, he did not join Shar Gaden during his term of office but that just shows that he is protecting his position and HHDL (who elected him into office). What a hero for the DS lineage!
May he live long!
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I feel that both sides are polarising and gathering momentum in skyrocketing Dorje Shugdan into world established Dharma Protector! Gaden Trisur Rinpoche has just mobilised into place. It will come when Dorje Shugdan would become mainstream.
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i have to say that I think sometimes that is especially outstanding and inspirational about these great lamas who are DS practitioners is that you don't really hear about them speaking badly against the dalai lama or against anyone for that matter. They are not sectarian at all (contrary to what people always accuse DS practitioners for being) and are usually known only for their sincere and lifelong practice as great Buddhist scholars and ordained members of the sangha.
Yes, there are also Lamas who are choosing to speak out more and I understand that they must have their reasons for that. I trust that it is also necessary that some Lamas speak out as it will draw attention from different crowd of people who respect the lamas more etc and would stand up and listen more if they spoke.
For me personally, I gain much strength in these lamas who don't speak out but send very powerful messages by their very action and practice - e.g. Gaden Trisur choosing not to speak out during his tenure, but moving to Shar Gaden when he retired from his post, or Trijang Rinpoche's move to Shar Gaden while also maintaining good/cordial relations with the dalai lama. They really represent Dorje Shugden so beautifully by never saying a bad word against anyone but just upholding the very thing that DS protects - the lamrim, je tsongkhapa's lineage and ultimately, the Dharma.
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Everyone's overcome with joy that Gaden Trisur, HE Kensur..., Lama etc etc etc are joining the new DS monasteries but what do we do to support them?
I hear from reliable sources that funding isnt easy for Shar Gaden or Serpom. Their needs continue to increase especially with the new monks joining them. But sponsorship is not easy to come by. Most people in the Tibetan community will not go to these monasteries for pujas nor sponsor the monks there. And Westerners may fight for their right to practice like the WSS do, but what about when it comes to the nitty gritty? These monks need books, robes, food, utilities etc.
Please support them. Contact them to see how you can help.
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Dear Dulzin la,
You are absolutely right. These monasteries are cut from the normal offerings that they used to receive from Tibetans. Anything will help, so if you or your friends you could do something, please do not hesitate, it´s always going to be welcome.
We had given a way to send offerings to Shar Ganden, I just don´t have any idea when. I´ll have to ask them again.
But Dulzin, if you happen to have a Bank address or some other way to send them offerings, please tell!
Thank you.
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...and who really knows, perhaps the Gaden Trisur was emboldened in his decision by receiving an advance copy of a new text with an uncanny flower-picture cover.
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Everyone's overcome with joy that Gaden Trisur, HE Kensur..., Lama etc etc etc are joining the new DS monasteries but what do we do to support them?
I hear from reliable sources that funding isnt easy for Shar Gaden or Serpom. Their needs continue to increase especially with the new monks joining them. But sponsorship is not easy to come by. Most people in the Tibetan community will not go to these monasteries for pujas nor sponsor the monks there. And Westerners may fight for their right to practice like the WSS do, but what about when it comes to the nitty gritty? These monks need books, robes, food, utilities etc.
Please support them. Contact them to see how you can help.
Dagom Gaden Tensung Ling has a sponsorship program available for the monks. For just $20 a month, you can ensure that a child will continue his studies and make a better life for himself and others.
If anyone is interested in helping these monks directly, contact [email protected].
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Dagom Gaden Tensung Ling has a sponsorship program available for the monks. For just $20 a month, you can ensure that a child will continue his studies and make a better life for himself and others.
If anyone is interested in helping these monks directly, contact [email protected].
Hey Tenzin Sungrab,
Great to post the contact info here.. i really hope people from the forum will contribute. Have you managed to find funds for your trip?
Love
Kate
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Thanks Kate.
Hopefully I should be able to leave for Shar Gaden in about 3 weeks.
Luckily I have been able to get a few pointers and tips from others who have participated in the English tutor program. I can't wait to meet the monks.
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it is definitely exhilirating news that HH Gaden Trisur Rinpoche has moved his office and residence to Shar Gaden.
Another block in the puzzle moved into place to pave the way through for Dorje Shugden to manifest his powers.
I hope HH Gaden Trisur Rinpoche continues to turn the Wheel of the Dharma and establish the sacred banner of Tsongkhapa's lineage firm on this mother earth.
Sarva Mangalam
HN
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Ha. Very interesting, if true... heh.
I heard today of recent happenings within all of the Gelug monasteries in Mundgod and Sera in Bylakuppe. Basically in order for Buddhas teaching to remain certain things must be observed, namely Sojong (regular gathering and confession), yarne (summer retreat), etc. The Loseling abbot asked the Gomang abbot if he was observing the Sojong and he said no, because in order to do that monks within 50 miles (whatever the exact rule is) must attend. Because now Shar Ganden is separate they can't attend, so doing Sojong would be perfunctory. ...
But this is something I do not understand.
Uposatha, or Sojong, must absolutely be observed. All monks within the boundary must attend, or if sick must formally excuse themselves from attending. The boundary is as marked, and can vary. But all those monks who dwell within the boundary, must congregate to practice the Uposatha and Pratimoksha recitation in unison. If this is not done, because some group of monks refuse to have Uposatha with some other group of monks dwelling within the same boundary, it is a case of Sanghabheda, a Split of Sangha.
Is this what is happening? Namely, some monks refusing to have Uposatha with DS-monks? And if so, why not merely set the monastic boundaries in a manner that there is no problem? If a DS-monastery has it's own boundaries, and a non-DS-monastery their own, there cannot be Sanghabheda, because there are then two different Sanghas who are then to have separate Uposathas. (Sanghabheda can happen only within a singular boundary.) Or do the boundaries mysteriously overlap, or what?
Strange.
(Hmmm. There might be different rules concerning the boundary in Sarvastivada and Theravada traditions, but still... dunno.)
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I heard today of recent happenings within all of the Gelug monasteries in Mundgod and Sera in Bylakuppe. Basically in order for Buddhas teaching to remain certain things must be observed, namely Sojong (regular gathering and confession), yarne (summer retreat), etc. The Loseling abbot asked the Gomang abbot if he was observing the Sojong and he said no, because in order to do that monks within 50 miles (whatever the exact rule is) must attend. Because now Shar Ganden is separate they can't attend, so doing Sojong would be perfunctory. Afterwards the Loseling abbot inquired with the older monks at Drepung about this and there seemed a consensus that many wanted to leave. Also with the former Ganden Tripa many older monks are now leaving Shartse and joining Shar Ganden.
Given this the abbots met with the Dalai Lama and brought this matter, namely that the root of actual Buddhism is not even being observed, and his face got quite red. Someone even asked him to say something actually related to Buddhism. The DL said that his ban on Shugden was temporary and had some kind of reason. But all this information comes second or third hand, is there someone that can clarify this situation?
This is WONDERFUL news... i mean the part that more and more monks are migrating or wanting to leave to SHAR GADEN and standing up for what they believe and know is TRUE! Just like what the we were all hoping it'll do with Gaden Trisur's move :) Thank you for this Hot GOSSIP Trinley! Although it would be great if someone can verify this??
In regards to what the Dalai Lama said... if he really did say it - well wow! This sort of gives a certain level of confirmation to the speculation of our heavy debate on the Dalai Lama's main agenda. Or maybe the TGIE saw too many of our postings on this possibility and decided to switch their tone? haha. (although some may not agree still). Do I sense a lighter grip on this Ban issue? I sure do hope so.
I cannot imagine how it must be like for the Rinpoche's who practice DS secretly in Gaden itself. I wonder how Zong Rinpoche is doing?
Love & Light,
DS
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See video: [url]http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=1010[/url]
The term of office for the current Gaden Tripa has finished. He has successfully finished his term. He has the title now of His Holiness Gaden Trisur Rinpoche Jetsun Lungrik Namgyal. He primarily resides in France although he has a ladrang in Gaden Shartse, Nepal and Yangthing, Tibet.
Gaden Tripa-Gaden throne holder
Gaden Trisur-Gaden's ex-throne holder Emeritus
Gaden Trisur Rinpoche belongs to the Dokhang Khangtsen house of Gaden Shartse Monastery formerly. He studied and recieved his geshe degree in Gaden Shartse. Later he became Gaden Tripa.
Gaden Trisur Rinpoche has never journeyed to Gaden Shartse Monastery to swear in or take a oath that he gives up Dorje Shugden. In a stunning turn around, he has officially left Gaden Shartse Monastery and joined SHAR GADEN MONASTERY similar with other elite lamas such as Trijang Rinpoche and Dromo Geshe Rinpoche recently.
Gaden Trisur's household (ladrang) all together with HH Gaden Trisur Rinpoche have joined Shar Gaden Monastery.
It is a stunning and 'shocking' move as Gaden Trisur Rinpoche is a very high ranking Lama within the Gelug Heirachy.
Gaden Trisur's assistant was sent to speak with the current Gaden Shartse Abbot that he is leaving Shartse Monastery and joining Shar Gaden. It is exactly what happened to Trijang Rinpoche and his ladrang in Gaden.
So two big ladrangs from Shartse has left and joined Shar Gaden.
Gaden Trisur's throne that is in Shartse will remain in Shartse just like Trijang Rinpoche's throne although he has left Shartse Monastery completely.
HH Gaden Trisur Rinpoche was the student of the previous Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang.
This eventful move will embarrass the Tibetan Government in exile and also 'teach' them a lesson. That not everyone is afraid of them and there are high ranking lamas who will stand up for what they believe. With time, more and more monks will defect to Shar Gaden Monastery because they remain loyal to their lineage, lamas, and practices.
In Sera, Gaden, Drepung, Tashilungpo, Gyuto and Gyurme Monasteries take a fake oath as they put it to temporarily quiet down the Tibetan Government and their unjust/undemocratic persecution of Dorje Shugden devotees.
They stand up in front of the congregation(if they don't, then expulsion from the Monastery) and read the words that 'swear' they abandon Dorje Shugden and will not be associated with Dorje Shugden followers in any manner. The monks say they just read the words and do not feel anything from their heart. It is pure persecution. Many monks dare not say or speak out against the Tibetan government, but they are in that opinion. With Gaden Trisur's recent move, it will give strength to many who are persecuted up till today.
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ADDITIONAL CONFIRMATION: [/u] Tuesday Jan 26,2010
Half hour ago, a phone call was made to HH Trisur Rinpoche's personal assistant to confirm their entry into Shar Gaden.
Trisur Rinpoche's personal assistant replied a firm YES.
His Holiness Gaden Trisur Rinpoche Jetsun Lungrik Namgyal who was the 101st Throne Holder of Tsongkapa HAS OFFICIALLY ENTERED SHAR GADEN MONASTERY and left Gaden Shartse Monastery! He openly practices Dorje Shugden now!
He gives us so much strength, hope and inspiration. We thank HH Trisur Rinpoche from the bottom of our hearts. With tears streaming down my face as I type this to everyone here.
HH Trisur Rinpoche's assistant said that he went to meet Gaden Shartse's current abbot and told the abbot that their province in Tibet, their lamas, their lineage, their monasteries in Tibet all practice Dorje Shugden and that they would not be able to give up the practice.
HH Trisur Rinpoche CANNOT GIVE UP THE PRACTICE OF DORJE SHUGDEN. HH TRISUR RINPOCHE COMPLETED HIS 7 YEAR TERM OF OFFICE AS GADEN TRIPA (HEAD OF GELUG) AND NOW THAT HE IS A TRISUR, he will resign from Gaden Shartse Monastery and join Shar Gaden Monastery.
HH Trisur Rinpoche had to wait this long until the term of office as Gaden Tripa completed to MAKE THIS MOVE BECAUSE IF HE HAD MADE THIS MOVE EARLIER, THE DALAI LAMA WOULD HAVE REMOVED HIM FROM OFFICE. And that would not be good for the Gelug on the whole. NOW THAT HE HAS FINISHED HIS TERM, HE CAN DO WHAT HE LIKES. NO ONE CAN TOUCH HIM, DISTURB HIM OR DISGRACE HIS POSITION. INCREDIBLE PLANNING. THIS WAS RELAYED BY HIS PERSONAL ASSISTANT!
HH Gaden Trisur Rinpoche is residing in France currently but there are rumours he might visit Shar Gaden this year. Let's hope HH Trisur Rinpoche makes a historical visit to Shar Gaden. That would make a further huge statement.
The Tibetan Govt has been silent. No comments so far whatsoever.
The abbot of Gaden Shartse had nothing to say unsurprisingly. The new abbot of Gaden is said to have no strength and will power. The new abbot is VERY FRIGHTENED of Dalai Lama and Tibetan Govt it is very well known. [/b]
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Dear TK,
God bless you for bringing this joyous news. What more do i need now? :-) My spirit is resurrected.This means so much to me in this confused era.
may the pure dharma of Je rinpoche flourish like waxing moon and may His Holiness the Gaden Trisur Rinpoche live long!!
DS was very popular in Tibet and now he is even more well known throughout the world. Millions in China today worships the Protector. The controversy between H.H Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden has even made DS more famous. DS is a celebrity! Indirectly H.H has in fact promoted the protector to the world. H.H has no objections towards Gaden Trisur Rinpoche joining the Shar Gaden.
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I find this very strange. The Dalai Lama has said that worshipping Dorje Shugden is spirit worship that breaks your refuge vows and causes Buddhism to degenerate, therefore, as far as this is concerned, surely the monks who practise Dorje Shugden wouldn't even be Buddhists, let alone monks? If he really believes this, why doesn't he say "We don't need to worry about the Shugden 'monks' participating in Sojong because they're not even Buddhist, let alone monks". End of problem!
Everything he has said and done regarding the Dorje Shugden controversy is completely illogical and he frequently contradicts his own position. I was listening to an mp3 introduction to Aryadeva's 400 by Alex Berzin that had been given as a prequel to the Dalai Lama giving a commentary to the text. Berzin said that the Dalai Lama loves all this prasangika reasoning and that when he explains texts like this, he likes to give very deep and profound commentary. If the Dalai Lama has this facility with prasangika reasoning, I'm surprised he can bear to make the illogical and inconsistent statements that have been basis of the Dorje Shugden ban from day one.
Whoever he is, he's full of contradictions!
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DS was very popular in Tibet and now he is even more well known throughout the world. Millions in China today worships the Protector.
Where's the evidence that millions in China worship Dorje Shugden?
The controversy between H.H Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden has even made DS more famous. DS is a celebrity! Indirectly H.H has in fact promoted the protector to the world.
It's good that Dorje Shugden's name is becoming famous because, as my Teacher said, even if people hear his name they get blessings but let's not lose sight of the fact that this is a BAN and the actual number of Tibetan practitioners of this Deity have reduced.
H.H has no objections towards Gaden Trisur Rinpoche joining the Shar Gaden.
When did the Dalai Lama say this? Do you have a source?
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I was told in Mundgod that all of the Gelug monasteries met together for Sojong, so excluding Shar Gaden is precisely the issue the Gomang abbot was raising, namely it was a contradiction to exclude them. So it would precisely be a schism that has resulted, or perhaps even worse a break in the continuity of the Sojong which could result in a technical loss of vows for refusing to participate, right? Most abbots and older monks in these monasteries are students of the late Dzemey Rinpoche, and it sounds like they're defecting the rule not to associate with the 'spirit worshippers'. This situation may be the catalyst needed for this problem finally to come to a head, and for the DL to end the ban out of simple necessity. But perhaps I am naive, and following the actual Buddhist teachings is no longer important.
From the bottom of my heart, I sure hope you are right. I am just waiting and holding my breath EVERY SINGLE DAY hoping that something as sudden and drastic such as the ban is removed happens. That some catalyst will happen to make this illoigical ban go away.
With respect, I ask you Trinley Kalsang, to keep up with your contacts and let us know what develops from this in Mungdog. Everything that has/is happening is illogical. So lifting the ban would be illogical, put that would follow the mode of how things have been running anyway.
Gomang Abbot mentioning this is this year? Recently?
tk
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I was told in Mundgod that all of the Gelug monasteries met together for Sojong, so excluding Shar Gaden is precisely the issue the Gomang abbot was raising, namely it was a contradiction to exclude them. So it would precisely be a schism that has resulted, or perhaps even worse a break in the continuity of the Sojong which could result in a technical loss of vows for refusing to participate, right? Most abbots and older monks in these monasteries are students of the late Dzemey Rinpoche, and it sounds like they're defecting the rule not to associate with the 'spirit worshippers'. This situation may be the catalyst needed for this problem finally to come to a head, and for the DL to end the ban out of simple necessity. But perhaps I am naive, and following the actual Buddhist teachings is no longer important.
wow if this really happens it will be like an explosion of Dorje Shugden practitioners and Lamas coming out from the woodworks! I cannot wait and I PRAY everyday this crazy BAN will just end and everyone can just do their practice, wear their DS pendant, T-Shirts and do prayers without having to look over their shoulder! Friends can be friends again. When this happen I wonder will Shar Gaden still continue? I think they probably would and we can all visit them without any fear someone's reporting us!!!
One thing is for sure Dalai Lama in consistently inconsistent!!!
Perhaps this is his style of giving us roller coaster ride which actually indirectly tested our patience, tolerance, ego, trust in our root Guru and the Protector. ::)
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One thing is for sure Dalai Lama in consistently inconsistent!!!
Perhaps this is his style of giving us roller coaster ride which actually indirectly tested our patience, tolerance, ego, trust in our root Guru and the Protector. ::)
Like when God tested Job?
Afterwards of course, it was seen by all that Job indeed had faith, and God was still praised as Great, but what about all those who were hurt and killed during this nice little test? So hey, the roller coaster ride was sure a nice boost for both Job and God, but something surely was at miss, or was it. Perhaps. Maybe?
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If we don't hold onto some hope the ban will be lifted and the DL declare his previous statements as wrong this is going to stain the Gelug tradition permanently decades or centuries into the future because people will reference his ideas as justifications. If he clarifies now, that will be taken as definitive and lots of arguing and division will be spared. Yes, there is still irreparable damage but better to fix something while there is time still and prevent future difficulties. If he does clarify that still doesn't mean the ban in the first place was justified, but rather I'd be willing to let some things go just to spare future difficulties.
If there is no hope for this then there is no point talking further at all....
i believe there is hope because it has been predicted. So it will definitely come to pass - it is just a matter of when. Many highly attained beings have indicated that the time is coming very soon so i think we will see history unfolding before our very eyes.
Perhaps it is the upcoming Dehli court case which will make the Dalai Lama rescind the ban... who knows. I just feel it in my bones that Dorje Shugden's snowlion is pawing the ground impatiently, huffing and puffing and waiting to dance across the skies!
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If we don't hold onto some hope the ban will be lifted and the DL declare his previous statements as wrong this is going to stain the Gelug tradition permanently decades or centuries into the future because people will reference his ideas as justifications. If he clarifies now, that will be taken as definitive and lots of arguing and division will be spared. Yes, there is still irreparable damage but better to fix something while there is time still and prevent future difficulties. If he does clarify that still doesn't mean the ban in the first place was justified, but rather I'd be willing to let some things go just to spare future difficulties.
If there is no hope for this then there is no point talking further at all....
i believe there is hope because it has been predicted. So it will definitely come to pass - it is just a matter of when. Many highly attained beings have indicated that the time is coming very soon so i think we will see history unfolding before our very eyes.
Perhaps it is the upcoming Dehli court case which will make the Dalai Lama rescind the ban... who knows. I just feel it in my bones that Dorje Shugden's snowlion is pawing the ground impatiently, huffing and puffing and waiting to dance across the skies!
I think one of 3 things could happen:
1) DL says definitively that the ban is lifted (whew)
2) one day, it just becomes okay again without DL expressly saying anything - this seems to happen within the Tibetan world. For example, it was a TERRIBLE thing for tibetans to go to Taiwan, and high lamas got into big shit for travelling to Taiwan... the one day DL himself makes a little trip there and now it's totally a-okay and nobody says anything anymore
3) nobody says anything, but soon, the anti-ds people just won't be heard anymore. This may happen when the Dalai lama passes away, for example. In the meantime, many DS groups, monasteries and teachers are gaining more and more influence in the world - not in a worldly sense, but in respect, even both the monastic and lay communities; in the number of Dharma centres or monasteries they have in the world; in their ability to teach the Dharma. In this increasingly educated world where people are encouraged and WANT to think for themselves, they are more likely to want to follow these lamas instead of the outdated TGIE who keep faffing about!
In a way, this is happening already. Many DS practitioners are not letting this issue sway their faith or practice and in fact have become stronger and more determined to uphold and preserve the lineage. They are becoming great beacons of faith to other DS practitioners... and so the good will and good energy spreads. people recognise truth and goodness when they see it, which they will most definitely see in DS practitioners and their wonderful, beautiful, truthful, kind lamas. That will be the greatest thing to quash the ban.
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This is one of the best news I have read in a long long time. HH Ganden Trisur's defecting to Shar Gaden gives strength and hope to Dorje Shugden practitioners who have been experiencing violence, threats and destruction of lives by CTA. This move will give courage to many to practice purely without fear. My respect and admiration for HH Ganden Trisur Rinpoche grew even more as he is not afraid to stand up and keep on practicing the pure Buddhist Tradition of what he received from his teacher because I have heard of Lamas of his stature usually like to stay within CTA's policies. It would be an understatement to say this but my sincere thank you to you, HH Ganden Trisur Rinpoche!