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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: Q on January 07, 2015, 11:10:03 AM
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Contrary to what the Dalai Lama and CTA have been claiming all these while that Dorje Shugden practice is a minority cult, a fringe sec of Tibetan Buddhism However, this is a blatant untruth and a picture paints a thousand words. There pictures here reflect only a small fraction of the activities by the vast population of Dorje Shugden worshipers and as it is, the turnout in one Shugden activity is higher than the total population of Tibetans in exile. Far from being fringe cult it is the core practice of the Gelugpas until the illgal ban.
1) Denma Gonsar Rinpoche's Enthronement in 2014 - 200,000 people turned up for the event
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Thousands of tents set up near Denma Gonsa Rinpoche's monastery in Tibet during his enthronement ceremony
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Devotees lined up to offer khatas to Denma Gonsa Rinpoche as his make his way to the monastery
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Denma Gonsa Rinpoche's entourage totaled to 150 cars, while devotees lined up by the side of the road, all the way from the town to the monastery in the hill side.
2) H.H. Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche's visit to Mongolia in 2014
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A big event, the arrival of H.H. Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche is covered by major news networks in Mongolia
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Thousands of devotees came to greet H.H. Trijang Rinpoche in Mongolia
3) More than 20,000 Dorje Shugden devotees gathered in Chamdo and Kongpo, Tibet; to conduct prayers to Dorje Shugden
In Chamdo:
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In Kongpo:
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4) 400,000 Dorje Shugden devotees in Chatreng Sampheling Monastery in Tibet
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More than 400,000 Dorje Shugden devotees gathered at Sampheling Monastery in Chatreng, Tibet during the the Monlam celebrations. Chatreng is well known for their loyalty to H.H. Trijang Rinpoche, and thus the whole region in Tibet are Shugden practitioners.
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The CTA is obviously trying to pull wool to your eyes and deceive the public when they made the statement that DS practice is minority. All DS events within and outside the border of Tibet/China proved otherwise. Perhaps CTA has to go back to school to relearn English or Mathematics in order they may use the right word to account for the practice.
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Wow...it is just amazing to witness the sea of people who are Shugden's practitioners and to those people who is claiming that Dorje Shugden practice is minority cult, these pictures shows other wise.
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There are also two Dorje Shugden temples in Taiwan , and not forgetting Manjushri Kadampa Meditation Centre in Ulverston, UK. Dorje Shugden practice is definitely not a minority cult!
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/places/first-dorje-shugden-temple-in-taiwan-hualian/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/places/first-dorje-shugden-temple-in-taiwan-hualian/)
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/places/shar-gadens-new-centre-in-taiwan/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/places/shar-gadens-new-centre-in-taiwan/)
http://kadampa.org/en/centers/manjushri-kmc (http://kadampa.org/en/centers/manjushri-kmc)
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Dorje Shugden practice is one of the core practices in the Gelug Tradition. Dorje Shugden is the principal Dharma protector to many Gelugpas for hundreds of years. Dorje Shugden is also a Dharma Protector for the Sakya Tradition!
Which Gelug Lineage lama had not relied on Dorje Shugden? His Holiness Pabongka Rinpoche Dorje Chang, His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche, 10th Panchen Lama, Kyabje Zemey Dorje Chang to name a few of these Gelug lineage lamas. Refer http://www.dorjeshugden.com/category/great-masters/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/category/great-masters/) for the list of other Gelug Lamas who are currently practising, those who are still practising but due to external pressure have to give an appearance that they are not practising, and those who were practising in the past. The list is not exhaustive.
Hadn't Dalai Lama and members of CTA been practising Dorje Shugden before the ban? Dalai Lama and pro-Dalai Lama followers were once staunch Dorje Shugden practitioners!
These pictures clearly show that Dorje Shugden practice is very popular and not a practice of the minority. Dorje Shugden practice is definitely mainstream. Dalai Lama and CTA stop telling lies!
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It's great to see so many Dorje Shugden practitioners! :) I'm really glad that although the ban is still active but there are still so many devoted practitioners out there. May Dorje Shugden be of a benefit to billions of people around the world!! Thank you so much for the information.
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This is proof that the Dorje Shugden practice is not a minor practice. Dorje Shugden is a Buddha and if we propitiate him, we will also achieve enlightenment. Dorje Shugden is Manjushri and because of his role as a Dharma protector, he is swift and powerful when called upon to help. This practice is highly beneficial and looking at the huge gatherings of worshippers, it is very popular in Tibet and Mongolia.
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This is amazing! Such a grand enthronement ceremony of Denma Gonsar Rinpoche. It’s like a grand carnival and parade that many come to celebrate together. It is definitely not a minority group as claimed by CTA. The lineage and practice of Dorje Shugden is authentic. When I check out the blog on the great masters (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/category/great-masters/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/category/great-masters/)), high attained lamas such as HH Pabongka Rinpoche, HH Ling Rinpoche, HH Trijang Rinpoche, HH Panchen Lama, etc. Would they be wrong? Definitely NO NO NO. :) 8)
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Seeing these pictures I wouldn't say this a minority practice. What's the big deal about majority? I thought we should respect others regardless of minority or majority. Obviously CTA doesn't think so and that they thought being the majority allows them the license to dictate what they can to do the minorities. Do note that CTA doesn't represent the majority as well because that is not the majority wants. The majority were forced to give up Dorje Shugden practice.
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Seeing all these pictures and the throngs of people on auspicious Shugden Lama events is proof beyond doubts that CTA is lying.
It had been disturbing to me that during worldwide public protests, the banner requesting Dalai Lama to stop lying, now it makes sense to me. CTA in support of the Dalai Lama is lying. Lying is breakage of one principle refuge vows.
Now the question arises in my mind are members of CTA buddhists?
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The CTA and their cohorts can say that Dorje Shugden is a minor practice all they want. The thing about truth is that given time, truth will be revealed eventually. If it was such a minor practice, then the opposition to the ban would have simmered off after 20 years.
But from the news and happenings going on within gelug organisations the number of gelug practitioners who are engaging in Dorje Shugden practice are increasing at an exponential rate.
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It is great to see Dorje Shugden practice is mainstream, with millions of people doing His practice. However, it does not really matter if Dorje Shugden is mainstream or not. To me, what is really important is that Dorje Shugden practice is given to me by my Guru, my Lama. I don't care if there are many people practice, or just a few of us practice.
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Seeing all these pictures and the throngs of people on auspicious Shugden Lama events is proof beyond doubts that CTA is lying.
It had been disturbing to me that during worldwide public protests, the banner requesting Dalai Lama to stop lying, now it makes sense to me. CTA in support of the Dalai Lama is lying. Lying is breakage of one principle refuge vows.
Now the question arises in my mind are members of CTA buddhists?
If you mean how Buddhists they are? I think it depends on how much one is committed to being a spiritual practitioner. Regardless if CTA is going back on their on words that the Tibetans are governed democratically then it just becomes empty words to stay in power.
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What does it matter if Dorje Shugden practice is mainstream or not? Does it make it right to persecute the practitioners if the practice is minor. Is it right to trample on the minority? You don't have to be majority or mainstream to be accorded your rights and freedom!
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What does it matter if Dorje Shugden practice is mainstream or not? Does it make it right to persecute the practitioners if the practice is minor. Is it right to trample on the minority? You don't have to be majority or mainstream to be accorded your rights and freedom!
Could not agree more. The obsession with being “mainstream” displayed by some self-styled “Shugdenpa” religionists only shows that they are under the power of the eight mundane concerns, such as praise and fame.
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What does it matter if Dorje Shugden practice is mainstream or not? Does it make it right to persecute the practitioners if the practice is minor. Is it right to trample on the minority? You don't have to be majority or mainstream to be accorded your rights and freedom!
Could not agree more. The obsession with being “mainstream” displayed by some self-styled “Shugdenpa” religionists only shows that they are under the power of the eight mundane concerns, such as praise and fame.
By saying and showing that Dorje Shugden practice is mainstream is not to imply that minority practice should not be accorded recognition and accepted. It is rather to counter the claim by the Dalai Lama faction that Dorje Shugden practice is small. Hence, by proving that it is Not small, their logic is debunked.
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By saying and showing that Dorje Shugden practice is mainstream is not to imply that minority practice should not be accorded recognition and accepted. It is rather to counter the claim by the Dalai Lama faction that Dorje Shugden practice is small. Hence, by proving that it is Not small, their logic is debunked.
Their logic is that a small religious group does not deserve protection, and therefore can be persecuted.
This logic is debunked by showing that any religious group, big or small, deserves protection, and that people engaged in the persecution of any religious group, big or small, such as the evil dalie lame of Tibet, are sociopaths, and criminals against humanity deserving due punishment.
Trying to debunk the evil dalie and his minions with the argument that Shugdenpas are a big religious group only reinforces the dalaite logic that small religious groups do not deserve protection, and therefore can be persecuted.
Now, of course, showing that Shugdenpas are a huge religious group in Tibet and abroad does serve the purpose of showing that the evil dalie and his Tibetan and Western minions are compulsive liars, as it is the case with socioptahs and criminals in general.
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Whatever CTA said is really no true look at the picture the DS practitioner in Tibet is huge how can they denied that this is not a major practice and carry on the ban , from this ban create so much suffering for the Tibethan community, may the ban lift as soon as possible so that more people will benefits from this powerful protector.
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I feel so glad that Dorje Shugden's practice is growing tremendously regardless if the ban is still there or not, and once the ban is lifted there will be a lot more people practicing Dorje Shugden and there will be no more disturbances or anything stopping us from practicing Dorje Shugden. Why do I say that more people will practice DS when the ban is lifted because, more people will be able to practice DS freely especially places like Nepal, India and Tibet because when the ban is lifted everyone will start to accept it, and when the Dalai Lama tells the truth that Dorje Shugden is not a demon, everyone will understand it and accept it as well. The Dalai Lama keeps on saying that Dorje Shugden is evil but really, have you ever heard of a story where Dorje Shugden harming anyone besides from Dorje Shugden takes trance and beat some naughty monks up because that is to purify the person's bad Karma. I really love my protector Dorje Shugden because he is always there to protect my love ones and myself. Dorje Shugden is a real Protector and Buddha, He is nothing close to a demon. Thank you for reading.
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I totally agree with what Jason said as the practice of a Protector is very personal and what "helps" that our Protector has granted on us, only the practitioners will know.
Whatever is said about Dorje Shugden is the same over and over, again and again. Yet what is the results of such blatant accusations? Nothing. But the fact is that Dorje Shugden is blamed for the ineffectiveness of the CTA and the cronies in that assembly.
Shugdenpas are multiplying due to the correct views and teachings of HE Tsem Rinpoche. Let us rejoice that such great Lamas live among us. Let us study more on the lineage of our Protector and be steadfast in our faith. The truth will prevail.
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I actually never knew that there were so many people practicing Dorje Shugden. Its good to see that so many people are still supporting and practicing Dorje Shugden despite the ban. Thats real devotion. When someone tells you to stop believing in something, you should listen to them. You need to stand up for what you believe in. And this event was the perfect example. It shows how so many people are dedicated to Dorje Shugden practices. Very happy to see this.
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There has never been a doubt that Dorje Shugden practice is main stream.The fact that almost all Gelugpa Lamas comes from the Lineage of Pabongka and even the Dalai Lama practiced it means it always has been mainstream.
The difference now is that there is revival of the practice because and in spite of the ban and because of China.
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I have known for a long time that the Dalai Lama is nothing but a liar. He is a complete and utter liar--- from the Karmapa (yes he has no right to choose Karmapa, my Gelugpa friends :)) but he does have the right from the time of the 5th to be monarch of Tibet--- I say we renounce him completely in Buddhism--- it's the only logical thing to do--- he is destroying Buddhism completely.
1. Shugden ban--- obvious
2. Karmapa --- picks China's recognition--- obviously a problem
3. Reincarnated Shugden lamas--- picks ones loyal to him that Shugden lamas don't recognize
4. his pretend Karmapa (the one China picked) is whose name the Drugkpa Kagyu schools are being forcibly converted under---
Why do we want this guy? We don't want the Chinese to pick the Panchen lama so why let either them or the CTA pick the Karmapa or the Dalai Lama---- we change bodies every life--- I was probably Tibetan before and goodness i might be again--- so let's get rid of the Dalai Lama as a holder of the Gelugpa school--- he was just a monarch--- separate religion and state--- for real.
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The CTA is trying to tell everyone that practicing Dorje Shugden will harm their lives and also the Dalai Lamas life, but they are horribly wrong. Just see how many people have practiced Dorje Shugden and got what they wanted, could a evil spirit or devil grant wishes? No, Thus there is no way that Dorje Shugden could be a devil or evil spirit he can only be a fully enlightened Dharma Protector.
The CTA says that very few people practice or support Dorje Shugden, but the pictures are enough to prove them otherwise.
More and more people are learning of the benefits they could get by practicing Dorje Shugden and more and more people are saying that it is good to practice Dorje Shugden, soon enough all the positive reviews on Dorje Shugden and worshiping him will blanket what nonsense the CTA has to say about Dorje Shugden.
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This is nothing but good news because it shows tremendous progress is being made and that shows that we are stepping closer to lifting this ban and we are a step closer to going global or really big with this news because we grow in followers. We are not only growing, we are spreading awareness to the other people that have no idea what we are doing around the world.
We are getting bigger, and the whole "minority" comment about DS is false as you can see. We are helping those in need in tibet that are being treated horribly because of the tremendous discrimination they are under for practicing Shugden. We are getting stronger and louder to this world. Lets continue.
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Dorje Shugden was never a minor practice, it has always been mainstream. Before the H.H. Dalai Lama banned Dorje Shugden practice, there were a lot of Monasteries that practice Dorje Shugden as well. Even the Dalai Lama himself practiced Dorje Shugden for 30 years. I already knew that Dorje Shugden is major but I never expect it to be this big. Especially the first event, 200 THOUSAND people turned up for the event. Like oh my Buddha, the place is so fully packed I can barely see notice that the monastery is there. I am truly amazed by this. Q, thank you so much for sharing.