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Title: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: kelsang on October 14, 2009, 08:31:05 PM
I dont really get the text though .. it doesent seem that he was found guilty in the sense of a conviction.

http://www.westernshugdensociety.org/index.php?/
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: a friend on October 15, 2009, 05:02:06 AM
It seemed to me also that the message was unclear. I asked a friend in Delhi and he replied the following:

There is no resolution yet. The Judge said he found discrimination and abuses against Shugden devotees. I think he will pass resolution after few hearings.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: LosangKhyentse on October 21, 2009, 12:26:33 AM
Dear Thom,

Thank you for your steady & loyal commitment to the cause of 'Free Shugden'. You are indeed an inspiring practitioner. Firm, steady, loyal, strong guru devotion, and keeps to the samaya you made with your teacher.

Your wonderful.

I am personally waiting very much to see COURT ORDER PAPERS from the Indian High Court you will be getting from Kundeling Rinpoche. Please do post it up on this site THE MINUTE YOU GET IT if I may request of you.


Your devotion to your practice is the example all of us will follow.

TK
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: godi on October 27, 2009, 07:58:47 PM
why is there nothing in the news about the criminal case and its results?
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: crazycloud on November 10, 2009, 04:16:54 PM
it is indeed important that we gain access to official documentation. Anyone?
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: crazycloud on November 11, 2009, 02:48:59 AM
thank you, sir,
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: Zhalmed Pawo on November 28, 2009, 11:43:24 PM
Incredible mumbo-jumbo, all that was. Now I understand why Britain and India cannot function as legalistic countries, but only exist as phantoms of lawfulness...  ;D

I think the writ says, that DL must show they are not denying Dorje Shugden People permits by December 9th,2009.

Hmmm... I think it says, that the DL-side has agreed to provide the court some names of DS-practitioners who have been issued ID-cards, and asked more time to provide all the data. So if they provide some names, they therefore can show that ID-card-ban does not exist. Therefore, since there are many old-timers, whose names and cards can be shown, the DL-side wins. If there is no statistical display or time-frame over the issuance of those ID-cards, the DL can prove his case by merely quoting the ID-numbers of Trijang, Zong and Ling, in conjunction with a few new-comer-DS-dudes from Tibet.

The only "wrongdoing" they can be held against, which they in fact admit, is "denying monastic refrenses (sic)", which takes the issue out of worldy court and into the monastic autonomic decisions. The monastic heads, the abbots, can choose not to give monastic refrenses (sic), and their boss is within his rights to formulate the conditions of those "refrensegivings".

The case looks bad, according to that Court Statement, at least, I say. But hey, it is India, so who knows. Just pay the judge, and that's it - did someone really expect to get justice from those spineless corrupt swindlers. It is an Indian Court, ferchrissakes.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: a friend on November 30, 2009, 05:19:17 AM
Dear Thom,
You might've expected a spectacular condemnation of the DL's actions by the Indian Courts.
This is not something to be expected. Kundeling Rinpoche's words are quite realistic:
... the ruling Government of the land will neither allow Shugden followers their rights to a landmark victory—which will undermine the prestige and credibility of the Dalai Lama. Nor will this government allow its honourable guest to wipe out the identity of Shugden followers in India. The existence of a controlled section of adversaries to the Dalai Lama—according to the sceptics—are useful both to the Indian and the Chinese Governments— ...

Furthermore, beyond today's political interests, there is one thing that the judges won't forget: that the DL was Nehru's and Indira Gandhi's friend and most honored guest. To go against him could be felt as a type of insult against these historic characters.

No matter what, the fact that the case is still in the Indian Courts is favorable to the Protector's people, it acts as a deterrent to excesive abuse from the political leader living in Dharamsala. Such ongoing protection is not to be underestimated, it should be welcome.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: godi on November 30, 2009, 11:56:04 AM
Hi,
this is a fantastic situation!! I am not a political / legal expert, but from my point of view, there are 2 possibilities how this story will continue:

A. The TGIE will show some identity cards which habe been issued after the ban has been enforced. Then the DL and the TGIE will find it very difficult to explain to their followers, why everybody is asked to not support Dorje Shugden practitioners but the TGIE is "helping" them. Also when the TGIE will show identity card for Dorje shugden practitioners, it will help Dorje shugden practitioners a lot, because they are no more officially seen by the TGIE as outcasts.
B.  The TGIE will not be able to show some identity cards issued after the ban has been enforced... This would not be the best situation for the DL.

Anyway I find the current results fantastic. Maybe I am too naive?
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: Lineageholder on November 30, 2009, 12:51:53 PM
I'm less optimistic.  Kundeling's background information on how India regards the Dalai Lama was very interesting.  They don't want to expose the Dalai Lama's illegal treatment of Shugden practitioners because he might be a potential 'weapon' against China if relations degenerate (something that the Dalai Lama seems to be encouraging to happen).  What if the CTA simply forge a load of identity cards and say there's no case?  I think they are capable of anything.  It would then suit the GOI to let the Dalai Lama 'off the hook'.  Hopefully it's not that simple for the Dalai Lama and his henchmen.

At a more basic psychological level, I think there's massive resistance to realizing that the Dalai Lama's apparent good reputation and qualities is based on a pack of lies and deception.  WE DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE IT. I've read 'A Great Deception' - it's well written, well-researched and contains clear references, but the extent of the Dalai Lama's deception is shocking.  You want to think it's just some far-fetched conspiracy theory and say "no, this can't be true' but the evidence is there.  This is one reason why the world's press are reluctant to investigate.  There is a credibility barrier equivalent to accepting, for example, that Bambi is a serial killer!  It's not easy to get over that hurdle.

It's incredible how much scorn is heaped on those who openly criticize the Dalai Lama, even though there is ample evidence to support their claims! (ask Michael Backman who has received death threats).  Everyone wants to believe in the False Lama and finding out that they had been duped would be equivalent to finding out there is no Father Christmas or Tooth Fairy - a massive moral and psychological disappointment.  Not only this - there are then recriminations for oneself being 'stupid' enough to have been taken in by the facade.  When the magic disappears, anger remains in its wake.

It takes a brave person to stand up and expose the DL for the fraud that he is because, even if they are believed (and there is a very high credibility barrier) they will then have to bear the disappointment and anger of a disillusioned world that wants to believe that the Dalai Lama is pure, compassionate and selfless for the sake of their own happiness and encouragement.  That's quite a burden to bear.  Who is brave enough to do this?  Not the Government of India in the form of the Indian High Court, I fear.

I think it's sad that such a self-serving politician has managed to become such a great spiritual icon and beacon of hope for many people.  There can be nothing but suffering and disillusionment for the world as a result.  Either that, or they will become complicit in maintaining the lie because the truth is just too painful to bear.  Either way, everyone loses.  The reputation of Buddhism will be in tatters or the Dalai Lama will continue to abuse his name, power and position, continuing to cause suffering to millions.  Not a great prospect, or I am being too pessimistic?  Perhaps its enough that it seems the GOI will prevent the Dalai Lama inflicting the worst excesses of persecution on Shugden practitioners.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: a friend on November 30, 2009, 09:51:54 PM
Lineageholder, you say:

The reputation of Buddhism will be in tatters or the Dalai Lama will continue to abuse his name, power and position, continuing to cause suffering to millions.  Not a great prospect, or I am being too pessimistic?  Perhaps its enough that it seems the GOI will prevent the Dalai Lama inflicting the worst excesses of persecution on Shugden practitioners

At the beginning of this website we were discussing the matter of amply revealing or not revealing to the world what was going on with the 1996 ban. I was of the opinion that it was best to remain silent for the reason you give, that since DL has been the face of Buddhism for the world then it was impossible to inflict such suffering of disillusionment and ensuing lack of faith to unaccountable people. Afterwards, of course, came the incredible schism imposed from the Dalai Lama on our main monasteries, and the total persecution of practitioners around the world in the Tibetan communities, Dharma Centers, etc.

When that happened, I have to say that the main thought was to try to defend people against the abuse, mainly the monks from being physically attacked and ostracized. The two abbotts from Sera Je and Sera May alerted the Pomra monks that the DL wanted them not only out of the monasteries but out of India altogether. Actually many went back to Tibet. So that level of abuse made it impossible not to do something to stop the DL ... hence the innumerable messages to Indian authorities, to the Press around the world etc.

I always thought that the manners of the WSS were not entirely appropriate and I fear that Z.P. is right, they might not be taken seriously by many because of it, because of sounding a bit tabloid like (well, tabloids are a British specialty, so of course they were influenced by that style, and it works for some people). But I have to confess that their rough style during the demonstrations was probably the best external protection for those monks in India, because the demos focused the world on the existence of the problem itself. Of course, as you say, afterwards the world chooses to ignore it. But since that taking off the lid already happened, Dharamsala knows that now there are boundaries, and if new abuses were to arise, then the eyes of the world would pick up on them much quicker and with more informative basis than it was possible up until before the Summer of 2008.

But yes, I think that all of that is enough. The ghost of more demonstrations and the unwillingness of the Indian government to allow the excesses of persecution against the Protector´s practitioners are enough deterrent, enough protection. We should not try to force people to give up their faith in the Dalai Lama for the reasons that you yourself are stating so eloquently. And I sincerely think that ourselves we should just try to forget about him. His kind Teacher will take care of him and his problems, we don´t have to focus any more in what he's done. This does not preclude the fact that we have to constantly be alert about new negative developments. I sincerely hope they won´t happen.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: crazycloud on December 02, 2009, 05:27:19 PM
But how about this as a possible option:

TGIE supplies evidence of having given travel documents and government services to DS practitioners, and they are shown to have been falsified. Big trouble for DL if this is shown.

OR

TGIE produces very limited evidence of travel documents and government services to DS practitioners (all they will actually have) and THOUSANDS of DS practitioners testify to the oppopsite, giving massive evidence of persecution and misrepresentation, perjury etc from DL, Kalon Tri and the TGIE overall. VERY bad for DL.


I would love to see this go into overtime...the longer it goes on the more vulnerable "His Holiness" is. The more he lies, the more exposed he becomes.

This opportunity must be capitalized upon, it will likely not come again....
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: a friend on December 12, 2009, 08:42:57 PM
In view of some valuable information published here by Thom (and who knows why retrieved), about the Court case in India, where it says that some procedures are posponed to some date in early 2010; and other informations as well, where it's very clear that the Court case is still going on, I suggest that we change the title of this thread, that is misleading.
The Court didn't find the DL guilty of anything at all, because there has been no law judgement, sentence or judiciary decision, in other words no condemnation of any sort against him. The Court goes on demanding more data, or dealing with procedural matters regarding moves from the parties involved. It has not issued any decision, whether finding the DL guilty nor innocent. This is going to take still some time to happen, if it ever happens ...
So hoping that this is not too much to ask, please change the title of this thread! Thank you.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: LosangKhyentse on December 15, 2009, 08:21:12 AM



We must forgive this Geshe Tashi Tsethar. He is unexposed and uneducated beyond his buddhist training. Being educated does not mean you have a wide, open, exposed view of the world. At the same time he desperately wants to get into the Dalai Lama's good books. His attempt to 5 mins of claim to fame within the Tibetan exile communities. May Geshe have happiness, correct view and peace. May he put his buddhist learning into solitary retreats ending in realizations.  


1. Can such a letter take weight in any democratic country such as US, UK, Germany, Australia, Taiwan, Japan, Canada, France, etc?



2. What democratic country in the world TODAY would tolerate ostracizing a group because of their religious beliefs?



3. What leader in the democratic countries today can openly say to avoid and not have any spiritual/material connections with a group of people because of their relgious beliefs?



4. What democratic govt or it's ppl would OFFICIALLY ban a type of worship of any god, deity or divine being?



5. In democratic countries, if you wish, you may worship satan. The govt must provide satan worshippers with full rights as with any other citizens of their country.



6. In Majority Catholic Italy, there are jews, muslims, buddhists, sikhs, hindus also. But the minorities religions have not federal or state bans/rules/ostracization against them. The pope and the prime minister of Italy couldn't speak against other minority religions or practices.



7. The many Tibetans go along with what the Dalai lama says because they are not exposed to the outside world, democracy or freedom. If you don't fall in line with the Dalai Lama, you are a traitor

and branded a Chinese spy instantly. That would mean further ostracization from the Tibetan Communities and it would be taboo or traitorous to associate with you.



8. The Dalai Lama should not ostracize or speak out against any religious practice within Tibet and outside. Muslims, jews, christians, hindus, satanists all can join in his talks, ceremonies, initiations

if they wish. They are not in alignment with his thought at all. I would say that Dorje Shugden ppl are not in alignment with his thought on one issue only. So Why are they not given the same rights as other exiled Tibetans.



9. If the Dalai Lama wants to bring peace, closure and autonomy for Tibet, he must go to Beijing, and make friends with the Chinese Govt before it is too late. After all, he is in his seventies already. Branding Tibetans to be on Chinese payroll, but at the same time calling the chinese his sisters/brothers does not make sense.



10. Dorje shugden worshippers just like any other citizens of this planet do not deserve to be biased or sidelined due to their religious beliefs in today's 21st century modern world of science and
'enlightenment'.



TK

Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: a friend on December 16, 2009, 12:19:13 AM
Thank you TK for your compassionate, thoughtful comments. We definitely have to develop compassion for them all --those whose views and actions are so unfortunate. After all, they are our beloved mothers of old, who treated us with such kindness in so many past lives.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: crazycloud on December 31, 2009, 12:39:55 AM
I agree with Mr. "a friend"! Change the name of the thread until such time as we have some good, solid evidence that we can show. As for now, there has been no verdict.

So what about the Dec 9 court date? Any news from anyone?

 ???
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: emptymountains on December 31, 2009, 02:48:20 AM
I saw that Thom had posted this elsewhere:

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No definitions were found for THE HIGH COURT OF DELHI AT NEW DELHI W.P.(C) 2222/2008 DORJEET SHUGDEN DEVOTEES CHRITABLE and RELIGIOUS SOCIETY ..... Petitioner Through Mr. Sanjay Jain, Sr. Advocate with Mr. Jayant Tripathi and Ms. Ruchi Jain, Advocates. versus UOI and ORS. ..... Respondents Through Mr. Atul Nanda, Mr. Sumeer Sodhi and Mr. Gaurav Gupta, Advocates for UOI. CORAM: HON'BLE MR. JUSTICE SANJIV KHANNA O R D E R 09.12.2009 Learned counsel appearing for the petitioner prays for four weeks time to file response to the additional affidavit filed by the respondents on 7th December, 2009. Learned Standing Counsel appearing for UOI points out that the affidavit in support of the amended writ petition is dated 2nd April, 2008 and the amended writ petition is dated 5th April, 2008. Learned counsel for the petitioner states that he will take corrective steps. Re-list on 29th March, 2010. SANJIV KHANNA, J. DECEMBER 09, 2009 VKR.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: crazycloud on December 31, 2009, 07:39:59 PM
ok, Thanks.

So another delay, til March this time......
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: a friend on January 01, 2010, 01:58:33 AM
Well, you are quite the poet, Chief!
But let's leave aside too many adjectifs. Here in this forum several people have said and I think you were among them, that the Lamas think that the Dalai lama is sick.
So let's show some compassion that and only act when it's needed, let's go against his actions only whenever it's the moment to defend the innocent. The rest of the time, well, you know what I think.

HAPPY NEW YEAR AND HAPPY DECADE!
Let's thank with our heart all our holy Lamas, starting with Lord Buddha Shakyamuni, for all the teachings and the inspiration.
And let's thank our Protector, the Dharmapala Wisdom Buddha Dorje Shugden.
May his waves of inspiration and his enlightened actions continue and increase.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: Zhalmed Pawo on January 01, 2010, 03:45:48 AM
Well, while I'm definitely PRO-Shugden, I'm not so sure if I should be ANTI-Dalai. There is that catch, you see.

I might be anti-establishment and anti-'papal', but the old Tibetan idiocies are not my interest, as they do not touch me, or anyone else, excepting the old idiots and their followers. Maintaining the lineal integrity of different traditions is of course a great thing, but then again... We shall see.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: emptymountains on January 03, 2010, 12:59:31 PM
(Speaking up for Thom here, since I'm guessing this thread is why he left...?)

Believe it or not, this is my first time actually reading what has been said... Only act when needed? How about not stopping action until it's no longer needed? Only act when it's time to defend the innocent? Look at what the DL has been up to the past 2 years! Now is to the time to protect the pitiful and protectorless! Besides, did hoping it would all go away (from 1998-2008) work out for us in the end? Samsara has never ended on its own, and it never will.

Wrath is 'forceful compassion', so why is showing the DL a wrathful response not being compassionate towards him? ZP says he's pro-Shugden but not anti-DL. (I guess Thom's message--since deleted--sounded anti-DL?) Well, if we are identifying (a) the DL's true self with (b) the object of his self-cherishing--the latter being the actual object of Thom's wrathful response--then it's easy for us to take his words as being anti-DL, but in reality they are "anti-DL's delusions". Yes, the DL's sick, and you cure the patient by treating the disease: his ego.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: a friend on January 06, 2010, 04:06:23 AM
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(Speaking up for Thom here, since I'm guessing this thread is why he left...?)
Thom has been coming and going under different denominations since the beginning of his presence in this website. Besides he didn't leave, he's extremely active in the Guestroom.  

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Only act when needed? How about not stopping action until it's no longer needed?
Dear Emptymountains, I partially agree with you. That depends, though, on what you call action. For example, I pray and hope that Trinley Kelsang will never stop doing his research. His actions are thoroughly correct and useful, not only now but in the future, as far as history lasts in the world. Because he is trying to restore the truth.
Other actions do not possess all those qualities.

I don't know which wrathful compassionate response you are referring to. Insults, name calling, hateful speech are not compassionate, they are just wrong speech. But I don't want to start an ethical discussion here.
Let's forget about Buddhist conduct and focus on "no longer needed". Efficacy. If you are looking for a change in public opinion about our issue, then insults, name calling, hateful speech are not efficacious. On the contrary. It’s a well known phenomenon in communication that a good portion of the public takes the side of the person who is attacked with that type of speech. In the case of DL he has so few words to utter to deflate even good arguments, imagine hateful speech … it directly acts in his favor.
One thing is to point to his actions. This has to be done when it has to be done and we’ve done it. That it will be necessary to continue doing it is very probable. But not all the time, not in any field at random.
And then, another thing is to call him names.
One thing is to say: “The Dalai Lama has prompted the religious and social persecution of a portion of the Tibetan community around the world.”
Another thing is to say: “The D. L. is a bandit, a fake Lama, a thief, a dictator, a liar.”
Emptymountains, honestly, which of those types of utterances are going to have at least a chance to be taken seriously?

And then, forget communication, forget Buddhism. Just out of respect for ourselves as human beings we should refrain from insults and hateful speech.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: emptymountains on January 06, 2010, 07:47:04 PM
The following are not my words (posted publically as a comment to one of my since-deleted blog posts), but they did help me to understand the apparent name-calling:

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The term “hypocrite” is a valid description from a Prasangika point of view. It means someone who makes critical statements about others, but doesn’t adequately evaluate their own behavior from the same point of view. They are therefore “under critical” of their own behavior. “Hypocrisy” is a perfect criticism of someone’s position from a Prasangika point of view. It shows that there is a contradiction between their words and their actions.

“Dictator” is also a fine description for a Prasangika to give someone. It is not any violation of rules of logic and debate to describe someone as a dictator if they are imposing heavy and self-serving rules or punishments, expecting immediate compliance, and then punishing people if they don’t comply. It points out an implicit contradiction in a person’s behavior, since they are wishing to control and command others, but don’t want to hear any feedback or be in any way controlled themselves. Because there is a contradiction in how they behave towards others and how they would want people to treat them, then a dictator’s position is invalid from a Prasangika’s point of view.

[Name-calling is] just childish behavior, and that’s not what the WSS is doing. Although terms like “Liar”, “Hypocrite”, and “Dictator” are unpleasant to hear, it is not inappropriate for Prasangikas to publicly use those terms to describe others’ behavior if that is an accurate description. You can’t call these terms “un-Buddhist” … they are descriptive terms. There’s nothing “un-Buddhist” about publicly pointing out another person’s faults if you are free from any self-centered motivation in doing so, and if this action is necessary in order to prevent the person from causing further harm and suffering.

“Buddhist” does not equal “always being quiet and polite and never saying or doing anything that might upset people”. That’s good practice in general, but it is not sufficient in every case.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: a friend on January 06, 2010, 10:22:59 PM

Emptymountains,
The author! If it's not your words, and you invoque the authority of those words, then you need to give the source.

Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: a friend on January 06, 2010, 10:45:49 PM
Thom,
You can post in the Forum all you want, as usual. You come and go as it pleases you.

Now about your speech.
If your motivation is to make this “bad boy” get his “comeuppins”, then I wonder who is being naïf here. Do you think your words are going to change him? Do you think your words are going to destroy his reputation? Do you think your words are making him depressed or unhappy?
Unfortunately I suspect that your words are making him quite happy. I don’t know in Oriental countries but in Western countries your method only serves to help him. Nobody takes seriously tabloid language, nobody takes seriously name calling. Bad language, name calling, are weapons in the hands of the one that you wish to punish. This is not my opinion, it’s the nature of communication in our Western countries.

I suggest that you change name calling for enunciation of his actions.
Instead of saying, “he’s a dictator”, just describe actions. This day, this place, he said this. That day, that place, he did that. The consequences for people were such and such.
If you give facts instead of insults then there is a chance that your words be taken seriously. But then, this would mean that you are not angry any more. I might be asking too much too soon.
Anyway, when you are done venting, maybe you might wish to consider my suggestions.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: a friend on January 07, 2010, 06:04:46 AM
Dear Thom,
I'm pretty sure that I've been a hen many times, and a monk many times. My recollections of nunneries are weak, but a nun too. A dog too. A bitch too. Simple mathematics of beginningless ...
So you can go on Thom, call me whatever you want ...
You are doing me a favor, sending  me to my Lojong practice.

But I have to continue saying that this is not a good place to use hateful language against the Dalai Lama. Somebody has to say it. It’s nothing against you, since this advice is given to others too, actually to all of us.

Beyond the efficacy or lack of it of such language, there is the honor of Dharma to defend, and of the Lamas who brought us up. If sometimes a guest passes by, he needs to know that not everybody here, in this Buddhist website, approves of wrong speech, not even in the case of a so called “enemy” because if we, Buddhists, act like that, what is it that we are showing the world about our holy Dharma, what is it to be expected of those who did not have the fortune of entering into Dharma. This being a public site it’s appropriate that whoever passes by sees that at least some among us wish that all of us preserve our vows as far as this unfortunate situation permits.

Anyway, you come and go as you please, as usual.

With affection,
a Friend
Title: Re: Dalai Lama found guilty of persecution by High Court
Post by: Lineageholder on January 07, 2010, 12:57:15 PM
I'm with Thom on this one.  If I need to say 'liar', 'fraud', 'cheat' and 'hypocrite' to protect Je Tsongkhapa's tradition from being destroyed, I'll do it and face the consequences.  They are all expressions of truth and valid descriptions as Emptymountains has shown.  They are valid descriptions of conventional reality.

I don't believe that the Dalai Lama can be stopped simply by pointing out the inconsistencies in his actions and words.  I understand that the power of the Dalai Lama's speech has to be completely destroyed.  Many people believe him simply because of who he is.  They have faith that he is a holy being because that's how he appears, wearing Je Tsongkhapa's robes, and so they follow his view.  This has to stop because the Dalai Lama is NOT a holy being (can Avalokiteshvara cause suffering to millions?) but a self-serving politician who is using the Buddhadharma for his own power and reputation.  if you have any doubt, please read 'A Great Deception'.  All your doubts will be removed. 

The only way to destroy the power of the Dalai Lama's speech is to show him as he really is - to shine the light of wisdom on him and tell things as they really are.  Liar, hypocrite, fraud and cheat are perfect descriptions.  I'm not afraid to tell the truth. I admit that using these words is a double-edged sword because of the misconceptions that people have about Buddhism, thinking you have to speak nice words all the time otherwise you're a bad Buddhist.  It is an important question whether the use of such words is skilful means or not, but my doubts are removed because these are words that our own Teachers (Gelugpa Lamas) who compiled 'A Great Deception' have used. The truth is more important than opinions and judgements.  If we're 'nice' but Je Tsongkhapa's tradition disappears from this world because we weren't wise or brave enough to use strong, wrathful actions, it will be a disaster and a tragedy.  Right now, only we stand in the way of this happening.  We must act as an offering to our Gurus to protect the precious doctrine that Buddha and many others gave their lives for many times.  This is our offering to our Gurus and all sentient beings - to try to remove political pollution from Buddhism by showing the institution of the Dalai Lama to be flawed and deceptive because it mixes religion and politics.