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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: icy on August 22, 2014, 10:52:20 PM
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A warm up welcome demonstration outside the Dalai lama's hotel upon his arrival in Germany. @ Dammtor Train Station, Hamburg, Germany.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx-3-ozfpLA&list=UUNCM1cy2mdcZLcUIIyMzbbQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx-3-ozfpLA&list=UUNCM1cy2mdcZLcUIIyMzbbQ)
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At the Hamburg demonstration by the International Shugden Committee, there is a nice message:
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More and more people stand up to speak what is truly from their heart. I believe they don't have any bad intention. All they want are just religious freedom and ask for respect to their Shugden practice. This is just a simple request. Whoever have any motive to implement the ban on Shugden practice whether for politics issues or anything else but now is the time to make a stop to it. Sooner or later people will aware of the truth. Before more defamation is made, now is the time to lift the ban. Religious freedom is a basic human rights for everybody.
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There are many Tibetans demonstrating against the Dalai Lama at Hamburg for religious freedom:
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I am rejoicing so much to see these Tibetans being able to make their voice hear. Dalai Lama and CTA leave them alone and lift the ban already!
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The lamrim says that one's lama, one's guru is higher than all Buddhas.
Why?
Because he is one's guru, the Buddha in action towards which the student has created karmic access to. Because of the physical connection, because of the karmic connection, because of the samaya, one's guru is more important to THAT student than all the Buddhas.
Thus, if one's guru practices Dorje Shugden and propitiates Dorje Shugden, the student that would go against his teacher, his guru, would make his guru wrong.
It is like saying: "my guru was/is wrong, I know better".
Then , in all logic, if one makes his guru wrong, then one makes all Buddhas wrong.
If one knows better than all Buddhas, then one needs no Buddha, one states himself higher, more knowledgeable, more reliable than the collection of all enlightened beings.
Also, in doing so, one severed his connection to a lineage and is no more reliable to teach.
Now, isn't it what the Dalai Lama has done?
Why?
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Dalai Lama is causing suffering and disharmony with the illegal ban since 1996 on Dorje Shugden, a 350-year old main stream practice of the Gelug tradition of Tibetan Buddhism. It is utterly unbelievable a world renowned man of peace would impose this illegal ban and create immense turmoil and havoc in the Tibetan society which has spread around the globe. Hence, wherever the Dalai Lama turns up in the West there are peaceful protests and demonstrations to remind him to lift the ban. If you value religious freedom, please join us to request the Dalai Lama to lift the ban.
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The protests being held wherever the Dalai Lama goes is valid because the Dalai Lama is oppressing the freedom of religious practice amongst his people. Dorje Shugden practitioners could not practice freely because they are discriminated against in their own society.
The image that the Dalai Lam projects out to the world is peace loving and compassion, but is this happening in the Tibetan communities? I doubt so because we see signs being put up at shops stopping Dorje Shugden practitioners from entering and school going children are also denied of education.
Can't the world see through his mask yet?
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The protests being held wherever the Dalai Lama goes is valid because the Dalai Lama is oppressing the freedom of religious practice amongst his people.
The protest is definitely VALID. This ban has caused so much suffering amongst their own Tibetans. Where is the religious and human rights for this. So much oppression and lies has been given out by the CTA over the past few years that it has gone from bad to worst. Stop discriminating the Shugden practitioners.
Where is the religious rights or even human rights for these. If it was pertaining other matters in the world, the human right activist will clamp down hard on what CTA is doing. Therefore, the more protest we have, the more awareness we bring, there is no where CTA can hide.
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Looks like these protests against His Holiness the Dalai Lama have become an unceasing feature at all the cities around the world that His Holiness went. I see this as a powerful way to present Dorje Shugden to the whole wide world and from there, the plights of those Shugden believers ostracized by the CTA are highlighted to the eyes of many.
I am praying very hard this ban would be lifted soonest so that all those affected would be able to practice their religion freely and equally. I am very sure the emanation of Chenrezig is so full of compassion to swiftly relieve the sufferings of all beings.
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Wherever the Dalai Lama went, there were protests, peaceful protests unlike those menacing gestures and shouts of profanities from the anti Shugden supporters. If only the Dalai Lama would remove the ban then all the efforts and money spent on both sides could be wisely used to further dharma teachings and for the propagation of dharma. Not to mention the physical, emotional and mental suffering of those innocent people and school going children would be alleviated and be gone. Why, Dalai Lama? Why do you persist on the ban and not use the wasted resources for the spread of dharma?
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Please leave the ban CTA to save the Dalai Lama's face. The ban is more well-known to the world and it is not within the Tibetan anymore. Please see it clearly CTA.
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So even after being threatened with the 'hit list' by the CTA, the International Shugden Committee has consistently maintained a peaceful stance. It continues to hold peaceful protests , calling for religious freedom, as the Dalai Lama visits Germany. Furthermore, instead of a tit for tat reaction to the hit list,
it has responded peacefully by getting its legal representative to write to each representative of the Tibetan government, informing them that they will be held responsible for any harm that comes to Shugden Buddhists.
This is in sharp contrast to the anti -Shugdenists and Dalai Lama loyalists, who use threats and violence in response to peaceful protests and demonstrations.
Peace and harmony is the way to go and , of course the lifting of the ban.
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The demonstration at Hamburg is getting more interesting with new friends doing the dance to the rhythm and rhyme of the chant of the protest.
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Peaceful protests are held everywhere where ever the Dalai Lama went. DS practitioners do not use threats or violence to request the Dalai Lama to lift the ban but use peaceful methods to voice their rights to religious freedom. If the Dalai Lama is compassionate as he claimed to be, he should allow everyone the rights to religious freedom.
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The protest in Hamburg was peaceful and well-organised. The protesters did not break any laws. It was a protest against a ban that is unlawful which has for many years caused a lot of suffering among the worshippers of Lord Dorje Shugden. In spite the hardship, the spirit of Shugden followers is strong and supporters are growing in numbers. The demonstrators are merely defending religious freedom. They deserve our moral support.
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The time has come to lift the ban of Dorje Shugden. More and more people are aware of the truth and that's why they are protesting against HH Dalai Lama to lift the ban and give them the freedom to practice DS openly and freely without fear.
From the peaceful demonstrations we can see that the practitioners only wanted the ban to be lifted and to have religion freedom.
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All the organized protests so far had been peaceful and harmless highlighting to Dalai Lama to lift the ban on DS. I cannot understand why the Dalai Lama still insist on not lifting the ban when it was so obvious that even Tibetans themselves are supporting the practice of DS.
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This seems to be big and healthy group of demonstrators. I thank all the ISC for organizing this, and demonstrating, making a statement, keeping it peaceful and letting the world know there is an unjust ban being maintained by CTA and the Dalai Lama.
More and more of the world will get to know about the Dorje Shugden ban, wherever the Dalai Lama travels.
I wonder does India allow demonstrations in its borders? Perhaps it is not safe to demonstrate in India.
Appreciate all the work ISC is doing to bring the world's attention to the Dorje Shugden ban.
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A heartfelt thanks to all of those demonstrators from around the world who spent their time in Hamburg, Germany this weekend trying to raise awareness about the Dalai Lama's ban against Wisdom Buddha, Dorje Shugden, a traditional protector practice of the Gelugpas. His discrimination has caused tremendous suffering to millions of people who have no voice to stand up for themselves. My thoughts are with you all the heroes and heroines!
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In this video, the cult of the Dalai Lama is apron-flickering to the demonstrators of the International Shugden Community protesting in Hamburg in their disgusting behaviour of hatred, anger and confusion. These cult members of Dalai Lama had just walked out from an audience with the Dalai Lama. Did they digest and apply any dharma teachings from the Dalai Lama? Aren't they an embarrassment to the Dalai Lama a world renowned peace icon and religious leader?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=851461328198108&set=vb.184800081530906&type=2&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=851461328198108&set=vb.184800081530906&type=2&theater)
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People around the world no longer keep silent on the Lord Shugden ban!
Now where ever the Dalai Lama go the protestor will follow and the main intention is not to irritate the Dalai Lama but is to ask Dalai Lama to lift the unnecessary ban that have cause so much suffering for the Lord Shugden practitioners. Be it the monks or the layman, they have suffered tremendously, family and friend separation, violent attack, unable to go through normal life such as going to school and being discriminate by the government and non Shugden practitioners.
The peaceful protest shows how much devotion of the practitioners around the world and how can it be wrong as the practice has gone global and so many have so much faith with the protector, again how can it a spirit or cause harm to the Dalai Lama?
In fact the harmful group that being in action all the time towards Shugden practitioners is the CTA. So many cases and incident happened. The world should know and the world should together gather their voice to push the ban down for religious freedom!
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Enough is enough, please lift the ban CTA so that everyone will lead their normal live in peace and continue to practice freely in pursuing the Holy Dharma and not worrying about the safety of certain groups harming them. We already are experiencing so much sufferings since they ban have been imposed, mother and child, husband and wife, Guru and students, brother and sister. All the relationships mentioned are separated due to the ban.
The world currently is experiencing so much suffering and we do not need any more of this for the fact that we as a Buddhists should all be the 'ONE' to promote peace to the world. Stop harming each other already and be the 'ONE'.
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Watch this latest round of demonstration by the International Shugden Community in Hamburg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7p9wXNf11U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7p9wXNf11U)
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Must watch!!! "Dalai lama Stop Lying! Hamburg Germany on YouTube. Dalai Lama is lying through his teeth!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1d2ImUbH1g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1d2ImUbH1g)
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In a recent dialogue about this video questioning Lhamo Dondrub about his Guru devotion, someone remarked about making him uneasy and roasting him every chance we get. I agree in a way, but believe that one main objective in this would be to get his audience to also start to question him, and we do not open peoples minds by insulting someone they adore, the psychology generally does't work out that way. When he says 'you only have one side of the story' his audience is like, 'yeah, you only have one side of the story' and so we've already lost the debate and opportunity!
Rather, I feel it would have been much more productive to use such an opportunity to cite some abuses then ask him to disprove the evidence of abuse. Nobody in there cares about the arguments supporting Dorje Shugden as a Buddha or valid lineage nor do they typically seem to give a shit about Dondrub's Guru devotion. The audience will more likely take a reasonable question into consideration if the abuse is presented directly.
While it is important to validate the Protector and practice, the most immediate thing is to bring attention to how a difference of opinion is not a valid reason to abuse people, that there is undeniable evidence of abuse, and 'please will you give reasons disproving this'.
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Or, how about changing the signs to read "Dalai Lama, prove our evidence wrong"
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The signs need to keep saying, "Stop lying." Prove our evidence wrong, is not helpful because most people don't know what our evidence is. If we say stop lying, then maybe they want to know what's he lying about.
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We must give our support to the Dorje Shugden Tibetan Youth Congress. These youths brave rain and shine and CTA to protest for religious freedom.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dorje-Shugden-Tibetan-Youth-Congress/1522840867928424 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dorje-Shugden-Tibetan-Youth-Congress/1522840867928424)
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This is the first time I have seen Tibetan youths getting involved in this protest.
Wonderful there are young Tibetans who learn about the Dorje Shugden story and lineage and wants to protect it from being harmed and to preserve it for future generations. Make Dorje Shugden heard wherever the Dalai lama goes.
In most corporate companies, if the head of the company gets such bad rep, they will fire the PR people. Th PR people are CTA of course. For not advising the Dalai Lama correctly, more and more people will know of the Dorje Shudgen discrimination, and this is all CTA"s faults, at the rate the Dalai Lama's reputation is being tarnished, CTA the whole cabinet should have been fired a few rounds over. Dorje Shugden can only be good for the Tibetans in exile or otherwise, and if the CTA is clever, lifting the ban on Dorje Shugden they will suddenly find their 'enemies' have turned to friends. Then even better chances of getting some freedom for the Tibetans and the Tibetan nation. CTA is so short sighted.
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More shocking and heartbreaking evidence of the illegal ban imposed by the Dalai Lama reported from Hamburg:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WLOph9sIy8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WLOph9sIy8)
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I picked up this sharing from Neil Elliott who was present at the demonstration protest at Hamburg:
Neil Elliott with Dorje Shugdentruth
Pondering the emptiness of the eight extremes in Hamburg
The other day while we were waiting in a park to demonstrate against the Dalai Lama when he returned to his hotel I watched as a group of Tibetan families passed their time listening to the children singing traditional Tibetan songs and then forming a large circle, adults and children together, to perform traditional dances.
They all seemed so happy, as if lost in their revelry without a care in the world.
But the sad truth is that they had brought along their amplifier to drown out our protests when the Dalai Lama arrived.
These happy, carefree people had been poisoned by the Dalai Lama's venomous speech into thinking that fellow Buddhists are their enemy, to be opposed and vilified at every turn. And when the Dalai Lama arrived their happy faces melted into the aspect of anger as they tried to drown out our calls for religious freedom.
But as we discovered during those extraordinary days, the Tibetans are generally good natured people with kind hearts. Many of the protesters found themselves in the same hotels as Tibetans attending the Dalai Lama’s teachings, and the Tibetans would show them respect and cordiality. Some even told us that although they were followers of the Dalai Lama, they supported our right to protest and our wish to preserve our tradition.
Sometimes as they walked past the line of protesters on their way to and from the teachings they would smile kindly at us and even give a surreptitious thumbs up. The Dalai Lama might think his ban is effective but it doesn't look to me as if he is winning the hearts and minds of his people. He is simply bullying them into showing support for something they do not truly believe in.
So what of those Tibetans who during their counter demonstration reacted so aggressively to us? To my mind their behaviour was the direct result of the Dalai Lama’s actions. Without his divisive speech and destructive actions there would be no problem, and no Tibetan, nor anyone else, would think of Je Tsongkhapa’s followers as their enemies.
In truth, those who oppose us are our kind mothers who in their hearts wish for the same as we do - a life of peace and contentment. Only the Dalai Lama does not want this. Only he wants to foment division and discrimination.
I was reminded that day in the park of how easy it is to generalise and stereotype people out of ignorance, and how wisdom protects us against this mistaken way of thinking. I thought of Venerable Geshe-la’s teachings on the emptiness of the eight extremes in Modern Buddhism, and especially his teaching on the emptiness of singularity and plurality where he says:
‘We tend to project the faults or qualities of the few onto the many, and then develop hatred or attachment on the basis of, for example, race, religion or country. Contemplating the emptiness of singularity and plurality can be helpful in reducing such hatred and attachment.’
How wonderful it would be if all Dharma brothers and sisters could abide in this wisdom and live in peace and harmony with each other, free from division, discrimination and enmity.
This is exactly what we pray for every day when we make prayers to the Wisdom Protector Dorje Shugden.
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If there was no ban, people would not protest. If people did not feel the discrimination, people would not protest. People speak up because they definitely feel something unjust. So the Dalai Lama saying that there is religious freedom, and a choice to practise is false, because people are being discriminated for their choice. The day when there is no discrimination or unjust treatments for the choices we make, is the day that equality and freedom of rights is practised.
More and more people are protesting, not because they want to, or to create disharmony, but because there is a need to bring down something morally wrong which has been enforced by the CTA and Dalai Lama. People should continue to protest and voice their disagreements with this ban, otherwise, who will?
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It’s so wonderful to see that people in as far as Hamburg has rose up to protest against the ban of the great King Protector Dorje Shugden. CTA , please do waste no further time and lift the ban to immediately to allow the people to practice freely and to live in peace, harmony and fearless. The world is already in chaotic situation with the on going war, power struggling, etc. CTA, do not create further suffering to the people and allow them to practice freely. Everyone knows that to judge is wrong. Whether it be racism or just plain discrimination, it is seen as an act of wrong doing.
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Lifting the ban is very critical because it cause a lot of disharmony between the Tibetan community. I as a practitioner I do feel sad about the ban because we cannot have religion freedom we cannot speak for our religion cannot spread the lineage freely.