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General Buddhism => General Buddhism => Topic started by: kris on July 19, 2014, 10:44:42 AM
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It is indeed very sad news that MH17 was shot down by missile in Ukraine. There were 295 (some said 298, which includes 3 infants) on board and there is no survivals.
As of now, it is still not confirmed who shot down the plane, and no one claim they did it. It is still not sure what will happen to the black box. So much unknown.
Let's all send our prayers to the deceased. May they have a quick and good rebirth. May their family and friends stay strong to overcome the suffering of losing their love ones.
This again shows impermanence and we definitely don't know when is our last day in this life. If we don't do Dharma work now, if we don't benefit others now, then when is a good time?
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This news is devastating ! Passenger ariline shot down in the middle of a war zone ! This can only be done by irresponsible humans, whoever they may be. Whether it was an intentional act or a "mistake", 298 lives have perished in an instant. Loved ones of those who have died must be absolutely devastated. What a shock to the whole world!
May those who have died have a good and swift rebirth ! May those suffering for their losses quickly heal and find their way to move on ! OM MANI PADME HUNG !
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Heartfelt condolences to the relatives and families for the loss of their loved ones on board MH17.May you recover and heal from the pain and sorrow.
To the crew and passengers of MH17,may you rest in peace and have a good and swift rebirth and the blessings of the Three Jewels.
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And let's extend our prayers to the 290 innocent victims, mostly Iranians, of the Iranian civilian Air Flight 655, all murdered by a missile fired from the US warship USS Vincennes on July 3, 1988, while flying within Iranian airspace.
Also, let's extend our prayers to the 78 victims of the civilian Siberian Airlines Flight 1812, downed by a Ukrainian missile over the Black Sea on October 4, 2001.
Cynically, neither US nor Ukrainian mass murderers have ever recognized their responsibility for their crimes. And in any case there was very little press coverage.
Therefore, may I propose that, as Buddhists, we offer our prayer equanimously to all the victims, and not only to the the victims of the incidents selected by Western media propaganda, specially when such propaganda, just as in the 9/11 case, is geared towards promoting war, and thus much more loss of life.
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Indeed there are many lives that are lost daily either naturally or man-made. It is time people wake up to how fragile lives are and what is important in life instead of just doing what we are told to do. No country should take the incident of MH17 as excuse to championing more acts of war in the name of fighting war with more wars.
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It is not difficult to imagine the grief yet relief felt by Malaysian Airline's crews whom escaped the MH370 tragedy. When MH17 was hit, some of those crews who escaped the fate of MH370 had to come face to face with death. I find this extremely devastating as it just shows very clearly that no one can run away from their karmas - good or bad.
At the same time, this 2 incidents made me think how lucky I am to stumble across Dorje Shugden practice. With Dorje Shugden practice, I am able to engage in spiritual practice as DS is THE protector to help us with our spiritual path.
We will all die one day. However, I hope I will die with as much negative karmas purified as possible.
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No country should take the incident of MH17 as excuse to championing more acts of war in the name of fighting war with more wars.
So true. Behind the hypocritical, selective, media-induced tears and prayers, there is a lot of media-induced hatred and war-mongering, as usual directed against any country somehow on the way of Jewish-American world-domination obsession.
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Deepest condolences, prayers and candles to the perished passengers and crew of MH17. This is a disaster that happened within 4 months since the last tragedy of MH370 of Malaysian Airlines also.
I truly felt the pain, anguish and sorrow of their families who were left behind to continue living without their loved ones.
May the victims rest in peace and take good swift rebirth soon. Our prayers and positive energy can generate good merits for them.
The black box had been found and the USA confirmed MH17 was shot down by the rebels backed by certain strong government. These kind of tragedy shouldn't even happen to innocent people.
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The black box had been found
A supposed back box has been found, but is still in the hands of the Donetsk Republic prime minister, who of course will not hand it out to the Western-supported terrorist gangsters of Kiev. Therefore, nothing can be said about its content for the moment.
and the USA confirmed MH17 was shot down by the rebels backed by certain strong government.
You are reading too much cartoons, dear Kim. One cannot ”confirm” anything without evidence.
The only confirmed thing until now is that both Ukraine and US have already downed civilian airliners in their normal routes, murdering hundreds of innocent civilians (the Iranian flight 655 in 1988, killing 290 civilians, and the Russian flight 1812 in 2001, killing 78 civilians).
Another confirmed thing is that US also ”confirmed” that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, thus starting a war which killed at least 1.5 million innocent people, brought disgrace to many millions more, and gave Iraq and much of the Middle East as a gift to Al-Qaeda terrorists.
The ”confirmed” weapons of mass destruction have never been found. Therefore, when you read that ”US confirmed” something in one of your cartoons, please translate it as ”invented”.
These kind of tragedy shouldn't even happen to innocent people.
But they will keep happening, as long as people like you support the lies of Western media war-mongering and hate propaganda. Therefore, you are just an hypocritical accomplice of the very crimes you pretend to condemn.
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Plenty of evidence is emerging that the MH17 was downed by Western-supported Ukrainian mass-murderers, as documented by satellite images.
As to the fake video showing missiles supposedly manipulated by the rebels, it has been found that they were in an area controlled by the pro-Western gangsters, and that on the day of the tragedy they were placed near to the area controlled by the rebels, and then immediately removed. It has also been found that their radars were active on the day of the tragedy: http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741664 (http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741664)
It has also been found that an Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jets followed and approached the civilian MH17 down to a distance of 3-5km, within the range of the fighter air-to-air missiles: http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741655. (http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741655.)
Meanwhile US has failed to produce its own satellite images, obviously because they would prove the same, and thus expose to the world who are the terrorists supported with billions of Western taxpayer money, plus weapons and training. Canada, for instance, just offered them 20 warplanes.
Therefore, when you make your prayers to the innocent victims of the MH17 tragedy, don't forget also to pray that those who perpetrated such unspeakable terrorist act and their Western sponsors are stopped as well, before they do more of the same.
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This is definitely a heartbreaking news. The moment I heard this news, it just gives me goosebumps and it reminds me how fragile our life is. It is really bad that they have such horrible death. I tried to think what if I'm one of them in the flight and it is really scary to have the fear of falling and dying. I hope that they have a swift and good rebirth, may they not fall into the 3 lower realms. My heart felt condolences to the people on board of MH17 and their families.
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The tragedy of MH370 and MH17 remind us about impermanence. To practice dharma must start now and never wait till such and such a date, cos we never know whether there is a tomorrow for us.
Deepest condolences to the family of the deceased. Prayers will be dedicated to all crew and passengers of the MH17 for them to have swift and good rebirth, May they be close to dharma. Om mani peme hum.
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Condolences to the family and loved ones of passengers and crew of MH17. At times of sorrow and anger by many quarters, let us pray for calm and peace for everyone. Let us not create more negative karma by placing blame and asking why you don't do this or that. We are in samsara, anger and blame is inevitable. As Buddhist, we can try to mitigate the negative feeling. So, let us try to do that and have a little bit less negativity floating around.
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Why are there so many air flight tragic incidents happening to Malaysian Airlines lately , in early March, this year MH 370 , it has been a mystery to what had happened to the crews and passengers the and now mid of July MH 17 where there is no survivor. The MH 17 tragic news is so disturbing and shocked. Life is indeed very fragile and nothing can stop the karma from ripening. Let’s not waste further time and proceed to practice the dharma properly . May all those who perished in MH 17 have a good and swift rebirth and for those, who has lost their loved ones , may they be able to bravely confront with the reality and moved on with their lives . My sincere prayers will be extended to all the deceased.
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Condolences to the family and loved ones of passengers and crew of MH17. At times of sorrow and anger by many quarters, let us pray for calm and peace for everyone.
Your selective, one-sided "condolences" to the MH17 victims, in the moment when there is a barrage of propaganda suggesting that Russians and pro-Russian rebels are to blame, without one word referring to the hundreds of innocent civilians, including many children, women, and elderly people, murdered by Western-supported Kiev terrorists, exactly in the same area, and as a result of the same conflict, show just how politically-biased and un-Buddhistic are your "prayers".
Let us not create more negative karma by placing blame and asking why you don't do this or that.
Then, according to you, identifying, and thus being able to stop terrorists together with their Western sponsors, capable of murdering hundreds of innocent civilians, such as the MH17 passengers, is "creating negative karma", right?
The Kiev terrorists are openly supported by US, Canadiam and Western European taxpayer money and weapons. But, according to you, finding out that your and others' money and resources were misused to empower terrorist attacks killing hundreds is just an irrelevant "blame" game, right?
Let's play the good "Buddhists" and "pray" for the MH17 victims, and meanwhile let's keep giving our money and resources to sponsor more similar, Western-supported terrorist attacks, but please without blaming anyone, so as not to accumulate "negative karma"; this in a nutshell is your pseudo-Buddhist, perverse view.
We are in samsara, anger and blame is inevitable. As Buddhist, we can try to mitigate the negative feeling. So, let us try to do that and have a little bit less negativity floating around.
Oh yes, according to you people should turn a blind eye, and keep supporting terrorism-sponsoring governments, such as US, Canada and UK, so that more planes such as the MH17 are downed, more innocent civilians are murdered, and you may "pray" and "mitigate" the "negativity" floating around you, right?
If you are really interested in mitigating the negativity floating around you, may I suggest that you start with giving up your hypocritical accomplicity with terrorism.
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Thousands of Amsterdammers are sending their prayers to MH17 through a solemn march in the city. This is their way of expressing their prayers to MH17.
It is with heavy heart I am sending my prayers to them everyday. May they rest in peace and come under the embrace of Buddha Dorje Shugden.
Thousands of white-clad Amsterdammers march for MH17 - See more at:
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/more-asia-stories/story/malaysia-airlines-mh17-crash-thousands-white-clad-amsterdammers-ma#sthash.hnIRamwV.dpuf (http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/more-asia-stories/story/malaysia-airlines-mh17-crash-thousands-white-clad-amsterdammers-ma#sthash.hnIRamwV.dpuf)
(http://www.straitstimes.com/sites/straitstimes.com/files/imagecache/2014_revamp_615x346/20140724/peoplemarching2407e.jpg)
AMSTERDAM (AFP) - Thousands of people in Amsterdam dressed in white marched solemnly along the city's canals on Wednesday in memory of the 298 people who died aboard flight MH17, most of them Dutch.
The memorial march came on a national day of mourning for the Netherlands, which lost 193 citizens when the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 was shot down over Ukraine last week.
"It's important to come together, to show that we're together, that we share the pain of our families and friends," said Mr Leon, 35, wearing a white T-shirt.
"And it's important for everyone to wear white, the colour of hope, which means that we're looking to the future," he said.
The marchers released hundreds of white balloons into the sky as night fell in Amsterdam.
The Boeing jet was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur on Thursday when it was shot down over a rebel-controlled part of Ukraine. US intelligence officials believe the rebels mistakenly shot the plane out of the sky with a surface-to-air missile.
"It's amazing that in 2014 a passenger plane can be shot down by a missile, I hope they can shed some light on all this," said Mr Tim, 35.
The first bodies recovered from the crash site were flown back to the Netherlands on Wednesday, where they will be identified.
"Anyone could have been in that plane: me, my wife, my friends, whoever," said Mr Martin, an Argentine living in the Netherlands.
- See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/more-asia-stories/story/malaysia-airlines-mh17-crash-thousands-white-clad-amsterdammers-ma#sthash.hnIRamwV.dpuf (http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/more-asia-stories/story/malaysia-airlines-mh17-crash-thousands-white-clad-amsterdammers-ma#sthash.hnIRamwV.dpuf)
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What a sordid, despicable article.
Debauchedly leveraging on people's suffering, the article tries to shift the public anger and revolt from the terrorists actually perpetrating the horrendous act to the Novorussian freedom fighters.
Indeed, the article one-sidedly promotes the US ”version” of the incident, which blames without any evidence those freedom fighters, while not even mentioning the opposing version, supported by smashing evidence, which shows that the MH17 was indeed shot down by the Western-supported Ukrainian terrorists.
Unfortunately, the prayers of the suffering Dutch will bring nowhere, as long they keep allowing themselves to be brainwashed, and their country to be controlled, by US anti-humanity genocidal media and interests.
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What on earth is the world coming into, disasters after disasters is happening within the period of 7 months in this year alone. No matter who is the culprit who fired that missile doesn't changed the fact that all the innocent life were taken all because of pride, ego and selfishness.
May all the victims rest in peace and may they have a swift rebirth and blessed by Protector Dorje Shugden.
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No matter who is the culprit who fired that missile doesn't changed the fact that all the innocent life were taken all because of pride, ego and selfishness.
Of course the culprit matters, unless you want to cover them, specially now that massive evidence has shown that the missile was fired by Western-supported Ukrainian terrorists.
The picture below shows a civilian house in Lugansk, Novorussia, bombed with forbidden white phosporus chemical weapons by Western-supported Ukrainian terrorists. Your daughter could be inside the house, and still to you the culprit ”would not matter”, right?
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140725/191264009/Ukrainian-Army-Used-Phosphorus-Bombs-on-Civilians---Russian.html (http://en.ria.ru/world/20140725/191264009/Ukrainian-Army-Used-Phosphorus-Bombs-on-Civilians---Russian.html)
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I dedicate my prayer and merits to all that are suffering no matter where they are.
Whatever happens, may we have the courage, wisdom and tolerance to brave it.
May I be a protector to those without protection,
A leader for those who journey,
And a boat, a bridge, a passage
For those desiring the further shore.
May the pain of every living creature
Be completely cleared away.
May I be the doctor and the medicine
And may I be the nurse
For all sick beings in the world
Until everyone is healed.
Just like space
And the great elements such as earth,
May I always support the life
Of all the boundless creatures.
And until they pass away from pain
May I also be the source of life
For all the realms of varied beings
That reach unto the ends of space.
Shantideva, 8th Century
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Since it became evident that the MH17 was downed by the Western-supported international gangsters ruling Ukraine, the initial impetus for ”prayers” for the victims has sharply decreased.
This shows that such ”prayers”, in many cases, were not sincere; that they were not really aimed at bringing some relief to the victims and their relatives; but rather that they were just a collective-hysteria hatred weapon manipulated by the Western war propaganda, and directed against countries perceived as ”enemies”, such as Russia, which was then blamed for downing the MH17.
Nevertheless, Western-supported Ukrainian mass murderers keep active in the region, claiming many innocent lives, to the complete neglect of many of those who were so fervently ”praying” for the MH17 victims.
Therefore, may I respectfully share the image of a young woman together with her child, both brutally murdered yesterday July 27, by the Western-supported Ukrainian army, with Western taxpayer money, and contemptuous neglect.
May both the young woman and the child be swiftly reborn in the Pure Land.
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For those wanting to pray for the victims of the Nobel Peace Prize Obama-supported Ukrainian gangsters, such as those in the MH17 flight and others, here follow two pictures of a nursing home near Luhansk hit yesterday by the shellings of those criminals. Five elderly people died, one miraculously survived.
And forget not, all of this is done with the help your Western taxpayer money and ”elected” politicians, the same by the way supporting the other criminal, the evil dalai, and his murderous theocratic regime.
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So depressing to read of another air disaster. This time, this aircraft was shot down by a missile. While most are still guessing and pointing fingers on who might have done it, deep down inside, is one not saddened by the fact that its the work of some human beings? Not caused by natural calamities or even an act of a great being.
Certainly, my prayers goes to the families, friends and the loved ones of those on that ill-fated flight. Most of all, I pray that all those on board would be guided by the Buddha to a good rebirth.
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While most are still guessing and pointing fingers on who might have done it,
You confuse the noble activity of identifying the criminals with the sordid activity of merely ”pointing fingers”.
Informing oneself about the terrorist act, and thus figuring out on the basis of facts and logic who are the perpetrators, is necessary in order to stop future similar actions.
However, you dismiss it as mere ”fingerpointing”, which shows that you actually don't care about who are the perpetrators, and that you don't care if they perpetrate more similar terrorist acts.
This shows that your prayers are fake, that your compassion is a pretense, and that you are just ready to side with whoever is politically comfortable and convenient to you or to your tribe.
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298 lives perished almost at the same minute. How coincidental is that? While we pray for these victims, we must also pray for the people who shot the plan down. We must not take sides as this is clearly the results of negative karma and is generating more negative karma for the perpetrators.
For the victims, their precious human life ends in an instant and it should remind us to take advantage of this optimum life to practice the Dharma to benefit others. No other reasons than this shall be the reason for this life.
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While we pray for these victims, we must also pray for the people who shot the plan down.
It is not enough to pray for the people who shot the plane down, it is necessary to stop them, specially when you realize that they are supported by politicians elected by you and that they are perpetrating such crimes with your taxpayer money.
In other words, before even praying for others, one has to stop oneself to be an accomplice of such terrorist acts.
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This is truly a devastating news. Loses doesn’t confine to the reported number of 298 casualties. On board are 100 Aids activists, researchers and health workers en route to the 2014 International Aids Conference in Melbourne, Australia. These are the one that most likely to provide solutions to HIV disease pervading our world today including pioneer Aids researcher Joep Lange! Imagine the numbers of death from Aids patients in future due to the lost of vast amount of knowledge and expertise in this field from this single tragedy. My deepest condolence to the deceased families and pray that may peace soon pervade this region of conflict again.
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My deepest condolence to the deceased families and pray that may peace soon pervade this region of conflict again.
While I join your prayers, may I suggest that everyone prays and acts as well so that this catastrophe is not again taken by Western governments a pretext for a new devastating war aimed at promoting their expansionist geopolitical interests.
While most people were praying for the 3000 innocent victims of the 9/11, Western governments were looking for ways of using such victims as a tool and pretext to launch wars on Afghanistan and Iraq, which killed more that 2 million innocent people, not counting the many more millions burned, maimed, deformed, dying of cancer thanks to US depleted uranium weapons, and so forth.
And as much as there is vast evidence showing that the 9/11 was actually an insider job, aimed at creating the necessary conditions to launch new wars, wanted by the rulers of Western regimes, there is also plenty of evidence showing that the Western-supported government and oligarchs in Ukraine did the dirty job of downing the MH17, as a convenient pretext to lauch one more genocidal war wished by those very same Western rulers.
If you doubt that this might be the case, just look at these genocidal statements made on the Ukrainian Western-supported media, where one Butkevich openly proposes the mass murdering of at least 1.5 million in Donbass (Eastern Ukraine, or Donetsk plus Luhansk).
All of this, as usual, with your the Westerners' media-brainwashed approval, with Westerner taxpayer money, and while you are still praying for the MH17 victims.
Translation:
So you asked how can it be this way.
It can be this way because Donbass in general is a region that... well... it is not just a depressive region. You see, there is such a huge complex of problems... The main thing is that there is a huge number of absolutely unnecessary people in economy there (@0:15).
Trust me, I say this fully consciously.
So let's take just the Donetsk region there are approximately 4 million population there. No less than 1.5 million there are simply unnecessary people (@0:20).
What else do I want to say. We don't need to "understand" Donbass. We need to understand in general the Ukrainian national interest. And Donbass needs to be just used as a resource. (@0:28).
From the point of view of understanding Donbass. I think... I don't have a recipe of what can be done there quickly. However, the main thing that needs to be done there right now no matter how cruel this may sound... there is a certain category of people who need to be simply killed. (@0:40)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2vBdyszP5M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2vBdyszP5M)
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It's really sad and disheartening to hear about the shot down of MH 17. Why is this still happening at this modern age where technology is so powerful or is it too powerful that it is being taken advantage of.
I pray for all those innocent people on board flight MH 17. May their soul rest in peace and they have a good and auspicious rebirth.
My sincere prayers to all of the victims and to the family members of those affected. May they be strong and be able to move on again.
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Very saddened by this news...who would ever thought that they will die in a plane being shot down.."...
..but it happened..Just have to accept it and move on....This tragedy helped me realised impermanence & that time is running out fast.This could happen to me...if I have created this negative karma.Much prayers for all aboard Mh 17 to take a swift & good rebirth ...& be reborn in a place where they can meet a Guru & practice dharma in their future live.
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First we had MH17 being shot down by missile in Ukraine causing deaths of about 300 people
This ”missile” story is what Western press wants people to believe, and therefore what they are screaming around for weeks without any evidence.
And why? Because if it shown that the MH17 was downed by a plane, not by a missile, it would be more difficult to cover the Western-supported Ukrainian government's terrorist action.
But the farce is being uncovered, as explained by the respected Canadian Professor Michael Chossudovsky:
”According to the report of German pilot and airlines expert Peter Haisenko, the MH17 Boeing 777 was not brought down by a missile.
What he observed from the available photos were perforations of the cockpit:
The facts speak clear and loud and are beyond the realm of speculation: The cockpit shows traces of shelling! You can see the entry and exit holes. The edge of a portion of the holes is bent inwards. These are the smaller holes, round and clean, showing the entry points most likely that of a 30 millimeter caliber projectile.
Based on detailed analysis Peter Haisenko reached the conclusion that the MH17 was not downed by a missile attack:
This aircraft was not hit by a missile in the central portion. The destruction is limited to the cockpit area. Now you have to factor in that this part is constructed of specially reinforced material.
It is worth noting that the initial statements by OSCE observers (July 31) broadly confirm the findings of Peter Haisenko:
Monitors from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe reported that shrapnel-like holes were found in two separate pieces of the fuselage of the ill-fated Malaysia Airlines aircraft that was believed to have been downed by a missile in eastern Ukraine.
Michael Bociurkiw of the OSCE group of monitors at his daily briefing described part of the plane’s fuselage dotted with “shrapnel-like, almost machine gun-like holes.” He said the damage was inspected by Malaysian aviation-security officials .(Wall Street Journal, July 31, 2014).”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/support-mh17-truth-osce-monitors-identify-shrapnel-like-holes-indicating-shelling-no-firm-evidence-of-a-missile-attack/5394324 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/support-mh17-truth-osce-monitors-identify-shrapnel-like-holes-indicating-shelling-no-firm-evidence-of-a-missile-attack/5394324)
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Almost a month has gone by when MH17 fell Flight MH17 crashed in eastern Ukraine on July 17 as it was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur with 283 passengers and 15 crew on board, of whom 43 were Malaysians. The Boeing 777-200 aircraft is believed to have been shot down over the troubled country. So far the remains of only 16 Malaysian passengers and crew who perished in the MH17 tragedy have been identified.
Immediately, all parties involved started finger pointing. Unrests, anger, grief, thoughts of revenge. What most people don't realise is An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, says Mahatma Gandhi. It was the karma of the victims to be on that ill fated flight and the karma of the rebels who shot down the aircraft. It was not by any chance sheer coincidence. For as long as the karma is not purified, this will happen again and again in another time, another place, another dimension.
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Immediately, all parties involved started finger pointing.
Nothing further from the truth. While US and its European stooges immediately and hysterically pointed the finger to Russia, the latter simply denied any involvement and demanded an impartial international investigation.
However, it happens that not only US could not substantiate its empty accusations, but has also refused to release their detailed satellite images, which shows its lack of seriousness, and how much it just wanted to use the downing of the plane as a propaganda tool against Russia.
Let's not forget how the 9/11 insider job, and false accusations of chemical weapons, were used by the US to send thousands of Americans to death in Afghanistan and Iraq, while destroying the lives of many millions in these and other countries.
It was the karma of the victims to be on that ill fated flight and the karma of the rebels who shot down the aircraft.
You are just mindlessly parroting Western extremist mass-media anti-Russia war propaganda. Even US has already confessed to its lack of any evidence incriminating either Russia or the Novorussian freedom fighters.
Now if you are concerned with karma, why not to start with yourself, considering for instance the negative karma accumulated through mindlessly parroting Western mass-media war-mongering propaganda.