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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: icy on April 29, 2014, 12:28:45 AM
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Death threats are issued by anti Shugden people to Shugden activists must be condemn. It is utterly shameful anti Shugden people resort to such undharmic and uncivilised act to counter the Shugden movement for religious freedom and human rights for the benefit of Tibetans.
Below is a picture of Adar Tsering on a gravestone sent by anti Shugden people. On it, is his name (in Tibetan) and birth/death dates. This is to frighten him and threaten him that they are out to get him and eliminate him for speaking up. They threaten to kill him.
Adar Tsering is a strong out spoken advocate against the Dorje Shugden ban. He has worked for the removal of the ban for years and speaks up on Tibetan Talk often (youtube). He is based in NYC as well as the Shugden group he is involved with.
Tibetan Public Talk, March 22, 2014, Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niEZI2NX0yE#ws)
In the Tibetan Public Talk, Shugden activists have made it crystal clear they wish no harm to the Dalai Lama. All they ask is for the ban against Shugden practice to be lifted so that all Tibetans have basic human rights and religious freedom.
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This is another death threat which is sent to Venerable Tenzin Gyatso to warn him of life attempt. Ven Tenzin Gyatso is also a very outspoken advocate of DS and against the ban.
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This shows the terrorist nature of the evil dalai's personality cult.
The evil dalai, dear friends, is not Chenrezig; he is a terrorist.
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I'm just curious, of all the death threats that have been received by high DS lamas, how many threats have actually been followed through. I mean how many death of DS high lamas have been claimed by anti-Shugden groups?
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Its really childish that the anti Shugdens have to stoop so low and do things like this. If they are really so faithful in the Dalai Lama and trust everything He says, they dont have to threaten anyone since the Shugden practitioners are practicing an 'evil' spirit! And if we are practicing an 'evil' spirit, we will get what we deserve so why need to do such despicable things. :-\
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At time i am wondering to the people who are against the practice of Dorje Shugden really know the story on why HHTDL are doing this or it is just because of blind faith or it because there are in the situation that they have no choice but in order to protect their family there have to become a member of anti-Shugden. We do not sure why HHTDL had imposed the ban of the practice in the first place but over the years this issue has becoming for people who think what they are doing is right and at times misused its authority by hurting another soul.
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The best way to settle a dispute, any disputes, is through dialogue. This should be the correct way for the controversy surrounding Dorje Shugden between the anti Dorje Shugden camp and pro Dorje Shugden camp. But no, the Dalai Lama who is responsible for starting this ban refused to meet representatives from the pro Dorje Shugden camp. And now the CTA has instigated and maybe is responsible for the latest wave of life threatening scare tactics against people in the pro Dorje Shugden camp. Buddhism is turning into terrorism.
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Threatening someone for practicing what they believe in is so wrong in many aspects. First of all, everyone has the right and freedom to choose their religion and if their religion is different from ours, who are we to say? They are leading their lives and we are leading ours. Secondly, it is always the anti shugden people who are aggressive in threatening, in attacking and all the violence that occurred where as, the Shugden practitioners are only seen in peaceful protests. Do you see the difference?
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I'm just curious, of all the death threats that have been received by high DS lamas, how many threats have actually been followed through. I mean how many death of DS high lamas have been claimed by anti-Shugden groups?
may be there are not many accounts of high lama being killed by anti shugden groups, but the threats has very much disturbed the practitioners as well as the families of the practitioners.
A monk told us that he cannot even visit his mother when his mother passed away because of the ban (if he visit his mother for the wake, it will cause too much problem for his sisters, aunties, etc).
I agree with samayakeeper that to resolve this issue, dialogue and discussion is needed. furthermore, it is very clear that Dorje Shugden practitioners have no intention to harm HH Dalai Lama, but just to lift the ban.
It shows how low class are the anti-shugden people..
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This shows what the Anti Shugden camp are capable of, when they cannot defeat the Dorje Shudgen cause via social media, forum or through logic they will just rely on brute strength to try to resolve the issue. Je Atisha and Marpa must be rolling in their graves if they hears how degenerated Tibetans are once again despite so many enlightened beings have taught and spread the dharma there.
Is this dharma to threaten people's lives? Especially coming from unenlightened sources so what kind of dharma is being practiced by such people? And reliance on Nechung who is confirmed a spirit king. And CTA wants to take the high ground on being spiritual and Buddhist?
Denying food and sustenance to monks, have caused untold illness and stress to Dorje Shugden monks this is still harm on a big scale and sanctioned. Families across the Tibetan diaspora are split and schism is apparent. Buddha Shakyamuni was very precise when he said that Buddhism will be destroyed from within. The Dorje Shugden ban is one such case whereby it has caused dharma practitioners to work against each other.
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Thank you icy for sharing the death threat by anti-shugden group to the Shudgen practitioners.
CTA always claims that the Dorje Shugden followers are causing harm to HH Dalai Lama. However, looks who is causing harm to who now?
I agree with samayakeeper that to resolve this issue, dialogue and discussion is needed. Can CTA or HH Dalai Lama openly agreed to have a dialogue and discussion on this issue please? CTA, please do not just encourage your people into self-immolation, spending time to come out with resolutions concerning Dorje Shugden (see the latest resolutions by the Tibetan Parliament on 17th March 2014 : http://tibet.net/2014/03/20/tibetan-parliament-passes-resolution-concerning-dolgyal/ (http://tibet.net/2014/03/20/tibetan-parliament-passes-resolution-concerning-dolgyal/)) or thinking of way to cause any harm to the Dorje Shugden practitioners or lamas.
Instead, use your time, effort and resources wisely to unite your people, give them basic human rights and religious freedom, spend your time to look into ways to help on the economy and growth of Tibet. These actions are more beneficial to your people and be a responsible CTA!
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I don't see why anyone wants to issue death threats to DS practitioners. There is a freedom of religion practice. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and practice. Buddhism is suppose to be compassionate so why the Anti Shugden threats?
Even with all these threats there are still people who believes in DS as DS is not evil.
It's time to lift the ban so that everyone can practice openly and not afraid of any threats.
Down with the BAN!
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Giving death threat is morally wrong. If you think that it is nothing to do with moral or ethics, I tell you there are consequences and repercussions for your actions. If there is motivation followed by verbal actions, physical actions, or mental actions there are definitely consequences to follow.
It is very simple. If you don't believe in law of gravity and unknowingly walk over a hole you will experience a fall and pain. If you don't believe in law of consequence of actions and unknowingly harm others you will experience the negative consequences and suffering.
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Death Threats!
Wow, this mean the Shugden's practitioner must have get into their nerve.
Other than threaten, uses violence against own Tibetan, what other things they are capable off?
CTA, please remember you are still in exile state. Not even back to own Tibet and this is what you showed the world while Dalai Lama going out there to promote peace.
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The act of issuing death threats tantamount to a terrorists' act. Yes, i agree - undharmic and uncivilized! What more can we say about these terrorists who will kill anyone to realise their objectives? Despicable, heartless, lack of conscience, mindless, unlawful. The list goes on! The world hates terrorists who had contributed nothing to the peace and harmony but fear and destruction to humanity! These Shugden opponents must be put behind bars. This calls for the involvement of all countries as the ban on Dorje Shugden had degenerated into an international security and safety issue. How very sad and pathetic the ban had become! I am certain His Holiness Dalai Lama the ever compassionate emanation of Chenrezig who had initiated the ban on Dorje Shugden would not tolerate with such inhumane act!
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Looks like the motto for CTA, HHDL and anti-Shugden camps is : "if you cannot silence them, get rid of them". But...how can you silence people, if the very foundation of what you are acting against is wrong and baseless to begin with? Silencing us through violence and assassination is not going to get you anywhere, CTA. In fact, you're admitting to the world that you're wrong, that you cannot fight back through dialogue (which is what is done in the modern world you and I are living in) and that the easiest way to "win" is to not say anything but get rid of those who speak up..because you cannot challenge what is the truth. So that's the easiest way out. But how can you silence millions around the world, who will continue to speak up for what is right, for the ban to be removed, for justice and the right to religious freedom because no matter what you do, the united voice of Shugden practitioners will be heard.
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I'm just curious, of all the death threats that have been received by high DS lamas, how many threats have actually been followed through. I mean how many death of DS high lamas have been claimed by anti-Shugden groups?
As far as i know, there have been no proven murders of DS High Lamas although there was a rumour circulating at one point that HE Dagom Rinpoche had been murdered. Being a rumour, it is not substantiated though it was widely believed. Death threats are very real though, as evidenced by the high level of security HH Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche has to endure.
Whether or not the death threats are implemented is secondary to the very fact that it is acceptable for death threats to be made!! In the UK, a death threat is treated very seriously (see https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manual/threats_to_kill/ (https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manual/threats_to_kill/) )
At the very least it is indeed a childish ploy. I mean is there nothing else you can state for your cause or in your favour than to brandish a death threat?
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The Anti Shugden group is getting over zealous with their drive against the Shugden practitioners. Issuing death threats to another fellow Tibetan shows how helpless they are to the point of resorting violent. And they are the same people who have been crying out to the world that the Chinese Government are torturing the Tibetans.
I am very sure His Holiness the Dalai Lama (the emanation of Chenrezig) would not condone such actions. If only HH would tell the Anti Shugden group to stop all the violence.
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This is a posting by Himalaya Yak and Lobsang Kunga on Facebook to threaten Adar Tsering who is an outspoken Shugden activist. Despite what Adar Tsering has to faced, the many death threats and oppositions from pro-Dalai Lama people, he is still courageous and carry on his movement to bring down the ban. You can see his remark on his FB posting loving his enemy. He is a real hero.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10298990_481514631979653_1833757780253953169_n.jpg)
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I guess the CTA has run out of steam of degrading Ideas on how to demean the Dorje Shugden community and its practitioners to cause them to lose their morality, to deviate from the pure teachings of Lama Tsongkhapa and cause bodily harm to them.
Can the CTA call themselves dharma practitioners at all, to continue their loyalty to Buddhist practice?
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Oh my lord! That is disgusting ICY! Adar Tsering should bring this image to the police and make a report. This is no joke really. And if this is not considered life threats than what do you make out of this? And CTA says there is no ban, no discrimination, no disunity, no aggression and no one harms Shugden practitioners. Wow... what do you then call this CTA?
So why the CTA and HHDalai Lama do not say anything to this sort of discrimination and obviously life threatening actions? Why are they silence to this? Are they not suppose to practice compassion, kindness and isn't there "religious freedom" that you so called claim CTA? If there is and there isn't any problems than why do your supporters act this way? Is this how you represent His Holiness the Dalai Lama who is suppose to teach peace and compassion and religious tolerance etc.?
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This is so sickening, that in our modern era (okay, its degenerate times, but still) that people would make this sort of death threats for speaking up that you think it is okay to have equal rights if you.... pray.
Okay... I know His Dalainess thinks this is spirit worship--- but there is nothing new about people thinking that other groups are worshipping idols, spirits, demons, etc., while their group is really great. He doesn't get that this is just his opinion. Or rather, that his opinion really is just that.... I think the issue is that when someone decided to tell this poor man that he was Chenrezig, then he got mixed up about the nature of Chenrezig. We all have the inner nature of Chenrezig, but if we get told, 'oh you are Chenrezig' from childhood, then we may think that our deluded minds are the best we can be. Really, we all have to realize the state of Chenrezig--- the issue with the Dalai Lama is that he didn't notice he needed to do that since people kept telling him he already was one.
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How very sad and pathetic the ban had become! I am certain His Holiness Dalai Lama the ever compassionate emanation of Chenrezig who had initiated the ban on Dorje Shugden would not tolerate with such inhumane act!
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But since the evil terrorist Dondrup Lhamo not only does tolerate, but also explicitly encourages such and other inhumane acts, it follows that you are just deceiving yourself and harming the reputation of Buddha's teachings calling him an ”emanation of Chenrezig”.
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I'm just curious, of all the death threats that have been received by high DS lamas, how many threats have actually been followed through. I mean how many death of DS high lamas have been claimed by anti-Shugden groups?
How many do you want? And what do you want to prove with your question? Maybe that the evil dalai and his minions are just joking around with their death threats? Or that death threats by dalaites are not a crime serious enough to maculate the reputation of your ”Chenrezig”? Or, who knows, that Dorje Shugden followers are just complaining too much without any serious reason?
This sounds rather like the question of a ban-denier, not inconsistent with the attitude of someone who sees the evil terrorist as an ”emanation of Chenrezig”.
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I really do not understand why is it that the people are making Dorje Shugden such a big threat?! Dorje Shugden is an enlightened Buddha and there's nothing wrong about doing His practise. If Dorje Shugden really were a '' spirit '' which He's not even close to, you don't have to be scared or afraid if you didn't so anything wrong, right???
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Death threats like this reminds me of the good old cowboy movie depicting wanted poster and also Asian black magic movies. This are all phycological threats to scare others and assigning negative emotions to the viewer about Shugden practice in this case.
Perhaps it may still work in lesser educated societies, but at least in the west here, we just laugh at it and feel pity for the perpetrators for their silliness. Oh yes, reminds me of "Scary Movies" parodies.
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Yes, all readers and contributors of this forum. The death threats are still continuing. Sad but true.
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This is what the Dalai Lama said before when he said we are living in an era of violence, of anger and fear. He kind of forgot to tell his followers not to create those situations and he's too busy travelling and giving teachings to tell his followers to stop the threats and violence, and the creation of anger and fear. :( In all the fame came a lot commitments, so the true teachings of Buddha Shakyamuni and Aticha and Lama Tsongkhapa of the middle way is left on the wayside. :-\
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Why are the Anti-Shugden people so aggressive and cruel to the Shugden people? Is there a need to be so aggressive? Even if you do not like Shugden, the proper way to address a practice that you don't like in the Buddhist way is to just not follow it and find the practice that suits you. So, why be so aggressive and call yourselves some kind of buddhists. Also the Shugden people didn't insult or want to harm the Dalai Lama in any way so there is no need to be so aggressive.
Since the Anti-Shugden people claim to be with the Dalai Lama's wills and wishes and they claim to be Buddhists and do not follow the buddhist ways of other practices and non-violence about anything even though there is nothing to be violent about, it just means they are against religious freedom and rights. So we should all not have rights and religion according to them. That is what they mean because that is what they are saying if you break down the facts. That is how you should look at this situation and these people with their threats.
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It is really shocking to see that these anti Shugden people dare to make death threats to people openly. Don't they know what the Buddha taught?
Even if you want to be anti Shugden, you should find ways to do that peacefully and not pick fights or make death threats.
Everything no matter what, we should do it peacefully.
I really hope that these death threats will end soon.
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Extreme feeling and reactions on both the anti-shugden and shugden practitioners are not good. The Buddha taught equanimity and we should try to emulate that. Death threats have been around since time in memorial so I doubt if that is going to change. But, then again that does not mean that we keep quiet and lay and die. Such a tightrope that we all walk in this time of degeneration.
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Extreme feeling and reactions on both the anti-shugden and shugden practitioners are not good.
You want to put on the same level extremism and denouncing extremism, the perpetrator and the victim.
This is because you are yourself inclined towards extremism, in case to the evil dalie's extremism, which you want to protect through attacking those denouncing it.
The Buddha taught equanimity and we should try to emulate that.
How cute. Now attacking the victim in order to protect the perpetrator is called “equanimity”. What you try to emulate is not the Buddha's example, but the behavior of perfidious criminals.
Death threats have been around since time in memorial so I doubt if that is going to change.
Which, according to you, means that denouncing death threats is an “act of extremism”, and being complacent with such threats and with their perpetrators is an act of “equanimity”, right?
Right now, there are many Westerners joining the Islamic State terrorist group exactly because they support this barbaric, atrocious view. Maybe you are just losing your time in the wrong website.
But, then again that does not mean that we keep quiet and lay and die. Such a tightrope that we all walk in this time of degeneration.
Your tightrope is that you want to pass as a Buddhist while actually supporting and protecting extremism, specifically the evil dalie's extremism.
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If the anti shugden people are to rid Shugdeners they should do it in a civilized manner and not by photo-shopping pictures of tombstones or giving death threats. You are what you portray, if you want to stop a certain practice and you use violence, everyone will remember you as someone violent. If you want to stop a certain practice and you use peaceful demonstrations, everyone will think that you are a peaceful law abiding citizen.
So to the CTA please do your business in a more civilized and peaceful manner.
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I cannot believe that after so long anti-Dorje Shugden practitioners are still resulting to death threats and forms of violence in order to achieve what they want.
This is illegal, inhumane, immature, against morals and most importantly it is un-Buddhist. What kind of Buddhist would do such a thing to anyone? Especially another Buddhist. And for what? Just because they believe in other things. This is shameful and needs to stop now. Im sure there are many other ways to solve their problems not involving violent or death
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Acts of intimidation by the Tibetan mafiaso, which has infiltrated to many levels. it has been sent to many, not just the activists. All I can say is that i have to keep my samaya with my Guru clean and follow his instructions and empowerments, and to adhere to my refuge vows. To all those so-called Tibetans who are Buddhists, please remember your Refuge vows if nothing else.