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Title: No Ban?! Oh Come on, Watch This Video
Post by: icy on March 14, 2014, 12:55:06 PM
No Ban?! Oh come on, watch this video:

Tibetan leadership organizes violence against Shugden people (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVcNB-GwC6k#)

This is the valid proof and the whole wide world will get to see this video.  Deny no more folks - you are caught on camera and this video will be sent to CTA for record on their side now.  Don't embarrass yourselves.  There will be no brake to revealing what the Dalai Lama and CTA have done in the Tibetan community until the ban is lifted.  Folks, wait till you see the real force of protest coming to end the ban.  May the force be with you....
Title: Re: No Ban?! Oh Come on, Watch This Video
Post by: Kim Hyun Jae on March 15, 2014, 06:19:43 AM
It does not take any sort of intelligence to figure out that this was an evidence of an outright BAN of Dorje Shugden practice enforced by HH the Dalai Lama, as seen in this video.

Signages were placed outside monastery and monastic hospitals and Forms for sangha to sign to declare they do not practice DS:
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/tibetan-leadership-organizes-violence/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/tibetan-leadership-organizes-violence/)

What was the underlying reasons to have the ban on DS? Was the Dalai Lama under pressure from the CTA to impose the BAN? Was His Holiness forced to enact the ban by the CTA? Who were the CTAs that were so powerful to force His Holiness to put out the ban on Dorje Shugden that was as old as 300 odd years ago?

http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-ghost-of-tibetan-democracy/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-ghost-of-tibetan-democracy/)

What was it about Dorje Shugden and his practice that he was singled out as the ONLY dharma protector to be banned in this time and age? Were there deeper and subtle meanings underlying the DS ban in order the spread the teachings and practice of Lama Tsongkhapa?

http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/basis-for-the-dorje-shugden-ban-proven-false/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/basis-for-the-dorje-shugden-ban-proven-false/)

We cannot believe in accusations blindly and just the word for it, as it is not dharmic. We need to investigate, observe, learn more and expose the truth. No one is blaming any sides, taking sides with anyone here.

Title: Re: No Ban?! Oh Come on, Watch This Video
Post by: Midakpa on March 15, 2014, 06:52:13 AM
A few days ago I watched a recently published video that captured the attack on Dokhang Khangtsen, Gaden Shartse Monastery in the year 2000. The video shows three thousand lay and ordained people descending on the Monastery armed with rocks and bricks. Their target was Dokhang Khangtsen  where 600 monks were living. The story behind this riot was even more incredible! The attack was organised by the local Tibetan representative of the Dalai Lama. It was reported that a fine would be imposed upon those who didn't participate. Now, most Tibetans are poor and would not be able to afford the fine. Most Tibetans are also fiercely loyal to His Holiness and would not dare go against his wishes. So what we witnessed on that day, 10th September 2000, was a multitude of ordained monks from nearby monasteries and nuns from the local nunneries joining the attack, throwing rocks and bricks at their fellow sangha in Dokhang Khangtsen. Lay Tibetan women did something they would normally never do - showing disrespect for the monks by flapping their aprons. For me, this is really sad and disgraceful. So from the evidence shown in the video and the facts provided in the article, can we deny that there is no ban, no discrimination, no schism? Whoever started this in the first place must do the only decent thing left - remove the ban!

 
Title: Re: No Ban?! Oh Come on, Watch This Video
Post by: yontenjamyang on March 15, 2014, 07:25:18 AM
From this video it is obvious that there is a ban. What is bafflingly obvious is that the monks, nuns and Tibetan lay community had been coerced, threatened, bribed and emotionally whipped into a frenzy to regard the Protector as a spirit and those who practice the Protector wants to shorten the life of the Dalai Lama and create negative causes for Tibet's independence.
Actually from a socio-psychological stand point, doing this is not difficult. One only need to identify common fears amongst any community and play on these fears. Revolutions, mass hysteria, cults and witch hunts can be started this way. The other common factors for this to be successful are poverty and low levels of literacy.

The Dalai Lama is playing this game. Easy for him actually. Somehow it is not so convincing to the world. But still the ban has not come down. We need to spread the video everywhere!
Title: Re: No Ban?! Oh Come on, Watch This Video
Post by: Solomon Lang on March 19, 2014, 04:54:22 AM
A picture is worth a thousand words. A video is worth a zillion.
Title: Re: No Ban?! Oh Come on, Watch This Video
Post by: Tenzin K on March 20, 2014, 07:07:51 AM
It’s so bad looking at the how the ban effected the Dorje Shugden practitioners. The violence towards the practitioners can’t be denied. The worst things is that even monks and nuns influence and take part, can’t understand on what basis of their motivation in participating such attack?...CTA as a government has not protect their own people and find ways to resolve the problem but encourage violent towards their own people. HH Dalai Lama in the interview can still say that there is no violent. Let this video tell and show the world what the Lord Shugden practitioners going through and there is really no religious freedom.  If the Guru can be wrong how the student can be right as what the student learn and initiated is from the Guru himself.
Lift the ban as there is no reason for it and more people are suffering!
Now the video tell the millions words.
Title: Re: No Ban?! Oh Come on, Watch This Video
Post by: Rihanna on March 22, 2014, 09:09:28 PM
From this video it is obvious that there is a ban. What is bafflingly obvious is that the monks, nuns and Tibetan lay community had been coerced, threatened, bribed and emotionally whipped into a frenzy to regard the Protector as a spirit and those who practice the Protector wants to shorten the life of the Dalai Lama and create negative causes for Tibet's independence.
Actually from a socio-psychological stand point, doing this is not difficult. One only need to identify common fears amongst any community and play on these fears. Revolutions, mass hysteria, cults and witch hunts can be started this way. The other common factors for this to be successful are poverty and low levels of literacy.

The Dalai Lama is playing this game. Easy for him actually. Somehow it is not so convincing to the world. But still the ban has not come down. We need to spread the video everywhere!


[Let me share with you alittle more on your comment : "What is bafflingly obvious is that the monks, nuns and Tibetan lay community had been coerced, threatened, bribed and emotionally whipped into a frenzy to regard the Protector as a spirit".

Soon after the ban on Dorje Shugden was imposed, monks and nuns were seen taking out their Dorje Shugden statues to the roads in Dharamsala and stepped on the statues!!! OMG! This is an example of how ignorant these ordained beings are and acting totally out of blind faith and fear.  Did they even think that these statues also contained holy mantras and relics?  Then when CTA went on a witch hunt into people's home, it was said that in one of the homes they went in to, they mistakenly threw out a thanka of Mahakala which they thought that was Dorje Shugden. Thus is the government who lost their country. Need I say more how ridiculously stupid they all are? ]
Title: Re: No Ban?! Oh Come on, Watch This Video
Post by: Dondrup Shugden on May 29, 2015, 03:01:07 PM
There is no Ban, then the whole world is a stage set up for fools.  No one is a fool but as evidence watch the video and the truth will be told.

Lift the Ban now.
Title: Re: No Ban?! Oh Come on, Watch This Video
Post by: kris on May 30, 2015, 09:34:45 AM
The CTA and the Tibetans are insulting the world's intelligent by saying there is no ban, by twisting the words and try to find dictionary to proof there is no band. WHERE IS A BAN. THE END. Whatever you want to call it, ban or discrimination or segregation or separation, it is the same. The proofs are everywhere. And to me, the best part is, the western people whom are so well educated and much higher reasoning capability, they still fall into CTA's "brainwash".

I don't expect much from the Tibetans because CTA has training them not to use logic in their thinking, but i do hope at least the western people to think logically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEjq1s6WW5s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEjq1s6WW5s)


Title: Re: No Ban?! Oh Come on, Watch This Video
Post by: fruven on May 31, 2015, 04:04:08 PM
A lot of credibility has been lost just by insisting that this is an advice while actions of discrimination are happening to Tibetans who don't follow the advice. It is no longer considered an advice when violence and harm are happening to those who won't follow it. Furthermore public services such as education and medical care are withdrawn from those who don't state that they give up the practice.
Title: Re: No Ban?! Oh Come on, Watch This Video
Post by: kelly on June 04, 2015, 08:01:41 AM
I fully agree with what Kris said CTA has train the Tibetan not to think logically how can a protector they have practice for so many years can be a spirit this is unbelievable , how evil is the CTA is to change their own people to think DS is a demon not a buddha very bad karma for this people who do that.
Title: Re: No Ban?! Oh Come on, Watch This Video
Post by: grandmapele on June 05, 2015, 02:54:06 AM
'No ban' depends on which language you are talking about. I think, there is no word for 'ban' in the Tibetan language, so you cannot say there is a ban! LOL The ban here is only circumstantial as we see the actions and results of the followers/disciples of the Dalai Lama and Tibetans. Just like ' the snakes that speaks with fork tongue'
Title: Re: No Ban?! Oh Come on, Watch This Video
Post by: Dondrup Shugden on June 05, 2015, 04:48:21 AM
Well versed, Grandmapele, I like that description of snake that speaks with forked tongue.

In some ways CTA is correct as there is no Ban as per Tibetan language. Very sophisticated denial, but like I have mentioned the world is not a stage of fools.  Just because Shugdenpas are patient, compassionate and kind and not wish for division and segregation of the Buddhist community, CTA thinks we are fools.  LOL.
Title: Re: No Ban?! Oh Come on, Watch This Video
Post by: VeronicaSmith on June 29, 2015, 06:50:58 PM
Dot you just find it do irritating how the world just lets it slide and doesn't care about these people that are suffering. All they want is the freedom to religion and that is punishable so such treatment? Why do the people just follow the Dalai Lama and just ignore it blindly because some people just say that there is not conflict. These people being hurt didn't do anything wrong too. They are just being persecuted for not reason other than religious unacceptance and that shouldn't be around in todays modern society.

I hope this video spreads and goes everywhere and it shows the world on how these people are so cruel and there are lies behind this conflict. People need to help and awareness is the key to this problem. If we make this story big, then it will make more people look and more heads turn to help. I am sick of hearing that Shugden people are being hurt or hunted for something that they didn't do or deserve. I am sick of hearing of this suffering.
Title: Re: No Ban?! Oh Come on, Watch This Video
Post by: fruven on June 30, 2015, 01:07:23 AM
Dot you just find it do irritating how the world just lets it slide and doesn't care about these people that are suffering. All they want is the freedom to religion and that is punishable so such treatment? Why do the people just follow the Dalai Lama and just ignore it blindly because some people just say that there is not conflict. These people being hurt didn't do anything wrong too. They are just being persecuted for not reason other than religious unacceptance and that shouldn't be around in todays modern society.

I hope this video spreads and goes everywhere and it shows the world on how these people are so cruel and there are lies behind this conflict. People need to help and awareness is the key to this problem. If we make this story big, then it will make more people look and more heads turn to help. I am sick of hearing that Shugden people are being hurt or hunted for something that they didn't do or deserve. I am sick of hearing of this suffering.

This is one of the sufferings. There are plenty of sufferings in the world, human and animal slavery, human and animal trafficking and so on.

There are people having the attitude that if it doesn't affect me it is nothing to do with me. Basically it boils down to ignorance that we are interrelated. It does affect us but simply we are not aware of it.

Title: Re: No Ban?! Oh Come on, Watch This Video
Post by: Jason Statham on July 12, 2015, 10:35:28 AM
I cannot believe my own eyes, I cannot believe that the Dalai Lama would lie to so many people. As a Dorje Shugden practitioner, The Dalai Lama might have created the ban but I still respect His Holiness. It is just unbelievable that the Dalai Lama would do something like that. When the reporter asks Him whether anyone were harmed or any violence were reported, He simply lied to them and said no. The video has clearly shown that there were a lot of violence going on but He is still denying it. Also in the last footage where He gave a speech at Trijang Ladrang in 1999, He told everyone who were present that day: I fully support your actions. Now what does that mean? It means that the Dalai Lama is aware of the situation and yet He still support it. How can you call that Religious Freedom? What they showed us in the video is nothing close to being Religious Freedom, so how can you still call that Religious Freedom? it is very clear that He and the CTA is forcing as many people as possible to stop practicing Dorje Shugden. Also, when He was asked whether if His Lamas were wrong about Dorje Shugden, He only replied saying 'Yes, wrong' but He did not explain why. How is it possible for so many enlightened Lamas such as Trijang Rinpoche, Zong Rinpoche, Ganchen Rinpoche, Tsem Tulku Rinpoche and etc in the past 300 years to be wrong about Dorje Shugden and the Dalai Lama is the one who is correct? Does it make sense? I don't think so. Thank you for reading. By the way, Trijang Rinpoche is an emanation of Vajrayogini, Zong Rinpoche is an emanation of Buddha Heruka and Ganchen Rinpoche is an emanation of Medicine Buddha, so how can these three well known Buddhas be wrong and Dalai Lama is right?
Title: Re: No Ban?! Oh Come on, Watch This Video
Post by: Dondrup Shugden on July 15, 2015, 09:57:27 AM
Denial is a very sad state of the mind.  But HHDL is emanation of Chenrizig, there can be nothing wrong with His mind but yet, so much contradiction over this issue of Dorje Shugden.

Unbelievable but true.  Sad and all this will clear just by lifting the ban.
Title: Re: No Ban?! Oh Come on, Watch This Video
Post by: prodorjeshugden on November 08, 2015, 02:05:27 PM
It is really shocking to see how the CTA is organizing riots against the Dorje Shugden monasteries. Little do the rioters know what would happen to them in their next life.
To insult hundreds of monks is a really serious offence and whats more Karma multiplies every single day so by the time it ripens it will be too late to regret.

The Dalai Lama has said that there is no violence to Dorje Shugden practitioners, but recordings of his teachings prove otherwise, He has openly encouraged people who are harassing Shugden practitioners.
His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama was tutored by shugden practicing Lamas so if he says they are wrong it also means that he is wrong about everything too. The 14th Dalai Lamas tutors were Trijang Rinpoche (Emanation of Vajrayogini), Zong Rinpoche (emanation of Heruka) and Ganchen Rinpoche (emanation of medicine Buddha) Since the 14th Dala Lamas tutors were all emanation of Buddhas how could they all be wrong? It really does not make any sense at all.

May the ban be over soon for the sake of all Dorje Shugden practicioners.