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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: icy on January 17, 2014, 05:47:17 AM
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The Dalai Lama is urging the World Parliament to mediate on religious conflicts between Tibet and China. Perhaps it is also a channel for Tibetan Shugdens to approach and request them to look into resolving the Dorje Shugden conflict within the Tibetan community before they could make inroad into solving the China/Tibet issue. It has been proven that peaceful and friendly co-operations dissolve conflicts by great Shugden Lamas. If the Chinese could co-operate well without any conflict with Shugden Lamas in China certainly it could set precedence for CTA and Dalai Lama to follow.
Coimbatore (Tamil Nadu), Jan.8 (ANI): Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, has called for the resolution of the long-standing Tibetan issue and urged the World Parliament of Religions to remain active and to solve religious conflicts.
Dalai Lama expressed this on the 150th birth anniversary celebrations of Swami Vivekananda in Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu.
Expressing concern over religious conflicts, Dalai Lama said that the World Parliament of Religions should try to minimise the clashes.
"Occasionally, some international, this sort of meeting, is not sufficient. I think in the name of World Parliament (of) Religions, some sort of active organisation or office, wherever there are religious conflicts, should send some delegation and try to minimise these sort of conflict," the Dalai Lama said.
Violence has flared in Tibet since 1950, when Beijing claims it "peacefully liberated" the region. Many Tibetans say Chinese rule has eroded their culture and religion. They are agitating for the Dalai Lama's return from exile in India, and genuine autonomy for their homeland.
The Chinese Government denies trampling Tibetan rights and boasts of having brought development and prosperity to the region.
Since 2009, at least 121 Tibetans have set themselves on fire in China in protest against Beijing's policies in Tibet and nearby regions with large Tibetan populations. Most were calling for the return of the Dalai Lama.
As shocking as the first suicides were, the people who chose to burn themselves did so, Tibetan scholars say, in reaction to specific instances of abuse at particular monasteries. Tibetan Buddhist monasteries are often under surveillance and subject to raids by Chinese security forces.
Beijing considers the Dalai Lama, who fled China in 1959 after an abortive uprising against Chinese rule, a violent separatist. The Dalai Lama, who is based in India, says he is merely seeking greater autonomy for his Himalayan homeland.
During the event, Dalai Lama was optimistic that the Tibet issue would be resolved very soon.
"There are sort of different policies according to new reality. So, the same communist have the ability to act according to new reality. So, I am hopeful."
Since 2009, at least 121 Tibetans have set themselves on fire in China in protest against Beijing's policies in Tibet and nearby regions with large Tibetan populations. Most were calling for the return of the Dalai Lama.
Tensions have mounted between Tibet and China since 2008, after riots that broke out in the Tibet Autonomous Region and the Tibetan parts of China, which led to a government crackdown. (ANI)
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Whilst maintaining religious conflict in his own community? The word that comes to mind is hypocrite.
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I do NOT like Politics and I am not about to take the Chinese side as I know they are just as manipulative and hypocritical as the CTA. In fact they should bloody GET ALONG cos they are of the same breed! What's wrong with these people? Pot calling the Kettle black really... it's hilarious!! But what HHDL said makes it even worst for the CTA and Tibetans because he is literally asking for it...
"Occasionally, some international, this sort of meeting, is not sufficient. I think in the name of World Parliament (of) Religions, some sort of active organisation or office, wherever there are religious conflicts, should send some delegation and try to minimise these sort of conflict," the Dalai Lama said.
Let us just examine this quote for a second. SO if we are to agree on this, and I do AGREE... so why not HHDL let's investigate first in your own exile community and let us bring up the subject again on the ban of Dorje Shugden. Where is the RELIGIOUS FREEDOM for this please? Can we implement some delegation to investigate and minimise the conflict here??? I think it's a brilliant idea and GREAT PLACE TO START! Yes?
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Agreed with Lineageholder's and dsiluvu's views.
What is the point of resolving the religious conflicts of Tibet and China when HH Dalai Lama and CTA refuse to resolve the Dorje Shugden religious issue!
Sadly the Tibetans in the Tibetan Autonomous Region (TAR) had been living under false hopes of liberation from China through HH Dalai Lama and CTA. This is a mere dream as HH Dalai Lama and CTA could not realise this as they had tried to no avail. It is status quo for China where TAR is concerned! Furthermore, HH Dalai Lama's and CTA's preoccupation is on Dorje Shugden. Who is fighting for the FREE TIBET cause now? There is no focus at all and the momentum had long faded.
The main concern for Tibetans now should be FREE SHUGDEN! If the ban is not lifted soon, it is very detrimental to the overall well-being of the Tibetans. There is no freedom of religious practice, no human rights, no unity, no harmony, no peace, no happiness, no development, .... the list continues.
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On the one hand, Tibetans are fighting to regain their home, their country, but on the other hand, they are separating amongst themselves. How can you unite and regain what was once yours but cause so much suffering and separation within your own, with this unjust ban? The karma, the cause and effect, does not gel. You want harmony, you want unity, you want what's yours, you want to regain freedom, you want justice, you want peace... but to get those things, collectively, as a whole nation, you got to embody it, practice it and give it, then it will result to you receiving those things. The very fact that because even the CTA themselves don't practise this, how can you gain it? How can you hurt and give no freedom to your very own practitioners because of this ban towards Dorje Shugden, and expect something opposite as a result. There's no way, because you will then indirectly say that there's no karma. So if you want to achieve something, your actions and practise should reflect the same.
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I trust the members of the World Parliament are aware that a group of Tibetans in exile living in India are being side lined and ostracized by the CTA. It would be splendid if the World Parliament could resolve the religion conflict between the non Shugden and the Shugden believers first before trying to tackle a bigger conflict such as that between China and Tibet. Why not stop the violence and unfairness towards the Shugdenpas (who are Tibetans) before whining about violence from China?
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What an ironic act! To free Tibet from China, first i think Dalai Lama will have to lift this Ban.
Without Lifting this ban, he is loosing respect when more and more people knew the truth how this ban started.
Worst, the Chinese look down and do not respect Dalai Lama because this ban is consider an internal chaotic amongst Tibetan. When Dalai Lama going around the world to promote on Free Tibetan, on the other hand the CTA is killing and abusing own Tibetan brother and sisters in the Indian settlement. What a joke !
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How can someone talk about Religious freedom when obviously there's not even this freedom in the Tibetan community... and when asked about it, people like the Abbot of Shartse will even blatantly lie that no one's religious rights are affected.... On top of that the CTA must oppress the Tibetans by implementing certain regulations that oppress the DS practitioners, for all you know that's the promise they made in order to save their own political career by gaining the favor of HHDL.
If there's anything the World Parliament of Religions needs to do, it would be to end the ban on DS and return the freedom to practice DS to hundreds of thousands of people all over the world.
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Expressing concern over religious conflicts, Dalai Lama said that the World Parliament of Religions should try to minimise the clashes.
What?
This is so unreal...
The Dalai lama first installs a ban on a Buddha, then he claims that the enlightened Masters from his lineage are wrong -thus sabotaging his own credential, then the ban has results of ostracizing a part of the exiled Tibetan population, some monks even get attacked, the ban becomes a political tool for the CTA, ...
And then the Dalai Lama expresses concerns about religious conflicts and the clashes resulting from them?
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It is strange that, while a serious internal conflict threatens to tear the Tibetan community-in -exile asunder, the Dalai Lama is urging the World Parliament of Religions to step in and actively mediate the religious conflict between Tibet and China. Shouldn' t the internal conflict be addressed and resolved first?
Indeed, the issue of the conflict between Tibet and China appears to be a political rather than a religious conflict. China has allowed high Shugden Lamas to teach and spread the Dharma and these Lamas are spreading the Dharma, as well as Shugden practice very peacefully and with great impact.If HH Dalai Lama and the CTA were to abandon their anti-Shugden measures, like the ban, and peace is restored within, then surely religious peace will also be possible between Tibet and China, founded on the common ground of dharma and Shugden practice.
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Another instance where the Dalai Lama is using World events to talk about China's invasion of Tibet and that World should help to solve such conflicts.
The point to note is that the Dalai Lama did not talk about the religious conflicts among Tibetans. Interesting that 1950 history is brought up but not the current issue of the religious conflict over Dorje Shugden tradition.
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The point to note is that the Dalai Lama did not talk about the religious conflicts among Tibetans. Interesting that 1950 history is brought up but not the current issue of the religious conflict over Dorje Shugden tradition.
Which shows that the evil dalie is just performing his abject role of the puppet of his Western neo-colonialist puppet-masters hell bent on promoting ethnic and sectarian rifts in order to weaken and bring the chaos to the countries they want to divide and control, such as China (using Tibetans, Uighurs etc.), Russia (using Chechens, Tatars etc.), and Syria, Lebanon, and Iran (setting Sunni and Shia Muslims against each other).
This is the actual “bigger picture” behind the misguided actions of the evil dalie.
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Hahaha Matibhadra, I am almost convinced by your statement. Almost logical conclusion per the context of this article.
I have enjoyed your comment. Thank you.
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LOL...sounds idealistic. I'm all for it if the Dalai Lama is consistent with religious freedom for all even for Tibetans! Equanimity, my friend, equanimity........in all aspects, spiritual or otherwise
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Almost logical conclusion
As the conclusion that the foolish emperor had no clothes.
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everytime I read news like this (HH Dalai Lama urges/encourages the world to solve religious conflicts/issues), it got me thinking: why everyone in the world receives compassion from HH Dalai Lama, but not Dorje Shugde practitioners? Why is Dorje Shugden so special that it requires a special kind of discrimination?
I am just very puzzled..
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what religion conflicts that Dalai Lama talk about, the tibetan who resides in the exile community do not even have freedom to practice DS how can Dalai Lama ask others to resolve this religion conflicts in the first place he should resolve his own problem first , there is so much discrimination among the tibetan community in India this is not right for him to urge others to resolve their problem I think is very wrong.
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On the one hand, Tibetans are fighting to regain their home, their country, but on the other hand, they are separating amongst themselves. How can you unite and regain what was once yours but cause so much suffering and separation within your own, with this unjust ban? The karma, the cause and effect, does not gel. You want harmony, you want unity, you want what's yours, you want to regain freedom, you want justice, you want peace... but to get those things, collectively, as a whole nation, you got to embody it, practice it and give it, then it will result to you receiving those things. The very fact that because even the CTA themselves don't practise this, how can you gain it? How can you hurt and give no freedom to your very own practitioners because of this ban towards Dorje Shugden, and expect something opposite as a result. There's no way, because you will then indirectly say that there's no karma. So if you want to achieve something, your actions and practise should reflect the same.
I agreed. The karma has ripen and they cannot undo karma happened in the past.
What they can do now? If they don't want peace and unity then continue discriminate and living separately, but if they want harmony then start living in harmony today.
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what religion conflicts that Dalai Lama talk about, the tibetan who resides in the exile community do not even have freedom to practice DS how can Dalai Lama ask others to resolve this religion conflicts in the first place he should resolve his own problem first , there is so much discrimination among the tibetan community in India this is not right for him to urge others to resolve their problem I think is very wrong.
Kelly, you are right in that the religious freedom of the Tibetan in exile is curbed as far as the practice of Shugden is concerned. The Dalai Lama and especially Shugden practitioners do have 2 monasteries ie Shar Gaden and Serpom that are practicing Shugden and the primary reason there split from Gaden Shartse and Sera Monasteries is because of the practice. Pertinently, it is about devotion to the Guru as the practice has been passed on from the Lineage Gurus.
Having said that there is no total freedom compare to say a Tibetan Christians or Muslims who can practice their respective religion without fear or reprisal as with the Shugdenpas. So there is no freedom in that sense for Shugdenpas. What is the worst and powerful is not the "official ban" which exist; but the cultural ban that affects families, friends and communities because these affects pervasively 24/7.
Hence, there need not be an official lifting of the ban, but just a sentence from the Dalai Lama will suffice in alleviating the sufferings. The Dalai Lama can say He allows Shugden practice for example but put caveat on sectarianism which He claimed is His greatest concern. That would be fine for the Shugdenpas as the practice while emphasizing purity has never discriminated other schools of Buddhism.
All in all we need to study the Dharma well to have a better understanding of the issues at hand and somehow have better wisdom to alleviate the sufferings of those we come into contact and the world at large. In that way we thread the path of Dharma.
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Why does he speak out to people about these kind of issues when he has some to deal with that he can handle himself and solve himself which is the DS issue and how there is no religious tolerance. I would say hypocracy but the Dalai Lama's DS issue has to be solved so at lease he is making an effort for peace. So let it be a start to him solving this problem of ours that needs to be answered to and not ignored anymore.
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In a recent interview by Christiane Amanpour at CNN on 7th October 2015, His Holiness was asked about the treatment of the Rohingyas in Myanmar. H.H. replied that the Buddha would have protected the Rohingyas and said that the Buddhists in Myanmar should follow the Buddha sincerely. I wish His Holiness would also urge his people to "think of the Buddha's face" (H.H.'s own words) and protect all Shugden followers.
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H.H. replied that the Buddha would have protected the Rohingyas
The evil puppet dalie, as usual, is just supporting Islamic terrorism against Buddhists, in Myanmar as in Sri Lanka, as commanded by his Western puppet-masters.
Indeed, Rohingya Muslim extremists are a well known branch of Al-Qaeda, and, just like it and the Islamic State, brazenly supported by Saudi Arabia and the US.
Therefore, every Buddhist should denounce the evil terrorist dalie, and break any spurious “samaya” with the monstrous non-Buddhist, or rather anti-Buddhist entity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_insurgency_in_Western_Myanmar
[Rohingyas'] Military Expansions and connections with Taliban and Al-Qaeda (1988-2011)
The military camps of the Rohingya Solidarity Organization (RSO) were located in the Cox's Bazaar district in southern Bangladesh. RSO possessed a large number of light machine-guns, AK-47 assault rifles, RPG-2 rocket launchers, claymore mines and explosives according to a field report conducted by a famous correspondent Bertil Lintner in 1991. Arakan Rohingya Islamic Front (ARIF) was mostly equipped with UK-made 9mm Sterling L2A3 sub-machine guns, M-16 assault rifles and point-303 rifles. Afghan's Taliban instructors were seen in some of the RSO camps along the Bangladesh-Burma border, while nearly 100 RSO rebels were reported to be undergoing training in the Afghan province of Khost with Hizb-e-Islami Mujahideen.
Among the more than 60 videotapes obtained by CNN from Al-Qaeda's archives in Afghanistan in August 2002, one video showed that Muslim allies from "Burma" got training in Afghanistan. Some video tapes were shot in RSO camps in Bangladesh. These videos which show the linkage between Al-Qaeda and Rohingya insurgents were shot in the 1990s. Besides, RSO recruited many Rohingya guerrillas. According to Asian intelligence sources, Rohingya recruits were paid 30,000 Bangladeshi taka ($525) on joining and then 10,000 taka ($175) per month. The families of recruits killed in action were offered 100,000 taka ($1,750).Which is quite substantial amount for those in poor region . Rohingya recruits, believed to be quite substantial in numbers, were taken to Pakistan, where they were trained and sent on further to military camps in Afghanistan. They were given the most dangerous tasks in the battlefield.
The expansion of the RSO in the late 1980s and early 1990s made the Burmese government to launch a massive counter-offensive to clear up the Burma-Bangladesh border. In December 1991, Burmese troops crossed the border and attacked a Bangladeshi military outpost. The incident developed into a major crisis in Bangladesh-Burma relations, and by April 1992, more than 250,000 Rohingya civilians had been forced out of Arakan, western Burma. During these happenings in April 1992, Prince Khaled Sultan Abdul Aziz, commander of the Saudi Arabian Military, visited Dhaka and recommended to wage a military action against Burma like Operation Desert Storm in Iraq.
Rohingya Militants
In April 1994, about 120 members of RSO militant group entered Maungdaw Township by crossing the Naf River which marks the border between Bangladesh and Burma. On 28 April 1994, nine out of 12 time bombs planted in 12 different places in Maungdaw by RSO militants exploded. One fire engine and some buildings were damaged, while four civilians were seriously wounded in the explosions.
On 28 October 1998, Rohingya Solidarity Organization (RSO) and Arakan Rohingya Islamic Front (ARIF) combined together and the Rohingya National Council (RNC) was founded. The Rohingya National Army (RNA) was also established as its armed wing; and, the Arakan Rohingya National Organization (ARNO) appeared to organize all the different Rohingya insurgents into one group.
According to US Embassy Cables revealed by Wikileaks, the alleged meeting of ARNO members and Al-Qaeda representatives is reported as follows:
“Five members (names still under inquiry by the GOB) of ARNO attended a high-ranking officers' course with Al Qaeda representatives on 15 May 2000 and arrived back in Bangladesh on 22 June. During the course, they discussed matters relating to political and military affairs, arms and ammunition, and financing with Osama Bin Laden. Mohamed Arju Taida and Mohamed Rau-Sheik Ar-Mar Darsi from the Taliban were present with them at the meeting. Ninety members of ARNO were selected to attend a guerrilla warfare course, a variety of explosives courses and heavy-weapons courses held in Libya and Afghanistan in August, 2001. Thirteen out of these selected members participated in the explosives and heavy-weapons training. ”
As Wikileaks noted, there was also connection between Talibans and ARNO Rohingya militants:
“Arrival of Two Talibans at ARNO Headquarters:
Al Ha-Saud and Al Ja-hid, two members of Taliban group, arrived at ARNO's headquarters in Zai-La-Saw-Ri Camp on 2 November 2001 from the Rohingya Solidarity Organization's (RSO) Kann-Grat-Chaung camp. They met with Nur Islam (Chairman), ZaFaur-Ahmed (Secretary) and Fayos Ahmed (acting Chief-of-Staff Army), ARNO, and discussed the reorganization of RSO and ARNO. It was learned that ARNO/RSO and Taliban groups planned to hold a meeting on 15 November 2001. Nurul Islam, Chairman of ARNO, also declared that the Arakan Rohingya Islamic Front (ARIF) and the Rohingya Solidarity Organization (RSO) had agreed to reorganize as integrated members of ARNO. However, Mullah Dil-Mar from RSO did not agree with this re-organization and resigned with his entourage of insurgents.”
In March 2011, between 80 to 100 Rohingya Muslim men in Maungdaw Township of Burma-Bangladesh border were arrested by Burma Frontier Forces accusing them of belonging to a terrorist ring linked to the Taliban. According to the source, a Taliban militant known as Moulivi Harun had given the group training in combat and bomb making deep in the jungles of northern Maungdaw on the Bangladesh border in February, 2011. Among the suspected people allegedly linked to Talibans, 19 people were brought before the court in March and April, 2011.[24] Twelve of the 19 suspects in associating with the Taliban and other Islamic militant groups were sentenced to various jail terms on 6 September 2011.
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Holy smolly! Matibhadra, you sure know where to get your information. Most of us would have missed that piece of info. It's scary. This is worse than the guerilla warfare of Vietnam. If these Rohinyas are assimilated into the different countries under refugee status, what is going to happen in later years when the sleepers are recalled? Leaving religion aside, how do we deal with this horror?
What is the Dalai Lama doing? Does he know what's behind the scene, as they call it?
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Most of us would have missed that piece of info.
Such is the power of Western media's mass brainwashing.
It's scary. This is worse than the guerilla warfare of Vietnam.
Actually the guerrilla warfare of Vietnam was something very good. Thanks to it Vietnamese people managed to protect their country against US genocidal terrorism.
If these Rohinyas are assimilated into the different countries under refugee status, what is going to happen in later years when the sleepers are recalled?
Like cancer cells, Islam spreads in many ways and everywhere. In this degenerate age many people, not only Rohingyas, are simply attracted to Islam's message of violence. You wrote your message just two days before the Paris attacks, which are kind of answer to you question.
Leaving religion aside, how do we deal with this horror?
Understanding its sources, and denouncing them. For instance, US and Israel have brazenly and for decades supported Wahhabite terrorism, which includes al-Qaeda and Islamic State, while trying to convince the world that they are “fighting” terrorism.
What is the Dalai Lama doing?
Just performing his role as a puppet, as ascribed to him by his puppet masters.
Does he know what's behind the scene, as they call it?
Of course he knows. He is part of the mafia behind the scene, although just as a minor puppet. That's why he is called the evil dalie.
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How about, resolve the inner issues, set up own people. - Lift the Dorje Shugden ban. Which is not necessary and entirely have hurt their Tibetan people, who are in refugee status. The people who have been ban, is the refugees amongst the refugees. What kind of human rights they have? Who will speak for them?
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Lift the Dorje Shugden ban. Which is not necessary
Not necessary to you, who are not interested in destroying the pure tradition of Je Tsongkhapa. However, to the likes of the evil dalie and his minions and accomplices and puppet-masters, this ban is perceived as highly necessary. And why? Just because the pure tradition of Je Tsongkhapa, faithful as it is to the Buddha's teachings, is founded on strict logic rather than on dogma and superstition and convenience, and therefore impervious to politicizing, Nyignmaizing, Rimeizing, Judaizing, Western colonializing, and other degenerating “-izing” influences.