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Title: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Losang_Tenpa on December 29, 2013, 05:03:32 PM
The Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on Dhogyal during the forth day of Lamrim teaching at Sera Jhe in Bylakuppe on 28th Dec. 2013

His Holiness Inaugurates a book on Dhogyal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJYsB0BiGPg#ws)

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Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: vajratruth on December 29, 2013, 06:20:14 PM
The Dalai Lama imposed the ban in 1996 and with even greater force in 2008. As a matter of fact, as of 2008 the Dalai Lama's stance and policies enforced by the CTA have all but made the ban illegal although, ironically, the ban itself is illegal and unconstitutional.

The anti-Shugden camp have not left any stone unturned and even went to the extreme of expelling Shugden monks and issuing death threats to Shugden monks and lay practitioners. And yet, 17 years after the ban and over five years since the unholy purge, they still have to write books justifying the ban and the Dalai Lama himself has to promote it.

I would say that this is a sure sign that the ban is not that popular and over time more and more people have come to realise how unreasonable the ban is and how the reasons put forward to justify it are lies. The simple fact is, not even the Dalai Lama is more powerful than the Truth. This is despite untiring efforts by the CTA to rewrite political and spiritual history and twisting facts not in their favour such as the Great Fifth Dalai Lama acknowledging the enlightened nature of Dorje Shugden. The CTA even created a Dolgyal Research Committee to churn out negative propaganda and they do so quite miserably by simply lying.

How unfortunate that the occasion of the teachings of the Lamrin, an exposition of the truth, should be underscored by the retelling of lies and the practice of anti-Dharma.

Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: hope rainbow on December 29, 2013, 10:44:18 PM
I have not seen that "book" and I don't know what it says. I can only imagine and assume.
But I know this, history and logic will make the truth about Dorje Shugden prevail, it is not a matter of belief within Buddhism, it is a matter of logic and common sense.
So this book is actually good news, because it makes the debate more dynamic, and as I expect there would be a reasoning of some sort in this book to justify the ban, then this very reasoning can be dismantled by a more potent reasoning, the same that this website explains in great details.
Thus, this new book can be turned around as a potent platform to help remove the ban.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Positive Change on December 29, 2013, 10:59:15 PM
Sounds to me like more "justifications" if ever to "combat" the resistance to this now ridiculous ban. It is like the PR smear campaign of politics... This only serves to remind us all that if any justification is needed, it certainly is NOT the truth as the truth needs no justification. The prevailing justice that WILL come and the ban WILL end, and The Protector of our Time WILL indeed finally have his much deserved recognition and respect!
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: wang on December 29, 2013, 11:58:45 PM
The CTA even created a Dolgyal Research Committee to churn out negative propaganda and they do so quite miserably by simply lying.

They already have such a book published in Taiwan and be on shelf of major bookstores for over 2 years.  If you read the chapter about Pabongka Rinpoche you would cry out probably, not for how distorted the picture is on Pabongka Rinpoche but for how dangerous the Gelukpa lineage is under this dispute.

They even put on title  'Research on Tibet's Protectors - Yidams and Spirits' to make it like an academic publication...

Hope HHDL is not referring to Tibetan version of this book, not during the time he is doing the 'Liberation on your hand' transmission...
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Lineageholder on December 30, 2013, 09:25:48 AM
I find it sad that the Dalai Lama has used the occasion of giving precious Lamrim teachings to promote his political agenda and to make further attempts to destroy the precious lineage that these teachings come from. Furthermore, he is enacting the supreme hypocrisy of talking about non-sectarianism whilst promoting a sectarian agenda.

Dalai Lama, stop lying!
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: DharmaSpace on December 30, 2013, 10:40:42 AM
@Losang Tenpa Can the video be transcribed into English ?

Anyways it is so inauspicious for them to propagate half truths and lies in Gaden itself. 

I heard references to Tulku Dragpa Gyeltsen, Duldzin and Pabongka Rinpoche. I look at it as the ban it starting to  bother them so much they actually have a book published out on Dorje Shugden, so the work done on this websites and by other lamas are beginning to take its toll on them. For them to respond in such a manner. Lets bother them some more so they can never have any moment of peace until they bring this ban down.   




 
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Manjushri on December 30, 2013, 10:54:57 AM
Funny, how I see it is that, if the ban was truthful, and correct, why the need to even publish a book to justify and have HHDL inaugurate it? If the ban was correct, shouldn't people all over the world just listen to HHDL and not counter it at all, since the ban is correct?

Publishing a book on Dorje Shugden, and I suppose the contents of which are to highlight that Shugden is an evil spirit, how he is not enlightened, how practising it will be harmful etc etc., goes to show that CTA/Anti-DS communities have to convince people that DS is as what they wrongly accuse him to be. If what they say were true, then everyone would've followed in the first place, and they do not have to go through these great lengths to prove otherwise.

On a side note, I'm glad to see the respect shown to His Holiness and how many people/sangha will be blessed by HH's presence in the talks.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: icy on December 30, 2013, 12:18:45 PM
Truth is powerful and cannot be obliterated no matter what method or book CTA and Shartse Abbot try to deploy to the justification of the ban.  CTA undermine the intelligence of Tibetans and remain stuck to feudalism in the ancient period of Tibet during 21st century and beyond the ground of Tibet.  Justice to truth will erase their primitive brutality of  removing an authentic and powerful protector practice.  The ban cannot withstand the force of truth much longer and has to fall away soon.


Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Losang_Tenpa on December 30, 2013, 02:03:58 PM
Also found this on Radio Free Asia:

Dalai Lama talks about Shugden is South India:

http://www.rfa.org/tibetan/dalai-lama/hh-dalai-lama-talks-about-shugden-in-south-india-12282013111531.html (http://www.rfa.org/tibetan/dalai-lama/hh-dalai-lama-talks-about-shugden-in-south-india-12282013111531.html)
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Freyr Aesiragnorak on December 30, 2013, 03:38:16 PM
These justifications published in this book of supposed truth is nothing but lies to try to cover baseless ideas in relation to the great and powerful protector. it is truly a shame that they could even think of doing this during Lamrim teachings. The Dalai Lama's show of hypocrisy is disheartening to say the least. People need to know that someone whom the whole world thinks promotes tolerance, he himself is a person who does the exact opposite. 
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Lineageholder on December 30, 2013, 06:11:20 PM
Also found this on Radio Free Asia:

Dalai Lama talks about Shugden is South India:

[url]http://www.rfa.org/tibetan/dalai-lama/hh-dalai-lama-talks-about-shugden-in-south-india-12282013111531.html[/url] ([url]http://www.rfa.org/tibetan/dalai-lama/hh-dalai-lama-talks-about-shugden-in-south-india-12282013111531.html[/url])


There's no mention of this in the English section of the website.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: samayakeeper on December 31, 2013, 05:37:45 AM
I think it would be good if high lamas from both camps meet to have an open debate, just like monks in monastery do, on why Dorje Shugden is claimed to be a demon and the ban by the anti Shugden group and why Dorje Shugden is an enlightened dharma protector and why the ban should be lifted by the pro Shugden group. Such an event should be witnessed by scholars from monasteries of each camp and a decision should be made after the debate. This would be more civilized, logical and peaceful compared to what the ban is doing to innocent people. I do not agree the issue of the ban should be brought up in a dharma teaching regardless of who was the speaker or VIP invited.   
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: WisdomBeing on December 31, 2013, 06:22:57 PM
Also found this on Radio Free Asia:

Dalai Lama talks about Shugden is South India:

[url]http://www.rfa.org/tibetan/dalai-lama/hh-dalai-lama-talks-about-shugden-in-south-india-12282013111531.html[/url] ([url]http://www.rfa.org/tibetan/dalai-lama/hh-dalai-lama-talks-about-shugden-in-south-india-12282013111531.html[/url])


Thanks for sharing this, Losang Tenpa. is there an English translation? I would love to hear what the Dalai Lama actually said about Dorje Shugden. Is there a new perspective or is it simply same old same old?

Cheers oh.. and happy 2014 in advance - or whenever India's timezone turns 2014!
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Losang_Tenpa on January 02, 2014, 12:38:38 PM
Here is his first talk on the 24th.

HIs Holiness address on Dhogyal, Bylakuppe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re4eW0R0VS4#ws)
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: dsiluvu on January 02, 2014, 04:05:31 PM
Thanks LT.... and the next thing we hear is this... An innocent monk was hurt, why Dalai Lama??? What are you teaching? CTA creates violence again! http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/cta-creates-violence-again/comment-page-1/#comment-52905 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/cta-creates-violence-again/comment-page-1/#comment-52905)

Whether it is the CTA who assigned these violent attacks or not... it is no doubt that the more HH Daia Lama talks about Dorje Shugden being bad and discriminating, the more He is creating negativities and igniting hater and pro-Dalai Lama illiterates to take such violent actions! You''d think they are Buddhist, but no they would even attack monks and yes we all know sometimes kill!

Disgusting people... why would they ever think that they will even get their country back? They are crazy and violent people!!
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Zach on January 02, 2014, 07:17:39 PM
Stop lying Dalai lama !

Well we must need to step it up a bit then :)
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Admin on January 02, 2014, 09:09:48 PM
Yes, we must step it up. We must do much more awareness and social media to highlight what CTA is doing. All Dorje Shugden practitioners must unite and put away differences for the sake of removing the ban in life and online.

The ban must be removed against Dorje Shugden practitioners who are following a pure lineage. All lamas who practice Dorje Shugden will be able to bring Buddha Dharma to a larger audience with this ban removed and the unfair stigmas against them eliminated. We must unite further to remove this ban starting here.

Admin

Stop lying Dalai lama !

Well we must need to step it up a bit then :)
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: DharmaSpace on January 03, 2014, 12:02:47 PM
@Losang Tenpa will Shar Gaden have a press conference or press release so all the prominent press in the world can be notified of such a heinous act on an elderly and productive member of the sangha?

The dorjeshugden.com website has been alerting the whole world about all the things CTA wants to cover up. A press release would be beneficial to keep CTA in check and not do anything stupid at this juncture. And this attack is NEWS for all the news people. The indian democracy and people needs to be aware of what is happening in their backyard. The world needs to be informed that all is not well within the Indian motherland. 

Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Lineageholder on January 03, 2014, 10:12:18 PM
@Losang Tenpa will Shar Gaden have a press conference or press release so all the prominent press in the world can be notified of such a heinous act on an elderly and productive member of the sangha?

The dorjeshugden.com website has been alerting the whole world about all the things CTA wants to cover up. A press release would be beneficial to keep CTA in check and not do anything stupid at this juncture. And this attack is NEWS for all the news people. The indian democracy and people needs to be aware of what is happening in their backyard. The world needs to be informed that all is not well within the Indian motherland.

This is a very good idea, although the world's media are very resistant to reporting anything negative about the Dalai Lama, so the truth takes a long time to come to light.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: LosangKhyentse on January 04, 2014, 12:34:12 AM

Dear Venerable Losang Tenpa,

If I understand correctly, you are a incumbent American monk of Shar Gaden Monastery. If this true, may I suggest as you speak/write English that you make this even go viral on the internet. Hold press conferences or at least write letters with pictures to send to the many Indian press and international press to bring attention to what is happening. You can offer yourself for interviews by the press if necessary. Since you are there and you are fluent in speaking/writing English I think this would be helpful. Perhaps the press will pick up on it perhaps not, but trying is important. Since you live there you are vital for first hand information.

It's nice we pray and wish our enemies well, but we also need to speak up. Take positive action like go to the press especially if we are living in Shar Gaden. CTA always falsely accuses Shugden practitioners as violent and killing Lobsang Gyatso of Dialectical School in Dharamsala which is a total lie (as they cannot prove it in any way till today), but now we have this violent incident to show them what they are inciting the Tibetan public to do each time the Tibetan leadership speaks up against Shugden which they did again in Sera recently. 

This website/forum are good, but it needs to reach a much wider audience either directly or we inform them of this forum. We must bring more people here to read and let them know what has happened to Gen Chonzey. It's the lease we can do to show support and not let this incident 'go to waste'. We must let the world know what CTA is still doing.

This year, CTA has a big budget (rumoured by the Sera Monks who attended the teachings and friendly with CTA) to use for further propaganda and tactics to suppress Shugden practitioners.

By the blessings of Dorje Shugden we have this website keeping up up to date and appreciate all the work, time, research that has been put into this place give us first hand and reliable news. This website is consistent and so much information.

Thank you www.dorjeshugden.com (http://www.dorjeshugden.com) and thank you Ven Losang Tenpa.

TK
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@Losang Tenpa will Shar Gaden have a press conference or press release so all the prominent press in the world can be notified of such a heinous act on an elderly and productive member of the sangha?

The dorjeshugden.com website has been alerting the whole world about all the things CTA wants to cover up. A press release would be beneficial to keep CTA in check and not do anything stupid at this juncture. And this attack is NEWS for all the news people. The indian democracy and people needs to be aware of what is happening in their backyard. The world needs to be informed that all is not well within the Indian motherland.


This is a very good idea, although the world's media are very resistant to reporting anything negative about the Dalai Lama, so the truth takes a long time to come to light.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: LosangKhyentse on January 04, 2014, 12:37:30 AM

We should step it up.
We must make this article on Gen Chonze go viral on internet so more can read on the violence CTA resorts to when they don't get their way.

The Dalai Lama had a 27 mins speech in Sera on the 3rd day of teachings (Dec 2013) against Shugden again. And how harmful Shugden is and the followers are violent and how he must be very careful. Will not these words incite the crowd?

TK
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Stop lying Dalai lama !

Well we must need to step it up a bit then :)
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: kris on January 04, 2014, 02:51:50 AM
The Dalai Lama had a 27 mins speech in Sera on the 3rd day of teachings (Dec 2013) against Shugden again. And how harmful Shugden is and the followers are violent and how he must be very careful. Will not these words incite the crowd?

TK

Wow.. 27 minutes on how harmful on Dorje Shugden... I wonder how many people will benefit if He would spend 27 minutes on Manjushri or Shakyamuni, etc..

... and Shugden practitioners are violent? Who beat up the 84 year old monk? Who is the one who incite the hatred and dividing the Tibetans?

I do agree with the argument above that, why do you need a book on "Dhogyal" after so many years? The only logical conclusion we can come to, is that people are starting to question this whole issue of Shugden. Previously, without the internet, not much information can reach the Tibetans, but now, with the internet, the Tibetans are getting more and more information, and the "fact" about Dorje Shugden is no longer a truth.

That's why social media about this Shugden is an important task to have more Tibetans being informed about the truth.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: dharmacrazy79 on January 04, 2014, 07:13:38 AM
Based on the track record of the CTA and the debate points they used in the past, I can only state that this book would have minimal impact, as the content will carry little weight.

In some ways, in agreement with Hope Rainbow, this book could be used to show how without basis the anti-Shugden movement is. After all, there is no need to justify if there is…no need to. What more a second justification.

I view this new book to be a desperate effort of the CTA to repair their tarnished reputation that I believe is the direct consequence of poor performance and result and the governing body of the Tibetans in exile. The change from Tibetan Government in Exile (TGIE) to an administration is certainly a downgrade. Not only will this organization be looked upon with reduced regard internationally, this demotion will cause Tibetans themselves to question the necessity of the CTA.

Therefore, instead of focusing time, effort and resources to cause further harm within the Tibetan community and Buddhadharma, the CTA should focus on supporting the Dalai Lama to spread the pure teachings of Lord Buddha.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Galen on January 04, 2014, 02:51:39 PM
This was found on the website.

http://tibet.net/2013/12/29/his-holiness-presides-over-geshe-lharampa-degree-award-ceremony-launches-book-on-dholgyal/ (http://tibet.net/2013/12/29/his-holiness-presides-over-geshe-lharampa-degree-award-ceremony-launches-book-on-dholgyal/)

Bylakuppe, Karnataka, India, 28 December 2013: This morning His Holiness the Dalai Lama walked briskly from his car to the teaching venue in the Sera Jey courtyard. He smiled and waved to well-wishers in the crowd, but did not stop. Once the recitation of the Heart Sutra was complete, successful Lharampa Geshe candidates received their certificates and posed in groups for photographs with His Holiness. Before the teaching began, Chairman of the Geluk International Foundation, Lama Chosphel Zotpa addressed the assembly.

Acknowledging His Holiness, Ganden Tri Rinpoche and other honoured guests he announced that his request for a special ceremony had been accepted.

“With regard to the practice of Dolgyal, which has caused no end of trouble in the monasteries in India, it has been discouraged and the Ganden Tri Rinpoche and others have made it clear that we should put a stop to it. Consequently, we have compiled a book containing all the relevant documents. With due respect I would like to ask His Holiness to launch the book, which is being published by the Geluk International Foundation under the auspices of the Department of Religion & Culture of the Central Tibetan Administration. Ganden Tri Rinpoche is the head of the Geluk International Foundation, which consists of the 11 major Geluk monasteries. It has been set up to look after education in those monasteries and to improve it where we can. For example, at our instance, the Geluk exams will include science from 2014.

“This book is called ‘Opening the Eye of Discernment: a Golden Key’ and I invite the Shartse Abbot, Jangchup Choeden, to introduce it.’
 
Ven Jangchup Choeden stepped forward and explained that the book had been compiled by three bodies among which the Geluk International Foundation (GIF) had played the leading role. It is not a document that has been compiled under His Holiness’s or anyone else’s order, but as a result of decisions made by GIF. As a result of many years of investigation, His Holiness the Dalai Lama has made it clear that the practice of Dolgyal should be stopped. As a result, there are some who say that His Holiness is snatching away their religious freedom. This, Jangchup Choeden said, is untrue. While Buddhism flourished among Tibetans, Dolgyal followers say Dolgyal is an authentic Geluk protector. Others say Guru Padmasambhava bound him by oath and that Tulku Dakpa Gyaltsen was asked to arise as a Geluk protector. These are all false tales. As interest in Buddhism extends around the world, more and more people want to know the truth.
 
“I’d like to explain how it was compiled,” Ven Jangchup Choeden said. “We investigated all the relevant documents, starting with the 5th Dalai Lama’s statement that Tulku Dakpa Gyaltsen was recognised through the manipulations of his mother Lag Agyal and later arose in the form of a wrathful spirit. We concluded that Dolgyal has not only not been helpful to the Gelugpa tradition, but has actually been harmful to it. This is why it’s important to make clear what the Gelugpa position should be about this in the future. Finally, our teacher and guide His Holiness the Dalai Lama has been giving vast and profound advice about the practice of Dolgyal. We pray that he may live for aeons and aeons for the benefit of sentient beings.”
Chosphel Zotpa asked the Sera Jey abbot to present the book to His Holiness for him to launch it, which he did, unwrapping and presenting it to the assembly and adding his comments:
“I saw a copy of this book in Delhi and glanced over the contents. It seems to have been done thoroughly. It has been claimed that Dolgyal is a protector of Jamgon Lama Tsongkhapa’s tradition and at one time I propitiated it on this basis. When I was at Dromo, the medium of Dolgyal and Dulzin was there while the mediums of Nechung and Gadong were absent. As a follower of Phabongka Rinpoche’s tradition and a student of Trijang Rinpoche, I made a connection with Dolgyal.

“However, after coming into exile, Gyen Pema Gyaltsen and others, including my spiritual abbot, Ling Rinpoche, evinced great reluctance about the practice, which made me pause and look more closely into it. I did a series of tests and examinations culminating in my doing a divination to decide whether I should stop the practice or not. I looked back on Dolgyal’s history, to the works of the 5th Dalai Lama, who was the most influential person to know him. In his biography he wrote starkly about Dolgyal, saying that due to the devious manipulation of Lag Agyal Gekhasa the wrong candidate was recognised as Tulku Dakpa Gyaltsen. He stated clearly that ‘because of distorted prayers he became a perfidious spirit (dam sri) and brought serious harm to sentient beings.’ He also mentioned that when the spirit went to Tashi Lhunpo, he was stopped by the guardians at the gate so he went on to Sakya where, when challenged, he identified himself as a ‘perfidious spirit’.

 
“In the early part of his life Phabongka Rinpoche was an eclectic non-sectarian. The 13th Dalai Lama admired him. He did a retreat on Tamdin Yang Sang (Hayagriva, a wrathful aspect of Chenresig and a protector of Sera Jey Monastery) when Trijang Rinpoche was a small boy. Rinpoche told me that he remembers the attendants making pills in connection with it. Later, when he openly propitiated Dolgyal, this changed. There are claims that his teacher Tagphu Dorje Chang composed the life entrustment ritual, but there don’t seem to be records of this. Tagphu Dorje Chang was a Gelugpa who also did Nyingma practices. He’s said to have written down a vision he had of the Ka-gye. Trijang Rinpoche had a copy of it. Later, as Phabongka Rinpoche became more sectarian, he stated that Tamdin Yang Sang should not be included in the merit field. By his propitiation of Dolgyal and his propagation of the practice Phabongka Rinpoche upset the 13th Dalai Lama.
“There is a report that one of Phabongka Rinpoche’s disciples, an attendant of Nguru Ta lama, dreamed of Dolgyal in trance. The spirit announced in a high-pitched celebratory tone: “It will be on the 30th after the 9th is finished.” This may be taken to have been a celebratory prediction of the 13th Dalai Lama’s passing away. Was this something to celebrate? Compare it to a dream someone had when Je Sherab Sengey passed away in which Palden Lhamo cried, ‘My brother has passed away.’

“The 13th Dalai Lama had a broad vision for Tibet, but many of those who worked for him didn’t fulfil it. He didn’t give extensive teachings, but he was strict about how monks studied in the monasteries. After the 13th Dalai Lama passed away, Phabongka Rinpoche escalated the practice of Dolgyal. I too became involved in the practice out of ignorance. After I began to speak about stopping the practice Gyen Ugyen Tsetan said to me that between the lama and the protector, in terms of tantra, going against the lama’s word is more serious.

“Many people followed my advice; the abbots told me many people had stopped the practice. And yet there are those who would deceive others by saying that I am still propitiating Dolgyal, showing pictures of me with an image of Dolgyal in the background. In Tibet there are even stories that Tulku Dakpa Gyaltsen is an emanation of Je Rinpoche arisen as a haughty wrathful spirit. When he died, Je Rinpoche merged the mother and child clear light and attained the illusory body. Would such a being arise as a haughty wrathful spirit? The suggestion is just defamatory.”

His Holiness commended people not to dismiss this book which contains facts and true accounts of what happened. He said:

“If you want to dispute what it says, that’s up to you. If, after studying the book, you want to oppose the Dalai Lama, that’s also up to you. To make a mistake out of ignorance is understandable, but to act knowingly is another matter. There are those in the USA and Europe who publicly demonstrate against me over this. People call me an enemy of Buddhism and Je Rinpoche’s tradition. In this connection I quote Khache Phalu: ‘I have given my heart’s advice to you, you can pay heed to me or not as you wish.’ In the USA and here in India I am provided with security protection because of the perceived threat related to this issue.

“The Dolgyal people are quite rough. They killed the Director of the Institute of Buddhist Dialectics by stabbing him and cutting his throat along with two other young scholars. They have threatened people in Mundgod and elsewhere. Because of this we need to be careful.

“Gyen Pema Gyaltsen was strongly opposed to the propitiation of Dolgyal; Trijang Rinpoche and Zong Rinpoche strongly supported it. Ling Rinpoche and others remained quiet about it, but Pema Gyaltsen told me he was very unhappy about it. I stirred up this turbulence where there was calm. Palden Lhamo has a role in this and I’m acting on her behalf. It’s necessary to be clear about what should be known, but once you know you can do what you wish.”
Resuming his reading of the 5th Dalai Lama’s ‘Sacred Words of Manjushri,’ His Holiness remarked that meeting Dharma in this human life happens only once, not over and over again. He remarked that this text contains the entire meaning of the Great Stages of the Path. He also reiterated that all Tibetan Buddhist traditions follow the Nalanda tradition of study and practice and that is something to be proud of. He also read from ‘The Swift Path,’ the Stages of the Path text by Panchen Lobsang Yeshe and from ‘The Southern Lineage,’ the Stages of the Path text by Je Gendun Jamyang, which follows the instructions of ‘The Sacred Words of Manjushri’. Transmission of both of these latter texts His Holiness received from Trijang Rinpoche.

He repeated the story of Dromtonpa’s passing away. Dromtonpa had laid his head in Potowa’s lap, when a tear fell on his cheek and he asked what the matter was. Potowa answered, “Who will I rely on when you’re gone?” and Dromtonpa told him to rely on scripture. His Holiness commended this as very appropriate advice. He concluded the day’s session saying:

“The question is whether we have put our precious human life to any meaningful purpose or not.”


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I find it very trivial and funny when they have to bring in Lag Agyal into the picture implying that she is so powerful that she manages to manipulate the situation and fool the then Dalai Lama to be recognised as Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen.  Is there no other way to defend your story? If not, just let it go and life the ban!


Even the tone of the Dalai Lama in launching the book is quite neutral. He does not force his followers to follow what he says but to make their own choice after reading the book.

Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: lotus1 on January 04, 2014, 05:27:24 PM
Agreed with tk.
Dear Venerable Losang Tenpa, if you or anyone from Shar Gaden and with first hand information, I urge you to step up and hold press conference or write letters to the Indian press or International Press to bring more attention to this matter.
Please send a copy of the letter or information of the press conference to Dorjeshudgen.com and I am sure they will publish that out. All the Shugden practitioners and I will support you in spreading the news so that more people will get to know the truth. CTA has created violence again to the Shugden practitioners. (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/cta-creates-violence-again (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/cta-creates-violence-again)) We have to stop them from doing harm again! 

Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: lotus1 on January 04, 2014, 05:47:52 PM
Thanks Galen for sharing. It is sad to see so many lies in the article and what HH Dalai Lama said.
 
HH the 5th Dalai Lama, HH Trijang Rinpoche, Kyabje Ling Rinpoche, as well as HH Panchen Rinpoche have composed prayers for Dorje Shugden. They are all lineage masters and high lama. Are they all wrong?

Prayer by HH The 10th Panchen Rinpoche : http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/dharma-readings/complete-collected-writings-of-his-holiness-the-10th-panchen-rinpoche-lobsang-trinley-lhundup-gyaltsen-1938-1989/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/dharma-readings/complete-collected-writings-of-his-holiness-the-10th-panchen-rinpoche-lobsang-trinley-lhundup-gyaltsen-1938-1989/)

Prayer by the 5th Dalai Lama to Gyelchen Dorje Shugden: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/prayers/dorje-shugden-prayers/prater-by-the-fifth-dalai-lama-to-gyelchen-dorje-shugden/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/prayers/dorje-shugden-prayers/prater-by-the-fifth-dalai-lama-to-gyelchen-dorje-shugden/)

Prayer by HH Trijang Rinpoche to request for activity of Gyalchen Shugden: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/prayers/dorje-shugden-prayers/request-for-activity-of-gyalchen-shugden-by-kyabje-trijang-rinpoche/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/prayers/dorje-shugden-prayers/request-for-activity-of-gyalchen-shugden-by-kyabje-trijang-rinpoche/)

Prayer by Kyabje Ling Rinpoche to request for activities of Protectors: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/others-old/request-of-activities-of-protectors-by-kyabje-ling-rinpoche/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/others-old/request-of-activities-of-protectors-by-kyabje-ling-rinpoche/)
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Lineageholder on January 04, 2014, 06:59:37 PM
Thanks for sharing Galen. It would seem that, apart from those who have remained steadfast to our great protector, the Gelugpa is officially dead. They have signed their own death warrant by following the false teachings of the Dalai Lama and have disowned their Lineage Gurus. They are even defaming them.

It is a great sadness that such politicking has taken root and I'm sure it's a lie that this book has been produced without the urging of the Dalai Lama.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Tenzin Malgyur on January 05, 2014, 05:37:58 AM
“The Dolgyal people are quite rough. They killed the Director of the Institute of Buddhist Dialectics by stabbing him and cutting his throat along with two other young scholars. They have threatened people in Mundgod and elsewhere. Because of this we need to be careful. -Part of Dalai Lama's speech when inaugurating book on Dhogyal.

Galen, thanks for sharing the article from the official website of the CTA. Looks like the people on HHDL's side wanted to show who was the rough one when five men attacked an 84 year old monk in Trijang Ladrang.
With the publishing of this book, it is very apparent that the CTA are going all out to convince the mass of their lies and non-truths regarding Dorje Shugden. Shoudn't their effort and funds be channeled towards the cause of uniting and creating a harmony Tibet? It is so obvious the Shugden issue is eating the CTA that a book have been published and launched on such an important event as The Lam Rim teachings days. Have they forgot the fact that the Lam Rim's teachings came from Pabongka Rinpoche, who is a Dorje Shugden practitioner?
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: dondrup on January 05, 2014, 11:25:08 AM
Sera Monastery simply could not realise the preciousness of Lamrim! They were willing to sacrifice a section of His Holiness Dalai Lama's tight teaching schedule to focus on the inauguration of the new book on Dorje Shugden and to disparage Dorje Shugden! I guess Sera Monastery had no choice as they are under the watchful eyes of the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA)!

Much harm would arise whenever HHDL talks negatively about Dorje Shugden. I pray that negative and inauspicious things do not arise for example the untoward incident that befell Gen Chonze! 

Thousands of people had attended this teaching which was broadcasted live with translations into other languages. The inauguration is perhaps another blessing in disguise! Thousands of people around the world had been introduced to Dorje Shugden! The world would really be interested to know why HHDL, CTA and their supporters would invest so much attention and effort to bring down Dorje Shugden which is simply an impossible task because Dorje Shugden is a Buddha!

May the truth prevails and Dorje Shugden's blessings pervade far and wide to overcome the darkness of ignorance!
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: vajratruth on January 05, 2014, 12:50:51 PM
If accusations against Dorje Shugde is true and there is in fact REAL and concrete scriptural evidence to support the claims, there would be no need to for the CTA or anyone to publish a book. It would be more than adequate to hold an open debate in the presence of all Gelug scholars, Geshes, lamas and monks. Do it like it has always been done - in the open and for all to see and judge.

The CTA has a Dolgyal Research Committee which is really nothing more than a propaganda machinery, hell-bent on distorting the truth to corrupt the minds of the Tibetan people. I cannot think of another modern government that has a department with similar functions.

This is not the first time such a book has been published and just like this new book, the previous book also accused Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen's mother of anti-Dharma acts. In October 1989, the CTA's Dolgyal Research Committee published "A Brief History Of Opposition To Shugden"which quoted the Fifth Dalai Lama as saying "…because of the meddling of Lag Agyal of Gekhasa (Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen's mother), the false reincarnation of Tulku Sonam Geleg Palzang (Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen) got his way and because of distorted prayers he became a perfidious interfering spirit and brought serious harm to sentient beings…"

Whether they authors of the book realise it or not, they are in fact saying that a single person, Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen's mother, duped the entire Gelugpa school INCLUDING the teacher of Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen who also happened to be the teacher of the Fifth Dalai Lama, the great Panchen Lobsang Chokyi Gyaltsen. Panchen Lobsang Chokyi was certainly no ordinary lama.

Panchen Lobsang Chokyi Gyaltsen was the teacher and mentor who trained and guided Lozang Gyatso who became known as the Great Fifth Dalai Lama. It was the Great Fifth who gave his teacher the monastery of Tashilhunpo and it was also the Great Fifth who accorded the title Panchen (short for Pandita chen mo, meaning Great Scholar) to his teacher. The Fifth Dalai Lama in his wisdom and clairvoyance not only recognized his teacher to be the incarnation of Buddha Amitabha but also to have hailed from the illustrious line of incarnations tracing back to Khedrup Je himself.

The significance of this line of incarnation cannot be understated for it was Khedrup Je who on five occasions met his master the great Je Tsongkhapa himself in mystical states, after Tsongkhapa passed into clear light. Panchen Lobsang Chokyi Gyaltsen wrote many important Buddhist texts as did his past incarnation as Khedrup Je. Amongst some of the key works by Khedrup Je was the text on the Kalachakra tantra, which is still being used by the present and 14th Dalai Lama as the basis for His Holiness’s empowerments into the Kalachakra practice.

The Great Fifth Dalai Lama’s veneration and devotion to his teacher was well known and when Panchen Lobsang Chokyi Gyaltsen passed into clear light, the Great Fifth himself composed a special prayer asking for his teacher and mentor to return, and further instructed all monks from the great monasteries to recite the special prayer. There is no doubt that the Fifth Dalai Lama had tremendous love and trust for his teacher.

Having established the undoubted greatness of Panchen Lobsang Chokyi Gyaltsen, it is significant to note that it was none other than this highly accomplished master who recognized his other heart student and contemporary of the Great Fifth Dalai Lama, Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen to be who he really was, i.e. Manjushri himself. The Panchen Lama Losang Chokyi Gyaltsen, the teacher of both Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen and the Fifth Dalai Lama, had written a prayer listing Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen’s previous incarnations as including Venerable Manjushri, Mahasiddha Birupa, Sakya Pandita Kunga Gyaltsen, Buton Rinchen Drub, Duldzin Dragpa Gyaltsen, Panchen Sonam Dragpa, Sonam Yeshe Wangpo and Sonam Geleg Pelsang.

Therefore if its true that Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen arose via the manipulations of his mother, it would mean that the Panchen Losang Chokyi Gyaltsen was fooled. In other words, the Fifth Dalai Lama learned from a teacher who had no clairvoyance and omniscience whatsoever. It would mean the the lineage of Dalai Lama are seriously flawed in what they learned from the time of the Fifth Dalai Lama.

Is that the case?


Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Matibhadra on January 05, 2014, 06:18:06 PM
This whole story only shows what was already so crystal clear, to wit, that the Dalai is just a psychotic character hell bent on smearing and destroying his perceived rival Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen in order to assert his absolute power within Gelugpas and Tibetan Buddhism -- not different from the psychotic jealous murderous monomaniac god of the Jews, hell bent on smearing and destroying the other gods in order to assert himself as the only god.

Therefore, the Dalai, while under human shape, would be better understood as an evil spirit, eager to usurp Buddhist tradition and replace it with a new religion (or rather a sickness), let's call it dalaism, a personality cult turning around himself as ”Chenrezig”.

This shows how fortunate are Tibetans within Tibet, not to be under the power of this psychotic character. If while in exile, with curtailed powers, he already incites so much hatred and violence among Tibetan community, then just imagine the bloody persecutions he would undertake as the theocrat with full powers within Tibet (plus the full support of Western war and hatred propaganda machine, also known as ”free press”, just like many other bloody dictators worldwide).

Therefore, Tibetans inside and outside Tibet would better wake up, see that the ”emperor” is naked, and to demote this ridiculous, but highly dangerous, entity to the place were he belongs, the garbage bin of history, where he will enjoy the company of his ilk, religious persecutors, devil makers and witch-hunters such as the ”great” inquisitor Torquemada in the West or king Langdarma in Tibet itself.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Q on January 05, 2014, 07:54:29 PM
Through the mischief and manipulation of Tulku Dragpa Gyeltsen's mother that the wrong Tulku was recognized??? I'm sorry, I can't believe this point. If it was true, then TDG's mother must be the mother of all Buddhas for being able to fool all the enlightened masters of that time. 

The more I look at the issue surrounding Dorje Shugden, the more similarities I see in the time of the 5th Dalai Lama... and that goes to say that everything that is happening is heavily dependent on political issues. Just like the time when TDG was in equal rank as the 5th Dalai Lama, and thus viewed as a threat... So does DS lamas such as Pabongka Rinpoche and Trijang Rinpoche are viewed with such high regards that they could well be a 'threat'...
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Rihanna on January 05, 2014, 10:52:25 PM
I hope this book will be translated into English or Mandarin soon so that I can read and know the crap that CTA wrote. Also then the whole world will be able to read the lies and how twisted CTA is. One thing is for sure: CTA do have guts to put down in writting and publish a book on lies. Unfortunately it is now only in Tibetan and not many people will be able to comment on it but I am sure once it is translated, this book will be the basis for many debates and untold truth. Does anyone know who are the authors? I wonder if they also write in the book that whoever doesn't tow the line will get beaten up as what they did to Gen Chonze of Trijang Ladrang????
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: vajratruth on January 05, 2014, 11:04:50 PM

The more I look at the issue surrounding Dorje Shugden, the more similarities I see in the time of the 5th Dalai Lama... and that goes to say that everything that is happening is heavily dependent on political issues. Just like the time when TDG was in equal rank as the 5th Dalai Lama, and thus viewed as a threat... So does DS lamas such as Pabongka Rinpoche and Trijang Rinpoche are viewed with such high regards that they could well be a 'threat'...

Dear Q,

Very good observation. There is no question that the present Dalai Lama views the present incarnation of Trijang Rinpoche as a real threat. Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen and Pabongka Rinpoche for certain rivalled and perhaps even surpassed the 5th and 13th Dalai Lama respectively as [spiritual] leaders of the Tibetan people and increasingly the same can be said about Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche and the 14th Dalai Lama. More and more we see the popularity of Trijang Rinpoche. I would say that the Dalai Lama is popular outside the Tibetan Community whilst inside, he is feared whilst Trijang Rinpoche is revered and loved.

When the present Dalai Lama said that he was following in the footsteps of the 5th Dalai Lama he was right on at least 4 counts:

(i) Both were politicians first and foremost;
(ii) Both went against the opinions and instructions of their Gurus - the 5th against the opinion of the Panchen Losang Choyi and the present against the illustrious Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang;
(iii) Both were known for mixing traditions;
(iv) Both recanted they view and stance on an enlightened being - Dorje Shugden. Both have tried to get rid of the Protector via the invocations of rituals, both failed to "exorcise" a Buddha and both wrote great praises to Dorje Shugden.




Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: diablo1974 on January 06, 2014, 09:27:27 AM
After so many years, the CTA is still going against religious freedom. They should be putting down the real demons rather than Dorje Shugden. Maybe they understand very well that Dorje shugden won't be hitting back on them because He is a Buddha. But its funny that they have published book to further 'brainwash' the new and old buddhist community. Hmm, i can say that they are 'panic' and they want to do something to feel more secure.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: eyesoftara on January 06, 2014, 09:33:01 AM
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He repeated the story of Dromtonpa’s passing away. Dromtonpa had laid his head in Potowa’s lap, when a tear fell on his cheek and he asked what the matter was. Potowa answered, “Who will I rely on when you’re gone?” and Dromtonpa told him to rely on scripture. His Holiness commended this as very appropriate advice.

Like what Dromtonpa advised to Geshe Potowa, with regards to "who" he should rely on after Dromtonpa passed away, Dromtonpa advised that Potowa should rely on the Scriptures ie  the Dharma. If we examine the Dharma from the optimum human rebirth, Guru Devotion, the law of cause and effect and lojong, it doesn't make sense the claims of His Holiness that the Protector is a spirit. All the arguments that has been presented  against the ban is valid and all the arguments against the Protector are just based on "history" which we all know can be manipulated.

Only the Dharma can be use to "judge" for ourselves if the protector is enlightened. If the Dalai Lama recognized the current incarnation of Trijang Rinpoche, then this incarnation is authentic and the previous Trijang did not go to the hells for propitiating a spirit and telling others to do the same. If the current incarnation is authentic then the protector is enlightened. Period! There are many such Dharma verification we can make for ourselves that the Protector is really enlightened.

Forget about books that are based on history and documents that cannot be verified. We can argue until the cows come home and we would not have any conclusion.

Who is the CTA trying to kid?
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: yontenjamyang on January 06, 2014, 10:18:27 AM
To be this is just "cognitive dissonance" ie to reinforce what the CTA and the non-Shugden monks thinks. It is to reinforce the false logic with false documents compile in a book. To lie about what is already a lie. It does not make any sense to Shugden practitioners. All it does is create more schism. The Dalai Lama, an enlightened being can do it. But are the monks in Sera all enlightened. Are the CTA?

This is another sign of the degeneration of the world at large. Even in the Sangha, it is not all holy. Sigh!

We cannot let politics rule over spirituality. We need to work harder to promote the protector.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Lineageholder on January 06, 2014, 01:46:34 PM
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When I was at Dromo, the medium of Dolgyal and Dulzin was there while the mediums of Nechung and Gadong were absent. As a follower of Phabongka Rinpoche’s tradition and a student of Trijang Rinpoche, I made a connection with Dolgyal.

Interesting language from the Dalai Lama, "as a follower of Phabongka Rinpoche's tradition...." So now he's trying to imply that Phabongka Rinpoche had his own tradition and wasn't in the Gelugpa mainstream? Every effort is being made to sideline and disown this great Teacher who was Heruka himself.

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In Tibet there are even stories that Tulku Dakpa Gyaltsen is an emanation of Je Rinpoche arisen as a haughty wrathful spirit. When he died, Je Rinpoche merged the mother and child clear light and attained the illusory body. Would such a being arise as a haughty wrathful spirit? The suggestion is just defamatory.”

That's precisely WHY Dorje Shugden is a Buddha! He and Je Rinpoche are in the same mental continuum. Also, is the Dalai Lama really ignorant of the sutras where it says that Buddhas can appear in any form, as men, women, deluded beings or even insane beings? Buddhas appear in any form to help the Dharma to flourish or to tame sentient beings. Even though Dorje Shugden is a Buddha he can appear in a mundane aspect if that benefits others.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: WisdomBeing on January 06, 2014, 02:03:24 PM

The more I look at the issue surrounding Dorje Shugden, the more similarities I see in the time of the 5th Dalai Lama... and that goes to say that everything that is happening is heavily dependent on political issues. Just like the time when TDG was in equal rank as the 5th Dalai Lama, and thus viewed as a threat... So does DS lamas such as Pabongka Rinpoche and Trijang Rinpoche are viewed with such high regards that they could well be a 'threat'...

Dear Q,

Very good observation. There is no question that the present Dalai Lama views the present incarnation of Trijang Rinpoche as a real threat. Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen and Pabongka Rinpoche for certain rivalled and perhaps even surpassed the 5th and 13th Dalai Lama respectively as [spiritual] leaders of the Tibetan people and increasingly the same can be said about Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche and the 14th Dalai Lama. More and more we see the popularity of Trijang Rinpoche. I would say that the Dalai Lama is popular outside the Tibetan Community whilst inside, he is feared whilst Trijang Rinpoche is revered and loved.

When the present Dalai Lama said that he was following in the footsteps of the 5th Dalai Lama he was right on at least 4 counts:

(i) Both were politicians first and foremost;
(ii) Both went against the opinions and instructions of their Gurus - the 5th against the opinion of the Panchen Losang Choyi and the present against the illustrious Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang;
(iii) Both were known for mixing traditions;
(iv) Both recanted they view and stance on an enlightened being - Dorje Shugden. Both have tried to get rid of the Protector via the invocations of rituals, both failed to "exorcise" a Buddha and both wrote great praises to Dorje Shugden.

i guess that is why politics and religion should never mix. And it is beyond obvious that the Dorje Shugden witch hunt is purely political and thus the antithesis of religion. Mainstream religion in all its forms espouses harmony, respect, loving compassion, and Buddhism especially focuses on pacifism and kindness. On the other hand, the Dorje Shugden ban openly encourages schism, hatred and violence.

With regard to your comparison of the Great Fifth and the 14th Dalai Lama, you omitted a future point (v) which is that both the Great 5th and Dalai Lama accepted again that Dorje Shugden is a Buddha!

OK, I like to dream :D
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Q on January 07, 2014, 05:53:00 PM
@Wisdom Being

Your explanation is very logical. It's true, that all religion promotes peace, harmony etc but turns sour when politics is involved. We have seen it in many religions in the past just like the crusaders, the talibans... and now... within Tibetan Buddhism. I would never have thoughts that Buddhism, such a peaceful religion would have so many hidden demons.

I like your final observation... yes, we all like the dream... but this dream will come true. It's just a matter of time =)
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Matibhadra on January 08, 2014, 03:49:09 AM
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Also, is the Dalai Lama really ignorant of the sutras where it says that Buddhas can appear in any form, as men, women, deluded beings or even insane beings?

Whatever is in the sutras, from respect to the guru onwards, the evil dalai will ignore, because whatever is Dharma is contradictory to his maniac paranoid greed for absolutistic power. This deluded, noxious individual thinks that he is Chenrezig and thus has the authority to recreate Dharma according to his convenience.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Matibhadra on January 08, 2014, 04:03:28 PM
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Mainstream religion in all its forms espouses harmony, respect, loving compassion,

Judaism and its branches (Judaism for non-Jews, or for export) such as Christanity and Islam, espouse forced conversion to their bloodthirsty, envious “god” Jehovah, and the utter destruction of other religions and their “false” gods.

The evil dalai, himself having his monthly allowances paid by a Jewish convicted criminal (George Soros), follows the same way, in his attempts to suppress religious freedom among Tibetans. He is also “mainstream”.

Beware of the “mainstream”.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: icy on January 09, 2014, 09:30:21 AM
Oh my Buddha!.... It is utterly naughty to say that Tulku Dragpa Gyeltsen's mother can fool all the Gelukpa's most eminent and illustrious masters like Pabongkha Rinpoche, Trijang Rinpoche and Panchen Lama in believing TDG is the right incarnation.  To be able to do this, she must be a Buddha herself.  Hence, the equation of this comes around to say that Tulku Dragpa Gyeltsen is indeed the correct pick after all and she cannot be wrong in the manipulation.  So it is absolutely true Tulku Dragpa Gyeltsen is the incarnation of Buddha Manjushri and cannot be refuted that Dorje Shugden is the Wisdom Buddha.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: pgdharma on January 10, 2014, 05:30:49 AM
I have not seen this book which is in Tibetan but I think this book will not have a great impact and the article will carry little weight. If the accusation that Dorje Shugden is a spirit and it is the truth than there is no need to go all the way to publish a book to justify the ban.

However on a brighter note, even though the Dalai Lama launched the book, he did not say that his followers are not allowed to practice as he mentioned that it is up to his followers to make their own choice after reading the book.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Matibhadra on January 10, 2014, 07:36:28 AM
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However on a brighter note, even though the Dalai Lama launched the book, he did not say that his followers are not allowed to practice as he mentioned that it is up to his followers to make their own choice after reading the book.

Actually the dalai's followers, as the name says, follow him, and hardly need any book to be convinced of the perverted views of their evil mullah.

Therefore, the book is meant just as a weapon to be used against his non-followers, the discriminating people who refuse to become fanatical witch-hunters.

And, when the dalai says “If you want to dispute what it says, that’s up to you. If, after studying the book, you want to oppose the Dalai Lama, that’s also up to you”, he is not giving any freedom to anyone; rather, he is stating very clearly that whoever insists on rejecting the dalai's psychotic witch-hunt opposes his authority -- which, in the theocratic Tibetan society, means that such a conscientious person is condemned to anything between ostracism and death, for oneself and for all of one's relatives.

Therefore, the dalai's perfidious statement is nothing short of a coercion, a brutal threat, an undisguised violence against human conscience. And, while such an atrocious behavior is compatible is the dalai's Islamic roots, it is utterly incompatible with the Buddha's teachings, which are all about freedom and non-violence.

Thus, ultimately, Buddhist Tibetans face the choice of either following the teachings of the Buddha, thus rejecting the monstrous dalai's personality cult, or following the perverse ideology of dalaism, thus abandoning the Buddha's Dharma.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Galen on January 12, 2014, 05:00:17 PM
“The Dolgyal people are quite rough. They killed the Director of the Institute of Buddhist Dialectics by stabbing him and cutting his throat along with two other young scholars. They have threatened people in Mundgod and elsewhere. Because of this we need to be careful. -Part of Dalai Lama's speech when inaugurating book on Dhogyal.

Galen, thanks for sharing the article from the official website of the CTA. Looks like the people on HHDL's side wanted to show who was the rough one when five men attacked an 84 year old monk in Trijang Ladrang.
With the publishing of this book, it is very apparent that the CTA are going all out to convince the mass of their lies and non-truths regarding Dorje Shugden. Shoudn't their effort and funds be channeled towards the cause of uniting and creating a harmony Tibet? It is so obvious the Shugden issue is eating the CTA that a book have been published and launched on such an important event as The Lam Rim teachings days. Have they forgot the fact that the Lam Rim's teachings came from Pabongka Rinpoche, who is a Dorje Shugden practitioner?

We could examine why the CTA is now getting aggressive and rough on this Dorje Shugden ban recently. Is it because the Dorje Shugden movement is getting stronger and stronger and the followers of the Dalai Lama is weaning down? We can see that this forum is very active and churning out a lot of articles that are based on facts to keep the world informed of what is happening out there.

The fact that right after the launch of the book by the Dalai Lama, the old monk in Trijang Ladrang in Shar Gaden was attacked! Isn't this too obvious??? They can try to convince the mass of their lies, but they could have done it in a peaceful manner. Just like what this website is doing, educating the mass based on facts and evidence.

Also, Trijang Rinpoche is now getting more active in giving teachings and initiations around the world, and this may have gotten the CTA scared.



Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: brian on January 12, 2014, 05:18:25 PM
A book published to justify the ban on a Buddha? Why is this being done? What is the real motive behind it? I am just wondering... and made HHDL inaugurate it? If it is really a genuine ban or people are believing into this, why make HHDL to perform this inauguration? To make it even more official? Seriously i find this funny, very funny. They published a book trying to convince people not to practice Dorje Shugden because they are afraid that no one else will be believing the ban.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: Matibhadra on January 12, 2014, 05:23:43 PM
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They can try to convince the mass of their lies, but they could have done it in a peaceful manner.

Lie is itself a violence, a violence against truth.

That's why Gandhi's satyagraha (persistence on truth) expresses his non-violent rebellion against the brutal Western colonialism.

Now, as opposed to Gandhi, the evil dalai follows the way of lie and every other kind of violence, in order to serve brutal Western colonialism.

How opposed are Gandhi (who never received the Nobel Peace Prize) and the evil dalai (who together with mass murderers such as Henry Kissinger did receive the Nobel Peace Prize)! 
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: WisdomBeing on January 14, 2014, 03:04:07 PM
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However on a brighter note, even though the Dalai Lama launched the book, he did not say that his followers are not allowed to practice as he mentioned that it is up to his followers to make their own choice after reading the book.

Actually the dalai's followers, as the name says, follow him, and hardly need any book to be convinced of the perverted views of their evil mullah.

Therefore, the book is meant just as a weapon to be used against his non-followers, the discriminating people who refuse to become fanatical witch-hunters.

And, when the dalai says “If you want to dispute what it says, that’s up to you. If, after studying the book, you want to oppose the Dalai Lama, that’s also up to you”, he is not giving any freedom to anyone; rather, he is stating very clearly that whoever insists on rejecting the dalai's psychotic witch-hunt opposes his authority -- which, in the theocratic Tibetan society, means that such a conscientious person is condemned to anything between ostracism and death, for oneself and for all of one's relatives.

Therefore, the dalai's perfidious statement is nothing short of a coercion, a brutal threat, an undisguised violence against human conscience. And, while such an atrocious behavior is compatible is the dalai's Islamic roots, it is utterly incompatible with the Buddha's teachings, which are all about freedom and non-violence.

Thus, ultimately, Buddhist Tibetans face the choice of either following the teachings of the Buddha, thus rejecting the monstrous dalai's personality cult, or following the perverse ideology of dalaism, thus abandoning the Buddha's Dharma.

Unfortunately the Dalai Lama has become such a personality icon, supported by the sycophantic western media  that nobody questions what he says. The lack of media interest in the ridiculous ban and subsequent oppression of Tibetans who are Dorje Shugden practitioners is concrete evidence of this. I don't know how people cannot see the huge contradiction between this person who talks about human rights and compassion and yet endorses a book which clearly encourages schism and oppression against fellow Buddhists who simply want to continue a practice given to them by their teachers.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: jeff Ryan on January 18, 2014, 09:37:04 AM
I remember seeing Dalai Lama on Larry King live on CNN several years ago. He shared the segment on the same stage seated next to Joel Olsteen, a Christian Minister. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking Joel but, putting Dalai Lama on same stage as an equal with Joel put Tibetan Buddhism in a bad light way back then. I'm never amazed at the idiocy of Dalai Lamas handlers, advisors and the man himself. I have zero interest in the guy! I could care less if he lifts a ban! He is a nobody except to the herd mentality he commands. He is pretty close to a political/religious TV pundit these days...... In other words.... Meaningless. We take care of our people, protect and propagate our lineage and don't waste time paying any heed to the old pundit and his minions. (Jeff then spits on floor in disgust).
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: icy on February 06, 2014, 10:08:13 PM
Distorting history leads to dissension.  This contradicts what the Dalai Lama is preaching in promoting world peace and non-violence. 

Dalai Lama, you are on a world stage and the spot light is shining on you brilliantly.  Whatever you do and whatever dissension you create will be noticed and become backlash.  It will become a stumbling block to your endeavours and the Tibetan cause.  Please stop distorting a true lineage!
Title: Re: Dalai Lama inaugurates a book on 'Dhogyal'
Post by: samayakeeper on February 16, 2014, 03:12:16 AM
If accusations against Dorje Shugde is true and there is in fact REAL and concrete scriptural evidence to support the claims, there would be no need to for the CTA or anyone to publish a book. It would be more than adequate to hold an open debate in the presence of all Gelug scholars, Geshes, lamas and monks. Do it like it has always been done - in the open and for all to see and judge.

The CTA has a Dolgyal Research Committee which is really nothing more than a propaganda machinery, hell-bent on distorting the truth to corrupt the minds of the Tibetan people. I cannot think of another modern government that has a department with similar functions.

This is not the first time such a book has been published and just like this new book, the previous book also accused Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen's mother of anti-Dharma acts. In October 1989, the CTA's Dolgyal Research Committee published "A Brief History Of Opposition To Shugden"which quoted the Fifth Dalai Lama as saying "…because of the meddling of Lag Agyal of Gekhasa (Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen's mother), the false reincarnation of Tulku Sonam Geleg Palzang (Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen) got his way and because of distorted prayers he became a perfidious interfering spirit and brought serious harm to sentient beings…"

Whether they authors of the book realise it or not, they are in fact saying that a single person, Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen's mother, duped the entire Gelugpa school INCLUDING the teacher of Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen who also happened to be the teacher of the Fifth Dalai Lama, the great Panchen Lobsang Chokyi Gyaltsen. Panchen Lobsang Chokyi was certainly no ordinary lama.

Panchen Lobsang Chokyi Gyaltsen was the teacher and mentor who trained and guided Lozang Gyatso who became known as the Great Fifth Dalai Lama. It was the Great Fifth who gave his teacher the monastery of Tashilhunpo and it was also the Great Fifth who accorded the title Panchen (short for Pandita chen mo, meaning Great Scholar) to his teacher. The Fifth Dalai Lama in his wisdom and clairvoyance not only recognized his teacher to be the incarnation of Buddha Amitabha but also to have hailed from the illustrious line of incarnations tracing back to Khedrup Je himself.

The significance of this line of incarnation cannot be understated for it was Khedrup Je who on five occasions met his master the great Je Tsongkhapa himself in mystical states, after Tsongkhapa passed into clear light. Panchen Lobsang Chokyi Gyaltsen wrote many important Buddhist texts as did his past incarnation as Khedrup Je. Amongst some of the key works by Khedrup Je was the text on the Kalachakra tantra, which is still being used by the present and 14th Dalai Lama as the basis for His Holiness’s empowerments into the Kalachakra practice.

The Great Fifth Dalai Lama’s veneration and devotion to his teacher was well known and when Panchen Lobsang Chokyi Gyaltsen passed into clear light, the Great Fifth himself composed a special prayer asking for his teacher and mentor to return, and further instructed all monks from the great monasteries to recite the special prayer. There is no doubt that the Fifth Dalai Lama had tremendous love and trust for his teacher.

Having established the undoubted greatness of Panchen Lobsang Chokyi Gyaltsen, it is significant to note that it was none other than this highly accomplished master who recognized his other heart student and contemporary of the Great Fifth Dalai Lama, Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen to be who he really was, i.e. Manjushri himself. The Panchen Lama Losang Chokyi Gyaltsen, the teacher of both Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen and the Fifth Dalai Lama, had written a prayer listing Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen’s previous incarnations as including Venerable Manjushri, Mahasiddha Birupa, Sakya Pandita Kunga Gyaltsen, Buton Rinchen Drub, Duldzin Dragpa Gyaltsen, Panchen Sonam Dragpa, Sonam Yeshe Wangpo and Sonam Geleg Pelsang.

Therefore if its true that Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen arose my the manipulations of his mother, it would mean that the Panchen Losang Chokyi Gyaltsen was fooled. In other words, the Fifth Dalai Lama learned from a teacher who had no clairvoyance and omniscience whatsoever. It would mean the the lineage of Dalai Lama are seriously flawed in what they learned from the time of the Fifth Dalai Lama.

Is that the case?


It would also mean that Panchen Losang Chokyi Gyaltsen wrongly recognized and wrongly tutored the Fifth Dalai Lama. If Panchen Losang Chokyi Gyaltsen was wrong of Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen, then he would had been wrong of the Fifth Dalai Lama. No?


This is not the first time such a book has been published and just like this new book, the previous book also accused Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen's mother of anti-Dharma acts. In October 1989, the CTA's Dolgyal Research Committee published "A Brief History Of Opposition To Shugden"which quoted the Fifth Dalai Lama as saying "…because of the meddling of Lag Agyal of Gekhasa (Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen's mother), the false reincarnation of Tulku Sonam Geleg Palzang (Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen) got his way and because of distorted prayers he became a perfidious interfering spirit and brought serious harm to sentient beings…"