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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: emptymountains on March 28, 2009, 11:38:34 PM
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Don't miss this: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/kopan.htm (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/kopan.htm) ;D
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Lama Yeshe definitely was very devoted to Dorje Shugden. His current incarnation Lama Osel, has disrobed, left Sera and staying in Ibizia, Spain with his girlfreind. Lama Osel's brother also left Sera.
Lama Osel is definitely attained just as his predecessor Lama Yeshe, but he is unable to manifest his dharma work at this time. I feel if FPMT would allow Lama Osel to start up his practices as in his previous lives, then he will be able to manifest again. It would be like water on a dry seed and it starts to germinate. All that Lama Yeshe did in his previous lives cannot just disappear. His attainments cannot disappear, so hence, it takes something to trigger this off in the current incarnation of Lama Osel.
Whatever Lama Osel does, I feel it is a teaching to FPMT whose many centres around the world have chosen to forget their lineage lama's practices. Since Lama Yeshe practiced Dorje Shugden, so should his disciples as hundreds of them did in the past. They should continue his lineage and practice irregardless of what HH the Dalai Lama says. HH has his own reasons for what he is doing. So by practicing Dorje Shugden it doesn't show disrespect to HHDL. Because by stopping this practice, FPMT show great disrespect to Lama Yeshe and all that he stood for.
This statue of Dorje Shugden is a testimony to Lama Yeshe's great devotions to Dorje Shugden throughout his life. Lama Yeshe was such a kind, humane and skillful teacher. He is the embodiment of the deity Dorje Shugden that he trusted so much till the end. You are what you pray to. It is wonderful to see this holy picture of Lama Yeshe's personal Dharma Protector. I thank this website for posting it. I will download and print out and keep. :) :) :) :)
I hope so much Lama Osel will manifest his enlightened actions quickly. We hear nothing of him in any of the FPMT websites anymore. :( It is as if he doesn't exist anymore. I don't think that is correct. He is the incarnate founder of FPMT worldwide.
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I found this update about Lama Osel, it dates back from July 2011:
from:
http://www.mandalamagazine.org/2011/lama-osel-at-kopan/ (http://www.mandalamagazine.org/2011/lama-osel-at-kopan/)
Kopan Monastery, Nepal — July 17, 2011
From Ven. Roger:
Osel arrived at Kopan on Monday morning to see Lama Lhundrup and stayed one week. It had been 12 years since Osel was last at Kopan. Osel recognized a lot of the older monks immediately and there was a really good connection. It didn’t seem to matter in the least that he was now a lay person and dressed cool!
Osel is on the floor, flat on his back beside my desk, thinking about Rinpoche’s request to give a talk to all the Kopan monks and wearing a chuba (Rinpoche had one made for him). He says he doesn’t like to be pushed or pressured into doing things but it seems he is in the process of coming to terms with Rinpoche’s request although it appears hard. In the end he does give the talk. All the monks are present as well as Lama Lhundrup (a huge effort to come to this, his cancer is quite advanced) and Rinpoche. Rinpoche gave a short talk first, and then asked Osel to speak. Osel gave the talk in Tibetan (very good Tibetan). He gave “modern” advice and the monks gave a very warm response. They seem to want more! Osel said he was more than happy with his visit to Kopan. It was, “More than perfect,” he said!
Osel had discussions with Rinpoche about Essential Education (formerly Universal Education). He is quite involved, very interested and will be making a video of the upcoming Essential Education event in France. Rinpoche wanted the name changed to Essential Wisdom, Osel wanted “education” in the name. Lots of discussion. The next day Osel said, “How about Universal Wisdom Education and we can call it, ‘U WE.’ ‘U’ and ‘WE,’ get it!?” Alison Murdoch, director of Essential Education, was very happy with the news.
It was an inspiring visit and made a lot of people happy.
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Thank you Hope Rainbow for the update. It is good to hear that Lama Osel went back to Kopan and he is still in touch with his monks. He is one way or another still spreading Buddhism but in a modern way. We may not see him like his glorious predecessor, Lama Yeshe, but his way attracts a different kind of crowd. Maybe this is his path this life. I am not in a position to judge, but I take this is good news.
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I found 3 pictures of that event on Osel Hita's facebook page.
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That is really wonderful to see that despite what has happened, Lama Osel is indeed the correct reincarnation unlike what most people who are disheartened by his current manifestation would like to believe. Maybe this is the start of a new trend for the current generation of tulkus: to use pop culture to attract and draw in people that would normally not be attracted to the Dharma to Buddhism.
Neverthenless, Lama Osel would benefit more people if he manifested as a lama back in FPMT and continue the Maitreya project and make it a reality. However, as mountains has pointed out, that wont happen unless FPMT goes back to supporting Lama Yeshe's practice.
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Lama Yeshe definitely was very devoted to Dorje Shugden. His current incarnation Lama Osel, has disrobed, left Sera and staying in Ibizia, Spain with his girlfreind. Lama Osel's brother also left Sera.
Lama Osel is definitely attained just as his predecessor Lama Yeshe, but he is unable to manifest his dharma work at this time. I feel if FPMT would allow Lama Osel to start up his practices as in his previous lives, then he will be able to manifest again. It would be like water on a dry seed and it starts to germinate. All that Lama Yeshe did in his previous lives cannot just disappear. His attainments cannot disappear, so hence, it takes something to trigger this off in the current incarnation of Lama Osel.
Whatever Lama Osel does, I feel it is a teaching to FPMT whose many centres around the world have chosen to forget their lineage lama's practices. Since Lama Yeshe practiced Dorje Shugden, so should his disciples as hundreds of them did in the past. They should continue his lineage and practice irregardless of what HH the Dalai Lama says. HH has his own reasons for what he is doing. So by practicing Dorje Shugden it doesn't show disrespect to HHDL. Because by stopping this practice, FPMT show great disrespect to Lama Yeshe and all that he stood for.
This statue of Dorje Shugden is a testimony to Lama Yeshe's great devotions to Dorje Shugden throughout his life. Lama Yeshe was such a kind, humane and skillful teacher. He is the embodiment of the deity Dorje Shugden that he trusted so much till the end. You are what you pray to. It is wonderful to see this holy picture of Lama Yeshe's personal Dharma Protector. I thank this website for posting it. I will download and print out and keep. :) :) :) :)
I hope so much Lama Osel will manifest his enlightened actions quickly. We hear nothing of him in any of the FPMT websites anymore. :( It is as if he doesn't exist anymore. I don't think that is correct. He is the incarnate founder of FPMT worldwide.
This is indeed very sad and I am sure many of his previous lives' students must be sorely disturbed and deeply saddened by this turn of events. The world needs more Dharma teachers especially one that is as charismatic and as skillful as Lama Yeshe. I believe Lama Osel has that potential to become as great or perhaps even greater because he is one of the few Tulkus who have chosen to take rebirth in the West.
I rejoice that he has begun his teaching career once more and I believe he would do much more. I also believe in what mountains have said and because of that, I believe he would do even much more once the ban has been lifted or once FPMT does something drastic like continuing the practice. However, it would take special courage for these students. So, it takes courage to make a difference and what a difference it would make if Lama Osel really turns around to become a great teacher like his predecessor.
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I can't help but compare the current Trijang Dorje Chang, who despite all difficulties and adversities chose to upkeep his relationship with Dorje Shugden, yes he has given back his monk vows and taken on a consort but his dharma activity is growing by the day.
Then we have the current incarnation of Lama Yeshe, who is supposed to helm the current FPMT and also increase the dharma activities and the organisation but due to incorrect advise perhaps. So Is Lama Osel doing what he was doing in his previous life which is become a great master and teacher of the dharma that is not very obvious in my observation.
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I can't help but compare the current Trijang Dorje Chang, who despite all difficulties and adversities chose to upkeep his relationship with Dorje Shugden, yes he has given back his monk vows and taken on a consort but his dharma activity is growing by the day.
Then we have the current incarnation of Lama Yeshe, who is supposed to helm the current FPMT and also increase the dharma activities and the organisation but due to incorrect advise perhaps. So Is Lama Osel doing what he was doing in his previous life which is become a great master and teacher of the dharma that is not very obvious in my observation.
Whatever Lama Osel is doing now is also impermanent, the fact that he went to visit Kopan Monastery in June last year was clearly a good sign, on top of that, he re-established good connections with the monks in Kopan and gave a short teachings to the Kopan monks there. All this is truely good.
Of course, this is nothing compared to what he could have been doing in FPMT. If only his students in FPMT stop mixing politics in religion and follow what has been practised by Lama Osel and his previous incarnate Lama Yeshe, let the founder continue his Dorje Shugden's practice and lineage, then Lama Osel can resume the activities like his previous incarnate, by being a great Dharma teacher and resume his teaching role.
How beneficial that can be!!!
May the ban be lifted soon, May the name of Dorje Shugden be cleared, and May all high lamas be able to carry on what they are supposed to do in their incarnations.
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Yes, maybe the very reason Lama Osel is not doing what he is suppose to be doing and be the great teacher he was in his previous life is simply because FPMT does not allow him to practice Dorje Shugden. This may be the very reason he disrobed. FPMT could change the situation maybe by changing their views on Dorje Shugden and start to be the force for the ban to be lifted. Yes, it would make the CTA very unhappy but it is for the bigger picture. After all, religion and politics should not mix.
And do you think the current head of FPMT, Lama Zopa, does not practice Dorje Shugden? Since Lama Zopa got his Dorje Shugden initiation from Trijang Rinpoche and also he recently was found doing prayers at Trijang Rinpoche's stupa.
All it takes is for Lama Zopa to uphold the teachings he received from Trijang Rinpoche and this may change the course of Lama Osel's life in the monastery.
Easier said than done, but worth a try.
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I can't help but compare the current Trijang Dorje Chang, who despite all difficulties and adversities chose to upkeep his relationship with Dorje Shugden, yes he has given back his monk vows and taken on a consort but his dharma activity is growing by the day.
Then we have the current incarnation of Lama Yeshe, who is supposed to helm the current FPMT and also increase the dharma activities and the organisation but due to incorrect advise perhaps. So Is Lama Osel doing what he was doing in his previous life which is become a great master and teacher of the dharma that is not very obvious in my observation.
Yes Dharmadefender, it is in the blood and spirit of all Gaden lamas, monks and laymen under the tutelage and blessings of the previous Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang that these lamas, monks and laymen will have very close bond with Je Tsongkhapa's teachings and uttermost respect for Dorje Shugden.
We have heard many stories of how monks upkeep their daily commitments to their Guru (Trijang Rinpoche) and Dorje Shugden despite what the CTA has imposed on them. It is not only heart warming but also encouraging to see the maximum effect of the monks' guru devotion and their faith towards the sacred protector.
When I read Osel's story, this confirmed in me that the blessings of our guru are so great that if we are in a new body, we will still find ourselves coming back to our previous spiritual path regardless of our new color, race or orientation. Such is the power of the Buddha Dharma. So much so in the grand golden lineage of Je Tsongkhapa!
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It is good to hear that Lama Osel visited Kopan Monastery in June last year and he gave a talk to the monks there. He may have given up his monks vows, but he is still spreading the dharma in his own way, the "modern way" which received very warm response. The visit is very inspiring and gave hope to a lot of people.
Despite all the difficulties and adversities, Lama Osel has not given up what he is supposed to do. However, I believe that he will do even more and continue what he was doing like his previous life when the ban is lifted.
May the ban be lifted soon so that great Masters like Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche and Lama Osel can carry out what they are supposed to do in this present incarnation.
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Thanks triesa for alerting that he visited Kopan Monastery and gave some short teachings that is very interesting. I really do hope no matter what Lama Osel will do the dharma strongly, the world loses spiritual masters all the time as we are in the degenerate age, some masters just stay in the pure lands as the beings able to practise and master the teachings are getting much less in this age.
I do believe the current Lama Osel is the unmistaken incarnation of Lama Yeshe it would be truly a great waste if he does not manifest his great dharma potential.
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Lama Osel is indeed Lama Yeshe, but he cannot manifest it properly due to the behavior of his students who has create the causes to push their lama away. How can people go "I love and support our lama, i want him to come back and teach us" on one side and then destroy his work, his practice and make a mockery of his teachings and center by deriding his main protector practice just because HHDL said so?
If we're supposed to see our Guru as the Buddha, why do we let another Buddha override our Buddha's instructions? That is illogical and funny at the same time. How to get attainments from HYT? How to even get attainments from the core teachings if we easily let the focus to our Lama be distracted and removed? I guess that is why we don't see anyone from FPMT become acclaimed teachers.
But of course, Osel will just find other ways to spread the Dharma if FPMT does not want him. I heard he is currently working together with Gomo Tulku to create films and music that have hidden Dharma messages in them. This is just like what Chongyam Trungpa did. There seems to be a trend nowadays where younger tulkus tend to be more engaged in today's hedonistic culture. Osel may not be able to manifest in a traditional form, but he will somehow find his way.
But the sad part of it all is that FPMT did not lend their support to Osel at all as if he was nobody. But problem is they are to blame for this in the first place and they should clean up their act before things get worse. Its not just for Osel's sake but also for FMPT centers around the world if they do not wish to become just a empty gathering places for people with no Dharma inside.
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Beautiful pictures of Osel!
I do hope FPMT realises the heavy repercussion they face for discarding their root guru's (Lama Yeshe's) statue... even if you don't think the statue is holy but they are holy relics inside them...
I also do hope from the string of unfortunate events happening to FPMT esp on Lama Zopa's health will hopefully wake the students around the world to stop the discrimination of other Lamas, centres and people practising Dorje Shugden. If really DS was bad and a demon the why go to Phelgye Ling Monastery to request them to do Dorje Shugden puja for Lama Zopa's health? Sad for their broken samaya... http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1823.0 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1823.0)
I am definitely sure that even though Osel may not return to Kopan/FPMT he will find other ways to benefit the world. These highly attained Lamas are Boddhisattvas and they will continue to benefit others in many different and skillful way... perhaps it is better this way... now Osel reaches out to a whole new different market and people that would otherwise not ever go to a typical monastery/Buddhism. I see it positively!
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Wow, thanks for the update on Lama Osel.
Sad for FPMT!
The great reincarnated Tulku is back but they just don’t have merit to receive and worst still have no faith with the lineage.
However Lama Osel did mentioned that he is trying to find a different way for this future generation through music, movies and audio-visual techniques. I think Lama Osel will find an unconventional way yet receptive by the people. This is how a mahasiddha work at this new era I guess.
Looking back at the Lord Shugden statue at Kopan Monastery shows the devotion of Lama Yeshe. The unbroken lineage of the protector practice from the great masters.
We have read or even know quite a lot of the great master that been continue practicing Lord Shugden even during ban and it just show what devotion and faith all about. The success of our spiritual path isn’t that to follow the teaching of our Guru faithfully as he is the one that bringing us to the path of enlightenment?
Just hope that Lama Osel will have more great news of his
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Thanks for the updates on Lama Osel.
Though Lama Osel is in lay clothes, i have a strong feeling that He is spreading dharma and benefiting sentient beings in the 'modern way',
Too bad that FPMT jumped on the anti shugden bandwagon and created causes for Lama Osel to 'stay away' from them. They could have benefited much more with the return of their Teacher. Sad that their members are not able to have the blessing of their Teacher and receive dharma teaching from Him. It's so rare that we can meet with a highly attained Teacher in this degenerate time.
Hope they'll wake up soon and do the 'right' thing.
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I am sorry to say this that as long as the students of FPMT not bucking up and do what was advised to work harmoniously, to focus on good qualities and not finding faults on others and to do their projects well wholeheartedly, Lama Osel will still be disrobed and not be back to take the helm of FPMT to greater heights. Why create all these in the first place and not trusting their Guru's advice and Dorje Shugden? Again, wouldn't it be better that many students and people would have benefited much more and exponentially should they have not created such causes?
In addition, this has also created the causes for Lama Zopa's health worsen and has recently seeked for DS help! Why go to DS when they themselves is against it let alone giving away Lama Yeshe's holy DS statue?
Well in anyways, Lama Osel may have his own reasons and skillful means to reach out to the people. I do hope that FPMT student fully understand the results of their actions and repair their samaya and that the ban be lifted fast!
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It is so sad to know that the reincarnation of high lama, Lama Yeshe come back but he could not manifest as he suppose to be because of his students.
Don't FPMT people think and feel anything about this? Why have the institution if not for the lama to reincarnation back to continue the teaching again? or it just a name and fame? The high lama is back now and it is how the students should treat the teacher? I wonder, is it been said in the 50th stanzas of Guru devotion?
Even H.H.Dalai Lama said that only my guru, Gyabje Trijang Rinpoche can practice Dorje Shugden but other not allow. I hope FPMT realize what they had done wrong and do something about it before it way too too late.
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Thanks for the updates on Lama Osel.
Though Lama Osel is in lay clothes, i have a strong feeling that He is spreading dharma and benefiting sentient beings in the 'modern way',
Too bad that FPMT jumped on the anti shugden bandwagon and created causes for Lama Osel to 'stay away' from them. They could have benefited much more with the return of their Teacher. Sad that their members are not able to have the blessing of their Teacher and receive dharma teaching from Him. It's so rare that we can meet with a highly attained Teacher in this degenerate time.
Hope they'll wake up soon and do the 'right' thing.
As long as the FPMT people behave and act in a way where they only want to be the 'proper' Dharma center that is on the Dalai Lama's side, Lama Osel will not manifest as a Lama. He might do other things or act in other ways to spread the Dharma, but definitely not as a Lama until the FPMT people change their behavior. But I guess it's allright because the FPMT people themselves also couldnt care less whether or not Lama Osel manifests as a traditional lama..
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Ensapa I don't know if Osel Hita will be better as a Lama or as who he is now... a film maker reaching out to a lot more people who would otherwise not cross path with spirituality/Buddhist dharma. But as you have said yourself in another thread and as we can see, Lamas who incarnates back will always benefit others in one way or another.... I think how creative they are is their ways of manifesting what is probably required at this point of time. Perhaps Osel Hota choose this direction for a reason, it could be or it could not be because of the Dorje Shugden ban issue but what ever the case is... it looks like he will be getting himself involve more and more with fpmt. I am sure He will also teach even though in lay clother :)
From Osel to the FPMT Family
(Taken from [url]http://www.fpmt.org/projects/fpmt/osel/osf-news/1092-from-osel-to-the-fpmt-family.html[/url] ([url]http://www.fpmt.org/projects/fpmt/osel/osf-news/1092-from-osel-to-the-fpmt-family.html[/url]))
Osel with Lama Zopa Rinpoche. Photo by Ven. Roger Kunsang at Kachoe Dechen Ling, CA, September 2012.
November 2012
Dear Family,
First of all I would like to say hello to everybody working so hard every day for the benefit of sentient beings through the organization of FPMT. I understand that many of you have extra jobs in order to maintain your family and basic needs in life. Also many of you work as volunteers part time, apart from all the other work you have to cope with. It is very hard, and inspiring. I truly admire every one and each of you for all the effort, dedication and consistency that keeps the organization going.
Around a month ago, I attended an FPMT board meeting in California. This is the fourth Board meeting I have attended in the last three or four years. Each time of participation, I gain a deeper insight and understanding of the incredible scope of activity that FPMT is undertaking around the world every day.
In the last few days I have had the privilege to attend the highly professional and inspiring FDCW (Foundation for the Development of Compassion and Wisdom) meeting in Kuala Lumpur. FDCW’s mission is to help children, youth and adults of all cultures and traditions to develop their innate capacity to be kind and wise, and contribute to peace in the world.
As I learn more about FPMT from these perspectives, my respect, and profound appreciation for Lama Zopa Rinpoche and the whole community grows exponentially.
What has taken place since Lama Yeshe's passing in 1984 in my view is completely miraculous and inspiring.
I have nothing but the greatest admiration and gratitude for everyone that has taken part in this wonderful and positive development.
It will take me some time to really grasp everything that Rinpoche accomplishes with the tireless support of Venerable Roger who works to handle all the tasks 24/7/365 days a year every year supported by Venerable Holly, and the amazing International Office staff.
Most people cannot possibly realize the myriad activities IOF undertakes in support of Lama Zopa Rinpoche. IOF develops multi language education programs, practices, and prayers, translates sutras, trains translators, finds Geshes and western teachers, and develops policies and guidelines based on 40 years of experience. IOF helps Rinpoche guide international projects, like the Amdo Eye Hospital in Tibet, the building of statues and stupas. IOF manages Sera Je Food Fund, supports young tulkus, and the expenses of 650 monks for the annual Gelug Exams. IOF manages the Lama Tsongkhapa Teacher Fund assisting 110 main teachers, and providing allowances for Abbots and ex Abbots. IOF publishes Mandala magazine and newsletter updates on FPMT global activities.
The list goes on and on and the above is just a small taste of the way IOF closely follows Rinpoche and supports Rinpoche’s every wish as much as possible.
My admiration for, and thanks to them have no bounds.
Similarly I thank most deeply and sincerely all the directors, the board and committee members, the volunteers, and everyone who helps past, present, and future, in all the centers and projects - activities as diverse as teaching and organizing teachings, leading retreats, providing hospice care, preparing educational materials, archiving, providing
monastic education, secular universal education, publishing, translation, media and communications, and the solid governance, finance, and administration that such a global scale demands.
I have already been able to visit many centers and recently was able to participate in the European Regional FPMT meeting. My intention is to keep on doing so. I hope to spend as much time as possible with Lama Zopa Rinpoche and Venerable Roger, as well as deepening my traditional philosophical studies, and learning more about media communications and finance.
Whilst the positive aspect of what has been achieved in 30 years is overwhelming, there are some areas that I find concerning. I have mentioned before the importance of recognizing, appreciating, and showing respect and concern for everyone who has made today’s success possible. Again I would like to stress that in my view every center and project should clearly display the names of everyone who has carried the load in some way whether it be as a director, manager, cook, gardener, or some other position, a donor, or volunteer. These people are the real Foundation and truly the “F” in FPMT.
While our goal is to benefit as many living beings as possible, and while the scope of that is so vast, we must not allow that to blind us to our immediate responsibility of showing appreciation, kindness, and concern for each other and each other’s welfare within our own community. Unfortunately sometimes our rapid growth has caused a number of situations where we haven't measured up in this respect.
It is my intention to make sure that in the next phase of FPMTs growth we focus on looking after each other. Some of our teachers and students who pioneered the early days of our development are now in their 60s and 70s. While one of our priorities is education for the youth of our world today, as our organization matures, we also have to take care of those who have contributed so much and who are now reaching the stage where they require care and consideration.
For a long time I have also been concerned that so far the organization has relied almost exclusively on donations. The generosity that has been responsible for where we are today is mind blowing and beyond words. Without it FPMT would not be what it is today. However I feel strongly that for the long-term ever expanding development that must take place, we have to think strategically about also generating additional sources of income through business and other commercial activity. This can also provide jobs and employment opportunities so people can earn a living and still have time for practice and study.
I believe it is possible to develop a business model on a positive and moral basis that ensures that business to benefit all parties - owners, management, staff, customers, and the wider community.
I have been spending a lot of time thinking about how to do this and I am trying in my way to explore a number of possibilities along these lines. Like creating Eco lodges where there is available very healthy vegetarian food, Eco friendly and organic grown vegetables, yoga and non-religious courses and meditation, for people outside our community, as a window of introduction to Buddhism. It is essential to have a healthy body in order to fully practice dharma. So we would make that opportunity available, and in exchange have a solid income to support the centers. It is now becoming very fashionable today, to eat healthy organic foods, spend time in nature, and exploring inside oneself through yoga and meditation.
When we are involved day-to-day work with all the difficulties and challenges we face, it is hard to step back and see the big picture and take pride in what we have achieved together. Attending Board meetings and the European Regional meeting has given me the luxury of beginning to see what an incredible job Lama Zopa Rinpoche has done. This in turn is based on the perfect inspiration His Holiness the Dalai Lama provides everybody, which helps us to learn about the true nature in each and every one of us.
The lineage from which we draw our understanding and inspiration is unsurpassable. The real scope of Mahayana in the widest sense is so vast and really can bring such benefit that the potential is almost incomprehensible. That gives us an equally huge responsibility to execute this task to the absolute best of our ability.
Within our FPMT community there is a vast pool of talent and skills that is equal to this task. We have to find better ways to draw more on the expertise that is available, to focus it where it can do the greatest good.
We have to approach this task practically continuously, untiringly and yet from time to time we must pause to measure the way in which we act to ensure that we don't leave anyone behind.
I really look forward to meeting everyone as my travels allow, and I am really looking forward to the next Board meeting and another chance to learn and hopefully in a small way input into the plans for the next 30 years of our development.
Sorry if this became long - my main point is to thank everybody so much from the bottom of my heart.
Thank you so very much everyone!!
Take care, and keep up the good work!!
Big love
Osel
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Ensapa I don't know if Osel Hita will be better as a Lama or as who he is now... a film maker reaching out to a lot more people who would otherwise not cross path with spirituality/Buddhist dharma. But as you have said yourself in another thread and as we can see, Lamas who incarnates back will always benefit others in one way or another.... I think how creative they are is their ways of manifesting what is probably required at this point of time. Perhaps Osel Hota choose this direction for a reason, it could be or it could not be because of the Dorje Shugden ban issue but what ever the case is... it looks like he will be getting himself involve more and more with fpmt. I am sure He will also teach even though in lay clother :)
Of course being a Lama is infinitely more meritorious than a film maker! The Lama teaches the Dharma and that can potentially change our lives and future lives which a movie cannot do. However, through the medium of films, one can reach a much wider audience but the Dharma that can be conveyed by a Lama is vastly different. However, one can still be a Lama and be a filmmaker on the side.
I think the most famous lama- filmmaker is someone like Dzongar Khyente Rinpoche. So, I don't think Lama Osel needs to be defined by just being a film-maker or a Lama per se. I think he should return to his role as a Lama and use films as means to deliver the Dharma to others. In the past, the Great Lamas and masters use art and poetry to deliver the Dharma to others but today, a Lama could use the medium of films to deliver the Dharma. The Lama also does not need to restrict himself to the methods in which one can convey the Dharma.
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I can't help but compare the current Trijang Dorje Chang, who despite all difficulties and adversities chose to upkeep his relationship with Dorje Shugden, yes he has given back his monk vows and taken on a consort but his dharma activity is growing by the day.
Then we have the current incarnation of Lama Yeshe, who is supposed to helm the current FPMT and also increase the dharma activities and the organisation but due to incorrect advise perhaps. So Is Lama Osel doing what he was doing in his previous life which is become a great master and teacher of the dharma that is not very obvious in my observation.
There is a similarity between the current reincarnations of Trijang Rinpoche and Lama Yeshe who were both very devout towards Dorje Shugden in their previous lives. Both have taken the unorthodox approach of disrobing and leaving their respective monasteries citing different reasons. But when we look at what events that transpired during their absence, it is clear that they made the correct decision to remove themselves from the scene when they did.
Lama Osel absence from FPMT spared him from having to be part of the decision making process to denounce Dorje Shugden. And so when Lama Osel does return to teach the Dharma or even lead FPMT as recent developments indicate that he might (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=2815.msg37590#msg37590 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=2815.msg37590#msg37590) )he won't have the awkward task of having to recant his position. Lama Osel has never taken a stance on the Dorje Shugden issue and it would not surprise me if he has been keeping up with his practice.
Imagine if Osel had been an active part of FPMT when the Dalai Lama’s politics infiltrated FPMT, which then made the decision to stop the practice of its founding lama. Lama Osel would have had to choose between going against the Dalai Lama and Lama Zopa or turn against his own Protector which, when he takes it up again after the ban, would make him look like a lama with no deep convictions towards his beliefs.
FPMT tried several times to lure Lama Osel back to FPMT including suggesting the creation of a film making unit within FPMT to be headed by Lama Osel but perhaps he was guided by Dorje Shugden to stay away until now.
Lama Osel’s re-emergence onto to the scene also coincides with Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche’s return to the public eye. Is that merely a coincidence or perhaps something more?
As to what Osel will do, I am encouraged by the fact that he is undoubtedly the continuation of the mind stream of the erudite Lama Yeshe (Lama Yeshe was also highly unconventional and was given the nickname the “Hippie Lama” by his students) whose root guru was Trijang Rinpoche and enlightened minds such as these do not just disappear into oblivion, but remain to use their lives to serve sentient beings.
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There is a similarity between the current reincarnations of Trijang Rinpoche and Lama Yeshe who were both very devout towards Dorje Shugden in their previous lives. Both have taken the unorthodox approach of disrobing and leaving their respective monasteries citing different reasons. But when we look at what events that transpired during their absence, it is clear that they made the correct decision to remove themselves from the scene when they did.
Lama Osel absence from FPMT spared him from having to be part of the decision making process to denounce Dorje Shugden. And so when Lama Osel does return to teach the Dharma or even lead FPMT as recent developments indicate that he might ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=2815.msg37590#msg37590[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=2815.msg37590#msg37590[/url]) )he won't have the awkward task of having to recant his position. Lama Osel has never taken a stance on the Dorje Shugden issue and it would not surprise me if he has been keeping up with his practice.
Imagine if Osel had been an active part of FPMT when the Dalai Lama’s politics infiltrated FPMT, which then made the decision to stop the practice of its founding lama. Lama Osel would have had to choose between going against the Dalai Lama and Lama Zopa or turn against his own Protector which, when he takes it up again after the ban, would make him look like a lama with no deep convictions towards his beliefs.
FPMT tried several times to lure Lama Osel back to FPMT including suggesting the creation of a film making unit within FPMT to be headed by Lama Osel but perhaps he was guided by Dorje Shugden to stay away until now.
Lama Osel’s re-emergence onto to the scene also coincides with Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche’s return to the public eye. Is that merely a coincidence or perhaps something more?
As to what Osel will do, I am encouraged by the fact that he is undoubtedly the continuation of the mind stream of the erudite Lama Yeshe (Lama Yeshe was also highly unconventional and was given the nickname the “Hippie Lama” by his students) whose root guru was Trijang Rinpoche and enlightened minds such as these do not just disappear into oblivion, but remain to use their lives to serve sentient beings.
Good observation. Definitely not a coincident that both great Lamas opt to disrobe just around or before the time when the campaign of Dorje Shugden Ban went in to full force. Their decision actually allowed them their FREEDOM to practice with no strings attached and no monastic rules to answer too. They are after all highly attained masters and would have seen it coming and it would not be surprised to me that they did what was deem necessary and beneficial for them and others in the long run.
And as we now see and feel the Ban weakening, we also see more activity happening with these two Lamas. I am sure whatever decisions they make and do, would be of the highest interest in what's best in benefiting others and continuing their roles in turning the wheel of Dharma in the most unimaginably creative way.
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Of course being a Lama is infinitely more meritorious than a film maker! The Lama teaches the Dharma and that can potentially change our lives and future lives which a movie cannot do. However, through the medium of films, one can reach a much wider audience but the Dharma that can be conveyed by a Lama is vastly different. However, one can still be a Lama and be a filmmaker on the side.
I think the most famous lama- filmmaker is someone like Dzongar Khyente Rinpoche. So, I don't think Lama Osel needs to be defined by just being a film-maker or a Lama per se. I think he should return to his role as a Lama and use films as means to deliver the Dharma to others. In the past, the Great Lamas and masters use art and poetry to deliver the Dharma to others but today, a Lama could use the medium of films to deliver the Dharma. The Lama also does not need to restrict himself to the methods in which one can convey the Dharma.
No doubt it would be an event of the century if Osel Hita and Trijang Rinpoche both decides it is time for them to take on the robes again and were able to return to be enthroned as who they are in their rightful glory, but let that not be for the satisfaction of what were preconceive concept of what's right or better for them.
Theoretically it would correct for them to be in robes. But then again we've also read hundreds of stories of Mahasiddhas including Birwapa's manifesting Dharma in the most craziest ways that actually breaks all concepts. Hence either way I am sure they would continue to still teach and turn the wheel of Dharma to benefit and reach out to as many as they could innovatively. Their potential is not limited by them being ordained or not is what I believe ;)
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Of course being a Lama is infinitely more meritorious than a film maker! The Lama teaches the Dharma and that can potentially change our lives and future lives which a movie cannot do. However, through the medium of films, one can reach a much wider audience but the Dharma that can be conveyed by a Lama is vastly different. However, one can still be a Lama and be a filmmaker on the side.
I think the most famous lama- filmmaker is someone like Dzongar Khyente Rinpoche. So, I don't think Lama Osel needs to be defined by just being a film-maker or a Lama per se. I think he should return to his role as a Lama and use films as means to deliver the Dharma to others. In the past, the Great Lamas and masters use art and poetry to deliver the Dharma to others but today, a Lama could use the medium of films to deliver the Dharma. The Lama also does not need to restrict himself to the methods in which one can convey the Dharma.
No doubt it would be an event of the century if Osel Hita and Trijang Rinpoche both decides it is time for them to take on the robes again and were able to return to be enthroned as who they are in their rightful glory, but let that not be for the satisfaction of what were preconceive concept of what's right or better for them.
Theoretically it would correct for them to be in robes. But then again we've also read hundreds of stories of Mahasiddhas including Birwapa's manifesting Dharma in the most craziest ways that actually breaks all concepts. Hence either way I am sure they would continue to still teach and turn the wheel of Dharma to benefit and reach out to as many as they could innovatively. Their potential is not limited by them being ordained or not is what I believe ;)
To me, both Trijang Rinpoche and Osel Hita may not be monks, but it does not affect their capacity to teach and to practice the Dharma even one bit. I dont find it relevant in some way whether or not they choose to teach Dharma in robes or without robes. Perhaps they would be able to reach out to more people if they taught without robes or that it would avoid certain things if it was done without robes. I would not want to make them fit into a certain mold or dictate how must they manifest because it seems that no matter what, they are still spreading the Dharma and they are still just as attained as their previous lives.
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As a matter of fact, Lama Osel and Trijang Rinpoche are already teaching and they are both incarnations of great Shugden Lamas.
Yes interestingly they have both disrobed around the same time. It is part of the ''freedom'' they can garner to worship Dorje Shugden. Imagine true monks giving up their robes for the sake of preserving Shugden practice. How very compassionate.
Let all Shugdenpas not be faint hearted but to hold fast to their faith and win for the benefit of many many sentients to have freedom to worship the great Dorje Shugden.