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Title: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: diamond girl on July 02, 2012, 02:26:39 PM
I stumbled onto this video while looking for other interesting videos to watch. You must admit that the title is captivating with paradox, isn't it.... They have two different versions of this video applied onto different religions. If you have never watched it, please do and you will feel disgusted as to what this certain religion does to brainwash and propagate... It is insulting to other religions and also insulting to freedom of choice. This is a classic example of using fear to indoctrinate religion. I am just grateful that I have adopted Buddhism where we practice the Middle Path and not fanaticism.

Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in HELL!! (english translation) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSM8I-05Bm4#ws)
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: Tenzin K on July 02, 2012, 03:31:20 PM
Unbelievable! Never thought of watching such video in putting down other religious.

I’m glad to have my Lama who teaches me to respect and look for the common good qualities in other religious.  There is no point keep pointing the different for the sake of putting down other religious because it will never end and will end up to suffering just for the sake of whose right or wrong. Harmonious is important in interfaith because we are not a lone living in this world and we should together bring happiness and great benefit to others.

We should encourage others to be loyal with the Lama or spiritual teacher because faith is very important in spiritual practice and will bring no result and attainment if we doubt. By saying that we should show a good example and always support each others.   
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: brian on July 02, 2012, 04:26:46 PM
i always believe in logic and Buddhism gave me just that! I am a born Christian and my mum always tells me to believe in GOD and things will be better and if you are not, you are going to hell (!). This statement has been with me eversince i was a child and did not really went away until i met the precious teachings of Buddha. How will i just go to hell by not believing in Jesus Christ? So does that mean others who did not follow Jesus' advice or worship Him will make the poor guy go to hell? This is unfair, what about Mathama Ghandi? What about Buddha or any other people who are good and not evil?? those who harm or kill will be born in hell not people who does not believe in GOD (Jesus). Oh my god!
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: Vajraprotector on July 02, 2012, 04:31:55 PM
A concerned Christian ministry has investigated and interviewed the said person who was the so-called 'monk'. They found it full of holes, and the man continuously contradicted himself on many ocassions, and could not point them to a single person who could verify his story, and is unemployed. They also noted that there are numerous conflicting versions of the story being circulated, and that the man has made many conflicting claims that turned out to be untrue.

I believe that in any religion, there are people who will investigate and are non-bias. I am glad that in this case, the CCG (Concerned Christians Growth Ministries) went to investigate. It is important to have faith, but we must make sure it is not blind faith.  Buddha himself said, “Bhikshus and the wise should examine my teachings like goldsmiths analyze gold, by cutting, rubbing and scorching it. Examine my teachings in the same way and then put them into practice. Do not practice Dharma on the strength of blind faith alone.”

Excerpt below from their website: The tale of the resurrected monk; http://www.ccgm.org.au/index.php?g=articles&a=0036 (http://www.ccgm.org.au/index.php?g=articles&a=0036)

The story of the ’resurrected Paul’ is known throughout much of Myanmar - and his tape has circulated (in several versions). Hardly anyone in Myanmar - especially amongst Christian leaders - has accepted or believed the story. There is just nothing to back it up. Paul is known of in Myanmar, and regarded by most - as a troublesome and troubled person. He has caused problems and difficulty for Myanmar Christians, and has even been responsible for bringing fear into parts of the Christian community. A number of people in Myanmar who personally know him, or have met him, believe he is in need of medical help and counselling. Sadly, in Myanmar, he is certainly not known as a fearless and faithful witness to Jesus Christ, whose testimony is converting Buddhists, strengthening the church or bringing glory to God’s name.

 Further complications have arisen with this whole saga. According to the beliefs of some people in Myanmar (or some with friends and/or relatives in Myanmar), several different people supposedly, or apparently, are claiming to be the resurrected Buddhist monk - at least an older man and a not-so-balanced younger man.

 Whatever the truth behind this sad saga, most Christians, and most pastors and church leaders in Myanmar, are not taking this story seriously and see little value in it for the growth of the Christian community in that country.
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: bambi on July 02, 2012, 04:49:40 PM
Oh my Buddha! How can these people stoop so low and do this? What are the benefits of doing this? I don't see Buddhists doing this sort of disgusting thing.

But then again, I think if Buddhists did see this video, they wouldn't believe what was shown in the video. They can have their freedom of speech and I won't budge from my faith and believes in Buddhism.

I have time and again hear Gurus who always teach their students not to make negative remarks about other religions for we must respect their faith. Never mock other people for what they believe. I have friends who are Christians and they transform beautifully inside.


“The whole purpose of religion is to facilitate love and compassion, patience, tolerance, humility, and forgiveness.”
? Dalai Lama XIV

"Whether one believes in a religion or not, and whether one believes in rebirth or not, there isn't anyone who doesn't appreciate kindness and compassion."--His Holiness the Dalai Lama
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: negra orquida on July 02, 2012, 05:33:27 PM
wow. this is so absolutely ridiculous. i couldn't finish the video after forcing myself to watch 8 minutes of it.

the time and effort spent to cook up the story is rather... amazing though. gosh, the amount of time and effort spent just to try and debunk Buddhism! imagine the negative karma incurred... he used up that much of his life to collect negative karma. poor guy.  poor him for not feeling secure enough in his own religion and wanting to make Buddhists believe in what he believes, and not being able to rejoice with other people happily practicing their own religion.

Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: Klein on July 02, 2012, 05:51:44 PM
After watching the video, I realised how mentally unwell this person is who came up of this video. His claims sound like a dream he had. It is baseless and holds no water. I found it rather entertaining as he is creative enough to do a video like this.

Regardless of what religion we belong to, the fundamental spiritual practitioner should embody qualities such as kindness and compassion. Bambi quoted HHDL, “The whole purpose of religion is to facilitate love and compassion, patience, tolerance, humility, and forgiveness. Whether one believes in a religion or not, and whether one believes in rebirth or not, there isn't anyone who doesn't appreciate kindness and compassion." This requires transformation of our mind.

By merely accepting God and not changing our negative attitudes and behaviours, why would the person ascend to heaven? For example, why would a murderer go to heaven and join Mother Theresa just because the murderer accepts God? Then why bother being like Mother Theresa? Might as well continue doing vice and except God at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: kurava on July 03, 2012, 03:20:22 AM
If it were true like what's claimed in this video, heaven would be overcrowded by people like Hitler, SS soldiers , the crusaders and all the people who had committed heinous crimes but at the crucial last hour "embraced the Lord " !

This is the very thing that put me off about Christianity. The same reason for which many born in the faith turn against it when they grow up and realize how illogical is the doctrine.

I'm really surprised that at this day and age, some Christians still believe in such simplicity of the doctrine. No wonder Buddhism spread so rapidly in the West in recent years !
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: KhedrubGyatso on July 03, 2012, 04:10:34 AM
The vid is a scare tactic that had turned arguably more people away from Christianity than to it., at least the intelligent ones. On the other hand , if you are standing on their side with v strong evangelistical fervour to spread the faith, you  can understand where they are coming from. Fear as we know  is a powerful motivator. For many who are less knowledgeable or too lazy to check things out, who are weak in their mind , who likes to be spoon fed  , all of us who have some experience with ' staunch  Christian groups , will know Christian tactics work very well through their support system for those during vulnerable moments.
On a fair note, I don't believe true Christians will take it in a literal way  the threat that if u don't believe in Jesus you go to hell. If believing in jesus means following his way of love and giving joy etc thereby engaging in virtuous actions, then it is consistent with Buddhist ethical behaviour and karmic operation accoridng to which one will be protected from falling into the lower realms, hell being one of them. Perhaps Jesus knows abt the other lower realms, perhaps he did not or perhaps he grouped them all as hells anyway for simpler minds !
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: Tammy on July 03, 2012, 07:28:30 AM
There is always a high chance people make use of religions to make money - they say religion is the BEST money making machine. Why? Because a lot of people jumped into blind faith without checking whether it is real. And many religious leaders misuse trust from their followers. Worst still, many a time, the rule by fear - fear of the repercussions of not following their instructions or wishes.
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: rossoneri on July 04, 2012, 07:36:58 AM
Totally not logical. Does it mean that i'll be sharing Heaven with Hitler or Queen Mary if i choose to believed in God?
Does it make any sense to you? I would like to share an article with you all regarding why would god allow the people going to hell to be born in the first place?


Why should God make people knowing they are going to hell forever?


This question raises many issues.  If God is all-loving, why would He send people to hell?  What is hell?  Is it a place of eternal torment?  Why create creatures knowing they will end up in an eternity of damnation?  Is God helpless to save them all?

Often times, skeptics try to present an idea so that fairness and compassion necessitate that the Christian God cannot be real.  For example, they sometimes say that a truly loving God would not create people He knew would go to eternal punishment.  Of course this is only an opinion, but it is sometime raised nonetheless.  As one skeptic put it, "If God truly loves us (this sacrificial love you talk about) then he would simply say 'I do not want the child to be born'. He is in control and has that ability, doesn't he? I would not wish any of my children, whom I love, to go through a life of agonizing pain." The main problem with such an approach is that it is overly simplistic and based on emotionalism, not scripture.  So, let's look at what the Word of God says.

First of all, when God made Adam, He made him good.  Adam had the freedom to choose to obey or disobey God.  Adam is the one who rebelled.  God did not make him rebel and God is not responsible for Adam's rebellion.  It would be like a parent having a child knowing that the child would eventually disobey the parent.  Does this mean that the parent is responsible for the child's rebellion when it occurs because the parent knew it would happen?  Of course not.  Furthermore, if the parent has more children, does he/she not know that some children may very well turn out good and others bad?  Should the parents then not have children because some of them might turn out bad?  The skeptic, if he is consistent, would urge parents not to have any children at all lest some of them turn out bad.

The skeptic might say, "But God knows for a fact who will be bad and good.  Why allow the people going to hell to be born in the first place?"  But, if this is the case and if God arranged it that no "bad" people were born, then we would all go to hell.  You see, Jesus is the only way to be forgiven of our sins.  His sacrifice on the cross was necessary in order to make it possible for us to be saved because everyone, "good" and "bad" has sinned.  If there were no "bad" people born, then there wouldn't be any "bad" people around who would have sent Jesus to the cross.  If that never happened, then we wouldn't be saved from our sins because Jesus would never have been unjustly condemned and His sacrifice would never have happened.

Second, if someone says that it is wrong for God to allow someone to be born and who will go to hell, then would he rather have God remove our freedom to rebel against Him so that no one can be blamed for sin?  If the critic says he only wants those people born who go to heaven, then how are they truly free and how would that fulfill the ultimate plan of God to sacrifice His Son for the redemption of mankind?

Third, God could have reasons for sending people to hell that we cannot understand.

Fourth, God is just and always does what is right.  Therefore, sending people to hell is the right thing to do, especially when we understand that God is eternally holy and those who sin against God incur an infinite offense because the infinite God is the one who is offended.

Finally, the Bible simply tells us that people will go to hell.  They go there because they are not covered by the sacrifice of Christ.  Whether they are created or not does not affect the fact that sinners must be punished; otherwise, the holiness and righteousness of God mean nothing.
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: Dorje Pakmo on July 04, 2012, 09:57:24 AM
This video offers some really nice graphics! But the content was utter bullsh*t. >:( At first it sounded really convincing, like he really went to hell and came back to tell a story. But after awhile, it gets confusing. ???  For a Buddhist monk, this guy seems to know more about Christianity and Jesus Christ than Buddhism.
He merely quoted a few famous names like U Zadila Kyar Ni Kan Sayadaw, Gautama Buddha? Aung San, the revolutionary leader of Myanmar which he probably researched out of Wikipedia. And most importantly it is obvious that this video is out to promote Christianity and put down Buddhism when the first thing he said he saw in the lake of fire is the Saffron Colored Robes that Buddhist Monks wear and then he keeps seeing monks (not saying that monks don’t go to hell, but how come monks? ??? There are so many evil people and sinners out there)! And people who persecute Christian. It is as if to directly tell the audience, Buddhists go to HELL, people who are not Christians go to HELL; people who don’t BELIEVE in the LORD go to HELL.
Why are those people in HELL? They are in HELL because they didn’t BELIEVE. But why is he here? He’s a Saint! Oh Well, because he also didn’t BELIEVE. Ha ha ha!!!  BELIEVE.

 It’s funny though that he saw YAMA in a Christian HELL instead of SATAN or his assistant BAAL. The HELL is Buddhist’s and the HEAVEN belongs to Christians who BELIEVE, ::) since Peter has the key to this ohhhh… very very beautiful place. And Peter said what to come back to the world and testify? Tell the people to stop worshipping Buddha? Those who build temples and idols will go to HELL? Those who give offerings to earn merits and go temple will go to HELL? Oh no! Athet Pyan Shinthaw Paulu, you better BELIEVE and you BELIEVE real hard. By the way, Athet Pyan Shinthaw Paulu is now called Paul.

My BELIEVE, as a human being, to not put down or criticize other’s religious practice and beliefs. The Buddha and other holy beings can manifest in so many different forms. We should respect one another no matter what kind of religion others choose to practice. After all, every religion preaches goodness. It is our deluded mind that makes us say that this is good and that is bad and in this case, if you don’t BELIEVE you go to HELL. Religions do not divide people; it is the ignorant people in religion that divides people.

I’ve include here a two interesting articles for reference.

http://www.insightsofgod.com/HTML_TESTIMONIES/former_buddhist.htm (http://www.insightsofgod.com/HTML_TESTIMONIES/former_buddhist.htm)
 http://bibleprobe.com/backfromthedead.htm (http://bibleprobe.com/backfromthedead.htm)
http://dhammaprotector.blogspot.com/2009/04/athet-pyan-shinthaw-paulu-back-from.html (http://dhammaprotector.blogspot.com/2009/04/athet-pyan-shinthaw-paulu-back-from.html)
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: kris on July 17, 2012, 11:46:26 AM
I am quite amused by this video indeed.. I guess fear tactics is still one of the best ways to sell even in this time and age. Some christian, not all, are really harping on the "if you don't believe in Jesus, then you will go to hell" theory.

Actually, Buddhism also have the same concept, but the emphasis is different:

Christian (some, not all): If you don't believe in Jesus, you will go to hell. So believe in Jesus now!
Buddhism: Be a good person, do virtuous deeds, don't commit heinous crimes, otherwise, you will go to hell. So do virtuous deeds now.

I heard someone said before, if Christian is all about believing in Jesus and we will go to heaven, then why would Jesus bother to teach anything at all? Why have bible? Just have one page and say, "Believe in me and you will go to heaven", right?
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: pgdharma on July 17, 2012, 02:40:35 PM
What I can say is that this video is ridiculous and illogical. How can someone who claimed to be a monk stooped so low to come out with this video? It is a shame to say that if we didn't believe in Jesus we go to hell. So if all our lives we kill, steal, cheat or even kill our parents, once we believed in Jesus we go to heaven even though we have committed sinful actions. So all those sinners who have committed heinous crimes and believed in Jesus are now in heaven and all those who are good virtuous but do not believe in Jesus are now in hell.

Regardless of which religion we belong to, we should never criticize or condemn other religion. To quote His Holiness Dalai Lama: "The very purpose of spirituality is self-discipline. Rather than criticizing others, we should evaluate and criticize ourselves. Ask yourself, what am I doing about my anger, my attachment, my pride, my jealousy? These are the things we should check in our day to day lives" I feel this person who tried to tarnish Buddhism should spent his time evaluating himself rather than wasting his time recording this video.
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: yontenjamyang on July 18, 2012, 11:00:38 AM
Yama in a Christian Hell? So Buddha was correct as Yama is really the King of Hell. So confusing. Don't believe in this crap. So if we lie, cheat, murder and generally be very anger some but we believe in Jesus, we go to heaven? Gandhi went to hell because I didn't remember anything is history that said he believed in Jesus? Maybe Hitler went to heaven because he believed in Jesus just before he committed suicide.

Peter sounded so unreasonable. Believe is Jesus or go to hell! Thank you very much!

With due respect, this is not even a proper Christian message. It is just scare tactics.
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: vajratruth on July 19, 2012, 06:55:46 AM
There are a number of very fundamental errors in the claim that people (including Buddhists monks and the Buddha himself) will end up in hell merely by not believing in Jesus and an almighty creator-God. The maker and narrator of the video clearly indicate that people, no matter how virtuous they were, go to hell for not believing in God. It appears that merely "believing" in Jesus is the key to heaven (and avoid hell).

The first error is this: Even the devil and demons believe in Jesus and God! It is stated clearly in the Bible, [James 2:18-20] where James said: "You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that...and shudder". So demons believe in Jesus and yet it did not help them.

In Matthew 8:28 it is told that Jesus restored two demon-possessed men. It is said that:  "when he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way.  “What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?”

Clearly, the demons recognized and believed in Jesus as the "son of God" and yet again, their believe did not help them.

Unlike so many claims that merely believing in Jesus saves a sinner form hell, the Bible itself tells us that this is a gravely mistaken view. So to begin with, the maker of the video is very seriously mistaken. On the one hand he promotes Christianity and yet on the other hand, he shows very little knowledge of Jesus's teachings.

In fact he shows very little understanding of Buddhism as well. To begin with, all real Buddhist know that Buddhism is not about worshipping the Buddha.

Buddhism is non-theistic, that is,  it does not teach the existence of a supreme creator god or depend on any supreme being for enlightenment. Buddha is a guide and teacher who teaches the way out of Samsara (never mind hell). All Buddhist practitioners should know that.

The contents of this video is so seriously flawed and should only be accorded it's rightful junk status. Buddha has no need to answer nor do Buddhists.  Instead the words of the irrefutable saint by any religion, Mother Theresa, should suffice when she said:

 "It is not enough for us to say: 'I love God, but I do not love my neighbour.'



Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: buddhalovely on August 06, 2012, 08:33:15 AM
Honestly, are people expected to believe this BS. I believe in Jesus as much as I believe in Buddha but we do not go to hell just because we do not believe in Jesus. Our sins are given to us depending on the amount of crimes we commit not this. There is no certain proof this person is even real, the amount of false information people would make up to bring down other religions are sick. Here's a video to contemplate on that debates this video, there is no evidence. Buddha's lived longer than Jesus.

Jesus was a Buddhist Monk BBC Documentary
Jesus was a Buddhist Monk BBC Documentary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxwqAYSsKjY#)
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: Q on August 06, 2012, 04:14:39 PM
I didn't even have to wait for the name Jesus Christ to appear for me to figure out the maker of this video is a Christian fanatic. The terms and the way he composed the first part of the video tells it all. I've listened to enough Christian fanatics to figure it out the minute they open their mouths. I don't hate them, just irritated that they have no respect for other people's religion.

They will go on and on that they are trying to 'save' non christians from the fires of hell... but lets put it this way, the only reason why they bother going out to 'recruit' others into Christianity is because 'God' said it would bring them to heaven... so technically, they are doing it for themselves.

I tend to ignore these type of videos as it irritates me strongly. They don't even bother to research about Buddhism before doing the video that all the Buddhist traditions are mashed up and mixed into one video... he was a monk from Myanmar? oh please... not only a 5 year old will be fooled.

But hey... at least he mentioned the name of Gautama Buddha... and unknowing to him, this is the very word that planted a seed in his mindstream to meet the Dharma and reach enlightenment many lives to come...
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: brian on August 06, 2012, 04:39:18 PM
as much as i am irritated by this video, it doesn't help me to think of the tactics of imposing fear onto other people's mind in order to make them come and join your own religion is kind of silly. It also shows that maybe they do feel insecure that they have to tell everyone in the world that if you are not in our religion, then you will end up in hell. (???) It doesn't make sense, doesn't mean that a serial killer who killed countless of people can end up in heaven by converting to Christianity. Illogical to me to the max!
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: Big Uncle on August 09, 2012, 06:47:01 PM
I can't believe this video. I find the line of reasoning ridiculous because it doesn't make sense that the monk have to suffer in the flames of hell along with the Buddha because they didn't accept God. Buddha has never heard of the Christian God in his lifetime. Why is he punished?

What kind of God is that, that is if he exists at all in the way the Christians believe he exists. On top of that, why do these virtuous beings have to suffer in the sea of flames along with the murderers, rapists and so forth. Why is that fair and why do the very same murderers, rapists and so forth accept God on their last hour will have their sins washed away.
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: ratanasutra on August 12, 2012, 03:55:04 PM
Oh dear!!!  From this VDO i know what kind of people who made this vdo.. As it is rediculous and not logic at all.  So sad for people who always put other religion down in order to make their religion better. All religions is beautiful is we follow it with the essence of it, and it only can create peace and harmony among religious.

Well... look at other side of coins that, the number of people have faith in Buddhist is big and it made some one  who have different faith could not stand and did such this VDO.

Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: Benny on August 12, 2012, 06:12:15 PM
I am not surprised at all with this video , it is a very lame attack on a religion , in this case Buddhism the mainstream religion of Myanmar. I am not surprised because that has always been the strategy of certain Christian sects that are super aggressive in making evangelistic inroads into predominantly non Christian countries.

I have personally come accross manuals providing details on all other non Christian religions detailing the method and strategy in "converting " those non Christians. It is a very complete manual covering practically the entire worlds population and the different ethniticity and religions , no minority is too minor for these Christians who are indoctrinated to believe they are the saviours of all non Christian.

So in this case it is Myanmar , a Buddhist stronghold whereby the majority of its people are brought up to respect and listen to the Sangha . And what's more in this third world country that is developing , is that her people are still quite gullible in believing what they see and hear on TV or videos to be true !

Imagine the effectiveness and impact of a monk making such a video ? It may look cheesy and B grade to us in more developed countries but to the Myanmarese it could be down right National Geographic quality and believability ! Whoever is behind this has definitely made calculated judgements with precise motives . Let just hope the Buddhist in Myanmar has been taught well by their Sangha to have some Wisdom to NOT fall prey to such Fear Tactics .
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: ilikeshugden on August 14, 2012, 10:18:00 AM
This is horrible. This video is a video that puts down Buddhist beliefs. I do not like. The way the monk described his passage was completely different as what I have learnt. This video is one of those videos that Christians create to change the minds of Buddhist using fear tactics. I am not saying all Christians are bad, no! The only ones who are 'bad' even with the 'right' motivation is when the 'force' people in their religion using fear tactics and madmouthing.
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: diamond girl on August 15, 2012, 07:35:38 PM
A concerned Christian ministry has investigated and interviewed the said person who was the so-called 'monk'. They found it full of holes, and the man continuously contradicted himself on many ocassions, and could not point them to a single person who could verify his story, and is unemployed. They also noted that there are numerous conflicting versions of the story being circulated, and that the man has made many conflicting claims that turned out to be untrue.

I believe that in any religion, there are people who will investigate and are non-bias. I am glad that in this case, the CCG (Concerned Christians Growth Ministries) went to investigate. It is important to have faith, but we must make sure it is not blind faith.  Buddha himself said, “Bhikshus and the wise should examine my teachings like goldsmiths analyze gold, by cutting, rubbing and scorching it. Examine my teachings in the same way and then put them into practice. Do not practice Dharma on the strength of blind faith alone.”

Excerpt below from their website: The tale of the resurrected monk; [url]http://www.ccgm.org.au/index.php?g=articles&a=0036[/url] ([url]http://www.ccgm.org.au/index.php?g=articles&a=0036[/url])

The story of the ’resurrected Paul’ is known throughout much of Myanmar - and his tape has circulated (in several versions). Hardly anyone in Myanmar - especially amongst Christian leaders - has accepted or believed the story. There is just nothing to back it up. Paul is known of in Myanmar, and regarded by most - as a troublesome and troubled person. He has caused problems and difficulty for Myanmar Christians, and has even been responsible for bringing fear into parts of the Christian community. A number of people in Myanmar who personally know him, or have met him, believe he is in need of medical help and counselling. Sadly, in Myanmar, he is certainly not known as a fearless and faithful witness to Jesus Christ, whose testimony is converting Buddhists, strengthening the church or bringing glory to God’s name.

 Further complications have arisen with this whole saga. According to the beliefs of some people in Myanmar (or some with friends and/or relatives in Myanmar), several different people supposedly, or apparently, are claiming to be the resurrected Buddhist monk - at least an older man and a not-so-balanced younger man.

 Whatever the truth behind this sad saga, most Christians, and most pastors and church leaders in Myanmar, are not taking this story seriously and see little value in it for the growth of the Christian community in that country.



The video I posted originally was obviously some farce and hoax to create Christian propaganda. The above quote was previously posted on this thread.

Yes it is really messed up in society when people play on religion like this creating baseless fear... And the sad part is that there are people that ignorant to believe it which is why people still do stupid videos like this.
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: dsiluvu on August 15, 2012, 09:42:50 PM
It is amazing how the self-cherishing mind can turn something beautiful in to something ugly and twist it to their own benefit. Those who have followed his story must have accumulated the negative karma for wrong views. And this is exactly how insecure men who have not much conviction in their own faith do to create a "self-esteem" in themselves because they cannot walk the talk.... so instead it is fear them out talk.

Only those who are like minded, narrow primitive minds that do not investigate, question and think deeper due to perhaps laziness who will swallow this bull of a story. People who can think and will ask questions are probably banished form nearing him. This is most unfortunate of time, it is like the dark ages that Buddha has predicted where people have a beautiful places of worship, eloquent in speach end up doing. SUre hope they put an end to him before it is too late and he has gather more suckers!
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: Dondrup Shugden on May 30, 2015, 06:45:54 AM
Many of us who can read and write on this forum must have experienced life for a least 15 years or more.  With a thinking logical mind what is conveyed in this video is simply impossible.

How can life be so simplistic to just believe in something or someone and all will be fine.  Is it possible to sit around and do nothing with your life and enjoy a comfortable old age.  Not possible.

All human beings must work to sustain our lives with even bare essentials.  Therefore why not for our spirituality. 

I had been educated in a Christian missionary school and was pretty good with Bible studies.  The contents in the Bible was good education for virtuous living but the fact that one needs to be baptised in order to gain entrance to heaven is far too simple and entrapping. That was what I did not believe in Christianity. 

I believe that in their effort to have huge head counts, Christians convert people with simple lies which makes the religion attractive.  It is not the religions that hold wrong views but rather the interpretations that do.

I find the video primitive and shallow.
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: Jason Statham on May 31, 2015, 09:12:43 AM
I do not believe in this!!! How can they force and brainwash people to turn into Christians. I've heard a lots of stories like that. My Mom used to be a Christian but what made her change from a Christian to a Buddhist is mainly because of the people. Christianity is not a bad religion at all in fact it is a great religion but the people is what made my mother changed her religion. I know that Jesus never told us that if we don't believe in God we will go to hell, it was the people who wants control and power said it. In the past, there are a lots of people who wants fame and wealth so these people would brainwash other people, of course everybody is afraid of going to hell so it was easy to brainwash them. They would tell other people that their religion is not good, tell people to give donations, tell people to they would go to hell and so on. But all of that is not good at all. They control people's religion and freedom. I'm not saying that everybody should be Buddhist but what I am trying to express  is that everyone should have their own religious freedom.
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: MoMo on May 31, 2015, 01:53:15 PM
This is hilarious and childish from a Christian group. It was full of flaws  as how could someone who has died and can still be making  a video and present his testimony ! Yes, it was absolutely nothing wrong in seeing the Buddha and Bodhisattva in hell  just as Ksitigarbha vows to take rebirth in hell for the liberation of its denizen until the hell is empty. Such is the courageous of the Buddhist sage and their sole purpose of improving oneself for the benefits of others.
Title: Re: Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in Hell...
Post by: angelica on May 31, 2015, 05:03:51 PM
In today's world, information can be easily obtain thru the internet. But whether the information is true or not, we have do our own checking. Do not blindly believe in information we get from the internet. Ignorance can lead one to lower realms.

We need to always remind our self that we must respect the freedom of religion. We should not condemn other religions to make our own religion the great one and to brainwash others to convert to our religion.