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Title: Global Buddhists
Post by: beggar on December 11, 2011, 03:46:37 PM
This letter seems to be circulating among Tibetan Buddhist circles. I have a few friends in different centers who have received this letter and shown it to me. A brave, and interesting perspective. I did not attend this Buddhist gathering though I heard about it through the grapevine. Did anyone here attend it? And what did you think of it? I suppose it's not much of a surprise to hear that Shugden groups would not have been invited, seeing as it was held in Delhi, right smack in DS-Discrimination land.

I applaud Mr Tenzin Kunzang for his courage in speaking up. Don't know if he's Tibetan, though it sounds like it. All the power to him if he is, because it must be difficult speaking up like this within the Tibetan societies. His points about including and respecting all Buddhist traditions is such common sense, but so often not practiced. If only perpetrators of the ban would realise that imposing this ban is just them cutting off their noses to spite their own faces.

Anyway, have a read. Drop a comment. Write to Mr Tenzin if you like. (his email address is at the end - the one where this letter came from). We need more like this.

(And by the way, if you hear of any other letters like these, or if your own centers are writing letters to lobby for some change, please share them here too. It is inspiring to hear)

*************************

To members of Central Tibetan Administration and Tibetan friends,
 
Tashi Delek! How are you?
 
I am Tibetan man live in Europe, Switzerland. Last week, I am in Delhi for the Global Buddhist Congregation 2011, arrange by Asoka Mission and very venerable Lama Lobzang. It is very good to meet so many Buddhist people coming from all countries in this congregation. I congratulate to Lama Lozang and his committee to make such a big event for Buddhist people.
 
But I think this kind of events is not so fair and not so truthfull. You say the congregation is for all Buddhist peoples but of course Dorje Shugden people cannot go to join. It is same like this always. Why is it like this? Dorje Shugden Lamas and their Buddhist centers are very big in the world. They have so many centers. They are doing very good things for Buddhist practice. They are also studying Lamrim and the holy dharmma of Buddha. I think they have many things to share. They have many networking contacts and big international sponsorship. They can help Buddhism so much..  but they cannot come because of this Shugden issue! Why you invite Christians, Jain people, Hindu people and Muslim to your talks and prayers, but Shugden people cannot go? Shugden people are also Buddhist!
 
Dalai Lama writes very beautiful message on www.dalailama.com (http://www.dalailama.com) . He says: “Today, in a new millennium, our world requires us to accept the oneness of humanity. Many of our world's problems and conflicts arise because we have lost sight of the basic humanity that binds us all together as a human family.” So nice message. His Holiness always give good teaching on peace and kindness and I respect and love Dalai Lama so much. But if he talk about “oneness of humanity” and “human family” isn’t it Dorje Shugden people also in this family? We cannot tell people we are Buddhist but we push away some people. This is not part of the Buddhist teachings about compassion.
 
If we want to be real Buddhists and kind, then we must love everybody and help everybody, even we don’t like them, even our enemies. If you think they are bad or wrong, then why not you help them to connect with Dalai lama and all the lamas so they can learn more dharma and become good. You should not keep them away and say they cannot attend dharma. I think even Buddha will not turn them away. This is dharma logic.
 
Everyday during Global Buddhist Congregation, many good venerable lamas and scholars talk about Buddhist peaceful method and Buddhism is very good to bring more peace for modern world and modern people. But this is not true! We know Buddhist people have discrimination and bias against Dorje Shugden people. Even inside Buddhism, our own Tibetan people attack and push down other Tibetans and Buddhist people because of one protector issue. So this is not correct if we want to hold big Buddhist events but we don’t include all the Buddhists.
 
At Global Buddhist Congregation, you want create a new international Buddhist fedreation group. But how can you do this if you don’t tell to all Buddhists and you on purpose push down some people and make them not speak? This will not be a real and fair Buddhist group. I am very sad our Buddhist Dharma event also become politics.
 
Then, the whole world will look at Tibetan Buddhist people and think why they have so small minds, why they treat their own people like this? All world countries will ask why Tibetan people do not improve their society but always focus on small things like religion things like this. Even there is politics in the most important thing they have.. that is Buddhism.
 
Please do not be angry with me. I do not disrespect you. I respect His Holiness so much. I love him so much. I respect tibetan parliament also because you always working very hard for Tibetan peoples. But I also wish we can have more justice and more expression and freedom for all religion. This is what Buddhism teaches and the whole world respect Buddhist people because we are kind people. Let us show everyone that this is true. Please invite all Buddhist group next time and don’t tell to people they cannot come for teachings and Dharma gatherings if they are Dorje Shugden practitioners. Dorje Shugden people are also human just like us. They also need Dharma and they love Dharma and love His Holiness.
 
Please I hope my letter does not make you angry and offensse. I wish you good luck and long life always. Many tashi delek to you.
 

Mr. Tenzin Kunzang

[email protected]
 
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: thaimonk on December 11, 2011, 03:57:43 PM
Beggar,

Thanks for this post. Obviously CTA's participation in this so called Global Buddhist Conference is politically motivated. Why? Many actions they have carried out in the past is coming to light now. They have to play more politics to cover their mistakes of the past.

Whatever problems, heartaches, doubts, politics, pain they have caused to others will return to them. The wheel of sharp weapons is returning now. The first of these is their downgrade from EXILE TIBETAN GOVT TO CENTRAL TIBETAN ADMINISTRATION.  Many more embarrassing situations will arise for CTA.

Many lamas, teachers, sangha and guests attended this not very well organized event. The conference was for three days. But the big question is WHAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED from this conference? What was the goal?
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: Zach on December 11, 2011, 03:59:02 PM
This was very brave of him but we all know they arent going to change their mind.  :-X
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: DharmaSpace on December 11, 2011, 05:15:21 PM
Things like this letter I believe will chip away at the ban and the resolve of the people who are still upholding the ban. If no action can have a non reaction, so will this action be of sending a lot of these letters create many results. It makes sense.
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: Big Uncle on December 11, 2011, 06:36:29 PM
Naturally, none of the great Dorje Shugden Lamas like Kyabje Gangchen Rinpoche, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, Trisur Rinpoche Lungrik Namgyal were invited for the Global Buddhist Congregation. It's sad that they were so biased that way. Degeneration of merit is evident with such blatant use of Buddhism to further different party's political aims. Isn't the Buddha's wish for all to realize that all actions will eventually come back to us?
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: DharmaDefender on December 11, 2011, 07:16:47 PM
Change their minds or not, maybe itll make them hesitate just a split second longer next time they want to put down Dorje Shugden. And the more mail they receive, they might not read it all but sheer volume will make them uncomfortable.

Theyve caused many sleepless nights for many people. About time they got some of their own medicine (again, Internet trolls, not a threat. Its just a little thing Buddhists like to call KARMA.)
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: dsdisciple on December 12, 2011, 08:57:44 AM
Thank you Tenzin Kuzang,

For writing a direct letter highlighting some important issues...will this make changes...maybe not.

But it does set a precedent for other Tibetans to ask more of their CTA representatives. Working with Tibetan Refugees settling in the west I know how hard it is for them to be direct / and share their feelings on personal issues, emotional trauma, family or health issues.


"Please do not be angry with me. I do not disrespect you. I respect His Holiness so much. I love him so much. I respect tibetan parliament also because you always working very hard for Tibetan peoples. But I also wish we can have more justice and more expression and freedom for all religion. This is what Buddhism teaches and the whole world respect Buddhist people because we are kind people. Let us show everyone that this is true. Please invite all Buddhist group next time and don’t tell to people they cannot come for teachings and Dharma gatherings if they are Dorje Shugden practitioners. Dorje Shugden people are also human just like us. They also need Dharma and they love Dharma and love His Holiness.
 
Please I hope my letter does not make you angry and offensse. I wish you good luck and long life always. Many tashi delek to you."

May more, and more Tibetan people's find the courage and strength to soften the stance of CTA in the future. DS people are human people and also have a relevant Buddhist voice that can benefit as well.

Thank you again for highlighting those points too often lost in the debate of right and wrong.

xox

 
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: WisdomBeing on December 13, 2011, 09:03:38 PM
This is an interesting thread. I had heard about this Global Buddhist Conference but it doesn't sound very global to me. After all, His Holiness - with deepest respect - is seen as the spiritual leader of Tibet, not even Tibetan Buddhists, as each school of Tibetan Buddhists has its own spiritual head, such as Gaden Tripa, Sakya Trizin etc.

The Dalai Lama is not the spiritual leader of all Buddhists either. So why did the Global Buddhist Conference acquiesce to the discriminatory practice of the Dalai Lama against Dorje Shugden practitioners? The absence of the great masters like H.E. Lama Gangchen Rinpoche shows that the 'Global' Buddhist Conference is political.

It is unfortunate that such a potentially spiritually powerful congregation shows a lack of true spirituality - especially harmony, acceptance and equanimity.
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: Big Uncle on December 13, 2011, 09:15:50 PM
This is an interesting thread. I had heard about this Global Buddhist Conference but it doesn't sound very global to me. After all, His Holiness - with deepest respect - is seen as the spiritual leader of Tibet, not even Tibetan Buddhists, as each school of Tibetan Buddhists has its own spiritual head, such as Gaden Tripa, Sakya Trizin etc.

The Dalai Lama is not the spiritual leader of all Buddhists either. So why did the Global Buddhist Conference acquiesce to the discriminatory practice of the Dalai Lama against Dorje Shugden practitioners? The absence of the great masters like H.E. Lama Gangchen Rinpoche shows that the 'Global' Buddhist Conference is political.

It is unfortunate that such a potentially spiritually powerful congregation shows a lack of true spirituality - especially harmony, acceptance and equanimity.

I do agree with your point on Dorje Shugden. However, I do think that the Dalai Lama is the closest thing we have to being a leader of the Buddhists. There is no other Buddhist leader, whether it is the Karmapa, Gaden Tripa, Rev Cheng Yen, Head Patriarch of Thailand or any other great monk or Lama that come close to the Dalai Lama.
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: pgdharma on December 14, 2011, 12:16:49 PM
Thank you Tenzin Kunzang for writing and speaking up for the practitioners of Dorje Shugden. Whether it will change their minds are not, no one knows. But by highlighting this issue, it will create a cause for them to think twice before they put Dorje Shugden down!
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: WisdomBeing on December 14, 2011, 02:22:46 PM
This is an interesting thread. I had heard about this Global Buddhist Conference but it doesn't sound very global to me. After all, His Holiness - with deepest respect - is seen as the spiritual leader of Tibet, not even Tibetan Buddhists, as each school of Tibetan Buddhists has its own spiritual head, such as Gaden Tripa, Sakya Trizin etc.

The Dalai Lama is not the spiritual leader of all Buddhists either. So why did the Global Buddhist Conference acquiesce to the discriminatory practice of the Dalai Lama against Dorje Shugden practitioners? The absence of the great masters like H.E. Lama Gangchen Rinpoche shows that the 'Global' Buddhist Conference is political.

It is unfortunate that such a potentially spiritually powerful congregation shows a lack of true spirituality - especially harmony, acceptance and equanimity.

I do agree with your point on Dorje Shugden. However, I do think that the Dalai Lama is the closest thing we have to being a leader of the Buddhists. There is no other Buddhist leader, whether it is the Karmapa, Gaden Tripa, Rev Cheng Yen, Head Patriarch of Thailand or any other great monk or Lama that come close to the Dalai Lama.

That's true. It's interesting to see why that is though. I think that it is actually through the tragic loss of Tibet, that the Dalai Lama has serendipitously become an internationally recognised image of Buddhism. It is ironic that he probably would never have had that status if not for China's occupation of Tibet. The Dalai Lama would probably have stayed in the geographic isolation that is Tibet.

I think that the fact that the Dalai Lama had to leave Tibet and Dorje Shugden's help in his exodus all contributed to the growth of Tibetan Buddhism and the Dalai Lama as a worldwide phenomenon.

Fortunately or unfortunately, because of the Dalai Lama's global stature, his unsubstantiated opinion and condemnation and subsequent ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden also receives international exposure and majority support. Saying that, i go back to my original point which is that the Dalai Lama, however well respected he is and how deserving of that respect he is, does not represent all Buddhists in the world.

Hence this Global Buddhist Conference should have invited Shugden Lamas to this event - not so much because they are Shugden practitioners but because of their wonderful contributions to Buddhism and society. Again, i refer to the supreme example of Lama Gangchen Rinpoche who tirelessly benefits others.
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: DSFriend on December 14, 2011, 03:37:19 PM
I think that the fact that the Dalai Lama had to leave Tibet and Dorje Shugden's help in his exodus all contributed to the growth of Tibetan Buddhism and the Dalai Lama as a worldwide phenomenon.

Dorje Shugden, in the wrathful form of Manjushri saw clearly what Dalai Lama will be accomplishing for the growth of Dharma. Knowing that there will be much persecutions, yet Dorje Shugden helped Dalai Lama to escape unscathed. Sure shows the nature of Dorje Shugden!


Fortunately or unfortunately, because of the Dalai Lama's global stature, his unsubstantiated opinion and condemnation and subsequent ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden also receives international exposure and majority support. Saying that, i go back to my original point which is that the Dalai Lama, however well respected he is and how deserving of that respect he is, does not represent all Buddhists in the world.

So many people get so hung up on the Dalai Lama's view, ... you put it very well, only if they know that Dalai Lama does not represent all Buddhists in the world. (with no disrespect intended) The Dalai Lama has given countless teachings. Do people pay such close attention and adhere to everything he says? nah.. i find that hard to believe. So why be so fixated with Dalai Lama's view on Dorje Shugden?! Makes no sense to me.

Hence this Global Buddhist Conference should have invited Shugden Lamas to this event - not so much because they are Shugden practitioners but because of their wonderful contributions to Buddhism and society. Again, i refer to the supreme example of Lama Gangchen Rinpoche who tirelessly benefits others.

How unfortunate and what a shame. Lama Gangchen Rinpoche is one of today's very rare, leading peace advocates. It would have benefited many for him to attend.
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: beggar on December 15, 2011, 08:25:17 AM
This was very brave of him but we all know they arent going to change their mind.  :-X

Sure, things may not change over night but their inertness and non-reaction shouldn't be a reason for us to not do more. If this is the case, then none of us should bother speaking up at all then. Then, there is no point even having this forum or the website.

A letter like this is not ONLY about asking the CTA to change something immediately (although that would be nice!). I see that there are many other repercussions to this letter:
- it gives confidence and strength to other Dorje Shugden practitioners, that someone CAN and IS speaking up on their behalf; that they are not completely silenced and that if someone like this Tenzin Kunzang has the courage to speak up, so can they.
- on a karmic level, every effort to make a difference (whether it does or not) - whether it's by speaking up or doing something to lessen the oppression on DS practitioners - does surely contribute to a global merit for lifting the ban.
- as everyone has already said, speaking up like this does also make the perpetrators of the ban feel uncomfortable - it shows that there are people who are thinking and talking and showing up the foolishness and illogic of the ban. They may have been able to throw their illogical reasonings around in an old Tibet where many were not educated or literate, but in this modern world, people are not going to just accept something without checking things out for themselves. Letters like this show that people are CHECKING THINGS OUT and not just taking the rubbish that the Tibetan govts are doling out to people

so yes, maybe things won't change overnight, but I would say that this person is doing more for the ban than those of us who just sit on a forum and say "well it won't work anyway" and just don't do anything at all!
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: triesa on December 15, 2011, 12:02:04 PM

I applaude the courage and effort that Mr. Tenzin Kunzang made by writing this letter to CTA. Simply a powerful and logical letter that I doubt  the CTA would reply him back.

As more voices speak up, it will become a bigger voice, and loud enough to let the buddhist community know that DS practitioners just want peace, harmony and happiness, just like other sects of  buddhism. And certainly within the budhist community, no one like to be called a hyprocrite, saying one thing and practising another. So DS practitioners and lamas should also be invited to all future buddhist congregation, events or teachings. This is the ONLY way to show the world that we can have different practices but we accept one another and are true buddhist that walk the talk of compassion.

Thank you again Mr Tenzin Kunzang for writing this letter!!!
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: dondrup on December 15, 2011, 05:36:59 PM

... But I think this kind of events is not so fair and not so truthfull. You say the congregation is for all Buddhist peoples but of course Dorje Shugden people cannot go to join. It is same like this always. Why is it like this? Dorje Shugden Lamas and their Buddhist centers are very big in the world. They have so many centers. They are doing very good things for Buddhist practice. They are also studying Lamrim and the holy dharmma of Buddha. I think they have many things to share. They have many networking contacts and big international sponsorship. They can help Buddhism so much..  but they cannot come because of this Shugden issue! Why you invite Christians, Jain people, Hindu people and Muslim to your talks and prayers, but Shugden people cannot go? Shugden people are also Buddhist!
 
Dalai Lama writes very beautiful message on [url=http://www.dalailama.com]www.dalailama.com[/url] ([url]http://www.dalailama.com[/url]) . He says: “Today, in a new millennium, our world requires us to accept the oneness of humanity. Many of our world's problems and conflicts arise because we have lost sight of the basic humanity that binds us all together as a human family.” So nice message. His Holiness always give good teaching on peace and kindness and I respect and love Dalai Lama so much. But if he talk about “oneness of humanity” and “human family” isn’t it Dorje Shugden people also in this family? We cannot tell people we are Buddhist but we push away some people. This is not part of the Buddhist teachings about compassion.
 
If we want to be real Buddhists and kind, then we must love everybody and help everybody, even we don’t like them, even our enemies. If you think they are bad or wrong, then why not you help them to connect with Dalai lama and all the lamas so they can learn more dharma and become good. You should not keep them away and say they cannot attend dharma. I think even Buddha will not turn them away. This is dharma logic.
 
Everyday during Global Buddhist Congregation, many good venerable lamas and scholars talk about Buddhist peaceful method and Buddhism is very good to bring more peace for modern world and modern people. But this is not true! We know Buddhist people have discrimination and bias against Dorje Shugden people. Even inside Buddhism, our own Tibetan people attack and push down other Tibetans and Buddhist people because of one protector issue. So this is not correct if we want to hold big Buddhist events but we don’t include all the Buddhists.



The Global Buddhist Congregation 2011 had not addressed the issue on the ban on Dorje Shugden practice and it had also failed to stop prejudices against Dorje Shugden practitioners worldwide. 

It has been a long time since the ban was imposed.  How is the Congregation going to promote prosperity if Dorje Shugden practitioners around the World are being discriminated against?  This international forum needs to protect the fundamental human rights and freedom of practice of Dorje Shugden practitioners.

Please refer link below on the Congregation’s aims.

http://asokamission.in/page/global-buddhist-congregation-context (http://asokamission.in/page/global-buddhist-congregation-context)
… the Congregation aims to set up an international forum that will define collective action aimed at promoting peace, stability and prosperity the world over, and creating a united voice against prejudices, exploitation and violence.

Thank You Mr. Tenzin Kunzang for speaking up.  The World needs to know the truth.  You are helping to create the cause for the ban to be lifted.  More and more Dorje Shugden practitioners will be inspired by your courage to speak up and do the same. 
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: vajrastorm on December 29, 2011, 07:56:16 AM
Thank you, Tenzin Kunzang, for speaking up and writing a letter to voice your indignation(couched in very polite and respectful words) about how ,once again, Shugden practitioners have been unfairly discriminated against.

Yes, this is a Buddhist global conference and it should involve ALL Buddhist groups. The fact that Shugden practitioners have been deliberately left out speaks poorly for the spirit of harmony, peace and compassion that characterizes Buddhism and its practitioners.

Though it appears as one small voice, it will spread out far and wide ,though this forum and other channels.It will inspire more to speak up for Shugden practitioners in the same respectful and reasonable way that will not offend but will be heeded.

Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: Galen on December 29, 2011, 03:04:31 PM
This is a powerful letter sent to the CTA. Let's hope that they will at least take notice. If more and more of people write to the CTA on this concern, it will definitely help in the lifting of the ban earlier.

Like many has expressed, this Buddhist Conference is biased as it does not include any great DS Lamas and it is political. They regard the Dalai Lama as the head of Buddhism when clearly he is not. He does not represent Chinese Mahayana Buddhism nor the Thevaradan Buddhism. No doubt he is popular. He is not like the Pope who represents Catholics.

I heard from the grapevine that the Dalai Lama wants to be the head of World Buddhism and therefore created a lot of controversies. Controversies like the DS ban which caused the break up of the Gelug sect,  appointing the 3rd Karmapa and choosing his new reincarnation. All these for him to become World Buddhist head. How true is this? I'm not sure but it is what is circulating out there.
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: WisdomBeing on December 30, 2011, 01:19:49 PM
I just read on another thread (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1535.new#new (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1535.new#new)) about the World Buddhist Forums organised by China. These forums could be a great platform to discuss the Dorje Shugden ban and the terrible effects of the ban. The next forum is in Hong Kong in April 2012 - perhaps some Dorje Shugden practitioners should attend and get their voices heard? And anyone who is attending can print out Tenzin Kunzang's letter and distribute to all the attendees! I think that would be a great way to blitz Buddhists about this crucial issue.
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: harrynephew on December 31, 2011, 04:51:13 AM
wow wow wow!

what can I say, a Tibetan guy speaking up on the move of the CTA. I think the loudest message sent across is telling the CTA that the Tibetans are not dumb and cannot think for themselves even though they LOVE the Dalai Lama and all that HHDL is doing for the world, the contradiction and confusion HHDL creates for the Tibetans are really crushing these beautiful people into piece (literallly!)

You don't find other Buddhist leaders going against their own people for some of the things they do not agree with and moreso you don't see other Buddhist leaders going against their own teachers! Mr. Tenzin Kunzang's letter tells u how soft and kind a man he is and still it disturbs his mind to know how the ban and all CTA is doing is breaking the Tibetans apart.

On a Buddhist level, one-ness is what we all want to achieve - happiness! It is only right for Tibetans like Mr. Kunzang to claim it back from the CTA
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: Ensapa on December 31, 2011, 03:28:31 PM
I just read on another thread ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1535.new#new[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1535.new#new[/url])) about the World Buddhist Forums organised by China. These forums could be a great platform to discuss the Dorje Shugden ban and the terrible effects of the ban. The next forum is in Hong Kong in April 2012 - perhaps some Dorje Shugden practitioners should attend and get their voices heard? And anyone who is attending can print out Tenzin Kunzang's letter and distribute to all the attendees! I think that would be a great way to blitz Buddhists about this crucial issue.


I have a very strong feeling they will promote Dorje Shugden very strongly there. The Chinese Panchen Lama does it and is very well respected for his level of wisdom and studies by the Chinese Buddhist community. There's also Samdhong Rinpoche -- Vajrayogini's direct emanation in the council too. The Chinese really need Buddhism now to heal decades of cultural destruction which has left most chinese devoid of certain humanistic values as proven by the recent news of people not assisting a girl who was ran over by a van recently. The government is aware and wishes to heal it via Buddhism, which is why they sponsored the council and built a fantastic hall for this purpose.
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: Ensapa on December 31, 2011, 03:29:25 PM
samdhing...not samdhong haha
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: Gypsy on January 13, 2012, 05:45:25 PM
Wow i admire his courage for writing in to the CTA! i wish i have the courage to do so too, well, i think i would…if it can help to lift the ban! haha..

Honestly, i think this is one of the good methods to make the CTA's ear itchy. The more they want to stop us from practicing, the more physical mails or email talking about how great DS is will be sent to them, make their ear uncomfortable, creating awareness among them that the ban should be lifted and please understand that they have been wrong for so many years. Any methods that can help to lift the ban, i would certainly do so without much hesitation. I hope other DS practitioners out there, can have the same motivation too :)
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: diamond girl on January 13, 2012, 07:12:08 PM
Beggar,

Thanks for this post. Obviously CTA's participation in this so called Global Buddhist Conference is politically motivated. Why? Many actions they have carried out in the past is coming to light now. They have to play more politics to cover their mistakes of the past.

Whatever problems, heartaches, doubts, politics, pain they have caused to others will return to them. The wheel of sharp weapons is returning now. The first of these is their downgrade from EXILE TIBETAN GOVT TO CENTRAL TIBETAN ADMINISTRATION.  Many more embarrassing situations will arise for CTA.

Many lamas, teachers, sangha and guests attended this not very well organized event. The conference was for three days. But the big question is WHAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED from this conference? What was the goal?

Apparently the Asoka Mission under the one-man show of venerable Lama Lobsang, was granted a huge piece of land from the Indian government to develop as a spiritual retreat grounds. But for some reason there was some complication to the land deal. So, to prove to the government that Asoka has the might and influence to have this land such a congregation was held. It was a rally program like politics in the White House - lobbying to show the government "We are worthy of the land, so give it up!" So, was the conference for spiritual harmony or political show?

In all fairness to the efforts to put the conference together, some of the talks were really worth listening to. However, did I leave a better Buddhist? I think a Dorje Shugden conference would have benefited me more!
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: Manjushri on February 16, 2012, 11:57:52 PM
The issues reflected here are somewhat aligned to that of the recent article posted here: http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=12232 (http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=12232)

It highlights the flaw pointed all this while, that religion and politics have integrated and it is so hard to separate. How does the discrimination against Shugdenpas arise? Because of the fact that polictics and religion are one.

This is a powerful supporting document to highlight the feelings of a Tibetan DS practitioner, and his genuine feelings towards being excluded from "BUDDHIST CONGREGATIONS". To me, to use the term Buddhist is to be all-including i.e. regardless of whether you are Theravaden, Mahayana, Vajrayana, Gelug, Kagyu, Sakya, Nyingma...whatever it is, a Buddhist is a Buddhist and it cannot be used as a term and have segregation amongst its people. That is illogical.

Such a sincere letter, with no hatred, anger, or frustrations. Just pure logic.
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: Ensapa on February 07, 2013, 08:36:48 AM
Apparently the Asoka Mission under the one-man show of venerable Lama Lobsang, was granted a huge piece of land from the Indian government to develop as a spiritual retreat grounds. But for some reason there was some complication to the land deal. So, to prove to the government that Asoka has the might and influence to have this land such a congregation was held. It was a rally program like politics in the White House - lobbying to show the government "We are worthy of the land, so give it up!" So, was the conference for spiritual harmony or political show?

In all fairness to the efforts to put the conference together, some of the talks were really worth listening to. However, did I leave a better Buddhist? I think a Dorje Shugden conference would have benefited me more!

This is interesting because it seems that the Tibetans have problems with following the laws of the land. The more recent case of Tai Situpa's land issue is also of the same problem: They took the land and did not build what they said they would build and of course, which government likes to be lied to? But to demand the land back by joining some protests in the US is just plain ridiculous. It is kind enough that the Indian government lent you their land but to lie to the Indian government and when the Indian government revokes you demand the land back? Oh my goodness. This is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: Big Uncle on February 07, 2013, 08:59:05 AM
I wonder if it would be a good idea to host an International Dorje Shugden Forum where spiritual leaders who are currently practicing Dorje Shugden can share their experience an struggles, perform large scale pujas to Dorje Shguden for world peace and the spread of Dharma every where. Wouldn't that be great? Then we can various lineage lamas like Gangchen Rinpoche and other Lamas share about various aspects of Dorje Shugden and how it is beneficial. Finally, we have Dorje Shugden empowerment to the public by eminent Lamas like Trijang Rinpoche and so forth. This would be sort of the first Global Dorje Shugden Gathering. Maybe not now but perhaps this can happen one day.                                                                                     
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: Ensapa on February 07, 2013, 09:18:10 AM
I wonder if it would be a good idea to host an International Dorje Shugden Forum where spiritual leaders who are currently practicing Dorje Shugden can share their experience an struggles, perform large scale pujas to Dorje Shguden for world peace and the spread of Dharma every where. Wouldn't that be great? Then we can various lineage lamas like Gangchen Rinpoche and other Lamas share about various aspects of Dorje Shugden and how it is beneficial. Finally, we have Dorje Shugden empowerment to the public by eminent Lamas like Trijang Rinpoche and so forth. This would be sort of the first Global Dorje Shugden Gathering. Maybe not now but perhaps this can happen one day.                                                                                   

Actually it is already quite possible. There is already Shar Ganden right? And other than that there are so many HUGE Dorje Shugden temples everywhere like Rabten Choling in Switzerland and also Serkong Tritul's one in Taiwan and Daknak Rinpoche's one which is in Taiwan also, and last but not least Gangchen Rinpoche's center in Italy. Dorje Shugden practitioners are pretty self sufficient, needless to say and they are doing a very good job on their own of surviving independently from the CTA and they are doing very, very well. The world dosent revolve around CTA anymore. This is the world, not medieval Tibet.
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: honeydakini on February 07, 2013, 10:04:08 AM
I wonder if it would be a good idea to host an International Dorje Shugden Forum where spiritual leaders who are currently practicing Dorje Shugden can share their experience an struggles, perform large scale pujas to Dorje Shguden for world peace and the spread of Dharma every where. Wouldn't that be great? Then we can various lineage lamas like Gangchen Rinpoche and other Lamas share about various aspects of Dorje Shugden and how it is beneficial. Finally, we have Dorje Shugden empowerment to the public by eminent Lamas like Trijang Rinpoche and so forth. This would be sort of the first Global Dorje Shugden Gathering. Maybe not now but perhaps this can happen one day.                                                                                   

that's a wonderful idea!

However, I wonder if maybe they don't do this purely for security and safety reasons. There are so many haters out there, who may very well use this opportunity to do a kind of Buddhist jihad against the DS lamas! I have heard that security was a very large part of why Trijang Rinpoche kept quite a low profile during his younger years (it is just ridiculous to me that someone would want to hurt a young tulku!) And other gatherings of DS lamas (such as the recent teachings by Trijang Rinpoche and celebrations) are not really known or publicly announced until after they have happened.

It is so sad that it has come to this. That people would have to be covert about coming together to do what can only be good things. Isn't it very sad that the world has come to a stage where we cannot even learn to rejoice in the Dharma learnings of others but see it as a threat... When really, all they are doing are to increase practices of compassion and wisdom! It is so sad to me that religion has become a means of creating more fear, more paranoia and more aggression. Even Buddhist and religious gatherings bring with it paranoia, fears, politics and aggression, like what has already been said here about the global Buddhist congregation a year ago. If this is what it creates in people, then perhaps it really is better not to do something public and on such a scale as this, but just continue to work as the DS lamas have been doing in the world. Having a big gathering might not always bring about proportionately big results - after all, if we only look at this example of this global buddhist gathering, we can see that nothing has really come of it. One year later, it's as good as dead news. Did it really create more benefit for Buddhists? For Shugden practitioners, who are also Buddhist, it certainly didn't. There's still the ban and still oppression. Global, hmph! indeed!
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: Ensapa on February 08, 2013, 10:43:58 AM
Somehow, I feel that Shar Ganden and Serpom could organize something of this scale. Or even Serkong Tritul Rinpoche, as well as NKT. Make a collaboration between all the Dorje Shugden friendly centers, Lamas and temples and have a yearly congregation. But the other problem about this idea would be the fact that many Dorje Shugden Lamas are actually practicing him underground so they would not like to be exposed as it might ruin their Dharma works if that was revealed now. After all there arent that many Gelug centers who practice him openly so perhaps, this is the wrong time but one day soon, the right time will come.
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: DharmaSpace on February 10, 2013, 05:40:45 PM
@Ensapa Yes I like the direction of your thoughts. The DS related organisations are huge and have a lot of resources. Having fairs/events like this will promote harmony amongst buddhist organisations. It will help to show the other buddhist organisations that Dorje Shugden practitioners are as Buddhist as any other Buddhists. Then when people out of their deep ignorance say DS is a demon, they will be well informed such claims are baseless and is due to political intrigue.


Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: Ensapa on April 05, 2013, 03:30:20 AM
@Ensapa Yes I like the direction of your thoughts. The DS related organisations are huge and have a lot of resources. Having fairs/events like this will promote harmony amongst buddhist organisations. It will help to show the other buddhist organisations that Dorje Shugden practitioners are as Buddhist as any other Buddhists. Then when people out of their deep ignorance say DS is a demon, they will be well informed such claims are baseless and is due to political intrigue.

A friend of mine in the east once told me that NKT and Khadampa Buddhist Association (Serkong Tritul's) once had a very successful joint exhibition of Buddhist relics in one of the eastern countries -- I dont remember which one but it was near singapore or something. If collaborations like that can exist, for sure there should be more of these collaborations and it would benefit more people when they come in contact with Dorje Shugden. But it would be extremely powerful for all the Dorje Shugden lamas to congregate somewhere and discuss on how to carry on the stainless unbroken tradition of Je Tsongkhapa, directly from Pabongkha Rinpoche, the undisputed Lama of the Gelug lineage. To deny him would be very sad indeed.
Title: Re: Global Buddhists
Post by: Dondrup Shugden on April 21, 2015, 09:24:36 AM
What a wonderful thought that all the Shugen Lamas will congregate at a similar place at the same time to show unity for our belief.

May be the reason why it has not happened yet may be the time is not right.  But I will keep this vision in mind and hope to create the cause for it to happen.