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Title: Shugden in trance recognizes a Tulku-see video
Post by: Admin on August 27, 2011, 04:40:09 PM

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This is peaceful Dorje Shugden (Dulzin) having taken trance in the Gameng Choyang Kuten in Shar Gaden Monastery's opening. All the monks and many people from around the world participated and also receive blessings from Dulzin. On this special occasion, Dulzin gave answers and prophecy to Shar Gaden and the abbot Ven Lobsang Pende sat and recorded everything by hand. The subtitle of this video is the translated  version of the prohecy given at the time. The administrative monks, senior monks and high lamas often consult Shugden via the oracle in modern times and for the last 350 years.  It is the step by step instructions Shugden gave to Shar Gaden from the begining that it formed in the first place. If Shugden did not give instructions via the oracle, Shar Gaden today would not have formed. Most likely for Serpom also as they consult their oracle (Panglung Kuten) who resides in Taiwan.

Interesting part, please see on this video 7:15 where Dulzin is blessing so many people and he pauses with one young monk. He throws blessed rice on his head, blows on his eyes, ears, face and crown of the head. To open the seeds of his imprints from previous incarnations.  Also he gave him blessed rice to eat daily. This is how Dulzin (Shugden) is recognizing a young reincarnated Tulku from the crowd. The next procedure is the head monk(s) will ask Dulzin (not in this video) his reincarnated name, status and enthrone him. This was a spontaneous recognition where Dulzin gives special attention to this young undiscovered (till now) Tulku. Also oracles are created by Shugden himself on occasion in this manner and the blessings are similar. This could be a Tulku or oracle. Both are blessed in this manner we are informed by the monks.

Sharing this old and unique tradition with all the devoted people on this forum.

Admin
Title: Re: Shugden in trance recognizes a Tulku-see video
Post by: Big Uncle on August 27, 2011, 05:44:18 PM
Wow! This is amazing to witness this and I am sure that Dorje Shugden is blessing and recognizing this boy as he has tremendous potential to benefit others. It is great that Tulkus are reincarnating amidst the Sangha of Shar Gaden. It would be beneficial to have more and more Tulkus manifest within Shar Gaden to uplift the monastery and thereby spread Dorje Shugden far and wide. Monasteries like Shar Gaden and Serpom would be at the forefront of the spread of Dorje Shugden practice in the future and will be the springboard from which Dorje Shugden will spread all over the world.
Title: Re: Shugden in trance recognizes a Tulku-see video
Post by: Zach on August 27, 2011, 07:39:02 PM
Wow such an amazing video !  :)
Title: Re: Shugden in trance recognizes a Tulku-see video
Post by: triesa on August 28, 2011, 05:28:59 AM
I have seen this video before but many thanks to the Admin for sharing this again with clear explanation on how a Tulku  is being recongized by Shugden.

I was also told that the constant wiping of the face by the oracle himself  with the red cloth is to clear the obstacles of the crowd. When Shugden comes in this peaceful form (Dulzin), he can stay for a longer time and also give extensive teachings besides answering to divinations. How compassionate DS is!



Title: Re: Shugden in trance recognizes a Tulku-see video
Post by: dsiluvu on August 28, 2011, 07:39:32 AM
Thank you admin for pointing out how DS recognises Tulkus and oracle. Definitely I've learnt something new today.
How extraordinary and kind DS is... so gentle like as though there was no trance at all. 

This website is so beneficial and educational. I've learnt so much about our great protector, masters, practice which are so priceless. And it has helped me and many I am sure in understanding and appreciating the precious treasure we've received. It has helped given hope, strengthen faith and answered so many questions that clear away doubts and confusion in this dark times.

Much gratitude to those who created and maintained this site. Please continue to do your great work...so many are benefiting from it!
Title: Re: Shugden in trance recognizes a Tulku-see video
Post by: Zach on August 28, 2011, 04:21:51 PM
Does anyone know what the reason is for when Shugden takes trance that there is the continous wiping of the face with a scarf or clothe  ?
Title: Re: Shugden in trance recognizes a Tulku-see video
Post by: dsiluvu on August 30, 2011, 05:58:24 AM
Does anyone know what the reason is for when Shugden takes trance that there is the continous wiping of the face with a scarf or clothe  ?

It is said by many Lamas that it is the protector's way of wiping our (group/individual's) negative karma that appears like a huge black cloud that hinders the protector from seeing clearly and helping us. Negative karma is from our side, arising from broken vows/commitments/samayas, such are our obstacles. This is what I've heard and understood from it.

Does anyone have another reason for it?
Title: Re: Shugden in trance recognizes a Tulku-see video
Post by: WisdomBeing on August 30, 2011, 03:08:34 PM
I love this video! It validates oracles and tulkus - after all, the great masters like His Holiness Trijang Rinpoche consulted oracles so how could oracles be a bad thing? Every oracle is specially chosen and trained by the High Lamas so that they are authentic. The Shugden oracles are taking trance of enlightened beings also, unlike the Nechung oracle, so whatever the oracle communicates must be real and authentic also. By logic, as the oracle is authentic, his identification of Tulkus must also be authentic, and it was lovely to see that in this video.
Title: Re: Shugden in trance recognizes a Tulku-see video
Post by: WoselTenzin on August 30, 2011, 04:27:17 PM
Thank you Admin for sharing and explaining this video to us.  If not for this video, I would never have known such phenomenon exists.  An enlightened deity Dorje Shugden taking trance and recognising a young tulku. How incredible! It's amazing that DS actually shows his omnicience thru an oracle.

Even though the young tulku was never recognised before, he somehow has the karma to be recognized eventually. It is really good news indeed. Another tulku coming back to help sentient beings in samsara. How wonderful. May this Tulku fulfill his destiny of becoming a great teacher and lead many sentient beings out of suffering.
Title: Re: Shugden in trance recognizes a Tulku-see video
Post by: vajrastorm on September 03, 2011, 01:26:53 AM
Thank you for sharing this beautiful video showing an old and sacred tradition. It is indeed amazing how(at the official opening of Shar Gaden) Dulzin Shugden , through an oracle, could spontaneously identify and discover a young incarnate Tulku. This truly renews one's faith in Tulkus and Oracles.

it is truly truly amazing how Dulzin Shugden could spot a young incarnate Tulku (till now unknown and undiscovered) from such a big crowd. In the midst of blessing the crowd of people, he "pauses with (this ) young monk and throws blessed rice on his head, blows on his eyes, face and crown on head." , thus signifying that he had identified and discovered a new incarnate Tulku! Furthermore, he gives the young monk blessed rice to take daily to open up his imprints from previous incarnation!

I bow in body, speech and mind to the most compassionate Dulzin Shugden.     
   
Title: Re: Shugden in trance recognizes a Tulku-see video
Post by: Ratna Shugden on September 09, 2011, 12:17:25 AM
I have typed out  Dorje Shugden's prophecy to Shar Gaden Monastery as featured in the video, for the ease of reference for all who are here, enjoy!



Hri!
With karmas sowed and prayers made time and again;
kind masters and their scions rarer than the rarest;
This essence of the Dharma, the most profound of the profound;
Remember it's hard to meet these again and again as now,
That part of the Joyful Monastery of the eight joys,
Split of it into an east and a west;
If this separation has been motivated by the will
to accomplish that ultimate goal of the sacred Dharma – Towards that aim of the vast Sangha assembly,
As divinities of a Mandala, or milk and water blending as one;
Accomplish this, and focus on hearing and contemplation.
To Strive towards this, in matters spiritual and temporal Seniors should guide, junior should comply,
as in the precepts;
of seniority among ranks in the administration,
Look at the layer, of feathers, on a bird – If these are done, this and the future will be meaningful;
The required resources will increase as the summer sea;
Despair I have none in this,
If religion is on the lips, and politics in the heart, How can happiness both here and the future be possible?
That which is known as the 'Teaching' is the doorway To the ultimate objective, and towards benefit and joy of migratory sentient beings.
Not knowing this, not reflecting in this manner, with selfish aims
If the Dharma and the Sangha are impaired, I have no hesitation to command my hosts and Protectors of the Dharma to act
Contemplate this.

Title: Re: Shugden in trance recognizes a Tulku-see video
Post by: kris on September 10, 2011, 09:03:54 PM
I watched a video of wrathful Lord Shugden took trance yesterday. This is so much "peaceful".

If bad spirit can posses a body, why can't a good being take trance? I thank my guru who shared this with me.
Title: Re: Shugden in trance recognizes a Tulku-see video
Post by: Barzin on September 12, 2011, 05:49:50 PM
Wow!  what a nice video!  It is nice to see many people getting blessed by the precious protector.  Of course, our precious protector can already see the young monk as an incarnation.  If Shugden is an evil spirit, he can't be sitting on a throne and identify a tulku!  May Dorje Shugden practice continue to spread :)
Title: Re: Shugden in trance recognizes a Tulku-see video
Post by: Aurore on September 12, 2011, 09:14:33 PM
Yet another recognized Tulku who chooses to reincarnate back into a monastery who might grow up to spread DS.
Very exciting.  ;D Does anyone know how does a young monk make his choice to study in Shar Gaden instead of Gaden Shartse? Do you think he had to make a choice or he didn't have a choice?
Title: Re: Shugden in trance recognizes a Tulku-see video
Post by: Big Uncle on September 13, 2011, 04:07:17 AM
I have typed out  Dorje Shugden's prophecy to Shar Gaden Monastery as featured in the video, for the ease of reference for all who are here, enjoy!



Hri!
With karmas sowed and prayers made time and again;
kind masters and their scions rarer than the rarest;
This essence of the Dharma, the most profound of the profound;
Remember it's hard to meet these again and again as now,
That part of the Joyful Monastery of the eight joys,
Split of it into an east and a west;
If this separation has been motivated by the will
to accomplish that ultimate goal of the sacred Dharma – Towards that aim of the vast Sangha assembly,
As divinities of a Mandala, or milk and water blending as one;
Accomplish this, and focus on hearing and contemplation.
To Strive towards this, in matters spiritual and temporal Seniors should guide, junior should comply,
as in the precepts;
of seniority among ranks in the administration,
Look at the layer, of feathers, on a bird – If these are done, this and the future will be meaningful;
The required resources will increase as the summer sea;
Despair I have none in this,
If religion is on the lips, and politics in the heart, How can happiness both here and the future be possible?
That which is known as the 'Teaching' is the doorway To the ultimate objective, and towards benefit and joy of migratory sentient beings.
Not knowing this, not reflecting in this manner, with selfish aims
If the Dharma and the Sangha are impaired, I have no hesitation to command my hosts and Protectors of the Dharma to act
Contemplate this.



Thank you. It is amazing how compassionate this Protector is and all he thinks of is the propagation and preservation of the Dharma. His message is deep and yet very accessible to many. He gives practical advice that resonate with this listener and offers profound protection. He recognises Tulkus and his recognition is spot on! Look at one of the Tulkus he recognized in the past, Lama Zopa Rinpoche. He is the head of FMPT and doing amazing work to spread the Dharma all over the world.
Title: Re: Shugden in trance recognizes a Tulku-see video
Post by: whitelion on September 14, 2011, 01:47:19 AM
this is RARE. Personally i'm got so into about this video, i never see any oracle taking trance before, and I'm so lucky to watch this i must said. I think by watching this video can bring me good luck.

This is a wisdom practice from 350 years ago, and it's still preserved very well today, if all the all the high lama have no doubts with the oracle, we shouldn't too. We might not have the chance to meet Lord Dulzin in our previous life, but through oracle, we are able to communicate with Lord Dulzin or DS directly, this is wonderful and blessed. I'm rejoice.

I could tell this our protector is very very compassionate to all the students, oracle actually gave advise for the monastery, and also recognizes the tulku or another oracle. Oracle actually helps all the students a lot in all time, I believe the young sangha who was blessed in this video will benefit a lot of others in the future

thanks for sharing such a good video
Title: Re: Shugden in trance recognizes a Tulku-see video
Post by: Dondrup Shugden on March 08, 2015, 12:26:49 PM
In the translation of the prophecy that Dorje Shugden predicted for Shar Ganden these lines caught my attention.

"If religion is on the lips, and politics in the heart, How can happiness both here and the future be possible?
That which is known as the 'Teaching' is the doorway To the ultimate objective, and towards benefit and joy of migratory sentient beings.
Not knowing this, not reflecting in this manner, with selfish aims
If the Dharma and the Sangha are impaired, I have no hesitation to command my hosts and Protectors of the Dharma to act
Contemplate this."

Is this a prophecy and advice from Dorje Shugden not to be political but to only concentrate in the Dharma so as to preserve the Dharma and teach to migrating beings. If this is not complied then Dorje Shugden will not hesitate to act to have it corrected.

Is this also a prediction that if CTA does not lift the Ban, Dorje Shugden will do something to make it possible for the Dharma to grow and have the ban lifted.

I hope that what I am contemplating is correct and the ban will be lifted soon.
Title: Re: Shugden in trance recognizes a Tulku-see video
Post by: Kim Hyun Jae on March 08, 2015, 02:47:40 PM
This is a very rare video filmed of the peaceful Oracle taking trance and recognized a young "tulku" in the midst of the sangha present. This is evident from this video that Dultzin aka Dorje Shugden has its ability to also recognize "tulkus" and had been used by the monastery in the last 350 years or more.

This also caught my eye on the prediction, "If religion is on the lips, and politics in the heart, How can happiness both here and the future be possible?
That which is known as the 'Teaching' is the doorway To the ultimate objective, and towards benefit and joy of migratory sentient beings.
Not knowing this, not reflecting in this manner, with selfish aims
If the Dharma and the Sangha are impaired, I have no hesitation to command my hosts and Protectors of the Dharma to act.
Contemplate this."

and it also got me thinking Immediately linking this to the current "ban" on Dorje Shugden by HHDL especially when Dulzin referred to "religion is on the lips" but the "politics" is in the heart - which is exactly what HHDL is doing in the world spreading dharma but on the other hand, there is also the politics that exists between Tibet and China that has not been resolved till now.

But I am glad that Dulzin also said - he will NOT hesitate to command his hosts and Protectors of the Dharma to act!

Wow! I look forward toward that Day to happen - that is, for the Ban on Dorje Shugden to be lifted soon.

This video is so timely shared here and thank you for it.

Title: Re: Shugden in trance recognizes a Tulku-see video
Post by: christine V on March 08, 2015, 03:50:31 PM
This is truly rare video ! Thanks for sharing. I thought Dulzin seldom take trance. The video i use to watch was Dorje Shugden take trances.
This video is auspicious where another Tulku is being recognize!
May the lamp of Lama Tsongkhapa shine forever to all direction and more people able to practice dharma
Title: Re: Shugden in trance recognizes a Tulku-see video
Post by: Pema8 on March 11, 2015, 08:55:57 AM
This video is amazing. Taking trance is very special and the oracle has to be trained for a long time and has to do keep up samayas, retreats and practices for his/her whole life.
I was wondering too why he uses the cloth to wipe his face. Thank you for explaining that it is to clear our negative karma, obstacles and delusions.

Here is an interesting link "Becoming a Divine Messenger: How oracles are created" http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/dharma-readings/becoming-a-divine-messenger-how-oracles-are-created/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/dharma-readings/becoming-a-divine-messenger-how-oracles-are-created/)