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Title: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: WoselTenzin on July 10, 2011, 10:49:23 AM
There are people who refuse to take responsibility for their work.  They do their barest minimum and most of the time ask for help, delegate their work and push their responsibility to others. Sometimes they even take all the credit when the work is done.  The sum of this all is what we call not taking ownership or responsibility.

If a person is supposed to be Buddhist and he/she falls under the above category, is he/she practising Dharma?
 
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: Rihanna on July 10, 2011, 03:34:22 PM
When one truly practices the dharma, it gives you strength and fortitude to face obstacles. Those who constantly pushes away responsibility, takes credit for other's work, etc think that they have won by taking the easy way out but unfortunately they fail because when faced with an obstacle they are unable to get out of it. How long can they fool others?
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: valeriecheung on July 10, 2011, 05:24:57 PM
I believe all this lack of resposibility people is all around us which we unable to change them , i think also practising dharma how to accept them and let them realize their bad attitude. Hahah...
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: pgdharma on July 11, 2011, 08:58:44 AM
A true practitioner will never be selective or push their work to others.  They will take full responsibility for their work.
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: Tenzin K on July 11, 2011, 04:10:59 PM
Personally to me whether you practice dharma, in general we should take responsibility for all our work. To me this is a very common and universal. If we are a dharma practitioner taking responsibility should not even a question.

Doing our work well by not letting other people have to redo our work is responsibility and is dharma.

Dharma teaches us to benefit people. If other people have to spend so much time to redo or do correction to our work that is selfish, waste the time for others to do better things for benefiting others.

If we can't even be responsible to our own work how can we be responsible to help others and how can we be a dharma practitioner…..
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: triesa on July 13, 2011, 03:04:07 PM
Obviously one is not ptactising dharma if one does not take responsibility for their work.

I have also heard that, if there are many works available, normally one would choose the work that is easy and less troublesome to do, but for a really good dharma practitioner, he/she would let the others choose the easy tasks and pick the most difficult one, ot he pick the one no one will choose....

It is almost like you have all the good food on the table, and you let everyone have their go for their favourite pick first and then you pick what is left.
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: WoselTenzin on July 14, 2011, 07:17:59 AM

Doing our work well by not letting other people have to redo our work is responsibility and is dharma.

Dharma teaches us to benefit people. If other people have to spend so much time to redo or do correction to our work that is selfish, waste the time for others to do better things for benefiting others.

If we can't even be responsible to our own work how can we be responsible to help others and how can we be a dharma practitioner…..

What you said is so true Tenzin K.  Everything boils down to whether our actions benefit others or cause others more problems. 

Taking responsibility for our work, doing it all the way and not pushing it onto others is definitely Dharma because we do not burden others and create problems for them. This is one way of benefiting others. 

However, if we do not take responsibility for our work, push it onto other or make errors that others have to correct, we are burdening others and and taking their time away from doing what could have been more productive and beneficial for them.  In this instance, not only we are not benefiting others, we create problems for others.  In such instances, we are definitely not practising Dharma.

 
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: pgdharma on July 14, 2011, 03:46:16 PM

Doing our work well by not letting other people have to redo our work is responsibility and is dharma.

Dharma teaches us to benefit people. If other people have to spend so much time to redo or do correction to our work that is selfish, waste the time for others to do better things for benefiting others.

If we can't even be responsible to our own work how can we be responsible to help others and how can we be a dharma practitioner…..

What you said is so true Tenzin K.  Everything boils down to whether our actions benefit others or cause others more problems. 

Taking responsibility for our work, doing it all the way and not pushing it onto others is definitely Dharma because we do not burden others and create problems for them. This is one way of benefiting others. 

However, if we do not take responsibility for our work, push it onto other or make errors that others have to correct, we are burdening others and and taking their time away from doing what could have been more productive and beneficial for them.  In this instance, not only we are not benefiting others, we create problems for others.  In such instances, we are definitely not practising Dharma.

 
Totally agreed with you. When we take responsibility for our work, it is real dharma practice. If we are sloppy and neglect what we are supposed to do, it shows that we are not putting effort in our pursuit for our spiritual growth. When we are  lazy, laid back or irresponsible we are definitely creating problems and not benefiting others.Thus we should change ourselves first to be responsible before we can help and transform others.
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: sahara on July 14, 2011, 05:30:03 PM
If we practicing dharma,we should resposibility for our work don't let your teacher or other people to push u and doing halfway.....If we do not take resposibility for our work, we also create the problems to others too  >:( So, we should do it all the way.... to take this resposibility to become a good Dharma practitioner....... :)
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: diamond girl on July 16, 2011, 06:53:31 PM
There are people who refuse to take responsibility for their work.  They do their barest minimum and most of the time ask for help, delegate their work and push their responsibility to others. Sometimes they even take all the credit when the work is done.  The sum of this all is what we call not taking ownership or responsibility.

If a person is supposed to be Buddhist and he/she falls under the above category, is he/she practising Dharma?
 

Very simply the answer to the question is NO.
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: Reena Searl on July 28, 2011, 12:58:24 AM
Taking responsibility , to take charge of our work, not to push the responsibility to others is an act of mindfulness and gaining respect.
if we truly practicing dharma, then TAKE RESPONSIBILITY should not be an issue.
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: Reena Searl on July 28, 2011, 04:13:57 AM
To me, If you do not take responsibility for your work and burden others is UNREAL, FATE dharma.
Always wanting people to push or remind on the work simply because lacking care and selfish act..

Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: Positive Change on July 28, 2011, 08:24:06 AM
The answer to this question is a definitive NO. Why? The way I understand it is, if we are practising Dharma, we are ultimately trying to help others... hence if we do not take responsibility for our work, we create extra work for others and ourselves and hence it is counter productive to what we are trying to achieve.

Being responsible for our work is not simply just making sure our work is done but also taking ownership of the overall vision of our Dharma practice. What does this mean? Very simply thinking out of the box, focusing out more and seeing things as a totality and not just what is on our plates. Easier said then done? Not really... because it really means caring more and that should be innate. It is just that we have been so conditioned with our bad habituations of the self, we have "forgotten" to care...
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: Klein on January 10, 2012, 06:37:33 AM

Doing our work well by not letting other people have to redo our work is responsibility and is dharma.

Dharma teaches us to benefit people. If other people have to spend so much time to redo or do correction to our work that is selfish, waste the time for others to do better things for benefiting others.

If we can't even be responsible to our own work how can we be responsible to help others and how can we be a dharma practitioner…..

What you said is so true Tenzin K.  Everything boils down to whether our actions benefit others or cause others more problems. 

Taking responsibility for our work, doing it all the way and not pushing it onto others is definitely Dharma because we do not burden others and create problems for them. This is one way of benefiting others. 

However, if we do not take responsibility for our work, push it onto other or make errors that others have to correct, we are burdening others and and taking their time away from doing what could have been more productive and beneficial for them.  In this instance, not only we are not benefiting others, we create problems for others.  In such instances, we are definitely not practising Dharma.

 

I totally agree with you WoselTenzin. Burdening others is not an act of compassion. Hence it is not practising dharma. There is no doubt to this.

Many people nowadays do not see the problems they create for themselves when they continue to be irresponsible. As time goes by, they will create more problems for people around them and for themselves. At the end of the day, no one wants to be around them. So they become old, lonely and bitter. By that time, it's even more difficult to change their selfish ways as their bad habits are deeply ingrained.

It's best to arrest our selfish and irresponsible ways now before it becomes almost impossible to change for the better.
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: Poonlarp on January 11, 2012, 07:25:57 AM
When people is not taking responsible to their work, they don't really have the motivation to practice Dharma, and if these people are working in Dharma environment, it's very ridiculous. I came across some people like these and my question to them is "Why you join dharma work?", some of their answer are "to have peace of mind". In my heart I laugh because I think you will not have a peace of mind if you join Dharma to have a peace of mind. You will have much more problems than secular work as you are bringing a peace of mind to people, so the problems you face will be double, it includes ours and others people problems.

I totally agree with valeriecheung said, it's also our practice to work around people who has no responsibility in work, hehe...maybe in our previous life we caused these problems to people, so it's time to purify the negative karma now.
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: Big Uncle on January 11, 2012, 09:15:58 AM
This is where our sadhanas, recitations and lamrim study comes into play. How much responsibility we take upon ourselves and do our work well reflects our mind and our Dharma practice. If we are sloppy, irresponsible and do not wish to do a good job. Then, we should change our jobs because our work reflect our dissatisfaction with it or we should whip ourselves to shape and start doing the work that is up to par with expectations. Our practice is to benefit others always and if we can't, we should at least not harm others with our irresponsibility.
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: biggyboy on July 01, 2012, 06:01:42 PM
Dharma service is a means for us to practise and transform ourselves into better person so as to benefit others. So the answer to whether we are practising dharma if we do not take responsibility for our work is a big NO.

If we do not take responsibility for our work, we will burden other people into completing our half completed, sloppy work. 

As a dharma practitioner, the question of taking responsibility for our work does not exist. To take full responsibility of our work is part and parcel of Dharma practice.
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: bambi on July 03, 2012, 03:15:19 PM
There are people who refuse to take responsibility for their work.  They do their barest minimum and most of the time ask for help, delegate their work and push their responsibility to others. Sometimes they even take all the credit when the work is done.  The sum of this all is what we call not taking ownership or responsibility.

If a person is supposed to be Buddhist and he/she falls under the above category, is he/she practising Dharma?

Sad to say that secular work is just like that. No meaning, just purely working for money and more attachment. We can't blame them. Selfish and ignorant. I know people who are like that. They just scold and yell at people while they sit down and take all the credit. How convenient! Unless the company belongs to them, there is no such word called ownership.

There are also people who practice and say that they are Buddhists but there are many levels of commitment as well. Doesn't mean that they are taking ownership even if they are practicing Dharma. We cannot judge them as they all have different mind and levels of understanding. For now, we just have to bear it and remind ourselves to do better.
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: brian on July 03, 2012, 06:05:35 PM
Taking responsibility of your work is merely to not burden other people because you did not do your work properly. For this simple reason and motivation, one should always have this in mind that nobody is supposed to follow up on the work given to you. Taking responsibility for your work should come with a matured mind i guess, by thinking of  not going to make another person suffer of having to correct you on what you did not do and ended up the person has to do it for you. If one does not take responsibility of your work, how will that person ever be successful in his/her life?
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: Jessie Fong on July 04, 2012, 04:55:13 AM
Taking responsibility is acknowledging that you have a task at hand, that you will see it through until it is completed.  If anything should go wrong, then you have to ensure that they get corrected.  Doing your work is your responsibility to yourself and to your employer.  You were entasked a job by your employer and you are expected to do it well.  That is your commitment.

If we relate Dharma to the teachings of Buddha, then we should examine : did Buddha teach us NOT to take responsibility?  Definitely the answer is a NO.  Since He did not teach that, then not taking responsibility is not practising Dharma.
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: AnneQ on July 08, 2012, 09:56:19 AM
In order to practice Dharma and do Dharma work, we must be responsible and work hard. To take responsibility for our work we must also take ownership and work hard. Hence, one complements the other and each (ie. Dharma and Responsibility ) cannot function without the other. Otherwise, there will be a contradiction and each becomes meaningless.
So to answer the question : No, we are not practicing Dharma if we do not take responsibility for our work. It is as simple as that.
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: DSFriend on July 08, 2012, 10:25:37 AM
This is a prevalent problem where we see this trait in ourselves, in our siblings, friends, and colleagues. This negative quality of not taking responsibility does not just "show up" at our work place alone but all other facets of our lives and what we do. Perhaps the cause could be out of laziness, forgetfulness, or a million other reasons but no doubt stems from our own deep selfishness.

Not taking responsibility is an effect of selfishness, is sign of lack of Dharma practice. Can a selfish mind develop compassion, a necessary quality to become a Buddha? I think selfishness will need to be rid off in order to make room from compassion.
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: Manjushri on July 08, 2012, 11:05:24 AM
What does Dharma teach you? To be responsible FOR yourself, for your own actions, because there is a thing called karma. It teaches you to serve others tirelessly, to benefit others, to work harmoniously and with much integrity.

If you do not take responsibility for your work, you burden others in all ways possible and yourself eventually, because that habit will become more and more prevalent, and people would not tolerate it. As a Dharma practitioner, one should work towards taking the responsibility and burden from others, and the very reason why you do more work, take responsibility of your work, is so that others can do less. Buddha doesn't teach one to burden others, but to alleviate their burdens and sufferings. Therefore, if your actions are not aligned with that, how much Dharma is on practising?
Title: Re: Are you practising Dharma if you do not take responsibility for your work?
Post by: Dorje Pakmo on July 08, 2012, 09:20:49 PM
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There are people who refuse to take responsibility for their work.  They do their barest minimum and most of the time ask for help, delegate their work and push their responsibility to others. Sometimes they even take all the credit when the work is done.  The sum of this all is what we call not taking ownership or responsibility.

If a person is supposed to be Buddhist and he/she falls under the above category, is he/she practising Dharma?

Definitely not.
If a person claims to be Buddhist, then he / she should know the law of Karma. A Buddhist should know that everything we experience is the results of our actions. Being indifferent, irresponsible and taking credit of a successful work done by others is a very SELFISH behavior.

One may get away with such behavior for a while or even quite many times. But every time a negative action like this “SUCCEEDS”. It also means one has successfully deducted good merits accumulated from previous positive actions. Each time the individual successfully pulls a stunt of CHEATING, BEING LAZY or IRRESPONSIBLE, etc. will feed and strengthen his / her negative behavior. This behavior in turn becomes a habit. He / she may get away many time undetected and not experience any unpleasantness, depending on the GOOD MERIT he / she have to OFFSET the negative karma each time it ripens. It is only a matter of time before the good merits runs dry and Karma kicks into action. But by that time, it will be very hard for that person to change, because the negative habituation has become so strong, it is natural to do the opposite of good.

One should understand that whatever we experience is from ourselves. Our experience is created and ended by ourselves. And by not blaming other and giving ourselves excuses, we will take responsibility and do all we are supposed to without burdening others to do it for us. By taking responsibility and doing our work well, people will naturally like us and cooperate with us thus, making work easier and more efficient. Practicing Dharma means doing things for others and doing it happily. So the people who claim they are practicing Dharma, but are lazy, always hiding and not responsible, is actually practicing the opposite of Dharma. Samsara.