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Title: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: thaimonk on June 02, 2011, 11:20:08 PM
(From recent posts, it seems Lama Zopa will take much more time to heal than forseen. Many more months of physio therapy to go. And looks like Lama Zopa does not wish to heal himself so soon. Perhaps it is to get send 'sympathy' signals to Lama Osel? What I mean is to let Lama Osel see there is no one to take over FPMT should anything happen to Lama Zopa, so Lama Osel should come back to FPMT's fold perhaps. Just a thought.
-from my previous post on May 12, 2011 on this thread: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1163.msg14866  -Thaimonk)


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I posted the above on May 12, 2011 and it is confirmed now in my mind that Lama Zopa is purposely manifesting illness and long recovery for many reasons of which one is to 'woo' Lama Yeshe's incarnation Lama Osel back. Guess what? Lama Osel (26)  and his musician friend Gomo Tulku (23 standing-pictured below)  flew to Australia to meet Lama Zopa (65) recently..

If Lama Zopa 'remains sick', it might have powerful causes to bring Lama Osel back to FPMT's fold. Remember Lama Osel wanted nothing to do with FMPT since he disrobed and moved back to Spain from Sera Jey Monastery.  

Since Lama Zopa's illness, Lama Osel is now making an effort to meet Lama Zopa.

Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: Helena on June 03, 2011, 06:35:27 AM
Wow...thanks for the picture and this post, Thai Monk!

Whether it is true or not that Lama Zopa is manifesting illness and the un-willingness to recover or heal himself as you pointed out, the fact remains that it has brought Lama Osel to him, even if it is for a visit, for now. Something has to give, or start.

I must say when you first posted that comment (and suggested that Lama Zopa could be just 'staying' ill in order to display how there is no leadership in FPMT after Lama Zopa's passing if Lama Osel does not return), it really got me thinking. High lamas would indeed subject themselves to many things just to deliver a real teaching to his students, or even to make a point seen and heard.

The picture of the two great Lamas together again really brought tears to my eyes.

I don't know if Lama Osel will really return, but I am really glad that the student has returned to visit the Guru or vice versa.

Thank you again for sharing this. It is most heart warming to see.

And I sincerely pray that FPMT will know how to reciprocate from here on to enable Lama Osel to stay. Here is their golden chance to turn things around. We may not always be so lucky to have second chances and opportunities to turn things around. Let's hope FPMT will know how to do the right thing, the most beneficial thing to create the causes for their Lama Osel to return and remain.

Otherwise, it would be a great shame because FPMT has many centers and has done a good job in spreading the Dharma up till now. It would be a great loss for Dharma if they do not continue 'turning the wheel of Dharma' in their own way.

I mean no disrespect to anyone here. Just sharing my own two cents' worth.
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: Positive Change on June 03, 2011, 06:38:25 AM
This is a really heartwarming picture. One could almost see/feel the 'conversation' they are having with their eyes. Truly remarkable that if indeed one of the reasons Lama Zopa manifested his illness to 'woo' Lama Osel back because it seems to be 'working'. It amazes me the intricate (or so it seems to my humble understanding) web of methods stemming from care and a higher purpose which highly attained beings use to weave their plan of action to benefit others.

From the picture, I did not know of Gomo Tulku so out of curiousity I went on the internet to look for more information about this young tulku and this is an interesting extract I found:

The young tulku says his 23 reincarnations as a high lama do not include what may be many more reincarnations - infinite reincarnations, he says - as other humans and other beings.

To be a tulku, he says, is to think not just of this life but the next. "Every next life you try to get higher, higher, higher. It's hard to get enlightened in one life."


What more mere specs like myself... This I found interesting because on one hand we have such attained beings 'playing' these seemingly natural/samsaric 'games' if you like to kick us into realisations... Hence, I do agree that Lama Zopa has indeed, without a doubt, a much larger agenda/purpose apart from being just a seemingly sick monk.

Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: Namdrol on June 03, 2011, 07:48:42 AM
Thaimonk was right, no reason why a high lama like Lama Zopa can become so sick unless there is a bigger purpose, things are getting clearer now...
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: WisdomBeing on June 03, 2011, 08:08:43 AM
I was so touched to see the photo of Lama Zopa and Lama Osel! Thank you so much for sharing that. This forum is soooo amazing.. i tried to google for more info about this historic meeting and the first (and only) item found was from this forum!

It's so lovely to see these two Lamas together again - and I am sure they will be together somehow even though physically apart - after all, they have attainments that we don't have. I do hope Lama Osel will return to Dharma again and whatever plan they have together - it will come to pass. After all, Lama Osel as Lama Yeshe's incarnation, is the heir apparent to FPMT. What happens to FPMT when Lama Zopa enters clear light? Though that I hope is a long time coming, it IS inevitable. And i wonder - is Lama Osel a Shugden practitioner? Was that why he distanced himself from FPMT when the anti-Shugden mandate went out?
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: triesa on June 03, 2011, 10:06:37 AM
Thaimonk, you are right....the manifestation of sickness and the deliberately slow recovery from Lama Zopa has indeed "woo" Lama Osel back. Whether Lama Osel would stay long or come back to FPMT or not really depends on his students there. Lama Zopa has created such a golden opportunity for FPMT and do they need more hints to do the right thing next?

When great minds meet and when Lama Zopa and Lama Oser see eye to eye, it is almost like "there is no need more to say, silence is golden....."



Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: dsiluvu on June 03, 2011, 05:20:50 PM
OMB!!! This is so super SUPER Surprise and amazingly WONDERFUL to see this picture!!! Thank you Thai Monk!

This picture says so much and what you say is definitely possible. It also makes me realise how wise and kind Lama Zopa is to use his body for the benefit of preserving the Dharma, FPMT, his students and the future. This is a remarkable picture that speaks a thousand words! I hope that whatever the cause that created FPMT to loose Lama Yeshe will be quickly quickly realised by the students and that they will make amends fast. That would really speed things up and Lama Zopa recover and well, a big chance of Lama Osel returning to FPMT!!!

Whatever it is said about high Lamas is so so true. I truly hope if there are students from FPMT here in this forum, they would see this, rejoice and quickly find ways to amend any broken samayas.

Lama Osel is young, smart and can really benefit so many on a very big scale. He will be the next generation of highly attained Lamas, that can guide us to Enlightenment, it would be so stupid of us if we miss this chance of having him teach again.
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: iloveds on June 03, 2011, 08:30:23 PM
This is great to see. High Lamas together again. I'm not going to get my hopes upon seeing this. But in a world of politcs and broken samaya these two can come together again away from FMPT and all its problems.

Hope there are many more pictures of the surprise visit or a video. Lama Osel, when i first heard of that name so long ago I wondered if things just follow a natural progression, where one Lama enters clearlight, the other takes over. Its the stuff of movies. May the force be with you.

Great teaching to us all. I know many people will be happy to see this photograph.
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: WoselTenzin on June 03, 2011, 10:43:56 PM
It's such heart warming news to hear about Lama Osel's surprise visit to Lama Zopa who is unwell at this moment.  The sickness manifested by Lama Zopa could be his skilful means to bring back the successor of FPMT with the hopes that he will lead FPMT when Lama Zopa himself has passed into clear light one day among other reasons. 

Perhaps, this is the only way to bring Lama Osel back as he has already disrobed and does not want to have anything to do with FPMT. 
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: heartjewel on June 05, 2011, 07:59:26 AM
Thank you Thai monk for posting the picure of Lama Osel visiting Lama Zopa. If I remember I hads recently posted that Lama Osel will go back to visit and see Lama Zopa. The consciousness of Lama Yeshe will still remain in his reincarnation of Lama Osel. Thai monk is right in saying that Lama Zopa has manifested his illness to show Lama Osel that he should visit Lama Zopa as an indication of his Guru devotion. Its just a thought. Lama Osel may want to change his  mind stay put with Lama Zopa to help him as Lama Zopa is still sick. Lama Osel may want to find peace and quietness again after his experience in the Samsara life. Nothing can be permanent. Minds can change. I wish this change will  be a reality for the sake of FPMT to survive to still carry on the Lineage of Lama Tsongkapa and continue to spread the Dharma teachings.     
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: WisdomBeing on June 05, 2011, 05:30:26 PM
This is a photo of Lama Zopa on May 29th. It was Lama Zopa's first time out publically, introducing Khadro la, Osel and Gomo Rinpoche to the Great Stupa of Universal Compassion, Bendigo, Australia. The photo is a bit small but it's as posted on http://www.fpmt.org/teachers/zopa/rinpoches-health-updates-and-practices.html.

I wish there were more photos - if anyone finds anymore, do share them!
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: DSFriend on June 05, 2011, 05:52:30 PM
I was so touched to see the photo of Lama Zopa and Lama Osel! Thank you so much for sharing that. This forum is soooo amazing.. i tried to google for more info about this historic meeting and the first (and only) item found was from this forum!

It's so lovely to see these two Lamas together again - and I am sure they will be together somehow even though physically apart - after all, they have attainments that we don't have. I do hope Lama Osel will return to Dharma again and whatever plan they have together - it will come to pass. After all, Lama Osel as Lama Yeshe's incarnation, is the heir apparent to FPMT. What happens to FPMT when Lama Zopa enters clear light? Though that I hope is a long time coming, it IS inevitable. And i wonder - is Lama Osel a Shugden practitioner? Was that why he distanced himself from FPMT when the anti-Shugden mandate went out?


Looking at this picture posted by thaimonk makes my heart fill with much hope for the students of FPMT and at the same time, the feeling of joy to see the devotion and respect lama osel and lama zopa have towards each other.

I do not doubt at all that these beings are extraordinary with attainments and reason to incarnate is purely to benefit us. I pray that students with karmic affinity with Lama Osel and Lama Zopa will create all the necessary causes to be close to, study and serve these great beings.
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: dsiluvu on June 06, 2011, 04:54:12 AM
Here is another beautiful picture I found of Lama Zopa with Osel...

This is a clear nice close up one of the two great masters :)

Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: vajrastorm on June 06, 2011, 05:52:05 AM
Thank you, Thaimonk , for sharing news and picture of this most highly significant  occasion  with us – Lama Osel, reincarnation of Lama  Yeshe(the founder of FPMT) visiting Lama Zopa (Lama Yeshe’s successor as head and Spiritual Guide to FPMT), who recently suffered a severe stroke and is recovering in Australia.

Whatever the outcome of this visit will be, I think a strong message is being sent to FPMT members that they must not just sit back now and wait for Lama Zopa to recover. Whether Lama Osel will return to FPMT and take over the reins when Lama Zopa has to relinquish it, members of FPMT must create the cause for this to happen.

At the heart of all this, is the strong commitment of all practitioners of the Gelugpa lineage to ensure the preservation and spread  of Lama Tsongkapa’s precious teachings - which are so vital for this degenerate age - through their Lamas and their centers.
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: WisdomBeing on June 09, 2011, 07:01:21 PM
thanks dsiiluvu! Here are two more pics to share....
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: dsiluvu on June 10, 2011, 05:25:15 PM
Thanks WB,

I really like seeing all these pictures of Lama Zopa and Lama Osel so much. I truly pray and hope that Lama Osel will come back and revive fpmt like the way it was last time!

Looks like Lama Zopa's manifestation of illness does have an impact on Lama Osel and has created many fold of blessings and lessons to be learnt.

A great Lama even when sick creates so much merits for us all!

Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: thor on June 13, 2011, 10:57:47 AM
Thanks guys for all the photos.

I personally like this photo of Lama Osel very much. Despite having given back his robes, he remains true to the spirit of Dharma, and for me, this picture speaks volumes.

** taken at Lama Yeshe Stupa. Also goes to show that dorje shugden practitioners do reincarnate in good situations, so what's all that nonsense about worshipping a demon and going to hell?
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: WisdomBeing on June 13, 2011, 12:41:40 PM
Very nice pic, Thor... yes i agree with you.. Lama Osel, like Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche, remain true to the Dharma regardless of whether they are in robes or not. All the great Lamas have reincarnated back... some are just waiting in the wings, waiting for the right time to emerge into the sunshine... may it be soon!
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: shugdenpromoter on June 15, 2011, 02:08:01 PM
This is such good news on Lama Osel visiting Lama Zopa.

From the body language of Lama Osel, it shows that he still have so much respect for Lama Zopa. Now is the time for all Lama Zopa and Lama Yeshe students to repair their samaya with their teacher. It is so important for some to truly regret what they have done wrong and not make Lama Osel's visit a temporal one.

I'm sure if Kopan Monastery is to start practicing Dorje Shugden again,the chances of Lama Osel staying and being guided by Lama Zopa to take over and to teach is so high.   

Maybe, Kopan Monastery should get another Dorje Shugden statue similar to the one Lama Yeshe has (pls click attached to see statue) and offer it up to Lama Osel.  :)


http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=8

Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: DSFriend on June 15, 2011, 02:25:22 PM
Much appreciation for the few new pictures posted up by Wisdom Being and Dsiluvu!

We are told that Dorje Shugden practitioners cannot be with non- Dorje Shugden practitioners. the segregation in the monastery made such a huge impact that it "split" the sangha members, and families suffered so much.

Here we see two great masters so close to each other... when Lama Zopa claims he is not practicing and is Lama Osel a practitioner? If Lama Osel is a Dorje Shugden practitioner which I would like to believe so then what we are seeing now is a new beginning  - THE END of the ban!
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: beggar on June 15, 2011, 04:45:14 PM
Never forget that Lama Osel is after all, Lama Yeshe, so his choice to move away is not just a simple choice. And I do agree with what has been said about students not just waiting for Lama Zopa to become better but creating the causes to receive the teachings from a qualified teacher again.

This article reminded me of something I read recently, where Lama Osel is quoted to have said to Ven. Roger "I am creating my world, FPMT is doing well creating its world. Later, we will merge my world and FPMT."

This could well be the next phase of growth within FPMT - it's very much up to the students to make that "merge".
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: Mana on June 15, 2011, 05:49:42 PM
Never forget that Lama Osel is after all, Lama Yeshe, so his choice to move away is not just a simple choice. And I do agree with what has been said about students not just waiting for Lama Zopa to become better but creating the causes to receive the teachings from a qualified teacher again.

This article reminded me of something I read recently, where Lama Osel is quoted to have said to Ven. Roger "I am creating my world, FPMT is doing well creating its world. Later, we will merge my world and FPMT."

This could well be the next phase of growth within FPMT - it's very much up to the students to make that "merge".


Beautiful. May both worlds merge. May this be the next phase of growth. We at this website rejoice when this happens.

Mana
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: Mana on June 15, 2011, 05:53:35 PM
Thanks guys for all the photos.

I personally like this photo of Lama Osel very much. Despite having given back his robes, he remains true to the spirit of Dharma, and for me, this picture speaks volumes.

** taken at Lama Yeshe Stupa. Also goes to show that dorje shugden practitioners do reincarnate in good situations, so what's all that nonsense about worshipping a demon and going to hell?

Lama Osel proves very clearly those who worship Shugden do not go to the Three Lower realms.

This picture does speak volumes. Whether Lama Osel is in robes or not, it does not matter. The merits, prayers and aspirations of Lama Yeshe will be in his mindstream it goes without saying. It just need to be 'triggered' open. May Lama Osel manifest the further spread of Dharma as he has done in his previous lives.

Mana

Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: Barzin on June 15, 2011, 08:06:01 PM
OH MY!  For show reasons my heart is pumping with excitement upon seeing these pictures.  How wonderful Lama Osel is to visit Lama Zopa!  I guess the time is right?  Just when I began to wonder how come no high lamas visit Lama Zopa and here comes the pictures.  It is really really beautiful pictures. 

I am so eager to wanting to know what is going to happen next? 
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: icy on July 10, 2011, 05:29:54 PM
It is my prayers come true when Lama Osel visited Lama Zopa.  I am on top of the world to see Lama Osel is reconnecting.  I am fighting back my tears.  Let's see what happen next.  My prayers to Dorje Shugden for Lama Osel to return FPMT and resume his work to benefit beings.
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: Big Uncle on July 12, 2011, 04:22:00 AM
Lama Osel's distance from FPMT is an enduring reminder to us all to maintain our Samaya with our spiritual guides. If broken samaya is allowed to persist, it is creates a rift with from our Guru or the Guru is unable to reach us due to powerful karma. I am not saying this to say Lama Osel has broken samaya or his students have broken samaya. Remember, the effect always resembles the cause. In this case, Lama Osel could not have broken samaya because he showed many signs of accomplishment in his previous life. One just have to read his biography or listen to his profound teachings and instructions. Hence, it must come from the side of the student.
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: icy on July 14, 2011, 01:54:26 AM
Please do update on Lama Osel if anyone has more news.  I feel the world would be so fortunate to have Lama Osel returning to FPMT again.  I hope FPMT students will maintain clean samaya with lama Osel for this to happen.  It is not too late to amend broken samaya.
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: WoselTenzin on July 14, 2011, 09:07:21 AM
Lama Osel's distance from FPMT is an enduring reminder to us all to maintain our Samaya with our spiritual guides. If broken samaya is allowed to persist, it is creates a rift with from our Guru or the Guru is unable to reach us due to powerful karma. I am not saying this to say Lama Osel has broken samaya or his students have broken samaya. Remember, the effect always resembles the cause. In this case, Lama Osel could not have broken samaya because he showed many signs of accomplishment in his previous life. One just have to read his biography or listen to his profound teachings and instructions. Hence, it must come from the side of the student.

Results speaks louder than words.  Even though Lama Yeshe's incarnation, Lam Osel is back, he is currently not with FPMT guiding them as their Spiritual Advisor but instead have disrobed and does not want to have anything with FPMT.  If Lama Osel is an incarnation of Lama Yeshe who can take controlled rebith back to samsara, definitely the problem does not lie with him.

It is obvious that his students' (past and present) broken samaya with him is preventing him from being with them again.  Going against the practice of Dorje Shugden who is the protector of Lama Yeahe, is definitely broken samaya in the highest form.   It is a miracle his incarnation actually came back but I guess being with students with such serious broken samaya is karmically not possible.
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: Ensapa on September 28, 2012, 12:53:22 PM
Never forget that Lama Osel is after all, Lama Yeshe, so his choice to move away is not just a simple choice. And I do agree with what has been said about students not just waiting for Lama Zopa to become better but creating the causes to receive the teachings from a qualified teacher again.

This article reminded me of something I read recently, where Lama Osel is quoted to have said to Ven. Roger "I am creating my world, FPMT is doing well creating its world. Later, we will merge my world and FPMT."

This could well be the next phase of growth within FPMT - it's very much up to the students to make that "merge".

Now what could Lama Osel mean? could it be that he is also doing Dorje Shugden works but in a covert way? Or at least, planting imprints for people to receive them in the future? He says he is making movies these days. But what I find more interesting is, many people have expressed much disappointment that Lama Osel has failed to manifest as a Lama, but here is Lama Osel leaving so much hints that he is still a Lama and his role and goal is still to benefit others. To me, this sweeps off so many doubts and rumors about him being a disappointment although outwardly he might say things like he felt out of place in the monastery and that he was forced to go through trainings, etc but statements like these make me believe that it is due to the broken samaya of the FPMT centers that Lama Osel appears in this way. And to me, Lama Osel's message is very clear: he is also waiting for the ban to be lifted before he starts teaching again and when he does it would be awesome. If FPMT did not become political and practiced Lama Yeshe's teachings all the way and not expel their Vajra siblings due to Dorje Shugden, Lama Osel would have came back full force. Not Lama Zopa's fault, just students who are too enraptured with the Dalai Lama until they discard their own Lama.

Tsk tsk, FPMT.
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: vajratruth on October 07, 2012, 11:42:07 AM
Never forget that Lama Osel is after all, Lama Yeshe, so his choice to move away is not just a simple choice. And I do agree with what has been said about students not just waiting for Lama Zopa to become better but creating the causes to receive the teachings from a qualified teacher again.

This article reminded me of something I read recently, where Lama Osel is quoted to have said to Ven. Roger "I am creating my world, FPMT is doing well creating its world. Later, we will merge my world and FPMT."

This could well be the next phase of growth within FPMT - it's very much up to the students to make that "merge".



Beautiful. May both worlds merge. May this be the next phase of growth. We at this website rejoice when this happens.

Mana


A quick search of Lama Osel's recent activities reveal that he is still very much involved in the furtherance of FPMT work:

The following from Osel, was included in FPMT’s Annual Review, Feb 2011:

2011 was a great year for me. I was able to travel so much and had the opportunity to become involved in many FPMT activities.

I was thrilled to be able to meet many old friends and to make so many new friendships too.

From my home in Ibiza, Spain, I traveled to California for an FPMT Board meeting in March.
In April together with Gomo Tulku I traveled to Australia to visit Lama Zopa Rinpoche who was in the initial stages of recovering from his stroke.

In July I traveled to Kopan with Karuna Cayton. I very much wanted to visit Khensur Rinpoche Lama Lhundrup whose health was declining.

It turned out to be a great visit. Lama Zopa Rinpoche requested me to speak to the assembly of nuns at the nunnery and then to all the monks at the monastery. I was very happy with the visit and connected very well with the monks and nuns.

In August I was able to direct the filming of a documentary on Universal Wisdom Education (UWE) along with Matteo Passigato and other crew members. The filming took place at Vajrayogini Institute in France during the first international gathering of UWE which was attended by individuals and families from all over the world. The documentary is currently in the stage of “director’s final cut.”

In November I traveled with my partner Mai, and brother Kunkyen to India. We stayed in my former home Osel Labrang at Sera Monastery.

I was invited to address the Kopan monks at Sera and was able to spend time with my teacher, Geshe Genden Chomphel, and thoroughly enjoyed the visit. From Sera we traveled onto Bodhgaya to attend the Kalachakra initiation given by His Holiness the Dalai Lama in January 2012.

In between my travels, I have been developing a number of business concepts I hope will contribute to FPMT’s long-term sustainability.

So many people welcomed and helped me everywhere I went and I really thank everyone especially those I didn't get to thank personally. I am looking forward to being much more in touch with everyone who has been helping me over the years, and I am so happy to be available to help wherever I can in the future.

Big love,

Osel

So Lama Osel has not just dropped out of Dharma work but as the Update above indicates, he spent much of 2011 working on projects associated with the furtherance of Dharma. Osel himself said in 2009 that there is no separation between him and FPMT. Perhaps, there are those like Lama Osel, Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche and others who find that they are a lot more effective in spreading the dharma and the practice of Dorje Shugden by being away from the centre of politics, controversies and prying eyes.

Here is a link to Lama Osel's recent talk given to a community of Lama Tsongkhapa's practitioners in April 2012. In it he said that for the last 11 years he has been trying to help himself so that he can come out to help everybody else. I am encouraged to know that Lama Yeshe's incarnation is still very much in Dharma and I am quite sure Osel is still practicing Dorje Shugden:

http://www.fpmt.org/images/stories/teachers/osel/20120412-OselHitaTorres_with_Gomo_Tulku.mp3 (http://www.fpmt.org/images/stories/teachers/osel/20120412-OselHitaTorres_with_Gomo_Tulku.mp3)
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: DSFriend on October 07, 2012, 01:38:07 PM
A picture of Osel posted yesterday on FPMT's facebook :


Yangsi Rinpoche and Osel during recent Vajrasattva initiation in Boulder Creek
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151454444459251&set=a.434593519250.225104.163253104250&type=1&relevant_count=1 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151454444459251&set=a.434593519250.225104.163253104250&type=1&relevant_count=1)

Do you think Osel will return to FPMT?
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: lotus1 on October 14, 2012, 05:06:57 PM
I am not sure whether Lama Osel will be back to FPMT but I would love to see both two worlds (Lama Osel + FPMT) merge as what has been quoted by begger earlier. Lama Osel is Lama Yeshe, the mind is the same. Looking at the activities that he has been involving, I believe he must have a bigger reason and it will be for the spread of Dharma whenever the condition is ripen.
I pray that the conditions will be ripen soonest and the ban will be lifted and more people can be blessed by Lord DS.
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: harrynephew on October 22, 2012, 04:36:01 AM
It is heartwarming to receive news about Lama Osel going back to visit Lama Zopa Rinpoche. Recently I read on Osel Hita's FB that he has been quite involved with FPMT's meetings and work. I sincerely hope that Lama Osel will be able to take up the role his predecessor Lama Yeshe has left for FPMT the modern way and be able to bring Buddhist teachings to the forefront of the international stage!
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: Manjushri on October 25, 2012, 08:32:47 PM
Maybe if Lama Osel returns to take up the role as his predecessor Lama Yeshe, and relieve Lama Zopa so that Lama Zopa can focus on "recovering"...then I wonder whether Lama Osel would introduce the practise of Dorje Shugden to the followers, students and practitioners of FPMT? Why is it now that Lama Osel is being more involved in FPMT? Why at this juncture, why this timing? Why wasn't Lama Osel much more involved when Lama Zopa first got sick? Could it be that the time is right for Dorje Shugden to surge throughout the world?

However, it is great that Lama Osel has maintained a role in Dharma Work and spreading the Dharma. His choice to return his vows wouldnot be so simple. Having the same mindstream as the great Lama Yeshe, maybe reaching out to today's society required Lama Osel to do what he did. And in time, when his base is strong, merge with FPMT, as what can be deduced by his actions of late.
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: samayakeeper on October 28, 2012, 05:21:23 AM
A great teaching from a great master, using his physical form to manifest illness as a teaching for us. This is just one of the many skillful ways great masters use. My lama always teaches: Use your body to benefit others for you are only one and they are many. In this case, Lama Osel may be one but he will benefit many when he starts to turn the wheel of dharma. Soon, I hope.

May Lama Zopa live long.
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: Ensapa on November 12, 2012, 10:48:37 AM
If Lama Yeshe was a great Dorje Shugden practitioner, and in this life the FPMT peeps have decided to abandon Lama Yeshe's lineage for the Dalai Lama's lineage, then how can it be right in any way for Lama Yeshe to return? Obviously Lama Yeshe would not return as Lama Osel to teach the FPMT people, simply because the goals have changed and the direction is now different from one way to the other. If the directions of the student and the Lama is different, how can they be together in this current lifetime? surely it must match again so that they can meet again. Lama Osel will do Dharma work with or without FPMT's approval or support because he is a real tulku.
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: diablo1974 on November 20, 2012, 07:07:11 AM
I heard Lama Osel just left singapore, i am wondering if he was given a gift relating to Dorje Shugden. it will be nice if he had receive one.
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: Ensapa on December 03, 2012, 01:51:40 PM
A picture of Osel posted yesterday on FPMT's facebook :


Yangsi Rinpoche and Osel during recent Vajrasattva initiation in Boulder Creek
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151454444459251&set=a.434593519250.225104.163253104250&type=1&relevant_count=1 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151454444459251&set=a.434593519250.225104.163253104250&type=1&relevant_count=1)

Do you think Osel will return to FPMT?

To answer that question, one must first answer the other question, which is, will FPMT stop their unceasing attempts to get more followers at the cost of the reputation of other Dharma centers? Will they re-establish Dorje Shugden as their main protector, the way Lama Yeshe used to have it when he was still around? If they are not, then i do not think there is any chance of Lama Osel returning to FPMT. He might support FPMT from behind but he will not give any teachings even though he is fully qualified to do so.
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: icy on December 20, 2012, 09:25:00 AM
I heard Lama Osel just left singapore, i am wondering if he was given a gift relating to Dorje Shugden. it will be nice if he had receive one.

That will be nice diabloc1974.  Maybe this will trigger his imprint on Dorje Shugden and Lama Osel will start teaching DS again.
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: icy on December 20, 2012, 02:27:59 PM
This is what Lama Osel had reported in his Facebook.  Looks like everything is going well with Lama Osel and FP&T.  Lama Osel is promoting Kopan Lam Rim Courses and renewing his connection to Kopan!  What a beautiful news:

Last day in Kathmandu! Nepal has been amazing! The people, the energy, the time spent, and experiences have been truly inspiring and fulfilling. I really loved talking with everyone at the November course. Got to meet Lama Zopa once more, and had such a good time at Kopan Monastery.
I wish to repeat this experience next year at the November course. Thank you everyone!! It has been great meeting you!!! Take care and keep up the good work!!
Biglove
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: Ensapa on December 21, 2012, 10:39:31 AM
This is what Lama Osel had reported in his Facebook.  Looks like everything is going well with Lama Osel and FP&T.  Lama Osel is promoting Kopan Lam Rim Courses and renewing his connection to Kopan!  What a beautiful news:

Last day in Kathmandu! Nepal has been amazing! The people, the energy, the time spent, and experiences have been truly inspiring and fulfilling. I really loved talking with everyone at the November course. Got to meet Lama Zopa once more, and had such a good time at Kopan Monastery.
I wish to repeat this experience next year at the November course. Thank you everyone!! It has been great meeting you!!! Take care and keep up the good work!!
Biglove

this is really great news! Lama Osel reconnecting to Kopan is a very joyous thing indeed for us to celebrate. Perhaps, there is hope that Lama Osel will resume being a monk very soon...or could it be that the Dorje Shugden ban is weakening and Kopan could perform the special 'pujas' to reconnect with Lama Osel? Or perhaps Lama Zopa has been doing Dorje Shugden pujas but quietly so the results of Lama Osel returning to Kopan and Lama Zopa manifested? Lets hope to see more of these to come.
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: icy on December 30, 2012, 02:33:01 PM
My guess Ensapa Lama Zopa is practising Dorje Shugden behind doors.  Perhaps Lama Ozer came over to Kopan to get initiated into Dorje Shugden and when the ban is lifted the cat would be out of the closet!  FP&T is one of the world biggest Gelukpa tradition and DS will spread like wild fire.
Title: Re: Lama Osel makes surprise visit to Lama Zopa
Post by: Ensapa on December 31, 2012, 04:40:37 AM
My guess Ensapa Lama Zopa is practising Dorje Shugden behind doors.  Perhaps Lama Ozer came over to Kopan to get initiated into Dorje Shugden and when the ban is lifted the cat would be out of the closet!  FP&T is one of the world biggest Gelukpa tradition and DS will spread like wild fire.

There is absolutely no doubt that Lama Zopa is practicing Dorje Shugden. He would have been quiet about Trijang Rinpoche and Pabongkha Rinpoche if he was against Dorje Shugden. But whether or not he wants the whole world to know about that is a different story and of course, we have to respect the privacy of our great Lamas. Him going to Trijang Rinpoche's stupa is a sign that he is manifesting to let us know that he is still a practitioner: else he would not have such a high regard for Trijang Rinpoche. Many 'affected' Gelugs barely know who Trijang Rinpoche or Pabongkha Rinpoche is and they do not have information about the lineages and what they are doing is going against the very tradition they belong to. Think about it: Lama Zopa NOT practicing DS would mean he broke his samaya, if he did break his samaya then all his teachings and pujas will not have effect. If his teachings and pujas still can benefit people, is it not clear that his samaya is still strong and he has not given up on Dorje Shugden yet?