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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: thaimonk on April 30, 2011, 03:51:06 PM
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FPMT has contacted this Tibetan woman and oracle to help Lama Zopa heal. Suddenly FPMT have such tremendous faith in her. FPMT says that she is not taking trance of a dakini but SHE IS A LIVING DAKINI.
She originally came from Tibet and during a public teaching with Dalai Lama in Dharamsala starting to take trance. Dalai Lama accepted she takes trance of a Goddess (Tema).
Years ago, Lama Yeshe and Lama Zopa relied fully on Shugden and Shugden oracle to help them. Lama Yeshe relied on the Shugden oracle till the end of his days. Does it seem inappropriate they are relying on a Dakini now instead of Shugden? Either way, FPMT is really on a oracle. Shouldn't Lama Zopa being a high lama be more 'powerful' than the dakini from Dharamsala.
I am not sure of this. I don't have any negative thoughts or such. I was just wondering. What do you all think?
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I think the students are doing their best, at their level to save their Lama Zopa.
Key operative word being, at their level.
Their collective awareness is reflected in the 'remedies' which they choose to employ in saving their Guru.
Here, I mean, awareness in the real sense. Meaning, realization.
If the students are still rooted in thinking that they must comply with the wishes of HHDL and not resurrect their practice of Dorje Shugden, then that is their level of awareness.
If there are students who see beyond and would think deeper, then they will do much more and perhaps even make the effort to invite back the late Lama Yeshe's statue from Nepal. With the statue back in its rightful 'home', they could start their first Dorje Shugden puja since its ban. And continue from there.
Again, I stress, their collective awareness and realization would determine what they do.
And the results will inevitably speak for themselves.
This is, of course, just my simple and humble opinion.
I have no great knowledge or understanding. Nor do I claim to have.
So, pardon me for seeing it so simply. This is my level.
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The Dakini is also an unenlightened spirit, no?
So if FPMT can ask a dakini for help which is = a spirit then I suppose Dorje Shugden is no biggie?
It really does not make any sense to me and I find that to stop any precious teachings given by the Lama is in itself breaking samaya?
Why is Lama Zopa now manifesting sickness? Exactly what is the teaching he is giving to all? Definitely it has nothing to do with slandering others who are practicing Dorje Shugden.
I really hope Lama Zopa will reverse his condition for he definitely has the power and is attained to do just so.
He is manifesting death itself is a teaching and how compassionate to allow his students to directly make offerings to Lama Zopa. WoW! Amazing lama
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I think Lama Zopa's students would do well to remember their own guru's teachings on how to extend the life of their lama. Like what dsiluvu said, how comes they can ask a spirit for help but cannot rely on Dorje Shugden? How can they entrust their lama's long life to a spirit, but apparently practicing Dorje Shugden will shorten his life?
No offence and I'm sure they all mean well (and I sincerely mean that), but relying on an unenlightened being, after breaking their protector practice, kind of smacks of desperation and hypocrisy.
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I think the students are doing their best, at their level to save their Lama Zopa.
Key operative word being, at their level.
Their collective awareness is reflected in the 'remedies' which they choose to employ in saving their Guru.
Here, I mean, awareness in the real sense. Meaning, realization.
If the students are still rooted in thinking that they must comply with the wishes of HHDL and not resurrect their practice of Dorje Shugden, then that is their level of awareness.
If there are students who see beyond and would think deeper, then they will do much more and perhaps even make the effort to invite back the late Lama Yeshe's statue from Nepal. With the statue back in its rightful 'home', they could start their first Dorje Shugden puja since its ban. And continue from there.
Again, I stress, their collective awareness and realization would determine what they do.
And the results will inevitably speak for themselves.
This is, of course, just my simple and humble opinion.
I have no great knowledge or understanding. Nor do I claim to have.
So, pardon me for seeing it so simply. This is my level.
I am on the same page as Helena. The students are doing their best at their collective awareness and level..... to them , to seek help from a Dakini is the appropraite method to help save their lama's life. However, and this is also just my opinion, that if a lama manifests sickness or near death sickness during a teaching, in this case Lama Zopa's speech is greatly impaired; it must be due to heavy broken samaya if only the students can think a little deeper.
I have heard stories before that some high lamas, no matter how sick or ill they are during a teaching, they will endure the sickness and finish the teaching before they fall sick. For Lama's Zopa, clearly everyone can see that the students DO NOT have the merits for their lama to give them the teachings.....as indicated by the stroke which caused speech impairment.
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Well, the very fact that FPMT is relying on a Dakini to heal their Lama shows that they are insecure about their samaya and the pujas that they can do to heal their own Lama. How much can this Dakini (enlightened or not) heal the Lama when the elders of the organisation know it is through clean samaya and sincere propitiation is the only way to purify lots of negative karma and move Lama Zopa to remain.
On top of that, they seemed to imply that the oracle lady is an enlightened dakini when she is not. Last time I checked, the goddess Tenma is a powerful but unenlightened mountain goddess of Tibet. Why rely on an unenlightened deity like Tenma? This all seemed very strange to me. I don't think the politically correct elders would dare propitiated Dorje Shugden but in actuality, he is the only one who can help save the situation now. It is so sad.
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Hi all,
I do believe there's dakini in our world, and some of the dakini actually have very strong ability to do something that we lay people can not do, such as healing someone. But in this special case, if someone told me actually this dakini have the power to heal an enlightened being who is totally free from suffering or karma, i might have doubts, not because of the dakini but the whole story just doesn't make any sense to me.
If Lama Zopa a real tulku, which i totally believe Rinpoche is, Rinpoche will have the full control of his body, speech and mind. Rinpoche can manifest in any appearance or situation to help others, this is no doubts.
Rinpoche will needs no one to show him what to do or needs someone to heal Rinpoche. That's no one can heal Rinpoche if Zopa Rinpoche decide to remain manifest in this situation. Because all Tulkus have FULL control of their life.
So i don't think the dakini can contribute much in this issue, regardless she is enlightened or not.
The only reason that i can think of why Lama Zopa Rinpoche still decided to have the dakini to "heal" him, it's because he want the students to gain a lot of merit through sponsor Rinpoche's daily expenses, to sponsor long life pujas. With the merit that the students have collected, may he/she's mind be stable and able to receive more dharma.
just some sharing, what do you think ?
much care,
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Dakini Healing Lama Zopa. Lama Zopa can heal himself if he choose to. But he choose not to because he wants to show his students that sufferings are the results ands cause of negative Karma committed and is ripening. He has manisfested these sufferings a nd sickness on himself through his compassion of taking others sufferings to show his students as an example of negative Karma ripening. As for the Dakini that Lama Zopa has allowed to heal him. How do you know she is not a manisfestation of a Buddha either. If Deities can enter into an Oracle to heal so can this happen to show people that Buddhas can manisfest in any form or in whom.
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Lama Zopa can heal himself. It would be good for the students to consult Shugden how to create the merits for that to happen.
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FPMT has faith in a Dakini but stay away from Dorje Shugden who is the protector of Lama Yeshe and who recognized Lama Zopa's current incarnation.
FPMT is obviously looking for guidance and help. What's the worse which could happen if FPMT consults Dorje Shugden oracle?
The priority is to do everything possible so that an illustrious master like Lama Zopa remains and continue to turn the wheel of dharma.
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FPMT has faith in a Dakini but stay away from Dorje Shugden who is the protector of Lama Yeshe and who recognized Lama Zopa's current incarnation.
FPMT is obviously looking for guidance and help. What's the worse which could happen if FPMT consults Dorje Shugden oracle?
Since FPMT are supposed to not have anything to do with Shugden, I wonder if they have the access to a Shugden oracle. I personally think it is highly unlikely that they would seek advice from a Shugden oracle even if they have access to him. Too bad but they (FPMT) have made the choice. It is very clear from their guidelines re not inviting teachers who are Shugden practitioners.
I re-read an article in Mandala magazine re Khadro-la (the oracle) and also Ven. Roger Kunsang (personal attendant & secretary to Lama Zopa Rinpoche) and found some interesting information:
1. There was a mention of rumours - possible threat to Khadro-la to be assasinated by Shugden worshipers in the past.
Ven. Roger: Where were you living? Outside the monastery or somewhere else?
Khadro-la: “A house was given to me by the private office within Namgyal Monastery. It’s the same house I live in today. It was during that time when the teacher in the Dialectic School was murdered by the group of Shugden worshipers, and there were rumors that I too would be assassinated. The monks of Namgyal Monastery were very concerned about my safety. That’s how we became close. Actually, I tried to refuse their protection. I told them that if my fate is to be killed, then nothing can make it not happen, but that if my karma is not to die, the Shugden worshippers cannot harm me. The monks didn’t listen to me and they continuously took good care of me
2. There was a mention of a special lineage of practice from the time of the Fifth Dalai Lama. I wonder what it is.
Ven. Roger: Can you talk about the ways you can help the Dalai Lama?
Khadro-la: “I have a goal: there is a vast, outstanding lineage of teaching, empowerment and instruction by the Great Fifth Dalai Lama. It’s now been about 360 years since he first revealed them, and since then, it hasn’t been possible to reveal them completely again. I feel a strong karmic connection with this special lineage, so my sole wish is to restore this entire lineage for His Holiness. He can pass it to many others and I myself am very interested in practicing this lineage.
“Also, I am planning a retreat center specially dedicated for this practice. I wish to have a small group of serious practitioners there. Maybe they could be geshes who have completed the study of Madyamaka Prajñ?p?ramit? and who have the strong will for the practice but are looking for a suitable environment. If I can accomplish this, it will be a very good offering to His Holiness which I am confident will be the milestone cause for his long life. It is a very important teaching related to this entire world and there is no doubt that it is also important for the Tibetan cause. I think that when His Holiness calls Lama Zopa Rinpoche and Dagri Rinpoche his beloved disciples, he means because of their relation to this lineage."
Link to original article: http://www.mandalamagazine.org/archives/mandala-issues-for-2009/january/interview-with-a-dakini/
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I just HAD to click on this since it's about dakinis!
I don't think there is any harm in consulting enlightened beings, oracles, dharma protectors for help or advice, though we should really only consult them if they're enlightened. I don't really understand the point in consulting someone who is unenlightened since you open the doors for so many other potentially harmful beings to come in and disturb you.
As to this case of Lama Zopa's illness, i don't think anything would work better than for the students to check in on themselves - what commitments they have broken, or what actions they have done that would be against what their teachers have advised or taught them. Perhaps it is not something that they have directly disobeyed, it could even be something that isn't as obvious like creating schism among Dharma practitioners, or creating doubt in other people's minds about their practices and their teachers.
I personally think it's quite silly to consult a dakini when your own enlightened teacher is right there. If you consult a dakini (whether she's enlightened or not), that is to say that your teacher doesn't have any control over his own body! I'm sure an enlightened teacher like Lama Zopa would have full control over his health and illnesses. (he has full control over his rebirths, as a tulku, but no control over illness? it doesn't make sense). So If our lama has control, that means that he has already taught us the means to heal him - which i'm sure would be, like all teachers advise us, to follow his instructions to us and practice and improve our minds. That would be so much more powerful than a dakini's advice - because whatever the dakini could "prescribe" , I'm sure it isn't something that Lama Zopa is beyond doing for himself.
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FPMT has contacted this Tibetan woman and oracle to help Lama Zopa heal. Suddenly FPMT have such tremendous faith in her. FPMT says that she is not taking trance of a dakini but SHE IS A LIVING DAKINI.
She originally came from Tibet and during a public teaching with Dalai Lama in Dharamsala starting to take trance. Dalai Lama accepted she takes trance of a Goddess (Tema).
Years ago, Lama Yeshe and Lama Zopa relied fully on Shugden and Shugden oracle to help them. Lama Yeshe relied on the Shugden oracle till the end of his days. Does it seem inappropriate they are relying on a Dakini now instead of Shugden? Either way, FPMT is really on a oracle. Shouldn't Lama Zopa being a high lama be more 'powerful' than the dakini from Dharamsala.
I am not sure of this. I don't have any negative thoughts or such. I was just wondering. What do you all think?
I think FPMT would be better off directing their efforts towards requesting Lama Zopa to extend his life and heal himself. Long life prayers, rituals and individual transformation and purification of wrong actions would be more effective than medical treatment or mystical help from the oracle. If the lama can manifest sickness, then of course the lama will be able to make the sickness heal. And there is no reason for the lama to become ill, or to shorten his life, unless it is a method towards something much greater. My own lama has often told me that no matter how many prayers the students do, how many requests they make, how much medicine and treatment they offer to their lama, none of that will have effect if the lama does not wish to heal. So FPMT should direct their attention towards analysing what it is they should do to please the mind of their lama that he will extend his life.
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FPMT has contacted this Tibetan woman and oracle to help Lama Zopa heal. Suddenly FPMT have such tremendous faith in her. FPMT says that she is not taking trance of a dakini but SHE IS A LIVING DAKINI.
She originally came from Tibet and during a public teaching with Dalai Lama in Dharamsala starting to take trance. Dalai Lama accepted she takes trance of a Goddess (Tema).
Years ago, Lama Yeshe and Lama Zopa relied fully on Shugden and Shugden oracle to help them. Lama Yeshe relied on the Shugden oracle till the end of his days. Does it seem inappropriate they are relying on a Dakini now instead of Shugden? Either way, FPMT is really on a oracle. Shouldn't Lama Zopa being a high lama be more 'powerful' than the dakini from Dharamsala.
I am not sure of this. I don't have any negative thoughts or such. I was just wondering. What do you all think?
I think FPMT would be better off directing their efforts towards requesting Lama Zopa to extend his life and heal himself. Long life prayers, rituals and individual transformation and purification of wrong actions would be more effective than medical treatment or mystical help from the oracle. If the lama can manifest sickness, then of course the lama will be able to make the sickness heal. And there is no reason for the lama to become ill, or to shorten his life, unless it is a method towards something much greater. My own lama has often told me that no matter how many prayers the students do, how many requests they make, how much medicine and treatment they offer to their lama, none of that will have effect if the lama does not wish to heal. So FPMT should direct their attention towards analysing what it is they should do to please the mind of their lama that he will extend his life.
Give your teacher a reason to stay. That's what mine always says.
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Hmm... This is rather interesting...
I was just thinking. Lama Zopa being so highly attained. We all know that he is able to control his body and manifest in whichever way. And now he is having speech problem, his speech was unclear therefore it is very difficult for the students to understand him. Which means, no advice was given and students had to rely on their best thinking to create the merits for Lama Zopa to recover.
But I am just having a thought, thinking that is it some hint or a situation that Lama Zopa manifested and keeping silent; so that out of no choice the students eventually had to seek for Shugden's advice? Is that a possibility? Because I was just thinking if Lama Zopa was heal after seeking for Shugden; the whole story would turn into Shugden saved Lama Zopa!
Just a thought, it could be or could not be.. :) What you guys think? ;)
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From recent posts, it seems Lama Zopa will take much more time to heal than forseen. Many more months of physio therapy to go. And looks like Lama Zopa does not wish to heal himself so soon. Perhaps it is to get send 'sympathy' signals to Lama Osel? What I mean is to let Lama Osel see there is no one to take over FPMT should anything happen to Lama Zopa, so Lama Osel should come back to FPMT's fold perhaps. Just a thought.
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From recent posts, it seems Lama Zopa will take much more time to heal than forseen. Many more months of physio therapy to go. And looks like Lama Zopa does not wish to heal himself so soon. Perhaps it is to get send 'sympathy' signals to Lama Osel? What I mean is to let Lama Osel see there is no one to take over FPMT should anything happen to Lama Zopa, so Lama Osel should come back to FPMT's fold perhaps. Just a thought.
Now this is the most interesting thought presented here. Thanks, Thai Monk.
Indeed, to let NOT ONLY Lama Osel see but all others to see that there is no one to take over FPMT.
May be it works both ways.
All students have to see it and want to do something about it. If they won't consult Dorje Shugden, may be they can do something to get Lama Osel back into FPMT. Of course, Lama Osel may or may not return.
All Lamas have their own skillful ways to send a message across and it is not limited to using their own suffering.
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Has she arrived to Australia yet does anyone know. Has anyone seen on the net? Last I heard, she was trying to get her visa to come to Australia.
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Has she arrived to Australia yet does anyone know. Has anyone seen on the net? Last I heard, she was trying to get her visa to come to Australia.
Latest on Rinpoche's Health
From Ven. Roger Kunsang, extracted from FPMT International Office News :
Khadro-la arrived on May 25 and spent most of the day with Rinpoche doing pujas, prayers and so on – as well as a lot of laughing (most therapeutic).
Rinpoche wanted to send his heartfelt thanks to all the students, centers, projects and services for all their practices and prayers.
Rinpoche also said to please also dedicate any of your prayers and practices for the long life of His Holiness the Dalai Lama and all holy beings, who live their life benefiting others, and to all those who live in morality – not harming others – also specifically to dedicate to all beings who have high blood pressure, diabetes and paralysis.
Even while in the hospital and without the use of his right hand, Lama Zopa Rinpoche kept up on his correspondence by learning to write with the left, May 2011. See pic below.
http://www.fpmt.org/enews/2011/fpmt/img/May/DSC00558.jpg
Lama Zopa Rinpoche's Own Update :
"So I guess you know I didn't take care well, [didn't do] daily exercise, didn't get to do daily walking and so forth, [I was] very weak. So then I think my self-cherishing thought went up, then paralysis happened. The doctors all think it's getting better, [I am] past danger, they all think I will get better soon.
" try to think a little bit [that I am] receiving the suffering, experiencing the suffering of all sentient beings, especially from whomever suffers [from high] blood pressure, diabetes and paralysis. Also I pray to try to do this. It is an incredible opportunity, when I do that it purifies many, many, many – wow, can you imagine? – many eons of negative karma, wow, wow, so it is the quickest path to enlightenment.
"In the hospital I try to practice. I dedicate past, present, future merits to any people who come into my room or this hospital, or into the hospital before this. That any person who from now on comes into this room, any sick people who come, may they immediately recover from their sickness. Then any person who sits in my bed [in the hospital] from now on, may they immediately recover from their sickness, or if they die, may they never ever be born in the lower realms, may they get reborn in Buddha's pure land. I try to pray like this a few times a day. So wonderful, positive, to bring benefit here, so I try to do what I can.
"Then I realized today, usually I try to do 10,000 OM MANI PADME HUM [mantras per day], I increased this year to 20,000 OM MANI PADME HUM [mantras per day], and I turn the prayer wheel. I try to do three times the very, very, very long mantra, then the middle one, then OM MANI PADME HUM. [Rinpoche lists some of the benefits from reciting these mantras.] When I recite, I turn the prayer wheel, so this hand turns the prayer wheel and this hand [moves the] mala. So today and over the last few days I didn't get this done, so today I tried, but I can't use this hand, I can't turn the prayer wheel. I recite 20,000 mantras and then from time to time I turn the prayer wheel, but I can't do both, not possible. So incredible, with your hands free you can recite and turn a prayer wheel and count mantra, wow, wow, wow, what merits, the cause of enlightenment, with bodhichitta, incredible, unbelievable, unbelievable, with both hands free. So I realized how precious it is if you can use both hands, so precious.
"Then normally I do prostration to my altar, so before I always prostrate with two hands to my Gurus, Buddha, [but now] I can't use both hands, so I realized how fortunate it is if one can prostrate with both hands. With two hands it is so easy to create the cause of enlightenment, so easy to get the highest success in life. I told people you are so fortunate you can do that, I can't do that, so I realize how precious the body is, how you can [use it to be] so precious, so easy to create the cause of enlightenment.
"Thank you very much for the Medicine Buddha pujas, for everybody's prayers and practice.
"I am just experiencing my short comings of self-cherishing mind. According to one view, I lost and it won, that is according to one view. Then according to another view this [sickness] is the best thing to achieve enlightenment, the quickest way to achieve enlightenment.
"Thank you very much. Here I am the most fortunate person."
By propping his clasped hand on the table in front of him, Lama Zopa Rinpoche is able to keep his hands in the mudra of prostration while he offers his food, May 2011. See pic below.
http://www.fpmt.org/enews/2011/fpmt/img/May/DSC00513.jpg
Colophon: Taken from some dictation given by Rinpoche to Ven. Holly Ansett while in the hospital in Australia, May 2011. Lightly edited by Claire Isitt.
How humble and compassionate Lama Zopa is, even at his sick bed and uses himself as an example to teach everyone. I pray he will get well very very soon!
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FPMT has contacted this Tibetan woman and oracle to help Lama Zopa heal. Suddenly FPMT have such tremendous faith in her. FPMT says that she is not taking trance of a dakini but SHE IS A LIVING DAKINI.
She originally came from Tibet and during a public teaching with Dalai Lama in Dharamsala starting to take trance. Dalai Lama accepted she takes trance of a Goddess (Tema).
Years ago, Lama Yeshe and Lama Zopa relied fully on Shugden and Shugden oracle to help them. Lama Yeshe relied on the Shugden oracle till the end of his days. Does it seem inappropriate they are relying on a Dakini now instead of Shugden? Either way, FPMT is really on a oracle. Shouldn't Lama Zopa being a high lama be more 'powerful' than the dakini from Dharamsala.
I am not sure of this. I don't have any negative thoughts or such. I was just wondering. What do you all think?
Recently I came across this interesting pictures of Lama Zopa with this lady Khadro la. Is this the lady who takes trance as the Goddess Tema mentioned above? She seems to be very close to Lama Zopa. These pictures were taken recently at the FPMT International Office in Portland. I've also heard from a friend recently that she has been healing Lama Zopa, not sure if anyone can verify this is true.
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here's a nice story of Khadro-la to better understand who she is. Khadro la is a very interesting story of how modern day practitioners can still benefit others and how sincerity can bring us far. I find her story quite inspiring in some ways! We all need some of those.
Interview with a Dakini
January / March 2009
HIGHER BEINGS
Lama Zopa Rinpoche with Khadro-la; Preparing for puja
Recently Ven. Roger Kunsang met with an extraordinary Tibetan woman who is widely regarded as a dakini, an oracle, certainly someone regarded as very special by His Holiness the Dalai Lama, Kirti Tsenshab Rinpoche, Dagri Rinpoche and Lama Zopa Rinpoche. This conversation with Khadro-la (who featured on the cover of our August-September 2008 issue) is a Mandala exclusive.
Ven. Roger Kunsang: Can you tell me why you left Tibet?
Khadro-la: “It happened at the last minute. I didn’t have the intention, and I didn’t have the money to travel. I followed a sign that came in my dreams. There was a bus blowing its horn indicating its departure, and until I got on the bus I was unaware of where I was heading. I learnt from the other people on that bus that they were going to Lhasa and thence to Shigatse. A couple of days into the journey I learnt that they were also planning to go to Mount Kailash.
“One day, while we had stopped our journey at Shigatse, I was circumambulating Tashi Lhunpo Monastery when I came across an elderly man dressed in an Indian cloth doti. This complete stranger gave me 2000 gormo. He asked me to sit beside him, and begun to tell me many unusual stories. He told me that India was just beyond this mountain, and that I should be meeting with His Holiness the Dalai Lama and many other lamas. He kept urging me to head for India – and at the time it didn’t feel at all strange, although when I recall it now it seems amazing to me.”
Ven. Roger: Was it very difficult to make your way to India?
K: “Oh yes! There was much hardship. I had no mission of my own and was just following the pilgrims. I don’t remember very clearly how long the journey was, but I did fifteen koras round Mount Kailash and due to my unusual actions and the words that I was speaking, rumors were going around that I was a dakini. People began to line up to see me, even seeking blessings from me. It was very tiring for me to deal with the crowds, but a very kind monk from a nearby monastery took good care of me with food and drink. He even organized a better system for the people who came to see me for blessings, etc. Many of those people expressed their wish to go to India with me. One night, quite suddenly and without any discussion, I made up my mind to leave for India and so a man who was our guide led seventeen of us from the bus along the trail that leads to the border. He wasn’t very experienced and it took seventeen days to reach Kathmandu in Nepal. It should have taken only seven days. We were in no man’s land, and as there were no real paths or people to ask, it was impossible to tell whether we were even out of Tibet. We had to just follow the signs I got in my dreams. When we were confused about the way, I was instructed to go in the direction where there appeared a circle of light. Maybe this was the blessing of the Dalai Lama or Palden Lhamo.
“Sometimes we had to walk all day without any food or drink, and sometimes we had to walk all through the night. We were not prepared for such a long journey.
“When I arrived in Nepal, I fell seriously ill with food poisoning and could not continue with my companions towards India. I had to stay at the reception center in Kathmandu, vomiting blood, which made the staff suspicious that I had a contagious disease. I was left to sleep outside the building in a field. I was so weak that I couldn’t change position. When I needed to move, they used long sticks to push me back and forth because they were afraid to touch me with their hands. As my condition worsened, the staff thought I wouldn’t survive, and so asked me if I wanted to leave a last message for my family and asked for the address to deliver it.
“So I made a request for monks from a monastery to do prayers after I died and to take my body for cremation to a peak which I later found out is the holy Nagarjuna hill where Buddha had spoken the sutra called Langru Lungten.
“I asked them to take my urine in a bottle and give it to whomever they met first at the Boudhanath Stupa entrance. By now I was semi-conscious, but they were kind enough to do this favor for me. The person who took my urine met a man at the gate who turned out to be a Tibetan physician. He tested my urine and diagnosed that I had been poisoned with meat, prescribed some medicine and even sent me some blessing pills. My health improved dramatically and I had many good dreams. When I recovered, I was sent to the Dharamsala reception center, together with some other newly-arrived people.
“I arrived in Dharamsala not long after some monks from my village had quarreled with the staff of the center – and so they had a negative impression of anyone who came from the same area. Consequently I, too, became the victim. Since I was quite young I was asked whether I would like to join school or did I want to have some skills training. My reply was quite straightforward and honest. I said I had no interest in going to school and neither did I want to learn something else. When I was back at home I always had the very strong will to serve good meditators, and so I used to collect firewood and deliver water for the meditators who lived around my village. I didn’t even know that Tibet was occupied by the Chinese and that that was why Tibetans went into exile. I was not tortured by the Chinese and I didn’t have any lack of food or clothing. My only wish was to see His Holiness the Dalai Lama, and as I have a problem of going into craziness sometimes, I merely wanted to know from His Holiness whether that was good or bad. That was all I wanted, otherwise I just wanted to return to my own home.”
Ven. Roger: So you felt that this so-called craziness was your problem at that time?
K: “Yes. And although I had completely recovered good health, I was still passing blood. Many of the newly-arrived people had diarrhea, but whenever the toilet was dirty I was accused of doing it because they all knew that I had a stomach problem. So I was forced to clean the toilet. And the staff there scolded me saying, ‘You are said to be a dakini, so why do you have to rely on us? Why do you have to eat the food and take shelter here? Why don’t you just pull the sun down here?’ And so on and so on.
“I couldn’t take the food that was provided at the center, but sometimes I had to ask the kitchen staff for hot water. I was often kicked out and scolded. It seemed like it was the consequence of the trouble that had occurred between the monks from my village and the staff members at the center.
“I couldn’t get an audience with His Holiness because I was accused of having a contagious disease which might infect him. Some said I was mad. Some even said I ought to be leaving the center or be sent to an insane asylum. I was even banned from public audiences for several months. Instead, I circumambulated the Dalai Lama’s palace every morning. One day, I heard that His Holiness was coming back home, so I hid beside the road to greet him. As his car passed by Namgyal Monastery, I saw a very bright light radiating on the front window of the car and inside I saw him with many hands around his shoulders! It was the first time I had ever seen His Holiness and I just jumped towards the car to prostrate, and I fell unconscious, almost under the car.
“I was carried back to the center by a man from my village and again the shower of scolding began. But I think a very strong change happened in me by seeing His Holiness and I never got angry with the staff. I thought, ‘Oh! They have to take care of so many people and of course they get upset sometimes.’
“Despite many requests, I still wasn’t given an audience with His Holiness. At a public teaching I managed to find a seat. As he came in escorted by security personnel, I was possessed by the protector and the guards took me away from the courtyard where the teachings were to take place, telling me to stay at the bottom of the stairs. I felt so sad to think what evil karma I must have created in the past that now I can’t even see His Holiness.
“The teaching began with the recitation of the Heart Sutra. I could hear His Holiness chanting, and as he was saying “no eyes, no nose,” etc., I started to have a very strange feeling. By the time he was saying “form is empty and emptiness is form,” I felt rays of light were showering on me, entering from the crown and filling my whole body. I felt lifted up in the air. I had a strong feeling of joy and sentiment.
“As time went by, I came to know some meditators and came in contact with some great lamas such as Kirti Tsenshab Rinpoche and Khalkha Jetsun Dampa. I received blessing water from them, and they, too, tried many ways to make my contact with His Holiness possible. But no progress was made, and so I finally made up my mind to return to Tibet. I was exceptionally sad at not being able to fulfill some of the tasks the old man in Shigatse has asked me to do. There were some important things that I should do, such as making a long life offering and some other secret thing, and time for all those activities was running out.
“I informed Kirti Tsenshab Rinpoche of my decision, but he insisted that I did not return. He said that he saw in me something more important than just an oracle; he could see some specialness in me. He said I would be very helpful to His Holiness, and advised me to remain in Dharamsala. ‘I myself will make the golden bridge between you and His Holiness.’ As I listened to him, I wondered why such a great scholar and great lama said such comments about me. Soon after, and out of the blue, I was approved for an audience, together with other new arrivals.
“There were a lot of us waiting anxiously. I saw His Holiness coming toward us and I saw him with so much light radiating and many arms, just as I had seen him before. As soon as I stood up to make prostrations, again I was possessed and taken away by the security guards. Perhaps I was kicked or punched, because I found bruises on my body when I regained consciousness.
“But after His Holiness granted an audience to all the other people, he asked to bring up the lady oracle and so I was taken to him. As soon as I went to him, I grabbed at his feet and went unconscious again. When I came back to normal His Holiness asked me about my home and many other questions, but I was just left speechless. No words came out – I was too overjoyed to say anything. Later I was able to tell him all that the old man had told me in Shigatse and he heard all about me and my problems. I was confirmed as the oracle of the protector and His Holiness asked me not to go back to Tibet. His Holiness granted me different empowerments and instructions, and I begun to do the retreats that he advised me to do.”
Ven. Roger: Where were you living? Outside the monastery or somewhere else?
K: “A house was given to me by the private office within Namgyal Monastery. It’s the same house I live in today. It was during that time when the teacher in the Dialectic School was murdered by the group of Shugden worshipers, and there were rumors that I too would be assassinated. The monks of Namgyal Monastery were very concerned about my safety. That’s how we became close. Actually, I tried to refuse their protection. I told them that if my fate is to be killed, then nothing can make it not happen, but that if my karma is not to die, the Shugden worshippers cannot harm me. The monks didn’t listen to me and they continuously took good care of me.
“As I was very weak physically, His Holiness contacted Kyabje Trulshik Rinpoche and I was sent to France for treatment. At that time I came to know Lama Zopa Rinpoche. Indeed, because of my poor health I came to know so many people!
“During my retreat and practice there have been some good signs and some positive outcomes too, but I like to say that all of these are just hallucinations. Whatever good happens is no more than the blessing of His Holiness. I myself am no better than the poorest being among the rest.
“About two years ago, His Holiness advised me that whenever the opportunity comes, I should give teachings or any kind of service that I can deliver to those who are in need. But I know I have nothing to offer to others. To tell you honestly, in my mind I have a very strong belief that the essence of life is only to have the realization of bodhichitta and emptiness. Though it is difficult to gain, my primary wish is to achieve indestructible faith in these two before I die. If I cannot help people to generate these things, our meeting is just a waste of time. Other than that, I am the poorest by inner, outer and secret perspectives. The best side of me is only that I met the best Dharma, best practice and the best lamas.”
Ven. Roger: When did you first feel that you were a dakini?
K: “I always think I am not a dakini. I don’t know who I am. Some lamas say I am Khandro Yeshe Tsogyal, some say I am Vajrayogini, and others say I am Tara. It might be their own pure appearances. I myself think I am nothing special.
“When I was young some people said I was mad. Some said I was dakini. I don’t know. I have no doubt that I have very strong karmic imprints from the past, because I have been very dear to His Holiness and many other high lamas from Tibet and outside of Tibet. Some lamas from Tibet, whom I never knew, sent me love, respect, good wishes and often offerings and praises. Another reason is that sometimes the words to express the view of emptiness come out of my mouth automatically – something I have never heard and studied before – but I can’t remember later what I said.”
Ven. Roger: Can you talk about the ways you can help the Dalai Lama?
K: “I have a goal: there is a vast, outstanding lineage of teaching, empowerment and instruction by the Great Fifth Dalai Lama. It’s now been about 360 years since he first revealed them, and since then, it hasn’t been possible to reveal them completely again. I feel a strong karmic connection with this special lineage, so my sole wish is to restore this entire lineage for His Holiness. He can pass it to many others and I myself am very interested in practicing this lineage.
“Also, I am planning a retreat center specially dedicated for this practice. I wish to have a small group of serious practitioners there. Maybe they could be geshes who have completed the study of Madyamaka Prajñ?p?ramit? and who have the strong will for the practice but are looking for a suitable environment. If I can accomplish this, it will be a very good offering to His Holiness which I am confident will be the milestone cause for his long life. It is a very important teaching related to this entire world and there is no doubt that it is also important for the Tibetan cause. I think that when His Holiness calls Lama Zopa Rinpoche and Dagri Rinpoche his beloved disciples, he means because of their relation to this lineage.”
Ven. Roger: Thank you!
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Thank you Ensapa for a wonderful background information on Khandro-la. I am still a little confused about her identity. What is she? What does it mean to be a living Dakini ? Are they talking about a female Rinpoche or are they talking about something else. If she is a living Dakini, why does she need to take trance of Tenma? This is all getting a little confusing to me.
Nonetheless, it is interesting that she was able to heal Lama Zopa. I wonder how did she do it? Was it through the help of Tenma or was it through the power of her pujas and prayers. Is that what she is suppose to do, be of service to the Dalai Lama and other great Lamas through her healing abilities. If thats what she's suppose to do, then it would be very helpful to a lot of High Lamas who are constantly absorbing the bad samaya and negativities of their students and friends.
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I don't know if you guys have read about the Dorje Shugden puja for Lama Zopa, but I am wondering whether it was the power of the dakini that healed lama zopa or whether it was the power of the Shugden puja? No disrespect intended to khadro-la of course. Read below if you haven't heard of the news!
From [url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1823.0[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1823.0[/url])
This website has recieved very clear information today from our long time and very reliable source that when Lama Zopa was very ill recently about 7 months back, a monk of Kopan Monastery went in secret to Phelgye Ling Monastery (Swayambunath area) to request them to do Dorje Shugden puja for Lama Zopa's health.
Phelygye Ling monastery's senior administrator refused saying since Lama Zopa and his group are so 'vehemently' against Shugden, why come running to request Shugden puja once Lama Zopa is sick?
The Kopan monk people had the Shugden puja urgently done at another Monastery practicing Shugden in Kathmandu. The name of this Monastery is unknown for now, but we will find out.
Mana
( A divination must have been done that Shugden pujas are required urgently for Lama Zopa otherwise Kopan monks wouldn't come running to Phelgye Ling requesting for this. They lose face. )
Big Uncle - to answer your question about why she takes trance of Tenma, it's not that unusual really. I have seen lamas who are living Buddhas, who have full clairvoyance and can clearly perceive the future. Yet they will consult oracles or will channel the deities themselves to give answers and advice. In my view, this occurs because the laity will often see the lama or the oracle or the living Buddha/dakini as a human who is fallible. They may not believe everything this person says. Therefore by taking trance of a deity, this actually builds more faith in the advice, and more likelihood that the advice will be followed.
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Khandro Lhamo Tseringma - She is the State Medium of the Tenma Oracle.
The Tenma Goddesses are Twelve Guardian Deities in the Gelug order of Tibetan Buddhism. In hierarchy, they fall under Palden Lhamo, one of the eight Dharmapala deities.
In Dharamsala, India, there is a Tenma oracle, for which a young Tibetan woman is the kuten, which literally means, "the physical basis".
Hence they are unenlightened. So it is okay to perpetuate Goddesses like Tenma and seek advice or prophesies but it is not okay to perpetuate Dorje Shugden? This I don't get, no offense to Tenma but clearly some thing just doesnt sound right here.
Here is a video of Kandro-la giving teachings to some follwers...
Khandro La ~ Wisdom and Compassion.mp4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ9CzRXwpPY#ws)
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"Well, the very fact that FPMT is relying on a Dakini to heal their Lama shows that they are insecure about their samaya and the pujas that they can do to heal their own Lama. How much can this Dakini (enlightened or not) heal the Lama when the elders of the organisation know it is through clean samaya and sincere propitiation is the only way to purify lots of negative karma and move Lama Zopa to remain.
On top of that, they seemed to imply that the oracle lady is an enlightened dakini when she is not. Last time I checked, the goddess Tenma is a powerful but unenlightened mountain goddess of Tibet. Why rely on an unenlightened deity like Tenma? This all seemed very strange to me. I don't think the politically correct elders would dare propitiated Dorje Shugden but in actuality, he is the only one who can help save the situation now. It is so sad " : Quote by Big Uncle.
Yes , I could not agree more with Big Uncle, FPMT please mend your broken Samaya ! As the saying goes " barking up the wrong tree !" Lama Zopa has full control over whether he stays or leave , there is nothing that the "mountain goddess" can do to move the lama to stay as he is here solely for the students.
What a sad sight to see such an attained Lama playing along with his students. In such crucial times , shouldn't one propitiate to ones protector rather than a " living dakini " who channels an unenlightened deity (confusing ) ? They the FPMT are risking loosing their guru for the sake of looking good in the eyes of the Dalai Lama !
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It is very well known that High Tibetan Lamas have the ability to have full control over their birth, death and rebirth. Should they want to heal themselves, they definitely can. If they see that they can do no more benefit in this life, and would do more benefit in their next life, so as to not waste time, then they will meditate, dissolve their winds and enter into clear light.
Therefore, as the enlightened being that he has been recognized as, Lama Zopa definitely have the ability to heal himself, but why is he relying on an unenlightened being to help cure him? Is it signs to his students of something with a terrible meaning? Why Tenma and why not Nechung? If these deities are unenlightened, and they also claim that Dorje Shugden is "unenlightened", then why not use Dorje Shugden then? Funny isn't it.
Anyways, you can find a more detailed article on this topic here:
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/dakini-healed-lama-zopa/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/dakini-healed-lama-zopa/)
Nothing can heal the guru except students creating the cause for the guru to stay, where the guru can benefit many in his lifetime. Otherwise, there is no point of the lama staying, so even if he heals, he may still dissolve his winds the very next day out of grave disappointment in not being able to achieve what he came to achieve.
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If only FPMT had just done this meditation. Then maybe they wouldnt have had to court controversy by seeking a dakini to heal an enlightened beings manifested ailments ;)
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/a-healing-and-wisdom-meditation-of-dorje-shugden/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/a-healing-and-wisdom-meditation-of-dorje-shugden/)
Then again, the embarrassment of doing Dorje Shugden practice again is probs far less than the embarrassment of people asking why an unenlightened being is healing their enlightened lama. Lucky for the dakini though, at least she gets to make more merits by healing Rinpoche.
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To be honest I find the whole thing of calling Khadro la as a dakini amusing. How can a dakini be a medium in the first place? Just because she is a sincere practitioner, she is not a dakini..yet. It is only when she displays more results as an actual dakini like the way Niguma, Sukhasiddhi, Yeshe Tsogyel and Maching Lapdron did that I would really consider her as a real Dakini that has appeared from Tibet to heal Lama Zopa or do whatever that dakini is supposed to do. Dakinis by nature are very direct and very sarcastic when it comes to the Dharma but Khadro la does not exhibit any of that. I do admit that Khadro la does have some capabilities to heal but i wouldnt go that far to call her a dakini yet because there are so many other female practitioners such as Thutben Chordon who deserve the title far more than she does as she has done so much more compared to Khadro la, with respect, when it comes to spreading the Dharma and teaching them. What has Khadro la done besides healing Lama Zopa and taking trance? I dont think that's a lot to be 'proud' off. It would suffice to say that she is a teacher in her own right and she healed Lama Zopa...but dakini is a far stretch.
The real way to heal Lama Zopa is to mend broken samaya and stop the ridiculous practice of politicking to secure FPMT's place as the most official and most authoritative Dharma center in the region. There is nothing wrong with being in such a position, but when everyone puts in all their effort and resources to achieving that and even going to the extent of hurting other lamas and destroying the reputation of other centers and organizations that do not align to their political view, that is too much and what is more is, they are using the Lama's name to do such a thing. Will Lama Zopa need to visit every single of these centers and remove these politicking individuals, or will these individuals stop doing what they are doing and start bucking up and changing? I do wish to see Lama Zopa recover fully, but looking at the students, I need to be realistic....
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Khandro la and Lama Zopa Rinpoche playing the guitar, Seattle July 2012
They were making a tune to sing the Wheel of Sharp Weapons...
Truly is beyond any logic why is everyone so hung up over these unenlightened deities that take trance of unenlightened deities... aren't they also clasified as "spirit" and they even give wrong predictions about His Holiness health, Tibet and even escape. So why do Tibetans continue to perpetuate unenlightened deities yet it is a huge crime/sin to perpetuate Dorje Shugden who actually saved His Holiness life by advising His escape... yet that is being totally erased and not to be mentioned.
Where is the logic here... are we the only ones seeing this obvious truth? I really do not know much about this lady that they so highly revered just because His Holiness says so and supports her - isn't that like just being politically correct?
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Khandro la and Lama Zopa Rinpoche playing the guitar, Seattle July 2012
They were making a tune to sing the Wheel of Sharp Weapons...
Truly is beyond any logic why is everyone so hung up over these unenlightened deities that take trance of unenlightened deities... aren't they also clasified as "spirit" and they even give wrong predictions about His Holiness health, Tibet and even escape. So why do Tibetans continue to perpetuate unenlightened deities yet it is a huge crime/sin to perpetuate Dorje Shugden who actually saved His Holiness life by advising His escape... yet that is being totally erased and not to be mentioned.
Khadro la is obviously extremely close to Lama Zopa, and perhaps, she escaped from Tibet to be with Lama Zopa as a consolation from his disappointing students. I still dont feel that she is a dakini, but perhaps she could be Lama Zopa's consort in his previous life as Lama Zopa was a Nyingma yogi and she had come here to help him feel better and to preserve his connection with samsara?
Where is the logic here... are we the only ones seeing this obvious truth? I really do not know much about this lady that they so highly revered just because His Holiness says so and supports her - isn't that like just being politically correct?
Everyone wants to be politically correct these days because it is so important to be right even if it means other people will get hurt from it. Well, that is the general perception anyway. Everyone wants to play it safe and does not want to find out more or do more research before forming their own conclusion.
Yup, I think khadro la might just be Lama Zopa's previous consort (we have to remember that women who are tantric usually have considerable spiritual achievements as well, this applies to the genuine consorts of real lamas such as Diana Mukpo for example) and she has to take trance of Tenma and escape to Tibet to build up the reputation to meet up with Lama Zopa again. It feels more like that but I cant say for sure. What do you think about this theory?
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FPMT was founded by Geshe Yeshe a great Shugden lama and on his entering clear light, his heart student Lama Zopa no longer propitiates Dorje Shugden and Geshe Yeshe's incarnation Lama Osel is no longer a monk nor associated to FPMT.
Now we hear of a Oracle Dakini is taking trance to heal Lama Zopa. What a lot of run around when life is so much simplier having Dorje Shugden as our Protector. Maybe some Lamas feel being on the good side of Dalai Lama is beneficial.
What do you think?
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FPMT was founded by Geshe Yeshe [...]
If I remember well what I read, Lama Yeshe did not want to become a Geshe, and the main reason was that he was horrified with the prospect of... being called “Geshe Yeshe”!
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What fortuitous timing that this post should be revived at a time when a new article on Lama Yeshe and FPMTs hypocrisy has been published: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/where-is-lama-yeshe/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/where-is-lama-yeshe/)
Hey FPMT, wake up and smell the coffee! Lama Yeshe is a Shugden lama. He entered clear light as a Shugden lama. He didn't give up his practice! Hope to see a memo going out soon throughout your whole organisation asking for his pictures to be removed from your altars!