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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: WisdomBeing on July 17, 2010, 06:10:24 AM
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Dear forum
I'm just curious which Rinpoche went to Tushita Heaven to receive teachings from Dorje Shugden?
According to http://www.dorjeshugdenhistory.org/among-shugden-texts-1876.html, it is Tagphu Padmavajra (1876 - 1935) and states:
"Tagphu Rinpoche later travelled to Tushita pure land and received this initiation from Je Tsongkhapa and Dulzin Dragpa Gyaltsen." (reference is Guru Deva Rinpoche (1984), pp. 555-556.)
however, under the "Ten Simple Reasons why Dorje Shugden is a Buddha",
http://www.wisdombuddhadorjeshugden.org/dorjeshugden10reasons.php
item 7. The practice of Dorje Shugden was taught by Je Tsongkhapa in Tushita Pure Land states that it is Tagpo Kelsang Khedrub Rinpoche:
"However, the current system of empowerment and worship is more recent and comes from a great Lama called Tagpo Kelsang Khedrub Rinpoche. Lama Tagpo went to Tushita Pure Land where he met Je Tsongkhapa and requested a teaching. In response, Je Tsongkhapa lifted up the cloth covering the front of the golden throne on which he was sitting, and the five lineages of Dorje Shugden emerged. Dorje Shugden then transmitted the practice to Lama Tagpo, just as Maitreya had transmitted five major philosophical treatises to Asanga in Tushita Pure Land in earlier times."
I had thought maybe it was a matter of spelling of names and the two are the same, but in another article (http://www.dorjeshugdenhistory.org/among-shugden-texts-1800a.html), it says:
"Dagpo Kelsang Khedrub was two generations before Pabongkha Rinpoche, being a guru of Dagpo Jampel Lhundrub who was one of Pabongkha Rinpoche’s gurus. A further distinction needs to be made to clarify also that Tagphu Padmavajra is distinct from Dagpo Jampel Lhundrub. Tagphu Padmavajra was also a root guru of Pabongkha Rinpoche and is listed in his lineage prayer of the Ghantapa Heruka body mandala after Kelsang Khedrub. Tagphu Padmavajra and Kelsang Khedrup played critical roles in the development of the Dorje Shugden practice which culminated with Pabongkha Rinpoche."
Can someone enlighten me?
Many thanks,
Kate
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I'm confused now.... ??? ???
So was it Tagphu Padmavajra or Dagpo/Tagpo Kelsang Kedrub who went to Tushita?
Pabongkha Rinpoche's Guru or his Guru's Guru?
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Oh dear...now I really have got a headache too? Are they the same person but spelt differently or not the same? Someone help us here. Please.
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Ask the Scholars on the site,
They are a Fountain of Knowledge.
You know the Oldies,
The ones who have been studying for the last 30--40- years,
Just to answer your questions.
How kind of them to be here.
Better to Look Before You Leap.
That's what Teacher are for.
Juniors should follow the Seniors
Then All Will Be Well
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Oh dear...now I really have got a headache too? Are they the same person but spelt differently or not the same? Someone help us here. Please.
It was Tagphu Pemavajra
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To native Tibetan speakers the pronunciation between "Dagpo" and "Tagphu" is quite distinct, but it is not distinct for many non-native speakers to notice the difference, particularly if they are not fluent. Since quite often things are transcribed loosely or by non-native Tibetan speakers that don't know Tibetan very well that's where the confusion comes in.
Second, orthographically they are also distinct, and again the loose transcription loses the subtlety. Wylie is an exact method for transcription:
1. dwags po (Dagpo) - a region in Southern Tibetan.
2. stag phu (Tagphu) - a reincarnate lama based in the nags shod region of Kham.
So, first Dagpo Kalsang Khedrup is a Lama from the dwags po region of Tibet and wrote the root verses of Music Delighting. Second, Tagphu Padmavajra (1876-1935) is a reincarnation of the Tagphu lineage that was one of *many* root lamas of Pabongkha Rinpoche. Third, Dagpo Jampel Lhundrup (1878-1941), also from the dwags po region of Tibet was yet another root lama of Pabongkha Rinpoche.
This is confusing. Not easy to understand. So Pabongka Rinpoche had two gurus with similar names? Which one went to Tushita to bring the practice to earth and which one wrote it out that we have the kangsol now??
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Tagphu Dorje Chang (Padma Vajra)received the Sogte directly from Tushita.
This was checked with a geshe here at Shar Gaden as well as a Rinpoche connected to Shar Gaden.
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To native Tibetan speakers the pronunciation between "Dagpo" and "Tagphu" is quite distinct, but it is not distinct for many non-native speakers to notice the difference, particularly if they are not fluent. Since quite often things are transcribed loosely or by non-native Tibetan speakers that don't know Tibetan very well that's where the confusion comes in.
Second, orthographically they are also distinct, and again the loose transcription loses the subtlety. Wylie is an exact method for transcription:
1. dwags po (Dagpo) - a region in Southern Tibetan.
2. stag phu (Tagphu) - a reincarnate lama based in the nags shod region of Kham.
So, first Dagpo Kalsang Khedrup is a Lama from the dwags po region of Tibet and wrote the root verses of Music Delighting. Second, Tagphu Padmavajra (1876-1935) is a reincarnation of the Tagphu lineage that was one of *many* root lamas of Pabongkha Rinpoche. Third, Dagpo Jampel Lhundrup (1878-1941), also from the dwags po region of Tibet was yet another root lama of Pabongkha Rinpoche.
This is confusing. Not easy to understand. So Pabongka Rinpoche had two gurus with similar names? Which one went to Tushita to bring the practice to earth and which one wrote it out that we have the kangsol now??
Hi THAIMONK
Kalsang Khedrup (from Dagpo)
Padmavajra (Tagphu reincarnation lineage)
Jampel Lhundrup (from Dagpo)
does this help?
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Tagphu Dorje Chang (Padma Vajra) is also mentioned in the 13 diety Yamantaka lineage prayer.
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Trinley,
Do you have a copy of the Pawo Chigpa (Solitary Hero) lineage prayer?
Also, I have heard you mention the Dorje Shugden De-Bum. Where can I aquire that? Is that the digital version from the TBRC?
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Oh dear...now I really have got a headache too? Are they the same person but spelt differently or not the same? Someone help us here. Please.
It was Tagphu Pemavajra
Crazycloud
Tagphu Pemavajra is the same as Tagphu Padmavajra? just want to confirm as it's quite confusing.
thanks
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I have a pdf version of the Gyalchen Bebum on my computer.
I am happy to let other Dorje Shugden practitioners have it, perhaps you could just let me know what you would plan on doing with it.
thanks :)
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Oh dear...now I really have got a headache too? Are they the same person but spelt differently or not the same? Someone help us here. Please.
It was Tagphu Pemavajra
Crazycloud
Tagphu Pemavajra is the same as Tagphu Padmavajra? just want to confirm as it's quite confusing.
thanks
(With the suspicion that I am being mocked, but unable to ignore a possibly sincere question.....)
yes, the same. Different spellings.
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Well, I checked in Music Delighting the Ocean of Protectors by Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche... Trijang Rinpoche wrote his text as a commentary to the praise of Dorje Shugden that was composed by Dagpo Kelsang Khedrub. It is in the introduction....
"There is a verse of praise of his three secrets by way of expressing his realization, known by its first words of 'Pagme Kel Ngon', composed by Dagpo Kelsang Khedrub with some slight amendments by he who is in essence, all? pervasive Heruka, Vajradhara Pabongka Dechen Nyingpo."
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The current incarnation of Dagpo Rinpoche (not Takpu Padma Vajra Dorje Chang) is now living and teaching in France.
Here is a photo of the current Dagpo Rinpoche-
(http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww247/Tenzin13/11112.jpg)
Here is a link to the Trijang Buddhist Institute's website and a short overview of the current Dagpo Rinpoche.
http://www.tbiusa.org/teachers/dagporinpoche (http://www.tbiusa.org/teachers/dagporinpoche)
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Well, I checked in Music Delighting the Ocean of Protectors by Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche... Trijang Rinpoche wrote his text as a commentary to the praise of Dorje Shugden that was composed by Dagpo Kelsang Khedrub. It is in the introduction....
"There is a verse of praise of his three secrets by way of expressing his realization, known by its first words of 'Pagme Kel Ngon', composed by Dagpo Kelsang Khedrub with some slight amendments by he who is in essence, all? pervasive Heruka, Vajradhara Pabongka Dechen Nyingpo."
Big Uncle,
Dagpo Kelsang Khedrub may have composed that praise but not necessarily have gone to Tushita?
This seems to be quite a conundrum :)
Tenzin Sungrab - thank you for posting the picture of the current incarnation of Dagpo Rinpoche. How kind he looks.
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My friend shared with me the following :
The Great Lamrim master, Dagpo Dorje Chang, went into meditation, left His body and travelled to the throne / place of Maitreya buddha. In the great assembly in Maitreya palace, Dagpo Dorje Chang folded His hands and requested Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen directly to please expound the mystical tantra, the mandala, the prayer, the lineage and the teachings about the dharma Proctector Dorje Shugden field.
In the text, Trijang Rinpoche said from the heart of Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen, rainbow lights eminated out and hit Lama Tsongkhapa's heart. Lama Tsongkhapa from His heart again lights came out and hit Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen's heart. Finally the last of the lights from Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen heart went out and went under Lama Tsongkhapa's throne.
From under Lama Tsongkhapa's throne, the complete mandala for the first time ever of Dorje Shugden, the 5 families, the 32 entourage, Karche Marpo appeared directly in front of the entourage, in front of the whole assembly.
And then Dagpo Dorje Chang had a vision, He saw the whole entourage, He saw who they are, instantly He received the teachings, the lineage, oral transmission, the instructions immediately. Then the whole mandala again dissolved back under Lama Tsongkhapa's throne, to show you who’s Protector they are! ;)
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I have also heard from the Sangha the following (this corresponds with that TS has already found out from the monks in Shar Gaden):
Pabongka Rinpoche had two Gurus:
1) Tagphu Padmavajra
2) Dagpo Lama Rinpoche
His root Guru was Tagphu Padmavajra, who was the one who went to Tushita Heaven and received the teachings/empowerment from Dorje Shugden.
The current incarnation of Dagpo Rinpoche resides in France; am not sure where Tagphu Padmavajra's incarnation is but probably in Tibet.
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Oh dear...now I really have got a headache too? Are they the same person but spelt differently or not the same? Someone help us here. Please.
It was Tagphu Pemavajra
Crazycloud
Tagphu Pemavajra is the same as Tagphu Padmavajra? just want to confirm as it's quite confusing.
thanks
(With the suspicion that I am being mocked, but unable to ignore a possibly sincere question.....)
yes, the same. Different spellings.
Is it also Tagphu Pemavajra who taught Je Pabongka the Lamrim at Dagpo monastery? Or someone else?
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According to Dorje Shugden History by Trinley Kelsang:
Kelsang Tenzin passed the lineage to Dagpo Kelsang Kedrub who passed it on to Dagpo Jampel Lundrub, who then passed it on to Pabongka Rinpoche.
Therefore, Dagpo Jampel Lundrub is Pabongka Rinpoche's guru and NOT Dagpo Kelsang Kedrub.
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Big Uncle,
Dagpo Kelsang Khedrub may have composed that praise but not necessarily have gone to Tushita?
This seems to be quite a conundrum :)
Tenzin Sungrab - thank you for posting the picture of the current incarnation of Dagpo Rinpoche. How kind he looks.
this is correct
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My friend shared with me the following :
The Great Lamrim master, Dagpo Dorje Chang, went into meditation, left His body and travelled to the throne / place of Maitreya buddha....
This is incorrect. This story relates the experiences of Tagphu Pemavajra, not Dagpo Rinpoche.
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CC, with no disrespect - but can you please site a source from where all your info is coming from? Then we are also able to read more about it?
Although I do appreciate you answering the questions, but would value it even more if there were sources from which you are extracting these info from.
I am sure as knowledgeable as you are, there are valid sources which will back up your statements.
It will benefit everyone a great deal if you could please share them.
Thanking you in advance.
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CC, with no disrespect - but can you please site a source from where all your info is coming from? Then we are also able to read more about it?
Although I do appreciate you answering the questions, but would value it even more if there were sources from which you are extracting these info from.
I am sure as knowledgeable as you are, there are valid sources which will back up your statements.
It will benefit everyone a great deal if you could please share them.
Thanking you in advance.
In the first post in the thread Kate properly cites Gurudeva Rinpoche (2001). Kyabje Zong Rinpoche also explained this in his teachings while in Canada in 1984. Tenzin Sungrab also gave good, if anecdotal evidence earlier in the thread. Also reason can help as this practice was passed directly to Pabongka Rinpoche and Dagpo Kelsang Kedrub was not a guru of Je Pabongka while Tagphu Pemavajra was. Also see Trinley Kelsang's blog for accurate info on this topic.
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Just to add to this topic:
http://truthaboutshugden.wordpress.com/2009/02/14/ribur-rinpoche-on-je-pabongka/
His root guru was Dagpo Lama Rinpoche Jampael Lhuendrub Gyatso, from Lhoka. He was Je Pabongka's Root Guru, Dagpo Bamcho definitely a bodhisattva, and Pabongka Rinpoche was his foremost disciple. He lived in a cave in Pasang and his main practice was bodhichitta; his main deity was Avalokiteshvara and he would recite 50,000 manis [the mantra, om mani padme hum] every night. When Kyabje Pabongka first met Dagpo Rinpoche at a tsog offering ceremony in Lhasa, he cried out of reverence from beginning to end.
The attached is a picture of Dagpo Lama Rinpoche Jampael Lhuendrub Gyatso.
(more info here too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagpo_Rinpoche)
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Thank you so much, WB. So kind of you to help.
So, to re-confirm - the picture that you have just shared of Dagpo Lama Rinpoche Jampael Lhuendrub Gyatso - this is not the same Lama who went to Tushita Heaven to receive the empowerment of Dorje Shugden?
The one who went to Tushita Heaven is Tagphu Pema Vajra? Is this correct?
Can anyone confirm this?
Thank you very much.
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Thank you so much, WB. So kind of you to help.
So, to re-confirm - the picture that you have just shared of Dagpo Lama Rinpoche Jampael Lhuendrub Gyatso - this is not the same Lama who went to Tushita Heaven to receive the empowerment of Dorje Shugden?
The one who went to Tushita Heaven is Tagphu Pema Vajra? Is this correct?
Can anyone confirm this?
Thank you very much.
You are correct. The picture of the Guru above in W.B.'s post is not the same as Tagpu Pema Vajra.
Here is a snip from the lineage picture. It lists Takpu Pema Vajra directly above Kyabje Pabongkha.
(http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww247/Tenzin13/takpupemevajra.jpg)
The Tibetan says: Homage to Drupchen Takpu Dorje Chang Padma Vajra.
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Thank you so much, WB. So kind of you to help.
So, to re-confirm - the picture that you have just shared of Dagpo Lama Rinpoche Jampael Lhuendrub Gyatso - this is not the same Lama who went to Tushita Heaven to receive the empowerment of Dorje Shugden?
The one who went to Tushita Heaven is Tagphu Pema Vajra? Is this correct?
Can anyone confirm this?
Thank you very much.
You are correct. The picture of the Guru above in W.B.'s post is not the same as Tagpu Pema Vajra.
Here is a snip from the lineage picture. It lists Takpu Pema Vajra directly above Kyabje Pabongkha.
([url]http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww247/Tenzin13/takpupemevajra.jpg[/url])
The Tibetan says: Homage to Drupchen Takpu Dorje Chang Padma Vajra.
Dear Tenzin Sungrab
There has been quite a bit of uncertainties surrounding this very important topic of who went to Tushita to receive the teachings/empowerment. Do you by any chance has a higher resolution graphic? I was thinking it'll be invaluable to have a picture which can be downloaded and high enough quality to print out.
thank you very much TS
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The image can be found in the pictures thread. I just took out the portion of Kyabje Takpu Dorje Chang and Kyabje Pabongkha Dorje Chang.
It is a great picture and presents the lineage as it was received by Je Pabongkha.
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Dear Tenzin Sungrab
There has been quite a bit of uncertainties surrounding this very important topic of who went to Tushita to receive the teachings/empowerment. Do you by any chance has a higher resolution graphic? I was thinking it'll be invaluable to have a picture which can be downloaded and high enough quality to print out.
thank you very much TS
I find it kinda cool that Tagphu Pemavajra is always depicted as a yogi instead of in proper lama dress. I suppose that might be because he preferred to spend time in solitary retreats rather than in large institutions. When my lama first taught the Dorje Shugden lineage, i found it really odd that Dulzin Dragpa Gyeltsen had passed the lineage directly to Tagphu Pemavajra. When it was clarified that he had actually travelled to Tushita Heaven to receive the mind transmission directly, I was stunned. The lineage is so short, just a few generations of lamas apart, and how incredibly fortunate we are to be able to practice him. Just think - from Dulzin to Tagphu to Pabongka to Trijang to .... the blessings are greater with a shorter lineage.
Just as Asanga travelled to Tushita to receive teachings from Maitreya directly, thus starting the method lineage, I like to think that Tagphu Pemavajra has started a new lineage that will bring similar great benefit.
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The image can be found in the pictures thread. I just took out the portion of Kyabje Takpu Dorje Chang and Kyabje Pabongkha Dorje Chang.
It is a great picture and presents the lineage as it was received by Je Pabongkha.
For your convenience - here's the link to the picture in the gallery:
http://dorjeshugden.com/images/gallery2/clear-resolution.jpg
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Thank you very much to everyone for all your explanations. I have summarized my understanding from the discussion above as follows:-
Dagpo Lama Rinpoche Jampael Lhuendrub Gyatso
- root Lama of Pabongka Rinpoche
- this is not the Lama who went to Tushita Heaven to receive the empowerment of Dorje Shugden
Tagphu Padmavajra
– also root Lama of Pabongka Rinpoche
- went to Tushita Heaven and received the teachings/empowerment from Dorje Shugden
Dagpo Kelsang Kedrub
- is two generation above Pabongka Rinpoche, guru of Dagpo Lama Rinpoche Jampael Lhuendrub Gyatso who was Pabongka Rinpoche’s root lama
- may have composed the praise to Dorje Shugden as mentioned in Trijang Rinpoche’s commentary in Music Delighting the Ocean of Protectors but not necessarily have gone to Tushita
- he is not a guru of Pabangka Rinpoche.
Please confirm if I have understood correctly. The close similarity of the names of these Lamas is quite confusing to me.
Also, I have one question. Who transmitted Lamrin to Pabongka Rinpoche?? Was it Dagpo Lama Rinpoche Jampael Lhuendrub Gyatso or Tagphu Padmavajra??
HELP!!!
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Dear WT,
Thanks for summarising the whole info in this thread to make it easier for the rest of us. I also hope that someone can help shed more light into this. It is confusing indeed as sometimes some Lamas' names have been spelt differently but it is the same Lama, and sometimes it is two different persons.
I second the call for HELP.
Thank you all in advance.
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Wosel... i'm curious - can one person have TWO root Lamas? I thought that we only have a single root Guru who is the teacher who made the biggest impact on us?
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Wosel... i'm curious - can one person have TWO root Lamas? I thought that we only have a single root Guru who is the teacher who made the biggest impact on us?
I do not have an answer to your question from any text or reference, but by logic, perhaps I can offer an explanation.
The definition of root lama or Tsawai Lama is the lama under whom you learn the most, who is able to bring you furthest in your spiritual journey, your spiritual guide and spiritual friend.
To say that there can be only one root lama is too confining. Just as one's yidam can change over the course of one's life, according to what one's need is at the time, then logically so too can one have different root lamas for different periods of one's life.
Another way to look at a root lama is by different areas of practice. To have one root lama for say, sutra, and another for tantra, with each lama being supremely qualified in their special area of expertise, perhaps this is another explanation for having more than one root lama.
Any comments would be appreciated :)
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I too was quite confused until I read through this below. Hope it helps! Although I still have some questions to ask (later!). WoselTenzin has summarised the facts correctly.
a) Tagphu Padmavajra (1876-1935) – one of Pabongkha Rinpoche’s Root Guru whom he met EARLIER, who went to Tushita to receive teachings on Dorje Shugden
Tagphu Padmavajra was born in 1876, and at age 13 he entered Drepung Monastery and studied the Five Great Classic Texts. At age 19 he returned to Kham. Then again at age 30 he returned to Central Tibet for a pilgrimage. In particular according to a secret prophecy from his tutelary deity, Tagphu Dorje Chang purposely came to Central Tibet and met with Pabongkha Rinpoche.
In the iron bird year (1921) and several times earlier, Dorje Shugden entered a human medium to request Pabongkha Rinpoche to write a new life entrustment ritual. Pabongkha first wrote the “seed text” for this but felt it was inadequate. So he gave this “seed text” to Tagphu Rinpoche and made detailed requests to him. Tagphu Rinpoche later travelled to Tushita pure land and received this initiation from Je Tsongkhapa and Dulzin Dragpa Gyaltsen.
From: http://www.dorjeshugdenhistory.org/among-shugden-texts-1876.html
b) Dagpo Jampel Lhundrub (1845-1919) - one of Pabongkha Rinpoche’s Root Guru who taught Pabongkha Rinpoche Lamrim
i) One evening Pabongkha Rinpoche heard of the unsurpassed Dagpo Lama Rinpoche (Dagpo Lama Jampel Lhundrub) residing in the Dagpo region. At this time Pabongkha Rinpoche requested Tagphu Rinpoche for advice on when he should go to Dagpo Rinpoche (Dagpo Lama Jampel Lhundrub) and how long he should stay there.
From: http://www.dorjeshugdenhistory.org/among-shugden-texts-1876.html
ii) When he (Pabongkha Rinpoche) was young, he received lamrim teachings from Dagpo Lama Jampel Lhundrub, and when the customary ritual for generation of bodhichitta was held at the end of the teachings, he actually generated bodhichitta. When this happened, Jampel Lhundrub ordered a throne to be set up for the young Phabongka. On hearing the Sevenfold Cause-and-Effect instructions for the first time, his mind was greatly moved, and he wept.
From: Chod in the Ganden Tradition The Oral Instructions of Kyabje Zong Rinpoche By Kyabje Zong Rinpoche Snow lion 2006
c) Dagpo Kelsang Khedrub – Lineage guru of Pabongkha Rinpoche
Dagpo Kelsang Khedrub is listed in Pabongkha Rinpoche’s works as a lineage lama. Pabongkha Rinpoche mentions that this particular tradition has a long history of great masters in the Dagpo region who achieved great results in conjunction with the Heruka body mandala. These masters were most likely hermits, dwelling in rural Dagpo, isolated from the Lhasa traditions.
Thus, their works and lives are less well known, and it was Pabongkha Rinpoche through his connection with Dagpo Jampel Lhundrub (1845-1919) [one of his root Gurus] who brought them and their southern tradition of this Lam-Rim out of obscurity.
Dagpo Kelsang Khedrub received this lineage from Kelsang Tenzin, and Dagpo Kelsang Khedrub later passed it on to Dagpo Jampel Lhundrub, who in turn passed it on to Pabongkha Rinpoche, as quoted from Liberation in the Palm of Your Hand:
He gave the teaching to the powerful adept Kaelzang Kaedrub, who also achieved his clairvoyant powers through the Chakrasamvara practices. My own precious guru, my refuge and protector, heard the teachings from him.
From: http://www.dorjeshugdenhistory.org/among-shugden-texts-1800a.html
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Just to add to this topic:
[url]http://truthaboutshugden.wordpress.com/2009/02/14/ribur-rinpoche-on-je-pabongka/[/url]
His root guru was Dagpo Lama Rinpoche Jampael Lhuendrub Gyatso, from Lhoka. He was Je Pabongka's Root Guru, Dagpo Bamcho definitely a bodhisattva, and Pabongka Rinpoche was his foremost disciple. He lived in a cave in Pasang and his main practice was bodhichitta; his main deity was Avalokiteshvara and he would recite 50,000 manis [the mantra, om mani padme hum] every night. When Kyabje Pabongka first met Dagpo Rinpoche at a tsog offering ceremony in Lhasa, he cried out of reverence from beginning to end.
The attached is a picture of Dagpo Lama Rinpoche Jampael Lhuendrub Gyatso.
(more info here too: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagpo_Rinpoche[/url])
Strange... The current Dagpo Rinpoche who is residing in France gave me the above picture as his past incarnation. Surely he isn't mistaken.
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Just to add to this topic:
[url]http://truthaboutshugden.wordpress.com/2009/02/14/ribur-rinpoche-on-je-pabongka/[/url]
His root guru was Dagpo Lama Rinpoche Jampael Lhuendrub Gyatso, from Lhoka. He was Je Pabongka's Root Guru, Dagpo Bamcho definitely a bodhisattva, and Pabongka Rinpoche was his foremost disciple. He lived in a cave in Pasang and his main practice was bodhichitta; his main deity was Avalokiteshvara and he would recite 50,000 manis [the mantra, om mani padme hum] every night. When Kyabje Pabongka first met Dagpo Rinpoche at a tsog offering ceremony in Lhasa, he cried out of reverence from beginning to end.
The attached is a picture of Dagpo Lama Rinpoche Jampael Lhuendrub Gyatso.
(more info here too: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagpo_Rinpoche[/url])
Strange... The current Dagpo Rinpoche who is residing in France gave me the above picture as his past incarnation. Surely he isn't mistaken.
Dear Icy,
i do believe that the Dagpo Rinpoche currently residing in France is the incarnation of Dagpo Rinpoche mentioned in this article, (http://truthaboutshugden.wordpress.com/2009/02/14/ribur-rinpoche-on-je-pabongka/) so he is definitely not mistaken!
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Thank you all for providing lots of valuable information and especially to, VajraProtect who took the time to list down the various Tagphu, and Dagpo Rinpoches.
I am very glad that there is a Forum like this for continuous learning and sharing of information.
Thank you again and have a good night.
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Dear WB
So I see .... Dagpo Rinpoche's past incarnation is not Tagpu Pema Vajra and hence that black and white picture (dakpo bamchoe) of Dagpo Rinpoche's past incarnation which you posted in this forum is not Tagpu Pema Vajra. Is that so?