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Yet another young Lama is teaching again... Lama Osel, the incarnation of Lama Yeshe, an ardent Dorje Shugden practitioner, is teaching on 9 February 2013 in a centre in Bangalore.
This period of time seems to be a conducive time for the young Lamas to be emerging... HH Trijang Rinpoche on his Europe tour (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=3063.0 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=3063.0)), Rabgya Rinpoche (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/how-five-powerful-lamas-are-changing-the-world/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/how-five-powerful-lamas-are-changing-the-world/)) and now Lama Osel stepping forward to teach.
It is great that while HH Trijang Rinpoche and Lama Osel are both manifesting as lay people at the moment, they are still turning the wheel of Dharma.
We are living in exciting times!
https://www.facebook.com/events/152876254866268/ (https://www.facebook.com/events/152876254866268/)
Saturday, 9 February 2013
16:00 in UTC+05:30
Ashwini, No. 24, 1st floor, 3rd Main St, Domlur Layout, Bangalore, India 560071
Dear all
We have yet another occasion to rejoice at Choe Khor Sum Ling!
From the time of Lama Yeshe's passing in 1984, Lama Zopa Rinpoche had been engaged in the search for his reincarnation. It was in May 1986 that Osel Hita Torres, who was then still a toddler, was identified and officially declared the reincarnation of Lama Yeshe.
Lama Tenzin Osel Rinpoche was born on February 12th 1985 in Bubion, Spain, to Maria Torres and Paco Hita.When he was born, Lama Osel was so serene and his face seemed full of light that his parents gave him the name Osel Hita Torres. Osel in Tibetan means 'Radiant Light'.
Lama Osel studied movie making and along with his co-director Matteo Passigato released a new film 'Being Your True Nature'. The 20-minute movie introduces viewers to Universal Education for Compassion and Wisdom, Lama Yeshe’s vision for creating a happier and more peaceful world.
We are fortunate and we immensly rejoice that Lama Tenzin Osel Hita will be spending an evening with the students of Choe Khor Sum Ling this February.
This teaching is open for all to attend and we invite you to join us on the auspicious occasion. We will soon email you the topic of the teaching along with all other details. To register and for inquiries, please email us at [email protected].
BhavatuSarvaMangalam
Team CKSL
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I'm glad tat Lama Osel is finally teaching again, but hmm...what? It's not an FPMT center? But but but the stuff in FPMT centers are always modern and kept nice and clean...why would Lama Osel chose a center that is not FPMT? Seems to me that he wants to teach everyone and anyone but the students of FPMT but he would support them in other forms.....hmmm...maybe because..could it be the broken samaya from all the FPMT students that has caused him to not teach in FPMT anymore, and for Lama Zopa's Maitriya project to be dragged to so long until it is now to a standstill? Maybe FPMT members should really reflect on why Lama Osel would rather teach in another center but just not their center. Time to wake up!
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Darling Ensapa,
Choe Khor Sum Ling Centre IS a FPMT centre.
From their facebook:
Choe Khor Sum Ling Centre is a group meant for the study and practice of Mahayana Buddhism following the lineage and example of Lord Buddha.
The Centre was founded in 2003 by Lama Zopa Rinpoche at the request of His Holiness the XIV Dalai Lama. It is a study group of the Foundation for the Preservation of the Mahayana Tradition ([url=http://www.fpmt.org]www.fpmt.org[/url] ([url]http://www.fpmt.org[/url])).
Courses on various aspects of the Buddhist philosophy and meditation techniques by highly accomplished teachers are offered here for free.
I am happy that Lama Osel is back at FPMT. I hope that this is the beginning of his assuming his rightful role as a successor to Lama Zopa.
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Oh this is very good news!
I believe there were some concerns that he seemed to be going away from the Dharma and some discussion that perhaps the broken samayas of students was keeping Lama Yeshe's energy and presence away. This is related to discussions about how FPMT gave up their practice of Dorje Shugden, of course, since Lama Yeshe was such a strong DS practitioner. There's an interesting article I just read on the website about this, called, (not surprisingly) The Broken Samayas of FPMT.
So it's wonderful to hear this news, that the young Lama Yeshe tulku is manifesting teaching again! Perhaps it wasn't a matter of samaya after all, but something like what has been happening with other young tulku like Trijang Rinpoche - they are just awaiting the right time to emerge!
I'm very curious to also know what other very special DS tulkus like Zong Rinpoche, Pabongka Rinpoche will emerge and what they will create for the lineage!
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Darling Ensapa,
Choe Khor Sum Ling Centre IS a FPMT centre.
From their facebook:
Choe Khor Sum Ling Centre is a group meant for the study and practice of Mahayana Buddhism following the lineage and example of Lord Buddha.
The Centre was founded in 2003 by Lama Zopa Rinpoche at the request of His Holiness the XIV Dalai Lama. It is a study group of the Foundation for the Preservation of the Mahayana Tradition ([url=http://www.fpmt.org]www.fpmt.org[/url] ([url]http://www.fpmt.org[/url])).
Courses on various aspects of the Buddhist philosophy and meditation techniques by highly accomplished teachers are offered here for free.
I am happy that Lama Osel is back at FPMT. I hope that this is the beginning of his assuming his rightful role as a successor to Lama Zopa.
Ah okay, i guess i missed out the part where Lama Zopa's name is as usually FPMT centers would declare that they are FPMT centers in a very obvious way but this one does not for some reason. But in any case, it is good that Lama Osel is starting to teach again. Maybe he will teach in other less politically inclined centers and he will shine again just like his predecessor. Or perhaps he manifested as a layperson to gain more insight into the lives of ordinary people like us just so that he can formulate better teachings that will reach out to more people?
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This is fantastic news! I remember reading about Lama Osel leaving the Monastery to pursue his passion in filmology some time back. So it is really good news to know that He is coming out to teach now, which is His true nature. Could this also signify that He would be advocating the practice of Dorje Shugden in the near future since Lama Yeshe (His past life) was a practitioner of Dorje Shugden till His last breath?
Also, I read in this forum recently that Lama Osel is taking a more active role now in FPMT. Excited indeed! More information in this thread entitled 'Lama Osel's letter to FPMT'..http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=2815.msg37590#msg37590 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=2815.msg37590#msg37590)
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I wonder if Lama Osel will openly practice Dorje Shugden. It is impossible for him to not practice because he has been practicing it for his entire life and the mind will always continue from the previous life so most probably one can easily deduce that he is still practicing it but he is keeping it quiet, much like how Lama Zopa is practicing. Or him starting to teach is also an indication that the Dalai Lama will lift the ban soon? This seemed to coincide with with The Dalai Lama's change of tone towards Dorje Shugden. Did anyone realize this?
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This is a very good news to know that young lamas like Lama Osel are out to teach now! I believe this is also his passion and that is why even though Lama Osel left the monastery to pursue filmology. I think perhaps Lama Osel would think perhaps this is the perfect time for him to come out and teach again. I think he will teach the practice of Dorje Shugden given that his previous life was a practitioner of Dorje Shugden. Wouldn't it be the case? I think many of the Lamas out there would be giving teachings of Dorje Shugden secretly to avoid attention. So i would think Lama Osel would be the same.
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This is a very good news to know that young lamas like Lama Osel are out to teach now! I believe this is also his passion and that is why even though Lama Osel left the monastery to pursue filmology. I think perhaps Lama Osel would think perhaps this is the perfect time for him to come out and teach again. I think he will teach the practice of Dorje Shugden given that his previous life was a practitioner of Dorje Shugden. Wouldn't it be the case? I think many of the Lamas out there would be giving teachings of Dorje Shugden secretly to avoid attention. So i would think Lama Osel would be the same.
That is what i am inclined to believe as well, that there are many Gelug Lamas out there who practice Dorje Shugden in secret, especially those who are not based in Dharamsala, mainly because i dont think so that high lamas would abandon their Dharma lineage so easily. If Lamas were to abandon the lineage that easily, I doubt that they can be successful in their Dharma works. After all, the tulku system was set up based on the idea that lineage is important and lineage blessings are important and vital for the realization of wisdom and tantra. Without that as a base, the tulku system would fall apart, as well as the mahamudra lineage. So on that basis, I dont think most lamas would give Dorje Shugden up that easily
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For anyone who would like to listen to the teaching by Lama Osel, you can download or listen online here. http://www.archive.org/download/http://archive.org/details/HowToUnderstandOurRealityFromTheUniversalPointOfViewByLamaOsel (http://www.archive.org/download/http://archive.org/details/HowToUnderstandOurRealityFromTheUniversalPointOfViewByLamaOsel)
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You guys, I am not sure if any of you have noticed the timing of these Lamas coming out (so to speak), Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche and Lama Osel. We somehow suspect that Lama Osel did not get involved with FPMT earlier because of broken samaya of the collective decision FPMT to stop Dorje Shugden practice. If that's true, I wonder if by him emerging from the woodworks right now also means that the ban on Dorje Shugden is going to be released soon. Well, I am hoping. I am glad that Lama Zopa used his illness a means to appeal to Lama Osel to return to his duties.
Here's a nice happy video of Lama Zopa Rinpoche, Osel, Geshe Jangchub, Sangpo and Karuna with new friends at Kopan Monastery. August 2011 with some monkey soft toys. ;)
Lama Zopa Rinpoche and Osel, Geshe Jangchub, Sangpo and Karuna with new friends (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCo0tSfmucA#ws)
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More and more great news! Current great Tulkus and emerging Tulkus are coming forth to teach dharma. More and more dharma centres being opened throughout the world. More and more people are looking at Buddhism as an antidote to their unhappiness, searching online for their answers. These searchers may not find what they are looking for in this forum but they certainly will under the General Buddhism category. Dharma should be about this and not about enforcing a ban on a practice that brings about spiritual progress.
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It's always nice to know that there are more and more tulkus emerging. First it's Trijang Rinpoche and now it is Lama Osel. I cant wait for Zong Rinpoche to emerge and for him to start teaching again. that will be amazing to him teach side by side with Trijang Rinpoche and finally, it would be amazing for Pabongkha Rinpoche to start teaching again in the west. I wonder if Lama Osel would visit any other FPMT centers around the world...especially those with the sign that Dorje Shugden practitioners are not welcomed. Hehehehehhe
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This is great news to read of another young tulku coming out to turn the dharma wheel and carrying on with the works from their previous lifes. It is really no big surprise that Lama Osel have choose to pursue his interest in filmology since the centre that his previous life have started decided to abandon Dorje Shugden practice, the practice that his previous life have been so involved in. I hope that this is one of the clear good signs that the ban will be lifted soon and people everywhere can practice DS freely. And may the lineage and teachings of Lord Tsongkhapa will flourish and reach all corners of the universe.
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Did you know that Lama Osel has an Osel Ladrang too? I just found this out when i saw it on my fb:
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Osel Hita
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with Kunkyen, Tenzin Osel and Ven.Pemba at Osel Labrang Sera Jey
Photo by Ven.Roger Kunsang
Interesting how Lama Osel is a layperson but has a full fledged Ladrang in Sera Jey. Perhaps he is really a Lama in the clothes of a layperson so that he can reach out to more people?
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There are many parallels between Trijang Rinpoche and Lama Osel both are not in monk's robes anymore, but that does no mean they are not doing the dharma or doing what they feel they are destined to do. Could it be telling the world they will spread the dharma through many ways, and it can be exactly what the people need now. Modern dharma for a modern society. I recall what one lama said yes I may not be in robes but that does not mean I am not practicing the dharma.
I have not read anywhere about the comments of Lama Osel on Dorje Shugden that might be a good sign, perhaps he is hiding his allegiance about his beliefs.
Lama Osel was a force of nature in bringing the dharma to the West, can' wait for this lama to come to his own.
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This is good news to know that Lama Osel is starting to teach. I have been looking at his facebook and I find that his teachings are light and easy to attract more lay people from the west and also east. Of course, the fact that he uses facebook as a tool of communication and spreading of dharma shows that he will attract young, progressive students. I am sure he has his methods, after all, he is the incarnation of Lama Yeshe whom is known to use methods which has attracted the west to dharma.
Now the next question will be whether Lama Osel will embrace the practice of Dorje Shugden like his previous incarnation.
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There are many parallels between Trijang Rinpoche and Lama Osel both are not in monk's robes anymore, but that does no mean they are not doing the dharma or doing what they feel they are destined to do. Could it be telling the world they will spread the dharma through many ways, and it can be exactly what the people need now. Modern dharma for a modern society. I recall what one lama said yes I may not be in robes but that does not mean I am not practicing the dharma.
I have not read anywhere about the comments of Lama Osel on Dorje Shugden that might be a good sign, perhaps he is hiding his allegiance about his beliefs.
Lama Osel was a force of nature in bringing the dharma to the West, can' wait for this lama to come to his own.
I'd like to see it as Trijang Rinpoche and Lama Osel manifesting displeasure about the Dorje Shugden ban or rather how the ban manifested amongst the followers because both can easily go to the US or somewhere else and resume to be a monk and do their retreats, but they chose to be laypeople and talk about being laypeople (especially in the case of Lama Osel) to show their former students perhaps that they are wrong about Dorje Shugden. Trijang Rinpoche has started to do his Dharma works, and I am guessing that Lama Osel would soon start very soon as well given the current circumstances.
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Lamas are taking turns and emerging to continue to turn the wheel of Dharma. An elite and immaculate lama such as Trijang Rinpoche are roaming amongst us and teaching us what we know in our terms and within what our minds are comfortable with. Talk about compassion within these lamas!
Where did Lama Osel do his monastics study at by the way? or are his imprints so strong that his current incarnation has all the knowledge from his previous lives (which I think could be the case). There must be a reason why the young lamas are emerging at this time to start teaching and turning the wheel of dharma again.
I remember Lama Osel didn't want to have anything to do with FPMT anymore (please correct me if I am wrong), but then mid last year, he started reconnecting with Lama Zopa and then got more involved in the works at FPMT. Now Lama Osel is teaching. Next, he will be giving initiations to DS practise (I hope). At the same time, late last year, Trijang Rinpoche started to turn the wheel of Dharma again.
Maybe Lama Osel is using a different tactic to bring Dorje Shugden back to FPMT. First, teach them, gain their trust, and then re-introduce DS back into FPMT's curriculum?
I wonder what's so significant about the timing these highly attained lamas have chosen to start turning the wheel of Dharma?
Next will be Zong Rinpoche, Pabongkha Rinpoche.
The lineage gurus are back to continue the lineage!!
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Lamas are taking turns and emerging to continue to turn the wheel of Dharma. An elite and immaculate lama such as Trijang Rinpoche are roaming amongst us and teaching us what we know in our terms and within what our minds are comfortable with. Talk about compassion within these lamas!
Where did Lama Osel do his monastics study at by the way? or are his imprints so strong that his current incarnation has all the knowledge from his previous lives (which I think could be the case). There must be a reason why the young lamas are emerging at this time to start teaching and turning the wheel of dharma again.
I remember Lama Osel didn't want to have anything to do with FPMT anymore (please correct me if I am wrong), but then mid last year, he started reconnecting with Lama Zopa and then got more involved in the works at FPMT. Now Lama Osel is teaching. Next, he will be giving initiations to DS practise (I hope). At the same time, late last year, Trijang Rinpoche started to turn the wheel of Dharma again.
Maybe Lama Osel is using a different tactic to bring Dorje Shugden back to FPMT. First, teach them, gain their trust, and then re-introduce DS back into FPMT's curriculum?
I wonder what's so significant about the timing these highly attained lamas have chosen to start turning the wheel of Dharma?
Next will be Zong Rinpoche, Pabongkha Rinpoche.
The lineage gurus are back to continue the lineage!!
Lama Osel has been pretty much elusive and confusing with his approach to FPMT. To worldly magazines, he tells them that he was forced to study in the monastery against his will and he did not like it at all and all he wanted to be is a normal person while to the Dharma crowd, he tells them that he and FPMT are no different. So which is which? Perhaps, the broken samaya from not practicing and discriminating against Dorje Shugden has caused this, and Lama Osel is slowly thinking of ways to bring Dorje Shugden back to the FPMT people. It is for sure that Lama Zopa and Lama Osel has not and never gave up their Dorje Shugden practice.
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Lama Osel has been pretty much elusive and confusing with his approach to FPMT.
To worldly magazines, he tells them that he was forced to study in the monastery against his will and he did not like it at all and all he wanted to be is a normal person while to the Dharma crowd, he tells them that he and FPMT are no different.
So which is which? Perhaps, the broken samaya from not practicing and discriminating against Dorje Shugden has caused this, and Lama Osel is slowly thinking of ways to bring Dorje Shugden back to the FPMT people.
It is for sure that Lama Zopa and Lama Osel has not and never gave up their Dorje Shugden practice.
I think it can be both? Can't it?
For example, one may have a strong wish to be a heart surgeon and then hate the years of study at university that lead to that job...
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I think it can be both? Can't it?
For example, one may have a strong wish to be a heart surgeon and then hate the years of study at university that lead to that job...
In interviews with worldly magazines, he has repeatedly said that his job as a teacher has been forced upon him and he does not wish to be a teacher but to be a normal person. And of course, this generates a lot of media flurry and also much doubt over the tulku system amongst laypeople who are not Dharmic at all: do the monks actually force people into their roles against their will? The way Lama Osel worded it was more like he just wanted to quit being a Lama and go to a lay life in those interviews. So I dont really feel that from the sound of those interviews what you have described.