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Kyabje Ling Rinpoche, the main organizer of the Jangchup Lamrim teachings with His Holiness the Dalai Lama currently taking place in Mundgod Tibetan Settlement in India, was injured in a deadly automobile collision the day before the teachings began. According to Phayul.com, Ling Rinpoche was traveling to Goa to receive His Holiness on November 29 when there was an accident, which left the driver of Rinpoche’s car dead. Ling Rinpoche is in a hospital in Goa and reported to be “out of danger.”
Lama Zopa Rinpoche’s attendant Ven. Roger Kunsang, who is currently at the teachings in Mundgod with Lama Zopa Rinpoche, shared in an email that Ling Rinpoche received the full impact of the collision and should be dead. He also wrote that Rangjung Neljorma Khadro Namsel Drolma (Khadro-la) miraculously arrived at the scene of the accident five minutes after it happened, just after Ling Rinpoche, who was in a great deal of pain, had been freed from the car.
“Khadro-la had just arrived in Goa (about two or three hours away) and said to her two attendants they needed to do puja as it was a bad day, and then suddenly she said they should leave Goa straight away and drive quickly ? that was all!” Ven. Roger wrote. “Then they came on the accident scene. There was no one else there. The accident had just happened and one man had dragged Ling Rinpoche free. It was a strange scene they said. The driver was already dead. Also in the car was TT-la (a 79-year-old monk who had been the previous Ling Rinpoche’s secretary), who was in a bad way, as well as another young monk. It took a long time to get help.
“Khadro-la took control of the whole scene and started checking everyone and doing her thing,” Ven. Roger wrote. “They got everyone to a small hospital and after some quick patching and more transport, took them to the main hospital in Goa ? in all more than eight hours. It was 11 hours before they got Ling Rinpoche in on the operating table and then it was a seven-hour operation. The young monk is OK. TT-la has had several operations and seems stable.”
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Photo of local paper reporting on November 29, 2012, accident involving Ling Rinpoche
Source: [url]http://www.mandalamagazine.org/2012/ling-rinpoche-in-car-accident-out-of-danger/[/url] ([url]http://www.mandalamagazine.org/2012/ling-rinpoche-in-car-accident-out-of-danger/[/url])
This news is shocking but I'm sure many are relief that Ling Rinpoche is "out of danger" for now. Did Ling Rinpoche manifest the accident to absorb the karmas of many who would be attending the Lamrim teachings. Let us all pray for Ling Rinpoche's swift recovery!
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The news is shocking and sad. Bad news that the person driving Kyabje Ling Rinpoche died. But if it's some consolation to the family of the deceased, he died while driving a high reincarnate lama and had collected some merit.
It's good news that Kyabje and his aides are recovering. I've heard of high lamas manifesting miracles and "disasters" to benefit certain people and surroundings. Maybe to absorb the karma of those attending the Lamrim teaching and also the karma of the dead driver. Who knows.
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The picture is so gruelling as I could not imagine the extend of the accident until I saw this picture!!! It is really good news that Ling Rinpoche is out of danger and now recuperating from the accident. Maybe it is true that this accident is manifested by Ling Rinpoche because there is a huge teaching by the Dalai Lama and in order to benefit from the teaching, one would need to have enough karma to receive it. So, this accident may have eliminated some bad karma for many people so that the teaching will be held successfully and benefits many.
It is also a miracle that help is readily available by Khadro-La who was not part of Ling Rinpoche's entourage. This may be due the presence and assistance from Ling Rinpoche's protector.
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The picture is so gruelling as I could not imagine the extend of the accident until I saw this picture!!! It is really good news that Ling Rinpoche is out of danger and now recuperating from the accident. Maybe it is true that this accident is manifested by Ling Rinpoche because there is a huge teaching by the Dalai Lama and in order to benefit from the teaching, one would need to have enough karma to receive it. So, this accident may have eliminated some bad karma for many people so that the teaching will be held successfully and benefits many.
It is also a miracle that help is readily available by Khadro-La who was not part of Ling Rinpoche's entourage. This may be due the presence and assistance from Ling Rinpoche's protector.
Khadro La is actually Tenma's oracle. She takes trance of Tenma for the Dalai Lama. She used to stay in Tibet when someone told her to go to india to meet the Dalai Lama and she has been recognized as a dakini since. Traditionally, Gelugs do not recognize dakinis (not female tulkus) and she is the first one to be recognized as such. She helped Lama Zopa heal from his stroke as well. I have not met a dakini before and I have no idea what they can do but it seems that Khandro La is helping lamas around to heal and avert disasters. There are also youtube videos of her giving teachings as well.
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Ensapa... this is video you are referring to i believe?
Lama Zopa Rinpoche, Phari Rinpoche and Khadro la doing puja (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtxGTKVNN9o#ws)
Apparently many also believed that she is not just the mountain goddess Tenma and that she is actually an emanation of Tara and Vajrayogini? Can anyone verify if this is true???
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Oh my, the car looks real bad!!! I read about the accident before, but I had no idea of the impact of the accident till I saw the picture. Looking at it, if Ling Rinpoche was in the front passenger seat, Rinpoche must have gotten a full impact during the accident.. it is a miracle that Rinpoche survived, as the driver of the car unfortunately did not.
I wonder what caused the accident to manifest before such an auspicious event, HHDL giving teachings on the Lamrim. And I also wonder how coincidenal (or not) that Khadro-la was there to help and assist. I am glad that Ling Rinpoche is alright now regardless.
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I didn't know the accident was that bad until I saw the picture in that news article..oh my I am very glad Ling Rinpoche is alright.
Those people who had the fortune to attend HH the Dalai Lama's teachings should be very grateful as Ling Rinpoche very obviously absorbed all their negative karma. What a wonderful and compassionate Bodhisattva Ling Rinpoche is!
This is the thing about all the High Lamas we know. They are more than willing to go down to the ground and to protect their students in any way they can just so their students will be fine and for the Dharma to spread. We have to ask ourselves for all that our Guru has done for us, what have we in return offered to our Guru? The greatest gift our Guru wants isn't more gifts or money but for our minds to transform for the better. Better in the sense that we treasure the Dharma and go all the way with our practices letting go of our evil attachments, desire and so on.
How many of us have actually done so for our Gurus who suffered so much just so we can receive dharma teachings?
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Thanks for sharing the news and relieved to know that Kyabje Ling Rinpoche is safe now after such a deadly car accident. It is great to have Khadro-la who reached in time to do the necessary so that the Kyabje Ling Rinpoche is saved. It must be the Dharma Protector is helping.
I too agreed to the saying that Kyabje Ling Rinpoche manifested this accident in order to clear the bad karma of those attending HH Dalai Lama teachings. I think the bad karma largely would be caused by some of them banning Dorje Shugden and harming the Dorje Shugden practitioners.
Would really hope one day all Dorje Shugden practitioners would be able to hear the teaching of HH Dalai Lama too.
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This is apparent that the people today have so much negative karma even a high reincarnated lama has to absorb so much in order for people to attend the teachings. Obviously, Ling Rinpoche has no karma to be hurt therefore he gotten out of the situation but sad that the driver is dead, however it is said that to be able to dead in the presence of a high lama is blessed and karma purified.
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Thank Buddha Ling Rinpoche is out of Danger! May all be bless and Ling Rinpoche recovers fast. Long Live Rinpoche!
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OMB... Looking at the picture indeed sends shivers down my spine. Like most of you here, the extent of the accident was unclear till now. How Ling Rinpoche survived is indeed a miracle but no surprise as Ling Rinpoche does not have the karma to die in such a manner.
I am of the opinion that in his compassion Ling Rinpoche did indeed absorb a lot of negative karma for the people attending the teachings and the locals. The driver that passed away is indeed very 'lucky' and blessed to have died serving such an acclaimed master!
It goes to show how much "suffering" and "pain" high lamas of such calibre go through to help us purify... If one relates it to the Ban on Dorje Shugden, one can then see how certain elements fall into place... how some high lamas, follow and some do not. Whatever their "actions", the focus and the results will be the same. Time will tell when the reign of our King is no longer in debate!
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Thanks for sharing the news and relieved to know that Kyabje Ling Rinpoche is safe now after such a deadly car accident. It is great to have Khadro-la who reached in time to do the necessary so that the Kyabje Ling Rinpoche is saved. It must be the Dharma Protector is helping.
I too agreed to the saying that Kyabje Ling Rinpoche manifested this accident in order to clear the bad karma of those attending HH Dalai Lama teachings. I think the bad karma largely would be caused by some of them banning Dorje Shugden and harming the Dorje Shugden practitioners.
Would really hope one day all Dorje Shugden practitioners would be able to hear the teaching of HH Dalai Lama too.
There could be another reason to why the accident manifested - as a very clear warning that whatever it is that is being imposed on Ling Rinpoche with regards to the Dorje Shugden ban may cause the CTA to lose Ling Rinpoche. If they keep up with the ban, sooner or later they will lose all their lineage Lamas because the very act of the ban itself and the basis behind it is anything but Buddhist in nature or principle and thus, will naturally push away more and more qualified lamas away from the CTA, somehow or rather, either by death or they keep trickling into Shar Ganden and Serpom or somewhere else in the world where the ban cannot reach.
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Thanks for sharing the news and relieved to know that Kyabje Ling Rinpoche is safe now after such a deadly car accident. It is great to have Khadro-la who reached in time to do the necessary so that the Kyabje Ling Rinpoche is saved. It must be the Dharma Protector is helping.
I too agreed to the saying that Kyabje Ling Rinpoche manifested this accident in order to clear the bad karma of those attending HH Dalai Lama teachings. I think the bad karma largely would be caused by some of them banning Dorje Shugden and harming the Dorje Shugden practitioners.
Would really hope one day all Dorje Shugden practitioners would be able to hear the teaching of HH Dalai Lama too.
There could be another reason to why the accident manifested - as a very clear warning that whatever it is that is being imposed on Ling Rinpoche with regards to the Dorje Shugden ban may cause the CTA to lose Ling Rinpoche. If they keep up with the ban, sooner or later they will lose all their lineage Lamas because the very act of the ban itself and the basis behind it is anything but Buddhist in nature or principle and thus, will naturally push away more and more qualified lamas away from the CTA, somehow or rather, either by death or they keep trickling into Shar Ganden and Serpom or somewhere else in the world where the ban cannot reach.
lotus1.... We can still listen to the teachings and read books by His Holiness... we just cannot attend his teachings because we're just evil... doesn't matter if we study Buddhism... we're just practicing "evil". Actually to be very honest, and no disrespect to His Holiness or anyone... if you got your own Guru... why do you need to attend any other Guru's teachings unless you Guru himself instructed you to do so.
The sad part is not so much we cannot attend His Holiness teachings, the sad part is the actually hypocritical discrimination which we see is aggressively and at times violently carried out on pro-Dalai Lama practitioners... who basically threw away all their teachings of compassion and kindness so well taught and represented by His Holiness. Maybe they did not learn or hear much in those teachings... hence no Dharma went in. So they were there just to look at His Holiness, like looking at some (famous pop star of theirs, they sure are huge fans) and get some "good luck" blessings... hence they are not there for Dharma knowledge and practice... that is why they treat others badly.
So Ling's Rinpoche's accident, perhaps was to absorb this negative state of mind of theirs, where by they are like a "closed cup"... whatever you present and wish to pour in them... nothing goes in... they only hear the negative stuff.
Ensapa... I don't think the CTA themselves will last very long after His Holiness passes sorry... they probably create the karma for themselves to dissolve as for pushing all the Gurus away... I suppose. But some of them are not Gelugs so it won't concern them if it was not a Gelug Lama... however it creates the causes for them to also not be able to receive teachings "like close cup" from any Lama or have a "wrong view". I heard a saying once, the danger of Dharma being destroyed are actually from those within. So there you have it...
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The articles been posted here: www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/ling-rinpoche-in-car-accident-out-of-danger/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/ling-rinpoche-in-car-accident-out-of-danger/)
So because Ling Rinpoche was in an accident, he couldnt make it to the Jangchub Lamrim teachings. Okay so that accounts for one of the Dalai Lamas teachers. What happened to his other guru Trijang Rinpoche? How come he wasnt there?
Weird how the Dalai Lamas teachers dont really show up at his teachings (or not that Ive heard of anyway, I have a tendency not to notice these things). And I wouldve guessed that these set of teachings came from them since their like the foundation of the monastic curriculum. Hmmm not very auspcious eh that the one who gave the Dalai Lama these teachings couldnt make it himself.
(Edit: just found this. I was right, Ling Rinpoche did give the teachings to His Holiness, and he couldnt make hmmm http://www.jangchuplamrim.org/jangchup-lamrim/lamrim-lineage/ (http://www.jangchuplamrim.org/jangchup-lamrim/lamrim-lineage/))
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The articles been posted here: [url=http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/ling-rinpoche-in-car-accident-out-of-danger/]www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/ling-rinpoche-in-car-accident-out-of-danger/[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/ling-rinpoche-in-car-accident-out-of-danger/[/url])
So because Ling Rinpoche was in an accident, he couldnt make it to the Jangchub Lamrim teachings. Okay so that accounts for one of the Dalai Lamas teachers. What happened to his other guru Trijang Rinpoche? How come he wasnt there?
Weird how the Dalai Lamas teachers dont really show up at his teachings (or not that Ive heard of anyway, I have a tendency not to notice these things). And I wouldve guessed that these set of teachings came from them since their like the foundation of the monastic curriculum. Hmmm not very auspcious eh that the one who gave the Dalai Lama these teachings couldnt make it himself.
(Edit: just found this. I was right, Ling Rinpoche did give the teachings to His Holiness, and he couldnt make hmmm [url]http://www.jangchuplamrim.org/jangchup-lamrim/lamrim-lineage/[/url] ([url]http://www.jangchuplamrim.org/jangchup-lamrim/lamrim-lineage/[/url]))
From that angle, perhaps it is a sign to HHDL that the ban does have karmic repercussions. Ling Rinpoche is forced to comply with the ban even though in his previous life he was a very strong proponent of Dorje Shugden as he perhaps, would want to remain in the monastery to benefit more people. perhaps the car accident is a wake up call for HHDL and his camp that the whole ban against Dorje Shugden is creating negative karma, and those negative karma are slowly surfacing and causing more and more obstacles for lamas to manifest teachings and the like. HHDL not having Ling Rinpoche and Trijang Rinpoche around must be quite lonely in some way, or perhaps, it is how he deals with what happened to Reting Rinpoche?
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The articles been posted here: [url=http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/ling-rinpoche-in-car-accident-out-of-danger/]www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/ling-rinpoche-in-car-accident-out-of-danger/[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/ling-rinpoche-in-car-accident-out-of-danger/[/url])
So because Ling Rinpoche was in an accident, he couldnt make it to the Jangchub Lamrim teachings. Okay so that accounts for one of the Dalai Lamas teachers. What happened to his other guru Trijang Rinpoche? How come he wasnt there?
Weird how the Dalai Lamas teachers dont really show up at his teachings (or not that Ive heard of anyway, I have a tendency not to notice these things). And I wouldve guessed that these set of teachings came from them since their like the foundation of the monastic curriculum. Hmmm not very auspcious eh that the one who gave the Dalai Lama these teachings couldnt make it himself.
(Edit: just found this. I was right, Ling Rinpoche did give the teachings to His Holiness, and he couldnt make hmmm [url]http://www.jangchuplamrim.org/jangchup-lamrim/lamrim-lineage/[/url] ([url]http://www.jangchuplamrim.org/jangchup-lamrim/lamrim-lineage/[/url]))
From that angle, perhaps it is a sign to HHDL that the ban does have karmic repercussions. Ling Rinpoche is forced to comply with the ban even though in his previous life he was a very strong proponent of Dorje Shugden as he perhaps, would want to remain in the monastery to benefit more people. perhaps the car accident is a wake up call for HHDL and his camp that the whole ban against Dorje Shugden is creating negative karma, and those negative karma are slowly surfacing and causing more and more obstacles for lamas to manifest teachings and the like. HHDL not having Ling Rinpoche and Trijang Rinpoche around must be quite lonely in some way, or perhaps, it is how he deals with what happened to Reting Rinpoche?
I dont know about this loneliness thing. I know sometimes our lamas talk about loneliness but its different from when a layperson talks about loneliness. When we talk about loneliness, we are referring to a loneliness that arises from selfishness - *I* have no one with me so *I* am unhappy.
But when lamas talk about it, I think its from the perspective of being in a barbaric environment. Why should the Dalai Lama feel lonely? He lives in Dharamsala, the current epicentre of Tibetan Buddhism. If everyone in Dharamsala is supposedly practising the Dharma and following the Dalai Lamas instructions to not practise Dorje Shugden, then it can hardly be considered a barbaric environment. So why should the Dalai Lama feel lonely?
Then theres the other matter of the Dalai Lama engineering this whole situation. I dont think its correct to say that the Dalai Lama is lonely without Trijang Rinpoche or Ling Rinpoche. Why should he? He planned the whole thing. He planned the ban. He planned it so that he couldnt see his teachers. And even if he is manifesting loneliness and its sad for him that he cant be with his teachers, hes "suffering" this for us. I mean, this IS the Dalai Lama, Im quite sure His Holiness knows how to practise tonglen...!
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I dont know about this loneliness thing. I know sometimes our lamas talk about loneliness but its different from when a layperson talks about loneliness. When we talk about loneliness, we are referring to a loneliness that arises from selfishness - *I* have no one with me so *I* am unhappy.
But when lamas talk about it, I think its from the perspective of being in a barbaric environment. Why should the Dalai Lama feel lonely? He lives in Dharamsala, the current epicentre of Tibetan Buddhism. If everyone in Dharamsala is supposedly practising the Dharma and following the Dalai Lamas instructions to not practise Dorje Shugden, then it can hardly be considered a barbaric environment. So why should the Dalai Lama feel lonely?
Then theres the other matter of the Dalai Lama engineering this whole situation. I dont think its correct to say that the Dalai Lama is lonely without Trijang Rinpoche or Ling Rinpoche. Why should he? He planned the whole thing. He planned the ban. He planned it so that he couldnt see his teachers. And even if he is manifesting loneliness and its sad for him that he cant be with his teachers, hes "suffering" this for us. I mean, this IS the Dalai Lama, Im quite sure His Holiness knows how to practise tonglen...!
it's more of a rhetorical theory that the Dalai Lama without his Lamas is 'lonely'. It's not to say that he is really lonely in any way, but just as a theory of sorts of how someone deals with not having their Lamas around. Obviously the Dalai Lama would miss his Gurus in some way or form, especially Reting Rinpoche where he said was like a father to him. To have his own government drive away his own Gurus must be quite a saddening experience...and also to have his very first Guru killed and imprisoned right below his living quarters is not exactly an experience id consider good.
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From that angle, perhaps it is a sign to HHDL that the ban does have karmic repercussions. Ling Rinpoche is forced to comply with the ban even though in his previous life he was a very strong proponent of Dorje Shugden as he perhaps, would want to remain in the monastery to benefit more people. perhaps the car accident is a wake up call for HHDL and his camp that the whole ban against Dorje Shugden is creating negative karma, and those negative karma are slowly surfacing and causing more and more obstacles for lamas to manifest teachings and the like. HHDL not having Ling Rinpoche and Trijang Rinpoche around must be quite lonely in some way, or perhaps, it is how he deals with what happened to Reting Rinpoche?
Ensapa,
How do you make the connection from the accident to the ban on HHDL? I don't quite follow your train of thought. How does Ling Rinpoche getting into accident has got anything to do by being a wake up call for the Dalai Lama? I agree that there's a lot negativities generated but I really don't see the connection. I am sure the Dalai Lama is aware of the karmic repercussions and he is willing to face it since he has a particular purpose behind enforcing it. However, I do not understand what you meant when you said towards the end about "what happened to Reting Rinpoche?"
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The articles been posted here: [url=http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/ling-rinpoche-in-car-accident-out-of-danger/]www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/ling-rinpoche-in-car-accident-out-of-danger/[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/ling-rinpoche-in-car-accident-out-of-danger/[/url])
So because Ling Rinpoche was in an accident, he couldnt make it to the Jangchub Lamrim teachings. Okay so that accounts for one of the Dalai Lamas teachers. What happened to his other guru Trijang Rinpoche? How come he wasnt there?
Weird how the Dalai Lamas teachers dont really show up at his teachings (or not that Ive heard of anyway, I have a tendency not to notice these things). And I wouldve guessed that these set of teachings came from them since their like the foundation of the monastic curriculum. Hmmm not very auspcious eh that the one who gave the Dalai Lama these teachings couldnt make it himself.
(Edit: just found this. I was right, Ling Rinpoche did give the teachings to His Holiness, and he couldnt make hmmm [url]http://www.jangchuplamrim.org/jangchup-lamrim/lamrim-lineage/[/url] ([url]http://www.jangchuplamrim.org/jangchup-lamrim/lamrim-lineage/[/url]))
Interestin observation DD... Now that you said... it's frightening to think that the reasons for Ling's Rinpoche's accident could be due to "broken samaya" by HHDL??? Could it be so... no... it couldn't (not for Bodhisattva Chenrezig). So why couldn't Ling Rinpoche attend the teachings and had to experience this tragic accident.... the curious mind questions.
If I understand karma correctly, this would be the consequence result of all the disharmony, schism, seperation caused by the Ban. Now perhaps HHDL imposed the Ban but I am most certain He did not instruct His fanatical followers to attack Gurus, High Lama's home, throw rocks and fire to burn them and such violent aggression. So the act of HHDL's followers surely must have huge negative karma returning back like the wheel of sharp weapons.. no one can escape this. And I believe HHDL prbably knows that He implemented this for a bigger scheme of things, and would accept His own consequence for the sake of all sentient beings... would this be logical, I wonder???
Just like the story of Buddha on a ship who thru his clairvoyant ability could see a murderer was on board to kill and rob when all is asleep. Hence he killed the murderer on the ship to save many lives as well as the murderer's negative karma from doing such an act. However, Buddha still has to face his consequence to be born in hell for a short period of time.... that was the risk and selfless sacrifice he made. Could this be similar with HHDL and the Ban...hmmmm.. certainly food for thought!
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Ensapa,
How do you make the connection from the accident to the ban on HHDL? I don't quite follow your train of thought. How does Ling Rinpoche getting into accident has got anything to do by being a wake up call for the Dalai Lama? I agree that there's a lot negativities generated but I really don't see the connection. I am sure the Dalai Lama is aware of the karmic repercussions and he is willing to face it since he has a particular purpose behind enforcing it. However, I do not understand what you meant when you said towards the end about "what happened to Reting Rinpoche?"
Lets look at all of the Dalai Lama's teachers: Ling Rinpoche, Trijang Rinpoche and Reting Rinpoche. There is a common thread in all 3 of them: The CTA does not like the at all. Reting Rinpoche was killed, Trijang Rinpoche was threatened and Ling Rinpoche has to be very careful about his actions to not attract any unwanted attention. Why is the CTA attacking all of the Dalai Lama's Gurus? Reting Rinpoche is MIA, Trijang Rinpoche is far, far away from the Dalai Lama and look what almost happened to Ling Rinpoche. Do you see a pattern now with this? This is what I kind of mean.
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Ensapa,
How do you make the connection from the accident to the ban on HHDL? I don't quite follow your train of thought. How does Ling Rinpoche getting into accident has got anything to do by being a wake up call for the Dalai Lama? I agree that there's a lot negativities generated but I really don't see the connection. I am sure the Dalai Lama is aware of the karmic repercussions and he is willing to face it since he has a particular purpose behind enforcing it. However, I do not understand what you meant when you said towards the end about "what happened to Reting Rinpoche?"
Lets look at all of the Dalai Lama's teachers: Ling Rinpoche, Trijang Rinpoche and Reting Rinpoche. There is a common thread in all 3 of them: The CTA does not like the at all. Reting Rinpoche was killed, Trijang Rinpoche was threatened and Ling Rinpoche has to be very careful about his actions to not attract any unwanted attention. Why is the CTA attacking all of the Dalai Lama's Gurus? Reting Rinpoche is MIA, Trijang Rinpoche is far, far away from the Dalai Lama and look what almost happened to Ling Rinpoche. Do you see a pattern now with this? This is what I kind of mean.
Ensapa,
Sorry? What's the connection again? By the way, Ling Rinpoche has no problems with CTA because he doesn't practice Dorje Shugden. At least that's what he openly says that is. So, I still don't get what you are talking about. Reting Rinpoche passed away a long time ago and if you are talking about this life, CTA is not recognizing him because of the suppose crimes he committed in his previous life. It would be easier if you make a clearer connection or are you talking about something mystical because I am really not getting it. Sorry, I am not trying to find fault but I really don't get it. If anybody reading this gets what the connection Ensapa is talking about, please do help to explain because it sounds pretty intriguing.
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I heard the latest news that although Ling Rinpoche is 'Out of Danger' the accident which he had had was really bad and he was seriously injured. Ling Rinpoche is seriously injured from the hip to both of his legs. He is now in Goa recuperating but really not well. Please send your prayers to Ling Rinpoche so he may recover swiftly and once again be able to benefit many beings. May Ling Rinpoche live long.
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A month after a near fatal accident Ling Rinpoche is now out of bed in a wheelchair. He broke his right leg, and dislocated and broke his left hip one month ago. Rinpoche is making wonderful progress.
His Holiness reminds us, "When we have inner peace, we can be at peace with those around us. When our community is in a state of peace, it can share that peace with neighboring communities and so on. When we feel love and kindness toward others, it not only makes others feel loved and cared for, but it helps us also to develop inner happiness and peace." His Holiness' cold has now resolved. Emaho! from Facebook
I saw this on one of my Facebook friends' page and I though I share this hear to let everybody know the good news that Kyabje Ling Rinpoche is way on his road to recovery. I am not sure if the injuries to his leg and hips is reversible or not. Anyway, it is all kind of strange that Kyabje Ling Rinpoche, who was sponsoring the teachings could not make it. I wonder if Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche was also asked to sponsor the Dalai Lama's teachings. From the news, it is obvious that he didn't but I am just wondering if they asked him. Perhaps, the stipulations was that they give up Dorje Shugden practice. Anyway, I am sorry but it is rather ill omen and perhaps Kyabje Ling Rinpoche was absorbing something more than just the obstacle of the participants of the teachings.
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I saw this on one of my Facebook friends' page and I though I share this hear to let everybody know the good news that Kyabje Ling Rinpoche is way on his road to recovery. I am not sure if the injuries to his leg and hips is reversible or not. Anyway, it is all kind of strange that Kyabje Ling Rinpoche, who was sponsoring the teachings could not make it. I wonder if Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche was also asked to sponsor the Dalai Lama's teachings. From the news, it is obvious that he didn't but I am just wondering if they asked him. Perhaps, the stipulations was that they give up Dorje Shugden practice. Anyway, I am sorry but it is rather ill omen and perhaps Kyabje Ling Rinpoche was absorbing something more than just the obstacle of the participants of the teachings.
I am not sure if it can be considered as in inauspicious sign at the same time as well, because i have not heard of something of this nature to have happened before. Yeah, perhaps Ling Rinpoche is absorbing the obstacles and negative karma of the people who will be receiving those teachings so that the Dharma will go into them deeper...it is really noble of Ling Rinpoche to do so as a broken leg will heal but it would still affect his mobility even after the healing. I really do hope that Ling Rinpoche's actions would bear fruit and that the people attending the teachings actually transform. I am really happy to see Ling Rinpoche recovering so fast as well :) may his Dharma works grow much more
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I saw this on one of my Facebook friends' page and I though I share this hear to let everybody know the good news that Kyabje Ling Rinpoche is way on his road to recovery. I am not sure if the injuries to his leg and hips is reversible or not. Anyway, it is all kind of strange that Kyabje Ling Rinpoche, who was sponsoring the teachings could not make it. I wonder if Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche was also asked to sponsor the Dalai Lama's teachings. From the news, it is obvious that he didn't but I am just wondering if they asked him. Perhaps, the stipulations was that they give up Dorje Shugden practice. Anyway, I am sorry but it is rather ill omen and perhaps Kyabje Ling Rinpoche was absorbing something more than just the obstacle of the participants of the teachings.
I am not sure if it can be considered as in inauspicious sign at the same time as well, because i have not heard of something of this nature to have happened before. Yeah, perhaps Ling Rinpoche is absorbing the obstacles and negative karma of the people who will be receiving those teachings so that the Dharma will go into them deeper...it is really noble of Ling Rinpoche to do so as a broken leg will heal but it would still affect his mobility even after the healing. I really do hope that Ling Rinpoche's actions would bear fruit and that the people attending the teachings actually transform. I am really happy to see Ling Rinpoche recovering so fast as well :) may his Dharma works grow much more
Yeah isn't it strange that the Gurus of His Holiness the Dalai Lama (Ling Rinpoche and Trijang Rinpoche) both could not attend the Dalai Lama's teachings. And Ling Rinpoche had to go through such a horrific accident? I am sure these "Enlightened minds knows what's going on and what will be happening before it even happens. So it is kind of an ill omen i reckon.
I hope from this accident, His Holiness will do something in regards to His relationships with His Gurus. I am sure His Holiness is not unreasonable, so hopefully ties between His Gurus especially Trijang Rinpoche becomes better, and discrimination towards Dorje Shugden practitioners, the BAN be stopped. It seems pretty disrespectful, disgusting, unheard off and totally wrong to be threatening one's Guru's life, livelihood and activities like CTA have been threatening Trijang Rinpoche and many other high Lama's lives directly or indirectly and chasing them out of their own Labrang and giving them conditions. WHO on earth do they think they are???
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Yeah isn't it strange that the Gurus of His Holiness the Dalai Lama (Ling Rinpoche and Trijang Rinpoche) both could not attend the Dalai Lama's teachings. And Ling Rinpoche had to go through such a horrific accident? I am sure these "Enlightened minds knows what's going on and what will be happening before it even happens. So it is kind of an ill omen i reckon.
I hope from this accident, His Holiness will do something in regards to His relationships with His Gurus. I am sure His Holiness is not unreasonable, so hopefully ties between His Gurus especially Trijang Rinpoche becomes better, and discrimination towards Dorje Shugden practitioners, the BAN be stopped. It seems pretty disrespectful, disgusting, unheard off and totally wrong to be threatening one's Guru's life, livelihood and activities like CTA have been threatening Trijang Rinpoche and many other high Lama's lives directly or indirectly and chasing them out of their own Labrang and giving them conditions. WHO on earth do they think they are???
To me, could it be a small crack in HHDL's samaya? But if that was true then his teachings and his pujas will have no effect at all. But having Trijang Rinpoche distance himself from CTA and the Dalai Lama, and disrobing and taking up a wife to me shows that he is extremely unhappy with the Dalai Lama's actions of the Dorje Shugden ban because Trijang Rinpoche could always have left Dharamsala, and resume being a monk in Geshe Rabten's center in Switzerland or go to Serkong Tritul's center in taiwan and still be a monk. That is what it shows to me. On another parallel, Lama Osel manifesting as a regular spanish teenager instead of a Lama also shows his disapproval on the state of affairs in FPMT...
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From the photograph in the newspaper clipping, it certainly looks like a very serious accident. It is so sad to know the driver of the car was killed in the accident. However, I am also very relieved to read Ling Rinpoche was rescued out of the wreck together with two other monks and given medical attention. It is just too bad that Ling Rinpoche and Trijang Rinpoche could not be present at the Jangchup Lamrim teachings. I am of the opinion that these are the signs that Ling Rinpoche is absorbing the negative karma of people attending such a great dharma teaching.
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Yeah isn't it strange that the Gurus of His Holiness the Dalai Lama (Ling Rinpoche and Trijang Rinpoche) both could not attend the Dalai Lama's teachings. And Ling Rinpoche had to go through such a horrific accident? I am sure these "Enlightened minds knows what's going on and what will be happening before it even happens. So it is kind of an ill omen i reckon.
I hope from this accident, His Holiness will do something in regards to His relationships with His Gurus. I am sure His Holiness is not unreasonable, so hopefully ties between His Gurus especially Trijang Rinpoche becomes better, and discrimination towards Dorje Shugden practitioners, the BAN be stopped. It seems pretty disrespectful, disgusting, unheard off and totally wrong to be threatening one's Guru's life, livelihood and activities like CTA have been threatening Trijang Rinpoche and many other high Lama's lives directly or indirectly and chasing them out of their own Labrang and giving them conditions. WHO on earth do they think they are???
To me, could it be a small crack in HHDL's samaya? But if that was true then his teachings and his pujas will have no effect at all. But having Trijang Rinpoche distance himself from CTA and the Dalai Lama, and disrobing and taking up a wife to me shows that he is extremely unhappy with the Dalai Lama's actions of the Dorje Shugden ban because Trijang Rinpoche could always have left Dharamsala, and resume being a monk in Geshe Rabten's center in Switzerland or go to Serkong Tritul's center in taiwan and still be a monk. That is what it shows to me. On another parallel, Lama Osel manifesting as a regular spanish teenager instead of a Lama also shows his disapproval on the state of affairs in FPMT...
Ensapa,
I find your deductions of the situation on HHDL's samaya with his Gurus and also the events surrounding Ling Rinpoche, Trijang Rinpoche and Reting Rinpoche in connection to the Ban, quite interesting. Like Big Uncle said the connections you deduce do not seem clear. However after reading how you have further explained, I think that your deductions are very much based on the karmic and in-between the lines points.
It is like you are saying the the total karmic accumulations manifesting in these unforeseen traumatic incidents. I have to say I can believe what you are saying. The Ban enforced by HHDL is now having the negative accumulated karma and inflicting upon others like Ling Rinpoche.
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Dear All,
I found this pic of Ling Rinpoche by chance on FB and would like to share with you guys. Seems like Ling Rinpoche is doing well on the road to recovery.
I hope Ling Rinpoche recovers and will be back on track with his studies and mature to be who he is soon.
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Just wanted to share this image with everyone. Since the last update from Harry when Ling Rinpoche was still in a wheelchair, Ling Rinpoche is apparently now doing much better after his car accident. He is now able to move around on his own two feet (albeit with the aid of crutches). And look who that is visiting him... the Karmapa ;)
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Just wanted to share this image with everyone. Since the last update from Harry when Ling Rinpoche was still in a wheelchair, Ling Rinpoche is apparently now doing much better after his car accident. He is now able to move around on his own two feet (albeit with the aid of crutches). And look who that is visiting him... the Karmapa ;)
This is nice. It shows how anti sectarian Gelug lamas really is. So many people have been saying how sectarian Dorje Shugden practitioners are, but look at this picture. But anyways, the 16th Karmapa is known to be pro Shugden and also Ling Rinpoche's previous incarnation practiced Dorje Shugden for his whole life. It is only natural that he would continue this practice in this current lifetime and perhaps, secretly, behind closed doors like so many other Shugden Lamas are doing right now in Dharamsala because Dorje Shugden's practice is a tantric practice and is not meant to be showed to others.
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Gelug Lamas are not sectarian period. If Ling Rinpoche was sectarian why would the holy Karmapa visit or be associated with him?
The Karmapa has already spoken and given the prophecy that one day everyone will be worshipping Dorje Shugden, and as Ensapa quoted Ling Dorje Chang has practiced all his previous life what more do we want?
In his current incarnation I have not heard Ling Rinpoche saying anything untoward towards Dorje Shugden, one can only either for or against, if he is against why not vehemently say as he feels and be open about it. Everyone related to the CTA seems to open about how they feel about Dorje Shugden.
Nevertheless happy to see Ling Dorje Chang is saved from a potential death and will be carrying on the spread of buddha dharma more and more.
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Gelug Lamas are not sectarian period. If Ling Rinpoche was sectarian why would the holy Karmapa visit or be associated with him?
The Karmapa has already spoken and given the prophecy that one day everyone will be worshipping Dorje Shugden, and as Ensapa quoted Ling Dorje Chang has practiced all his previous life what more do we want?
In his current incarnation I have not heard Ling Rinpoche saying anything untoward towards Dorje Shugden, one can only either for or against, if he is against why not vehemently say as he feels and be open about it. Everyone related to the CTA seems to open about how they feel about Dorje Shugden.
Nevertheless happy to see Ling Dorje Chang is saved from a potential death and will be carrying on the spread of buddha dharma more and more.
Personally, i feel that people in general should keep quiet about speaking against Dorje Shugden until they know what is going on. I like Ling Rinpoche's example on not being anti Shugden just to get the Dalai Lama's favor or due to insecurity or whatever. He shows us courage and fearlessness of doing the right thing and not falling on a political side of things and/or damaging others just to get into someone's good side. It is something that we should all take note of and learn from and apply in our daily lives.
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I am most happy to know that H.E. the 7th Ling Rinpoche is recovering well from the accident and will be able to turn the wheel of dharma to benefit many. H.E. Ling Rinpoche began his monastic studies at Drepung Monastery in south India at the age of 10 and has since been engaged in rigorous religious study and spiritual training. He is expected to soon receive his Geshe degree, equivalent to doctorate in philosophy, from Drepung Monastery within the next few years.
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I am most happy to know that H.E. the 7th Ling Rinpoche is recovering well from the accident and will be able to turn the wheel of dharma to benefit many. H.E. Ling Rinpoche began his monastic studies at Drepung Monastery in south India at the age of 10 and has since been engaged in rigorous religious study and spiritual training. He is expected to soon receive his Geshe degree, equivalent to doctorate in philosophy, from Drepung Monastery within the next few years.
Wow it is quite amazing to know that Ling Rinpoche started his studies at such a young and tender age. I am sure that he will be able to rise up to become a great Lama like his previous incarnations very soon. I cannot wait for that day to come as both him and Trijang Rinpoche were the Dalai Lama's Gurus. I hope that Ling Rinpoche would receive his Geshe degree soon so that he can benefit many more people with the Geshe degree as many people are quite superficial and they would look at things like degrees to judge a Dharma teacher these days. I cant wait for Ling Rinpoche to come out and teach!